Muslim Rage at Military Parade: An Ominous Sign for UK
It is truly beyond the realm of belief, but on March 11 this happened in Luton, England: two British citizens were arrested by the police because they dared protest against a crowd of foul-mouthed Muslim demonstrators who had assembled to shout hate slogans at a parade of British soldiers. In the word “demonstrators” we find “demon,” and the behavior of the young British-born Muslims, accompanied by a crowd of women in burqas, was demonic. Instead of apprehending the abusive radicals, whom some in Britain would regard as fifth-columnists, the police set about arresting two army parade supporters whose rage was, in the view of the nation, well placed.
As my esteemed colleague Ruth Dudley-Edwards observes in the Telegraph of March 11 and as I said in my article “This Shameful Ranting Must Stop,” the British government’s “pandering” to Islamic radicals has to be brought to an end. At the March 11 rally the Muslim protesters shouted abuse at the parade by the 2nd Battalion Royal Anglian Regiment, recently back from Iraq, and carried posters covered in incendiary slogans: “Anglian Soldiers: Cowards, Killers”; “Muslims Rise Against British Oppression”; “Butchers of Basra.” Outraged residents of Luton began to shout counter-abuse at the Muslims as the soldiers marched by and two non-Muslims were arrested. The radicals were allowed to continue unhindered. This hideous scene was all the more unsettling to Britons because of the deaths of two soldiers and a policeman on duty in Northern Ireland in the same week, responsibility for which was attributed to two terror splinter groups, the Real IRA and the Continuity IRA.
During the height of the al-Aqsa Intifada in 2002, Rachel Ehrenfeld pointed out: “Students of terrorism can easily trace the IRA’s connections to the PLO and its numerous factions back to the 1970s and 1980s, when IRA and PLO operatives trained together in Libya and the Bekaa Valley. Today, IRA involvement is ongoing in Colombia, where al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, and Islamic Jihad factions … are engaged in illegal arms and drug trafficking and money-laundering.”
She asserts that if Western governments would understand the peril of major international radical movements “we might then have a better chance to win the war on terrorism.”
The fact that the IRA is raising its ugly head again in the same timeframe as the angry protests against British military personnel in mainland Britain is worrying. One Muslim protester, Sayful Islam, leader of a group based in Luton, warned the media that this was just the tip of the iceberg. He told the Evening Standard that “the parade was the final insult. They have killed, maimed, and raped thousands. … They can’t come here and parade where there is such a Muslim community.”
The British government refers to Luton as a “magnet” for radicals; it is the hometown of Aftab Manzoor and Afzal Munir, who joined the Taliban and perished in Afghanistan. Luton was the hub of activity for the fertilizer bombers convicted in May 2007 and collectively sentenced to 95 years in prison; their ringleader, known as “Q,” was a Luton taxi driver with an interesting sideline in exporting personnel, money, and supplies to radical fighters in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Why Luton? It was the base of extremist imam Omar Bakri, known as the Tottenham ayatollah and now in exile in Lebanon. He is blamed for radicalizing scores of young British Muslims with his London School of Sharia, which he operates by video link. In the days following the protest, the organizers have been telling the media that there will be many more rallies whenever and wherever British soldiers may parade.
The fact is that Britain loves the Islamists, yes — they LOVE them — because the Brits and the Islamists have the same enemy — the Jews.
Britain will tolerate the Jihadis, including their bombs, their hatred, and their Sharia Law if they do what Hitler was unable to do — make Britain Judenrein.
Eric R, that is nonsense and you know it. If you haven’t got a brain, keep your trap shut.
What happened in Luton is appalling but the interesting thing is that the ordinary British people know what’s going on; they are not fooled. The Muslim scum who ‘bravely’ shouted their lies and insults from behind a wall of protecting police – the same police they despise – saw that ordinary Brits can be aroused. On youtube, there was at least one video of them moving away under police escort as the crowd grew angrier.
The muslims know that deep down despite their bluster, when push comes to shove they are going to be shoved hard. They won’t like it, and they will wail and bleat as they always do. But the British population is under no illusions about the threat these people pose. There are many people of many religions who don’t want what Islam offers; it isn’t just Jews but also Christians and Sikhs and Buddhists and even those who want to follow Wicca. Those who prefer to be atheist or agnostic sure don’t want any of it either, and every free woman should stand and say no to wife-beatings, forced marriages, genital mutilation and a second-class role as merely breeders of more dissatisfied males.
The UK politicians may talk about ‘social cohesion’ but even they know that no matter how much they give to these ridiculous people, the muslims will still try to slap the nation in the face. The politicians are merely trying to keep the lid on it, because eventually it will boil over. It might take another cowardly attack on innocent passengers, or some atrocity against shoppers (and God forbid that either of those happen) but the people will react.
Luton was a sign that these barbaric people are not on the side of the nation that supplies them with benefits and free medical care. It was also the first tangible sign that they aren’t going to find it easy in the future to get what they want.
My main concern is that the police showed quite clearly whose side they are on. If that is not addressed there may come a point where the average citizen believes that the police are the enemy, and if that happens then things will become very unpleasant very quickly.
The police were fortunate on this day, as with the amount of anger in that crowd I would not have been surprised to see them turn on the police.
When will the great mass of Britons finally say enough? Their media (even more than ours) is hijacked by the PC Uebermensch. Their healthcare is compromised by the dictatorship of the petty gubment workers. It seems the only institutions that hold some sort of national pride are the Military and Police. Otherwise? It’s almost as bad as this self loathing displayed by the Germans at least they have a rationale (with WW2 ). The Brits? Why this self hate? Why this urgent desire for failure and dimunition? We should be looking hard at what is going on there and say to ourselves “no”, before we start sliding down that slippery slope (which our current leadership seems focused upon).
The people will react, says Brita? With what? Hands and feet? Crockery? Insults? So sorry about that, but the “people” have long been stripped of the means to react. I am afraid that you will just have to accept what is and what will be.
England is leading the west down the drain!
All read LONDONISTAN, by Melanie Phillips.
This is what happens when LIBERAL MULTICULTURALISM and MORAL RELATIVISM meet.
Sad to see the once Great Britian fall, and it was all an inside job.
Radar
The Brits will continue to do nothing. If they actually identified the true cause of the problem and worked to solve it despite the flood of crocodile tears, they might seem too “American” and we can’t have that. They’ve sold their precious birthright for the pleasure of turning up their noses at us. How proud they must be.
Wghat was lacking in crowd’s anger was the political/propganda reply. The people whop are calkling assassins and rapers found OK? for Talibans to massacre Hazaras at Hezrat, they found OK the rapes perpetrated by the Pakistani army in Bangladesh just like they found OK the murders and sadistic rapes by the GIA in Algeria. Wherever they go Islamists rape and perpetrate the most unspeakable atrocities and they have the gall to call others (who don’t do such things mudrerers and rapers. It was s missed opportunity to expose their lies and hypocrisy.
Sadly, it has once again become fashionable in England and Europe to be openly anti-Semitic. What can you expect, though, from a country that kicked a man to the curb after having saved their country and now have edited him from their History books?
Obama wants to be like England. Jolly!!
There are many people of many religions who don’t want what Islam offers; it isn’t just Jews but also Christians and Sikhs and Buddhists and even those who want to follow Wicca. Those who prefer to be atheist or agnostic sure don’t want any of it either, and every free woman should stand and say no to wife-beatings, forced marriages, genital mutilation and a second-class role as merely breeders of more dissatisfied males.
You could have shortened this by saying no one but Muslims wants what Islam offers. But the issue is not what people want but what price are non-Islamists prepared to pay to end the Islamist march to domination.
The price of elegant leadership. America under Obama is following Britain’s lead of trying to appease Islamists.
Brita, I disagree with you. As in that old song by The Kinks, there’s no England anymore.
In the future, the jihadists are going to get what they want and more on a silver platter.
In England, they will not teach about the crusades or the Holocaust because it offends Muslims. No Hot Cross Buns served at the hospital, it offends Muslims. No more piggy banks, they offend Muslims. Geert Wilders is barred from the country for inciting racial hatred, but stark raving mad jihadists can enter at will and spout their hatred without fear of deportation. The Anglican bishop welcomes Shariah Law. Two counter-protestors at the army homecoming are arrested. Recently, an English schoolgirl was taken by her principal to a police station, fingerprinted and photographed for a “racial offense”. It seems she did not want to be in a study group with a bunch of Pakistanis who were talking in their own language and ignoring her.
England is doomed. Its people are sheep, controlled by a government of left wing, PC multiculti elitists who would throw you in jail for a racial offense quicker than you could organize a resistance. It would be easier to organize a resistance in the height of Nazi Germany than in today’s PC Europe of Muslim agitators and their white bootlickers.
I’d like to say this is unbelievable but I can’t. Alas. England is like a rape victim providing its own petroleum jelly. Relax this won’t hurt a bit.
The first line of the piece is what is hard to believe, “It is truly beyond the realm of belief….”
This frightening situation is completely believable and has been predicted by many based on the continuum of England’s decisions and fear-based collapse to Islamists over the past few years.
Completely believable.
We have our own growing problems here in America, but, still, it is hard to watch the mother country, with a glittering history of more than a thousand years of daring, courage, strong will, scholarship and achievement–source of so much that was good and glorious—destroy itself from within in an orgy of stupidity, cowardice and fecklessness, and offer itself up to be torn apart and eaten by a bunch of yelping mangy hyenas; to be conquered without a shot by raving, semi-literate Muslim fanatics. But that is what they are doing.
All of the mainstream political parties in the UK are useless and, in fact, are greasing the skids, as once proud Britannia slides under the waves. It seems like the odious BNP is the only party that is willing to fight—although this willingness to defend the rights of indigenous British citizens is obviously only a route by which this apparently Marxist-Leninist group seeks to gain power. Be that as it may, if the BNP is the only party that has the balls to fight, I say let them fight—the fever that breaks the infection–and woe to the Muslims in the UK.
Unfortunately, the only way to change the British government is to force them to fear Englishmen more than Muslims. Sure they are calm, restrained people these days – it wasn’t always that way. Maybe a return of a little old school English medieval bloodlust is in order. The descendants of Celtic, Roman, Saxon, and Viking warriors should not be pushed too hard.
First Jordan, then England. Is the USA next?
What worries me is what America’s going to do, when Britain goes completely jihadi, and becomes a security threat. It’s already a center for terrorism, and the British, both high and low, have allowed that to happen, with little concern for the rest of the world.
A link for British/Islamic terrorism: http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-womili0414,0,4237102.story
We don’t play well together do we? History is full of migrations, forced or otherwise, mingling of peoples and then, Bam! genocide or forced removal. Most of us are capable of getting along but the power-players like to keep us on our toes.
Longshanks ran the Jews out.
The Americans ran the Indians out.
The Greeks ran the Turks out.
The Turks ran the Greeks out.
Mithridates ran the Romans out.
The Soviets moved everybody around for good measure.
Add your example here _________.
Whenever and wherever you look in History, expulsion or murder. But not today: We don’t do that anymore you see, at least not in the west.
Democracies, by their very nature, like to mix things up, encourage commingling even, which is cool but seems to go against the grain of some of our co-inhabitants. In the U.S. interracial marriages have been on a steep slope up for a time now. This upsets people like Luis Farrakhan (our home-grown Muslim here in the U.S.) and some good ol’ boys down south but most of us living in democracies would agree that people can hang out with whomever they want (hopefully not ‘hang with’). What business is it of anybodies anyway?
Anyway, present day democracies are a new experiment in government. Will past History hold true or will we finally learn to live together?
The reason the Muslim power players are repelled by life in democracies is that they don’t want to be swallowed up by all this mingleing. They are afraid. They have three choices. They can fight to make the place where they live the way they want it, they can conform (they can’t impose Shari on their separate population in a democracy, can’t hold women down, can’t throw rocks at people, just can’t) or they can go back to where they came from. Time will tell. I’m thinking the hard cases should just go.
The people you see are the minority; the rest you see will shut up and do as told.
Most of the people you see will also shut up or move.
Of that portion that moves I’m afraid they will be disappointed.
Old Soldier—the point is that one would think that the average British native has, in effect, been assaulted in a myriad of ways, seen his culture, traditions, Christian religion and ways to life showered with insults and increasingly silenced, discarded and displaced by Muslim barbarities, been attacked, spit on, threatened, had his rights to self-defense, free speech and free travel curtailed–while Muslims, largely untouched by the law–roam free, march through London with signs saying “Behead All Who Insult Islam,” plot terror, preach hatred of unbelievers and spread the Jihad, seen reports of thousands of women subjected to forced genital mutilation, reports of hundreds more all over the UK killed in “honor” killings—that British authorities ignore, seen Muslim men’s multiple wives get welfare benefits, and Muslim Imams—who constantly preach hatred of the Infidel–and their families game the British social welfare for homes and incomes, so they don’t have to work but can spread the Jihad, seen British police afraid to enforce British law in Muslim “no-go” areas and yet, individual British natives have reacted hardly at all; a few protest leaflets handed out, a few hundred anti-Shari’a marchers in London the other day, and, a few months ago, a pig head rolled into a Mosque; that’s it, and in two of the incidents mentioned the English protestor was charged.
It seems like there is no crime, insult, insolence or outrage that Muslims in England can commit against Englishmen and England that can rouse the natives in England to anger and action. Will the spark be emboldened Muslims carrying out the traditional Qur’an and Muhammad approved beheadings, cutting off alternate hands and feet or crucifixion at cross streets in English country towns, Muslims looting, desecrating and burning down Winchester Cathedral, car bombing Parliament? What insult or outrage will be too much? Or has the fight gone completely out of England and its native people?
The West needs a big wake up call. The worst thing Bush ever said was to call Islam a religion of peace. But many in the west believe this and so are not angered by what is happening. It will take a major calamity for the West to wake up to the dangers within. Until that time we shall continue to circle the drain.
The economy is frighting enough but to think that our first line of defense against letting a radical minority take over our country is President Pork? We are truly lost. I’m thinking that when violence does once again make it to our shores, the first people called up to serve and defend should be Obama supporters. Maybe they can talk the terrorists into submission as Obama seems to want to do.
A perfect storm is brewing. In the West, we have a self-absorbed, consumer culture with the attention span of a ferret on speed, with an entitlement mentality looking for the latest government bail-out, and ever more brainwashed youths being spit out of left wing universities and taught to hate their culture and all things good about Western civilization, who are taught to be tolerant of the intolerable and non-judgmental of true evil(unless it is the magnified evil of their own country). Combine that with a bad economy, and leadership of multiculti PC elites willing to grovel before tyrants and dictators, it is only a matter of time until a conflagration of epic proportions.
Unfortunately, our leaders don’t get it. 9/11 is as passe as the last celebrity meltdown. If you talk about 9/11, you are fear-mongering or promoting islamophobia.
I am afraid that the only thing that will wake up the masses will be a major terror attack with weapons of mass destruction.
Once Obama’s programs and priorities have had their way with American taxpayers and productive citizens, I would think that he will need to create a “Praetorian Guard” to protect him from the attentions of legions of angry victims of his “Hope” and “Change.”
Thus, it is not a good move for him to propose the other day that military personnel who have been injured pay for their own care using their own insurance.
The UK is likely to see a Islamic Coup in the near future. When they let Sharia Law take over areas of the country, their complete downfall cannot be far behind.
I’m sorry to roll my eyes at this latest “The UK IS Going Down The Toilet” article, but its just silly.
First, the police were called out to protect the demonstrators from the people in that town who were understandably outraged at the muslim demonstrators–like a group of people from Iowa would be if Code Pink showed up there. But the cops had to prevent the demonstrators from being beaten up: a wounded demonstrators might make everyone grimly happy, but its not right OK?. And it would inflame the moderate muslims who were not there. So the Brit cops did the right thing, even tho I expect they wanted to pulverize the demonstrators.
Why does this piece suggest this type of thing is new? Returning Vietnam Vets were subject to spitting, hisses, called baby killers and worse. Movies pilloried them as unstable timebombs. That was by US citizens in the late 60′s and 70′s. We had the same “Ominous Signs” media reports. Not much later we elected Reagan, Bush and Bush. So much for the “ominous signs.”
Britain surely erred when their Labor governments allowed near unrestricted immigration of muslims. Unlike the hindus and Buddists, the sons of the muslim imports are angry: not at the benefits their families got and get, not at the impeccable fairness of the Brits to them, but at anything that is not islamic. The Brits failed to properly assimilate these people and we are letting the same problem happen here.
Fortunately, we have more people and more space, but the problem is notably more acute in urban areas like Minnesota where somalis have settled in large numbers (after being brought here for reason I’ll never understand–couldn’t we have brought in some Danes or Brits or more people from mexico? None of them have religious hang ups). But now one state wants to subsidize msulim housing; colleges ahve instituted footwashers for muslim students and “women only” hours in the gym. So you can bring your “Ominous signs” routine to the US right now.
The brits are doing what they can to assimilate the angry muslims as fast as possible or isolate them. Lets hope we do as well over the next ten years.
So far I am putting my money on the Islamists. 70 years of self-repudiation of English history is now in the marrow of British society. They cannot speak of the own history or values without either a tongue in cheek or chin on breast. The Islamists are merely kicking down a rotten door. The media and academic crowds will not permit the emergence of a nationalism that allows the
Brits to feel something positive about being British.
The self-hatred felt by the British is a little more contained in the U.S. Our pragmatic streak blunts the
force of academic nonsense here, but not for want of
trying. How sad that we invent multi-culturalism so
that the majority culture must feel shame, and the
minority cultures are licensed to feel scorn.
The reality is that jihadists have a lot of time. Bin Ladin has made it clear that the islamic goal is to be accomplished over decades if not centuries. And many in the West are complicit in that aim with their belief that all cultures are equal and that the future of countries like Britain and the US and all of Europe for that matter is linked with a multiculturalism that will supplant what we used to call patriotism. The common law will move over and make room for sharia. And when the full consequences of a booming islamic birth rate combines with zero birth rate for Europe’s whites, the curtain will fall on what remains of Western Civilization.
“Why does this piece suggest this type of thing is new? Returning Vietnam Vets were subject to spitting, hisses, called baby killers and worse. Movies pilloried them as unstable timebombs. That was by US citizens in the late 60’s and 70’s. We had the same “Ominous Signs” media reports. Not much later we elected Reagan, Bush and Bush. So much for the “ominous signs.”
The difference being the internet, international jihadist
networks, Saudi money, jihadist rap, academic support, increased western self-hatred, encroaching Sharia, a weaponless British public, multi-culturally-endorsed shame, and crumbling British self-confidence, among many factors.
LONG LIVE GREAT BRITAIN….I mourn her passing into the mists of time along with other civilizations that have allowed their core beliefs, faith and sense of national identity die. My ancestors left England in the 1880′s and I fear that unless an English renaissance…enforced this time with the bayonet and hot lead, then the land of Shakespeare, Elizabeth, and the many cultural icons that have blessed the Island will…die. Search out the Muslim infidels, citizen or not, deport them for make war on them. Without the willingness to fight as their ancestors did, England will further evolve into a giant Sharia guided, Kabob stand.
I see that Blackwell still believes quite a few myths that make it a lot easier to believe the UK is not slowly being eaten alive from inside by Muslims.
First, is the “moderate Muslim” crap. As someone said, “While there may be moderate Muslims, there is no moderate Islam.” Moderate Muslims are those Muslims who do not really know the core doctrines of Islam, or who do, but have not yet decided to do their duty and go on Jihad against unbelievers. The day I see a massive march by thousands of such “moderate Muslims,” parading through London protesting Islamic terror and terrorists and renouncing those parts of the Qur’an that foster hatred of all unbelievers, terror, conquest and domination i.e. the majority of the Qur’an, is the day I will believe that the moderate Muslims are any more real than unicorns.
Next, is the talk of the failure of British society to “assimilate” Muslims who, most of them, do not want to assimilate, but dominate. Look and listen to Muslim Imams speeches on line at MEMRI.com, hunt up British channel 4’s video expose of what Imams preach in British mosques, then tell me about “moderate Muslims” and their attempts to peacefully integrate into British society.
As for police “protecting” the Muslims who were hurling insults at returning British troops, the police—had they been doing their job–should have been disbursing them or even arresting them and checking those arrested to see if they were “immigrants,” here on the sufferance of the British government, with summary deportation if they were.
This should actually be seen as good news, IMO – something of a possible turning point:
- It was a tiny group of protestors.
- There was more or less universal disgust at the protesters.
- The leader (I forget his name) was invited to appear on the BBC to make his point, opposite a very respected retired army commander. He was allowed to make his point, and was very politely but effectively rebutted. The BBC presenter additionaly made it clear that his views were ridiculous.
- The leader has just recently been arrested for soliciting money for jihadists.
First the population loses its faith but that works for a while because the first generation of nonbelievers still has their Judeo-Christian values intact. They can live a secular life secure in the belief that they still can live moral lives.
But then their children, if they choose to have them grow up rudderless in a secular environment and fall into moral relativism. They become prey to all the current passions, unconcerned with the future and live perpetual adolescent lives. If you don’t believe in a future then you are not likely to have children. After all, aren’t children a vote for faith in the future?
Their children’s children don’t exist and society faces demographic collapse. People must be imported to fill the needs of the shrinking but elderly population. In Europe the imports are from aggressive Muslim countries who view themselves as colonists taking over the land. They will inherit the land of the grandparents.
Thus goes England and much of Europe.
We are a bit more fortunate in that as we abandon faith and are population begins to contract we will fill the land with Latinos. They might not wish to carry our way of life but they are Christians and America will never descent to the medieval levels that are Europe’s destiny.
“Why does this piece suggest this type of thing is new? Returning Vietnam Vets were subject to spitting, hisses, called baby killers and worse. Movies pilloried them as unstable timebombs. That was by US citizens in the late 60’s and 70’s.”
The people who screamed and spit at returning troops didn’t go anywhere. They didn’t die out or change their minds. They just started their long march through the institutions.
Brita – if the British people (sans Muslims) are, indeed, fed up, why do they keep electing these Islam-coddling politicians? You ran the one politician that I could see facing up to the Islamist threat with a clear eye out of town, and elected a mealy-mouthed grey man to replace him.
I really really wonder what the hell you think an unarmed, unrepresented British people are going to be able to do to save themselves, unless they take up pitchforks and white sheets and start burning these bad boys out in the middle of the night.
Certainly none of England’s laws nor infrastructure nor power elite are on the side of the ordinary English tea drinker.
Well, at least the chief jihadist – Anjem Choudary – of this Luton rage is now investigated by the police over Mujahideen fundraising.
Why people don’t seem to believe what the jihadists keep on telling us is beyond my comprehension. Their goal is stated in the Quran, demonstrated in every Islamic country and Muslim community around the world. What is there to figure out anymore? I doubt there ever will be a sign ominous enough to wake people up.
The Muslims want to dominate the world, and my money is on them.
Locke:
“The difference being the internet, international jihadist networks, [USSR sponsored cells],Saudi money,[Russian money] jihadist rap, [The Who-"American Woman";]academic support,[Jane Fonda, Angela Davis, Cornell '69, etc] increased western self-hatred [France pulls from NATO, Canada allows our draft dodgers to stay, Peace Marches], encroaching Sharia,[encroaching USSR] a weaponless British public,[the Warren court, gun control act 1968] multi-culturally-endorsed shame [white guilt, college professors trashing the US], and crumbling British self-confidence [US puls out of Vietnam; the book "The Decline of The West" issues in the 60's], among many factors.”
Oh dear Oh dear. Speaking as a Brit, my government’s limp-wristed accomodations with domestic radical Islam depress me. So does the foam-flecked hysteria displayed by the commentators on this site.
The facts of the situation are easy to uncover. There were 20 Islamist demonstrators in Luton, who were howled down by the crowds greeting the troops. To make things up to the soldiers, the town council had the parade repeated two days later. It went off without incident. A similar parade was held in Bolton (which has a sizeable Muslim population) the following week. There were no demonstrators at all. We are hardly talking about the Turkish hordes at the gates of Vienna.
As regards the “they-breed-like-rabbits-and-will-make-your-wife-wear-a-bhurka” point, it is simply nonsense. Reputable demographers, of which Mark Steyn is not one, predict that Europe’s Muslim population will peak at 10% in 2020. Indeed, this is the figure quoted by Daniel Pipes who is hardly the man to downplay an Islamist threat.
We in Britain are well protected by (1) the skill and diligence of our security services (2) the fact that the majority of British Muslims (though not nearly enough) neither condone, fund nor participate in terror tactics and (3) the almost comical Laurel and Hardy inepitude of the Islamists themselves: one managed to incinerate himself while attempting to kill passengers at Glasgow Airport.
In short, we have plenty to guard against but little to fear. Fear leads to fascism – and yes, I’m talking about you “Dr. Mark”!
Mr. Blackwell. It is customary in reader comment sections to trash a fellow writer. I can only say to you Good & Valid Points, Sir! It still remains beyond my understanding to see how Britain will assimilate
these types, based on another critical difference. While
the 60s counter-culture came from within the same family,
the jihadists are not from the Western family and do not
even share our most basic social and religious conceptions
of things.
This is the condition we find ourselves in: Antonio Gramsci’s project of implanting in the West the Marxist consciousness has been succeeding. His adage to build the “long march through the institutions” has been taken up by several generations of young academics and activists. Their first target, which is the one that Gramsci put right in the bulls eye, is Christianity. Destroy it. Replace it with moral relativism, such that we become a society that is unable to believe in itself anymore. Even though the formal structure of Communism in the Soviet Union and in Eastern Europe has collapsed, the cultural Marxism of Gramsci continues. In fact, Yuri Andropov and Mikhail Gorbachev were practitioners of Gramsci’s theories. Long after their country and its empire have fallen, the destruction of Western Civilization is moving along quite nicely.
Parallel to this suicidalism in the West, enabled by multiculturalism (itself a product of cultural Marxism), the minions of Allah are pouring through the cracks in our defenses. They are biding their time for the moment when our societies no longer have the energy or faith to defend themselves.
This process is more advanced in Britain than it is in the U.S. But it is certainly beginning here and the next four years are going to accelerate this process. I do not think the non-Muslims of the U.K. have a prayer’s chance of stopping it. They are disarmed and their government is complicit in the process of suicidalism. The British people have no way of fighting back or defending themselves. We, on the other hand, still have a chance as long as we ferociously defend our 1st and 2nd Amendment rights. But if our government or the U.N. can impose disarmament of the population, it’s all over. Western Civilization is finished. Then the curtain falls and Darkness descends upon history.
A simple plan would be to ban the burqa. Round up any woman wearing one and have them spend the night in jail, and have a hefty fine to get her out. Tunisia has banned the burqa, and it effectively discourages any extremist from remaining in the country.
Surely something about hiding your identity being a threat to the community could justify such a law. Here in America you cannot enter a bank wearing a mask. Also, polygamy must be outlawed and strictly enforced. That would cause many to leave. Instead you are encouraging the practice by giving benefits to each wife!
45 – wouldn’t a burqa ban be unconstitutional under the first amendment?!
Paul Casey–”As a Brit,” you are a perfect example of they type of “whistling past the graveyard” that is going to result in the destruction of Britain in the next decade or two. By all means sit back, order another pint of bitter at your local pub, pretend you don’t see it when the guys in their kuffiyehs pass by, and pretend everything is under control, everything is just swell in “Merry Old England.” The problem is, if you are wrong, it will be too late to turn back and, in fact, absent a violent internal conflict, it is probably too late to turn back already.
The 20 Islamist dimwits protesting in Luton inspired 6000 Brits to wave flags in support of the troops in the town of Lincoln:
THIS was the British people’s defiant response yesterday to sickening attacks on our soldier heroes.
In a moving demonstration of the bulldog spirit, the biggest crowd since VE Day poured into a city centre to stand shoulder-to-shoulder in support of the nation’s armed forces.
The overwhelming outpouring of unity at the homecoming parade for the 2nd Battalion the Royal Anglian Regiment was prompted by shameful taunts from Islamic extremists.
The fanatics had tried to hijack a welcome-home march earlier this week, denouncing the brave troops as “criminals, murderers and terrorists”.
We shouldn’t confuse the British people with the malign, Saudi-loving weasels in the British government. Britain is still a democracy, and it has to (eventually) listen to what the people say.
If they can support their own rights with the same defiance and ferocity that they showed in support of the troops in Lincoln, Britain will be better off.
Dear Wolla, old boy. What exactly do you think is going to happen in Britain in “the next decade or two” – I presume you have a theory? Given that the proportion of Muslims in the population is 3% and will never exceed exceed 10% (even on Pipes’ figures) it is unlikely that you would ever see a guy in a kuffiyeh from your average local pub (i’ve not outside London), let alone be troubled by anything so distressing as a Mahdi army raising the black flag of Islam over Buckingham Palace.
I am the first to be irritated by the latest PC concession and the first to concede that we have considerable, and self-inflicted, problems with radicalised youths. These are, however, self-made problems that can be self-corrected.
However, it is simply a fantasy, without basis other than dodgy demographics and a gutteral (if understandable) urge to “take them on”, to suppose that we are about to be “taken over”.
So, the lesson for Britain is: vote Conservative (not great, but the best bet), cause a stink when a looney-left council bans Christmas (these silly decisions are usually reversed, especially when the all-powerful Daily Mail gets involved) and order another pint of room temperature bitter.
Lock: touche.
Mr. Paul Casey There were 20 Islamist demonstrators in Luton, who were howled down by the crowds greeting the troops.
There were 19 terrorists that brought down the Twin Towers, Flight 93 and dug a hole into the Pentagon. Their attack has cost us hundreds of billions and thousands of lives. Sir, majority is not enough!
As to your security services … they do have an excellent history, but what good is it to have a few good men when they are prohibited to go after the Islamists?
Your Muslim population is exploding and more are imported. In 30 years, says one study, Russia will be a Muslim-majority country with thousands of nuclear weapons. Muslims will take over Oslo in a few years, and Malmo is practically theirs. How long does it take for Muslims to conquer France? Iranian press was happy to announce yesterday that Israel is only 75% Jewish anymore. The numbers are transforming in every western country, and not for the better as much as the appeasers would love to convince us.
Wherever the Muslims land, crime follows. There are cities in Finland where 75% of rapes are committed by ‘immigrants.” The same applies to Sweden, Norway, Netherlands, etc. Minneapolis is growing terrorist!
But, in every western country the conservative party that opposes unconstrained immigration is winning. Wilders of Holland is an excellent example, as is Norwegian Jensen. That is people talking loud and clear. Why aren’t the government listening is beyond me.
Do we still have time to turn things around?
all religion aside the author carol gould did a lousy piece her. all she has done is say two brits (and i guess we assume she means actual white native brits) she does not say why they were arrested. did they get physical verbally or manually. over there it doesn’t take much to be considered rowdy these days. all the extra stuff has nothing to do with the story. i only hope that our brothers in arms and the basis for most of our country reach down and grab themselves out of this stupid fairness funk they have slipped into since ww1. sooner or later they have to stand for something and this ain’t it. they are going to drown if they don’t get their proper noses down.
Lock
What Blackwell said!
What I ment to write, was the poor misunderstood Muslims. It is the religion of peace you know.
Sarc/off
Paul Casey — that supercilious “old boy” bs lost you your empire. And in case you hadn’t noticed, nose sunk deeply in your pint as you’ve undoubtedly been your entire life, it was the fathers, uncles and brothers of the posters on this site who saved your country’s bacon in the last TWO world wars, and then sunk tons and tons of American taxpayer monies into protecting your skanky asses because you were too bankrupt to do it for yourselves.
IF we tell you that we’re very ocncerned about the hole you’ve dug for yourselves and IF we tell you we don’t want to have to save you from your folly again, you’d best tug your forelock with humility, bow and say, “yessir.”
“…wouldn’t a burqa ban be unconstitutional under the first amendment?!”
Small minds never seem to comprehend that the American Constitution *is* amendable; i.e., changeable (possibly because said small minds never seem to have Constitutions of their very own).
Hence the title “Amendment”. Therefore, if a majority of voters in a democracy want to vote that burqa’s are especially prohibited under the First Amendment, then it *can* be changed to reflect that democratic desire.
Stupid
Smart
Ass
Yawn. La Gould is at it again.
Eric R, that is nonsense and you know it. If you haven’t got a brain, keep your trap shut.
Read about the history of Jew-hatred in Britain. Starting with the blood libel and massacres in Norwich, through the 400-year expulsion, to the Moseley fascists, to Britain keeping Jews out of Palestine, thus condemning them to Nazi ovens (and flying over Auschwitz without bombing it), to doing everything it could to keep Shoah survivors out of Israel, then arming the Arabs to help destroy it, to the modern Leftist/Islamist assault on Jews today, so amply documented by Carol Gould, by Melanie Phillips, and Richard Littlejohn, among others.
The problem for you, my dear, is that I have a brain, and can figure out from that history exactly what Britain wants from Jews — their ultimate deaths.
Paul Casey–As a matter of fact, I was in London a few weeks before the Tube Bombings and passed though the very stations that were bombed. I was amazed to find that the area around the British Museum did feature people dressed in kuffiyas, and looked more like Peshawar that the England I remembered from a trip decades ago.
I noticed all the boarded up and for sale churches all over Scotland and Wales, too, and our guide told us that some of the empty churches we passed by in London–their English parishioners fled–had been turned into “cultural and welcome centers” for Muslim “immigrants” who now occupied their neighborhoods.
Finally, if you do not see or hear the roar of the Muslim tsunami approaching, then I cannot help you to see or hear it.
Is the UK ready for a military coup? Short of that, they will not have the guts to fight for their rights against Islam.
If they do not fight ferociously against Islam and boot it out of the UK and then outlaw its practice, inertia will bring Islam back like a cancer.
Islam is unique among major religions in that it seeks to conquer by force, not persuasion.
It must be outlawed to have hope to be free of its tyranny.
Betcha that rump boil George Galloway was hanging with the islamic protesters, booing the troops.
Where’s Monty Python when you need them?
This is as silly as any of their skits.
Where’s Sir Richard Burton and studs like the one’s who fought in the Poor Bloody Infantry in W.W.1?
Where’s the Clockwork Orange gang and their ilk when you need them? They’d stifle these loud mouth jihadis with a vigorous chorus of ‘singing in the rain’
Labour won’t rethink anything; they hate the UK, they hate western values, and they are doing this on purpose in order to destroy them. They are allied with the Muslims, because they think the Muslims are the first wave in world revolution against the evil capitalists.
Bits and pieces:
NahnCee: Like most British people, I am deeply grateful for the service and sacrifice of the young American men who fought with us in the Two World Wars. The American Airforce Cemetary outside Cambridge is one of the most moving places in all England. However, the “we saved your butts” line is certainly untrue of WW1 (the German Spring offence had been repulsed by the time that American troops became available in large numbers in mid-1918) and only partially true of WWII: although Britain could not have won the war without the USA (though neither could have won without the Russians), Britain had saved itself from invasion by its victory in the Battle of Britain which was fought at a time when the United States Government was sending nothing more useful than its best wishes. So let’s celebrate our alliance and not descend to abuse.
On the subject of which, are you seriously a proponent of amendmending the US constitution to…forbid a form of women’s clothing? And isn’t an amendment awfully difficult to get: both houses of Congress and 2/3 of the States. Don’t see it happening this side of Ramadan 3009.
Wolla Dalbo: I think I pointed out that one is likely to encounter Muslims in London. There are also, in heavy immigrant areas, churches that have been converted to mosques (and also to synagogues and Hindu Temples for that matter). There has also been “white flight” from poor inner city areas. So what? If you want to convince me (against my lying eyes) thatthere’s a “Muslim Tsunami” show some statistics to demonstrate this. The plural of anecdote is not data.
Britan,has taken away the guns and other means to defend the ordinary Brit citizens, but they don’t seem to be interested in removing the guns, bombs, and poison gas from the African and Arab islamic population. When the day of reckoning comes what few White Brits left will i am afraid will be on the loosing side because the police will defend islam all the way
Paul Casey
I can’t find a Daniel Pipes article, or any article for what it matters, that says that the muslim population will
never exceed 10%. It also seems rather a silly statement to make without a clairvoyant.
The latest Daniel Pipes article is very short and refers to a timesonline article. The timesonline article
refers to a ‘Labour force survey’ which ‘surveyed’ 53,000 homes in order to estimate the muslim
population of the country.
The timesonline article does highlight that the muslim population is increasing 10 times faster than the
rest of society.
Daniel Pipes, when asked, estimates that Europe has a 2.5% chance of peacefully integrating its muslim
population without a war. That’s a 1 in 40 chance. I put it that way incase your maths are as sparkling as
your logic.
Britain is importing benefit claimants. People who don’t want to work, don’t like Christianity, don’t like our
culture, don’t like our lifestyles, don’t like our language, food, drink, entertainment, politics, foreign policy,
inhabitants. They don’t like us one bit (a bit like you in some ways).
Britain is importing people who don’t want to integrate but want to dominate.
They’re not coming by accident but by a torrent of policies that give them first call on homes, benefits,
healthcare, benefits for multiple wives and large families etc. and if they’re still inclined to work, jobs too.
Britain is being lined up for total destruction.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2009/01/uk-muslim-population-surges.html
Let’s get the snide remarks out of the way first:
(1) Haven’t employed any logic, as far as I know (there’s a good saying that a rigorous logician is only one assumption away from the madhouse) (2) Isn’t Mr. Pipes’ 2.5% assessment an example of clairvoyance? What, I wonder, were his variables? (3) you will meet very few people who like British food and (4) I am a fervent supporter of the West and the UK-USA alliance (see above) and have a corresponding disdain for Islam and its cut-throat thief of a prophet.
All beside the point, however. Since I’ve asked for an explanation of how the imminent apocalypse is projected to happen, and been presented with none, I’ll tell you why I think it won’t. The UK Muslim population is around 3% – for comparison, the US popuation is around 2% natice american. Their reproducton rate is higher than the rest of the population (though the ten times’ faster bit includes immigration/conversion, the former of which is now in decline). Whether or not that is a continuing trend is an open question (for comparison, most of the Islamic states of the Maghreb, plus Iran – which surprised me – have sub-replacement rate fertility). In any event, the majority of that population is in the lowest income bracket (if they are even in work) and the lowest educational bracket – hence the inability, save for 7/7, to pull off an even moderately competent terror attack. An all conquering tribal force they are emphatically not.
I’m not wedded to all of this, so if you can spell out a credible road map to downfall, please do so.
I should have said, in the spirit of fair play, that you got me on the Pipes’ 10% figure. Read it a week or two ago in a print article that I can no longer recall.
Paul Casey:
Are you the Paul Casey who occasionally visits the United States to play golf? Just wondering.
Firstly,do people know that London is not the whole of the U.K?
I do not live in Liverpoolstan.
Terrorists do not have to kill to achieve terror.
The U.S. may fear all muslim’s,we don’t.
You are giving them to much power and relevance and sound scared.
Let them protest,because it show’s what d***heads they are.
As we speak the newspaper’s are digging for dirt and anything else that show’s the hypocrisy of some muslims.
Photo’s of the leader in uni drinking ,having porn around and sleeping with white women has already appeared-so we can laugh at them.
I agree that the P.C world here is a problem but disagree on what action’s are needed.
We have had a 30year terrorist campain,mistakes were made and we have to learn from it.
Just because we didn’t fire bomb Pakistan following 7/7 does not mean it is not taken seriously.
There is no military solution, like the I.R.A threat we gained more through intelligence(fisher’s of men).
It’s from these informers that yields helpful information.
This is shared with the U.S.
I encourage Americans to stop reading the daily mail because the ignorance of what’s happening here is astounding.
Eric R: “The problem for you, my dear, is that I have a brain”
The amount of gray-matter is debatable, but rest assured I am not your dear. However, thanks for the offer.
I am aware of the horrors inflicted on Jews in my country; it wasn’t very clever and it was (for the most part) a long time ago when people were pretty intolerant of a religion that supposedly murdered Jesus. However the Muslims would like to take us back to those times – if not before that – and given the choice between demonising the Jewish faith and suffering endlessly under Islam, my theory is sooner or later we Brits will grow more restless about the latter.
As for voting the muslim-admiring politicos back into office, there is increasingly less and less NuLab drones being voted back in, though equally I confess that until the Tories get a spine the choice between the Brownian wibble-rousers and the Camerons isn’t appealing. That makes the next general election here harder to call, though most people have had enough of the venality and incompetence of our current “leaders”
Mags the I.R.A. and wahabi style terrorist’s are apples and oranges.The I.R.A. wanted to change their society and the radical muslims want that society destroyed.How many I.R.A. attacks were suicide missions?If you had nearly 3,000 dead in one attack your tune might be different.
Mags the ira and muslim radicals are apples and oranges.The ira wanted to change their society,the radicals want that society destroyed.How many ira attacks were suicide missions?If Britain had lost nearly 3,000 in one attack your attitude might be different.
71 – if only. I wouldn’t be at work right now.
Anonymous/Venham,
Is it only terrorism when Americans die?
Terrorist groups all help eachother. Guess who invented the road side bomb?
They nearly killed Thatcher,but managed to kill other ministers.
There was a morter attack on Downing St when John Major was there.
Killed members of the Royle family, got caught trying to target Princess Diana.
On remembrance sunday blew up a church service killing many old soldiers.
Members of the I.R.A were willing to die for ‘the cause’.If they blew themselves up when making or planting bombs they became martyr’s.
10 even starved themselves to death .
They had a twist on suicide bomb. By gun point they would drag a ‘legitimate’target-this included post office workers.Anybody who works for the state.
Forced them in a van of explosive’s, strap their feet to the controls and aimed it at soldiers barracks,then detonated it.It went by the name ‘human bomb’.
We supported you on 9/11. i cried that day
‘shoulder to shoulder’ remember?
Considering that America had been funding and supporting the I.R.A and refusing to extradite wanted terrorists, that was mighty good of us.
We supported you on 9/11. i cried that day
’shoulder to shoulder’ remember?
Considering that America had been funding and supporting the I.R.A and refusing to extradite wanted terrorists, that was mighty good of us.
Well said, but it will fall on deaf – because pig-ignorant – ears.
I think when you see the broader story (presented in-part by some informed comments here) this is hardly an ominous sign for the UK, and actually demonstrates a glimmer of hope that some are willing to stand up against the radicals. If anything, the protesters inadvertently drummed up pro-Britain sentiment that may not have been mustered if it wasn’t for their offensive remarks.
I think that the image of British police standing in defense of these individuals given the circumstances is painful to see. It is painful considering that those protesters obviously hate their own country and try to smear those who pledge their life to bring her security. It would also be nice if the enforcement of British law was such that a moderate Muslim does not have to fear for their life to join the ranks who welcome the soldiers home.
I’m hoping that those guys will bring their signs to Iraq and try their protests over there. They might be surprised when Iraqis mistake them for Al Qaeda terrorists and then they’ll wish they still had those British police there to defend them.
Enoch Powell saw this coming in the 1960′s.
“Now we have the added dimension of a minority culture in Britain failing to engage with British values but instead shouting vile abuse at soldiers on parade. This is a bad omen for British social cohesion; ex-radical Ed Husain warns us there will be “much worse in years to come.”
Remember Enoch Powell? How out of the wisdom of a classicist (university professor in his ’20′s, youngest Brigadier in the Army) he was mocked and taunted?
May he rest in peace.
I live in NYC, saw the Twin Towers fall, saw people leaping from the flames, worked with Arabs who cheered Americans and Britons being murdered in the attacks…now our President is Hussein Obama. You were attacked by Muslim terrorists recently. Get smart! America first, Britain First! Stop Islamic Terrorism, and kick out your embedded scum before you are attacked again. We can’t help you because we have problems in Washington, and we are trying to save the Constitution. Fight the good fight!
The comments on this message board are a joke, infact most are simply retarded. Those predicting the fall of the UK have obviously never been here, referring to Brits as “tea drinkers” etc…
Still, it’s been fun reading through them! The American comments especially, which are definately the most retarded of the lot. I mean you guys elected George Bush TWICE! lol. Then again, maybe i’m misunderestimating you.
In UK, VIOLENT Muslim demonstrators chase police for blocks: “Cowards!” “Run!” “Run you cowards!” “Run you swine!” – Is this what brave Britishers sacrificed and died for in the world wars? They died for our freedom – a freedom which Western leaders no longer guard. With many no-go Muslim areas in the UK, Europe, Israel and India where it is too dangerous for non-Muslims to enter – we are neither safe or free.
Metropolitan Police humiliated at the hands of Muslim demonstrators in London 1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97hyDRjdXCE&NR=1
Anti-Israel demonstrators in the West support Hamas:
Hamas declares Jihad to America and Europe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQE8bf1T5H8&feature=email
The Koran demands every non-Muslim is subjugated under merciless Islamic law – pro-Islam Western leaders and the present, huge Muslim colonization of the West will achieve Islamic conquest.
In a few decades, the EU policy of massive Muslim immigration into Europe will bring to fruition the EU plan: a Muslim majority in Europe and the total destruction of Western civilization. Will the dark era of Europe’s suffering return? When Muslims ruled Eastern Europe, as a tax, one out of five non-Muslim European children were taken from Europe as slaves.
Without firing a single shot, Islam is quickly and easily conquering the Free World with the full cooperation of Western leaders.
My friend lives in Cheshire. I sent her a couple articles about what’s going on in the UK and she was amazed and angered that what’s in The Telegraph isn’t on the Beeb. After a couple weeks she asked me not to talk about it any more. It’s too upsetting. They just got a caravan and they want to concentrate on touring and getting their pensions.
The Brits’ve been on the nanny teat for so long they can’t imagine what it’s like to act like a free person.
You’ve read the angry comments in the papers after an article like the one revealing the appalling hospital conditions. But they keep voting Labor in. George Galloway? Ken Livingston? Jack Straw? Now Gordon Broon?
It’s Britainistan already, it just hasn’t been renamed on the maps yet.
New Islamist tactics in France.
http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2009/03/where-are-police.html
Brits,
Your chickens are comming home to roost. Remember the Rhodesians(colonialist Englishmen) who faught for you in two world wars and then you discarded them like trashy relatives? hmmmm?
G Garlick,
‘Your chickens are coming home to roost’
Like yours did on 9/11?
Uh-huh, mags, all those people in the Twin Towers deserved to die, because of eeeeeeeevil America, right? Because we’ve oppressed the Saudis so, they’re one of the richest nations in the world, and because we’ve poured so much money into the black hole that is Gaza; because we went to the rescue of an Islamic state in Eastern Europe, when nobody else—including their Islamic “brethren”—would help them; because we tried to help starving Moslems in Somalia. Oh, wicked, uncaring, America! We just shoulda nuked Israel for the Islamic world, right?
Because I’m thinking that’s the only way the Moslem world is ever going to love us, and stop blaming us for all their problems.
(At least for a week, or so. Then they’ll start demanding we stop supporting India, or help them with their jihad in the Philippines).
Then they’d love us!
And, by the way, mags, I despise the IRA, and have always opposed supporting it. So please, don’t try pulling the reverse bullshit; it terrorism is wrong, it’s wrong with Americans, Brits, Israelis, etc. So take your roosting chickens, and shove ‘em where the sun don’t shine.
Try getting mad at your own leaders, instead of the US.
TalkinKamel,
I was baiting you because nobody deserves to be terrorised.
However if you believe that your foreign policy
will not bring blowback then you have problems.
Overthrowing a democratic government in Iran replacing with a brutal dictator,train the violent police.
Shoot down a civilian plane in Iran.
Give Saddam the WMD to use on the Kurds and the Iranian people.
Kill nearly 1 million children in Iraq with sanction’s and claim it is worth it.
Illegally invade Iraq causing millions to be displaced and killed.
I am pleased that you despire the I.R.A but your politicans didn’t and they represented you and i don’t recall Americans condemning your fellow Americans actions.Even when they were having drinks called ‘car bomb’ and ‘kill a Brit’.
On this thread Americans are talking crap about what is going on here.
Myself and others have tried to explain that to posters.
Why do you dismiss these facts? Do they really believe Americans know more about whats going on then we do ,who live here,how arrogant is that.
Ignorance isn’t the problem it’s the illusion of knowledge.
TALKINKAMEL,
I was baiting you because nobody deserves act’s of terrorism.
Do you know your own foreign policy? Any idea how many countries the U.S has bombed and interferred with?
If you think you can do want you want around the world and not incite hatred then you have a problem.
Overthrowing democracy in Iran,re-installing a brutal dictator.Weapons to Saddam to use on the Kurds.
Weapons to Saddam to use on Iranian civilians.
Shoot down Iranian civilian plane.
A million children die from sanctions in Iraq,but there deaths are ‘worth it’.
Vietnam,millions dead and displaced in Iraq.
Arming Israel to use chemical weapons in the most densly populated area of the world,depleted uranium causing fetal abnormalities and cancer.
I could go on and on.I am pleased that you don’t agree with the I.R.A’S actions.
Many did in the U.S including political leaders.
I don’t remember many condemning the support given or the practice of having drinks called ‘kill a brit’, and ‘carbomb’.
On this thread,many Americans have decided to tell us whats they think is going on here in the U.K.
Myself and others have tried to explain the reality,with no avail.
Do you really believe you all know more about our country and seem unwilling to go in to any depth.
Ignorance isn’t the problem it’s the illusion of knowledge.