Muslim ‘No-Go Areas’ in Britain? Just Go There!
In February this year, Christian evangelists Arthur Cunningham and Joseph Abraham were doing what Christian evangelists do: handing out Bible extracts. They were stopped by a representative of the law, threatened with arrest if they carried on preaching in “a Muslim area,” and warned that they might get beaten up if they came back.
Where did this incident take place? Saudi Arabia, Iran, or Pakistan, where Christian preaching is forbidden and apostates persecuted? No, this “Muslim area” was in Alum Rock, Birmingham, England. That’s right — England, cradle of free speech; England, a country with an established, if enfeebled, Church, and where seventy-five percent of citizens (at the 2001 census) describe themselves as Christian. The man who stopped the evangelists, calling their preaching a “hate crime,” was Naeem Naguthney, a police community support officer (PCSO), and a Muslim. Granted, a PCSO is not a full police officer, and has only limited powers of law enforcement. But which law was he enforcing? It looks suspiciously like Sharia.
This is not the first time an English “Muslim area” has hit the news. In 2006, Muslim preacher Abu Izzadeen expressed outrage that then-Home Secretary John Reid was visiting “a Muslim area”: East London. Yet when the bishop of Rochester recently warned that Britain was developing Muslim no-go areas, he was denounced by Muslims as — what else? — Islamophobic. Many non-Muslims joined in the condemnation. Others argued that the no-go areas were ideological, rather than literal, but this argument rather misses the point: Islam is, and always has been, territorial.
The choice of words — “Muslim area” — is significant. Non-Muslims are not merely told that their behavior might upset or anger Muslims, but that they themselves are on Muslim soil, where such behavior is forbidden. As I have argued before, Islam is concerned far more with territory than with piety. Do the young Muslimahs in the picture below look pious? Or are they belligerently defending their turf?
Each niqab allowed in the workplace, each new mosque, each “hate-speech law” is, as London’s new Mayor Boris Johnson put it, “another yard of territory in the kulturkampf of modern Britain.”
Alum Rock has, in accordance with the tenets of jihad, been claimed for the Dar al-Islam. And once Islam has claimed an area, that area cannot be taken back without a fight. So, are we going to give them a fight? And fight not only the enemy, but those who appear to have sided with them: West Midlands Police?
West Midlands Police have not apologized, and instead of sacking Naguthney immediately, they have merely given him training on the nature of “hate crimes.” Such craven appeasement of Muslims is not unprecedented: it was the West Midlands Police force which tried to prosecute Channel 4, whose excellent TV documentary Undercover Mosque revealed the open sedition and hatred of the West preached in our mosques. That prosecution failed, but for now West Midlands Police must be seen as accomplices, albeit perhaps unwitting, in the jihad against our country.
Mr. Cunningham and Mr. Abraham have fired the first shots in the counter-jihad: they are demanding a full and unreserved written apology from West Midlands Police, and have given notice that they regard this incident as a breach of their convention rights under the 1998 Human Rights Act. They are supported by the Christian Institute pressure group, and by Christian Voice, which plans to leaflet the area this weekend.
Outside this immediate battle, how do we fight the territorial expansion of Islam? My answer is simply not to accept that there are “no-go areas”: just go there. Libby Purves, writing recently in the London Times on the dangers of walking around London late at night, makes points that apply to all “no-go areas,” Muslim or not:
I am not foolhardy; I stay away from alleys and don’t flash jewelery. But I know parts of London in particular to be increasingly dangerous, and with growing caution comes growing rage. I will not be kept cringing indoors, not by day or night; nor should any man or woman in a free country.
It was another woman, Eleanor Roosevelt, who said: “Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission.” So we, men and women, should not grant that permission, and should not pander to the assumed superiority of those who would intimidate us, whether thugs or Muslims or both.
Turning to “Muslim no-go areas”, here is my advice: just go there. Look those niqab-clad women in the eye — it is all you can look them in — and raise a quizzical eyebrow at their alien garb.
Look with contempt at their “masters” swaggering along in jeans two steps in front of them.
Above all, just go there.
The PC pendulum isn’t ready to start swinging the other way just yet. Too many sheep lining up for slaughter and not enough sheep dogs.
The Brits have bent over backwards to make the Muslims feel at home and for that I give them credit. But, this community officer should be reprimanded or relieved of duty. That they required he receive “hate crime” training is in itself an admission of that which it was.
To some extent this is like the American separation of federal and state governments. The states were resistant to equal rights for blacks but the feds pointed their guns at them and they came around. Now look who is running for prez.
The “state” like enclave/neighborhood claimed by Muslim-Brits is theirs to operate as they please until they break British law. And stopping evangelicals from expressing their free speech rights crosses that line.
Bobby
http://idlewordship.com
Please don’t give in so easily. When they try this in the US and they try it all the time, they are met with steely resolve and a warning that there are far too few of them to make such demands. There will never be enough of them until the world ends, either. Somali’s didn’t want to pick up fares who had seeing eye dogs at Minneapolis airport or carry women or people who might be carrying liquor-people started saying-”I want any cabbie but a muslim.” The cab council said, “Pick up all fares or stop working as a cabbie.” They shut up and went back to work. They aren’t religious, they are political. They aren’t serving their rock god-they want your country. DON’T LET IT HAPPEN.
We don’t need any sheep dogs – just smarter sheep.
The liberal British polititians will lead their nation into the abbys willingly. The rank and file Brit will have to rise up, throw off the yoke of liberalism and defeat the muslims politically if they are to save their nation. Unfortunately, I think the Brits will let die 1500 yrs of shining culture and be exterminated by the barbarians under sharia. This is the return on their welcoming hospitality. In the U.S., it’s different, 90% of the people I know want to destroy I Slam before it achieves its oft stated goal of destroying us.
Ariadne,
There was no “steely resolve” in Minneapolis, the city was all ready to capitulate until bloggers made an issue of it. Universities throughout the Gopher State are installing foot basins and instituting “muslima” only hours at athletic facilities.
Minneapolis needs close attention, it is at the forefront of the campaign of the sharia brigrades and those well meaning but deluded followers of Garrison Keillor are helping it along. Generations of liberal indoctrination have left Minnesotans with a spine equivalent to the shredded carrot filled lime jello served at Lutheran picnics.
Have you ever been to these areas perchance? Its easy to say such a thing but hard to do in reality. There are places in the UK where non-Muslims are made to feel very threatened especially if they are women. Good in theory but I would recommend going in large groups.
Too bad you guys were duped into giving up your guns . . .
“From 1991 to 1995, crimes against the person in England’s inner cities increased 91 percent. And in the four years from 1997 to 2001, the rate of violent crime more than doubled. Your chances of being mugged in London are now six times greater than in New York. England’s rates of assault, robbery, and burglary are far higher than America’s, and 53 percent of English burglaries occur while occupants are at home, compared with 13 percent in the U.S., where burglars admit to fearing armed homeowners more than the police. In a United Nations study of crime in 18 developed nations published in July, England and Wales led the Western world’s crime league, with nearly 55 crimes per 100 people.
This sea change in English crime followed a sea change in government policies. Gun regulations have been part of a more general disarmament based on the proposition that people don’t need to protect themselves because society will protect them.” (from “ReasonOnline”: http://www.reason.com/news/show/28582.html accessed June 12, 2008)
I agree, go there and look upon them with contempt while they complain to your leftist PC champions of tolerance to have your visits labeled as “hate visits”. They condemned Steyn for his “subtle intellectual arguments”….may your efforts be less subtle and more effective in drawing attention to their hypocrisy.
A very good article.
Although not British, I can certainly understand why the West
Midlans Police should be investigated asap.
The police are there to uphold the law, but in this case they appear to have supressed it in order to appease ‘sensabilities’
And as the author correctly points out, Islam is much more about territory than it is about piety
Not sure I would venture into any no-go area without being accompanied by a few friends. Or perhaps, more than a few.
Gun laws. We are told by the anti gun lobby guns are the problem. The UN through its Millennium Goals wants all small arms to be confiscated from all people.
Yeah, right! First, criminals are the problem folks. Do good gun owners go bad, sure! So do car drivers, drinkers, & many others. That is no reason to disarm & give the nation over to armed criminals, who you can bet will not surrender their arms, small or otherwise.
The UN is pushing its world socialist order concept that we all embrace a one world order or government. Of course, the UN would be armed. Yeah, right! (After all, they are so pure!)
In the end, we give up rights by not standing up & refusing to do so. We give up freedoms when we allow others to break our laws & do nothing, or submit to their demands we submit to “their” law.
The author is correct that we (Great Britain,
America, & any other freedom loving nation), must stand up for our law, our rights, and not allow others to force us to obey “their law.”
Hate speech crimes, are a fool’s errand. Almost any speech could be misconstrued to be hate speech. Its all in the eye, ear, brain, of the supposedly offended.
I despise fascism, socialism, & other forms of political & social repression. But I defend the followers rights to express their love of it. The KKK message to modern society is branded as despicable as they come. BUT.. it is their right to say & believe what they want, so long as they do not try to force others to capitulate to their way of life.
I may not like what they say, but I defend their right to say it! I may not believe their philosophy, but again, I defend their right to believe what they want.
Any time we permit others to define what we can say, believe, or where we may or may not go, we surrender to those who would oppress us. Any time we give control of our lives to government, via laws, regulations, & other socio-political actions, we surrender our own personal freedoms. Some we do so for the sake of all society & rational people understand this. But, some others are deliberately designed to force us to comply to the wishes of those seeking power & wealth.
Have you ever been to these areas perchance? Its easy to say such a thing but hard to do in reality.
Yes, many times. I’ve walked around near the Finsbury Park mosque at all hours, and I’ve been to Brick Lane and the site of the proposed Mega-Mosque in East London.
Sorry, Muslims, this Brit is not easily intimidated.
Correction to your article:
The incident with the evangelists in Birmingham occurred this month, not in February. The Telegraph follows the British dating system when filing its stories: dd/mm/yy
Dom:
If you read the Telegraph article, you will find that the incident did indeed occur in February.
“The preachers, both ministers in Birmingham, were handing out leaflets on Alum Rock Road in February when they started talking to four Asian youths.”
Pious Catholic friends of mine – and their children – now lower their gaze and reverently and discreetly cross themselves when encountering in street or supermarket bearded muslims in shalwar-kameez or muslimas beshrouded like the ones in your picture. It is difficult to assess what their reaction is, of course. Till now none has given the two-finger salute back.
My friend said that their explanation – if called upon to give one by the hate-crime police – would be : Muslims aggressively assert their difference and piety by their dress as their religion commands and as the law permits; we are enjoined by our religion to show them love and respect, and this we do by protecting ourselves spiritually by the sign of the cross, and praying quietly for their conversion. (The tactic and loophole has not yet been tested in court.)
The Conquest of the West, esp: Europe is well underway.
Your leaders are clearly not going to stand up for you – stand up for yourselves – even if it means civil disobedience towards the governments institutions, and laws which facilitate the advance Islam, and in doing so have betrayed each and every one of you.
Go into the “MUSLIM” areas – glare at these bastards with contempt, and then break out in a chorus of “There alway be an England”
Remember who you are. Remember the Blitz, D-Day, Waterloo, Trafalgar, Agincourt.
Your Englishmen Goddammit – show these little SHITS just who they are dealing with!!!
Mr Blaskowicz:
In hoc signo.
Great Britain and the US are the only countries that are standing up to this stuff. It is sad to see that Britain is slipping away too. Stand up to this now before it is too late.
At some point the sheep cover will come off and we’ll see our wolves.
So muslims want “no go” areas. How about if we establish “no come” states and countries? If they don’t want to assimilate, don’t let them in our countries. I am offended by their lack of respect for all peoples and personal freedoms. Start sending out the message. No assimilation, no entry. Good riddance.
The fact that they are here in the Christian West is itself a testament to their incompetency and the failure of Islam.
Why did they move from their Muslim homelands?
Their economies are basket cases. Their governments are cesspools of corruption.
Crime and illiteracy are rampant.
If they conquer Western civilization and make it Islamic like their homelands, where then will they go to get jobs and decent health care?
The smart thing would be do go back to their native country and try to make it more like the West then they could maybe have a little of the best of both worlds.
We have been weak over the years. How often do you see a Union flag displayed? Go the US and they display their flag with pride. The police know so many mosques preach hatred yet allow the Imans to continue unheeded. Just imagine the Christian clergy preaching hatred of Islam! There would be mass police raids and churches closed. As for going into so-called Muslim enclaves,would you advise me to try, being JEWISH? I reckon my headless body would be found next day! We need to take a leaf from the Australian book. Their Ministers tell the Muslim population:’If you don’t want to live by our rules, you are free to leave.’ No suggestion of accepting Sharia Law as advocated by our own Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams.
We don’t need any sheep dogs – just smarter sheep.
No sheep, we need wolves, independent confident don’t-tread-on-me wolves. Or rattlesnakes, definitely not sheep.
Islam is 10% religion, and 90% 7th century fascist Gestapo.
Political correctness and multiculturalism deceive us into accepting the religious aspect while denying the fascist aspect.
Wake up before it is too late.
Those who want to live under Sharia law here or abroad should be put on a plane and sent back to their country of origin. Devout Muslims do not bellieve in separation of church and state, this country does. Why are we allowing these fundamentalists in?
My idea of a good Muslim is a “lapsed” Muslim. Those we must protect because your life can be threatened if you stop going to the mosque. We’re going to have to put some of these good people into witness protection programs unless we deport their tormentors. And do we still allow Wahhabi (Saudi extremist sect) Imams in this country?” We should stop now.
As a child, I read the Edward Everett Hale’ short story THE MAN WITHOUT A COUNTRY a patriotic story written during the Civil War. Its theme is truly LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT. A young naval officer, Phillip Nolan (based on a true incident) had said DAMN AMERICA during a trial and was sentenced by the Judge to a life of exile which he learns to regret. I’ve read a new version is being released this year.
I hope many people will seek out this film. And I think we all know the first person who should be exiled for saying DAMN AMERICA. His white-hating and America-hating congregation have made him a rich man (or was that from the 15 million dollars the government gave his church) Send him back to Africa.
The British are experiencing the ongoing colonization of their Country by muslims – with encouragement from the UK NuLabour gov’t as well as from the EU(SSR). The only way the EU will succeed is by obliterating every sense of the individual countries’ sense of pride, culture and heritage. Thus patriotism and cultural pride are seen as anti-multiculturalist and xenophobic. What better way to breed divisiveness than bringing in muslims who will also help with the EU planned future Eurabia? Muslim colonization in Europe/UK is not happening by chance it is well planned by the EUocrats and the lefties who seek power. These stupid loons forget that once Eurabia or a muslim majority occurs in Europe the EUocrats & other leaders will be chucked out on their ears quicker they can say “Sharia Law”.
Correction: Wikipedia was wrong. The film being released in 2008 is a Kurt Vonnegut film A MAN WITHOUT A COUNTRY which has nothing to do with the Edward Everett Hale story last made into a TV movie in the early 70′s starring Cliff Robertson and Beau Bridges.
This would be a terrific project for a film maker who loves America. It could be made inexpensively (pay at scale but with points on gross profits) and if well-made I think it would be extremely profitable, returning 20 to 100 times its investment. Perhaps more. Hollywood lefties have lost a ton of money underestimating the patriotism of the American people. And I think the public would love sticking it to Hollyweirdies by coming out for a patriotic film.
As a Brit for me they are only no-go areas because i dont want to go there, the areas they live in such as parts of Bradford, parts of Birmingham etc are shitholes, they dont live in nice areas they live in the poorest and most rundown parts of the uk.
They will never have a voice and never get too big for their boots, freedom of speech is very important to us and anybody can pretty much say anything and that goes for British Muslims also, but as a hardened nation with such a massive history we are not stupid. We are all aware of the Muslim belief of a world under Islamic law but it would be kicked into touch long before they become too much of a problem.
Our government may be useless and inept but the British public would never let it get out of control.
Its a little bit sad but since the bombings in london every eye is on anyone with middle east origin, our security force is second to none so i dont really read too much into this.
Bobby McGill:
“The Brits have bent over backwards to make the Muslims feel at home and for that I give them credit.”
It’s illegal to persecute or discriminate someone because they’re Muslim in most free countries. It’s their own problem if they don’t feel at home, not the government’s.
That broad on the left end (I assume it’s a broad, no way to be sure) ISN’T giving some weird “V for Victory” sign in honor of Sir Winston, is she?????
reply to Bob Smith!!!!
‘Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a
delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a
turd by the clean end.’
Also this “tolerance” Bull shat undermines and negates Free Speech. ELECT PEOPLE WITH BALLS instead of these Snivelling Cretons you have now or PERISH
In the 1950′s it was zip guns. Don’t know what a zip gun is? Ask any old timer and I’ll bet he can teach you how to make one and fire one. So don’t worry about the lack of guns.
Conservatives can’t stand it!
Muslims get to enforce Sharia, oppressing women, gays, and those unlike them to their heart’s content, while cnservatives have to stand by, watching Muslims get to do what they’ve always wanted to do!
Don’t be fooled by this BS, liberals have nothing in common with Muslim fundamentalists. Christian conservatives, on the other hand, have everything but the name of their faith, color of their skin, and location of their homeland on the globe, in common with them.
This is what we have learned in America, where homosexuals and women watch one hometown anti-homosexual anti-women religion wage war with a foreign anti-homosexual anti-women religion.
Neither is to be celebrated.
Separation of church and state, separation of powers, and the equality of all under the law is the brilliance of America.
“Minneapolis needs close attention, it is at the forefront of the campaign of the sharia brigrades and those well meaning but deluded followers of Garrison Keillor are helping it along. Generations of liberal indoctrination have left Minnesotans with a spine equivalent to the shredded carrot filled lime jello served at Lutheran picnics.”
I agree that Minneapolis specifically and Minnesota generally are full of well-meaning, soft-in-the-head liberal/Leftists. I used to be one of them. And yes, Keillor is one of the worst offenders.
But this is one Minnesota boy who will NEVER knuckle under to anybody who tries to take away my freedom, ESPECIALLY my first amendment freedoms. If it was Minnesota that was threatened as the UK currently is (and it could yet go that way) I would walk right down Lake Street or Nicollet Avenue or whatever area the Muslims decided was “theirs”. And since Minnesota had a brief spell of good sense and legalized concealed-carry a few years back, I’d be packing.
But lay off our carrot jello at church picnics, okay? We don’t get out much, and we’ve gotta find our distinguishing characteristics where we can. Lutefisk and Lefse certainly aren’t going to turn the trick.
FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT TO THE DEATH!!! We WILL NOT go quietly into the night!
There is a British guy who has a website where you can buy plans to build machine-gun pistols, etc., out of standard-size British plumbing parts (available at your local hardware store.)
When the Muslims finally wear out their welcome in Britain/Europe, it is going to be VERY ugly.
AR
Remind then why the rabid feminists were quiet when the Taliban was power in Afghanistan, why leftist homosexuals were quiet when Theo van Gogh was murdered by a muslim . I never heard rabid leftist feminists protest FGM in muslim countries , never protest child marriages and muslim polygamy . Gee, as a matter of fact , GayPatriot noted that the MSM was quiet about homosexuals being beaten in supposedly enlightened Europe . Why is that Mark Steyn , a conservative journalist is able to write about in his book and not a single liberal author , reporter and gay right activist follow it through . Is it because when all things are said and done , the liberals are only interested in control .
Are you guys kidding? The next US election will be the “big leap forward” into the stinking pile that the UK is currently experiencing. Our choices are between the Democommie Obama or the Demoleftie McCain – same freaking diff.
When I acquire the necessary ninja skills, I will go where no infidel has gone before.
And only then.
Sorry, but it’s too late for England. The rot is too deep, and the craven cowardice too cultivated.
The Left has successfully broken the back of the once great nation in just a few generations of relentless indoctrination by infiltrating all the essential institutions and normalizing their own civilizational suicide.
The recent rejection of Labour is the last kick of the dying body and will not be enough.
When the remaining clear thinking and worthy Brits flee I hope America gets a good share of them. Perhaps they can warn the people of their new country of what happened to their former one and it will be enough to stop us from sharing the same fate.
Of course, that is predicated on whether Obama wins or not. because if he does it’s too late for us too.
Ziggy, I think the two fingers is the British version of our middle finger, IOW = F— You. (Let a Brit explain.)
Shh, Wil.. You’ll give it all away!
After 1,000 enraged Sikhs stormed the Birmingham Repertory Theatre on December 18, 2004 — throwing eggs, smashing windows, injuring three police officers, and halting the production of the play “Behzti” — Lionel Shriver wrote in the Wall Street Journal:
The RIGHT to HAVE a belief is what must be respected in a civil society, not the silly belief itself. Thus the rioters — whose RIGHT to HAVE their silly beliefs was NOT being disrespected — had no right to violently disrespect their neighbors’ RIGHT to HAVE a somewhat different silly belief. By failing to secure these rights impartially, the civil authorities were mortally derelict in their duty. If now it is the very RIGHT OF WAY that is being disrespected, it is because your police have been rendered as useless as teats on a rock.
In 1965 the Edmund Pettus Bridge at Selma, Alabama was a “no-go” area, too, but civil rights marchers led by Martin Luther King Jr. defied it three times, and got beaten in the process. Brits may be at this point already, of nothing left to do but to overcome.
In February this year, Christian evangelists Arthur Cunningham and Joseph Abraham were doing what Christian evangelists do: handing out Bible extracts. They were stopped by a representative of the law, threatened with arrest if they carried on preaching in “a Muslim area,” and warned that they might get beaten up if they came back.
You obviously meant to say “Bible tracts” and not “Bible extracts.” This is the kind of error a non-Christian makes and it sullies an otherwise fine article.
Mary left out the most important part … where she tells us how she “went there” and when.
How about it Mary? Just when did you “go there”?
Yes, many times. I’ve walked around near the Finsbury Park mosque at all hours, and I’ve been to Brick Lane and the site of the proposed Mega-Mosque in East London.
I am impressed and well done. I meant no disrespect in that question btw. Its especially impressive to hear of woman who is willing to walk near those places. Have you ever got any abuse btw? (I have from two Muslims nr Finsbury Park tube who wanted to “kill the fucking Jew”. Irony is I am not Jewish.)
Considering folks in the UK have little right to self defense – going into “no-go” areas may be doubly dangerous.
You may go to jail if you are assaulted and attempt to defend yourself. I can see the courts showing no sympathy for the victim, claiming he was trying to be provocative by going into such an area.
I hope I’m wrong about such things, but such a scenario seems plausible based upon what I have learned from the news and from my English friends.
I am not sure about how well Brits treat Muslims. I remember one time remarking that the average Muslim in American makes more money that tne average “Native American”, first, he assumed that I was talking about Indians, when I said no, I meant people born in the US, his jaw dropped, literally.
Imagine if the US had not come to terms with its racial segregation, leaving blacks largely living in ghettos without jobs or hope, what the US security situation would be like now. That is where the UK and Europe are now with their Muslim population.
What utter bollox – Trevor Brooks (Abu Izzadeen) has been has been convicted of inciting terrorism. The PCO – or plastic copper – is an utter fool and his directive was dismissed. As for your image of the woman in the niqab – what better way to illustrate the success of integration than by a Muslim woman giving the two-fingered salute. Do you know what appeasement is? I found your article via Instapundit, whose links are usually valid. He was msitaken…
You may want to go out an re intern your ancestors. They are no doubt rolling over in their graves!
You obviously meant to say “Bible tracts” and not “Bible extracts.” This is the kind of error a non-Christian makes and it sullies an otherwise fine article.
No, I meant to say “Bible extracts”. They were leaflets with extracts from the Bible on them. “Tracts” is derogatory. And I am not a non-Christian.
think the two fingers is the British version of our middle finger, IOW = F— You. (Let a Brit explain.)
Yes, that’s right.
Mary left out the most important part … where she tells us how she “went there” and when.
How about it Mary? Just when did you “go there”?
See comment immediately below yours, which is unnecessarily hostile. Last time I “went there” was walking to Finsbury Park station two weeks ago. No, I didn’t get any abuse, just stares, but I can handle that, and anyone who can’t is a wimp.
Considering folks in the UK have little right to self defense – going into “no-go” areas may be doubly dangerous.
You may go to jail if you are assaulted and attempt to defend yourself. I can see the courts showing no sympathy for the victim, claiming he was trying to be provocative by going into such an area.
And your evidence? We do have a legal right to self-defence and juries normally acquit on these grounds, apart from a few high-profile but ambiguous cases, such as Tony Martin.
This is an ignorant comment, typical of an American who thinks he knows all about the UK but doesn’t. And it is not the only one.
The first thing that rose to mind upon reading this post was “Orange Order parades”.
Have fun with your riots. Might I recommend a well-padded derby and a nice, thick, well-woven tweed jacket?
I’m not sure I get Paul Sorene’s drift….
Success of integration is illustrated by a woman in Muslim garb, flipping off the photographer, in what is assumed to be the “no-go” neighborhood…
Jan in TX-USA
Success of integration is illustrated by a woman in Muslim garb, flipping off the photographer, in what is assumed to be the “no-go” neighborhood…
That is the stupidest thing I have read today.
David J Rusin, you’re right. Sorry.
On the subject of when and where Mary goes into Muslim areas.
We have also been together around a certain part of east London. I was brought up in east London – I was doing school sports in the hall in Leyton which Abu Izzadeen claimed for Islam (above)when he was still in nappies. I go back there regularly and plan to visit next week.
I will not leave my parent’s grave untended.
Hi Mary Jackson – I did not mean offense, I did not claim to “know all about the UK” – in fact, I even stated I hoped I was wrong, but that I based my thinking on what I had learned from news reports and from almost daily conversations with my English friends.
Insult me and “typical” Americans if you like, but know this – I have no animosity toward you or the UK. I posted the comment because I have great affection for the UK and its people and I am worried about the direction things seem to be moving. The world is better because the UK exists and I for one would like to continue receiving that benefit.
Nichevo,
Yup, was trying to be sub-tle if ya’ know what I mean. I understand the gesture completely.
If it weren’t for U.S. policy there wouldn’t be as many muslims in Europe.
One city called Södertälje in my homecountry of Sweden has taken as many Iraqis as the entire Unites States. One little city!
That hardly seems fair for such a small country.
“If it weren’t for U.S. policy there wouldn’t be as many muslims in Europe. One city called Södertälje in my homecountry of Sweden has taken as many Iraqis as the entire Unites States. One little city!”
Christofer, I say you are a liar and probably a muslim to boot. Your little country is a bunch of little cowards. Get off your worthless butts and start fighting back. Fight the terrorists everywhere they are. Fight them in the Mid-East so they can’t export them here. Kick them out of your country rather than sitting on the curb and sobbing about it being unfair.
And the so-called British academics want to boycott Israel for standing up to the Islamofascists. The UK gets what it deserves.
“AR” willfully confuses a religion that in its most fundamentalist form doesn’t want gays to marry, with a religion that, in its mainstream form, wants all gays dead.
Sorry, these silly “Christianist : Islamist” equivalencies just don’t hold water. I think most crewcut lesbian avant-garde artists would rather work in deepest Alabama than in any part of the Islamic world.
Don’t forget Eleanor Roosevelt also carried a gun that she was not afraid to use!
Pundit Joe – fair enough, it’s just that many Americans seem to equate self-defence with guns.
Most of the stunts Muslims pull are not about violence, they are about whingeing and bleating about hate crimes, or, as here, saying it is a Muslim area. So it is all the more important that non-Muslims refuse to accept this and go there. EW is another Brit who “just goes there”.
And the so-called British academics want to boycott Israel for standing up to the Islamofascists. The UK gets what it deserves.
See what I mean? A few academics try (but have so far failed) to get a boycott of Israeli universities, no more than Noam Chomsky, and most of the lefty academics in America would do if they could. And, in this American’s “logic”, it follows that 60 million Britains “deserve what they get”, presumably up to and including terrorism.
Pathetic. Stupid. And deeply ignorant.
Stupid and ignorant, too, was my spelling of “Britons” as “Britains”. 60 million Britains would be rather too many.
Look what you made me do!
‘The liberal British polititians will lead their nation into the abbys willingly. The rank and file Brit will have to rise up, throw off the yoke of liberalism and defeat the muslims politically if they are to save their nation. Unfortunately, I think the Brits will let die 1500 yrs of shining culture and be exterminated by the barbarians under sharia. This is the return on their welcoming hospitality. In the U.S., it’s different, 90% of the people I know want to destroy I Slam before it achieves its oft stated goal of destroying us.’
Mike, you utter drooling assclown. What a disgrace you are to the ape kingdom. I bet you can’t even define ‘Liberalism’ beyond a slackjawed howl against progressive politics. You also appear to have been untouched by 1500 years of ‘shining culture’ (why do you count from 500AD? Who did the Romans invade, culture-boy?)
Anyway, you paranoid Internet Tough Guys (R) with your knuckleheaded syntactical blunders have been baited by a cheap fantasy, which distracts you with a convenient hate figure from your laughably hapless lives. You are shouting up a drainpipe, you halfbreed cretins with your barely disguised race hate. The Fuhrer would mumble his excuses and pretend not to know you if you met him at a party, then go home and cry himself to sleep.
The reality is that the Muslim enclaves claim to be independent of the laws, customs and traditions of the nation in which they have located themselves. There is no freedom within the borders of these enclaves, except to embrace Islam and its hostility towards western society and, yes, hostility toward Christianity as well. How long will we shelter within our borders those who wish to destroy our social institutions which are much older than Islam?
Heh heh, I am a bad influence.
I don’t point out spelling errors as I am overly prone to them myself. lol
You don’t want people to paint nations with a broad brush, but you turn around and do the same thing? I won’t defend folks that take part in such behavior and I agree with you that one cannot judge a nation based upon the comments and actions of a few, so I’m confused as to why you would then do such a thing.
As for the self defense issue – it is my understanding that people are expected to retreat in the face of a threat and only act aggressively against an assailant if escape is not possible or if the life of someone else is in danger. -Self defense laws in the States can vary, but generally, people are not expected or required to retreat, they can stand their ground and fight, even if it over something as simple as a camera or wallet. They are within their rights to do so. This difference is what I was referring to in my first comment post. Please correct me if I am wrong. I am more than happy to admit any error.
As for the overall point of you article – I agree wholeheartedly. Going to the “no-go” areas is an important way to combat the establishment of such areas. I like your article a great deal and it reflects a tough spirit that I admire.
Pundit Joe – not sure where you got the idea that people are “expected to retreat in the face of a threat and only act aggressively against an assailant if escape is not possible or if the life of someone else is in danger.”
The law states that you can “use reasonable force to:
defend himself from attack
prevent an attack on another person
defend his property”
More here.
Whether the amount of force used is reasonable is something to be determined by a jury. A jury consists of ordinary people, who will see it as reasonable for people to defend themselves.
So whatever you have heard has no basis in fact, but is a misconception shared by many American posters. (Note, I do not say all, or even most, just many, unlike the poster above who said all Britons “deserve what they get” because of the (failed) actions of a tiny handful of academics. See the difference?
Anyway, I’m glad you like the article.
Thanks for the information and link. I bow to your superior knowledge.
THIS — IS — BRITAIN!!!!
Pundit Joe, less of that American sarcasm!
All Americans make generalisations…
Mary,
As yet another typical ignorant American, let me point out the obvious: the definition of “reasonable” force is subjective and will vary with the jury’s experiences, inclinations and the judge’s instructions.
Therefore the usual standard of self-defense permitted in most places in the States is not the same as the UK standard. In fact, what constitutes self-defense varies from state to state, as I am sure a superior-knowledge-person such as yourself is aware.
So–while Pundit Joe may have overstated his case initially–there is truth in the idea that the UK does not have the right of self-defense in the same sense that most Americans do. Sorry.
On the other hand, I must express my admiration for your courage, even if you seem to be biting the hands of your natural allies. (That seems to come naturally to you people, so I’ll let it slide.)
– Typical Ignorant American
As yet another typical ignorant American, let me point out the obvious: the definition of “reasonable” force is subjective and will vary with the jury’s experiences, inclinations and the judge’s instructions.
So–while Pundit Joe may have overstated his case initially–there is truth in the idea that the UK does not have the right of self-defense in the same sense that most Americans do. Sorry.
Er, what do you know about English self-defence case law and decisions? What exactly? Sweet bugger all. Yes, juries’ decisions vary, because they are human beings. And yours don’t? Think OJ Simpson. Look at Jihadwatch and Dhimmiwatch for examples of American capitulation to Muslims on a colossal scale.And you’re about to elect a very Muslim-friendly president.
Pundit Joe did more than “overstate his case”. He got it totally wrong. Out of ignorance, which he at least admitted. You, like so many of your fellow countrymen, think you know about the UK and generalise about it. On what evidence?
Can you afford to be smug? Our newspapers at least shriek with horror when cases like this come up. But self-cricitism – self-knowledge – is healthy. How self-critical is your press?
These comments are eye opening! Hey, cut out England vs. America jibes!! Quranic Muslims would gleefully slit our collective throats while we bash each other. Britain’s threat is America’s threat and vice versa. We have many “ostriches” but also many angry citizens fed up with Washington’s wash-outs! Much happens in U.S which we never hear about, except for Internet news and info. Our media’s censored/biased and America’s vastness makes solidarity hard to publicly practice. Great Britain may still “unite” and kick out subversives if it’s people rediscover their fighting spirit from WWII. Bottom line: we all want a decent civil life with family and friends. Whatever threatens this is a mutual enemy.
Please, don’t group true Christianity with other religions. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life…but He’d never force anyone to follow Him. Muslims relish their struggle (jihad)despite it’s maiming, impoverishment, degradation, and subjugation of it’s people. Numerous Muslim countries are the richest in the world…yet, they still demand OUR LAND AND FREEDOM by the sword!! They are never an asset to any freedom loving people!!
Rae – very wise comments.
Quranic Muslims would gleefully slit our collective throats while we bash each other. Britain’s threat is America’s threat and vice versa.
Indeed. We are on the same side, and let’s not forget it. Life’s too short, as may be the life of our great civilisation.
Allahu Akhbar,
I guess those Muzzie parades through downtown London and Paris with masked people carrying signs that said “Death to Infidels” and “To Hell with Freedom” were just figments of my, and several million other people’s, imaginations, right?
I guess I’m also just imagining that all those Muzzie would-be murderers got away with those vicious mass demonstrations scot-free, while the average Brit who went down to the local and said “I’m sick of the bloody poofters and wish they’d all bugger off and die of AIDS” would likely get hit with an ASBO if overheard by a cop.
Judging from the fact that the Beeb just recently ran a series on Enoch Powell that even slightly hinted he may have had some justification for his “Rivers of Blood” speech, Britain must be in damned poor shape. Those fanatically leftist anti-British propagandists would never have admitted Powell had the slightest justification unless they were beginning to be awfully worried themselves.
For a person so contemptuous of “Internet Tough Guys,” you certainly seem to be one yourself. Please make that same statement with regard to “halfbreed cretins” in front of a real person who strongly disagrees with you some time. You might get the response you richly deserve.
Er, what do you know about English self-defence case law and decisions? What exactly? Sweet bugger all.
Yes, juries’ decisions vary, because they are human beings. And yours don’t? Think OJ Simpson. Look at Jihadwatch and Dhimmiwatch for examples of American capitulation to Muslims on a colossal scale.And you’re about to elect a very Muslim-friendly president.
Pundit Joe did more than “overstate his case”. He got it totally wrong. Out of ignorance, which he at least admitted. You, like so many of your fellow countrymen, think you know about the UK and generalise about it. On what evidence?
Can you afford to be smug? Our newspapers at least shriek with horror when cases like this come up. But self-cricitism – self-knowledge – is healthy. How self-critical is your press?
MJ: “Er, what do you know about English self-defence case law and decisions? What exactly? Sweet bugger all.”
TIA: And what do you know about what I know? Sweet bugger all? Yep.
MJ: “Yes, juries’ decisions vary, because they are human beings.”
TIA: Juries decisions vary between countries both because they are human beings–from different cultures–and because the laws differ. (Which they do.)
TIA: For either reason, or a combination, self-defense cases will not always be decided the same way in both countries. For example, good luck getting Tony Martin convicted in Texas. They’d have made him Chief of Police in many small towns in TX. (FYI: Chief of Police is a public law enforcement office like the Sheriff of Nottingham.)
TIA: So, Pundit Joe had a point, although it was overstated.
MJ: “And yours don’t?”
TIA: I never said, implied or intimated that they did. In fact, I said “sweet-bugger-all” about such a claim. (Heh. I like the phrase.)
MJ: “Think OJ Simpson. Look at Jihadwatch and Dhimmiwatch for examples of American capitulation to Muslims on a colossal scale.And you’re about to elect a very Muslim-friendly president.”
TIA: Boy, I’m supposed to defend a lot of positions that I never remotely claimed to have, aren’t I?
TIA: But I will say this while we’re on the subject: I don’t know of any no-go zones for Xians in the US. Certainly none near my home.
MJ: “Pundit Joe did more than “overstate his case”. He got it totally wrong. Out of ignorance, which he at least admitted.”
TIA: His civility is fooling you. Pundit Joe’s probably just humoring you b/c he is polite. One important difference in the US/UK cultures is that rudeness often passes for cleverness in the UK.
MJ: “You, like so many of your fellow countrymen, think you know about the UK and generalise about it. On what evidence?”
TIA: I read your newspapers. I’ve visited many times for both business and pleasure. I worked there. I work with many Brits and former UK residents. I served in the RAF during the Battle of Britain, earning two VCs and losing a leg and the hearing in 3 of my 4 ears. I advised Admiral Jellicoe to pursue the High Seas Fleet at Jutland, but the cautious bastard wouldn’t listen. Charles Dickens bounced his early story ideas off me. Chuck was trying to decide whether “A Tale of Two Cities” should start by claiming that it was the best of times or the worst of times. I suggested a bold compromise. I dunked Lord Nelson’s corpse in brandy after the battle of Trafalgar. I fought on both sides during the English civil war. I wrote Shakespeare’s sonnets while he made gloves. Two queens tried to behead me in the 16th century for being the wrong flavor of Christianity. Battle of Hastings? I missed it b/c I had the flu. Sorry. I held the stone while King Aruther pulled the sword from it. Ever hear the name “Londinium”? I suggested it to the Romans.
TIA: Finally, we certainly don’t “generalise,” but we might “generalize” from time to time.
MJ: “Can you afford to be smug?”
TIA: Of course I can afford it. I buy smugness by the case at the local Wal-Mart. I can get 50 lbs (that’s almost 23 kg, BTW) of smug for $14.99. ($14.99 = 13.2 hectares, I think.)
MJ: “Our newspapers at least shriek with horror when cases like this come up.”
TIA: I will admit that you are very correct here. There is a lot of shrieking. Just not much in the way of change.
MJ: “But self-cricitism – self-knowledge – is healthy. How self-critical is your press?”
TIA: Come on now, you don’t want us to be self-critical. If we were self-critical, we would encroach on the most popular European pasttime, one that predates football, being self-righteously indignant about something America is doing.
TIA: (In all seriousness, I think that the western world in general, and the US and Israel, in particular, are easily the most self-critical nations in the world. That’s not intended to get your goat.)
TIA: Heh. It’s been good chatting with you, MJ. As I said before you began to insult me personally, I admire your courage and wish you luck. That still goes.
TIA: I tried to get this point across in my previous post but maybe it got lost in translation.
TIA: Rae certainly put it more forcefully. I’m glad that you seemed to appreciate her point.
TIA: I would suggest, however, that you (MJ) might be the crankiest person I have come across in a month of Sundays. Lighten up. It’s only our lives and civilization on the line.
TIA: Sweet bugger all, it’s time to say good night.
TIA: Good night, Gracie.
Splendidly well-put article, Mary!
Like you, I also found those twenty-one words by Rae a tight, compelling assessment worth remembering.
And, like so many, I’m disturbed by the easy betrayal of our trust by those whom we employ as our community and regional leaders.
Bright, unrelenting light is a great deterrent.
Wow, Allahu Akbar. Can we say “anger management?”
“Anyway, you paranoid Internet Tough Guys (R) with your knuckleheaded syntactical blunders have been baited by a cheap fantasy, which distracts you with a convenient hate figure from your laughably hapless lives. You are shouting up a drainpipe, you halfbreed cretins with your barely disguised race hate.”
Or how about “hyperbole?”
Seriously, my friend — the way to achieve understanding is not to fling weapons, physical or verbal. (And I’d say that to anyone — it’s just that your words are so breathtaking in their excess.)
By now, everyone should realize that Islam is not one big umbrella, but a mosaic of sects, each with their own distinctive beliefs. Not all Muslims advocate strict sharia (stoning people, etc.), for example.
However, it’s these more “conservative” beliefs (I read them as “repressive and dangerous”) that worry the average Westerner. Furthermore, that there doesn’t seem to be enough public condemnation of them — except from a few brave writers, who then seem to get death threats! Can you not see the irony when devotees of the “religion of peace” go on violent rampages every time their religion is “insulted?”
You can see how fundamentally different many Muslims’ beliefs and actions are to the Western tradition. Speaking as an American, I welcome anyone, of any religion, so long as s/he respects OUR laws and traditions and doesn’t try to change them.
In an effort to learn more about Islam, I found a very good site — muslimmatters.org — which seems to present important issues in a very civil and respectful manner. The comments generated on its articles run the gamut from progressive to fundamentalist, and I’ve learned a great deal.
I suggest you do the same.
It seems that many women are leading the fight against Islam– Wafa Sultan, Ayaan Ali Hirsi, and now Mary Jackson.
Men need to reach down deep. I am afraid that the situation is going to require some real courage.
Westerners need to go into the Muslim no go areas and exert a little freedom of movement.
I am appalled my father fought Nazis only to have them get elected in England!
LOL, this is hilarious. Just one of the many stories Ive heard about Muslim issues in the UK. Unless everyone toughens up and stop being such sissies, they will take over. Its only a matter of time. And they need to stop letting all sorts of immigrants in the country for christ’s sake! Its ridiculous how they can come in expect everyone to change the rules for their benefit. If they made complaints in their country they’d probably be hung or something. If they dont like the way things are run here then they should go back! And this is coming from a black person! If i werent born here or was here illegally, I would zip my mouth shut and not moan about a thing. Being here unlawfully is bad enough; complaining about something is just taking the piss.
If I were a Muslim in Europe, I would plan my escape route. Europe has a long history or extreme pacifism, followed by extreme blood-baths.
Neville “Peace for our time” Chamberlain marked the end of such era. We all know what followed.
1) Go where you want to go. It’s your country, isn’t it?
2) Show what you want to show. Fly your flag! Wear your cross! ( Or whatever is yours.)
3) If anyone has a problem – let it be THEIR problem.
As a Brit the truth is that the uk is F***** and the blame lays with this Government, any Americans wish to rent me a house?
And now we have people singing the praises of unofficial Muslim peacekeepers right in Washington, DC. How long do you think it will take before they describe anything non-Muslim as a “hate crime?”
We’re capitulating to sharia law right here in the US of A. Everytime we take a politically correct stand and don’t publish Islamic cartoons, don’t criticize Islamic practices we find heinous, etc., we’re just implementing it ourselves. It works through intimidation and terror, and it looks like the West is just rolling over in an attempt to be polite.
Brits need to take back their right to keep and bear arms. That is the only reasonable means of self-protection for women and the only tool that levels the playing field.
WELL WELL WELL it looks like the chickens coming home to roost. The Empire dies, and many of the former peoples from the colonized countries emmigrate to the “mother land” and start to make it like their own former homes. Just as the Brits did in the countries of the old Empire.
Eric: based on your logic, as an (English) Brit, maybe I should emigrate to Italy, and Anglicise Rome (The Roman Empire’s occupation of England).
Maybe benefits-sponge in the Normandy area of France (1066, William the Conqueror)?
Gang-raping in Denmark, anyone? (The Danelaw)
TIA, LOL! Thanks for standing up for all us ignorant Americans. The reason I read her article was because I was on her as well as England’s side. I am still hoping and praying that the people of England will wake up and fight. BTW, there are no-go areas in America.
Jonathan: This ALL happened within our life time.NOT 1066. This was ALL government policy.NOT an invasion. Besides, didn’t William show up uninvited in response to Harald showing up uninvited in Normandy some two years prior?
You also left out Saxony(Saxons),Norway(Vikings).
re: Muslim-friendly American presidential candidate
Our election is strictly a media event…scripted and nailed down behind “closed doors”. I shudder over this Obamanation.
American government is foundationally a republic devolved into an oligarchy (perhaps something more sordid?).
I don’t care what color our president is, but I do wonder over the bizarre reasoning of fanatics who dismiss Obama’s predilection towards Islam and double-speak as of no consequence to America’s future. MediaAmerica “sees no evil, hears no evil, and speaks no evil” according to the will of their taskmasters.
Is Britain any different?
Gordon Brown and George Bush woodenly shake hands and smile at press conferences while mutual enemies plot.
Whether shopping at local grocers, riding the bus, attending universities, or moving next door, Islam’s aim is recruitment of angry ignorant “sheeple” into their fold. An ideology which breeds martyrs will always need malleable pawns.
I’m grateful for forums like this. People which hope for a decent civil life MUST ENCOURAGE AND SUPPORT EACH OTHER. Sniping and backbiting in today’s geopolitical arena is folly. There is no “perfect” nation…but we must affirm mutual beneficial values. England’s Magna Carta and America’s Constitution and Bill of Rights are freedoms worth fighting for spirit, soul, and body.
“There is no “perfect” nation…but we must affirm mutual beneficial values. England’s Magna Carta and America’s Constitution and Bill of Rights are freedoms worth fighting for spirit, soul, and body.”
Very well said, Rae. I could not agree more. Incidentally, all non-muslims, regardless of religion, race, national origin, etc. must unite because this fight is against all of us who do not believe in the great satan (Islam). Therefore, we must put aside all our differences and realize that we are all united in this great cause; to fight for our right to exist.
‘NO-GO’ areas IN BRITIAN!!!
Archbishop of Cntbry said: ‘But if what we want socially is a pattern of relations in which a plurality of divers and overlapping affiliations work for a common good, and in which groups of serious and profound conviction are not systematically faced with the stark alternatives of cultural loyalty or state loyalty, it seems unavoidable’
ARE YOU MAD????!!!!! When did Sharia Law “work for the common good?” Where and what country has Sharia Law EVER been good for ANYONE?? Maybe you should bring satanism in next!! You are an ARCHBISHOP????!!! Do YOU EVER read and understand your bible??? Do you EVER obey GOD???? Or are you just pleasing MAN?????!!! I have NEVER heard of anything as crazy as this! If the muslims want Sharia Law they must go to a country where this is allowed, but not begin to turn Britain into a muslim state!!! How can parts of Britain be ‘no-go’ areas for ‘non-muslims’ – Britain belongs to the British people FOR the British people – its supposed to be a free country for all!! Not for religious Muslims [British or not!!!]. When did Christians, Roman Catholics, Anglicans, Baptists, Methodists, Christadelphians, etc etc…… ever have ‘no-go’ areas????!!! When was a Muslim never allowed to walk around parts of Britain?? Maybe we should have Christian ‘no-go’ areas for Muslims!!!! And DEMAND we have time off three times a day for our Christian prayers!!
If you allow Muslims to become Judges, attorneys, police, doctors, MP’s, etc etc….. they will eventually enforce their views, laws & religion into every area & society of Britain and completely take over. Check the search engines with ‘Muslims want Britain’ its all over about their demands in UK! Ever heard of gradualism??? [the principle, theory, or policy of allowing change, especially political change, to take place gradually rather than suddenly or drastically] – as this is more acceptable to the people who may oppose change! Look it up, as this is what the Muslims are doing, they will NEVER be content and happy with a little of Britain that is already given over to them – they want a Muslim State in Britain!! They will not be content until then.
I’m british, live in South Africa with many thousands of other british ex-pats – but we don’t have ‘no-go areas’ or force our british law onto South Africa, we abide by the rules & law here as this is NOT OUR COUNTRY!! So why are YOU [muslims] forcing your Laws on Britain???!! If you’re British then you live by British Law!
And then having this dismal and pathetic Archbishop of Canterbury who is weak, and cannot stick up for our country and God’s law, who’s trying to bring in ‘ONE FAITH FOR ALL’ so that everybody is happy [which will never work, no matter how hard you try!], is an embarrassment to the Christian faith and the principals Britain is founded on!!
Britain has always been free. The Nazis couldn’t get in, but the Muslims did!! And we Brits are giving it to them – gradually!!
When my grandparents came to Britain having fled the pogroms they expected nothing. They worked hard, became good citizens and participated fully in and contributed to the wider society. It was made clear to them that they need not stay if they found British life not to their liking.
I have known since 7/7 that things would get worse but exactly how much worse became crystal clear when the Royal Anglian Regiment had its homecoming parade in Luton, Bedfordshire, UK. Thousands of people turned out to support these young men and women. I do not support the Iraq war for all sorts of reasons, but I do support the young soldiers and other staff who perform their duties there.
The homecoming was marred by the presence of a small group Al-Muhajiroun, an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, which is supposed to be a banned organisation in the UK and yet this appallingly ineffectual government does nothing about. Their banners were as execrable as their manners were egregious. Eventually they were forced by the reaction of the crowd to them to scuttle away after the march past, but not before two of the crowd had been arrested for threatening behaviour!
I get angrier and angrier when excuses for human beings like these, who would quickly dispense with our human rights and place us in servitude (dhimmitude) to them if they ever got the power they want, are so quick to turn to the very rule of law they so despise in order to claim its protection.
Why should Islam and Muslims demand and get special treatment? The British government has caved in to it and as a result, like the parents of a toddler who always give into its tantrums, it has grown a monster.
Is it too late for us? I hope not.
I am a 46 year old living in UK. I can see the writing on the wall. It’s a simple matter of demographics. The combination of large families, marriages of conveniance and immigration will inevitably result in a muslim state here. This is not scaremongering, it’s a statistical fact. It’s only a matter of time. At current rates, I would estimate we’re looking at the UK becoming a Muslim state with sharia law within 3 more generations (60-80 years). There is nothing anyone can do about it. I’m just grateful to be born early enough for it not to affect me until I’m too old to care. (I live in the south west of UK which will be one of the last enclaves to surrender).
England is weak. We will take over by our numbers. Go to any maternity ward and you will see our numbers growing. Go to any old age home, and you will see yours dwindling.
i am from the area where this offence took place, i am extremely angry at all the comments about islam, islam is a peaceful religion which doesn’t promote terrorism or violence. us muslims born in britain have every right to stay here just as the white people. all this nonsense you hear about muslims being terrorists is crap generated by the media, and you are fools for believing it. muslims are a peaceful people, only a minority may be bad, but that doesnt mean all of them are criminals.
Yes Karman you do have a right to live here if you were born here and yes the majority of Muslims are peace loving – at the moment .
But we are not concerned with the majority . If history teaches us anything it is the minority who are to be feared because the majority then follow.
The British Muslims are an ignorant and intolerant people who will not treat us with the same respect we have treated you.
Kamran I don’t suppose you are familiar with the saying “not all muslims are terrorists but nearly all terrorists are muslims”?
I’m aware of how muslims like yourself probably look down on the extremists for giving Islam one hell of a bad name, but this is Britain, not an arabic state.
This is the 21st century, you have every right to practice your religion wherever you are, just as I as an Atheist choose to have my own beliefs on the origins of our universe and what happens after death. We do not want your beliefs and customs forced upon us by any means, this is why you receive overall negative attention.
Personally I certainly don’t want sharia as the segments i have seen on it (particularly the parts on rules for non-muslims and women to follow) I simply do not agree with to put it lightly (I also love my various forms of pig meat thank you very much).
Your parents/grandparents are the ones who chose to come here, but no one asked them to. They came to a foreign country, a country with it’s own culture, it’s own traditions and most importantly, it’s own laws. They didn’t have any right to change that or disobey any of our laws and neither do you. Just like I cannot go to an Islamic country to preach a religion that is not Islam, but your area is not an islamic country, it’s merely a district of a British city that happens to have lots of muslims living there, and those christian preachers had every right to be in the area handing out fliers.
Muslim or not with the power I would sacked that PCSO for doing what they seem to do best, acting like they can do what they want and abuse powers thinking they’re the real police and for giving the biggest waste of taxpayers money ever a workforce.
By the way. I’m 16 and very much want the vote.
You guys, in fact you see it all wrong…
These no-go areas are a very good idea and are fully supported by the govs.
Why?
Very simple: It will be much more effective to wipe them out and have no collateral damage!!!
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