Mormon America: A Political Profile
“Of all the stories of American pioneers and settlers, none is more inspiring than the Mormon trail. The qualities of the founders of this community are the qualities that we seek in America, the qualities which we like to feel this country has, courage, patience, faith, self-reliance, perseverance, and, above all, an unflagging determination to see right prevail.” — President Kennedy at the Mormon Tabernacle, September 1963.
The presidential campaigns of Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman have brought attention to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, also known as LDS and the Mormon faith. If Romney wins the Republican nomination, Mormons can expect significant scrutiny from both the world media and ordinary voters. What follows is a brief political history of the Mormon faith. How many American Mormons are there? Where do they live, and how do they vote?
Mormons were once “populist” Democrats, one of the distinctive minorities of the New Deal coalition who grew up poor during the Depression and eventually left the party after rapidly achieving economic success.
There are nearly six million Mormons in America, about 2% of the population, and their numbers are growing fast due to conversions and high birth rates. Romney has five children and Huntsman seven, and Utah has the highest birth rate in the nation.
The ten states with the highest percentages of Mormons are all west of Kansas City. Utah, founded by Brigham Young, is the seat of Mormon culture and influence — over 70% of residents are adherents. Neighboring Idaho is nearly one-third Mormon. All of the mountain states except New Mexico and Colorado are at least 5% Mormon. Roughly 60% of American Mormons live in Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, and, surprisingly, Nevada.
The Mormon lifestyle — drinking, smoking, and even caffeine are forbidden — has led to healthy people and families: Mormons have lower than average divorce, suicide, cancer, obesity, smoking, alcoholism, out-of-wedlock birth, crime, and poverty rates. Their life expectancy is several years higher than the national average. Mormons are also better-educated, healthier, and more affluent than the national averages — they are the most successful white religious group after Jews and Episcopalians. Utah is also the state that leads the nation in charitable giving. They do have the lowest enlistment rate in the armed forces due to the fact males are expected to go on Mormon missions (Romney went to France in the 1960s).
Mormon political history is complicated. Mormons settled in the West in the 19th century, leading Republican administrations in the post-Civil War era to keep Utah out of the union until 1896 due to fear of Mormon influence. Republican orators who denounced the (then-) Mormon practice of polygamy created a feeling among many Mormons that the Democrats were more tolerant. Utah and Idaho voted for Bryan in 1896; they usually voted for the national winner over the next generation. In 1928, the Mormon vote swung to Catholic Al Smith, as did most of the Democratic vote outside of the Bible Belt areas.
The Depression hit Utah hard, and Mormons were in the mainstream in supporting Franklin D. Roosevelt’s New Deal programs — they voted for FDR in almost exactly the same percentages as the nation. In 1948, Truman received a slightly higher percentage of the Mormon vote than his national average of 50%.
The 1952 election appears to be the turning point in Mormon politics. Like wealthy Southerners, Southwestern ranchers, and suburban Catholics, Mormons began to drift away from the Democratic Party in the 1950s, partly attracted by Dwight Eisenhower’s hero status and partly because the old Depression traditions meant less in the light of the post-1945 prosperity. Tired of Truman and the Korean War, the Mormon areas of Utah and Idaho gave Ike a 66-34% landslide; he did even better with Mormons in 1956. Mormons swung toward JFK in 1960 in roughly the same proportion as the nation. In 1964 after the Kennedy assassination, President Lyndon Johnson invited LDS President David McKay to the White House. LBJ became the only and last Democrat to carry the Mormon vote plus Utah and Idaho since 1950.
It is forbidden to vote for Romney the Mormon.
Anyone who votes for Romney the Mormon is committing a sin against God.
Whoever votes for Romney the Mormon is going straight to hell.
Whoever votes for Romney the Mormon will have to answer to God for it.
Mormonism is not Christianity.
Mormonism is a cult.
Mitt Romney is a demonic cultist.
We will expose the Mormon cult for what it is.
Mormons are not Christians.
If, God forbid, Romney the Mormon is elected President of the United States of America, God will judge America, and give us what we deserve — hell on earth, the destruction of the United States of America, and the end of our way of life.
And what is your religion, exactly? Which denomination, precisely?
It’s a good thing he didn’t put down a denomination, because we’d have to conclude that it was a bunch of half-witted bigots.
OR, you could look at his user name, and conclude the glaringly obvious:
Troll.
You’re an idiot.
As-salaam alaikum my brother!
Indeed, any who vote for Mittphestopheles Romnifer shall certainly perish in the sulfury flames of the Lake of Fire.
ULULULULULULULLULULULULULLU
Editor’s Note: I suspect that Tea Party Salafi, just like this post, is sarcastic.
OOPPPS! The Tea Party just backed Mitt.
‘Taint no, “the Tea Party”. Arguably, there are “Tea Parties”. I’ts a movement w/o a head. Constitutionalism is it’s core–Which includes as primary, secondary, and tertiary principles: Rule of law, transparency, accountability, sound monetary policy, limited government, and liberty.
Why no, you did not come off as a bizzare cultist yourself. We just read an entire article detailing these horrible people and yet you have the foresight to let us know that “By their fruits you shall know them” does not apply to Mormons. Would to heaven that my Evangelist friends were as honorable as the two Mormon families in our neighborhood, filthy cultists that they are.
You, Sir or Madam, are an ignorant bigot. God save us from the likes of you.
I think the “Tea Party Salafi” poster is just teasing the ardent Tea Party supporters; those who claim to be Tea Party believers but who will absolutely, postively NOT vote for Romney because he’s a Mormon.
I am a Mormon and I am for Mitt Romney, but, no, I’m not a Mitt fan only because he’s LDS. Jun Huntsman, Jr and Harry Reid are Mormons and I don’t like them as politicians at all.
Cheers.
You are an uneducated freak. You will most likely be the one looking up as you are burning in hell wonderiing why you were so stupid during your life. I feel bad for you. Open your eyes to any and all truth.
The list is absolutely correct, if America elects Mitt Romney if will be ruled by an Antichrist Mormon president from Salt Lake City.Romney just has to follow chi orders and instructions, or leave the Mormon church
So far as I know, we’re not at war with any Mormons — who are trying to blow up the country and pass some kind of Mormon law in the country, the last I checked. Have you seen any of that? Any attempt to impose Mormon law on America?
I never had a bad experience with Mormons. I’m sick and tired of people bashing Romney on the Mormon thing. If you wanna criticize him on Romneycare or whatever… Look let’s be very clear. He’s the establishment candidate. He is the checkpants Republican of our worst fears. He is a Rockefeller Republican come back to life, to haunt us… Yet I would choose him over Obama, its as simple as that. If its a choice between a checkpants Republican like Mitt Romney, and a lifetime Marxist revolutionary like Obama – you know who I choose.
Why do other Christians have an issue with Mormons? I don’t quite understand it.
The Mormons believe in Jesus Christ; other Christians believe in Jesus Christ. Where’s the problem here?
What’s the problem between fundamentalist Christians and Mormons?
I don’t quite understand that part of it. Can anyone explain that to me, educate me on this? Why are Mormons attacked by other Christians? In an age of terror where almost every bomb set off on the earth, in a shopping mall or amongst innocent people — is set off by a radical Muslim … you fear Mormons more than radical Muslims?
“Why do other Christians have an issue with Mormons? I don’t quite understand it.
“The Mormons believe in Jesus Christ; other Christians believe in Jesus Christ. Where’s the problem here?
What’s the problem between fundamentalist Christians and Mormons?
I don’t quite understand that part of it. Can anyone explain that to me, educate me on this? Why are Mormons attacked by other Christians? In an age of terror where almost every bomb set off on the earth, in a shopping mall or amongst innocent people — is set off by a radical Muslim … you fear Mormons more than radical Muslims?”
To put it briefly, Mormon theology is outside the core of orthodox Christianity. Who God is, what is the Trinity, how is salvation gained (or given), the authority of the bible versus what most Christians would believe is an extrabibical revelation (the Book of Mormon and other authoritative Mormon scriptures)–these are the reasons why Mormons are not accepted as traditional Christians.
On moral issues, however, Mormons and traditional Christians are in broad agreement. Speaking as a “traditional Christian”, Romney’s Mormonism is not a great deterrent for me (I have more problems with things like “Romneycare”).
I also don’t want to put myself in the position of judging either Mormon sincerity or their ultimate destination–I’ll let God (Who is, to put it mildly a lot smarter than I am) do the judging.
Arrgh. The post on “traditional Christians” and Mormons is mine, just for the record.
That’s what I have always said, I will let Christ decide who is Christian, and I will not say that you are not.
Why not ask the Mormons the same question why they have a problem with Christianity, it goes both ways you know.. Christians have trouble with Mormonism because Joseph Smith decided that he wanted his own little following and that is where Mormonism began. They shun the Bible and cling to the book of Mormon, and they call Christians deceived while they are suppose to have the truth. Yes they have a higher rate in birth so that their religion can grow and grow,, and as you can see they don’t serve their country either.. Romney shunned the constitution with his Romney care and he voted against the will of the people while he was Governor of Massachusetts.. He isn’t finished yet, if he get’s to become the President he will repeat the process all over again and he will make excuses on why he can’t repeal Obama care.. I even hate to say it but I will vote for him if need be, but He is a snake in the grass in my book and he will sliver his way into becoming commander and chief..
But not so fast many evangelicals will not vote for a Mormon, so we just might see Obama back in office again.. Romney is sold out to Government and can’t be trusted and Americans know it.. If he is electable I will be awfully surprised
Mormons shun the bible? That’s news to me. So why do I have several King James version of the bible in my home? Ask any young man on the street with a white shirt and tie and a tag on their label (or young woman, but they don’t wear a shirt and tie) to show you right there and then what he is carrying with him. Funny it will be the King James version of the Bible. So if you’re going to criticize try being truthful. We claim the Book of Mormon is another testiment for Christ. Another! Get it!
If your saying the Evangelicals will not vote for a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, then YOU deserve what will become of this country, but the rest of us don’t.
Sorry, I’ll pass on your “other testament”.
The Bible is culled from dozens of different authors, written in several languages over hundreds of years, and over three different continents. The Gospels would hold up by any court standard based on the number of eyewitnesses, the varied accounts of the life of Christ, and the closeness of the writings to the actual events (either written by the eyewitnesses themselves or by people who knew them personally). It is a historical document.
The Book of Mormon was “discovered” by a single person and transcribed to people of his choosing. His claim was that it was based on golden plates given to him by the angel Moroni and then conveniently given back. No physical proof exists of such plates, and the eyewitness accounts of the plates suggest collusion. It is rife with historical, archeological, and scientific inaccuracies. Substantial evidence exists that it was likely plagiarized from several publications available during Joseph Smith’s lifetime, peppered with phraseology and language from the King James Bible.
Sorry, when given the choice between a historical document written over hundreds of years and through dozens of authors, and a book that suddenly appeared 170 years ago through the vision of a single man with a checkered past, I’ll take the former.
at the MightyMonarch:
You are free to pass on what you choose. Not personally recommended, but, ok. We believe that Christ is the Savior of all mankind, not just of this group or that. It’s alright.
Now, If you wanna go all legal and logical and stuff… The testimony of the three, and that of the eight, are pretty strong. Particularly of the three, each had a personal falling-out with Smith, but all bore their testimonies to their deathbed. One of which never actively sought association with the church after his falling-out, but nevertheless wanted his headstone inscribed with his role as one of the three witnesses. Now, THAT is evidence suitable for a court.
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As to candidate choice, I am for a Constitutionalist as I think all members of the church should be (since the church teaches that the Constitution is pretty-much divinely inspired, along with the Declaration, and surrounding events), and I will place each vote to the best advantage of the Declaration and Constitution.
So Bub, Mormons don’t serve theirr country? Tell that to Mormon Medal of Honor winners Bernard Fisher (Vietnam)and Ed Michaels (WW2), jsut the tiny tip of the iceberg of dedicated Latter Day Saint military men and wusen.
Dealing with the ecclesiastical points, Bub–
Making assertions about one’s own beliefs is far from personally condemning others for having their own.
To be pointed, and un-PC, since the accusation is bared:
The Protestants, by definition, claim that the Roman/Orthodox church had strayed in whatever things they list as pertinent, in their particular vein. In turn, at least the Roman sect, figures the various Protestant groups lost.
Further, until the last few decades, the various Protestant groups thought the others lost. Some still do, but most of them have adopted a fundamental creed of acceptance wherein they concede a level of legitimacy to the others. (Mormons generally meet that creed.) — Nevertheless, each group, as much as it is separate from another, as much as it varies in points doctrine, scriptural interpretation, and even by it’s mere existence, each creed implies that it has something the others are missing. You can go back to the early ’70s and be offended by their existence, if you want… But your preachers have already gotten over it… mostly.
Mormons do NOT “shun the Bible”.
We belive the Bible to be the word of God “as far as it is translated correctly”.
The vast, vast majority of it has been translated correctly/retains truth. I love the Bible. However, many errors or doctrinally difficult passages exist within it. After studying both the Bible and the Book of Mormon for decades I think the one doctrine the Bible makes it hardest to clearly see is that of salvation, ie, “is it enough to say “I believe in Jesus Christ” to be saved or is there more to it?” The Bible does answer that question (“there’s more to it”) but it is difficult to see that is the case. However, in the Book of Mormon is is ABUNDANTLY clear that faith in Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism by immersion by one who has authority, the continual reception/receiving of the Holy Ghost (which is attained by our best efforts to continually obey/follow Jesus Christ) and, finally, the GRACE of Jesus Christ, is what is required to bring about one’s salvation.
ALL this can be known/understood yourself if you’re brave enough to ask AND to follow what God reveals to you. (James 1:5-6, and, yes, that is in the Bible)
Good luck!
It’s really pretty simple. Take just about any theological term, and you’ll find the Mormon definition is 180 degrees opposite of the Christian definition.
For example, the Mormon God is one of uncounted millions. Conversely, ALL Christian denominations agree there is only ONE God.
Of course, Mormonism is thoroughly dishonest on this point (and just about all others); ask a Mormon if they believe in multiple gods and most will vehemently deny it and claim they believe in only ONE god. However, what they MEAN by that is that they only believe in one god who matters to this planet, as he is the god of just this planet. The highest aspiration for a Mormon is to be good enough to become a god and have their own planet someday.
This is actually quite interesting AND practical. It really means that Mormons do not believe in any absolute moral values. They only believe in moral values that this planet’s god has established for this planet. In other words, what a Christian would see as transcendent moral values which are a reflection of the character of the immutable, eternal god, a Mormon sees as merely the preferences of the particular human who managed to become a god and got to populate this particular planet.
Again, they will usually deny this, and in fact, many run-of-the-mill Mormons really don’t know much about their own religion.
Or take the birth of Jesus as another example. In Christian theology, Jesus was conceived by the virgin Mary by a miracle of the Holy Spirit, quite apart from the normal, natural process of conception. In Mormon theology, Mary was physically impregnated by Adam, who is one and the same as their god.
I could go on and on in the same vein. They use the same terms, but they mean things which are diametrically opposed to, and irreconcilably incompatible with, Christian ideas.
It was only in the late 70s or early 80s that the Mormon church began to try to be recognized as “just another Christian denomination”. Prior to that, they carried on with the views of Joseph Smith & Brigham Young, who denounced all Christian denominations as completely wrong and dammed.
The differences are too vast for any honest person to consider them as simply another Christian denomination. You may consider both wrong, and even both wacky, but there is no honest way to pretend they are just two versions of the same thing.
For the record:
I lived in Salt Lake for several years. I voted for Mormons for local, state, and national office. The people I worked with were almost all Mormons, and great people. (The only fly in the ointment was an EX-Mormon who couldn’t get along with anybody.) While there, for the ONLY time in my life I went to a company party at the boss’s house, with my family, because I knew it would be a CLEAN party. We had a great time.
I’d be happy to live there again.
My opposition to Mitt Romney is based on Mitt Romney’s liberal track record, NOT his religion.
Should read, “…on and on in this VAIN”, no?
I’m sure we could agree on some terms, like, “false witness”, “liar”, etc.
Dear Mark v,
You said that, Mormons “only believe in one god who matters to this planet, as he is the god of just this planet.”
Please allow me to quote from one of four books of Mormon scripture (The others are the Bible, The Book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price):
Doctrine and Covenants Section 76:22-24
22 And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives!
23 For we saw him, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father—
24 That by him, and through him, and of him, the WORLDS are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God.
Note the word “worlds” (plural) in the Mormon description of the Saving work and power of God. I guess that sort of shoots your comment in the foot, eh?
I am happy that you had a good stay among the Mormons. Apparently you got some of your understanding about Mormon doctrine from someone besides a Mormon.
Perhaps some more listening and learning would be in order.
This is an excellent and balanced panel discussion about Mormons, their beliefs, and politics: http://www.pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/Mormonism-and-Politics-Are-They-Compatible.aspx
And as for Mormons’ political affiliations, I can say this. I’m a former-Democrat Mormon, now Republican-voting Independent (and still very Mormon). Evangelical Christians are pretty nasty to us sometimes, but the Left is truly and deeply hostile, and more and more has the political muscle to back it up.
At a certain point, one should learn to worry more about current threats more than hypothetical threats.
Good question. I have studied American religions a good part of my life and asked myself this question too. A big part of it is due to mormon missionary work. Back in the 70s and 80s the mormons had great success in the south among baptist and evangelicals. After several years the various pastors got together to figure out why their congregations were shrinking. They realized that a lot of their congregation were leaving to join the mormon church, so they came up with a plan to stop the trend.
Their plan was a preemptive strike. They announced over the pulpit to their congregations that mormons are not christians and are a cult. They told them to beware of a new danger. The rate of conversions mormons experienced in the south dramatically declined. The trend continues today as most baptist/evangelical churches often have classes about why mormons are worse than other religions. My uncle is methodist and sent me a dvd in the mail two months back about how the mormons are evil with a note stating that I should not vote for Mitt Romney because he would lead the nation astray…it kinda cracks me up. Does anyone have any other perspective?
In San Diego there is an LDS/Mormon Cathedral along the highway. it is grand, but a bit strange looking. It is an impressionist and surreal knockoff, I guess, of the great Catholic Cathedrals. And the Book of Mormon is a kind of surreal knockoff of the Holy Bible, a ‘Newer Testament’ to add to the others, I’m guessing again. Mormons, I read somewhere, make up the largest denomination in the Boy Scouts of America.
Being a Mormon isn’t the biggest problem with Romney. It’s probably the smallest. The biggest two problems with Romney is Romneycare and the fact that the most odious people in the GOP, moderates, endorse him. One should not expect the Federal Government to shrink under Romney.
This is one time when even moderate Republicans will be trying to cut government spending, not just slow its growth. The annual budget has doubled since Obama became president, and the Democratic Senate still hasn’t passed an official budget since he took office. The extra $5 trillion + is WAY beyond anything moderates want. So I think you’re wrong; Romney, while a somewhat wishy-washy fiscal conservative/social moderate, will be willing to cut government spending provided he has the ability–with a Republican House and Senate. This is a unique situation. Up to 3 years ago government sluggishly increased spending, increased regulation, etc, no matter which party had the majorities and the presidency. If Romney gets the nomination and the presidency, and both houses end up Republican, we may see something that has never occurred in my lifetime–actual spending CUTS. Up to now a cut is just 5% increase instead of 8%. This time around, we’ll see dramatic cuts, only because the increases in spending were so dramatic. No doubt Ryan’s plan has little chance of getting through even a Republican Senate, but I’d be thrilled right now if we could get back to 2007 spending before the Dems took the House and started destroying the economy.
2007 was still too much to please me, but it would be infinitely superior to the profligacy of Pres. Obama.
Just so you know, the San Diego Temple ARCHITECT – is Jewish. the interior designer is catholic.
the most odious people in the GOP, moderates, endorse him.
Is Tom Coburn a moderate? is Christine O’Donnell a moderate? Is Jeb Bush a moderate? What about Dan Quayle? John Thune? Jeff Flake? Jan Brewer?
If I took you people seriously I’d have to believe that 80% of the GOP, including many of its most conservative members, are “moderates”.
Coburn wanted to hold hands with Schumer at the State of the Union. Jeb Bush said the era of Reagan was over, then walked it back, then said some other moderate nonsense, then walked it back. O’Donnell? She’s a woman, she thinks Romney is handsome. Brewer? She’s in a Mormon state.
One of these days, America may realize that these Harvaard asses are over rated, or not.
Perhaps an update would be helpful with comments from Sen. Read (the Mormon) All this talk about how Mormons will comport themselves in government when there is already some of those strange critters there in DC to explain.
Mike
The three highest profile Mormons are Harry Reid, Mitt Romney and Glen Beck. Notice how they agree with each other on everything? Notice how they vote in lockstep and have no individual political ideals, after all they’re brainwashed cultists? Oh wait…Reid is a Democrat and Majority Leader in the Senate. Beck is a pundit/talk show host who leans libertarian and is well to the right of both Reid and Romney. Romney is fairly middle-of-the-road, what they call center-right. I guess they don’t agree with each other on everything after all! Could it be that Mormons think for themselves? Could it be that the LDS church teaches: “For behold, it is not meet that I should command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant; wherefore he receiveth no reward. Very I say, men should be anxiously engaged in a good cause, and do many things of their own free will, and bring to pass much righteousness; For the power is in them, wherein they are agents unto themselves. And inasmuch as men do good they shall in nowise lose their reward.” (Doctrine & Covenants 58: 26-28) Add to that “For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.” (Book of Mormon/2 Nephi 25:23)
It is up to the individual to build a relationship with Christ, and each has to figure it out and do what he or she thinks best. I think Reid is wrong on every count, and can’t imagine how he can tell his Bishop that he is honest in his dealings with his fellow men. However, thank heaven it’s not my job; he has to work out his own salvation with fear and trembling. His conscience answers only to God. Romney and Beck have the same responsibility, and obviously the differences can be extreme.
It’s a shame people give in and explain themselves about anything so private as religion. Were the same demands made of the pests who accuse them – calling them names like ‘cult’, not accepting their answers or even presuming their honesty – they would quickly cry victim and be running to civil rights lawyers.
“He certainly appears to lead a virtuous private life, but Mitt Romney’s Mormon faith is likely to keep a low profile as president.”
But don’t you worry. After Saturday Night Live and every other far-left standup comic is through with Romney, he will seem like the devil himself, no matter how good a person he is. That’s the only weapon the far left has against decent people. They have to either demonize them or make them look like idiots. Just look at what they did to Sarah Palin in 2008, and she had to be one of the finest women around. Nope, after the far left got through with her, they made her out to be an airhead, a bimbo, and even a slut. Nice to know that liberals tolerate all sorts of things, except people who disagree with them. And if they disagree with them, then they have to be crushed by the liberal mainstream media.
That’s why I miss Adrew Breitbart. He refused to let this happen. He fought the mainstream media on its own terms and won. I just hope we have a leader who can do that again in this upcoming election.
TEA PARTY SALAFI
Wow! You sound like members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints should watch out for their very lives. It’s odd that preachers can stand up at the pulpit and call members of the LDS Church all these names and then wonder how someone crazy like “salafi” repeats the same words.
Your hatred is any Christian! You sound demented!
Come to a conference in Salt Lake City and you will see them with megaphones shouting at members, with their children going into conference, and screaming the most horrible things at them. They call brides coming out of the Temple after their marriage whores and worse. They drag the Book of Mormon (which is another witness for Christ) through the dirt and dare us to fight them. Of course the ucla lawyers are with them to make sure their free speech is respected.
On a happier note, Salt Lake is opening City Creek mall (the only one in the country to open this year) this morning in the middle of Salt Lake that is absolutely wonderful – fountains designed by the same designer as the Belagio (not sure of spelling) and with a river running through the mall, great stores including Tiffanys. I can’t wait. You are all invited to come and enjoy.
Ohmygoodness- really? shaming new brides? picketing? That’s horrible! Who is doing that? That’s terrible!!!!
I am so sorry that you endure that. From the bottom of my heart, I wish you nothing but joy as you go about your days.
Expat, just out of curiosity, would you happen to have any links to video or stories about what you’ve described?
I’ll try and get back to you. I’ve seen it, I’ve heard it, I’ve been there. A Hispanic member who was so disgusted that he pulled the “majic underwear” from a person waving it around, spent a couple of days in jail.
However, I am at work, so I’m not sure my computer will let me search. If not I will do it tonight.
DPeterson: try this http://www.fairlds.org/authors/wyatt-allen/anti-mormon-protesters-at-the-april-2003-lds-general-conference
Some have videos, but I am blocked at work from looking at them. So here is another one:
http://www.fairlds.org/authors/wyatt-allen/anti-mormon-protesters-at-the-october-2011-lds-general-conference
Dpeterson, its a common occurence. They also shout and protest in New York during an outdoor pageant the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints puts on every year in the summer. The same thing happens in SLC during the LDS conferences. Its no secret.
Expat and Sutterbean:
As you’ve probably gathered, I’m not a Mormon and I disagree with tenants of your faith, but I find myself embarrassed looking at these pictures. Disagreement is one thing, even preaching what one believes to be the gospel–but this is something else entirely. It’s just plain rude, it’s as bad as throwing around condoms during a Catholic Mass, and no Christians of any stripe should engage in such.
On the other hand, I’m sure that it’s made you much more receptive to believing in other versions of the Christian faith (\sarcasm)…
Arrgh again. I keep forgetting to put my name in.
It happens all the time. I’ve been subjected to it myself, and especially at General Conference time (coming up next week) there are these crazed people screaming and threatening those that just wish to attend in peace and quiet.
I’m sure YouTube has a few examples.
You really need to get your sarcasm meter calibrated.
Your hatred anti Christian, not any Christian.
Just a quick correction – you can drink caffeine and be in full fellowship in the church. For some reason, rumors swirl regarding it, but you will find standard Coke/Pepsi at many church activities.
But not coffee or tea!
Yes, but the Caffeine thing tends to be a Utah-Mormon cultural thing, and not any actual point of doctrine.
Have you read the Word of Wisdom?
Have you?
For you, good sir:
http://www.lds.org/new-era/2008/04/to-the-point/is-there-anything-wrong-with-drinking-sodas-with-caffeine-in-them-is-caffeine-bad-the-word-of-wisdom-doesnt-mention-it?lang=eng&query=caffeine
I asked a temple-going Mormon friend of mine about that once. His answer was interesting:
“We really don’t know why.”
Yeah I bet…especially since Mormons OWN Pepsi.
Before any of you go anf vote for Mr. Romney, you may want to have a gander at this though:
http://www.forerunner.com/blog/islam-and-mormonism-kissin-cousins
You might change your mind.
and as white tiger, lolly, and several others would say, it’s not the religion (or how it originated) its the race.
You may want to do some research about that old “Mormons own Pepsi” urban legend. You wouldn’t want to sound, you know, stupid or anything….
For every program that Christ establishes, Satan establishes a (demonic) mirror image. I would no more become a Muslim than fly unassisted to the moon. I believe their brand of religion truly is anti-Christ; you can tell from the troubles it causes the world and their lack of progress.
Never trust the Mormons. Sure, they may look polite and well mannered, sure they make great coworkers and neighbors.
But if you turn your back on one for a second, even once!
They will walk right up to you in the parking lot and give you back the wallet you left at the restaurant.
SATAN!
I was hurrying up the Via Dolorosa one fine Sunday afternoon, trying to catch up with the tour guide, and a Moslem man, sitting in front of a store, pulled on my wrist. I looked around expecting a beggar, but he was just letting me know that a 20 dollar bill was hanging out of my pocket, about to fall out.
I thought it was pretty nice of him.
Mormons are cult-like. They treat all others as ‘outsiders’ who are not fellow Mormons. They also have a very high suicide rate. My brother-in-law committed suicide after he remarried and was seemingly ‘happy’ with his ‘new’ Mormon wife.
When my sister was caught up and married into the Mormon cult, she became very reclusive and secretive about her so-called ‘religion’ and ‘magic undies’.
Anyway, I think all organized ‘religion’ is bull pucky. I make my peace with God as my father and Jesus as my savior every day in my heart. I don’t need a stinkin’ ‘church’ or ‘religion’ to tell me how to believe.
Do you have a source for that ‘very high suicide rate’?
As for reclusive and secretive, have you asked a Mormon about the Church? Often times you’ll get more information than you ever wanted if you actually ask about it.
Perhaps it depends on who you ask; like it does for any other subject in existence. Some people will talk your ear off, others prefer to keep quiet.
And if that is your reaction to her conversion, is it any surprise she didn’t go out of her way to talk to you about it? Really, now.
Here you go:
http://www.lifeafter.org/mormonsuicide.asp
Your source speaks for itself, statistics not withstanding.
Ceatris, my sister quit the Mormon church years ago after her divorce. She now fully acknowledges that it was a cult and her son is a Christian missionary who tries to minister to Mormons to leave the cult.
I’m not saying Mormons are bad people, they are just lost and clueless.
Please remember, the Church does not own the state of Utah. Utah is not governed by th dictates of the LDS church. So just because Utah has a high suicide rate, does not mean it comes from their religion. Heck, it could be because they live in a desert. I might have suicidal thoughts from that. Correlation does not prove causality (to throw some old-fashioned science into things)
“anyways, I’m not saying Mormons are bad people, only that they are lost and clueless” Which means she doesn’t think they are bad people, just stupid.
“Anyway, I think all organized ‘religion’ is bull pucky.”
That sentence says all you need to know about Dela’s post. He’s way too enlightened to go to church like some of us lower life forms.
So you have all this data showing how bad Mormonism is. Why don’t you go Catholic, or Baptist? How about Methodist, Church of England, Seventh Day Adventist…. Surely there’s some church out there somewhere that meets your personal standards. Why don’t you start one and show us all the right way?
Mark, I don’t need a leader other than GOD, Jesus and the Holy Ghost. I only need the trinity to lead me. I don’t need a ‘man’ or ‘woman’ to lead me.
Why do you feel you need to be ‘lead’ by a ‘church’ or ‘religion’ in order to feel fully ‘Christian’ or compelled to follow what is in the Bible?
SMDH
I guess because I’m just not as big a person as you are….
You consider the Bible to be worthy of your attention, but practically all of that book was given to one prophet or anohter. Consider Moses, Abraham, Ezekiel, Noah, etc. etc. Even Jesus Christ is considered to be a prophet. There would be very little in the Bible were it not for such people.
Fast forward to today–Mormons believe the need for a prophet is greater than ever. But that’s a minor point–God apparently has decided mankind needs a prophet easily as much as in the ancient times of Abraham, Moses, and others.
So he selected Joseph Smith as the first prophet in this last dispensation–and had him translate the Book of Mormon, which is a record of an ancient people living on the American continent around the time of the Bible and far more correct. In addition, there have been other writings considered by members to be authentic scripture from God. The LDS church currently has a prophet leading–continuing the tradition of prophets since Joseph Smith was martyred for his beliefs–the current prophet is Thomas S. Monson.
But the secret to the church is not that it’s a “cult”; the secret is that you too can find out whether it’s true by study and prayer. God still answers prayers just as he now talks to LDS prophets. This I know of my own introspection and experience.
there must be a typo – the author of the comment must have meant a very LOW suicide rate, for that is the truth.
You are an ingnorant person who blames other’s misery as well as their happiness on something you obviously know nothing about. That’s usually the case with most bigots.
You’re right, like Obama, Romney was for high gas prices, more small fuel efficient cars, more rapid transit, before he was against high gas prices. According to that flip flopping Flim-Flam etch a sketch suit, the era of cheap energy is over and Americans need to be weened off the fossil fuel teat–”Heavens to Murgatroyd,” it’s shades of Van Jones and Chairman Chu at the Energy Department! Thankfully neither party has a monolithic monopoly on insipid idiots in their base, and the base generally is reflected in their Stepford males cultural elite.
A very informative post. C-Span ran a panel discussion of Mormonism and Politics in America this past week – @ Boston College – a thoughtful discussion I highly recommend. One of the panel participants discussed at length why some christians still believe Mormonism fails the basic test regarding the christian faith – and it’s not some toothless hillbilly bias – (go there and listen – it’s worth the search).
Living here in Phoenix there were recent political events on the ground – the Recall of former senate President Russell Pearce – that brought Mormon politics into sharp focus. Pearce is indesputably the staunchest supporter of tough immigration enforcment – having helped designed and author both SB1070 and the earlier employer sanctions law. He is likewise Mormon and represented Legislative District 18 (since redrawn) – a small district in Mesa – with a very high Mormon population.
As a Pearce supporter it was distressing to watch how Mormons in that district were willing to join forces with the professional left in what was a very nasty recall effort – that – when running a novice fellow Mormon (Jerry Lewis) coupled with the ability to draw out Democrats proved enough to defeat Pearce.
[Pearce has since been elected head of the state-wide Republican Party - and just this past Sat announce he will again run for his State Senate seat back - in his new district]
Anyone familar with the ‘Utah pact’ – the immigration stance taken by the LDS Church – it’s not far off the original ‘comprehensive reform’ being pushed by everyone from the Archbishop of LA to Obama himself. The same division propelled Mormons to help a couple of union lawyers here ‘topple’ Pearce.
To be honest – this was an eye opening event for me. Before this I had never met a Mormon (including my neighbor) I didn’t like and admire. But the way the community savaged a personal hero of mine – following the debacle of Prop 8 in California – has made me rethink my former natural affiliation.
The Huntsman campaign likewise.
I was left with the impression that this family – not just the candidate but his very successful and thus wealthy father as well – specifically ran against Romney for entirely religious reasons; namely, to establish the Huntsmans as ‘first family’ in the faith.
What was particularly galling about J. Huntsman was he (or his campaign minions) went on every outlet possible to trash the Entire Party – not just Romney – be it MSNBC or Charlie Rose or you name it. His entire platform was lock step ‘No Lables’ or ‘American Elect’ bi-partisan pablem – basically echoing the media narrative that the Republican Party has disintigrated into fuming radical factions – and thus is too discredited to be trusted to rule…..unless of course it wakes up and chooses him to lead it.
To echo Libertyship – Romney has tried valiantly to keep his religion low profile – but it is about to get the full frontial Palinesque assault via the MSM. Before this year is out we – come hook or come crook – will know more about Mormonism than ever.
One only hopes that there are thoughtful civil folks to help steer the discussion like there was this past week at Boston College – instead of just opposition research paid hitmen talking heads.
I had no idea that Jerry Lewis was a Mormon!
(OK, I’m sorry, I’ll just go stand in the corner with a paper bag over my head until you need me…)
Now you just quit! ; )
I lived in Pearce’s district at the time in question, and I have no idea what you’re talking about when you say ‘the community’ savaged him. I assume you mean the Mormon community, rather than Mesa. I never heard anyone of authority in the Church say word one about him, and it wouldn’t matter if I had. I saw a few guys on TV bad mouthing him, but they spoke only for themselves. None of it had any effect on me; I didn’t vote for Lewis. Even if a Bishop or Stake President gives a political opinion, it is not binding on anyone, not even the members of his Ward or Stake. Find a prominent Mormon and get his opinion, by all means, but don’t expect any other Mormons to care what he has to say.
Get serious. Besides op-ed pages opened for one self-proclaimed Mormon lawyer, the only newspaper we endure in Phoenix has conducted an ongoing campaign against Russell Pearce ever since first earning office.
…”Even if a Bishop or Stake President gives a political opinion, it is not binding on anyone, not even the members of his Ward or Stake. Find a prominent Mormon and get his opinion, by all means, but don’t expect any other Mormons to care what he has to say.”
We are all adults here. Several blogs posted numerous recordings (Sonora Alliance/Expresso Pundit ect) some even of church meetings. It was not a pretty picture RN. Indeed, it was a far far different picture from the commercials the church is now running after the Prop 8 debacle promoting their diversity.
What I saw in the ‘get Russell’ campaign was a total lack of church leadership. Period. But as stated, I support Pearce and admire what he’s done. He’s not just the first legislator ever recalled in Arizona, to me and those like me he’s the first one REMOVED FOR BEING AN EFFECTIVE REP AND SENATE PRESIDENT WHO DID EXACTLY WHAT HE PROMISED TO DO WHEN GETTING ELECTED.
And it was a nasty filthy undemocratic event pulled off by professional leftists – with the help of some LDS in the district.
Then again I don’t live in LD18 and couldn’t vote. That said, he was my Senate president. So there is that.
Also, I wasn’t living in Arizona when the last Mormon to get recalled, Evan Meacham, was booted out of the Governors mansion.
(Although I did learn a bit about that as Russell was thus mistreated)
Time will tell whether others besides myself are more reluctant to trust the Mormon community as they did prior – politically speaking. And it’ won’t be a long wait.
Beside how Russell fares, the campaigns of Flake and Salmon will serve as litmus. For better or worse they will be dealing with the fallout, which is real, fair or not.
As for your assertion of diversity of opinon and thought in your faith – I’m protestant, and was once married to a Jew, so I ain’t buying it RN. In fact the Mormons I’ve met proudly and openly assert just the opposite. They haven’t felt the need to venture into St. Thomas let alone Thomas Merton to better understand me nor expect anything of me likewise.
But they happily cop to being a very tight knit and INSULAR community.
[Which just might explain why SOME in that community are a bit tone deaf when it comes to making clumsy political MISTAKES!]
Most leaders in the LSD church, starting with bishops but working up through stake presidents and other regional and certainly general authorities, are very careful not to make specific pronouncements regarding politics, unless it happens to be in an area where morality is the primary question–for example Prop. 8 in California.
Mormons are going to matter, not because of the number of votes, but because Romney doesn’t have a lot of grass-roots support in the GOP. The Mormons are going to be the doorbell ringers and phone bank operators in this campaign. They’re going to make up for the lack of enthusiasm on the part of the Tea Party element of the GOP.
Watch and learn.
And yes, Romney is the nominee. Get over it.
Romney has just as much Tea party support as Santorum or Gingrich do, perhaps a little more.
“Thanks Mr. for this informative “Mormon propaganda” public relations message! LOL!
Mr. Reddy’s essay today, sans citations or references (unfortunately), is nonetheless mostly accurate (the minor details it gets “wrong” are sins of omission more than commission). Beholden to PJM’s secular prescription for publication, Mr. Reddy’s essay also intentionally omits any details on Mormonism’s theology, which explains why so many Commenters have expressed either a) ignorance over the many contradictions between Mormon and biblical theologies or b) false claims about Mormon theology (which, like most Islamic Comments here and elsewhere, are almost always unreferenced).
Mr. Reddy’s essay, therefore, was exactly what it claimed to be — a Mormon POLITICAL profile. But the concerns many PJM readers have about Mitt Romney has less to do with his political and economic beliefs and more to do with his theological beliefs. For those readers (including Nobody Important), everything temporal and worldly is secondary to everything eternal and heavenly. We may not be a majority in either Romney’s political party or PJM’s readership (certainly we are not a majority among PJM’s contributorship) but that is how we interpret the intellect and values of people who will represent our intellect and values in the court of public policy making. A person unconcerned with the data-driven (i.e. scientific, historical and Scriptural) facts of eternal matters is, in our opinion, unlikely to be very concerned with the data-driven facts of domestic and foreign policy issues.
We will not be voting for any candidate simply because he (or she) is most likely to be victorious against Barack Obama (though we certainly will not vote for Obama either — for the very same reasons will not be voting for Mitt Romney). We will be voting for whoever indicates he or she first has an data-driven (evidential) grasp on the realities of eternal and spiritual matters so that we can trust their data-driven grasp on the realities of political and social matters.
Readers interested in examining the critical contradictions between Mormonism and biblical Christianity are invited to visit Another Slow News Day’s blog page devoted to those contradictions (the requisite scientific, historical and Scriptural data are embedded in the textual hyperlinks).
http://anotherslownewsday.wordpress.com/mormonism/
Readers interested in examining the REFERENCED political record of Mitt Romney are invited to visit Another Slow News Day’s blog page devote to that topic as well.
http://anotherslownewsday.wordpress.com/mitt-romney/
Dozens of additional, topically-collated pages of referenced scientific, historical and Scriptural data (many of them from peer-reviewed specialty journals) are available to ASND visitors from the branches of the Update Topics menu tree.
Yep. Interesting, informative, and useful.
it’s always amazing to me just how misinformed most people are about the mormon church. in addition, ‘mainstream’ christianity is a pretty hazy definition & didn’t even used to incl catholics. what about protestant demoninations that authorize gay clergy, gay marriage, female clergy, etc.? where are the biblical foundations for that? speaking of which, ever seen how many versions of the bible there are? even the king james version is a translation of a translation. protestant demoninations split off each other all the time due to personal or doctrinal conflicts. the anglican church is still petitioning the catholic church to recognize their priesthood. it’s not like ‘mainstream’ christianity is some solid doctrinal bloc. why then all the different demoninations & sects?
even so, i think most ‘christians’ have a lot more in common than they differ on. i think most hold conservative principles dear such as the traditional family unit, hard work & self-sufficiency, honesty, kindness to their fellow man, respect for the principle of man’s free agency, respect for life, etc..
i believe there were several founding fathers who were not ‘mainstream’ incl thomas jefferson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_and_religion. i can remember when people were leery of voting for a catholic. how do they feel about jfk now? my point is that romney’s faith shouldn’t matter that much to ‘mainstream’ christians. the fact remains that he’s a very talented man with a track record of success that is stunning. have a look at ann coulter’s last few columns to get the straight story on his record of governance.
i consider myself very conservative and in my considered opinion, pres. romney will make conservatives proud.
Hey, for everyone out there considering the question of whether or not Mormons are “really Christians,” try a broader historical perspective and look at it this way:
Mormonism is to Protestant Christianity as Christianity is to Judaism (sort of). Think about it: a complete reinterpretation of ancient scripture, and the accompanying way of life, in the light of a brand-new scripture that its new followers insist is divine and the original community refuses to accept.
The only thing that means anything to me is that “The Book of Mormon” is a way-more-fun show than “Jesus Christ Superstar,” and has better tunes…
sorry, that should read ‘denomination’. i’m not much of a typer. missed it. haha.
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Anyone, but anyone who will accept and believe that female acquistion is the way and the road to paradise, is not of the Christian belief.
They are pagans and have no share in the Way that has been prepared for the gentiles. They are filled with deceit and lust is their guide.
Whoa, willow–really hung up on the female collection thing, eh?
I’m trying to reconcile what you’re saying with Mormon theology and I have to say: You’ve got a bunch of wires crossed. You should really see a therapist. (I’d suggest some Mormon missionaries but you’re probably past that point.)
Should Mormons become Democrats again so that those who call themselves Christians don’t have to be associated with those icky people and their Joe Smith cult?
Hey jetboy, I guess you never watch the Mormon Tabernacle Choir! Could you really call those people icky? We are used to a lot of names and a lot of falsehoods about us. We even had an extermination order against us by the Gov of Missouri, so all your little half truths (above) and lies just seem to make us stronger. Funny thing how the LDS Church grows and grows. If you can get a hold of talks at our conference in a week and a half, then tell me that we don’t love and worship Christ.
Also, you are welcome to come and watch the show outside of the Confernce Center – it’s loud and obnoxious. We are advised to leave them and not engage, it’s pretty hard when they drag a B of M through the dirt and invite you to fight them.
Mother, read what I said again. It wasn’t a comment, but a question directed toward those who seem so determined to vilify. I really want to know if they want Mormons to leave the Republican party.
Mother of
It is not at all unusual for numbers to grow. Female acquistion is a big drawing card. Look at Islam with their sex slaves.
Look at the porn industry. Look at prostitution and the entire sex industry.
Simply put … beliefs using the female as a drawing card is immoral. Even if it does draw lots of numbers. The daughters were not meant to be the bargaining chips of paradise or sex objects.
No, thanks. Communism and Mormonism are polar opposites. And Democrats appear to be running towards communism via the socialist road (we can thank Soros, the Tides Foundation, Mr. Strong and others) about as fast as they can.
I’m still wondering how my kids and their kids are going to pay for the debt both parties have racked up the past 40 years here in the US.
And that’s why I support Romney–not because of his religion, but because if ANYBODY can get the US back on it’s proper economic track, he’s the man.
The LDS or Mormon religion is really silly, they believe god is an exalted man from a planet somewhere in the universe, who had physical intercourse with Mary producing Jesus, thus it seems Jesus is the result of out of marriage fornication and Jesus a illegitimate bastard
How an intelligent man like Mitt Romney can believe such rubbish beats me. Read up on Mormon doctrine if you dont believe me
Alan
sometimes i wonder about people. female acquisition? jesus is illegitimate? how do people even dream that stuff up? funny how people are so willing to attack others without being properly informed and yet are unwilling to examine or are unaware of their own biases & contradictions.
geez. read my post above.
i don’t think i’ll bother posting again. i’m reminded of that saying:
‘never argue with an idiot. he’ll drag u down to his level, then beat u with experience.’
It’s true you should never go into a battle of wits when the other side is unarmed. It’s just so not fair.
I think that everyone feels like religions other than their own are silly or have foolish parts. Remember that others probably feel the same about yours.
Faith, though, is believing what you can not see.
Howard Gottlieb
http://www.easy-fundraising-ideas.com/programs/church-fundraising-ideas/
I feel creepy just reading these nasty comments. I feel like I am not in america. You sound like people
from a different planet. I have never even met anyone in my life that spews such hate as some of you
posting on here.
I had better get off of this blog, I may catch your disease.
I’ve been doing a fair amount of reading (“honest, boss! I’m working, just doing some research”) on “anti-Mormon”. Let’s stipulate something: there is genuine anti-Mormon bigotry. There are people who hate and have contempt for Mormons basically because they exist. Not that this needs to be said, but it’s just plain wrong.
But, I have a question: am I “anti-Mormon”? I’ve talked to missionaries and “just folks” Mormons, I’ve actually read the Book of Mormon, and I have an educated layman’s understanding of Mormonism. But–I don’t believe that Joesph Smith was a prophet, I don’t believe that the Book of Mormon is Scripture, and I think with reason that there are some significant differences between historical Christianity and Mormon beliefs. I don’t go picking fights (any more…I was once young and dumb) but if the subject comes up I express my beliefs.
So…am I “anti-Mormon”?
It is tiresome that people who, when confronted with very unpleasant truths often go on the racist, bigot, hate accusing, attacks.
Don’t play fake victim to me. The real victims are the young girls in Utah forced to marry old men. And there are plenty of them subjected to this.
If some man shows up and tells other men, god wants them to have 37 wives, then it is most evident, that lust is the leader. It does not take rocket science to fiqure that one out.
But that would mean looking at the problem with facts instead of accusations.
Waterwillows:
Are you making any distinction between the “official” LDS Church amd what have been called “fundamentalist” Mormons when you make these statements about “old men” and “young girls”? I was under the impression that the standard LDS church frowns on such things.
Gee I’m glad you told me. Just this year my scripture study is the New Testament. Good to know Mormons don’t read the Bible, especially since last years study was the Old Testament.
Good also to know that my Mormon husband and son didn’t fight for their country, when they joined the Navy and Air Force respectively. Good also to know that paying my taxes along with my tithes gives people like you the opportunity to belittle my patriotism, my faith in God and my abiding love of country.
Good to know that my 6, that’s right 6 children who work, go to school, and pay taxes helps to keep people like you, no matter how ignorant and hatefilled, safe at night.
I don’t think others religions are silly or foolish. I like the vast majority of my faith believe that everyone has a right to believe what they darn well please. We send missionaries to invite everyone to come unto Christ. If you don’t want to we go away and try not to bother you again.
It’s been revealing the last 8 years to see how truly intolerant some people are. We Mormons don’t have to look to the left for vitriol and hate, all we have to do is look to the right. To the people whose values we agree with, to people who have the same ideals we do, to people who are supposed to believe in the same God, the same Savior and the same Holy Spirit that we do. The ones from the Bible. The one who was born in Bethlehem of the virgin Mary, who died on the cross at Calvary and rose three days later.
That’s the Christ I believe in. I’m sorry it’s not the same one you do. I wonder which one of us will be disappointed on the other side.
No, ma’am, not the same at all. Not even close.
Same names, VERY different in every other possible way.
I do see you have one thing in common with most mainstream Christians:
You used minced oaths quite freely.
Yes, I do think that there are religions that a much worse than just silly or foolish. They are downright evil. And I do not hide my head under a pillow for fear of acknowledging the facts.
Nor do I deny that people do have the right to believe as they choose. But there is a limit when others are made to suffer for this ‘right’. Nor will I allow the pc tyranny of acceptance of inflicted suffering on others to go unchallenged.
When a belief is in the good and the right, they have nothing to hide or fear from critique or challenges. Christians deal with this ‘inspection’ on a daily basis and their faith meets and exceeds the challenge.
But the belief that female acquistion of the daughers is acceptabe to the Throne is not true and does cause much unnecessary suffering. And to work for the general acceptance of this kind of suffering builds into the world the very opposite of the Lord’s intentions and purposes. It does not make it right that men flock in large numbers to error. It just compounds it.
Nor do I deny that people of error do not make moderate citizens of the world. But at present, they are not in full control … are they?
Should there come a time that their agendas of error are in control, do not be thinking of any utopia on earth. Think instead of hell on earth.
All humans should speak out against oppression of others. Especially oppression of women, of which the world is too long, too silent.
If Romney was not a big gov. guy (and had some sort of moral foundation- a Mormon pro-homosexual guy = something like a goldfish who insists on swimming in bourbon) I might even vote for him. But if he gets in and continues with the insane B.G. agenda, which we knoooow he won’t, wink, wink, shake the etch-o-sketch, the collapse WILL come and it will be … wait for it, wait for it …. the REPUBLICANS’ FAULT! YEEEEEAAAAA!!!! And the socialist crowd goes wild!!!!
No sir, I don’t mince words. I use them with deliberation. I don’t swear, nor do I allow filth in my mind or my home. I do however have, unfortunately a temper. It is something I strive very hard to control but your blatant dismissal of my belief in Jesus Christ makes me furious. I have had it with intolerant, self righteous, people who are more than willing to watch as the country spirals down the toilet just to maintain their personal conviction that they and only they are right.
So as you read the scriptures tonight (as I assume you do, since you are so knowledgeable about what “real” Christians believe) I suggest you ponder this one.
Matt 7: 12 12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Maybe the next time you won’t be so blase and cavalier about other peoples beliefs ……..or maybe you’ll be a schlemiel.
What has Jesue to do with the acquistion of females? How does multiplying women set them free? How does justifying and white washing lust make for a firm foundation? Which ‘prophet’ of the mormons has ever gone up to build the wall?
Jesus told us that He always does the will of the Father. He is the Way to the Father and we are to follow the Way. Is it not of the Father Himself, who will do the separating of sheep, cattle, etc….
There is no thanks and no reward waiting for those who push the agenda of female aquistion. It is the path that leads ‘directly away’ from the Way that was prepared for the nations.
The mormon belief is not the only belief that claims that multiplying women is mandated from the Throne. The daughters are not here to be herded as objects.
Those who do so and accept it as so, build for themselves, the very oppression that they desired to inflict on others. Even your quote tells you so.
Their path to understanding right from wrong and what IS acceptable to the Most High, is harder, longer and more bitter than following the Way that was prepared for the nations.
This is the time of choosing. The time of the gentiles is over. The books of deceit will not be of any use to anyone, except as a hindrance to themselves.
The daughters are equal and were created equal right from the beginning. Any who rob the daughters of their lawful rights; rob themselves and bring to themselves, that which they inflicted on them.
Jesus has nothing to do with robbery. He is no thief in the night.
I see no mention that more anti-depressants are sold in Utah than any other state.
If anything is said critical of the LDS church, those who say it are bigots. Okay, I get it. That’s how Romney’s supporters online are going to try and shut down the rest of us who oppose him because he is a liberal without principles.
I get it.
You just start screaming anti-Mormon bias, and how perfect Romney and his perfect family is, and we’re to shut up and be thankful that he is anointed to be the one to take on the one.
Sorry, but there are a heck of a lot of us out here in Republican land who aren’t buying it.
SJR
The Pink Flamingo
I would not point to Jon Huntsman as a Mormon. He still identifies as a Mormon, but does not live as one. Unlike Mitt Romney, Jon Huntsman does not hold a temple recommend and has little to do with the Mormon church.
Just like the vast majority of Blacks voted for Obama, you can be sure the vast majority of mormons will vote for Romney. It doesn’t matter what stripe the candidate is, mormons are notorious for block voting. I guess that’s just a fact of human nature from the minority’s point of view.
Sometimes I wish a candidate of the Jehovah Witnesses faith would join in just to make it even more entertaining. But, alas, due to their doctrine, we won’t have the privilige of ever scrutinizing their candidate’s belief. Oh well.
Read this and then think again about this cult
Questions are a great way to witness to Mormons. Most cultists will turn you off if you begin to preach to them, however, asking questions gives them hope that you are genuinely interested in learning more about their religion. It also is a great way to get them thinking about things they may have never thought about and researching into the false teachings of their church. Questions are great seed-planters that the Holy Spirit can make grow in their hearts and minds and, ultimately, lead them to Christ. They are also great conversation starters. The questions below are grouped into 4 different categories.
Mormon Prophets
1. Why does the Mormon Church still teach that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God after he made a false prophecy about a temple being built in Missouri in his generation (Doctrine and Covenants 84:1-5)?
2. Since the time when Brigham Young taught that both the moon and the sun were inhabited by people, has the Mormon Church ever found scientific evidence of that to be true (Journal of Discourses, 1870, v.13, p.271)?
3. Why did Brigham Young teach that Adam is “our Father and our God” when both the Bible and the Book of Mormon (Mormon 9:12) say that Adam is a creation of God (Journal of Discourses, Apr. 9, 1852, vol.1, p.50)?
4. If Brigham Young was a true prophet, how come one of your later prophets overturned his declaration which stated that the black man could never hold the priesthood in the LDS Church until after the resurrection of all other races (Journal of Discourses, Dec. 12, 1854, 2:142-143)?
5. Since the Bible’s test to determine whether someone is a true prophet of God is 100% accuracy in all his prophecies (Deuteronomy 18:20-22), has the LDS Church ever reconsidered its teaching that Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were true prophets?
6. Since the current LDS prophets sometimes contradict the former ones, how do you decide which one is correct?
7. Since there are several different contradictory accounts of Joseph Smith’s first vision, how did the LDS Church choose the correct one?
8. Can you show me in the Bible the LDS teaching that we must all stand before Joseph Smith on the Day of Judgment?
Mormon Scripture
9. Can you show me archeological and historical proof from non-Mormon sources that prove that the peoples and places named in the Book of Mormon are true?
10. If the words “familiar spirit” in Isaiah 29:4 refer to the Book of Mormon, why do familiar spirits always refer to occult practices such as channeling and necromancy everywhere else in the Old Testament?
11. Why did Joseph Smith condone polygamy as an ordinance from God (Doctrine and Covenants 132) when the Book of Mormon had already condemned the practice (Jacob 1:15, 2:24)?
12. Why were the words “white and delightsome” in 2 Nephi 30:6 changed to “pure and delightsome” right on the heels of the Civil Rights campaign for blacks?
13. If God is an exalted man with a body of flesh and bones, why does Alma 18:26-28 and John 4:24 say that God is a spirit?
14. Why did God encourage Abraham & Sarah to lie in Abraham 2:24? Isn’t lying a sin according to the 10 commandments? Why did God tell Abraham and Sarah to lie when 2 Nephi 9:34 condemns liars to hell?
15. Why does the Book of Mormon state that Jesus was born in Jerusalem (Alma 7:10) when history and the Bible state that he was born outside of Jerusalem, in Bethlehem?
16. If the Book of Mormon is the most correct of any book on earth, as Joseph Smith said, why does it contain over 4000 changes from the original 1830 edition?
17. If the Book of Mormon contains the “fulness of the everlasting gospel”, why does the LDS Church need additional works?
18. If the Book of Mormon contains the “fulness of the everlasting gospel”, why doesn’t it say anything about so many important teachings such as eternal progression, celestial marriage, the Word of Wisdom, the plurality of Gods, the pre-existence of man, our mother in heaven, baptism for the dead, etc?
19. Why do you baptize for the dead when both Mosiah 3:25 and the Bible state that there is no chance of salvation after death?
20. Since the word grace means a free gift that can’t be earned, why does the Book of Mormon state “for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do” (2 Nephi 25:23)?
21. Does the LDS Church still regard the Pearl of Great Price as Holy Scripture even after several prominent Egyptologists proved it was an ancient funeral scroll?
22. Why does the Book of Abraham, chapters 4 & 5, contradict Alma 11 in stating that there is more than one God?
23. Why does Doctrine and Covenants 42:18 say there is no forgiveness for a murderer when 3 Nephi 30:2 says there is forgiveness for him?
24. If the Adam-God doctrine isn’t true, how come Doctrine and Covenants 27:11 calls Adam the Ancient of Days which is clearly a title for God in Daniel chapter 7?
25. Why does the Book of Mormon contain extensive, word-for-word quotes from the Bible if the LDS Church is correct in teaching that the Bible has been corrupted?
26. Why do the Bible verses quoted in the Book of Mormon contain the italicized words from the King James Version that were added into the KJV text by the translators in the 16th and 17th centuries?
27. If the Book of Mormon was engraved on gold plates thousands of years ago, why does it read in perfect 1611 King James Version English?
More,
8. If marriage is essential to achieve exaltation, why did Paul say that it is good for a man not to marry (1 Corinthians 7:1)?
29. Since the Word of Wisdom teaches us to abstain from alcohol, why did Paul encourage Timothy to drink wine for his stomach (1 Timothy 5:23)?
30. If obeying the Word of Wisdom – which tells us to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and tobacco – is important for our exaltation, why did Jesus say that there is nothing that can enter a man to make him defiled (Mark 7:15)?
31. If Jesus is the Jehovah of the Old Testament and Elohim is referred to as God in the Old Testament, can you explain Deuteronomy 6:4 to me: “Hear, O Israel: the LORD (Jehovah) our God (Elohim) is one LORD (Jehovah)?
32. Why does the Mormon Church teach that we can be married in heaven when Jesus said in Matthew 22:30 that in the resurrection men neither marry, nor are they given in marriage?
33. How can worthy Mormon males become Gods in the afterlife when God already said that before him no God was formed, nor will there be any Gods formed after him (Isaiah 43:10)?
34. If God had a father who was a God, how come Isaiah 44:8 says that he doesn’t know him?
35. If God was once just a man who progressed to becoming a God, how do you explain Psalm 90:2: “…even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God”?
36. How can God be an exalted man when Numbers 23:19 says that God is not a man?
37. Why does the Mormon Church teach that Elohim had sexual relations with Mary to produce Jesus when both Matthew and Luke teach she was a virgin (The Seer, January, 1853, p.158)?
38. Why does the LDS Church teach that Jesus paid for our sins in the garden of Gethsemane when 1 Peter 2:24 says it was on the cross?
39. Why did Bruce McConkie write that a man may commit a sin so grievous that it will place him beyond the atoning blood of Christ (Mormon Doctrine, 1979, p.93) when the Bible says that the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7)?
40. Why does the LDS Church teach that man first existed as spirits in heaven when 1 Corinthians 15:46 says that the physical body comes before the spiritual?
41. Since Jesus statement, “Be ye therefore perfect” (Matthew 5:48) is in the present tense, are you perfect right now? Do you expect to be perfect soon? According to Hebrews 10:14, how are we made perfect?
42. Why do Mormons say the sticks in Ezekiel 37 represent the Bible and the Book of Mormon when Ezekiel 37:20-22 tells us that the sticks represent two nations, not two books?
43. Why does the LDS Church teach that Jesus and Lucifer are spirit brothers when both the first chapter of John and Colossians teach that Jesus is the Creator of all things, including Lucifer?
44. Why do worthy Mormon males hold the Aaronic priesthood since Hebrews 7:11-12 clearly teaches that it was changed and superceded by something better?
45. If your leaders are correct about the complete falling away of the true church on earth, was Jesus in error when he said that the gates of hell would not prevail against it (Matthew 16:18)?
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46. If having a physical body is necessary to become a god, how did Jesus become a god before he had a body?
47. Do you think the LDS Church will reconsider its teachings that the American Indians are descendants of the Jewish race now that DNA evidence has proven that they are actually descendants of the Asian race?
48. If polygamy was officially re-instituted by the Mormon Church, how would your wife feel about you taking another woman?
49. Since the LDS Church teaches that there was a complete apostasy of the true church on earth, does that mean that the 3 living Nephites and the Apostle John went into apostasy also?
50. Why are Mormon Temple ceremonies secret to the public when the Old Testament temple ceremonies were open to public knowledge?
When Romney said One nation under God, he was lying, the Mormon god is not the God of the Bible that mosy Americans believe in It is a exallted man of flesh and blood that had a father and mother who came from some planet to the earth, to become the god of this world.Jesus called Satan the god of this world not so ?
Amricans should wake up to this lie!
The Plain Truth about
the Mormons
The Mormon movement began with “the prophet” Joseph Smith, Jr. in the year 1820. Joe (as he was known) was born to some rather strange parents in 1805. His mother, Lucy, was involved in occult practices and visions, while his father, Joseph, Sr., consumed much time with imaginary treasure digging (including the booty of Captain Kidd).
According to Mormon writings (Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith – History 1:1-25), on a day in 1820, Joe was praying in the woods when he received a vision from God the Father and Jesus. It was revealed to Joe that the church was in apostasy and he was the chosen one to launch a new dispensation.
Being unwilling to drop his current occupation of money-digging with his father (while using “peep stones” and “divining rods”), Joe put his “calling” on hold for three years. Then, according to his own account (Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith – History 1:29-54), he was paid a bedside visit by the angel Moroni in 1823. Moroni, who professed to be the glorified son of a man named Mormon (who had been dead 1400 years), told Joe about a book of golden plates which contained “the fulness of the everlasting Gospel.” This book was said to have been buried at Cumorah Hill, near Palmyra, New York, some 1400 years earlier by the man named Mormon. Four years later (1827), Joe supposedly dug up the golden plates along with a gigantic pair of spectacles which he called “the Urim and Thummim.” The spectacles were for translating the hieroglyphics on the plates. With the help of his only legal wife and a friend named Oliver Cowdery, Joe translated the plates and published the Book of Mormon in 1830. Later that same year, Joe, his wife, his brothers (Hyrum and Samuel), and Cowdery established the “Church of Jesus Christ,” which is known today as the “Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints.”
The Book of Mormon contains many plagiarisms of the King James English (at least 25,000 words). This is strange since the plates were supposed to have been in the ground many centuries before the King James Bible was completed in 1611! The Book of Mormon also contains many errors such as claims of elephants in the Western Hemisphere and advanced metal producing capabilities in America before 400 A.D. (See Walter Martin’s Kingdom of the Cults for a fine study in the errors of the Mormon Bible)
The Mormons, under Smith’s command, turned out to be a rough bunch. Joe was a polygamist with at least twenty- seven wives (some say over 60 wives). The whole gang left New York for Ohio, and then moved to Missouri. The Missouri governor ran them out of the state, so they settled in Nauvoo, Illinois, and built the state’s largest city. In 1844, Joe and Hyrum were thrown in jail. Then an angry mob stormed the jail and murdered them both. Naturally, this “martyrdom” insured the perpetual reverence of the great “prophet” Joseph Smith.
The “church” then split. The Smith family headed for Independence, Missouri and started what is now the “Recognized Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints.” However, the majority of Smith’s followers chose Brigham Young as their new captain.
To escape U.S. laws, Young led the Mormons from Nauvoo to Salt Lake City in 1847 (which then belonged to Mexico). For the next thirty years, Young and his “saints” laid the foundation stones of the Mormon cult.
Little known to most Mormons, Young was a rather rough and ruthless character. In 1857, he commanded Bishop John D. Lee to murder a wagon train of over one hundred helpless non-Mormon immigrants. Twenty years later Lee was convicted and executed by the U.S. Government. Young escaped punishment, and his role in the Mountain Meadows Massacre has escaped the Mormon history books.
Young spent most of his “ministry” dodging the law to continue the immoral practice of polygamy. At the time of his death in 1877, Young had seventeen wives and fifty-six children.
Today the Mormon church is administrated by its “General Authorities.” These authorities consist of the “First Presidency,” the “Counsel of Twelve Apostles,” the “First Quorum of the Seventy” and its presidency, the “Presiding Bishoprick,” and the “Patriarch of the Church.”
Male Mormons over twelve years of age are divided into priesthoods. The Aaronic order is the lesser priesthood, and the Melchizedek order is the higher.
The church is divided into thousands of “wards” and “stakes,” with over 2000 branches and 180 missions, and over 5,000,000 members.
Mormons are very missionary-minded people, with over 26,000 active missionaries. However, much of this missionary army consists of young men and women in their early twenties who must serve two years in missionary work while supporting themselves.
The Mormon people of today are highly respected in our society, but there is nothing respectable about their doctrines. Some are as follows:
The Deity of Man Promoted
Mormons teach that man can become God, and that God was once a man:
“God himself, the Father of us all, is a glorified, exalted immortal resurrected man!” (Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pp. 322-23, 517, 643)
“…God himself was once as we are now and is an exalted man and sits enthroned in yonder heavens…” (Journal of Discourses, V6, P3, 1844)
“As man is, God once was: as God is, man may become.” (Lorenzo Snow, quoted in Milton R. Hunter, the Gospel Through the Ages, pp. 105-106)
This is plain and simple heresy. Nowhere does the Bible say or imply that God was ever a man, or that man can become God! Malachi 3:6 says, “For I am the LORD, I change not…” How could this be true if God was once a man? Genesis 1:1 states that God existed “in the beginning” before man was ever created. John 4:24 states that God is a “spirit,” and Jesus tells us in John 1:18 that no man has seen God at any time. Numbers 23:19 says that “God is not a man that he should lie; neither the son of man that he should repent.” God has always been God, and no one has ever “become” God.
Deity of Jesus Christ Denied
The Deity of Jesus Christ is a fundamental doctrine of Christianity, yet the Mormons deny this truth. Exalting man to “god status” is apparently alright, but Jesus Christ is not acknowledged as the eternal Son of God in the Mormon church. The Mormon Jesus was a preexisting spirit who was exalted, just as Mormon followers hope to be exalted someday.
God is a Trinity (I Jn. 5:7), and the second Member of that Trinity is the Lord Jesus Christ. John 1:1 says that “the Word was God,” and John 1:14 tells us that “the Word was made flesh.” Jesus Christ is the Word incarnate, and John 1:1 tells us that the Word was God; so Jesus Christ is God.
Jesus allowed Thomas to address Him as “My Lord and my God” in John 20:28. In Isaiah 9:6, He is called “The mighty God” and “The everlasting Father,” and we read in Micah 5:2 that Jesus is “from everlasting.”
Our Lord allowed people to worship him in John 10:38 and in Matthew 14:33, and since He is “God with us” (Mat. 1:23) He also has power to forgive sins (Mk. 2:5). Jesus Christ is clearly Deity, yet this doctrine is denied by the Mormons.
Multiple Authorities
The Bible declares, “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” (Isa. 8:20) However, the Mormon Church claims that other writings, such as the Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith’s writings are also authoritative. In fact, Joseph Smith taught his people to doubt the accuracy of the Bible: “…it was apparent that many important points touching the salvation of men, had been taken from the Bible, or lost before it was compiled.” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 10)
Mormon Writings Support Polygamy
“…if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then he is justified; he cannot commit adultery…And if he have ten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery.” (Doctrines and Covenants, 132:61, 62)
Jesus Christ held a slightly different view (Mark 10:6- 9). There is no way a man can be “one flesh” with more than one woman. A man and his wife are supposed to picture Christ and his church (Eph. 5:23-32), but this symbolism is shattered by the Mormon heresy of Polygamy.
True Church Theory
The Mormon book, The Pearl of Great Price, claims that all other Christian groups are “corrupt” and are an “abomination” in God’s sight (Joseph Smith, 2:19). Such claims as this are based on the unscriptural assumption that the Lord Jesus Christ has a specific religious organization on the earth today, complete with a name, a membership, and a leadership, which makes up His “true church.” This doctrine is found nowhere in God’s word. Everyone who has received Christ as their Saviour is a member of His church, which is a spiritual body of born-again believers (Eph. 4:4; 5:23-32; Col. 1:18-24; Heb. 12:23; Rev. 19:7; 5:9-10; 21:9).
Other False Teachings
The Mormons deny the Trinity and the existence of a literal burning Hell, yet they promote polytheism (many gods), baptism for the dead, and the notion that Jesus and Satan were originally spirit brothers! Friend, make no mistake about it–Mormonism is a dangerous cult. In the eyes of man, the Mormons seem very respectable, but the light of God’s word reveals the true wolves behind the sheep clothing. Jesus said, “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” (Mat. 7:15) Don’t look at their nice families, their clean-cut hair, and their friendly “missionaries.” LOOK AT THEIR DOCTRINES! (I Tim. 4:1)
There is no way to cover all of the Mormon heresies in a tract this size. For further reading, we recommend our publication, The Bible Believer’s Handbook of Heresies, which sheds light on many of the heresies being taught today in the name of our Saviour Jesus Christ.
Salvation through Works
Mormons believe that one’s salvation is based on such good works as baptism, good deeds, missionary work, and following Mormon teachings. In The Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, justification by faith in Jesus Christ is called a “pernicious doctrine” twice and he states that it has been “an influence for evil.” (pp. 107, 480) Bruce McConkie once stated at Brigham Young University that a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is “improper and perilous” (Church News, March 20, 1982, p. 5)
Ephesians 2:8-9 says, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Romans 4:5 says that salvation comes to those who do not work for salvation, but believe on Jesus Christ instead!
Jesus Christ came into this world to lay down His sinless life for YOU–to pay for your sins because you couldn’t. Jesus is your only hope for salvation. Only by receiving Him as your Saviour can you enter the gates of Heaven. There is no other way. “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me.” (John 14:6) “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12)
Look’s like Alan figured out how to cut and paste. “Clap,Clap,Applaud!” The information you posted is clearly biased and not inaccurate. When a non-Mormon says that Mormons deny the deity of Christ, stop right there and pay no attention. This is clearly false and easily disproved by simply doing a little more Google searching beyond “why should I hate Mormons? (Really, tell me anything, I’ll believe it)”
Read the post dont just make silly remarks, if Romney gets into power in reality America will be ruled by in reality by
Thomas S. Monson, 16th President of the Church Previous
Basic Facts
Birth Date: August 21, 1927
Years as President: 2008–
Romney takes his orders from this man , who is supposed to have a direct line to God or their pathetic humang god
The problem with Mormons is they know so stinking much about the Bible that they can actually defend their positions against ignorant comments.
It is one thing to disagree on points of theology, e.g., Catholic, Protestant, Evangelical, Mormon, etc. It is significantly a different beast altogether to lie about the beliefs of others for purposes of perpetrating hate and bigotry.
I don’t know a single good Mormon who would ever force a person to change his or her beliefs to become a Mormon because the commitments and covenants you make as a Mormon are substantial and take an inner drive to keep those rules and make that lifestyle change. In other words, believe as you want to believe. If you seek more, then consider investigating the Mormon faith. If you are happy doing what you are doing, then be the best person you can be. Help others. Be charitable. Follow the teachings of Christ.
Mormons cannot and will not bring all mankind to Christ alone. The Gospel of Christ is much bigger than anything that the Mormons can do alone. It is the preaching of all Christian faiths that will point men to Christ. We will let Christ sort out the details afterwards.
The mormon god and the christ of the mormons are not the God of the Constitution that the vast majority of Armericans believe in.
Their god is a man of flesh and bone, go and read up for yourselves to validate or disprove my comments
America is being fooled to elect a leader who belongs to a lying faulse cult, beware and wake up before it is to late
They abandoned the truth and believed a lie, Jesus said
This is Jesus according to their lying doctrine!
By Cooper Abrams
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints does not offically approve of the practice of polygamy today, however it was an important part of their past and it has a lot to do with their future.
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Mormons claim to be Christians and to believe in the Jesus Christ of the Bible. They are greatly offended when told that they are not Christians. However, when examining their beliefs by comparing them with the Bible you get a real understanding as to why they are wrongly identifying themselves with the Jesus Christ of the Bible
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. The following quotes by the prophets and authorities of the LDS church clearly show that the Mormon god and Jesus Christ are not the God and Jesus Christ of the Bible. Here is more deniable evidence that Mormons are not Christians because they do not believe in the true God or Jesus Christ as revealed by the Bible.
Note what the LDS prophets preached and believed about Jesus Christ:
Jedediah M. Grant, Second Counselor to Brigham Young the Second Prophet of the LDS Church:
“Celsus was a heathen philosopher; and what does he say upon the subject of Christ and his Apostles, and their belief? He says, the ‘grand reason why the Gentiles and philosophers of his school persecuted Jesus Christ, was because He had so many wives; there were Elizabeth, and Mary, and a host of others that followed Him.’
After Jesus went from the stage of action, the Apostles followed the example of their master. . . The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, casing his crucifixion, was evidently based on polygamy,. . .a belief in the doctrine of plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus, and his followers. We might almost think they were ‘Mormons’ ” (Journal of Discourses, Vol 1. ppl 345-346)
Mormon Apostle Orson Hyde made these statements:
“It will be borne in mind that once on a time, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; . . .no less a person than Jesus Christ was married on that occasion. If he was never married, his intimacy with Mary and Martha, and the other Mary also whom Jesus loved, must have been highly unbecoming and improper to say the least of it.”
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“I will venture to say that if Jesus Christ were now to pass thought the most pious countries in Christendom with a train of women, such as used to follow him, . . .he would be mobbed, tarred, and feathered, and rode, not on as ass, but on a rail.”
“At this doctrine the long-faced hypocrite and the sanctimonious bigot will probably cry, blasphemy! . . . Object not, therefore, too strongly against the marriage of Christ.” (All the above statements: Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, pages 259-260)
“When Mary of old came to the sepulcher. . .she saw two angels in white. and they said unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She said unto them, Because they have take away my Lord, OR HUSBAND, and I know not where they have laid him.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, page 210)
In 1853 the following appeared in the Mormon church paper, the Millennial Star:
“. . .we apprehend that even greater troubles than these may arise before mankind learn all the particulars of Christ’s incarnation-how and by whom he was begotten; the character of the relationships formed by the act; the number of wives and children he had. . .” (The Millennial Star, Vol 15, page 825)
Statement by Brigham Young, second prophet of the LDS church:
“The Scripture says that He, the Lord, came walking in the Temple, with “HIS TRAIN; I do not know who they were, unless his wives and children;” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13. page 309)
The Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt:
“…it will be seen that the GREAT MESSIAH who was the founder of the Christian religion, WAS A POLYGAMIST, . . .the MESSIAH chose. . .by marrying honorable wives himself, show to all future generations that HE approbated the plurality of wives under the Christian dispensation, as well as under the dispensation in which His polygamist ancestors lived. . . .We have now clearly shown that God the Father had a plurality of wives. . .” (The Seer, page 172)
These are a few of the quotes from the writing of the Mormon elders concerning the fact that they teach and believe the blasphemy that Jesus was married to Mary, Martha and the other Mary and that God was once a man and now lives in heaven practicing polygamy.
To obtain the celestial glory, which means to obtain godhood, a couple must have a temple marriage referred to as the sealing ceremony or endowments. This marriage is referred to as for all time and eternity and means an eternal marriage. Joseph Fielding Smith gave this answer to the question about Mormon couples who are not married in the temple, “Unless young people who marry outside the temple speedily repent, they cut them-selves off from exaltation in the celestial kingdom of God. If they should prove themselves worthy, notwithstanding that great error, to enter into the celestial kingdom, they go in that kingdom as servants. [see Joseph Fielding Smith, Answers to Gospel Questions, 4 vols. (Salt Lake: Deseret Books, 1957-66), p. 196., Gospel Library, [CD-ROM], Infobases, 1998.’]
This means that unless Jesus Christ was married he would not be allowed to go to the highest heaven which is the Celestial Heaven nor could he become a god. It is an absolute fact that the LDS Church’s official teaching is that a man must be married obtain the Celestial Heaven.
The unmistakable conclusion is that the LDS god was a mortal man who was married and his marriage qualified him for being exalted to godhood. The god of the Mormons is a man-god who once was a man like any other man, who by his good works was exalted to godhood. That is what the Mormons are working for….not salvation…but godhood. (See Genesis 3:5, Godhood is what Satan promised Eve if she disobeyed God and ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil)
The Jesus, the Mormons proclaim to love so dearly, is absolutely not the Jesus Christ of the Bible, but according to their teaching the sexual offspring of their god and one of his many wives in heaven. In fact Jesus, Satan and all men are the actual offspring of their god of flesh and bone.