Mitt’s the Nominee. Get Used to It.
It’s been each man for himself for months. But early this morning, the fat lady sang. Do the math. Mitt Romney is the Republican nominee. Get used to it.
By continuing as long as it has, the process has become a grotesque public spectacle of internecine warfare, while the Democrats, alas, have their sole, unchallenged candidate ready to roll, each day collecting increasingly astonishing sums from the politically ignorant who fail to grasp what an unconstitutional political system they’re supporting by trying to prolong the Era of Obama.
To continue as the remaining candidates are doing — with each man out for himself — is now just plain stupid. Republicans are shooting themselves in the collective foot.
It takes no great powers of imagination to understand the joy in the West Wing as each Republican candidate slings as much mud as humanly possible at his rivals, making Obama’s task in September and October so much easier.
By appearing in hostile venues with “gotcha” interlocutors of the mainstream media, the Republican candidates — other than Romney – have made pre-school children in day care centers appear calm, mature, and self-controlled by comparison.
The MSM has turned them into a sitcom. The time to hesitate is through.
IT’S TIME TO CALL IN THE GROWN-UPS
There was once a time when both Republicans and Democrats had party elders. These were called, because of their actual gender, the Wise Men. Some had served in elective office, many were Wall Street and Washington lawyers who’d been Supreme Court clerks in their youth, others were captains of industry. A few were respected professors (an oxymoron today). All had a basic sense of how the world works. And how it doesn’t.
The Republican Party has a precious few: former Senator Alan K. Simpson of Wyoming, who did yeoman service as co-chairman the Simpson-Bowles commission only to have the president who appointed him say, “Who cares? I don’t.” There’s also former United States Supreme Court Associate Justice Sandra Day O’Connor; Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Senate minority leader; George P. Schulz, the 91-year-old former secretary of state; Henry A. Kissinger, the 88-year-old former secretary of state; former Utah Senator Bob Bennett; former President George Herbert Walker Bush; former Senator Bob Dole; and a handful of others.
The Republican Party has splintered and scattered itself to the point that Susan Eisenhower, granddaughter of President Dwight David Eisenhower, declared herself for Obama in 2008.
The time has come to summon the Republican Wise Men to meet with the four remaining candidates and give them a stern lecture about the damage and egotistical foolishness in which three of them continue to engage.
Yeah? Well I ain’t voting for the guy who invented Romneycare. Get used to it.
Spoken like a true baby, perfectly illustrating the author’s point. If I didn’t know better, I’d think she posted it herself.
She didn’t. But I do appreciate your point.
I totally agree with you, Belladonna. Those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it. For the ignorant-please look up Barry Goldwater in 1964 and George McGovern in 1972: both from the fringes of the left and right who lost in landslides and took other candidates of their parties down with them. Santorum will do the same thing — don’t fool yourselves. Romney is the way to go. The only one who will have a shot against Obama.
“Those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it.”
As in…repeatedly promoting ineffective moderate Republicans?!?
Goldwater lost due to the Kennedy-assassination-sympathy vote.
SHEESH. Talk about NOT learning from history!
Gee, Lil, I think you may be mistaken about Romney being the only one who will have a shot against Obama. Tell you what. Go to one of the vote-results blogs. First Note the votes for Romney. Then note the votes for Not Romney (Not Romney votes are votes for Paul+Santorum+Gingrich+Perry). Now how can an argument be made from these numbers that Mitt is the only one who can beat Obama when so many Republicans don’t even want him?
http://www.google.com/webhp?rlz=1C1ARAB_enUS440US448&sourceid=chrome-instant&ix=seb&ie=UTF-8&ion=1#hl=en&gs_nf=1&cp=8&gs_id=3q&xhr=t&q=current+2012+republican+primary+results+to+date&pq=2012+republican+primary+r
Mr Wallis is exactly right re the 64 election
after the JFK assassination no one but the Dem could have possibly won
I clearly remember the country looking forward to the election as a right vs left contest pre nov 63
I will not vote for romney for the same reasons I will not vote for obama
Not only did he invent Romneycare, it was the blueprint for Obamacare. He stated, in his own words, on several occasions that Obama should use Romneycare as a model at the national level including the mandate and tax penalties. But don’t take my word for it, Romney speaks for himself quite well in the clips. I believe Romney will get the nomination, but will people crawl through broken glass to vote for him? I doubt that very much, for a variety of reasons that I could go on and on about.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/mitt-romneys-suggested-three-times-in-2009-that-o
Actually “Romneycare” did not violate the Commerce Clause, therefore it is not a Constitutional liability.
You might also note Cynic that around 70% of the people who voted in MA cast a vote for Romney. They must of liked his leadership according to the stats.
Romney will make a fine President. He is pro-life, has promised to deal with immigration firmly and has also promised to end Obamacare.
The fact that Romney IS a rich man tells me he is a SMART man. He did not get rich from being stupid.
You must be extremely worried about Romney beating Obama Cynic because you sure spend alot of time trying to convince republican’s he cannot win – most of us know better. Romney is polling very well with women and Catholics. He pulled in over 11 million in donations during the month of February and those numbers will continue to rise. It will take lots of money to compete with Obama and his Hollywood dollars.
I agree with this author, “grow up.”
“Actually “Romneycare” did not violate the Commerce Clause, therefore it is not a Constitutional liability.”
According to a variety of sources neither does Obamacare, but we’ll leave that for SCOTUS to decide. Again watch the clips. Your argument isn’t with me but with your own candidate, who by his very words, IS the father of Obamacare. Take a moment to refute what he says. Again, your argument isn’t with me on that point.
“You might also note Cynic that around 70% of the people who voted in MA cast a vote for Romney. They must of liked his leadership according to the stats.”
That is beside the point. What matters is, again, the clips of Romney IN HIS OWN WORDS, recommending Obama use what he is obviously taking credit for in Mass. as a model at the federal level. No matter how much you try and twist it you can’t take back the words your candidate uttered out of his own mouth. Defend it or shut up.
“Romney will make a fine President. He is pro-life, has promised to deal with immigration firmly and has also promised to end Obamacare.”
Romney will never be president because he can’t get well over two-thirds of GOP primary voters to cast a vote for him. Look at the numbers. They don’t like him. Sure, some will reconsider and cast a vote for him if he is the nominee but it will not be energetically. They won’t walk for him and he’s been begging for money cause he’s running low. That alone will spell his doom. Oh, and he is pro-life this week. Next week or the next group he speaks to who knows.
“The fact that Romney IS a rich man tells me he is a SMART man. He did not get rich from being stupid.”
There are plenty of people who are smart and not rich. What do you mean by rich anyway? Sounds like you have a bad case of false consciousness. And what does rich have to do with being leader of the free world? You need to be really specific on that one. I’m waiting …
“You must be extremely worried about Romney beating Obama Cynic because you sure spend alot of time trying to convince republican’s he cannot win – most of us know better. Romney is polling very well with women and Catholics. He pulled in over 11 million in donations during the month of February and those numbers will continue to rise. It will take lots of money to compete with Obama and his Hollywood dollars.”
Romney will not win the female vote. If you want to cite polls, Obama is polling double digits better in that regard, with women AND Catholics. I would also add that Catholics, by and large are very socially liberal. The church says one thing the laity do another. That’s not news. Catholic women, for instance, have abortions and use birth control in the same or higher numbers than the non-Catholic population in general, so I’m not sure how you see how that translates into votes for Mitt Romney. Can you explain? And the money thing you bring up is a good point: how come with all his money he can barely make it out of the 20s in southern states and barely break even in swing states. Can you explain?
“I agree with this author, “grow up.”
I don’t agree with the author, but you should “wake up.”
Here’s another one for you to defend Debbie. Romney says quite clearly that the market based Romneycare approach in Mass. should go national. So, please explain to all of us (or anyone can take a stab at it) how Mitt Romney will repeal something that he is essentially the father of. The Affordable Care Act is almost a carbon copy of what Romney did in Mass. Like Romney care, it is market based and it mandates coverage in order to spread risk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BbLTovqG29g
Oh, and by the way, these little snippets are only the beginning. There’s a lot more where they came from.
Here is what I will explain to you Cynic:
Obama’s political machine is working as hard as you to upset Romney. Why, because Obama fears Romney. Obama is the creation of Santorum’s surge. Democrats crossed over here in Michigan to defeat Romney and it happened in Ohio also. Democrats are feeding Santorum’s PAC and unfortunately many republicans are overlooking the truth.
Unions have pumped millions of dollars in the race to defeat Romney and they are not done yet. Romney is not only defeating the unions, the liberal media, he is also defeating the ultra-conservative campaign smear.
Bottom line, he is winning in spite of all this. In my opinion, this makes him a very strong candidate. His religion and his healthcare bill are weak issues for you to be pushing and the links you post do not change my mind.
RomneyCare lives only because it is massively subsidized by FEDERAL (i.e. your and my cash) funds.
My politics are somewhat to the right of Pat Buchanan. I voted for Goldwater, feeling him to be kind of “lefty”.
I can’t vote for and CFR members-puppets/ These are all traitors, out to destroy our Republic and eliminate our constitutional rights in favor of a globalist, communo-fascist New World Order. Click on them and see that these are, in fact, their aims.Romney, Gingrich and Obama are all such. I would cheerfully vote for their detention in an asylum for the criminally insane, but public service is out of the question. Also, Romney espouses a nutcake religion, which no sane person can accept. Obama is a demoniac, but I cannot vote for Romney, a certifiable psychopath. Among the other bottom feeders, Gingrich has the morals of a sewer rat and is shameless to boot.I could vote for Santorum, a relatively good man, and he would then receive two votes- his mom’s and mine.Because our depraved electorate will never elect a Good man. They are overwhelmingly evil; hence love evil and, ergo, vote evil.Maybe its time to circle the wagons and shoot it out when they come for us. Seems like.
Thanks Debs for making another iron-clad argument for NOT voting for Mitt:
“You might also note Cynic that around 70% of the people who voted in MA cast a vote for Romney. They must of liked his leadership according to the stats.”
I totally agree with BD…Newt makes me sick every time i see his losing face…I wanted Sarah, then Ms. Bachmann, Then another….Now i wish that sickly looking Paul would just fold over,
……NEWT++ totally disgusting now… A fake
……Paul…..Ready to die at any given moment…Too OLD and YUK
….Rick Santorn…Just not your day good man, Gracefully Concede
HOO else….Fold and support Romney, or see 4 more yr. of Holder, Puglosi, Hillourious Hilly…Oh Yes…0zam-b0….and hundreds of Communists that he has slid into our lives….Sorry friends, I get a bit loony just the thought of 4 more….
Intelligence is not a virtue. In the hands of the malevolent, intelligence is dangerous.
Many of us not only dislike Romney because of Romneycare et al – but even more, after sober reflection and serious research, we do NOT believe Romney is electable against Obama.
We want to save our country and are passionate about defeating Obama. And Romney – in many of our opinions – is not going to be successful in that race.
Obama has had 3 years to prepare for a run against Romney (obvious to any political advisor that Romney would be the defacto nominee in 2012). OWS was engineered, anti-corporate and class warfare engaged, and Rommey fits the “rich Republican wall street country club white guy” motif to a tee. Just because we’ve grown “accustomed to his face” doesn’t mean others – all those others – will prefer him over Obama.
As for the mud-slinging, Romney started it, is best at it, and perpetuates the whole thing. One of his ads was so bad that Gingrich finally threatened libel if television stations ran it – and the threat worked because it WAS libel and utterly false.
Romney’s hostile takeover of the Republican nomination is, for many of us, worrisome because we see Romney losing to Obama. The MSM has hardly laid a glove on Romney while they’ve gone after Backmann, Santorum, Gingrich, and Cain with a passion. Why? What’s in Romney’s closet?
Just to make it clear that many of us do not believe “our betters” that Romney is electable. That’s all.
Seeing someone as “electable” or not electable is nothing more than speculation.
Romney is polling quite well against Obama and he is not even the official nominee.
I don’t believe in tarot cards. I believe in numbers and quite contrary to what the media is telling you – his numbers look good.
My point is that many, many of us are not petulant children who need to “grow up.” We are serious people who are serious about our country.
As far as the polling, Romney has been treated with kid gloves by the media. The polls are misleading. The Obama/media destruction machine hasn’t geared up on him yet. They want him to be the nominee. Bain Capital – a leveraged buyout company that is a “job killer” (quote from a Reagan venture capitalist) is Romney’s achilles heel. Romney’s money will not be enough to offset Obama’s money. Romney’s (barely adequate) skill with the media will not be enough to offset the media’s skill in destroying him.
Can’t enumerate 3 months of study here as to why many of us don’t believe Romney is electable. That point can be debated, agreed. But the motive is not petulance or childishness.
Do you really think that the whiner – santorum – who makes stupid statements all the time, and even though I might agree with him, his comments are interperet and scare a lot of people.
There is more to the anti-Romney than just 0b0z0 care.
He is the only man running or in the oval office who has had any business experience. He has taken over companies and made them profitable. He has let companies that couldn’t be saved, go through bankruptcy to maybe save them in the long run.
He has donated the money his father left to him. He has not taken 1 cent from the Olympics, his salary for gov was either $1.00 a year, or it was also donated (someone please enlighten me which), he donated 15% of his income to his Church and charity, he has also donated (as I figure) 15 years unpaid to his Church.
So please tell me how awful this man really is?
Sorry those of you who would take their vote and stay home, you are really an 0b0z0 supporter.
We cannot survive another 4 years of this man. I even worry, if he looses (pleased G-d, make it so) what damage he will do to the White House and how many signing statements he will make between Nov 4 and Jan 20. I think we should be like Britain, when you loose you move out. I would give him a week to get his stuff out, but that is all. I think the Brits give their PM the next day and that’s it.
I suggest you listen to this interview with a venture capitalist about Bain Capital – Romney’s claim to fame in the business world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmrEUHdwAwQ&feature=youtu.be
Seweing as how you claim you are so Anti Speculation, you must therefore vehemently disagree with this author, whose premise is nothing BUT!
Gee, Debbie, you sure sound confused to me.
@N0b0z0
Do you really think that the whiner – santorum – who makes stupid statements all the time…
You mean like, “I’ll bet you $10,000″? or “I don’t care about the poor” or “My wife drives two Cadillacs” or “The trees are the right height here” or “God has ordained my victory”?
Face it, Willard is a bigger gaff machine than Biden.
more proof that the median IQ only breaks three digits by one.
Ask yourself which is worse:
- Romney who will at least respect the rule of law and the will of the people, or
- Obama who respects neither and has no compunction about operating extra-constitutionally.
Between his gun control and his Romneycare, we already know he doesn’t respect the constitution or the rule of law.
I’ve been saying since he was running against McCain, Romney is non-starter.
Romney is for gun control even more so than McCain, so that says a lot right there. Likewise, he is just touting the pro-life line now out of political expedience. Before he was completely pro-choice. Romney will just lie about his positions and hope you are ignorant enough to believe them. But all you have to do is go back and listen to his own words (like in the link I provided above) and he speaks for himself, so it isn’t an issue of Romney hating. Romney will tell you what he thinks and where he stands. All you have to do is listen.
So, given the choice between Obama and Romney, you’d take… Obama?!?!
Romney is the liberal who will get some of what he wants.
Obama won’t.
Why do I want a liberal President getting more of what he wants?
You nailed it, Cynical wants Obama to win. The only question is whether or not Cynical Wonder is one of Obama’s small legion of blog trolls for hire. He seems to be on Obama’s talking points every morning, but that doesn’t really mean he is working for Obama. And even if he does work for Obama, we will just have to get used to these guys on all of our blogs until no Democrat wants to run for president anymore. This tactic worked for them last election, so they will repeat this every election cycle for at least the next thirty years. Only the end of the internet era will stop them. Democrats are stupid people, but not when it comes to getting elected. So, what is the deal, Cynical Wonder?
He governed as a pro life governor! What the heck don’t you understand about that? It makes me sick to see you lie about his record. Frankly, I don’t ever believe he was pro abortion!
So, given the choice between Obama and Romney, you’d take… Obama?!?!
Absolutely.
A 2nd Obama term will not destroy the republican party the way that a Romney term will.
He’s going to almost all of the same things as Obama, at a slightly slower pace, without any principled opposition from the reps and with the dems pulling him to the left.
Between his gun control and his Romneycare, we already know he doesn’t respect the constitution or the rule of law.
One problem with this: “Romneycare” is not unconstitutional in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, which is its sole jurisdiction. And, as a scholar such as yourself must know, anything not proscribed to the federal government in the COTUS is reserved for the states.
No it’s not unconstitutional.
But yes it is an expansion of government and stupid policy.
The fact that Willard refuses to admit that it was a mistake should tell everyone that he believes in expanding government and will go for stupid policies in the future. Which makes him a progressive, not a conservative, as he himself has said on numerous occasions in the past.
Anyone that can’t see that is engaged in willful ignorance.
It is what it is, either Obama or Romney – I have made my choice.
“So here’s the basic point: Neither Santorum nor Gingrich nor Paul can win this nomination prior to the convention unless one of them gets two-thirds of the remaining delegates. That is not going to happen. It is very unlikely that even together Santorum and Gingrich can win two-thirds of the remaining delegates.”
http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/after-super-tuesday/
So take it to the convention. I was livid when they harassed Huckabee to get out of the race four years ago, and I openly supported his explicit bid for a brokered convention. Ah, but the establishment can’t have that, can they? They can’t control a brokered convention, because the delegates have minds (and agendas) of their own.
Come on! We’ve got to pull together for whoever the candidate is! We will not survive another 4 years of Obama. You must realize that! I, too, have claimed for months that I would never vote for Romney, but, after hearing Andrew Breitbart’s speech at CPAC just before he died, I’m compelled to follow his lead and “ANYBODY BUT OBAMA.” We need to stand united and do everything we can to help regain the Senate and keep the House. Even if Romney is the candidate, I believe we can trust that he will not shred the Constitution like the present one has! And if we have a Congress who will hold him accountable, then we may be able to reverse the horrific damage that has already been done. Economy, healthcare…I could go on and on. WE CANNOT SURVIVE ANOTHER OBAMA TERM. Please reevaluate. Thank you.
You took the words right out of my mouth but you said them
better.
This will give us time to find and support conservative Senate
candidates. We can also add to the House.
Linds,
We need a landslide of coat-tails to make any difference in the direction we’re in.
Obama absolutely HAS to go, but Romney is only the lesser of two evils….
Without a conservative majority putting up/prioritizing the tone of legislation its not going to get any better.
Romney is a liberal, a northeast RINO, a Boston Statist.
He excites me in the negative way that Edwards did…
A shifty eyed used-car salesman, with fast talk, fake smile, and way too perfect hair…
If he is President with angry Democrats in the majority, it will be no better than today.
Yes, I’ll tow the line and vote for “R”, but without dominating the dialog with more senators and congressmen of a conservative stripe to MINIMIZE the damage he WILL DO on his own, we are doomed.
Can the republic be saved?
Probably not.
A Northest RINO is NOT the light at the end of the tunnel…
He just might be A TRAIN.
Republicans going for the “realistic” candidate has pushed the US further and further to the left.
Here’s the long and short of it. If the Senate swings Republican and the Republicans keep the House, all we need is somebody in the WH who will SIGN the legislation that a conservative Congress passes. It’s that simple. I would vote for a monkey if it could sign its name.
America can’t survive another term? Are you saying that we’ll all die if Obama gets re-elected? That there’ll be a giant, America-shaped crater on the globe? Not sure I’m following this assertion.
The easiest and most solitary way to govern is to rule by decree. Obama is nothing if not lazy and solitary. So, in a second term with no worries about re-election (and no media to hold him to account), he will just issue one unconstitutional decree after another — like that recent “recess” appointment that wasn’t — unless and until Congress impeaches him and ousts him from the presidency. This is very unlikely to occur (it has never yet happened in the history of the US) so when he leaves in 2016 the presidency is likely to have acquired all these new, extra-constitutional powers due to the Obama “precedents”. For this reason alone I like the idea of Romney being a “company man”. He would have as both his first and second impulse to do things “by the company book” — which in the case of the US government happens to be the US Constitution.
So, since Romney being a company man means that he’s less likely to take liberties with the Constitution, then I’m all for making the president a company man following the company book. It sure beats being ruled by the decrees of a lazy and solitary Obama.
Time for you to grow up. Romney can’t win because he has fractured the base. His politics of personal destruction has brought his own.
Romney’s enemy is not Obama; it is the conservative base.
He’s toast. He can place Mother Theresa on the bottom of the ticket and he still won’t rally the base.
Been there done that.
You are backing a loser. Get used to it.
Whole heartedly agree JRD
Heartily agree!
Romney is Obama ‘lite’ and is the same old tired pseudo-conservative that the Establishment Republicans have always offered (like McCain, etc.). None of them has had any real principle or reverence for the Constitution or our rights. He said himself he would have signed NDAA. How stupid do you have to be to settle for that as a candidate?
And if you think Romney will garner any support from independents, or the true liberty wing of the Republicans, you just don’t get it. We will not vote for Establishment Candidate A (O’bama) OR Establishment Candidate B (O’Romney)!
All the candidates besides Ron Paul will continue to spend us into oblivion, take us to war illegally, and destroy what little liberty we still enjoy. May your chains rest lightly against you, should you vote for any of them besides Ron Paul.
Linda, We’re not at the national electon yet.
THAT’S the problem with these Mitt/Boot-Licking articles.
We’re at the PRIMARY stage, and since weeks prior to the first primary, one fool after another has bleated some variation on “Mittens is inevitable!” (with empasis on EVITA, I suppose…).
Aside from the insulting attitude, it’s putting the cart before the horse to END the Primaries now. The attitude is closer to that of Obama’s minions…making it all the more repulsive!
That’s how Obama got in in the first place. Time to grow up, don’t you think?
Then you’re a fool. And the foolishness you’re indulging yourself in, your childish, petulant fit of pique, is bordering on treason.
Given the utter incompetence of the incumbent and the cabal of nincompoops, malcontents and nitwits he surrounds himself with, any alternative is a vast improvement. It’s too bad you’re too stupid to see that.
@ Ramish:
Perhaps you need to learn who Mitt Romney is. Have you read this article? Pretty impressive man if you ask me:
“Let’s start with the economy. When Mitt was elected Governor, Massachusetts was on the verge of financial disaster. Workers across the state were being laid off at the rate of thousands a month.”
Our state budget was bleeding red ink, and Democratic politicians were proclaiming that only tax increases could fill the gap. Raising taxes, of course, was not Governor Romney’s way. Quite the opposite. With the same energy and intelligence he brings to every challenge he faces, he brought efficiency to our state government. He streamlined our budget and cut unneeded programs.”
“Without raising taxes—indeed, he cut taxes nineteen times—he balanced the budget every year of his term. By the end of four years, he had turned a $3 billion deficit into a $2 billion rainy-day fund. With the state government’s finances in order, the economy picked up steam. Unemployment at the end of Mitt’s term was 4.7 percent, a rate the state envies now.”
“But the economy was not the only realm where Mitt was a leader. He cracked down on illegal immigration by vetoing an in-state tuition bill and by authorizing state troopers to detain people who had entered the country illegally. When Democrats caved to the teachers unions and sought to impose a one-year moratorium on publicly-funded charter schools, Mitt successfully turned back their efforts.”
http://www.mittromney.com/news/press/2012/03/mass-…
Thanks Anonymous (did you hit the send button before you filled it out?) – he is a good man and he is reaping all the hate. Imagine everywhere you go all they are saying the “anti-Romney!”
I get really sick of it!
They try to disparage him because he went to congress to get additional money for security for the Olympics, well it was a few months after 9/11 and the feds always paid for security. I personally am very grateful because I volunteered and I felt safe and secure because of that security.
Anyone but 0b0z0!
My apologies for hitting the send button too quickly.
Clearly you are unaware of the video of Romney gloating over the massive amount of money he got from the Feds…and NO, NOT because of 9/11! BECAUSE THAT’S WEHERE THE MONEY IS.
What a LOSER Romney is!
team obama thanks you for your support.
that’s one of many reasons I won’t vote for him either!! I don’t vote for liberals….what is wrong with people that they seriously think that the key to beating obama in november is to have a candidate that is eerily similar to him?!?
So you’d rather have the author of Obamacare as President for 4 more years? Because that will be result of all this “anybody but Romney” stuff. Belladonna is absolutely right.
So you are voting for that Slime in the White House? you are an Idiot. Or you are not going to vote at all, you are going to get stoned and troll the net on Vote day? You are TWICE an Idiot
Amen. Neither am I. I only vote with my conscience. I would rather not even vote. That is my right. I believe in true Christian Conservative principles and am a proud newly Independent!! It’s time we stop spitting on God and we need to start blessing God. He has blessed this country dearly. Be blessed!! I guess my true vote is for more of God
So Ramesh, you have already voted for Obama? Not voting or voting for someone else when there is no path for the others is pretty much a vote for him. The Republican Party is over with attitudes like that. Why don’t the conservatives that are so angry go form their own Party? They seem to be itchen for a new one, but without the guts to do it.
Seems to me that a non-vote cannot be counted for anyone, Jettboy, but if I’m wrong, then feel free to count my non-vote for Romney if it makes you feel better to say so. If Romney is the nominee, then Republicans have already shot themselves in foot.
A Romney nomination = GOP has waived the white flag.
Nothing lasts forever and that includes the land of the free.
and just who is it nominating Romney
Oh that’s right it is the Republicans
Time to end this spectacle. Neither Santorum nor Gingrich are electable. Santorum is too heavily invested in the social issues, while Gingrich’s only asset is that he is a good debater, but arrogant and abrasive. Neither would make a good leader. Romney is far form ideal, but he is electable and that is what this is all about. Santorum and Gingrich would be doing the Republican party a favor by gracefully bowing out. While Santorum comes across as a very comitted and earnest person, somebody needs to tell him enough is enough. How to reason with the ego-maniacal Gingrich is a bigger problem. If we cannot move forward, wee are going to be stuck with Obama for another four years, and that will finish this country.
Personally, I like the spectacle, Carla. It’s newsworthy. It keeps Republicans in the headlines, and on TV. Our ideas get heard. As soon as the spectacle is over, so is the spotlight. Romney just isn’t interesting enough for the MSM to bother covering his speeches. The presumed nominee will get a media blackout, while the President gets nearly a year of media coverage. Long live the spectacle!
smart and so correct.
Well Said! AGREED.
Let’s go fight the REAL ENEMY. That Socialist Scumbag in the White House!
Belladonna: Bend over. Get used to it.
Now, *that* didn’t sound very nice, did it, Belladonna?
So, why be so insulting and demeaning to us?
Tsk, tsk, tsk…….
After all, it’s the Mitt/Boot-Licking pundits who have been busy weeks before the Primaries even *began* yammering that Mittens is “inevitable.”
And you think that one-third of the way into this, with Mittens STRUGGLING, that same bleating will be any more persuasive?!
Umm…NO.
You may consider being realistic the same as being demeaning. It isn’t. It wasn’t I who suggested that anyone bend over. If that’s what you read, then you read something that wasn’t there. I’ll thank you not to put words into my mouth only to disagree with them. If you wish to have an argument with yourself, be my guest.
You don’t do the same thing and expect different results if you are sane. The only reason to actually support Romney is that you like the worst of GWB, and want more of the same.
The usual RINO compromise, give a little to get a little got us into this mess, not less than the Dems did.
If Obama is re-elected, it is a reasonable certainty he will face an R house and senate which will hem him in and permit him nothing. Romney is a liberal who will get some of what he wants.
It behooves me to make every effort so he is disappointed.
As if Obama has let the current Republicans in Congress slow him down at ALL…
Actually he has. Minor counterfires like the contraception mandate likely won’t stand the courts, and don’t advance his agenda unless they do.
Although it’s good political theater for him if Rush steps on his own shoelaces while responding.
Well known Obama troll.
You LIE. Your smears detract from your sycophancy to Mittens.
Look here! Mr Ed pops up again. Just like a damned broken jack in a box. It sure looks like, with 3 third place, 5 fourth place, and 1 no show out of 10 events, Newt got creamed again last night. This is looking more like a personal vendetta instead of a campaign on the part of Gingrich.
I disagree. Gingrich collected quite a few delegates. Depends on what/how you’re counting.
ps. If anyone can listen to this speech in March 2011 without wanting to vote for Newt, I’ll eat my hat.
http://thedaleygator.wordpress.com/2011/11/28/videos-newt-gingrich-what-an-american-president-should-sound-like/
See the info posted in #60, and post again once you’ve changed your diapers.
re: Belladonna’s reply
Great response!
then don’t give him the dignity of a reply i.e don’t join the argument
I feel like I’m supposed to salute, but I’m not sure to what.
I disagree; Romney may well end up with the nomination, but it’s important that he (or the nominee chosen by a possible brokered convention) have a good sense of how strongly held within the Republican party ideas are like those held by Messrs. Gingrich, Santorum, & Paul.
I agree, but I bet he gets it by now. If not, there are still plenty of tea partiers to remind him.
It ain’t over until someone gets the required number of committed delegates. Respect the process, and respect the voters.
Get used to it.
Generally a protest vote is ok if you must. But we currently have a devout socialist in the oval office, and the only thing holding him back at this point is the need to appear moderate enough to get re-elected. Give him another four years without the election on the horizon and it will be the end of the United States of America.
This is the most important election in the past 160 years, and the result will define the future of America. Either we elect anyone but Obama that understands finances, or we re-elect Obama and head down the road to socialism and financial ruin.
I have been wondering where our Wise Men were; it has felt like they were abdicating responsibility in a way. They might say, “We don’t go where we are not wanted,”, but when parents cop that attitude, the child can fall into very serious messes.
We are an ego, sound-bite driven country on the surface, anyways. And politicians at this level are by nature egomaniacs on some–or many–levels. So I can’t see the Three bowing out gracefully anytime soon.
Mitt may not be what we want, but he is what we got, and what we need at this moment.
The Republicans and Conservatives have to look past their own noses,grow up, and come together to get Obama out of the White House.
The Wise Men could sure help. Get off your couches! Cheney, that means you too!
Well said.
“Wise men” certainly has a nicer ring than “unprincipled, time-serving, power-brokering s**tpokes who never met a principle they wouldn’t gleefully betray.” They hire a new publicist or something?
We are so screwed…
Santorum is not a viable candidate. Ron Paul is not a viable candidate. Newt Gingrich is interesting and has a lot of powerful things to say, but he’s not a viable candidate. I wouldn’t vote for for the first two. But I would happily vote for Romney.
If Romney is the nominee then Obama gets a second term.
Having Mittens carrying the Republican flag =
— No Running against Obamacare. Too many quotes out there where Romney supported and praised it. His late campaign conversion claim to issuing executive orders to allow states to opt out won’t work.
— Endless Stories about that ‘Strange Cult’
— Exposes of Romney’s hidden other wives. I’m sure that the Rohm already has the interviews scripted by these actresses.
— Ongoing war on The Rich, Out of Touch Republicans. These will be backed up with the quotes about all her Cadillacs and how a multi-multi millionaires wife doesn’t feel rich
Remember, Romney won’t be able to run wall to wall lies in the general election like he has in the few states that he has won primaries in.
What many posters don’t understand is that Romney IS the weakest candidate. I recall Donna Brazille saying on some news program a while back that they look forward to running against Mitt Romney because it is their belief that he is the weakest candidate. I thought that was telling. Romney is in the same league as McCain and Dole and he will share their same fate. Republicans were not excited about those candidates and they are even less excited about Romney, so what does that say?
I don’t believe for one minute that the Administration believes that Romney is the weakest candidate. Even my teenage daughter mentioned to me how absurdly anti-Romney all the press coverage has been. I pointed out to her that was because the MSM sees him as Obama’s biggest threat, and she agreed. If my kid can figure it out, you can bet Team Obama can.
The media have been propping him up ever since he was selected by them as the ‘front runner’
And the reason they are propping him up is precisely the reason I outlined. He is the weakest candidate.
@Dana
It’s somewhat true though. The only times I see Romney truly raked over coals is when it’s a super-PAC ad that is against him.
The rest seem to echo the author. Romney’s the winner. Get used to it.
Of course he’s chilled. I’d be chilled too if I were declared a shoo-in. Only time I saw him truly gun it and scramble is when there were real chances that he would lose.
I’m a lot less adverse to a Romney presidency than I was when this started but I want him put through the political wringer not to crush him but to “drown-proof” him against attacks.
I box and the first time in the ring I was leveled by one punch. But over the years I’ve learned to take it better NOT by them going easy on me but by forcing me to push it to the limits.
Romney should get called on every single issue until he can belt out the particulars without a stutter or twitch because Barack will make this race look like pre-school. Best get him used to it now.
@Carn
You might be right regarding the advertising. I am blissfully unaware of that, I don’t watch TV or listen to the radio and get only one real paper newspaper which is local. My (and my daughter’s) source of news is exclusively the internet and she was specifically talking about Yahoo! News, while I pretty much read everything else from CNN to Real Clear Politics.
That’s probably it. Not that you should watch it on TV. I steer clear of most news (direct an opinion) shows in general. But most anti-Romney missles come from the Super-Pacs.
Like i said. I’m not anti-Romney but I’m not going to give him an easy out if one doesn’t exist.
You can believe whatever you want. Romney is the weakest candidate and when he loses you will have egg on your face because you couldn’t see Mitt McGovern for what he really is.
The name “Cynical Wonder” fits you, because cynicism is the flip side of naivete, which I think your comments here reflect.
The reality is that no one who voted for McCain in 2008, or who stayed home on election day 2008 because they didn’t like either candidate, is going to vote for Obama in 2012. No one. At the same time, throngs of moderates and swing voters who foolishly voted for Obama in 2008, have since had their eyes opened by the arrogance, lawlessness, and incompetence of King Barack, and will race to the polls to dis-elect him in 2012. It’s therefore crucial that the Republican candidate appeal to swing voters, and Romney’s the only one who does. And as long as Romney keeps hitting hard on the themes of less government and more capitalism — which are issues on which he has credibility — conservative voters will come out for him too.
Romney is almost as electable as John McCain was. I hope people think this through a little better. Obama will own Romney by November.
A rack of hammers would be better than Obama. The difference this election cycle is that we’ve all got to be involved more. we’ve all got to be more active and get out there and WORK to insure that Obama doe snot get a second term, even if that means a sack of hammers in the White House instead.
The race is great, keep it going, and Romney is not even close to what he needs to win.
Similar arguments were made in the past to goad conservatives to swallow hard and nominate the likes of Bob Dole and John McCain.
Going for Mr. Squish-moderate didn’t work out back then and it won’t work today.
I am not happy with any of the candidates. As far as Mitt is concerned, I think the man is a human wind sock. He will bend to whichever way the political winds blow (or at least the way the media report them to be blowing). He will never work to repeal Obamacare nor tackle the $99+ trillion in unfunded entitlement bills coming due.
I want this primary process dragged out clear to a brokered convention. Maybe.. just maybe we will get a candidate and platform geared towards real reform: For example: Paul Ryan’s plan for entitlements coupled with Rand Paul’s proposed budget cuts.
** Going for Mr. Squish-moderate didn’t work out back then and it won’t work today. **
I loathe Obama, and from the very beginning was disturbed by the cult of personality that was the very essence of his campaign. He blathered on about “hope & change”; I kept asking hope for WHAT, change TO what, and HOW. I didn’t WANT America to fundamentally change; I wanted it rebuilt by relatively sane folks with a dedication to constitutional principles. (and get the g.d. debt under control! as well as the deficit! stop spending money like a drunken sailor! My dad served in the navy during WWII, and my husband recently asked him, “Hey, just how much $$ DOES a drunken sailor spend?” Dad’s deadpan reply? “ALL OF IT.”
IMHO a lot of people, esp. those commenting in this forum, are way more vested in the upcoming elections (and *usually* more informed) than the general public. But one thing appears to have been forgotten, specifically re: the “squish-moderate”: Obama has dragged the country, albeit a lot of it kicking & screaming, so FAR to the left that a sqsh-mod is the best we can hope for to BE ELECTABLE. Look at it this way — at least we’ll swerve dramatically back to the right. We may only end up a little past center-right, but it won’t be an all-out far left attack on the Constitution, which is what we have now.
As important as the presidency is as a figurehead, we really need to start working on the House/Senate races. That’s where the *real* battles will be fought.
I am not resigned to being deeply stupid without a fight. I’m also more than a bit irritated with the puditocracy rubber stamping this same opinion again and again. It was tedious last June, and it’s getting more insulting every single day.
Roger and Friends: Shut up telling us to shut up.
Ms Rogers, I agree with your assertion, but only because it is my gut feeling. When you told us to “do the math”, I was hoping you would include some math in the article to support the position. Perhaps in a later post, you could do so.
the math is something to the effect of: if the primaries continue as they have then romney will win the nomination; it will take him through the summer to get there though and does not acccount for the other candidates gaining a hot streak or getting any significant momentum
Here it is: http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/how-math-virtually-guarantees-romneys-nomination/416016
Is it not possible that there could be a brokered convention? I invite the intellectual firepower on this forum to weigh in on this possibility. It seems to me, as in Ohio, people want “not Romney.” Maybe a brokered convention is Gingrich’s goal as a payback to Romney.
If the Stupid Party weren’t stupid, they would run Ryan/Rubio or Ryan/Rice on a platform of fiscal conservatism plus nothing and win.
Belladonna,
I am in complete agreement with your comments. And, I am prepared for the childish retorts like the first one who refuses to vote for Romney because of his healtcare bill in Mass. I may not agree with it either but when noone takes time to consider an important aspect of the Mass. healthcare bill, they demonstrate a lack of reasoning ability.
Romney has admitted to the flaws in the bill he sponsored and was passed. He has the experience of learning what to do and what not to do. I would rather have someone who has been there, done that than another novice who has no clue and has no experience in the actual business of governing.
We do not have the proverbial Republican savior waiting to suddenly come out of the shadows and give us a better candidate who can defeat Obama. This is the reality of the situation.
I am not a big fan of Romney either but I will campaign for him if he is the nominee. With that said, once he is the nominee, it will be a very difficult task to pursuade the voters to trust him when the spectacle of the primaries and the so-called debates have been presented as the face of Republican politics and policies.
Every small negative news article about some of the idiocy of the Republican Party is taken to national levels and exploited. Laurens County in South Carolina decided to publish a Purity Pledge list of qualifications for any candidate before they would allow or endorse them to run as a Republican. This was a local party move, not sponsored or approved by the state party. Yet, it received national attention and tied to the national party as the extremist request it actually is.
The Limbaugh comments about Sandra Fluke have been tied to the coattails of the Republican Party and further diminished the chances of unseating Obama in the upcoming election.
If you are looking for purity, go buy a bottle of purified water in a glass container, you will have better luck. This country bought the Obama snake oil in 2008. If Republicans don’t present a united front, we will have 4 more years of the same.
The other point of extreme importance is that we stand a chance of losing seats in the House and Senate because of the silliness and outright insulting image of conservatives as represented by the 4 candidates vying for the nomination. Once voters make up their minds to vote for a presidential candidate, they usually follow party lines and vote a straight ticket. Not all but most are guilty of party line voting. If we are still fractured by the beginning of the summer and the bickering and public infighting is still prevalent, Obama will have what he had in 2008, a majority in congress in both houses and the White House.
However, Gingrich, Santorum, and Paul have the right to remain in the hunt and continue to stand in a circle shooting at each other until noone remains standing or capable of putting up a real contest against Obama. I fear this is the ultimate fate of Republicans as they continue to allow liberals and the media define who they are with the help of the “Tragic Three” who keep reloading and shooting at the least objectionable of the four.
Yawn.
Yawn x 100
Both of you can “yawn” as many times as you like or until hell freezes over. We will see how you “yawn” when Obama wins in a “yawner” come November due to the endless infighting on the Republican, conservative side.
Congratulations.
Amen, Bart.
“Yawn” is not a comment. “Yawn X 100″ is not a comment. These are fifth-grade level insults. Yours are among the rare comments of a thinking person here. A lot of shouting, a lot of ALL CAPS and it’s nothing but sound and fury, signifying nothing — nothing except the infantile rage of the baby who can’t have exactly what he wants exactly when he wants it. With babies, we’re understanding. With adults, not so much. Don’t let these comments get you down. Many other readers agree with you.
I totally agree….Mitt was the very last person that i wanted///…..But now he is probably going to be the man….we all must get our acts together, and show a unified front
For all who are against Romney as is your right, which one of the other three do you think can defeat Obama and why? Most have stated reasons of why they are against Romney but please change my mind and tell me why I should support Gingrich, Santorum, or Paul with some solid evidence that either one of the three can defeat Obama.
The very ugly truth is that this is field of candidates the best we can offer to run against Obama. Please, someone give me a good reason to support any one of the other three. If Obama could win with his name, background, and ideologies leaning sharply toward the far left and socialism, why can’t Romney win with less baggage than Obama was carrying?
Bart:
The more conservative wing of the party see Romney as driving the United States over a cliff, only at a slower speed than Obama (who is got the peddle pressed to the firewall). In the end, the Republic is dead and we are all screwed. What is the point then of supporting Romney?
The compromise was made with Bush W… even though we got some temporary tax cuts we got saddled with: Open borders, expanding entitlements (prescription drug plan), stupid environmental laws (can we un-ban 100 Watt light bulbs?), more Federal govt. involvement where it should not be (No Child Left Behind). Bush didn’t get this country off the road to Serfdom. Why would Romney be any different?
If Romney is different, what has he said or done to prove otherwise? He comes off like a squishy technocrat, throwing some scraps to the conservative (with his most recent tax proposals). The problem is, I just don’t believe he will follow through because I don’t think he really believes in conservatism.
When the media and rest of the left goes on the attack, you have to have core principals to fall back on. If you don’t have them, you end up like a Christie Whitman or Arnold Schwarzenegger. There is no more time to play the RINO game.
First of all, I like your screen name. Sad but true about Newark. No offense.
I am a conservative on most matters and a moderate on others. I refuse to join any political party since my first experience with being a delegate to the first Republican county convention in the city I lived in years ago was less than enjoyable and very revealing about the “establishment” Republicans. Too darn many elites and snobs for my tastes. I was given a list of who to vote for to send to the state and national conventions. When I asked why I should vote for the names checked on the list, all I got back was a blank stare and “how dare you” attitude. Walked out and never looked back.
With that said, I have supported Democrats at times when their philosophies squared with mine as much as they could and I had vetted them properly. Mostly, I do vote Republican and do support most of the basic principles of the Republican party. What has transpired over the years is that both parties have morphed into caricatures of what were they once were. Because of the extremism on both sides, this nation is on a course that may never be changed. If Obama is reelected and if he picks up more senate and house seats, the possibility becomes even more remote that the present course will be changed.
I am not a Romney fan per se’. But, I am less a fan of Gingrich, Santorum, and Paul. Like many on this forum, I have been around and involved since JFK and the faux idealism of his term in office. I no longer kid myself into thinking that we can elect a purist for either side to office. We came close with Obama and we can see what damage has been done in less than 4 years. Imagine what another 4 years could bring.
Romney is not a superstar but experience tells me he can win if he gets the support of conservatives, independents, and Republicans. To get the support he needs, now is the time to “rally ’round the candidate”, not 2 or 3 months from now. It takes time to change minds and based on what I have been reading, hearing, and researching, Obama’s strength is building on the backs of disgruntled voters via disorganized Republican primaries where they keep taking potshots at each other, turning the electorate off, egged on by liberal biased moderators.
The way I see it, every Republican leaning voter who stays home this election is casting a vote for Obama. Romney will be the nominee and as a result, thousands of voters will opt out of voting and thereby, electing Obama by their absence and refusal to “hold their nose and vote for Romney”.
No, in the popular vernacular, “our choices suck” but if we don’t support and vote for our candidate, as John Denver said on the first show to get young people registered, “If you don’t vote, don’t bitch!”, especially when we move further and further left as a nation.
So, your solution is to just give up and let Obama have another term, is that it? Santorum can’t win; he’s embroiled himself in social issues and the Left has skillfully made him out to be a far-right lunatic. Ron Paul can’t win; his domestic policies are sound but he’d throw Israel under the bus and try to pull up the drawbridge on Fortress America–all the while ignoring the lunatics in Iran. Gingrich is brilliant, and a fighter, but he’s unpredictable and has a ton of baggage; his being elected is a long-shot. I honestly don’t know whether or not Romney can win, but I do believe that we should go with the “least likely to lose,” and unfortunately it appears that Mitt is that guy.
Reagan couldn’t win, until he did. I’m sick of electability- electability is not an issue. What difference does it make if the R wins if he doesn’t believe in anything we believe in?
Bart, please see the info in post #60, it’s a clear expanation why Gingrich is the strongest candidate of the bunch.
Mitt’s the Nominee. Get Used to It.
Perhaps, but does that mean Conservatives should support him? If I believe that both the Republican and Democrat candidates would work against my interests if elected then what’s the basis for my vote? I’m not a member of the party apparatus, I gain nothing from increasing the number of (R)-affiliated office holders. I don’t care about a candidate’s party affiliation, I only care about what they’ll do in office. Granted, my concern over what they’ll do immediately disqualifies the Democrats but why shouldn’t it also disqualify a large swath of Republicans?
I posted this from an earlier thread (http://pjmedia.com/tatler/comment/316628/) and am reposting because I’m lazy:
The standard “moderate” list always excludes the man who presided over the largest expansion of government since Nixon, the man who presided over the doubling of the budget, and the man who threw a GOP Congressional majority away. George W. Bush is the clear example why simply voting for a Republican can be a futile exercise. Yeah, we avoided Algore… but at what cost? Do you honestly believe a GOP Congress would have approved Algore’s “No Child Left Behind”? Do you seriously believe a GOP Congress would have expanded Medicare at Algore’s request? Do you think Algore would have been able to push the Department of Homeland Security past a GOP Congress? Do you think a GOP Congress would have said “OK” to an Algore Nation Building exercise? The answer to all is “probably not”. The danger from a moderate Republican President increases exponentially with a GOP controlled Congress.
I think it’s past time to stop voting for the “best of two bad alternatives” because that just guarantees that we’ll never get a good alternative. Romney is not a good alternative.
I am so sick of holding my nose every four years. Still believe Newt can get more done than any other candidate. I will however, vote for the nominee as anyone is better than Obama, and the RINO’s are counting on that.
Here’s to four more years of Pharaoh Nig-nog
This contretemps has a lot in common with the frequent Republican complaints that the Libertarian and Constitution parties “steal votes from us.” Some Republican partisans are aware of how whiny and irrational that sounds, but unfortunately, not enough of them.
The nomination campaign must continue on until some contender is honestly beyond the possibility of defeat. Until then, let whoever has a reason to stay in the running keep on as he has done, for several reasons:
1. It’s his right.
2. Votes and delegates accumulated during the nomination campaign translate to influence over the party platform, the nominee’s positions, the nominee’s selection of Cabinet appointees, and the choice of a vice-presidential nominee.
3. The distribution of votes and delegates among these four very diverse contenders will tell the GOP something it badly needs to know about the distribution of opinions and priorities among Republican allegiants.
The Republican nominee, whoever ultimately wins that position, should be sensitive to the considerations above. Indeed, inasmuch as no one among the contenders is likely to win a landslide in the November ballot, the information amassed as the nomination campaign goes on could be critical to positioning the party and the nominee to win the general election. Beyond that, should the nominee lose the general election, the information garnered from the nomination campaign will be of even greater importance.
Weary of the campaigning? So am I. But that doesn’t make it sensible to decree that it should come to a halt, just so we can have some rest.
Excellent post that sums it all up very nicely. We should all resist the urge to throw in the towel so early on in this campaign season. The 24-hour news cycle atmosphere has us inundated with info-overload that prompts this weariness with the process. But we should all be patient & allow all the rest of the people who have yet to vote & have their voices heard.
I’ll wait till we see how this all pans out. Thank you.
I’ll support him (reluctantly) when he’s declared the nominee. Not a second before.
But right now Romney is getting hit and if he can’t handle it then he’ll fall hard against Obama.
No easy passes. He either earns it or he fails. I’m not being his crutch.
Bottom line: January will see one of two men inaugurated, either Obama or Romney. As uninspiring as Romney is, he is the vastly more preferable choice, especially since the November elections won’t just be about the presidency, but also congress, and who controls it.
So long as Romney doesn’t pull a McCain and essentially hand the election to Obama, he should win. The math simply works that way… Unless Conservatives DO refuse to vote for Romney, out of some misguided “principles.” Obama won in 2008 by a not overwhelming margin under just such circumstances. He can’t get any MORE people to vote FOR him than he had then, and is likely to receive far LESS support in 2012, given the disaffection of a large number Independent voters, that of those no longer entranced by the “historical” election of a black man, and that of some few members of his own base who may feel betrayed by his policies, and his lack of action.
Meanwhile, the simple prospect of repealing Obamacare has many people salivating at the prospect of voting AGAINST Obama, never mind all the other negatives attached to his regime which Romney (or whoever gets the GOP nomination) had best be prepared to attack unrelentingly. The single biggest obstacle? Apathy or antipathy towards Romney.
So, if you don’t want to see what an Obama unfettered by the risk of re-election will do for the NEXT four years, hold your nose this November, and pull the lever for the GOP, whoever is on the ballot. =’[.]‘=
“hold your nose” elections rarely work out favorable for the ones holding their nose. In fact, I can’t think of one, can you?
We have never had a president like the one in office. We will not survive as a country – he has signed so many signing statements that we have no idea of and just think of what he will do with no election to worry about!
How much better do elections turn out when one simply gives up in disgust and lets the other team win? I am not at all reluctant to express my lack of satisfaction with Romney as candidate (and the field of GOP candidates, generally), but if he is what we end up with, he’s still better than Obama. =’[.]‘=
There is a precedent: the 1850′s with the Whigs. It was necessary for social conservatives to break ties with them and form the Republican Party, leading to the election of President Lincoln in 1860. I hope we don’t wind up with a civil war this time, but we will no more agree to assent to abortion remaining legal than our predecessors did to slavery, and if the Republican Party can’t accept that, then good riddance to them; we’ll start our own party, no matter the cost. “Let justice reign, though the heavens may fall.”
An astonishing factoid about the Ohio exit polls I found at the Daily Caller:
“Santorum won a plurality of Democrats by 20 percentage points and a plurality of independents by 6 percentage points.”
When Romney is clearly the one who is supposed to be LESS conservative and appeals MORE to weak Dems and independents? I think this little tidbit is pretty good proof the Dems were once again out voting for Santorum because they perceive him to be weaker than Romney in the national election. (Remember, about 10% of the voters in Michigan were thought to be registered Dems, probably voting for Santorum at the behest of the far left).
Another astonishing fact: Look at the Ohio map and look at all the areas Romney won and the areas Santorum won. All the areas Romney won are areas Obama will win in the fall. All the areas Romney needed to win he didn’t. Romney, for sure, is the more moderate candidate and that is evidence by the more moderate voters who voted for him. However, come the general election, when voters are faced with the Democrat or the Democrat in drag they will vote for the real Democrat.
Yes, I saw that. But I interpret that differently than you do. I think Romney will compete effectively against Obama in the urban areas, and mostly keep the votes Santorum won in the rural areas.
I interpret that differently than you do. I think Romney will lose against Obama in the urban areas (McCain did), and mostly lose the votes Santorum won in the rural areas. History backs my position up. By contrast all you have is a hunch.
Obama will lose the urban areas to a Republican. That’s funny, really funny. You must be very young and hopeful, but not too aware of voting patterns. I live in a hard working middle class suburb of NYC but Know that my vote in Nov. will make no difference. New York City, and the other large cities of my state will ensure a state win for Obama. The demographics of big cities are forever blue, not red.
Dana doesn’t get it. And she has nothing to back up what she says except her wishing, which is fine. As I said, all of the areas where Romney won are areas where Obama will win in the fall. All the areas where Santorum won, Romney may win, but turnout will be severely depressed and not able to overcome the urban areas where, let’s face it, all of the populating basically lives. So, basically that means Romney loses.
I’m not thinking of the ingrained Dem vote here. The number of self-identified Dems has plummeted in the last couple of years, while the number of independents has grown dramatically and republicans have more or less held steady. Of course Obama has a hard-core group of voters who will never vote for anyone else, but neither you or I know what proportion of the Ohio voting public that might be. And every other vote is up for grabs.
BRIETBART: Now, MORE POWERFUL than anyone can possibly imagine!Many citizens are motivated to push back on Team Obama and his cultural Stormtroopers: This includes a Hollywood producer and a freelance journalist giving “Managing Media” lessons. We apparently will have to do the work Team Romney does not want to do.
Bob H.W. McMittens?
Pfft.
I KNOW he’ll be the nominee, and I might vote for him, but I’ll never support him, and I’ll look for a primary challenger come 2016 IF he gets elected. But he won’t. Because he can’t. Romneycare.
Get used to it.
Touche! You watched the clips that all the others are in denial about and the Obama team will wrap around Romney’s neck. I have yet to hear one person on this post refute what Romney himself said in the clips, not even one … crickets. They won’t because they can’t. Therefore, they just live in a land of make believe and ignore what is coming directly out of the mouth of their own candidate.
What rubbish. Based on the demonstrated track record of Mittens NEVER holding onto a single position of importance (AKA “flip flopping”), I do not believe a single words he says. That you do shows your gullibility only.
“Time for Republicans to stop shooting themselves in the foot.”
See, here’s where I think we differ.
I HATE the “Republicans,” and would gladly support another alternative as long as it’s viable.
Yes, time to toe or is it tow the party line like good little subjects. Dont even think about mentioning the fact that our candidate is giving the current administration a pass on rising gas prices and energy costs even though they have stated that energy costs will rise pursuant to their plans.
Yet the Conservative base refuses to support Mittens at this point. I’m not going to vote for Mittens next Tuesday. Romney’s problem is the Conservative base does not want him. Get used to it.
From my perspective, it is not about Mitt Romney. What bothers me is this increasingly-pervasive idea that actually having all the primaries in all the states and letting people in those states make a choice so that the would-be candidates can go to the convention and fight it out (which is what a convention is for) is somehow a “betrayal of the process.” Or something.
Dammit, we have 50 states, and the party stalwarts in all those 50 states are entitled to make their preference known as to whom they want to be the party standard-bearer. It’s not up to the media, the pundits, the blogosphere, yadda yadda. It’s up to the voters. The voters—remember them?
No, I don’t like Romney—and I believe that he’s a guaranteed loser. But that, of itself, is immaterial; I will vote for Extruded Plastic Android Man if he is, in the end, the (shudder!) nominee. But he’s not the nominee yet. Indeed, by the swiftly-discarded standards of Pundit World, Newt Gingrich is already the nominee for winning South Carolina. That’s what they said leading up to the SC primary, because “nobody had won the nomination in 30 years unless they first won South Carolina.” So the primaries should all have been yanked, right there—right?
Well, of course not. And the establishment Republicans didn’t want the ol’ Amphibian anyway. So on we go with the Romnoid—and now, after we have slightly better than a quarter of the states heard from, we are supposed to suddenly crown Checked Shirt Man the Party King—voters in 3/4 of the country be damned, and if you dare object we’re in some sort of suicide pact.
Pardon me all to hell. That “suicide pact” is the primary process, designed to let the voters choose their nominee. Is Romney’s mojo so thin that it will be exhausted if he has to fight his way to actually claim the proper number of delegates? Then maybe—just maybe—he ain’t quite the winner he’s being sold as.
A breath of fresh air. Let the game continue. Maybe, just maybe, there will be a multi-vote convention, and a real conservative will emerge.
Four years ago, I said, “Don’t blame me, I voted for Huckabee.” I likewise pledged to fund the Huckabee campaign in 2012 if he sought it. Why? Because Huckabee had heart and skill- he knew what was important and how to fight for it. He had beaten the Clinton machine three times on its own turf, and he didn’t drop out until McCain clinched the nomination on pledged delegates. I endorse drafting Huckabee in a brokered convention, should that come to pass, and I fully endorse the idea of fighting for a brokered convention.
I think you need to add the word losing to that “get used to”…meme.
It’s not just the primary voters outside of New England and the Mormon heavy mountain states who don’t like the taste of this brand of dog food. The independents I’ve talked to don’t like Romney very much either. They despair over Obama’s policies but they still think he’s a nice guy who has good intentions. They don’t trust Romney’s promises and they think Romney will slime anyone who stands in his way.
If it is choice between someone who has silly energy policies involving pond scum and someone who is pond scum, guess who wins?
That’s not the choice at all and you know it. Shame on you. Obama is not just a guy with “silly energy policies involving pond scum.” Calling any of his policies silly is beyond disingenuous. They are ideologically driven and extremely dangerous and are dragging our country down the drain. Fine if you don’t like Romney but to call him far worse than Obama is appalling.
Vanilla is still the most popular ice cream flavor in America.
Chocolate Rocky Road is yummy, exciting, delicious, textured, complicated. And it is not the most popular ice cream in America.
ABO: Mitt Romney. Fine. I’ll vote Vanilla.
The weakest candidate in the field is Obama. He can talk all he wants about birth control pills; it’s his economic record which dooms him. And it’s not the dodgy ‘unemployment rate’ figures, it’s what people see around them, what they or their friends and family are experiencing in the Obama Economy. Investors are holding onto their money, waiting out this disaster.
People in this condition will go for the guy with credibility in the economic sphere. Romney has that. Conservatives in the Senate are the key to keeping him on track in other areas.
I voted for the last guy I didn’t like, and who won’t shut up, and I’ll vote for Mitt, too. When do we start getting to the it’s-not-their-turn candidates? I think I could really get behind that as a working concept. Get used to it. Some new buzz phrase? “Hey, Socialism, it’s what’s for dinner–get used to it.”
Madonna mia!! Call in the Sages? If Mitt is nominee, I’ll vote for him. Until he bags the nomination, I’m agin’ him.
What wise men? It is just another case of giving the candidate from the last election his turn. That’s how we got McCain: a weak, middle of the roader when we needed someone stronger. Romney is as out of place with the American working man as Joe Biden was with a shotgun – and that is just at first glance. I’m not going to get into his policies or his personality, just answer me this: what good is the Tea Party if it cannot affect change in the primaries? It seems to me that Cain was the Tea-darling, but ever since he was dropped, ever thing has gone back to the RINOs.
I’ll vote for Romney if it comes down to him. But that will not stop me from voicing my beliefs. He does not represent what I stand for, and once again, I must hold my nose when I cast my ballot. Meet your new party boss, same as the old boss.
This Romney-is-just-like-Obama rhetoric is sorely misguided. Romney is not like Obama. Romney is not an ultra-leftist, socialist ideologue who surrounded himself with big C commies & terrorists. He is a yankee, upper-crust country-club chap with a business background. Neither of these sound so hot but I’ll take the latter over the former any day. Remember too, Romney doesn’t hate this country; he doesn’t hate white people either. That’s key!
you know, he’s slogging. He won’t pull a McCain pirouette- “Oh, I’ve got to save America by voting for TARP!”
He’s got five kids. He’s got practice dealing with conflict. Sandra Day O’Connor listed raising her kids as one way she learned to be a fair judge. His kids are clean-cut, nice, charming….
He’s got money skills. There are 2 trillion dollars waiting out Obama. If Romney comes in and just cleans house a little bit- we’ll get a hurricane recovery. If he does lots of housecleaning, we’ll be hard put to explain to our kids “how BAD Obama” was. It’s hard enough for people to believe how bad it was under Carter. The big, the little, the medium, the sheer crappiness of Carter’s years.
His wife has not had one decent, in-depth interview. Not one. She was the mother of five kids, and she finished up her degree while they were young, correspondence courses from Harvard. I have questions. Lots of questions.
She’s his stabilizer. Okay- what’re they doing? George had Laura, George had Pearls (babs- but Pearls is such a better nick-name) and those women were a lot more interesting as soon as their husband got out of office and they could speak their mind. WTHeck is going on in her pretty little head, and how does it play out in their relationship? She stabilizes him? I have questions. I want to know. I’d like to know how to stabilize my guy into a million dollars. Something’s happening there. We has questions, we don’t haz cheezburgrs.
What’s his take on the military. For some reason, there’s a Mormon breakdown on this- what is it? DH’s family isn’t military, and they’re Mormon, but you see Secret Service guys all the time – and they’re Mormon.
And- okay- so who the heck is stabilizing Obama while Michelle is doing the vacay shuffle?
So- are we voting for a terrific guy who has the sense to back up his emotional computer with an off-site hard drive- bka a supportive wife? I’d vote for that. It’s a pretty presidential trait,from the little biographies I’ve read of most of them.
What does Sarah Palin think? She seems to have an awesome bs detector going on.
Kid Rock and Ted Nugent endorse him. He’s talked to them. He’s not taking underwear questions on MTV ( who knew that was such an important question, last time?)
Ann Coulter makes a good case. She’s usually right about stuff, from her perch. I’m still- how did Perry not get traction- but other Texans are like- he sounds like he fell off a turnip truck. They’ve got more political experience than me, so I’ll trust their judgment.
ABO, frankly. ABO.
“so who the heck is stabilizing Obama while Michelle is doing the vacay shuffle?”
Valerie Jarrett.
Are U ready to defend the Mormons? http://news.yahoo.com/mormons-black-priesthood-ban-no-apology-explanation-001800296.html
I’m sure Sandra Fluke will avidly defend More Mons Veneris.
Amen Buzzsawmonkey.
Meanwhile in the real world, where pundits and political journalists never dare tread, the Financial Crisis continues and all its nasty side effects rise in intensity. The future of the Euro remains uncertain. The Middle East boils away. Vlad is back. The Baltic Dry Index is hitting new lows. Japan may be reaching a tipping point, and on and on and on.
The point here. There is still a long way to go until the convention. There are many things going on in the world that may impact the process. No candidate has a clear path right now to winning enough delegates to secure the nomination.
The political hacks worry about campaign money, organizations, polls and advertising. Let’s try to get back to the issues.
Romney, the front runner, states today that he does not know what impact his tax plan will have on the deficit. An honest response to be sure. Sooo what is important?! Tax cuts for the 55% of the people in this country that actually pay taxes – or getting our fiscal house in order. Mr. Romney? Your priority will be? The Congress (made up of Democrats and Republicans) and the White House have not had a budget since when exactly??? FY2008? FY2009?
Let’s get back to hammering the candidates and the President on policy and find out who is best suited to lead the country in November. I am sick of reading about campaign organizations, campaign money, process, personal peccadillos. I want to know which candidate is going to do a better job than the current President. Every candidate has flaws, but who is offering a credible and consistent leadership plan.
We the People have tried to tell U! Mormons cannot bring home the Vote! They are targets not leaders!
I don’t think the anti-Mormon bigotry vote factor is quite as significant this time around; there are plenty of ABO-type voters (such as moi) who will glady “pull the lever” for Romney if need be. Common sense is telling too many people that Obama simply must go. Period.
If Mittens is so “electable” then why the constant cries and moans to end the campaign? If he is electable, then he should easily sail through a process in which he mostly faces members of his party… oh wait, so far the sail has stayed about 25% full!
You need to do a little more homework. Romney has been steadily picking up momentum, albeit he still has is work cut out for him. Newt & Rick still can suck just enough oxygen out of Mittens’ campaign to keep it all up in the air until the convention (this is what I would like to see).
Romney is a liberal. I don’t vote for liberals. End of discussion. If the GOP refuses to start offering us true conservatives then they deserve to lose.
Recycle much?
Roger Simon wrote this exact same post about 5 weeks ago, complete with the “fat lady” reference.
It speaks a lot about your opinion of us that while repeatedly telling us to get in line, you can’t even be bothered to add a little originality or wit to our medicine.
Great minds think alike. So?
OUCH! Good reply.
It is just another example of why I see Romney supporters behave more and more like Obama’s drone-chanters.
This is the most ridiculous example of the pot calling the kettle black. You’re all on the same page and you say the realists are? Absurd.
NO, not on your life! How is the GOP going keep from shooting itself in the foot by wanting a genuine Conservative nominated, when it’s already blown both clean off by nominating a Liberal Democrat to run for President?
I am 53, so I am grown up. I am politically experienced, so I understand why and how things work. I am also bloody tired of holding my nose and voting for a phony in some vain hope that some miracle will happen and some fire will heat up under his/her feet in order for them to vote like a Republican.
On election day all four of the voters in my family of five will cast an under-vote. We will leave the President’s entry blank, and vote for Congress, Senate, and whatever other items are on the machine.
I will take George Soros’s slimy Kapo word for it, he said in a Reuters interview; “if it’s between Obama and Romney, there isn’t all that much difference except for the crowd that they bring with them.”
That says it all… Obama’s puppet master is fine with Romney.
I won’t vote for anyone approved of by the Kapo Soros.
-John – TMF
Willard Milton Romney is a Limousine Liberal Democrat masquerading as a Republican; therefore I WILL NOT vote for him, EVER!
He can have the nomination, but he can’t have my vote. He is a miserable representative for the Republican Party, a liar who has done enormous damage to the party by unjustly savaging the reputations of the other candidates in two presidential elections.
Good post Belladonna. Mitt is our reality, now we need to get behind him to avoid another four years of Obama. I’m tired of the naysayers.
What is tiresome are pompous finger wagging marks. People here have the right to vote as they please. I’m overjoyed that it irritates you.
Get used to it.
I wouldn’t be so against Romney if he had given me a reason to vote for him. Instead, Romney and his supporters have spent a lot of money and time destroying fellow Republicans. I don’t think Romney and his assassins have played it smart in their attack all the time strategy. Just as I didn’t vote for John McCain in ’08 — I voted for Sarah Palin, I am going to wait to see who Romney picks for his VP before I make up my mind who I am going to vote for.
The primary contest doesn’t have to end yet.
But some things need to change:
The supporters and campaigns of each candidate need to focus on issues only, and stop the character assassination. An attack ad that attacks a candidate’s policies is OK; an attack ad that attacks his character or the life he’s led is not.
Right now, the Obama re-election campaign can make some wonderful attack ads against any of the GOP candidates, just by quoting verbatim what the other GOP candidates said about him. That has to stop.
And each candidate (except Ron Paul, whom I’ll get to in a moment) should issue a statement to his own supporters that in the general election campaign, he wants them to support WHOEVER the GOP nominee turns out to be. And he should pledge that once the nomination process has been resolved, he will work to unify the party.
Ron Paul’s campaign is a personality cult not really related to the Republican Party. Paul could even run as a Libertarian or Independent candidate after the GOP convention, who knows. So I don’t expect he can do the things I’ve outlined. But the other 3 GOP candidates aren’t going to bolt the GOP under any circumstances. So it’s long past time they showed how committed they are to a unified party.
I haven’t seen this kind of GOP party split, this kind of bitter fratricide in the GOP, since 1964. And we know how that turned out: The Republican candidate for President lost in a historic landslide to the liberal Democratic incumbent, along with many Republican candidates for the House and Senate too.
Mitt as a candidate = Obama second term. Quote me on it
Then I will be voting for Gary Johnson and the Libertarian ticket… get used to it.
To all the ‘I’m not voting for Romney’ folks: Do you really think that were are better off today than we would be if McCain had been elected?
While McCain was FAR from perfect, he would have been the lesser of the two evils. Well, Romney id your chance for a do-over. Romney may be just as far from perfect as McCain, but he is clearly preferable to four more years of B. Hussein.
Well, I voted for that POS McLaim. Only because the McLaim Worm placed Palin as VP.
Now McLaim, at a rally, silenced the “Boos’ when obama was mentioned by saying …” Obama would be a good President” .
I watched live that RINO bastrd McLaim say that. Still I voted for that scumbag because of Palin.
No more, if Flip Romney I will vote Gary Johnson. At least my hands will be clean.
I can think of two things that would not have happened if McCain were our current POTUS: The huge overtaking of our health care system & the destabilization of several key countries in the ME, with islamic extremists taking over. I can think of at least one thing that would have happened if McCain were the current POTUS: The opening of the Keystone Pipeline.
—- “Republicans are shooting themselves in the collective foot.”
The problem lies with the GOP establishment. Why is our nomination process so damn stupid? Is it the fault of “Republicans”? No. It is the GOP governing class. ALL registered Republicans should have a voice in determining who OUR candidate will be. The process stinks. The party rank & file are cut out of the process. And the establishment means to keep it that way. So hell no, I’m not going to roll over. Let the fight continue. If the establishment doesn’t like it, let them FIX the nomination process. Republicans are good, patriotic, sensible people. We deserve better. We are sick of being ignored and talked down to. The party needs a complete overhaul. And that is what the Tea Party movement is all about.
@Steven #51 — “Mitt as a candidate = Obama second term. Quote me on it.”
And to the others decrying McCain…
What made McCain lose was Palin and the resurgent so-con voice. While Obama was lying to the public telling them green boondoggles and unicorn farts were going to bring back high paying jobs, the McCain campaign was being drowned by mama grizzly and gay marriage and so on. No focus at all on what mattered to people: JOBS. Obama addressed the actual issues. He lied, but so what. He addressed the ISSUES. The republicans yakked about gays getting hitched and ignored the issues. Obama gets elected. What a surprise.
If Mitt is the candidate and the VP choice is yet another bible beating moron defocusing the GOP message, you will get Obama’s second term. And you can certainly quote ME on this.
For a lot of voters, the social-conservative issues aren’t a distraction from the essential issues–quite the contrary. And if their priorities aren’t something that the GOP should address, it’s not clear to me why they should bother voting.
If anything, I’d guess that social conservatives outnumber those potential GOP voters who’d vote Democrat instead just because a Palin was on the ticket.
Neither Obama or Romney has what it takes to turn the country around and cut the spending before the bottom falls out of the currency ushering in a currency crisis and possible hyper inflationary collapse just like Greece.
We spend 45% MORE than we earn and our debt to GDP has rocketed past 100% towards infinity, most of the states are insolvent and if you added in unfunded pension liabilities to our national accounts we would be considered a “basket case” worse than Zimbabwe.
The United States is toast, get used to it.
I listened to Romney’s speech last night. It was a good speech.
I notice his two favorite words are “America” and “Americans”. Obama’s two favorite word are “I” and “me”.
Just sayin’.
These Romney detractors sent up every hare-brained social con they could find against Romney and he whipped every one of them fair and square. Romney has overwhelmingly won more popular votes and delegates so far. Fact is the detractors are the minority. We can be nice to them but we will not bow down to their never ending demands. If they don’t vote for Mitt in November, then I vow to not vote for their “conservative” in 2016. Remember that.
Please refer to my link at post #69.
Mittens has NOT closed the deal, and is IN NO WAY “inevitable” as he has been hyped “Obama-2008-style” for months.
So Wallis, you think Romney’s not the nominee? Let’s see you put your money where your mouth is. I’ve got $500 says he is. Want to bet?
America has two primary needs right now: More jobs and less deficit. Without those, nothing else matters much.
Romney accomplished both simultaneously in Massachusetts, all the while battling a politically hostile legislature.
Doesn’t sound bad to me.
Add to that his rescuing the SLC Olympics from the jaws of defeat, disorganization and deficits. It doesn’t seem like a big deal compared to his other undertakings, but I lived in that area of the country at the time and you really can’t believe what a boondoggle that whole thing was, and he fixed it. That’s why I think he is the right man for these times- we need a turnaround expert.
A turnaround expert is one who says one thing on one day and another the next? Turn, turn, turn, for everything there’s a convenient reason? Is that what you are getting at?
This is why Newt is the best choice. And it’s such a gift, he can do it with a smile on his face. They are deathly afraid of Newt. Can you imagine how he’d mop up the floor with the foreigner? David Gregory stammers with him. Newt is the only one he does this with. I just hope people vote with their head and not on emotion.
Newt owns David Gregory on contraception debate
http://www.therightscoop.com/newt-owns-david-gregory-on-contraception/
Here’s another one. Newt knows our history. He’s a no brainer.
At the NRA Speech he tells a couple of heartwarming stories on George Washington. He only spent 8 days at Mt. Vernon during the entire Revolutionary War. He also has some good stories about Lincoln.
Obama pretended to be Lincoln. Newt knows Lincoln.
http://markamerica.com/2012/03/05/gingrich-speaks-to-the-nra-he-gets-it/
Those voting for Romney aren’t Conservatives, they are Republicans. Conservatives believe in the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. Republicans aren’t sure.
Romneycare and Obamacare, both had the same architects.
Romney gave cars with AAA memberships to welfare recipients, allowing them to keep them even if they went off of welfare. Why would you with someone else paying your way.
http://bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/2011_1018mitt_defends_his_welfare_wheels_from_gop_outrage
Romney worked with John Holdren who works for that foreigner in the White House. He would like to put something in the water to sterilize people.
http://www.redstate.com/repair_man_jack/2011/10/18/mitt-romney-and-the-advice-of-evil-men/
And today, I read this.
Green donors bet on Mitt Romney flip-flop
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/73642.html
Please remember Conservative from MA is an oxymoron. The last Conservative to come out of there was probably Calvin Coolidge. If you want socialism, vote for Romney. If you want to get back to how this country was founded, vote for Newt.
Thanks for the EXCELLENT compilation!
You really think emulating Lincoln is a Good Thing? And you know history?
2002 Romney touted that he knew how to get money out of the federal government
http://www.therightscoop.com/2002-romney-touted-that-he-knew-how-to-get-money-out-of-the-federal-government/
Personal associations in Washington, while claiming to be the Washington outsider?
RINOmney! Hold your nose and vote for the Republican again– ’08, deja vu!
Romney supporters have been singing that same inevitability song since before Iowa but Mitt still has not locked up the nomination. Even the “you are damaging the Republican Party and causing Obama to win if everybody but Romney doesn’t quit right now” line is not new.
My answer is still the same – I will vote for the Republican candidate in November and the Not-Romney candidate in the primary.
Many speak of their disdain for Romney due to Romneycare, yadda yadda.
I dislike the guy because WE KNOW he won’t call out Obama vis-a-vis during future debates.
Heck he’s covering for Obama RIGHT NOW when saying the CiC can’t control fuel prices.
Do your homework Romney or at the very least be TRUTHFUL when responding.
This administration has done everything possible to undermine confidence in seeking fuel independence/ exploration within our borders/ waters.
I’ve an inkling these debates will be a pathetic repeat of Obama vs. Juan ‘My friends’ McCain.
300 + million people from the most democratic nation on Earth and were left with Obama and Romney? Unbelievable.
Mitt’s the Nominee. Get Used to It.
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Will NOT vote for him. Will not comply with your Vote Romney Mandate. Ever. Get Used to It.
2ndly.. MANY changes can occur in ‘..8 weeks’.
Juan McCain’s polling #’s fell when siding with Bush for the FM/FM bailout.
Fair-weather/ squishy Republicans and many Independent voters were turned off by McCain’s action – turning to Uhbama.
Whereas Democratic voters were cool with Obama’s attitude regarding the bailout – a win-win for Uhbama.
Romney won’t go for the jugular. He only gets feisty when his own personal record is broached. He’s a reactionary. JMO.
YEAH, but I don’t have to vote for him (Romney) in the general election: I think I’ll just go fishing!
OK, being a TEA Party conservative, I know that to the leaders of the Republican Party I will never be considered fit to leave the fields and enter the big house. My belief that the candidates I support should believe as I do to earn my support, -vs- the party belief that we have to fall in line with whatever candidate they deign to grace us with seem to be in direct conflict.
I know that through repetition, it is easier for you to just keep repeating the mantra that we have to “shut up and get used to it”. And y’all have had lots of practice telling us that since the primary season started.
We are told that he is “electable”. When we ask why we are referred to polls, which this far out are shown to be worthless historically, or immediately just told that if we don’t rally that Obama will win. Two points in reference to that last. First, it gets the Nobel Prize for obvious. Second, it is non-responsive.
No one has to be in love with Willard Mitt Romney except Ann Romney.
your words.
Guess what? Neither I, nor the Conservatives I know, nor quite probably most of the readers here demand to be able to “love” Mitt Romney or any other candidate. We do demand to be able to trust the candidate we support in certain things. We need to trust that the candidate is in fact a conservative in act and deed, not just in words. And, especially in the wake of the anemic Dole campaign and the self-destructive McCain campaign; we have to be able to trust that the candidate will stand and fight against Obama. Not try to lose gracefully, but actually stand and fight.
I am not a SoCon as my primary interest. But even though I disagree with Santorum on a number of issues; I know from his history that he is and has been conservative in outlook, with lapses [these ARE politicians we are dealing with] for his career. And he has a history of fighting Democrats for what he believes in.
There are a bunch of times in his personal and public life when Gingrich has been a weasel [this is a replacement for a more accurate NSFW term]. But he has been a weasel who has a consistently conservative basis for his political life, and the lapses are measured against that. And he has been one of the most effective fighters against Democrats in the last generation.
Against this, we have the words of Mitt Romney that he has been a conservative all his life and is a “severe” one now. But against that we have videos of him not all that many years ago abjuring the Republican Party, Reagan, and defining himself as a “moderate Progressive”. Was he lying then, or is he lying now?
And what can we see in his 20 year history of being in politics, 4 of which in office, that shows that he will stand and fight against Obama? Because if he does not do so, against the headwinds of lies [or sometimes the truth] from the Democrats, the kept media, vote fraud, violence in the streets, and opposition research that is being kept in reserve; he will lose. And as you say, then we’re doomed. Doomed as in doom. Fated to vanish as a dependable, credible entity, as did ancient Athens and Rome, as did Great Britain, and as we’re right on course to do.
I have been asking for months, here to you, to other PJM columnists, and in every forum I can:
Can you name any instance in his political career where he has stood and fought for any conservative issue [not just his own election, which would primarily benefit himself], an issue of principle where he did not yield to the Left?
You cite the need for the wisdom of the GOP’s “Wise Men”. In your list, there is not one fighter. Not one victor over the Democrats as they have destroyed our country. And there are several included who are still more concerned with not fighting back and yielding on any point rather than offend the enemy. It may well be that much of the Republican Party has seen where their wisdom leads, and don’t think we can survive much more of it.
Subotai Bahadur
NO, Mittens has NOT sealed the deal:
http://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/2012/03/07/super-tuesday-by-the-numbers/
Ed, you didn’t read Dan’s post long enough. He admits towards the end that Mitt is the likely nominee.
I *did* read it. There was NO “I see the future, so shut up and eat your peas” prognostication.
The longer “this game goes on” the better it is for Obama. Newt and Rick have no rationale for staying in. No way will Santorum be getting 60% of the remaining delegates to overcome Mitt. For Newt the task is even more impossible. Not ALL of Newt’s voters will go to Santorum either.
Rasmussen polled that in OH and it was MITT who would have benefited more from from Newt dropping out. The right wing pundits like Rush, Levin and Palin who are cheering this on are being very irresponsible. They are either too stupid to see that or have self-serving motives for seeing it continue.
Mitt has been under attack by *most* of the right wing media and punditry for months and yet regular voters are supporting him more by far. I think that is what makes these pundits mad, THEY want to control this race and they are mad that Mitt is beating THEM. It is a sign of Mitt’s strength that he has been able to fend this off and spectacularly turn around large deficits in MI and OH in a weeks time to win.
That was the end of Santorum right there. He was pandering heavily to rust belt voters and couldn’t win. One of the reasons those races were close is that in both states DEMOCRATS came out for Santorum to create mischief.
It’s clearly not just the Obama MAchine which attempts to re-write history.
“Mitt has been under attack by *most* of the right wing media and punditry for months …” is the biggest pile of crock deserving heavy scorn.
HE’S INEVITABLE! Forget that meme, chump?!?
FAIL.
“Inevitable” is merely a slightly briefer and less coarse way of saying “Shut up and spread your legs.” Consider how many left-wing social programs have been urged upon us as “inevitable.”
When someone inserts “inevitable” into a conversation with me, the conversation is over.
Sarah Palin saved the Republican party’s ass.
She prevented Obama from winning in a landslide.
She’s why Republicans own the House now, and would’ve owned the Senate, too, but for stupid party “elites.”
Ask her who she thinks should run against Obama.
Take her advice.
Get used to this, Belladonna: no more RINOs. Agreed, the establishment GOP will probably succeed in getting him nominated. Next, we’ll see if there are enough establishment GOP types to get him elected.
It just occurred to me I have more to say. FWIW…
I have been asked to play the GOP game of “Hold Your Nose and Vote for Stinky!” since Nixon. I don’t speak for anyone but myself, but I’m not playing that game anymore, and I guess there are probably enough old-timers who feel the way I do that it just might give the edge to the incumbent in November. I don’t consider that an ideal result, but as Thomas Sowell often says, we can’t dictate results, we can only initiate processes — processes which may achieve the results you desire, or the opposite.
E.g., the process we initiated in 2000 was we elected a Republican who was not a conservative (“compassionate conservative”, my butt — that means liberal), and eight years of that was enough to bring us to where we are today, holding as little power as we’ve had since FDR. If someone had told me in 2000 that if we elect the Republican, we were going to get: steel tariffs, huge new Medicare/Medicaid retirements, Ted Kennedy’s education bill, Republican initiatives for what Michelle Malkin calls “Shamnesty”, the McCain-Feingold “Election Reform” bill, another $1 trillion plus added to the national debt, continued exporting of jobs overseas, a huge new federal bureaucracy, more and more economic regulation, and — to top it all off — TARP bailouts rewarding failed economic decisions with billions of taxpayer dollars and nifty bonuses for failed CEOs and executives… well, if someone had told me all that, my jaw would have hit the floor.
But Sowell is right, as usual: by electing a Republican, we had only initiated a process, we didn’t dictate results. Bush had a RINO agenda and made it clear that he wanted to please liberals while taking conservatives for granted. The one thing to which conservatives were desperately clinging, Supreme Court appointees, they got, but only because they backed Bush into a corner and made him do it. He wanted to appoint his crony Harriet Miers, just to avoid a fight with Sen. Reid — a fight conservatives had been spoiling for. So conservatives got their bone, and it was a nice bone, granted, but liberals got all the meat and gravy.
But all in all, I say, it wasn’t worth it. That’s a personal judgment. If I had 2000 and 2004 to do again, knowing what I know now, I would have voted third-party. America does not need two liberal parties, and I won’t aid and abet sending the GOP swaggering off in that direction.
In my view, the RINO wing of the GOP has failed completely. They ran the ball according to their game plan — make the GOP a “big tent” and move conservatives to the back of the bus — and it earned them, and us, years in the wilderness. But don’t tell Bush — he bragged to the Wall Street Journal that he had “transformed” the GOP. Yes, he did. From the ruling party to a shambles. Here’s a clue, GOP: you can never make the liberals love you, but you can make conservatives hate you. Dropping from a 70% approval rating to 28% is possible only when your enemies hate you and so do your friends.
So stand for something, or do whatever it is that you do without my vote or my approval.
I stand for ANYBODY BUT OBAMA. I hope you heard that.
“Get used to it?” Not on your life !! No Rhino Romney nor a Sanctimonious
Santorum. Newt did it before and he can do it again. Trust me.
God Bless the USA !!!!
Did Romney love a Harvard prof who said that Ronald Reagan would come on a space ship and offer to buy all the blacks?
What ever would we do without your satirical betrayals of the establishment thought police? Were that all fledgling libertarian writers had such verve!
Belladonna Rogers, Go to hell.
This is your idea of a mature comment? It’s exactly what little boys yell in second grade when they can’t think of anything to else to say, while flailing their arms in complete frustration. Maybe when you graduate to the third grade your ability to write a sensible reply will have made some progress. Many of us hope you won’t be back till then. Good luck getting along with the smarter girls. You’re going to need some serious lessons in dealing with bright girls before you try out your act in public again.
hokay, I went and genuflected before the electronic blonde pundito….mitt’s not gonna say anything scary. He talks about America, and Americans, and says he’ll get people to work.
I’m not a fan of Romneycare. It killed the massachusetts economy. it landed hardest on middle-class housewives with working husbands, and children. that would be my peeps. me. families had to choose who got insurance b/c the price sky-rocketed. apparently, he cut out the most egregious parts, and then was forced to sign the rest into law. fine. whatever.
Right now he’s campaigning on defunding O’care immediately, and then repealing it, entirely. Fine. We have fifty federal states so that they can experiment, and see what works- or what doesn’t. Romney made an experiment, and he’s willing to say it shouldn’t go national. That proves he’s got this “separation of powers” -state vs federal thing figured out. He might even be clued in on the separation of church and state. That would be a nice change of pace, compared to the last three years.
He’s Mormon. We could call Utah a “theocracy” with the slight problem that it’s a social one, not a by law one. Iran is a By Law Theocracy. Just b/c someone who ought to be living in San Francisco is marrooned in Salt Lake City does not make it a theocracy. Not to mention- the directors of various state agencies are other religions, on a pretty regular basis. My cousin, for one, is Episcopalian. He’s not hiding in his basement, or denying that he reads the Book of Common Prayer, and his church isn’t getting fire-bombed by crazed Mormons. He’d even been raised Mormon, and changed religions. His head is still attached to his body, he hasn’t been stoned…. sounds to me like a state with a simple majority of one religion.
Do we call New Hampshire or Vermont theocracies b/c they harbor a bunch of Congregationalist Churches? Or do we set movies there, b/c village squares with churches with steeples are so picturesque? Housesitter has a final scene with a church like that in the background. The Witches of Eastwick has a church like that, even sets scenes inside the church, and last time I checked, Jack Nicholson was done in by the witchy single moms, not by the worshippers in the pews.
I’m thinking he’s a smiley, happy campaigner talking about Americans working, b/c the steps needed to get some people to work would scare the dickens out of them right now. Like- 99 weeks of unemployment- gone. Food-stamps- shrunk. Mortgage support- not so much. Buying Solyndra stock- gone out the door. And you don’t really win anything by threatening people with the risk of starvation or humiliation or anything like that. You set them running off after that rainbow of hope. People will wade through snake-infested swampwater to get to that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. For example: DH got into financial services, on the idea of 2 years lean….I know more about cooking beans….it’s not a happy place, knowing that the price of dried black-eyed peas has tripled in the last year or so—-and I tell the kids they are lucky to see their dad build a business, rather than griping about beans,again…b/c I can see that rainbow on the other side of the swamp.
That’s what he’s doing, I think. He’s Mormon. To get help from the church- they expect people to work. They find jobs for slackers with families. I think he’s pretty thoroughly Mormon.
They send missionaries around the world, teaching people how to grow food, to be self-sufficient. Not like USAID, which sells heavy farm equipment, but like single families doing intensive square-foot style gardening. They also teach Mormonism. It’s a world-wide evangelism. They give the responsibility to really young- 19, 20- year olds- and they stay responsible and grownup for the rest of their lives. These are not foolish, frivolous people.
I live in Michigan and it possible to not vote for Romney because it’s not going to effect the Obama victory in this state.This state is in the tank for anyone with a “D” next to a candidates name.On November 6 if Romney is the man,another party is getting my vote so get used to it. Have a Great Day!
Why can’t we stop the infighting and keep the focus on Obama? Any of the Republican nominees are a vast improvement.
I don’t know what everyone else is thinking, but the idea of Obama choosing Supreme Court justices terrifies me. I plan to vote against him, even if I have to vote for Bozo the Clown.
Steve the answer to that one is easy, too many people see Romney as a replay of Mccain in 2008. Someone who can’t or won’t fight for fear that people will think poorly of him or heaven help us all call him a raaaaacist! People would rather have a candidate who will fight and lose than a candidate who won’t fight and lose. That in a nutshell is Romneys’ problem.
Pardon me if this point has already been made (as I did not peruse all the responses), but as long as there is no Republican nominee, Obama & Co. can hardly focus on that nominee with his “politics of personal destruction.” I am not at all sure our side would not be better off going into a brokered convention where a dark-horse candidate in the form of a top-tier first-stringer could possibly emerge. As I have stated before, the best the Republican Party has to offer is sitting this one out because they don’t want to face an affirmative-action POTUS & all the malarkey that goes with that. It’s amazing to me that concern for the future of our country doesn’t trump their selfish quest for self preservation in the form of avoiding the dreaded label of “racist” or being held accountable for causing riots in the streets (bound to happen if Obama loses this election).
My personal opinion is that the best and the brightest did not run this time because they saw what happened four years ago when Romney spent millions of dollars on negative ads to destroy the political careers of anybody who came close to matching him in the polls. In the end, John McCain was the last not-Romney candidate and he had not gotten the full Romney slime job because he had been the weakest in the primary until them.
The only good thing I can think of about this primary is that it should be the last Romney-spending-millions-of-dollars-to-slime-Republicans primary campaign.
that valerie jarrett quote was priceles,, bobbcat.
I don’t know how much traction “racist” is going to have this year, or even in five years. Like, all the baby boom got together and elected that, to quote Jimmy Carter, democratic ex-presidente emeritus- “the black boy…” ( he’s a democrat!)
Scurfy, low-rent movie culture? Had cooked up “harold and kumar go to white castle” with its human south asian and asian guy, and it’s inhuman, evil white guys as the bad guys and the weird jewish stoners? Hi-lar-ious, in the way bad vaudeville is hilarious.
Then, Harold and Kumar have misunderstandings with the Bush family, when they get sent to Guantanamo as terrorists.
Okay, well the Harold guy is a White House spokesperson on health issues now. He might have quit. But I’m not seeing much more establishmentness than running around the White House. He’s become that evil white guy groom from his second movie. He’s established. He’s been in a hit tv show ( house) he’s been in two or three movies ( the H&K franchise) and he’s worked at the White House. He’s got better creds than Dinesh D’souza, who just writes books and is now a uni president. DD is now up for the role of the square uni pres who stands in the way of the hard-partying frat boys. Harold- he’s been in the White House, just like DD, and he’s got movies. about pot-smoking, and the idea of America ( next to last scene- it’s in there, and it makes sense). He’s a lot more millionaire, lot more famous, lot more popular than DD. I think he is the establishment, pretty much the way David Geffen is, the way that geriatric rock stars are, the way any limousine liberal is……
Well, what’s coming up the pike in terms of cheesy, obnoxious vaudeville. Okay, that atheist magician- the big ugly guy?- did a movie called ” The Aristocrats” about this filthy joke that comedians tell each other after hours. It’s at the library, at least it is, here. It’s….there’s more…. it’s very NSFW? It’s really…anyway, at the end, they are saying that the new frontier on this joke is race. Not sex. Race. And they showcase a few comedians taking it racial.
And you have Daniel Tosh, who regularly has ” is it racist?” bits on his show. And he’s not running a re-education camp. He’s saying racist things all over the place. And sexist, and well, just vile all over the place. He’s the new outside.
The schools, starting with Gen X, were the most integrated school groups in history, and they get slimed with being racist more than any other generation. You can make vile comments about the $%^&* sitting next to you in English class, more so than the kid you see riding a bus across town to the “separate but equal” school. Then, you can imagine they are more saintly, more educated, more polished- or more devilish, more ignorant, more uncouth- but if they’re sitting right next to you- they’re your acquaintances, and the gloves come off.
We’re two, maybe three generations in to fully integrated schools at this point. I don’t think racism is going to last as an insult much longer. Certainly not enough to get traction in 2016. This year, maybe. But not past this.
There’s a black president. Where’s the Italian one? For instance. Where’s the Jewish one? Where’s the Mormon one. Best bet was 2020 for a Mormon one. Where’s the Cajun one? Where’s the Dakota oil millionaire one? Where’s the cattle baron one?
One good thing could come out of Romney getting the nomination…a moderate bloodletting. According to RINO Romney supporter Matt Dowd: ‘This is going to be a bloodletting. This will be a huge. If Romney goes in this, loses this election, when all these Republicans from the last four years have thought Barack Obama’s ripe for the picking. Mitt Romney gets nominated then loses in the general election. It is going to be a bloodletting.’
Though I’m sure that’s a metaphorical bloodletting (damn), it still means the RINOs are going down for pushing this milquetoast squish down our throats, telling us ‘only a RINO can win’. So when Romney does gets clobbered by Obama. I see him and all the other RINOs finally getting tarred and feathered and run out of the Republican party.
In a just and rational world, that would be so. But the world is neither. They are doing their best to force Romney on us. Their contempt for what most of the party wants is palpable. And if they succeed, Romney will lose.
The result will be that the Institutionals will blame the loss on the peasants who would not do as their betters demanded. It is beyond them to consider that they are responsible for the loss. I commend to your attention a PJMedia article just up over at BELMONT CLUB.
http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2012/03/11/the-jealousy-of-the-gods/#comments
that covers this. They will not change, even if it means their certain doom.
There will be efforts to purge the TEA Party [which efforts may be behind the power curve because after November 6 is over, the reason to stay with the Republicans will be minimal].
After Romney loses, electoral politics may no longer be relevant anyway, but the entity known as the Republican Party will not exist in its current form.
Subotai Bahadur
You know what I found so hilarious in this article? Every damn word of it.So,we are to roll over,submit to the Mormon god Rohm, and his Liberal policies without the least bit of resistance? Oh my gawd,y’all ripped my Southern plum open, Haw Haw! Like hell I will,and I happen to believe this is healthy for us Christians,for once, many of us who do keep YHWH front and center in our lives, happen to know exactly the danger your telling us to roll over and bow too.Newt will keep up the good fight and win,and we Southerners will see to it he does just that.And if Romney by some slim chance does win, he won’t win the election, and Obama will suffer us till the coming Taking Up “Rapture” because myself and many other Christians, won’t sell our souls to a cult that belittles and mocks our Father,who has taken from and added to his living word deceiving countless of millions of lives from searching out YHWH, we won’t vote for your god Rohm.So,keep your insults and your Rohm to your self. We ain’t buying him,at the cost to an eternal BBQ, to which we’re being served as the main course,is not to my liking at atoll!