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		<title>By: Now and Then</title>
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		<dc:creator>Now and Then</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>72. Gary Ogletree:
&quot;Sarah is free to back any honest conservative who is up to snuff and SarahPAC will be getting the bucks the beltway GOP used to rely on.&quot;

And conservative candidates are free to ask fro her help, but none of them are. Know why? For the same reason people aren&#039;t booking her speeches . . . she&#039;s a &quot;blithering idiot.&quot; There&#039;s a reason she won&#039;t answer any questions, and it&#039;s not because she loves Alaska. 

Yet without her, where are you, what becomes of your movement, who do you have? I&#039;m afraid you&#039;ve hitched your wagon to dead horse. You&#039;ve whined yourselves into a corner and you think Palin and Beck will save you when in fact they are the cause of you being marginalized. It is not your beliefs that defeat you, it is your extremism. 

Your heroes are shills not for any movement but for themselves. Their reward is not tied to philosophy but to profit via ratings.  And so they will continue to stoke your rage. They don&#039;t want conservatives to win. They don&#039;t want Republicans to win. They make more money when they&#039;re attacking rather than defending. The crazier they make you look, the more money they make . . . birthers, killing grandma, You lie!, rooting against America, agreeing with al Qaeda . . . and you go along like cows to the slaughter in your three-cornered hats and your arbitrary patriotism.

All fine with me, by the way. I&#039;m loving it. Hail Rush! Go Sarah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>72. Gary Ogletree:<br />
&#8220;Sarah is free to back any honest conservative who is up to snuff and SarahPAC will be getting the bucks the beltway GOP used to rely on.&#8221;</p>
<p>And conservative candidates are free to ask fro her help, but none of them are. Know why? For the same reason people aren&#8217;t booking her speeches . . . she&#8217;s a &#8220;blithering idiot.&#8221; There&#8217;s a reason she won&#8217;t answer any questions, and it&#8217;s not because she loves Alaska. </p>
<p>Yet without her, where are you, what becomes of your movement, who do you have? I&#8217;m afraid you&#8217;ve hitched your wagon to dead horse. You&#8217;ve whined yourselves into a corner and you think Palin and Beck will save you when in fact they are the cause of you being marginalized. It is not your beliefs that defeat you, it is your extremism. </p>
<p>Your heroes are shills not for any movement but for themselves. Their reward is not tied to philosophy but to profit via ratings.  And so they will continue to stoke your rage. They don&#8217;t want conservatives to win. They don&#8217;t want Republicans to win. They make more money when they&#8217;re attacking rather than defending. The crazier they make you look, the more money they make . . . birthers, killing grandma, You lie!, rooting against America, agreeing with al Qaeda . . . and you go along like cows to the slaughter in your three-cornered hats and your arbitrary patriotism.</p>
<p>All fine with me, by the way. I&#8217;m loving it. Hail Rush! Go Sarah!</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Byler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Byler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the posters here attacking McCain and calling him a RINO need to get real and educate themselves about McCain&#039;s conservative voting record and McCain&#039;s hawkish foreign voice based on his unrivaled expertise and experience.  I wrote about that in post #5 above, and I further wrote that the animosities that some conservatives had were based on old issues and did not relate to current issues.  McCain, a patriot war hero, is one of the most knowledgeable people around as to foreign policy, military matters and national security; he is pushing to support General McChrystal in Afghanistan and the Iranian dissidents; but what are too many posters here doing?  Trashing McCain.  STUPID.   

What McCain stood for in 2008, in his old fashioned way was American military power ensuring peace, fiscal conservatism and appointment of strict constructionsist judges ot the federal bench.  Would you not all love to have that platform implemented now instead of Obama&#039;s socialism, appeasement-minded foreign policy that includes a weak America apologizing and appointment of left wingers to the federal bench?

Sure enough, one response of a subsequent poster cited some of the old issues, one being the &quot;Gang of 14&quot; back in 2005. So let&#039;s take the Gang of 14, and examine it.  I say that those who throw that at McCain are badly mistaken and should further be embarrassed by still relying on it.

Please recall that back in 2005, there was a Schumer led Democrat filibuster of Bush judicial nominees. While it was said that the fillibuster had not been invoked historically with respect to judicial nominations, that was because judicial nominations were once not political. They are now, because of the Democrats, and Schumer intended to block conservative nominees.

There was under consideration a so-called “constitutional option” of changing the filibuster rules so that they could not be invoked as to judicial nominees. The problems with that “option” were: (i) that it was not known whether it would have been passed — many Senators were quietly leery of changing filibuster rules, which had not been done before; and (ii) if it did pass, if there were a Democrat Congress with the White House in Democrat hands, the road would be open to appoint left wingers to the U.S. Supreme Court and to the U.S. Courts of Appeals. We of course have had a Democrat Congress as a result of the 2006 and 2008 elections and have a Barack Obama Presidency as a result of the 2008 election. Also, had the constitutional option not been passed, it would have meant a blockage of all or almost all of Bush’s judicial nominees.

What the “Gang of 14&quot; refers to was a compromise brokered by a group of Republican and Democrat Senators to allow Bush nominees to be voted on and thus approved unless there be extraordinary circumstances. That way, the Bush nominees to the U.S. Supreme Court and most of the Bush nominees to the U.S. Courts of Appeals could be confirmed without changing fillibuster rules or running the risk of having a complete blockage on conservative confirmations. In fact, John Roberts and Sam Alito were confirmed to the U.S. Supreme Court and a great number of Bush nominees to the U.S. Courts of Appeals were confirmed. As a result, Chuckie Schumer complained that the Democrats were snookered. Yet, McCain has been pilloried because of the Senate compromise that can fairly be said to have snookered Chuckie. Wrong.

We have our hands full in fighting Obama and the socialist appeasement-minded Democrats.  McCain&#039;s voting record and voice on foreign policy issues place him on our side.  Spending time attacking McCain today is STUPIDLY counterproductive.

May I suggest that the socialists ar quite aware of where McCain stands.  The New York Times is now attacking McCain for being a &quot;dangerous&quot; &quot;bomb thrower&quot; with respect to health care.  (McCain had the most conservative, free market health care approach of any candidate in 2008.)  The New York Times also had made its displeasure known with repsect to McCain&#039;s support of an Afghan &quot;surge.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the posters here attacking McCain and calling him a RINO need to get real and educate themselves about McCain&#8217;s conservative voting record and McCain&#8217;s hawkish foreign voice based on his unrivaled expertise and experience.  I wrote about that in post #5 above, and I further wrote that the animosities that some conservatives had were based on old issues and did not relate to current issues.  McCain, a patriot war hero, is one of the most knowledgeable people around as to foreign policy, military matters and national security; he is pushing to support General McChrystal in Afghanistan and the Iranian dissidents; but what are too many posters here doing?  Trashing McCain.  STUPID.   </p>
<p>What McCain stood for in 2008, in his old fashioned way was American military power ensuring peace, fiscal conservatism and appointment of strict constructionsist judges ot the federal bench.  Would you not all love to have that platform implemented now instead of Obama&#8217;s socialism, appeasement-minded foreign policy that includes a weak America apologizing and appointment of left wingers to the federal bench?</p>
<p>Sure enough, one response of a subsequent poster cited some of the old issues, one being the &#8220;Gang of 14&#8243; back in 2005. So let&#8217;s take the Gang of 14, and examine it.  I say that those who throw that at McCain are badly mistaken and should further be embarrassed by still relying on it.</p>
<p>Please recall that back in 2005, there was a Schumer led Democrat filibuster of Bush judicial nominees. While it was said that the fillibuster had not been invoked historically with respect to judicial nominations, that was because judicial nominations were once not political. They are now, because of the Democrats, and Schumer intended to block conservative nominees.</p>
<p>There was under consideration a so-called “constitutional option” of changing the filibuster rules so that they could not be invoked as to judicial nominees. The problems with that “option” were: (i) that it was not known whether it would have been passed — many Senators were quietly leery of changing filibuster rules, which had not been done before; and (ii) if it did pass, if there were a Democrat Congress with the White House in Democrat hands, the road would be open to appoint left wingers to the U.S. Supreme Court and to the U.S. Courts of Appeals. We of course have had a Democrat Congress as a result of the 2006 and 2008 elections and have a Barack Obama Presidency as a result of the 2008 election. Also, had the constitutional option not been passed, it would have meant a blockage of all or almost all of Bush’s judicial nominees.</p>
<p>What the “Gang of 14&#8243; refers to was a compromise brokered by a group of Republican and Democrat Senators to allow Bush nominees to be voted on and thus approved unless there be extraordinary circumstances. That way, the Bush nominees to the U.S. Supreme Court and most of the Bush nominees to the U.S. Courts of Appeals could be confirmed without changing fillibuster rules or running the risk of having a complete blockage on conservative confirmations. In fact, John Roberts and Sam Alito were confirmed to the U.S. Supreme Court and a great number of Bush nominees to the U.S. Courts of Appeals were confirmed. As a result, Chuckie Schumer complained that the Democrats were snookered. Yet, McCain has been pilloried because of the Senate compromise that can fairly be said to have snookered Chuckie. Wrong.</p>
<p>We have our hands full in fighting Obama and the socialist appeasement-minded Democrats.  McCain&#8217;s voting record and voice on foreign policy issues place him on our side.  Spending time attacking McCain today is STUPIDLY counterproductive.</p>
<p>May I suggest that the socialists ar quite aware of where McCain stands.  The New York Times is now attacking McCain for being a &#8220;dangerous&#8221; &#8220;bomb thrower&#8221; with respect to health care.  (McCain had the most conservative, free market health care approach of any candidate in 2008.)  The New York Times also had made its displeasure known with repsect to McCain&#8217;s support of an Afghan &#8220;surge.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: myth buster</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/mccain-continues-to-prove-himself-the-enemy-of-the-grassroots/#comment-417948</link>
		<dc:creator>myth buster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you can&#039;t tell the difference between Huckabee and Bush, you haven&#039;t been paying attention.  Huckabee is a lot more aggressive than Bush is, and he&#039;s smarter and more lucid as well.  Huckabee said no bailouts, no stimulus spending, save for legitimate infrastructure projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can&#8217;t tell the difference between Huckabee and Bush, you haven&#8217;t been paying attention.  Huckabee is a lot more aggressive than Bush is, and he&#8217;s smarter and more lucid as well.  Huckabee said no bailouts, no stimulus spending, save for legitimate infrastructure projects.</p>
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		<title>By: dck</title>
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		<dc:creator>dck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 02:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The grand OLD party is caught up in nostalgia for a bygone era, an imagined, pre-Reagan, Golden Age when the country was well-run (they believe) by the professional political class via &quot;deals&quot; made by the Grand Bulls of the parties and the People waved a few candidate signs, paid their taxes, and didn&#039;t disrupt the flow of Great Events. 

The reason these Old Bulls dislike the grassroots of the Party (that would be us) is that the grassroots ARE the People, not the better breed of Men that GOP bronze busts like McCain,Dole,and Howard Baker think are the real movers and shakers of the Country.

That is why Palin was &quot;vulgar&quot; to them.  In Latin, &quot;Vulgar&quot; means &quot;of the People.&quot; To this crowd and their supporters, people like David Brooks, &quot;moderation&quot; means a return to the soft dictates of consensus rule among political professionals, and the People are polite and stay out of it.  

Nostalgia at this level of grand delusion and pomposity is like alcoholism: They will have to hit bottom. If these &quot;moderates&quot; in fact prevail, the Party will die alone and unloved in the political gutter (unless the Dems keep them alive on life-support for the pretense of a two-party system).  The only question is when and at what cost to the country.  

The Old Republican Party, no longer Grand, is moving into its final stage with the appearance of the McCain/Dole death rattle. It may take only one more election disaster. 

&quot;Nadyezhda yaest,&quot; as a Russian policeman told CNN after the collapse of the old Soviet Union: &quot;There is Hope&quot; wherever so much deadwood is swept away suddenly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The grand OLD party is caught up in nostalgia for a bygone era, an imagined, pre-Reagan, Golden Age when the country was well-run (they believe) by the professional political class via &#8220;deals&#8221; made by the Grand Bulls of the parties and the People waved a few candidate signs, paid their taxes, and didn&#8217;t disrupt the flow of Great Events. </p>
<p>The reason these Old Bulls dislike the grassroots of the Party (that would be us) is that the grassroots ARE the People, not the better breed of Men that GOP bronze busts like McCain,Dole,and Howard Baker think are the real movers and shakers of the Country.</p>
<p>That is why Palin was &#8220;vulgar&#8221; to them.  In Latin, &#8220;Vulgar&#8221; means &#8220;of the People.&#8221; To this crowd and their supporters, people like David Brooks, &#8220;moderation&#8221; means a return to the soft dictates of consensus rule among political professionals, and the People are polite and stay out of it.  </p>
<p>Nostalgia at this level of grand delusion and pomposity is like alcoholism: They will have to hit bottom. If these &#8220;moderates&#8221; in fact prevail, the Party will die alone and unloved in the political gutter (unless the Dems keep them alive on life-support for the pretense of a two-party system).  The only question is when and at what cost to the country.  </p>
<p>The Old Republican Party, no longer Grand, is moving into its final stage with the appearance of the McCain/Dole death rattle. It may take only one more election disaster. </p>
<p>&#8220;Nadyezhda yaest,&#8221; as a Russian policeman told CNN after the collapse of the old Soviet Union: &#8220;There is Hope&#8221; wherever so much deadwood is swept away suddenly.</p>
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		<title>By: arthur</title>
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		<dc:creator>arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Palin is the future of the party then the party is in very bad shape</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Palin is the future of the party then the party is in very bad shape</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Ogletree</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Ogletree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A year from now few will credit the smear campaign of &#039;08 as having damaged the Thrilla from Wasilla.  Thanks to President Wee Wee and the most corrupt and demented Democratic Congress evah, conservatives, independents and common sense Democrats are getting organized to select candidates to challenge liberals of all political factions in both primaries and general elections.  John McCain and the GOP beltway are already has beens.  Sarah is free to back any honest conservative who is up to snuff and SarahPAC will be getting the bucks the beltway GOP used to rely on.  Stock up on popcorn.  And pardon me, it&#039;s time for Tea.  Party on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A year from now few will credit the smear campaign of &#8217;08 as having damaged the Thrilla from Wasilla.  Thanks to President Wee Wee and the most corrupt and demented Democratic Congress evah, conservatives, independents and common sense Democrats are getting organized to select candidates to challenge liberals of all political factions in both primaries and general elections.  John McCain and the GOP beltway are already has beens.  Sarah is free to back any honest conservative who is up to snuff and SarahPAC will be getting the bucks the beltway GOP used to rely on.  Stock up on popcorn.  And pardon me, it&#8217;s time for Tea.  Party on!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As David Frum said recently, the GOP has become the party of wise old men and angry un-indoctrinated young white men. &lt;/i&gt;

Fixed that for you tom.

How can one claim to be &quot;educated&quot; when they lack a foundation of history, basic economics (no such thing as a free lunch), philosophy, and literature? That piece of paper they&#039;re giving most disciplines these days has all the real value of a REALLY expensive and uncomfortable square of toilet paper. Even the Fossil Media admits that too many college graduates are unqualified to work in their field of study.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/24/AR2005122400701.html

Personally I think we need a party that adheres to fiscally conservative principles of smaller and limited government, low taxes, strong national defense, and adherence to the Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As David Frum said recently, the GOP has become the party of wise old men and angry un-indoctrinated young white men. </i></p>
<p>Fixed that for you tom.</p>
<p>How can one claim to be &#8220;educated&#8221; when they lack a foundation of history, basic economics (no such thing as a free lunch), philosophy, and literature? That piece of paper they&#8217;re giving most disciplines these days has all the real value of a REALLY expensive and uncomfortable square of toilet paper. Even the Fossil Media admits that too many college graduates are unqualified to work in their field of study.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/24/AR2005122400701.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/24/AR2005122400701.html</a></p>
<p>Personally I think we need a party that adheres to fiscally conservative principles of smaller and limited government, low taxes, strong national defense, and adherence to the Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Olga Centura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olga Centura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The DNC is filling not only its ranks, but seeding the ranks of the GOP with ACORN-branded on their butts weak moderates.  Underestimate average Americans all you want -- in case you missed it over 2.3 million just stomped down Pennsylvania 9.12.09 and told Bambi and his supporters to stick his socialist deathcare agenda up his rear-end.  That was the number that was allowed in before they shut down the beltway.  And for every one there how many at home and across America that day in Tea Parties were there in spirit?  The resurgence of the conservative center will come from the bottom up (grassroots), not by top down, by over-fed, over buttoned, over-perked royalty squatting in our Congress.  That sucking sound you hear as McCain clomps building his palace is the middle class going down the shitter.  Godzilla 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The DNC is filling not only its ranks, but seeding the ranks of the GOP with ACORN-branded on their butts weak moderates.  Underestimate average Americans all you want &#8212; in case you missed it over 2.3 million just stomped down Pennsylvania 9.12.09 and told Bambi and his supporters to stick his socialist deathcare agenda up his rear-end.  That was the number that was allowed in before they shut down the beltway.  And for every one there how many at home and across America that day in Tea Parties were there in spirit?  The resurgence of the conservative center will come from the bottom up (grassroots), not by top down, by over-fed, over buttoned, over-perked royalty squatting in our Congress.  That sucking sound you hear as McCain clomps building his palace is the middle class going down the shitter.  Godzilla 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As David Frum said recently, the GOP has become the party of old white men and angry uneducated young white men. A Palin nomination would be a disaster but ultimately the party would hit rock bottom with her nomination. Then the rebound could start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As David Frum said recently, the GOP has become the party of old white men and angry uneducated young white men. A Palin nomination would be a disaster but ultimately the party would hit rock bottom with her nomination. Then the rebound could start.</p>
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		<title>By: Jettboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jettboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I have said before, I would rather die with my principles than live without any. Let the Republican Party pass to insignificants if that is what it takes for true Conservative values to make a resurgence. I don&#039;t want a party of moderation, I want one of Conservatism in the truest sense of the word. I refuse to give in to the idea that I have to give up things I believe to allow a Party to keep power. If that Party doesn&#039;t represent me then I won&#039;t help it win elections. All you RINO loving McCain-ites can continue supporting him, but if you will vote Democrat were you ever really a Republican? I say this because if the moderates kick us Conservatives out because we want to stand our ground, then the Republican Party is not going to be in any better position to win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I have said before, I would rather die with my principles than live without any. Let the Republican Party pass to insignificants if that is what it takes for true Conservative values to make a resurgence. I don&#8217;t want a party of moderation, I want one of Conservatism in the truest sense of the word. I refuse to give in to the idea that I have to give up things I believe to allow a Party to keep power. If that Party doesn&#8217;t represent me then I won&#8217;t help it win elections. All you RINO loving McCain-ites can continue supporting him, but if you will vote Democrat were you ever really a Republican? I say this because if the moderates kick us Conservatives out because we want to stand our ground, then the Republican Party is not going to be in any better position to win.</p>
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