The Weatherman Who Helped Author Obama’s Legislation
Despite being profiled early on in Glenn Beck’s czar series, Jeff Jones — who helped author the ObamaCare bill — has received far less scrutiny than Van Jones and some others. By now, though the barrage of radicalism may have inoculated you to the fact that a member of Obama’s team is best-known for his mug shots, Jeff Jones does indeed warrant the country’s attention.
Some people, not enough, are aware that Jeff Jones co-founded the Weathermen, led the Days of Rage in Chicago in 1969, and then went underground for the next eleven years with fellow revolutionary and current wife Eleanor Stein (who teaches “climate change” at Albany Law School).
But how many know that as late as 2007 Jones organized a rebranding of the SDS?
The Movement for a Democratic Society (MDS) became official at a conference at The New School. Fellow travelers on the left were giddy, though one nominated board member couldn’t make it that day: Rashid Khalidi. (Some photos from the event.)
The press coverage:
New York, NY — February 17, 2007. A bitter cold day did not prevent the Movement for a Democratic Society (MDS) from holding a well-attended conference at New York City’s New School University. The event was held in the Graduate Center, 65 Fifth Avenue, and about 100 participants were in attendance. The meeting featured several speakers who are well known figures on the US Left and an agenda that centered around electing a board of directors for MDS, Incorporated — the non-profit arm of MDS that was founded last August in Chicago, at the national SDS convention. Its purpose is to provide SDS’ student activists with a legal defense fund, monies for the Radical Education Project and a general fund for meetings, conventions and other SDS functions. Organizers were pleased with the turnout and excited about the election of Manning Marable as Chair of the new Board.
More snakes in the cellar. They all need to be rooted out.
Further documentation that Jeff Jones was a biggie. He is prominently mentioned in the Horowitz and Collier book Destructive Generation, their chronicle of radicalism from the 60s to the 80s. Amazing how many of the Weathermen didn’t have a change of heart. Just a change of tactic.
A board of 15 members including STARHAWK (no other name).
These jerks never had a real education while young. They persued sex, drugs, rock’n'roll and pretended at education through the intellectual sheen of ‘revolution’.
They are the children dancing in the palace today. The Huns have crept in behind them while you slept, and they rule you now.
I get the feeling that Patti realized how old I was and decided to do an article that would make me feel young again eh? Well, it worked darn it. Thanks Patti, very nice article indeed. Thanks !!
Wow! Great article.
Why are so many of these radicals Jewish? What is the problem? Rosenberg, Soros, etc etc Shouldn’t this be talked about instead of “scrubbed” from commentary, swept under the rug, silenced with the same tactics as shouting racism? It’s as if we have our own home grown Bolshevik movement right here in the US. Many people notice this but the topic is never addressed head on. It is finessed with questions as to why so many Jews are “liberal” when the word should be downright hateful and hostile to liberty and the Constitution. The anger and frustration felt by many over this obvious situation is not going away simply by decreeing the subject is off limits.
Not just the Obamacare bill, but the stimulus bill, that is already law, was written, at least in part, by this worthless freak. We had better wake up and I mean fast.
And we had also better worry that the republicans, just like the Palestinians, never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. Next year should be a catastrophe for the dems, but it isn’t going to be. Just look at the inane Chris Christie in New Jersey and say your prayers.
And Digitalis: the old question. See Podhoretz’s new book for a partial answer. But you’re of course right: radical leftism in America is largely Jewish in origin and in execution. However, much of the resistance is also Jewish, and therein lies the story of the world.
It’s true that radical leftism in America is largely Jewish in origin (but don’t forget TR, Woodrow Wilson, Margaret Sanger, Henry Wallace, etc etc) and in execution. Why? Well, that’s the money question, although Podhoretz’s new book goes a long way to answering it. But remember,too, that a great deal of the opposition to this disease is also Jewish: Podhoretz again, Kristol, Levin, Goldberg, Horowitz, Savage, and on and on. Therein lies the story of the world, no?
I think Leftist “Jews” are Jewish in the same sense that the Jews who worshiped the Golden Calf were Jewish. Of the tribe physically, but not spiritually.
8. james….the problem is that jews on the right have little power other than their use of the small, but effective right-wing media. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I cannot think of a single solidly right-wing jew ever being elected to the House or Senate?
On the other hand, jews on the left have power, real power. There are approximately 15 jews in the U.S. senate, and all are liberal democrats with the most extreme element being Boxer, Franken, and Shumer. Money generally buys elections, and left-wing jews have most of the money in Amerika.
Keeping up with the Joneses. Sitting at the seat of power. Disgusting. Obama keeps pandering to his far left base. Himself
Nice wife-beater.
Eric Cantor is one. There may be others; i’ll have to think about it.
One of the reasons for the visibility of such a small number of people is that Jews invented, and still populate, many key microphones in the West. They invented the motion picture industry. They invented television and the networking of it. They bought or founded newspapers. And, just as important, they invented a lot of the BS subjects that propagandists use to wreck young brains in the Academy.
But this is not conspiratorial. It’s just the way it turned out. But I believe American Jews, at least, are coming around. The most religious of them already have.
It seems that most of America has NO idea of what is going on in their own country. Many are good people that just aren’t paying attention. If not for Beck I don’t know where we would have heard about all this in one place.
Norman Thomas as 100% correct in his statement:
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of ‘liberalism’ they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.
The attack on Jews is antisemitic, based solely on prejudice. Plenty of “left-wingers” are not Jewish, e.g. Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, and many Jews are opposed to communism and fellow-travelers, e.g., Norman Podhoretz, Sidney Hook (see his last book, Out-of-Step). Religion is not the issue, the political views and activities of Jeff Jones and other of Obama’s associates are.
We need to make people like Jones pariahs. Whatever legislation that he wrote should be put out in front of the public along with the results. Let the public see the full effect of what his kind is doing and they’ll be rejected.
And the Republican party had damn well take this matter up. If they can’t do this much, they aren’t worth a pitcher full of warm spit.
The Jews in name only aren’t my brothers and sisters. Not because they are typically scornful of religion-even though that would explain much of their angst-but because along with their equally disturbed, nominally Christian, Protestant, Muslim radicals-in-arms, they are the bad seeds of all our people.They must be excised from all of us.
Let us not forget that Jewish leftism is a direct result of their inability to embrace their Judaism, as they seek to overthrow that which has besieged their people for centuries. On the other hand, Christians and Muslims have no such excuses. They are huge in numbers,and have been the ones responsible for our past persecutions.
That being said, these Jewish misfits have to be fought with every once of strength we have, alongside their deviant non-Jewish comrades.
Those who are anti-semitic will always look for ways to blame the Jews. No matter. This is also a sickness of the soul, so those of you who entertain such hatred are no better than the leftists you despise.
Pot and kettle….
Pointing out that Jews are, and have been, at the forefront of radicalism is not anti-Semitism. It’s a simple fact. Of course they don’t have a monopoly on this (witness Barack Obama, eg) but to deny it is folly.
But you watch: it is turning around. Orthodox Jews did not vote for Obama, and so what you have with the secular Jews is liberalism and the old saw: Those who believe in nothing will believe in anything.
And unlike Christians in America where women are leading the rebellion, with the Jews it will be the men.
These cronies of Obama want to change America into a socialist state.How many of us have had relatives and friends die in wars to preserve our way of life!The chicago hustler and co. really make my blood boil.Who the hell do they think they are?
The USA has a history of Socialism going back to the days of Woodrow Wilson, some would say as early as Lincoln. Obama is just the latest actor on the stage.
#18 James….Left-wing jews like Jon Stewart and Bill Maher bash christians everyday, and are celebrated by the leftstream media. There is no way jewish groups would tolerate the same comments directed at them. The media is cruising for a bruising.
Thank you, Gracie, for the Norman Thomas quote, which I believe is at the core of understanding the Axelrod/Obama bloodless coup, taking over the White House without the electorate “knowing how it happened”. It should be framed and hung on the wall of everytrue American.
And thank you, Paati Villacorta, for filling us in on the continuous and persistent efforts, over the years since the end of Stalinist Russia, of the “liberals” (doctrinaire Communists in disguise) to take control of the Democrat Party and fulfill Thomas’s forecast. The continual jabber on the right about Obama “drifting to the eft”, or “not moving toward a more central” policy, or “Why is he not explaining his HealthCare Plan”, drive me bananas. They hate to use the word “Socialist”.
But the conservative pundits are afraid of being called “McCarthyites”, despite the truth that McCarty was right. They’d rather be accused of spousal abuse. The veracity of Thomas’s prophecy is absolute but those of us who use the word Communist are dismissed as loonies by the GOP and those on the right who are upset because a Congressman was so rude as to call out “Liar” to a traitorous President.
The cabal in the White House are Chicago Machine Communist faithfuls, and I applaud every effort you make to trace the trail of the “underground” from the demise of the CPUSA until the election of ’08.
As for the Jewish issue: Many Jews are inclined towards Socialism because they were raised in a faith that emphasizes compassion and justice for the oppressed, just like the many “liberal” Christians who think they are “doing as Jesus would do”. They have rejected the Faith but clung to the tenet.
JW: Your” anti-semitic” remark was expected and in today’s times about as effective as the “racist” canard. It is sooo yesterday. Get used to it becaue people like myself are not backing down. You have no idea who I am nor do I believe you are a psychic reader so deal with the facts instead of trying to keep them hidden and shut people up. The fact of the matter is the Jewish population is a tiny minority within America and a HUGE percentage of Jews within that minority hue leftward if not are downright communist. The most vicious and damaging left wingers in the Senate? Those in the administration? NYT columnists? Media stars? On and on it goes. We are taking PERCENTAGES. Not numbers because of course the greater population would have greater numbers. That only makes sense. Doubt my observation? A number of years ago Dennis Praeger, a WONDERFUL man who is also Jewish, wrote a very thought provoking column in which he made pretty much the same observations I and so many have. He also added one more thing: he marvelled at how many Christians have put up with the attacks on their religion and have never publicly said the obvious: the loudest and most obnoxious attacks (ACLU) etc. are coming mainly from those with a Jewish background. He attributed that to the essential goodness of America. I agree. But the time has come to stare the elephant in the room straight in the eye and call it like it is. So get yourself all worked up with the name calling. I really couldn’t care less what you call me or anyone else for that matter. The truth should set us free. At least to discuss this openly without the sly attempts to shut down what you don’t want to hear.
Talking about the evil Jooos in America – ahm. Let me remind you that Ayn Rand and Barry Goldwater were also Jewish. I challenge anyone to put any American left-wing Jew who could compete with those two in fame and influence.
All in all, Jews in general are quite active and smart – which is why there are so many well-known Jewish leftists and right-wingers.
Lastly, lets not forget the Netanyahu’s speech to the UN -do you know of any non-Jewish right-winger who could match him?
P.S. I am a Russian Jew, who is as right-wing as they come.
that these people run the country !
What a nightmare! All the old, burnt-out hippies revived and brought to life. They, along with their servant Obama, are going to try their best to turn this country into something the majority don’t want. The truth has to be put out there over and over. These people operate best in the holes they like to live in, so lets drag it all out into the light! Once people are aware of what is going on, it will be brought to a standstill. We are still able to vote in this country!
Digitalis has the facts on his side. The role of apostate ethnic Jews, or as Rothman and Lichter in Roots of Radicalism call them, deracinated Jews, has been overwhelming in the Leftist movements in America…and in the Soviet Union and elsewhere before. A little reading list for those who might like to base their arguments on facts: The Jewish Century, by Yuri Slezkine; Roots of Radicalism: Jews, Christians and the Left, by Stanley Rothman and S. Robert Lichter, and Engineering Communism (about two members of the Rosenberg spy ring who gave the USSR American micro-electronics technology). If you read Russian, German, or French, read Alexander Solzhenytsyn’s Two Hundred Years Together (not published in English, wonder why). There is a huge difference between religious and anti-religious ethnic Jews. It is NOT anti-Semetic to be honest about history. And personally, I am quite pro Judaism as a religion and pro Israel. I am not, however, pro Bolshevik or pro Marx.
I am Jewish and would have never guessed Jones is. It is a Nazi socialist trick to preach antisemitism in the name of anticommunism. Either ideology is deplorable. Jews happen to be Gods chosen people and are at the forefront of most movements good and evil. To despise them is to hate God.
I grew up in and around Chicago, in the milieu these folks inhabited. One almost has to have been around in the 60s and 70s, and been at least witness to – if not a part-time participant in – The Movement / The Revolution to understand their single-minded, dogmatic fixation. It was truly frightening. It was and still is a cult, there’s no other way to describe it. It was and still is populated by adult, moral adolescents who to this day refuse to mature, refuse to learn from history and refuse to recognize that the Darwinian realities of human nature will never conform to their naive, Utopian social vision.
These folks’ affliction is very contagious. Marxist socialism offers a path to power and self-esteem that involves nothing more than destroying the existing order and either marginalizing, imprisoning or murdering those who get in the way. Neither Stalin nor Che nor Mao not Pol Pot called it “murder” though. It was always sold as a form of social “cleansing”.
This cult endures here in the U.S. – never kid yourself that it doesn’t. Jeff Jones, Bill Ayers, Mark Rudd, Barack Obama and their nihilist, socially suicidal, functionally insane cohort are living proof. Right now that secular cult and its religious counterpart, Radical Islam, are actively pushing all of civilization toward another 1000 years of Dark Ages. What’s left of our Republic and a tiny, beleaguered nation in the Middle East are all that presently stand in their way.
Interesting times, indeed.
Trotsky was a Jew, Stalin was not. Kaganovich (the Black Tornado) was a Jew, Woodrow Wilson was not. David Axelrod is a Jew, Barack Obama is not. In all three pairings it is the non-Jew who was (is) infinitely more dangerous. The question is not: Why is communism a Jewish product? but, rather, Why are Jews so disproportionately radical?
It is an interesting question, but I repeat: it is changing in America, and as liberal anti-semitism grows the Jews will become less secular and more religious. As they do they will shed radicalism.
“To despise evil is to hate God” – Is this true: to embrace evil is to love God? Really? Since when? (Cincilitigator)
As far as “preaching anti-semitism” is concerned, who is doing that? That is a fabrication of your fevered hope because that is the only way you know how to address the facts. In fact you walked right into another set of facts noone wants to hear about. Many Jews in America were ON THE SIDE OF HITLER until he abbrogated his pact with their idol Stalin. Why would the Nazis used anit-communism to preach anti-semitism if communism had nothing to do with Jewsih involvement? The accusation or attempt to defame would hold no weight and would therefore be nugatory. Be careful with the arguments you use to smite whom you perceive to be an enemy. You just shot yourself in the foot.
Most Jews I know are hard working, successful people. I know some who are hard core commies, and don’t try to disguise it. I know as many others who are even more to the Right than myself. As for me, I love Goldwater, Mark Levin and Jesus, not in that order. Ayn Rand I can take or leave.
Interesting that the comments went off on the number of Jews in the left wing movement. Jeff Jones isn’t Jewish, is he? So why not stick with him, the subject, instead of going after Jews?
James, I hope you are right that Jews who are not religious will return to religion, but I doubt it will happen. I am surrounded by a particular milieu full of (and am indeed related by marriage to) ethnic Jews who are militant, anti-Christian atheists. They equate religion in general, and Christianity in particular, with peasant superstition, and are not content merely to ignore religion, but insist on actively denigrating it. Although they went to Ivy League schools, including some with many Jewish Professors, they remain deeply resentful of the “blond WASPS” (many of whom were neither blond, nor Wasp…) who were their classmates. We are all Czarist agents in their eyes, which is a bit ironic given the appellation of O’s commissars, no?
@23. digitalis: – …people like myself are not backing down.
Really? Where are these “people”? Because I don’t encounter very many people inferring what you seem to be trying to suggest with your vague, equivocal nonsense. Maybe if you just came right out and made whatever accusations you’re afraid to make, we could deal with them directly instead of pretending that the topic is off-limits.
- … a HUGE percentage of Jews within that minority hue leftward …
Perhaps it’s never occurred to you that most Americans – including Jewish Americans – have been successfully duped by the erroneous notion that leftism/socialism is antithetical to fascism and nazism, and that it is therefore natural for Jews to be “for” something that pretends to be “against” an ideology that was responsible for a largely successful attempt to exterminate their race from existence.
- … if not are downright communist.
Really? And you have some data somewhere to back this up?
- The most vicious and damaging left wingers in the Senate?
Let’s see – we have Harry Reid and (had) Ted Kennedy. A Mormon and a Catholic. John Kerry? Roman Catholic. Dick Durbin? Roman Catholic. Robert Byrd? Baptists. Chris Dodd? Roman Catholic. The only Jew in the Senate who even comes close to your silly conspiracy theory is Arlen “Magic Bullet” Specter. But then he could be expected to convert at any moment. In the House we have the epitome of anti-Americanism: Nancy Pelosi, a Roman Catholic. You were saying?
- Those in the administration?
BHO is jewish now? Surely you’re kidding. Joe Biden? Roman Catholic.
- NYT columnists? Media stars?
Has it occurred to you to wonder whether jewish people are over- or underrepresented in the media in general? Academia? Music? Given any thought to why?
- … Christians have put up with the attacks on their religion and have never publicly said the obvious: the loudest and most obnoxious attacks (ACLU) etc. are coming mainly from those with a Jewish background.
Well then naturally this conspiracy must one one of Judeo-CHRISTIAN origin then, right?
- … the time has come to stare the elephant in the room straight in the eye and call it like it is.
So far you’re the one who seems too frightened to do this. Instead you post innuendo. Get to the point if you’re so sure this is an issue. If you have some actual facts, present them. Otherwise I’d strongly recommend that you consider it best to just STFU.
Oh, God! Not another socialist/Marxist/radial in the White House! How many are they? It’s like a viper pit. Obama is one of them. He went to church where the crazed reverend spewed hatred for America from the pulpit and he launched his political campaign from the home of an avowed anti-American, bomb thrower William Ayers. It appears that Obama has a very deep cesspool from which he can draw his “talent” for the White House. How much longer til 2012?
stuart williamson: As for the Jewish issue: Many Jews are inclined towards Socialism because they were raised in a faith that emphasizes compassion and justice for the oppressed, just like the many “liberal” Christians who think they are “doing as Jesus would do”. They have rejected the Faith but clung to the tenet.
Stuart, you nailed it. That is the whole political-religious basis for the Jews of the Left. This is how they were and are attracted to communism (emphasis on “commun-” as in social communitarianism).
Google Niki Raapana and her website and you will understand what she has been trying to expose for years.
What much of the above comments boil down to is Jews are divided politically just as are most of the rest of America. Fine, onward and up the Republic.
I have a question.
When did it become Constitutional for someone who is not an elected political offical to write legislation?
Jeff Jones is Jewish. What his name was before he changed it is anyone’s guess, and that is one of the most ancient of vaudeville jokes. But it doesn’t matter that he’s Jewish because his only religion is communism. It’s what he practices, it’s what he believes in, it’s where he looks for heresies, his heroes are all from its ranks. Americans need to understand that, just like murderous Muslims, these people are not like you. You might as well try to understand child molesters: forget it. The only way to deal with them is on their terms, and you are witnessing that now for the first time since this madness started under Teddy Roosevelt (McCain’s hero.)If ‘health care’ can be defeated we have a chance of saving the nation. If not, then not.
28 Cincilitigator: well said, and it leaves nothing more to say.
29 goy: every word a gem. Thank you. And go Galt before we do slide over the edge.
Goy, I hope Digitialis has the time to answer your questions one by one, but Re: “deracinated ethnic Jews” in key positions in and around this administration, how about: Axelrod, Emanuel (Auerbach), Orzag, Summers, and backers Pritzker, Soros, Wolf (UBS), Stern (SEIU), Bernadine Dohrn (Ohrenstein) for starters? If you look closely, I think you will find several more among Obama’s inner circle and among his Czars. There are also others who, while not ethnically Jewish themselves, married into the tribe (Geithner, I think… and “tribe” is not my term, but the term they use among themselves). As someone pointed out above, the question is not “Is Leftism/Communism ‘Jewish’,” it clearly is not exclusively so, but rather “Why are so many Jews Leftists?” Ethnic Jews are not “divided politically just as most of the rest of America.” Their percentages tilting to the far Left are very much higher than for other groups. For documentation re the dominance of Jews among Radicals, including SDS and its alumni, see Rothman and Lichter, Slezkine, and in Russian history, Solzhenitsyn.
Add Rattner and Bloom of Government Motors fame/infamy to the list.
Note From Author:
Jeff Jones is not Jewish. He grew up in California in a Quaker home.
I am a proud Jewish woman who was a life-long Democrat. We’re coming around!
@42. globalizer: – If you look closely…
I think you may be confusing “looking closely” with “cherry-picking”. Rabid secular “humanism” is tres chic. Beyond that, I’m still curious what it is you’re trying to get at – and what it is you think you’re going to do about it when you finally have the courage to make the assertion.
For information: According to an interview by Amy Goodman with Jeff Jones and his son Thai, entitled “Growing up in the Weather Underground,” (google it) Jeff Jones grew up in a Quaker pacifist household. It is his wife who is Jewish and the daughter of NY Communist Party members.
Goy, What I am getting at? My first objective [I am a statistician and social scientist by training] is simply to try to understand the backgrounds of those promoting Revolutionary “Hope and Change.” I find a major piece of the answer highly disturbing, i.e., the roots of The One and his movement go much deeper into Radicalism than some chic “secular humanism.” There are an awful lot of direct descendants of the anti-religious Jews who helped give the world the Great October Revolution around Mr. Obama; far too many for one to call it “cherry picking.” Secondly, as a non-Jew who grew up among Jews, and who admires the many intellectual, scientific, medical, musical, literary, artistic, business and other contributions of Jewish people to America and the world, I would hope to encourage secular Jews who may be re-thinking their Radical links to re-think “faster please,” or at least tone down their attacks on Traditional America before a REAL anti-Semitic backlash takes place. Frankly, I fear that the Obama fiasco could, among other by-products, provoke the same kind of generalized anti-Semitism that was provoked in Russia and Eastern Europe by the Radical ancestors of our current company of Czars. If what I am referring to seems enigmatic, read Slezkine, et. al.
To Patti Villacorta: I honor and salute your voyage. I began in a similar place and came around after living and working in a variety of Socialist and Communist countries. Let’s hope others come around, too.
glob’r, when you write “the anti-religious Jews”, I think you’ve already answered your own question. People like Ayn Rand and Jon Haidt fall in this same category. What do we make of them?
My point with respect to cherry-picking is that if you’ve set out to prove a thesis, you’re going to find what you’re looking for and miss the bigger picture.
And maybe you missed it (and are missing it), but there used to be very significant anti-semitism in the U.S. It’s still around, but not nearly as serious as, say, 40 years ago when I was growing up in Skokie, IL, a minority gentile among majority Jews. So worrying about a resurgence of anti-semitism because of BHO is a little silly, IMHO – especially since, as you note, it’s the secular, non- or anti-religious Jews (hmmm… are they still Jews, per se, if they’re anti-religious?) who seem to fit whatever statistically inspired conspiracy it is you’re cooking up.
In any case, Tony Rezko, Richard M. Daley, Frank Marshall Davis and many other non-/anti-religious Jews who were instrumental in giving BHO the various support that got him where he is will ensure, pretty much, that there isn’t going to be an anti-semitic “backlash” resulting from any damage he might do. If anything, the social group that will suffer most will be black people. In fact, black men are already suffering the most due to BHO’s economic policies, as they’re the group hit hardest by the rising unemployment his trillion-dollar $timule$$ failed to , at least since last November (ironically). If BHO succeeds, as he appears to be trying to do, in pushing us into a decade-long Depression like FDR did, or if – God forbid – we’re attacked by another country militarily or economically because the rest of the world rightly views him as a confused, arrogant weakling, it’ll be a long, long time before another black person is ever elected POTUS.
goy, You make some good points. I fear you may be all too prescient about the impact of BHO on blacks. What a tragedy if that is indeed the outcome. I think we both agree that BHO is beginning to make Jimmy Carter look good.
That said, I don’t think it is that “silly” to worry about a perceived identification being made between the Obama crowd and (Radical) Jews. The “Reverend” Wright has already made it: Remember his saying: “Obama’s Joos are keeping me away from him?” Blacks might eventually wake up to what BHO et al. are doing to them, and that could put gasoline on long-smoldering Black anti-Semitism. (It is not a great secret that Radical and Communist Jews were active in “organizing” the Black Community during the Civil Rights era, with the result (intent?) that much of the Civil Rights movement veered away from its original, strongly Christian orientation.)
The historical puzzle as to why Jews turn to Radicalism when they repudiate religion remains an interesting question in its own right. And, as Slezkine points out, when the backlash comes, it doesn’t seem to distinguish between non-religious vs. religious vs. atheist-but-capitalist, etc. etc. members of “the group.”
Thanks for an interesting discussion!
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How about this kiddies….
obammy mammy is a traitor. His ilk are criminal and enemies of the United States of America.
Impeach the bastard
This is truly frightening.
How do we get rid of these criminals?
It’s hard to see where all this talk about Leftist Jews is going to lead. I don’t see any reason to accuse anyone here of anti-semitism, and I agree that Jews have overpopulated the Left, but there’s nothing one can do other than fight the Left. It’s not like there is something about Jewish family life or communal life and that can be changed produces this phenomenon–the historical reasons seem clear enough to most people here, and will likely wind down over the next generation or so. Jews were always persecuted severely in Europe, and above all the Czarist Empire, that graveyard of nations, and with Emancipation gravitated to those forces most opposed to everything in the existing order they associated with that history of persecution. Also, since secular Jews left their traditions behind, they moved into all the new modern professions–media, science, academy, etc.–much more rapidly than less mobile ethnic groups and tended to identify with the modern world, not only as Leftists. So, Mises was Jewish, as was Milton Friedman–two of the greatest defenders of the free market ever. It’s true that the Jewish conservatives and libertarians were more likely to be individualists and hence didn’t put their stamp on history as did those who organized revolutions, but doesn’t that say more about the differences between conservatives and the Left than about Jews? The reason some might find some of the talk here sinister is because this whole process of identifying Jews seems like it serves the purpose of identifying targets. But what does saying Axelrod is Jewish, or Soros, add to the fight against these people? The frightful step would be the one that says, to cripple the Left, get rid of the Jews. I assume no one here wants to say that. So, where are you headed?
Barry Goldwater was not Jewish, by the way.
@48. globalizer: – That said, I don’t think it is that “silly” to worry about a perceived identification being made between the Obama crowd and (Radical) Jews.
But glob’r – look at what you just wrote: it’s a non sequitur. What is a “(Radical) Jew”?? Is this anything like a “(Radical) Catholic”? I mean, in the sense that both have abandoned their faith, what does that make them in relation to that faith?
The people you seem to be focusing on here are Jews who, by definition, no longer see themselves as Jewish – at least not in any religious or even spiritual sense. So I guess I’m left still wondering what you’re getting at. Is this just some novel statistic that has caught your attention? Are you looking for a way to “inoculate” American Jewry against succumbing to false logic and empty promise of leftist ideology? Like adam, I just wonder where you’re headed with this notion.
adam, goy:
It’s fair to ask where all this about Jewish radicals is headed. But I don’t think it needs to be headed anywhere. It’s simply an interesting fact with origins that are debatable. Whatever the origins are (and again I refer you to Podhoretz’s new book on the subject)it would be enormously helfpul to the country if the Jews used their remarkable abilities on our side of the aisle instead of the other side. My own belief is that this will only happen when Jews begin to be Jewish again and not just Jews, if you know what I mean. And my further observation, living in a largely Jewish area, is that the men will lead on this. The women, I’m sorry to say, are pretty much hopeless. The opposite of the gentile world where women are in the vanguard.