Michele Bachmann Does Founding Mothers — and the Rest of Us — Proud
I’m wont to laugh at liberal women who love to talk up our Founding Mothers, and how those evil, spotlight-hogging white men sliced and diced all the patriot women right out of our history books. Liberal women love to take this tack when shoring up their own spotlight-hogging contributions to our current politics.
But just let a conservative woman try to get her head in the discussion arena? Liberal women pull out their rhetorical guillotines before our conservative sisters can get in a single word. Yet these liberal women don’t seem to see their own hypocrisy as they hog the modern spotlight themselves.
Such has been the state of “feminism” in America for the past four decades — right up until the moment Sarah Palin burst through the liberal-feminist barricades with Mama Grizzly ferocity.
Now, Michele Bachmann picks up the torch with a genuine presidential candidacy.
And I must say — without equivocation — that Michele Bachmann does our Founding Mothers — and all the rest of us — darned proud.
If Ed Rollins doesn’t alienate the female voters Bachmann sorely needs to win, then I can see how Michele Bachmann might actually carry the day in 2012. Bachmann could close the gender gap, to great Republican benefit, for decades to come. That’s something to think about seriously.
Considering the women’s vote — and we women do now make up a majority of the electorate — I would have to say that Michele Bachmann became every mother’s heroine when she valiantly parried an ObamaCare heckler at her health care townhall in August 2009. Mrs. Bachmann, proud mother of five and foster mother to 23 youths, was conducting a townhall in her district with a local medical doctor. She highlighted, from a wealth of her very own experience, the vast disparity between the excellent maternal care she had received in a Minnesota hospital and the grisly accounts of maternity wards in the UK.
Rattling off recent headlines about UK women giving birth in hospital corridors for lack of bed space and adequate facilities, Bachmann fiercely denounced the Democrats’ intention to force the same benighted level of care onto American women. Then a male pro-ObamaCare heckler spoke up in defense of the socialized medicine model, only to be summarily brought to childlike humility by Bachmann’s brilliant scold: “I’ve probably given birth here (in America) more times than you, sir.”
Yes, Bachmann’s quick-on-her-feet response to her heckler’s arrogant ignorance on the matter of childbirth was simply impossible to refute. Said male heckler went straight to the corner in ignominious disgrace. And all of us mothers — both liberal and conservative — could hold our heads up just a little bit more respectably.
Americans once understood that mothering large families, side-by-side with fathers, was one of the most difficult, respect-earning vocations imaginable, and that doing this job successfully was one of the most necessary tasks in ensuring a continuing free society. Good citizens don’t just happen. Good citizens, capable of self-support and law-abiding respect for the rights of others, are, in fact, the only thing that can keep social costs down and civilization on the forward track.
So, as I consider Michele Bachmann’s candidacy, her motherhood cred is uppermost in my mind. Skills learned the hard way through the treacherous terrain of molding great kids — especially in a society seemingly determined to produce as many reprobates and public-purse dependants as possible — are some of the most valuable resume boosters a candidate could have, aren’t they?
But Bachmann has scored big in her political career as well.
Agree 100%. Go Michele!!
She is the embodiement of an American woman. I don’t think they will be able to put a glove on her.
The South loves her! A plain talker, tough but nice, great sense of humor, great smile.
She gets all of the big things right.
Fifty+ years of one woman ordering me around; telling me when to take a shower, what shirt and trousers to wear, what is good for me to eat: what will happen if we don’t exercise and walk everyday…. Three kids of our own – six grandchildren – two great grandchildren…. My head hurts all of the time, my hearing can’t take anymore punishment, my eyesight is shot… my back is sore… the nightstand by the bed looks like a pharmacy and I keep forgetting where I put my teeth….
And I’m ready to run out and vote for another woman to not only do the same thing to me, but to our entire nation….?
Well, Obama is already doing that for you. Under Obamacare, his nanny-state will tell you just about everything else you can do, like what doctor you can use, what medicines you can take, how much you can eat or drink, and what medical care you can get at what age. Sound good to you? But don’t you worry about a thing. Under Obamacare, you won’t have to worry about what medicines you’ll have to take or what operations you’ll have to get over the age of 80. Under Obamacare, you just won’t get any and they will quietly let you die. So scream and whine all you want right now, bud. Because if Obamacare really does go into effect, you won’t have much more time on this planet to do it.
You forgot to mention this is the future of the nation in which EACH person is equal in Law.This SELF-GOVERNING citizenry.
EXCEPT lawyers in Congress, Judiciary and Executive as “elite” read superiors. EXEMPT by their codicils to laws they enact (more than a thousand pages which were not even read by these legislators who nevertheless passed it into law – for the Common People ) EXEMPT from those laws, OR with such emolument, paid for BY the common people, for their “service” to the nation they need have no worries about any kinds of care.
ALL these men and women were “elected” to do their damndest. At it in a rush using their brown-shirts’ thuggery, before enough people get wise, get together, understand how they’ve been suckered by the snake-oil salesmen politicians with their shills in Media, Hollywood and “elite” educational claques, and run them out on a rail.
More than a little like German /International Politics in the 1930s. We know how that one turned out, with international politicians opting for a “quiet life”. The Fuehrer(New Kennedy/Messiah?) also Socialist with international pretentions, was elected on his promises to Change given in resonant impressive speeches. He did not have benefit of the teleprompter, only lackeys feeding him words and gestures.
We can, can’t we, Hope that enough Americans WILL Change this destroyer of their nation for a true American who respects and even likes Americans.
Re: Libertyship46
Ms. Shiver gave us a laundry list of female / mom / wife etc. reasons that she believes make Michele Bachmann a good bet for the Whitehouse.
I simply handed the list back to her with a bunch of male / dad / husband / grandpa reasoning as to why that doesn’t impress me.
The Whitehouse has been everything from a flop-house to an illicit Hollywood entertainment center long enough.
Give me a gender neutral resume of Michele Bachmann’s solid background and experience that leaves little, or no doubt that she as a President, not as a woman can handle the job of being the President of the United States and I will listen.
On that front, so far none of the GOP declared and / or potentials have convinced me one way or another.
As far as anyone screaming and whining goes Bud, I hear a lot of it on talk radio shows and cable TV, plus read tons of it here on PJM; yours included.
Summarily, lets leave whatever time I have left to the Man Upstairs, however if you are still around when I am 100 drop me a line for old time sake.
Go back to sleep, grandpa! Your cranky irrelevance is showing. It’s curious that you’re so threatened by the point that Kyle-Anne is making that you had to respond the way you did. If you have issues with the women in your life – or women in general – then deal with those. Don’t bore us with them in order to slam Michele Bachman. She’s not responsible for your ailments.
If Grandpa is a citizen, then he’s not irrelevant. Who elected you queen for a day?! And Bachmann is barely less embarrassing than Palin.
GOP women might be hot to look at, but they really show their flaws when they open their mouths.
Right Church:
? Why you even wrote your post is beyond me.. Your pathetic rambling has not one thing to do with Bachmann..
Did you miss your meds this morning?
Re: Moira
Re: tommyd
It didn’t take long to smoke the outcome based educated name callers out.
Old and Cranky..?
Someday Moira and tommyd you’ll be that way too..
IF you survive your bad attitudes.
Frankly, I loved your post. Feminist women have wreaked havoc in the Western world since about 1967, give or take. Unless the woman is named ‘Caroline Glick’ or something close to that, I would not consider voting for a woman for high office.
And the reason you chose not to stand up and stop the bullying is????????????? Never mind, I don’t really want to know. You obviously don’t have the balls you were born with.
MayberryLady.. the battery in your Prius needs recharged.
I apologize for the cutting post. I am glad to know you’re not the victim described so plaintively in No. 3 above. (And there’s is no rice burner in my garage.)
You left out the verb, “to be”. You should have written,
“the battery in your Prius needs to be recharged.
So, you’re a pantywaist and mal-educated too, apparently.
Poor guy–your wife has taken such good care of you that you have lived too long. Sorry about the aches and pains and missing teeth–I’ll bet your wife gets tired sometimes having to baby you and the other children. I have a LOT of sympathy for your lady. Man up. Dress yourself and take a shower BEFORE someone needs to remind you to. And then maybe treat her to a back rub or send her off for a massage or a pedicure. If you are having memory problems and can’t remember when to take care of essential medications or personal hygiene, THANK HER for caring for you instead of resenting her. If you didn’t have her, you would be in a world of hurt. If she didn’t have you, well, she might be free to enjoy life a little, but my guess is she is fool enough to love you and would spend a lot of time grieving for the ingrate to whom she devoted fifty plus years of her life.
…and I think Michelle Bachman would make a very good president. She would get my vote against Obama (or Hillary if the Dems are smart enough to abandon a sunken ship.)
Re: vetswife
I always thank my wife for everything she does..
Last year I bought her a pair of genuine made in China cotton gloves for Christmas so her hands stay warm when she shovels the snow off our 1/4 mile long driveway.
This year I plan on buying her a new ironing board: made in China and if she treats me extra nice between now and then I won’t require her to call me “Sir” on Christmas day.
**** If any of you hyper-reactive clowns read my original post instead of acting like someone stole your shopping mall parking place, you would see that I didn’t disparage Michele Bachmann in any manner or way.
Quite the contrary, what I said was the way to victory is to get away from concentrating on the melodramatic “she is a successful woman” jargon and give people solid items of substance that will send her into the Whitehouse unencumbered by any racial, gender or minority considerations.
Didn’t the, “We Won I’m The First Black President” flop that has wrecked our country send any red flags to you, the GOP?
In too many cases apparently not. Like a circus mad-hatter’s wind up plastic duck, one little minor tweak of any typical article here on PJM instantly creates a flood of boring anger and hate speech that would make any liberal proud had he or she come up with it.
It is also typical of the collective behavior that kept the Republican party out of power for 40+ years straight, plus gave the Election 2008 victory to Obama and smashed the career and family of another woman to death.
Sarah Palin is the best possible example of what is being said about Michele Bachmann right here on PJM in this and similar articles will end up doing to and for her.
Often, the worst help is well intentioned dumb help.
Remember that next year when Obama gets reelected.
Right Pew, I was going to defend your point but you beat me to it.
This country has had enough Presidents elected because of party, looks,
promises, cult following, etc.
Correctamundo, amigo. Michele Bachmann’s womanness, even as nice as it appears to be, should no more be a qualifier for the Presidency than Obama’s half blackness, Elton John’s homosexuality, or any other fact of being. What has she done and what can she do? These are the questions that need to be answered. If you believe having five babies makes her an expert on American health care, as I do, you will count that as something she has done that will make her a good president. But, there are no Presidential qualities involved in being female, black, or heterosexual. From what I have seen, Michele Bachmann has done a lot of things and appears to be able to get some things done. She just might be our guy, as it were.
A challenge: Try to express your opinions without resorting to pathetic shaming language. It really makes you look like a bitter old bat.
Mr. Whew, Seems you are a “bitter clinger” of quite a different dye.
Wow … if your post isn’t some sort of badly-written parody or attempt at sarcasm, then I worry about the women in your family (including your female children) and your obvious issues with women in leadership roles.
America is more than ready for a woman in the White House – and it’s the Republicans’ fortune that we can offer two incredibly strong, personable, intelligent, Constitutional conservatives who are also devoted mothers, wives, and leader-examples; Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann. I would be more than comfortable with either of them in the White House – but I think this is Michele’s time, and I think she would make the perfect post-Obama President. The first 100 days of a Bachmann administration would turn the world and this country on its’ head … and we’d have real spirit, and real pride (are you listening, Mrs. Obama?), and real American values at the fore again.
Even though I’m not a Green Bay Packers fan, I’m definitely a Michele Bachmann fan! I’m also looking forward to not having to pay taxes for teleprompters and golf clubs.
Michele in 2012!!!
Let me see if I’m understanding you correctly.
You’re saying that, because you are a pantywaist, you don’t want to vote for a good conservative candidate?
I think Michele Bachmann would make a fine President, certainly better than Obama. And if she picked a running mate like Jim DeMint, you really would have something there, true conservatives trying to shake things up in Washington. No more RINOs running the Republicans into the ground. I wish her well, but I also know that the main stream media and the far-left liberal crazies will come after her with everything they have. Did you think they were crazy and cruel against Sarah Palin in 2008? Just you wait. They will try to “Palinize” her as soon as possible. But this time around we’re going to fight back. We’re not going to take it lying down. We will flood every blog, every news room, every biased television show (like The View) with as many protests as possible. We will fight the far left toe to toe for every inch, which is why 2012 will be one of the nastiest campaigns ever fought. So go ahead, take your best shot, you far-left loons. Michele Bachmann is here and ready to do business. If she can raise five kids and 23 foster kids, she can endure anything, even the main stream media, the Daily Kos, the Huffington Post, Media Matters, and MoveOn. This time around, she won’t be alone in fighting those scumballs.
Allow me a European point of view: I think she’s outspoken like Sarah Palin, but more refined, more diplomatic. She doesn’t seem to spotlight her private life as much which is also positive. She is very good-looking and natural, not too exaggerated, decent make-up. In Europe she would certainly attract more voters than Ms. Palin, but maybe also in the U.S. She’s more feminine than the women who are in the government right now, and yet straightforward. If she comes along with a decent program she could make it. The U.S. government right now looks like an elitist bunch, far away from real people, desperately trying to look smart and modern and seems to copy most European faults that nobody can finance. She seems closer to Americans as we know them and like them. Her natural charme reminds me of Ronald Reagan, female version. She’s well dressed too, good taste, subdued, not too much. From a personal point of view she could win some hearts. So far I like her.
To the poor guy who feels oppressed by women (3): Is your wife a feminist, by chance? Conservative women care more for the needs of men and boys than liberalists, as it often happens that they are also mothers of several children, boys among them and can see that feminists make boys fall behind by creating advantages only for girls.
Gotta say, my friend … for a Euroman, you’re not half bad! I like the cut of your jib – it’s nice to hear someone in Europe not look at us as barbarian misanthropes, dragging our knuckles everywhere we go while demanding people bow to us.
That just happened ONCE, I swear … and the offending knuckle-dragger was summarily punished (we made them watch an episode of “Jersey Shore,” with the sound turned up! Ugh!)
We are pleased that you have such respect for the American Empire, and we would be happy to have you come visit. Do me a favor, though – pick me up a slice from Gino’s in Gotham while you’re there, and then swing by Sonny Bryan’s in downtown Dallas & get me up some BBQ brisket, wilya?
Not sure Bachmann would be a good prez. A few negatives: she’s a lawyer; she’s too “preachy” (this is why I didn’t want Huckabee – don’t want a preacher for a prez); she runs a clinic to turn gays into straights (that’s way too preachy for me – not to mention “holier than thou”); she pushes her religion more than I think a prez should (I’m a Christian, but a prez should be a prez of everyone – including atheists and gays, they pay taxes just like everyone else); she’s not very experienced in running a business (running a CPA firm is nothing like running a gritty and complicated fishing business; we desperately need someone experienced in solving energy issues, she has no experience in that area; she has no experience running a city or a state; she has no experience as a Commander-in-Chief; she has no experience running for the office of VP. And probably number one negative is, after Palin helped get her re-elected, Bachmann jumped out in front of Palin, and tries to be the Tea Party Darling. That seems like something a back-stabbing politician would do. She’s a Palin wannabe, with way more political designs than Palin. And we’re trying to get away from “politicians” as usual in D.C. Where Sarah speaks from her heart, Michele speaks while keeping an eye on the polls. We’ve been snookered once with a less-than-sincere prez. I hope we don’t fall for another one.
I think Bachmann did very well during the debate, but I still have to be convinced she is not just an attractive package. You can’t go blaming the media for going nuts on her when she says stuff like: “the Foiunding Fathers worked tirelessly to get rid of slavery” or think that Concord, NH is where the first shot heard round the world was fired! I mean seriously, people on this site, I would imagine, would be more upset with such stupidity about our founding than on some liberal who cares what white men did site? I believe it’s important for all good citizens to know something about our history, for our President I would say it’s a absolute necessity.
Atleast she knows there are 50 states, not 57, as Obama said. As for the Founding Fathers working to get rid of slavery; many of the Northern patriots did work to abololish slavery but because they needed the Southern states, they shelved the slavery debate in order to pass the Bill of Rights.
Bachmann is who Rollin’s is when he came out an attacked Palin, why would she attack her like that? They all come out and tell us we have to be “civil” to the Democrats but let’s rip Palin to shreds, why? Well, she works with the losers that are in there now, Bachmann is helping the establishment do what they do best NOTHING but cover up the fact they are liberals just like Obama, who do you think is helping him pass all this crap. The Democrats could not of gotten away with their destructive policies if not for the Republicans and Bachmann is right their doing her part to help them, look at her record, she started off with Jimmy freakin Carter for Gods sake. Oh she says all the right conservative words but that’s just all it is WORDS. It is the establishment against US, remember that.
Bachmann is SARAH PALIN, except not as nicely dressed! When are you maroons going to realize that you are supporting female politicinas who would gladly pull all womyn back to the 1700′s? This message is for the womyn out there (sorry guys, but you just can’t understand this): do you like to vote? Do you like having equal pay? Do you like your sexual empowerment? Do you like the fact that the glass cieling has been broken? Do you like to have abortions? Well guess what? A vote for Bachmann/Palin/Assad is a vote to destroy all these hard earned rights! Idiots!
LovelyEarth, your posts show professional rhetorical skills … the regrettably are deployed in service of a maximally toxic political agenda … maximally toxic because it is maximally polarizing.
Couldn’t your rhetoric be better employed, in saying plainly what you mean?
To make my own point plainly: polarizing snark harms the cause of conservatism … because good leaders say what they mean straight-out.
Really?
Where?
LovelyEarth,
You cannot “earn” rights. Government cannot grant rights. Government can only take them away. For example, you have the right not to be killed.
Personally, I am not a maroon. Nor do I like having abortions (as if I would ever) or the fact that other women can and do. I’m pretty certain your posts are satire, and as such they are brilliant.
It would appear that you consider “Abortion on Demand” not only a “hard earned right” for women but also a defining attribute for feminist leadership.
Obviously both Bachmann and Palin fail the litmus test you set forth.
Somehow I find the well stuctured and spoken/written rhetoric and talk, the Patriotism, and the defense of American exceptionalism of Palin and Bachmann a really refreshing departure from the idiotic rants of Behar, Pelosi, Code Pink, NOW et al.
Incidently, both Bachmann and Palin have obvious successes in the business world and in Palin’s case a well defined sucess in the file of buasiness and international negotiations. The idea that one must have public executive, and foriegn policy backgrounds is just not true. The test is whether or not the “Executive” can surround him or herself with staff and advisors that “fill in the gaps”. This current President has failed miserably in this arena. His similarity to Jimmy Carter shows up here. He has the same “control freak” charatoristics as Carter and his administration has been every bit as inept as was Carter’s.
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Wow … you’d think Debbie Wasserman-Shultz would pick a better screen name than “LovelyEarth,” huh? Maybe she was watching “An Inconvenient Truth” while typing away …
Oh, one more thing Dany Freewest, Europe is going down in flames, we know you hate us and always will, the last thing I want to be is just like Europe!
You should try re-reading Dany Freewest’s comments @5. You have completely misunderstood him.
He likes Bachmann and his only negative remark about the USA – “The U.S. government right now looks like an elitist bunch, far away from real people, desperately trying to look smart and modern and seems to copy most European faults that nobody can finance.” – is an attack on the Obama administration, not on America or Americans in general.
Thanks. Right.
I think your remarks were sufficiently clear to, and appreciated by, most of us, Mr. Freewest.
Thank you.
Bachman’s main problem, in my estimation, is that she would turn this country into a theocracy.
how in the world do you reach this conclusion?
Not hard to answer: he’s a lib. He’s a regular lib troll on Weasel Zippers.
I don’t think tadcf is either a liberal or a troll. I’m a secular, non-thesist, conservative. I immensely distrust any politician, including Bachmann, who toads for the fundamentalist Christian point of view, spread by the religious right, as in making it the law of the land.
I couldn’t agree more, SteveB/Colorado! EXTREME Social Conservatives are, once again,going to cost us Fiscal Conservatives the election!
A SOCIAL Conservative would probably never have an abortion, under any circumstances. That’s fine with me and most voters. That’s HER business!
But when the EXTREME social conservatives insist that EVERYONE ELSE must believe THEIR religious beliefs, then we have a BIG problem!. We aren’t ALL Catholic or Evangelical.
MANY MANY mainstream Christians believe that abortion is a FAR better solution, to a crisis pregnancy, than forcing a woman to have an unwanted baby.
Keep pushing your EXTREMELY social conservative RELIGIOUS views, and we’ll all lose AGAIN!
If YOU don’t believe in abortion, don’t have one.
I’m sorry, tadcf, SteveB/Colorado, and ExtremeFC – I must have missed it. When exactly did Bachmann require people become fundamentalist Christians? Oh, and can you remind me again when exactly it was that Christians protested outside the White House, stormed the Supreme Court building, and firebombed the Capitol while Congress was in session, in order to activate this “theocracy” you claim? Was that announced on one of the MANY Jon Stewart programs I intentionally avoid? Did Popular Science describe the additive Sarah Palin put in the fuel of her bus in order to infect people throughout her tour with Christian worldviews and beliefs? Must have missed all that – I gotta stop sleeping so much.
Oh, wait – maybe it’s because I’m a Christian myself, and I happen to know that the Bible doesn’t require or teach mandatory enforcement on believers or non-believers alike … or that I also know that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs – and even though the Founders all came from various denominations, they managed to come together and forge the greatest nation in human history – EVEN with Christians in their midst?
Forgive my confusion, then, when I see posts from people who claim or assume that the church in America is its’ biggest enemy, and most existential threat – instead of the hundreds of thousands of babies aborted, the near destruction of the family in this country that people like Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin decry, or venal, principle-challenged leaders who sully life by supporting its’ abortion, attempt to destroy America by eating away at its’ Judeo-Christian foundations, and lead lives of not-so-quiet defense of our real enemies – both here in the homeland and overseas.
Before you pick up the torches of religious fear and condemnation, maybe you’d benefit from a study of this country’s Judeo-Christian heritage and the Spirit-led humanity of the church in America.
You seem to think you live in a country where people of faith have too much power and influence, make demands and rules on others’ lives, and force their beliefs on others. You’re wrong.
That’s Iran, That’s Saudi Arabia. That’s Somalia. That’s Syria. That’s Libya. If you’re equating America with those places, then you don’t know (or get) America at all.
And the evidence for this would be… what?
Oh, your irrational suppositions? Yes, that about covers it.
But, that’s always enough for a leftist.
But, very importantly, how would she do as commander-in-chief?
Jillian,
Perzactly.
Bachmann is, at base, a rabblerouser. We have no idea how she would govern. On the other hand we know for a certainty that Palin is best able to guide us through the necessary transformation. We know this because she has done it. As Governor of Alaska she took down the corrupt Republican establishment, tore asunder the stranglehold that big energy had on the state and emerged with an approval rating above 80%.
I’ll take real world performance over speechifying every time.
Roy
>>Bachmann is, at base, a rabblerouser. We have no idea how she would govern.
Agreed. She’s got ideas? I wouldn’t mind giving her a warm bucket of spit and the task of dismantling half the federal bureaucracy including her former employer.
She’s never done anything good for Minnesota.
As the CinC of the Alaska National Guard, Sarah Palin is experienced in that regard. I understand the AK unit was pretty active in their deployments.
LovelyEarth is afraid of women who have morals and an instinct to do the only observable purpose us humans have here on this earth. She had children and loved and cared for them. This is not part of the “progress” our earth worshiping friend has in mind.
Chairman “O” seeks not to take us back to the 1700′s, only back as far as 1917 Russia or 1939 Germany.
VIC: you’re not a womyn, so I do not expect you to feel an understanding of the my positions. All I can say is that prior to the Womyn’s Movement, womyn were virtual slaves. People like Bachmann are confused and rally against their own best interests. Sarah Palin is the worst offender, having multiple children (one knowingly birthed with Downs, how cruel is that?). As Al Gore explained in a very recent Rolling Stone article, people are polluting and killing our glorious Earth – we need less children, not more! Look at it this way, I’m for freeing womyn across the world. That’s why I have a “Let Saudi Womyn Drive” bumper sticker on my Range Rover. I do my part. I’m for freedom, can’t you see that? That’s why I’ll always support strict legislation that enforces freedom, such as equal pay laws, anti-discrimination laws, re-distribution laws, strict gun control, the Fairness Doctrine, enforced organic self-sufficiency programs, and strict dietary laws. But you wouldn’t understand any of this, because you’re blind!
“That’s why I’ll always support strict legislation that enforces freedom, such as equal pay laws, anti-discrimination laws, re-distribution laws, strict gun control, the Fairness Doctrine, enforced organic self-sufficiency programs, and strict dietary laws. But you wouldn’t understand any of this, because you’re blind!”
…strict legislation that enforces freedom”? Could you possibly be any more oxymoronic? This is liberalism in a nutshell, folks. Strict regulation. Enforce Freedom.
equal pay laws – We will force you to pay women the same amount and in the same way as men. Your businesses belong to us!
anti-discrimination laws – We will force you to associate with people you find repugnant. Your lives belong to us!
re-distribution laws – We will take your money and give it to others we deem deserving. Your money belongs to us!
strict gun control – We will take your guns away. Your guns belong to us!
the Fairness Doctrine – Dissent shall not be tolerated. Only right-thinking people’s views are tolerated. Your speech belongs to us!
enforced organic self-sufficiency programs, and strict dietary laws – Your dietary decisions belong to us!
But you wouldn’t understand any of this, because you’re blind! – No, I understand it. I see all too clearly your totalitarian views.
Thank you for this all-too-revealing, Leftist screed!
LovelyEarth,
You cannot “enforce freedom”. Your use of that phrase clearly indicates that you do not have a clear understanding of what freedom is at all.
Lovely Earth subscribes to the meme that “The beatings will continue until morale improves.” And…why do you spell it “womyn”? WTF is wrong with you?
Its the new feminist way to spell woman – without the “man” in it, ’cause its just so oppressive. (I wonder if they’ll refer to womyn as humyn as well – ha!)
“…Its the new feminist way to spell woman – without the “man” in it…”
That’s a real puker.
A RANGE ROVER???? Aren’t you supposed to drive a Prius?
I got a bike – but, I live in the Pacific NorthWest, where they won’t let you guy food unless you own and ride bikes and drink LOTS of coffee.
Anyone seen my mug around here? It’s the one with the flag on it, and it says, “I’m an OBUMa” on the front …
We’re not really interested in feeling an “understanding ” of your positions.
We’re more interested in THINKING.
So, what’s the grand idea with Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann in the White House: make abortion illegal again in the USA? Great way to lose women’s votes, if you ask me. Can you afford the risk of Obama gleefully fundamentally changing/destroying your country for a second term?
When Michelle Obama gets on het healthy eating hobby horse every conservative groans about the nanny state and how he/she wants the freedom to run his or her own life.
Right now the choice of having or not having an abortion is a decision left to the only person it actually concerns: the pregnant woman. Let those pregnant women run their own lives and make their own decisions!
That’s easy for you to say; you don’t believe abortion is murder.
Exactly. So why should I be forced to have a child based on the beliefs of somebody else?
Nobody forces you to have a child. A pregnancy is nearly always the result of a behavioural CHOICE. Abortion in cases where the woman had no choice–i.e., rape or incest, has always been allowed.
I’m tired of seeing my money going to avert consequences of other people’s chosen behavior. Pregnancy is preventable by abstinence (100%) or fairly reliably by birth control measures. If you don’t want to have a baby, don’t get pregnant. If you have an unwanted pregnancy, there are lots of good people who will adopt.
You and I were once only a few cells in stature. When we treat people at that stage as somehow less human than those of us who are bigger and more powerful, we cheapen human life and our culture is suffering as a result.
Well, unless someone is FORCING you to have sex, I fail to see how you can claim that someone is FORCING you to have a child, regardless of whether abortion is legal or illegal! Silly argument. If you CHOOSE to have sex, then you have to be prepared to deal with the consequences of your own actions, which include the possibility of becoming pregnant. You cannot exercise a choice of your own free will and then claim that the consequences of your freely chosen action are a result of force.
fine
but stop asking everyone else to pay for it
Ok, fine. How about I refuse to pay for a few things too?
Let’s say I think mountain climbing is a silly and dangerous sport. So if somebody falls off a mountain I don’t want to have to pay for it. Same with people who drink until their livers give out, or who do drugs and I can think of half a dozen other things I would hate to pay for because of one reason or another.
How is that different?
“How is that different?”
how is it the same?
how does the specific language in obamacare providing federal funding for abortions compare to mountain climbers and boozers?
Antivenin,
I don’t know if you support Obamacare or not, but if you do, then obviously you are perfectly fine with paying the expenses of someone else who goes mountain climbing and falls and sustains an injury.
If you don’t favor government-funded healthcare, then as a corollary you should not favor government-funded abortions either, since abortion is performed by health-care professionals.
You seem to be saying that if a mountain climber falls off of a mountain and injures himself through his own choice, he should pay for the consequences of his own actions. If that is true, then the same argument would apply to a woman who became pregnant through choosing to have sex.
Well, Antivenin, are you allowed to kill your 3-yr-old child? Why not? After all, it only concerns the mother, right? What? No? There is another person involved? The child? Society has a right to step in to defend the child? The child in the womb is still a child. What kind of sick freak woman would kill her own child?
Antivenin, there is something wrong with you. You have dehumanized the baby in the womb, so you can justify killing it, so you do not have to take responsibility for the consequences of having sex.
Here’s a test for you. Get pregnant. Decide you want to abort him. Then, carry it to term after that decision. When the baby is born, look at that baby and tell me again your baby should have been aborted.
Idiot.
>>are you allowed to kill your 3-yr-old child? Why not? After all, it only concerns the mother, right?
When are anti-abortionists going to abandon this leap of logic? Unlike a fetus, a 3-year-old is not a parasite dependent on the mother. Sorry, but in raw biological terms that’s what a fetus is. I await flamers who jump on the figurative, judgment-laden connotations of “parasite” rather than what I specifically stated, ignoring the fail of this toddler/fetus equivalence that imperils their argument.
Arhooley,
Your “parasite” argument is the one that completely fails. A PARASITE is an organism that is FOREIGN TO THE HOST, and in FEEDING OFF OF THE HOST CAUSES DAMAGE TO THE HOST.
A zygote does feed off of the “host” (mother) but in no way damages the host in any way shape or form. The zygote/embryo/child is not foreign to the host, but shares 50% of the host’s DNA.
The purpose of the zygote is to pass on the genes of the host into the gene pool, thereby perpetuating those genes in the species, which, provided the host is healthy, is beneficial to both the host and the species.
Arguing that a zygote is a “parasite” is complete fail.
Arhooley, one more thing,
Explain to me how a 3-year old is NOT a “parasite” dependent on his mother?
Can a 3-year old provide himself with a place to live? Can a 3-year old provide himself with food? Is a 3-year old capable of making his own decisions regarding his own best interests and survival? If anything, a 3-year old is far MORE of a parasite on a mother than an embryo is.
Antivenin,
Palin has never advocated government intervention into the abortion question. She knows that using politics to force a moral issue leads only to dissension and chaos. Yes, she has deep seated convictions about abortion. She is leading the opposition by being a shining example by her own very personal deeds.
Roy
So Palin has never advocated government intervention into the abortion question.
And what about Michelle Bachmann? Is she going to make that an issue? Because I really think it makes no sense to begin re-fighting the battles of the sixties and seventies while Obama is busy wrecking the US and the rest of the free world with it. You need every vote you can get to get that guy out of the White House…
And it was not my intention to derail the thread with a discussion about abortion.
You obviously have strong feelings about the subject, and it’s important enough to you that you have strong reactions about it as well. That’s fine – this is America, and if you don’t have a strong opinion about something in this country before breakfast, you’re just not paying attention.
But here’s where I have a big issue with you – I have NEVER heard either Sarah Palin or Michele Bachmann make ANY public statements saying that, if President, they would completely do away with abortion. Roe vs. Wade is the law of the land (unfortunately); and even though “Roe” herself now opposes abortion, every person I know who opposes it is also a strong believer in the rule of law – which means that we have abortion in this country, for those of us who support it. Our objection to it is twofold; we believe that the practice of abortion is murder; and, if it IS going to be the law of the land, we don’t want to use our own tax dollars to pay for it. What’s so hard to consider about those positions? And why do people who support abortion believe EVERYONE should pay for it? If you make the decision to have an abortion, then you should have the guts and the wherewithal to pay for it; in part so that you’re not imposing your choice – and its’ consequences – on someone else. People in this country should have the right to decide what their hard-earned tax dollars are spent on, including on the basis of religious or personal beliefs.
If you can post links to comments either of these two women have said regarding statements on abortion that you’re describing here, I’d appreciate seeing them.
I have read where residents of Alaska and some Palin staff have said that Palin never allowed her personal convictions on religion or pro-life views to influence her political decisions. On the other hand, Bachmann and her husband currently run a clinic that, among other things, attempts to convert gays into straights using therapy. How bizarre and wrong is that? Personally, that’s a deal-breaker with her.
While there’s not a thing about Michelle to dislike, at least from a right of center viewpoint (mine) I find that, politics aside, she’s no more qualified or capable of being President than the unicorn rider is/was.
If only she’d put her ambition/ego back a notch & run for MN Governor last election. She’d have done a lot more good for MN than she’ll do in the House & would have gotten the sorely lacking executive experience the Presidency requires to be successful.
No, I don’t find her Christian Counseling company as any type of executive experience &, no, I don’t find her years as a tax attorney to be any sort of a Presidential necessity.
Agreed.
Sadly, all the Repub candidates have fatal flaws. Those with the exec experience are wimps (Pawlenty), RINO’s (Romney/Huntsman/Gingrich), Libertarians (the pothead whatshisname/Paul), wounded warriors (Palin), or political novices (Cain). Bachman and Santorum are the same creature, right thinking, but lacking exec experience.
Palin is by far and away the best of the lot. She is sorely wounded. If she were elected, she would prove to be a fine President. Her past demonstrates this. Getting her elected is the rub, though. The best candidate is the least electable. No wonder our country is such a mess. Maybe we should not worry about “electability” and simply go for the right person, period.
I have a couple of questions on this. First, what kind of experience did the early presidents have? If a particular type of experience was necessary for the presidency, why wasn’t it written somewhere, like they wrote the age minimum and other requirements? Secondly, the president is not a dictator, there still will be Congress and Senate and aides, etc. to deal with, so “imposing” anything will require far more than a personal opinion, and as with experience, these other checks/balances and supports exist to shore up “inexperience”. As for Obama, I personally don’t see his problem as inexperience – I think he knows exactly what he is doing.
I am glad she is a candidate as we need someone who will articulate traditional conservative views, and apparantly her personal life has been exemplary. However, it remains to be seen whether she has ideas and persuasive ability to help our country recover from the dire economic and foreign policy issues that have resulted from the current and previous administrations.
If the choice is simply Bachmann or Obama, she will certainly get my vote. However, I do not currently see her experience or accomplishments in the public domain as strong qualifications for the Presidency. Hopefully, during the campaign she will address those issues, but for now she has a long way to go.
Kyle-Anne
Stay in her corner and keep telling her story.
Few could do it better nor with with more home grown knowledge of their own.
I look at the God-awful mess that is WDC and realize my sex has had almost a 100% record of failure at cleaning it up, or for that matter, even attempting a real cleanup,
It really is time for the “broom” to be brought out of the closet and given to someone who knows what it is for and how to use it.
Go Kyle-Anne, Go Michele.
I’d prefer her as Speaker of the House, in light of the fact that she lacks executive experience, but I’m not opposed to nominating her.
Michele Bachmann is a fantastic PATRIOTIC America. Our government is in urgent need of patriotic Americans – before we lose all of our freedoms.
Michele for President!
I love the strategy…Palin runs interference while Bachmann continues her climb. When the lamestream media begins to attack Bachmann, Palin should get that bus rolling again LOL.
#14 reply by Marc Malone: “Sadly, all the Repub candidates have fatal flaws.: I agree; they’re all imperfect human beings as are we all.
“Palin is by far and away the best of the lot…..” Here, we disagree. Without getting into all her other baggage, Palin plays to the fundamentalist Christian viewpoint like most of the candidates.
For me, the best possible Repub ticket is Rudy Giuliani for president and Gary Johnson for V-P. Both are strong fiscal conservatives. And neither is an advocate of nanny-state socialism in trying to use big government to impose those fundamentalist Christian views on the entire society.
“For me, the best possible Repub ticket is Rudy Giuliani for president and Gary Johnson for V-P”
Rudy Giuliani was raised in a completely Dem household in a heavily Dem city in a heavily Dem State. His own mother has said he is a Democrat. He is a FisCon, sure. He also is pro-choice, anti-gun, pro-gay-marriage, pro-illegal immigration, pro-campaign finance restrictions, and an AGW-believer. In other words, he qualifies as a moderate Democrat in his positions. Johnson is a Libertarian. This would make your ideal Republican ticket? A Democrat and a Libertarian? Really?
“…impose those fundamentalist Christian views on the entire society.”
Hetero marriage has always been the law of the land, and still is. No one is “imposing” it on you. It has always been the way of things. Abortion was illegal in all 50 States before 5 SCOTUS Justices set aside every single properly done vote and law on the subject, thus over-ruling the overwhelming majority of the people. Almost 60% of the folks now think abortion is wrong, and the percentage is growing. Who is imposing on whom, here?
Yours is a false argument, anyway. If we banned gay marriage, how would things change for you? Not at all. If we overturned Roe v. Wade, how would things change for you, STEVE? Not at all, I’d bet.
If letting us SoCons get our way on this gets you fiscal sanity in our government and prosperity in the land, what does it actually cost you personally? Nothing. Why do you reject our morality, anyway? What exactly is wrong with it? You are merely regurgitating propaganda.
You are just a disaffected Democrat looking for a Democrat in Republican clothes you can support, rather than re-examining your belief system and seeing the hollowness of it. You see the damage. You reject the damage. You fail to see the link between your beliefs and the damage. You do not want to see the manifest failure of your belief system.
Steve, THIS is what Democratic beliefs look like in actual practice. There is no getting around it, although you try.
FDR with an overwhelming democratic Congress gave us the Great Depression and Social Security.
Truman with a Democratic Congress gave us the Korean “police action”.
LBJ with a Democratic Congress gave us Vietnam and Medicare.
Carter with a Democratic Congress gave us the Ayatollah and stagflation. Clinton with a Democratic Congress in ’93 & ’94 tried to give us HillaryCare (Universal Healthcare), and got spanked in the mid-terms. The Republican congress saved Clinton from his Democratic policies.
Recently, we had the spectacle of Obama and an overwhelmingly Democratic Congress giving us Obamacare, no budgets at all, Stimulus, overwhelming debt, an Imperial Presidency, no end to wars, and Great Depression 2.0.
And you want Republicans who are only kinda sorta like that?
It is time for you to wake up. I have some Dark Side coffee for you, and pastries.
She voted to extend the so called “Patriot Act” after she makes a big todo and reads the Constitution on the floor of the House. Just what we need,another PRETENDER..
I am madly in love with my Michele, I even have a permission slip from my wife, SHE has more credentials than the current stupid in chief can lie up. Forget the sparkling personality, the pleasant demeanor—wait a minute those should count too. I still want to repeal the nineteenth amendment any vote for OBamboozle is a vote against America.
She usurped the Tea Party when she formed the Tea Party caucus. She took credit for what the Tea Party did in the midterm elections when she was too busy trying to win her own race. She doesn’t do anything with the Tea Party caucus. She couldn’t even rally the Tea Party to call their congressmen to vote against Pigford. She didn’t even inform the members of the Tea Party caucus to vote against Pigford. She gave a horrible rebuttal to the State of the Union. She’s no leader. She hasn’t done anything in Congress. SHE HAS ZERO EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE.
The only difference between her and Øbama is he’s a socialist. They both want the corner office without paying their dues, are drama queens, and take credit for what other people do.
You can have her. She wouldn’t even win her own state.
That’s good enough reason to go out in a snowstorm and vote for her.
“Cred”?
Is it really necessary to devolve into ghetto language in order to discuss current events?
No, it is not.
Not only is it not necessary, it’s not helpful. In fact, it’s harmful. As a professed “Christian above all else”, Mrs. Shiver, you should hold to a higher standard.
“Be not seduced: Evil communications corrupt good manners.” 1 Corinthians 15:33
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition
When Sarah says ‘game on”, you will see her supporters come out en masse with unwavering support for the duration of her campaign.
It will be a bonanza for the media for sure ~ Because she is Sarah, she will get a tremendous amt of free media.
The free media afforded her will be good for her and the ratings for the networks.
……Mark Levin would make a great Vice President for Palin ~ He would for sure put away Biden in the VP debate….believe me when I tell you….
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In the debate between Obama/Palin she will do him in big time ~ no two ways about it…
Now he has track record and she will come out swinging…
The debate will go down in history as the most watched and the most interesting.
This woman was responsible for the most watched ~ VP presidential debate ever ~ 85 million including PBS, was the count……….Without McCain she would have won…She had to defend McCain most of the time…Had she told of all he accomplishments in her 20 years in public office, she would be in the White House now…with someone other then McCain.
You can watch the debate on cspan below…Oct. 2, 2018 ..
Even Biden during the debate had good things to say about Sarah. Just click on the cspan and watch.
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/VicePresidentialCandidate
Interesting what the General had to say about Sarah Palin.
Alaska has the biggest National Guard in the country, first defense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ClzolIhRSM
Palin/2012…………Mark Levin, Sheriff Joe, Herman Cain, Jeff Sessions or Allen West as Sarah’s Vice President.
Palin is the only one that can take down the crook, Obama.
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Obama prays to Allah 5 times a day that he never has to debate Sarah Palin. She showed how much A** she can kick when she debated Biden – and he’s been in politics a hundred years! On top of that, he was flirting with her while she was kicking his butt.
The Humanity and Inhumanity of Abortion
The inhumanity of abortion, which has claimed in excess of 50,000,000 innocent, pre-born lives in America since Roe v. Wade, far more lives than our nation has lost in all of our wars combined, is apparent to all but the most ardent proponents of the “procedure” and to those who realize the barbarity is inhumane but who defend it on tenuous bases of privacy and personal rights of women and young girls.
Tremendous scientific and technological advances in knowledge concerning fetal surgery, embryology, (pre-natal life), have taken place in recent years. Ultrasound and other techniques now prove what pro-lifers have long claimed, that fetal viability and capacity to experience intense pain occur long before feminists, the abortion lobby, and those all-too-eager to experiment on fetuses contend.
What follows is excerpted from a story and commentary reprinted by permission from the July edition of “Life News,” P.O. Box 223, Ronkonkoma, N.Y. 11779. Both powerfully serve to illustrate the fundamental humanity of pre-born life and the inherent inhumanity of destroying it.
“Given the Chance” by Caitlin Kennedy
On October 24th 2006, a little bundle of life was brought into the world. And when I say little, I mean little.
Amillia Taylor was born at Baptist Children’s Hospital in Miami, Florida, weighing in at a mere 10 ounces. She had spent only 21 weeks in her mother’s womb and was 9 inches in length — approximately the size of a ballpoint pen . . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=4849)