Comments on: Mano a Mano: Hillary, Obama Face Off on Immigration

By: Phineas Worthington

Phineas Worthington — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 04:18:49 +0000

It doesn’t matter how bad Hillary or Obama foul up. The Latino vote is solidly democratic. If you rob Peter to pay Pablo, you will always have the support of Pablo.

The fundamental, systemic problems are legal wealth transfers and multiculturalism, not immigration.

And Ruben’s notion that Obama is some kind of advocate for free trade and the free exchange of labor is just plain silly.

Vota temprano y vota mucho!

By: kiwi

kiwi — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 00:22:29 +0000

Why our/your grand parents were welcome to US, while new comers aren’t?

Have problem with illegals – make them legal. Think about 11 mln more people paying taxes!

Furthermore, a lot of them have MS degrees and they work as XXI century slaves. When this huge workforce find legal employment, who will you blame when you still can’t find a job?

By: Curly Smith

Curly Smith — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 18:02:08 +0000

I think both Obama and Clinton are right, as is David Thompson. Here’s how/why:

- Illegals aren’t taking jobs away from blacks in the inner cities because there is no job growth in the inner cities. The Dems have destroyed economic development and there is net loss of jobs in those areas.

- Illegals are taking “construction” jobs away in suburban areas but generally only the lower, entry level type of job. Some of the higher-skilled jobs (maybe backhoe operator) can also go if it’s cheaper to hire 8 illegals with shovels versus a guy with a backhoe.

- Illegals are flocking to the inner cities because it’s easier to capture welfare benefits, whether one is entitled or not, in the big cities than in small town USA. San Francisco has a homeless problem because they’re make being homeless in San Francisco a rather attractive opportunity.

How illegals impact you and how you see their impact varies widely with where you live. It also depends on your occupation.

By: David Thomson

David Thomson — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 19:56:51 +0000

Victor Davis Hanson has just coauthored The Immigration Solution: A Better Plan Than Today’s. The evidence makes it abundantly clear that the welfare benefits available to illegal immigrants have resulted in the unintended consequences of establishing a new permanent underclass. The more recent Hispanic illegal aliens have extremely high illegitimacy rates, arrest records, contempt for education, and care little about becoming assimilated Americans. To be blunt, these people are often very dangerous and destructive.

The United States should eagerly seek new immigrants—who have something to offer. We should care less about their race or ethnicity. The 1965 immigration act regrettably established the tacit notion that America is a racist nation and must be punished for its past sins. We therefore have no right to deny anyone possessing brown skin. This nonsense must cease as quickly as possible.

By: Josh

Josh — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:30:36 +0000

Let me get this straight. You think that ILLEGAL workers are nothing more than competition? You are serious about this? It’s not a joke? I just want to make sure that I’m interpreting you correctly. If I am then you are making the case that we really should round up all of them and ship them back. I really hope I’m wrong and you didn’t mean that. It’s the most ridiculous claim in defense of illegals to date.

By: Little Much

Little Much — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 16:44:26 +0000

so was hillary using the “necessity is the mother of invention?” meaning, upgrade your skills if you’re having a tough time being unemployed. That may be a good point and the influx of of illegals is forcing that “necessity” upon legal americans, however, this thinking does nothing to benefit slave labor. presently and without regulations the ones benefiting are the lawbreakers, cheapskate employers using exploitation tactics – none of which is of any benefit (in the long term) to our economy or our soul? well, at this point who really cares about the American soul. money talks. and in that sense illegals sending american money back to their countries = a zero in terms of economic benefit to the US.

my bet is on Romney to have a realistic view on what the present illegal-lawlessness-employer-exploitation has done and is doing to this country.

By: Mike M.

Mike M. — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:38:52 +0000

A shill for ‘only the bottom-line matters’? You seem to be encouraging US companies to hire illegals on the basis that it is a ‘good thing’ for real citizens, real citizens living a high US standard of living, one that we all want for ourselves, – to have to compete with people who snuck in here from some place where their family is living at 1/10 that standard. No! These people are dishonest from the get-go and, on average, cost us several thousand dollars each, (most do NOT work). Send them all BACK wherever they came from and severely punish the employers who hire them. Would Ruben crow as loudly if he lost his job to an illegal?

By: craig rooney

craig rooney — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:55:18 +0000

What an eloquent article. I keep trying not to let myself get inspired by Barak Obama–with this article I was nervously clicking all of the links to get here, hoping Obama would be the one who rose, again; also, not wanting to be suckered into finding inspiration in American politics only to feel foolish later. I miss Bill Clinton (compared to W), but his Presidency left me feeling betrayed and dirty.

By: RKV

RKV — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:53:39 +0000

“Look in the mirror?” [expletive] The free riders cut their price Ruben. The native doesn’t. He expects safety and labor laws to be obeyed. The illegal doesn’t. He’s broken our laws and cut to the head of a long line of law abiding people who want to come here and obey our rules. How hard is that for you to get?

In case you don’t know, the United States of America is OUR PROPERTY. We get to say who comes here and who doesn’t. If I came over to your house and setup a tent on your lawn, used your water and power, you’d want me gone huh? You’d call the police. That’s the very same reason we have a Border Patrol and the same reason it is moral for us to throw illegal aliens out of our property.