Made My Obama Friends List, Now Checking It Twice
Friend #2: Tony Rezko
Consider this telling fragment from the Obama timeline, offered by David Freddoso in his new book, The Case Against Barack Obama:
July 31, 1995 — Tony Rezko makes his first political donation to Obama.
January 14, 1997 — Tony Rezko, while claiming he cannot afford to turn on the heat in one of his slums, writes a $1,000 check to Barack Obama’s campaign.
February 1997 — Obama co-sponsors a bill that creates affordable local housing funds in order to subsidize private developers.
August 23, 2001 — A bill is co-sponsored by Obama, giving special tax credits to donors to private developers of “affordable housing.”
May 21, 2003 — Obama votes for the Affordable Housing Planning and Appeal Act, creating demand for at least 7,000 new “affordable housing” units and letting private developers circumvent local ordinances.
August 14, 2003 — Stuart Levine and Tony Rezko steer $50 million in teachers’ retirement money to an investment firm and receive a $250,000 kickback from the “finder.”
March 4, 2004 — Obama co-sponsors a bill to move forward deadlines of a developer-friendly housing bill.
June 15, 2005 — Obama and Tony Rezko close on adjacent properties in Hyde Park.
May 26, 2005 — The Chicago Tribune profiles Tony Rezko, noting that he has been subpoenaed in a criminal investigation.
January 2006 — Obama purchases part of neighbor Tony Rezko’s lot.
Those quality, affordable housing units for the poor residents of Chicago? They are now mostly condemned as uninhabitable by human beings. A really super terrific use of taxpayer money.
Syrian-born Tony Rezko is now in prison, after having been convicted by a federal jury on 16 of 24 counts of corruption charges. Last week, Rezko reportedly made a deal with prosecutors to talk about others steeped in Chicago and greater Illinois political corruption. His “talking” may or may not lead to an indictment against Barack Obama.
As for me, what I already know is enough. This one association alone tells us voters that Barack Obama has neither the character nor judgment to be president.
Friend #3: Bill Ayers
Obama’s relationship with Bill Ayers was first raised in the presidential primary debates between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Obama employed his habitual deflection technique, saying only that “Bill Ayers is a guy who lives in my neighborhood,” and everything he did against America was when “I was eight years old.”
Since then, Obama has been forced to admit a little more here and a little more there about the real relationship he has had with him over at least 15 years. Thanks to the steadfast, persistent efforts of Stanley Kurtz at National Review, we now have more of the Annenberg Challenge records that show clearly Ayers is not just some unknown guy who lives down the street from Obama, but is in fact someone much, much closer.
As Kurtz detailed for the Wall Street Journal in September, Obama’s only executive experience — period — has been working with Bill Ayers on the Annenberg Challenge and its radical education/indoctrination programs:
Despite having authored two autobiographies, Barack Obama has never written about his most important executive experience. From 1995 to 1999, he led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.
The CAC was the brainchild of Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground in the 1960s. Among other feats, Mr. Ayers and his cohorts bombed the Pentagon, and he has never expressed regret for his actions. Barack Obama’s first run for the Illinois State Senate was launched at a 1995 gathering at Mr. Ayers’ home.
Of course, to those on the far political left, from the 1960s onward, Bill Ayers and his radical wife, Bernardine Dohrn, have been heroes, not despicable domestic terrorists. It isn’t hard for me to understand why Obama’s alliance with this pair isn’t problematic for any of the blame-America-first crowd. But for those of us who still love America and believe in our Constitution, a working relationship with domestic terrorist Bill Ayers is enough to disqualify Obama from our votes.
Since Barack Obama has played a game of dodge-ball rhetoric concerning these associations of his — and since they are really all we know about him, his judgment, his character, and his patriotism — he has left us little choice but to vote against him in November.
Early in the year, I wrote that this election would break on the lines of those who still love America and those who clearly don’t. I still believe I’m right and that McCain will win — by a sizable percentage.
Gee – he must have fooled General Powell and Christopher Buckley too. I guess they are not people who love America. I guess that teh 95% of black American and 66% of Hispanic Americans who have indicated they will vote for Senator Obama don’t love America either. You have managed to insult the majority of Americans who have indicated they will vote for Obama. Talk about an elitist! Then again it is great that you continue to write these poorly thought out articles because they reveal the poverty o your ideas
I guess it’s to bad there is not spell check on the reply button…
Bravo, Kyle Ann! These are pertinant facts,well presented.I look forward to all your posts.
What a fantastic piece. Ms. Shiver can always be counted on for her outstanding research and beautiful writing. Now, anyone and everyone reading at Pajamas Media needs to do more than read, blog and vote on election day. We all have to make calls for the McCain campaign in swing states and do it every single day between now and election day.
Obama does NOT have 95% of the black vote. THAT would be an insult to all those in the black community who see Obama for what he is, a dangerous fraud.
good research — too bad the media cannot do 1% of this
a vote for obama truly shows that an American cares NOTHING about this great nation
But let’s not forget Khalid al Mansour, Michael Pfleger, Rashid Khalidi, Bernadine Dohrn, Emil Jones, Nadhami Auchi, Raila Odinga……
In fact, it is more difficult to find one – just one – of his friends, advisors, mentors, babysitters or whatever that is NOT a thug, terrorist, black nationalist, radical Muslim, marxist or some other manner of America hater.
Ya know, it’s not so much the associations that bother me, They surely do.
What really bother’s me though is the total in your face double standard that the left, and the MSM perpetuate upon those who feel these are valid issues.
I would offer the following to your attention:
http://abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1077a2AyersACORNandPalin.pdf
The people McCain and his partisans actually need to reach on November 4th don’t really care about any of these “questionable associations”. Why? Two reasons.
Most of America is sophisticated enough to understand that “questionable associations” can be found for anyone in public life. They are simply part of the package. The serious questions are what will the winner do when he takes office, and what will his Vice President do if the call comes. These are the questions McCain has never been able to adequately answer.
Further, undertaken right now, everything about this campaign tactic smells of political desperation. The time for this [if there was one] was four months ago, and the place for it is not robocalls that annoy voters who are just flat out weary of this marathon campaign.
Wow. As a conservative, reading articles like this remind me why we’re going to get trounced in this election. Nice job, Ms. Shiver. Irrelevant and factually inaccurate issues. Thanks a lot.
Congratulations on an excellent article. You raise questions that keep revolving on our minds, and make us unlikely to support a candidate with a mysterious background, one that he has persistently concealed from voters. No candidate who is glib in his answers, and refuses to release his records will get my vote. This is after all, about our entrusting him with our future, and our American dream and values, and the most powerful job in the world, to just roll the dice and play crapshoot with our votes.
Obama also positively reviewed one of Ayers’ books.
I agree that a one-page “medical” report by Obama’s doctor is not a release of Obama’s medical records. And NO school records. Why not? Too much relatively simple stuff kept hidden. And this downplaying and lack of being open about his past personal associations is very troubling… especially when he has called Rezko, Wright, and Phleger his “mentors.”
I work at a Historically Black University. Last week I was invited to have dinner with the President of the University along with 7 other employees. Needless, to say that I had to sit through 45 minutes of Obama Praise. One comment about made me choke on my bread stick. One lady said “Obama must be clean as a whistle, because the media hasn’t found anything on him yet”. Firt of all, to think that any politician is clean as a whistle is silly to say the least. Secondly, Obama has his fair share of stains, the media just ignores it. They are more interested in doing fact finding missions on a man who is more likely to work on your sewer than he is to ever be your president.
Are you going to believe Obama or your lying eyes ?
Mama always said if you lay down with dogs ,
you wake up with fleas .
One thing about the media , I know not to vote for that puppy drowning plumber !
But were we in Laos or not ? And how was the enemy confused about it again ?
Of course, to those on the far political left, from the 1960s onward, Bill Ayers and his radical wife, Bernardine Dohrn, have been heroes, not despicable domestic terrorists. It isn’t hard for me to understand why Obama’s alliance with this pair isn’t problematic for any of the blame-America-first crowd. But for those of us who still love America and believe in our Constitution, a working relationship with domestic terrorist Bill Ayers is enough to disqualify Obama from our votes.
Kyle-Anne, a couple of points on the above paragraph from my point of view, if I may.
1)Since Ayers and Dohrn were involved with a conspiracy to create a nail bomb (precisely what it sounds like, a bomb, when detonated that would expel nails into the flesh of its intended victims) at Ft. Dix in order to maim, blind, and kill young men in uniform and their innocent dates,….
a) can we finally …finally…put away the canard that those who hero worship these two cretins care about our young men and women in uniform, but instead only dislike war?
b) can we ask the question of those who seek to whitewash their treasonous past and support their tear down the system agenda, how they could face our men and women in uniform, much less lead them in the defense of this land of ours?
2)Since Ayers has been seen photographed stomping his dirty boots on our American flag and has been quoted as saying that this country makes him puke, and that he is a small “c” communist…
a)Can we ask the question of those who soft peddle this treason plan to defend that flag from all enemies, foreign and domestic?
b)Can we ask the question, if wearing a flag on our lapels is the “wrong” kind of patriotism, is stomping on it with dirty boots the “right kind? If so, shouldn’t you give each speech with it on the ground beneath your feet rather than on a pole above your head?
You see, it doesn’t matter to me that Alice Palmer was a communist or that Klonsky is a Maoist. It doesn’t matter how Ayers capitalizes his “c” in communism. It doesn’t matter to me that New Party was really an offshoot of the Democratic Socialists of America or that ACORN is an offshoot or a progenitor of any or all of the above.
It doesn’t matter that Jeremiah Wright is a disciple of James Cone’s Marxist cult. Or that they believe that God must want to kill white people…or be killed Himself by the black congregation. (what this belief has to do with Christianity, I cannot fathom) and that he is on record as saying so. Or that he wishes God to damn America. It does not matter that Moss and Meeks and Pfleger are cast from the same mold.
It does not matter that Klonsky wants to create a “fusion” of Maoists, Communists (large and small “c”) Socialists and anarchists to form a party that takes over the country, ters down the system and is on record saying so.
It does not matter that Frank Marshall Davis was a member of the Communist Party USA, bragged about sexual relations with a 13 year old girl or spat venom about the American Dream.
These lifelong friends, these mentors, these spiritual advisors, these father figures and guiding lights, have been overlords of your pathway from the time you were a boy until this very moment.
It matters not one whit what they believe, although every American of honor and conscience stands in complete opposition to all that they stand for and all that they represent.
It matters not one whit that they wish to tear down the system and to act upon their treasonous plots.
It matters not one whit.
What matters is this.
Which of us will you turn your back on?
I find it insulting that no one has looked into Obama’s past admitted drug use. Remember all the focus on Bush’s supposed cocaine abuses. Did he or did he not smoke pot? It was the talk of web for several months. Now we have a guy who admitted to using drugs and all of a sudden, no one cares. It’s not important. Wow!
Just thought you might be interested in knowing that Obama HAS released his birth certificate.
Obama is not clean as a whistle, but as compared to McCain he at least has some standards and guiding principles.
Have you ever really looked at McCain’s record and flip flops? Pay attention to your candidate he is not at all what he purports.
I would have voted McCain if Clinton had won the Nomination, he like Obama is a cut above many politicians. When compared to one another however, Obama is the stand out in terms of integrity, vision, and pragmatism.
In these times we need a pragmatist like Obama to move us beyond the rhetoric and right/left nonsense.
I urge you to look again with fresh eyes.
We the people are hiring the next president and we deserve to know exactly what is in the candidates resumes, AND what is missing!
Jodie Evans is the Code Pink interloper who attempted to storm the stage during Sarah Palin’s speech at the Republican convention. Here’s a brief description of Evans from “Moonbattery”.
“A founding member of the campaign finance team of Democratic presidential nominee Illinois Sen. Barack Obama has been working with state sponsors of terrorism to undermine the United States in the global war on terror since at least February, 2003.
Jodie Evans, co-founder of the leftist anti-American group Code Pink, has documented ties to governments on the State Department’s list of current and former state sponsors of terrorism including Iran, Cuba, Syria and the former Iraqi government under Saddam Hussein. She also has endorsed and worked with the so-called Iraqi resistance that has killed over three thousand American soldiers and thousands of free Iraqis.”
Please share this information. America deserves the truth about Obama.
It’s mindboggling to see how all these connections get totally ignored by many voters who you’d expect to have some commen sense. Half of the country is simply in denial. Not only they don’t realize that there will be damage, they don’t understand that this damaga will be permanent. Of all the Obama’s shady associates Bill Ayers probably matters the most, because he is the key to understanding the agenda of the camp Obama represents and the the means they are going to use to achieve their goals. Once Obama gives education to Ayers and his followers, the next generation of American kids will be conditioned to believe in the same ideas that drove Ayers to bomb the Pentagon. And then American parents will start hearing questions like Dad, what was that thing you said about President Obama?.
Joseph Marshall:
Your right about it being too late for McCain to play this card now. Four months ago would have made more sense, even if the MSM showed no inclination to cooperate on the story. So I suppose there is an air of desperation about it. Much like the desperation of ACORN and their voter registration tactics, and the “Fight the Smears” website, that labels any criticism as a “smear” or “racist”. The difference is those tactics are working. Strategically, Obama’s team has run a smarter, tougher, and more ruthless campaign that McCain, and it looks like it will pay off on Nov 4th.
However, I don’t understand how that translates into making him a better leader on Jan 20th. I realize he’s promised everything to everybody, but I hope you don’t believe that it will all happen, or that somehow translates into leadership. (see Bill Clinton’s 1st term for examples) I think the concerns voiced by Ms. Shiver are legitimate in so much as they point to character and decision making ability. Is he wise enough to steer America through the difficult times ahead?
If wisdom is the sum of someone’s knowledge and experience (I won’t even go into the experience question), guided by their moral compass, then there’s a lot to be concerned with, as either Obama’s moral compass is broken, in need of repair, or he doesn’t know how to use it. The wisdom that you seem to see is not apparent to me.
(You might want to pray for Obama’s health too – I don’t recall Biden articulating his plan “if the call comes”…)
Too bad that known American hater and covert terrorist , General Powell, endorsed Obama
Hugo Chavez, Mohmar Khadafi, and Fidel Castro are all endorsing Obama as well. Powell spent to much time at the Department of State. Looks like Powell went native.
Either that, or he’s endorsing Obama based on race.
I think it’s race.
Obama is an expert at covering his tracks from his associations with unrepentant terrorists and race baiting zealots to an unverified birth certificate to his non- release of school and medical records to his support of a Marxist style socialist agenda. One thing seems to be clear out in the open though and is a most persuasive argument for not believing Obama’s tax promises. ALL THE UBER ELITE SUPER RICH CELEBRITIES ARE SUPPORTING OBAMA. Hellooooooooo!!! I don’t believe for a milli-second they are all gung-ho about paying taxes of 50% because they love all the Obama/Pelosi/Reid redistribution plans. Their accountants will sock away all of the uber rich fortunes (Buffett, Oprah, and now Powell on the OBAMA GRAVY TRAIN FOR THE RICH AND FAMOUS in untouchable accounts and the Obama/Pelosi/Reid tax and spend policies will ultimately be paid for by hardworking middleclass Americans, just as they plan, to turn us all into socialist drones to be at the disposal of the scheming liberal elite.
Did anyone notice that Obama’s reincarnation of Bill Ayers has him going from ‘english teacher’ at the university, to full “Professor of Education”? And his “uncle” in Kenya that ran, and lost, for president of Kenya is now a ‘distant cousin’?
Interesting the people under that bus of his.
I don’t get it – this is still pure speculation. Obama has publicly addressed all these issues. You want there to be a big, bad secret, but I’m just not seeing it. Don’t you think Hillary and McCain would have found out Obama’s “evil plans” in their vetting process? There’s no way McCain’s people were too sloppy to uncover Obama’s supposed “hidden agenda”. McCain has some questionable associations of his own, but you don’t see them dominating all the opinion coming from the right wing media.
I just don’t get it. You know where Obama stands on so many substantive issues, but this is what you talk about. Attack him for his abortion stance, or his economic policy, or any other number of real issues, but why do we have to keep wondering if there’s something lurking in the past of a man who no longer has any secrets?
RE
I wonder you might be a bit racist yourself
Robert Hurley
Racist? It’s interesting that you’ve used the left’s argument of last resort so quickly. Then again, Powell’s tranparcency is rather hard to defend. So I’m not too surprised.
But go ahead, project as much as you want. Go nuts.
That’s OK, Hurl…there are plenty of REAL America-haters and REAL terrorists who have also endorsed Obama. Hamas, for example…or Ahmadenijihad. How proud you must be.
But seriously, great work on the endless litany of red herrings and straw men you constantly Hurl up on this site. Being that obtuse and intellectually dishonest must be truly taxing. You know, there’s probably real growth potential for you in Dear Leader’s Ministry of Disinformation. But come to think of it, you may already be a card-carrying member…since, substantively, there’s little difference between your water-carrying and that of the news media.
Anyone with just a little socialist background alarms me,and Bakak Hussein Obama’s whole life has been involved with Marxist America haters.Race has nothing to do with a deep concern for the security of our great country.
We also know him by some other friends…Ted Kennedy, Joe Biden, Caroline Kennedy, Maria Shriver, John Kerry…and many more. Give up the terrorist stuff. That dog don’t hunt.
We know EVERYTHING about McCain and Palin thanks to the mainslime media. We know more about Joe the Plumber than we know about Obama why don’t we write in Joe for President? Or how about a Palin/Joe the Plumber ticket that would bring real change to Washington. I like that better than Obama/Biden.
Robert Hurley, please note:
First generation “African-’American’” son of relatively well-to-do British-immigrant parents, life-time Bush-Family and Republican Party blind-spot occupant, affirmative-action poster person, perfumed princeling whose pansy-ness cost General Swartzkoff and America an effective victory in Gulf War One and passed-over projector of the psychopathology that permeates the pathetic self-annointing, appointing and perpetuating basta*d offspring of the Soviet agents, Alger Hiss et al, who comprise Foggy Bottom’s brahmanas and carefully clone its un-and-anti-American foreign(er) service(ing) enemies of (the) State — Colon Powell — will vote for the mobbed-up Marxist murtadd Muslim, B Milhous bin B Hussayn bin Hussayn Muhummad Ubama.
While, meanwhile, I, still proudly one of the 225 million Americans who has NEVER voted for either a Cli’ton or a “Democrat” (let alone for a street-agitating Saul Alinsky Stalinist!) will vote for the McCain/Palin ticket.
And so will around a hundred of our immediate family and circle of friends, neighbors and acquaintances.
Brian Richard Allen and co, 99 : Mr Powell Zip!
Next?
Brian Richard Allen
Los Angeles CalifOBAMAcated 90028 — and the Far Abroad
Yeah, but I’d also like to see where all this money is coming from! You don’t collect $150 in a month in $5 increments.
Labor unions, plaintiff’s attorneys, Saudis, Muslim terrorists, Soros types, Chinese, communists, Russians, black racists and gangsters are funding him (after he said he’d take public funding). What have they been promised? Who are they? What do they expect for their bribes?
Thanks for this amazing article. I wonder what the MSM and the Democrats would say about a Republican presidential candidate who had as little experience and similar questionable ties as Obama. Can you say double-standard? Someone above mentioned Obama’s cocaine use. Yes, what about that? the NYT is smearing Cindy McCain for being addicted to pain killers (which is very common), and the whole MSM made a huge issue of Todd Palin’s single DUI arrest over 20 years ago. Where are they with Obama’s voluntary drug use?? What the hell?
Also, and I know this has been discussed a lot recently, but look what the MSM and left wing is doing to Joe the Plumber. If I were an undecided voter, that alone would make my decision for me. The smear campaign that Obama and Biden (not just the MSM) are doing to Joe on the stump is 10 times worse than anything they claim McCain is doing to them in his ads, and Joe is not running for office. They even make an issue of the fact that Joe’s “real” name is Samuel. Okay, fine, Joe is the guy’s middle name. Why won’t Barack Obama ever say his middle name in public? Even at the Alfred E. Smith dinner, when he was making fun of his name, he couldn’t bring himself to say “Hussein.” I thought that was very interesting. So Joe likes to go by his middle name instead of his first. Is this a crime now? He owes back taxes. So does Martin Nesbitt, the treasurer Obama’s campaign! If Obama’s treasurer can’t keep his taxes current, I think that’s more serious than some guy in Ohio who is behind a little bit and worried about being taxed even more!! Doesn’t that make sense? Joe the Plumber said it best himself, “If you can’t ask a question of your leaders, that’s pretty scary.”
Most interesting was Biden’s recent remark that he guarantees will happen:
We will, within the first 6 months of Obama’s presidency, experience an international “incident” that will test BO. He says our enemies will want to see what he’s made of.
Well —– I’d rather not find out, thank you very much.
I’m going with the guy everybody knows is tough. No testing required.
That dude sticks his foot in it every time.
Brian Richard Allen
If you are truly an African American wich would be hard to prove. the evidence is that your vote for Senator Obama will be one of the 5% of African Americans who vote. As to your characterization of Obama as “mobbed-up Marxist murtadd Muslim, B Milhous bin B Hussayn bin Hussayn Muhummad Ubama,” I think that you are devaluing your opinion by the use of that language. No reasonable person based on the evidence would use that characterization. So go ahead give us some more undounded accusations
Wright, Rezko, and Ayers, we’ve all know about them for months. Do you think this is a winning strategy for McCain to keep repeating the same old trash like some bigmouth ala Cunningham or Hannity? It shows that you have nothing positive to say and that also turns off the undecided, who are the ones you should be trying to reach! Instead, like the blogtard you are, you are just pandering to the geeks on the web or talk radio who have already made up their minds years ago.
Marshall and Hurley, et. al.
He hasn’t released his birth certificate…the Hawaiin “certificate of live birth” he’s posted on his website is not a birth certificate. It won’t qualify as a legal document of birth. Not acceptable to any government agency. Period. He can and should produce his Hawaiian birth certificate– a totally separate document that any American has.
Of course, the fear is that he wasn’t born in the U.S. His Kenyan relatives proudly claim they were at the hospital when he was born. Maybe they’re right, maybe they’re not.
Why no transcripts? College transcripts at the time denote the place of birth. My sense is that there is a lot of Marxist/socialist/race theory stuff on that transcript. That would have no traction with me, nor with many Americans. But not a natural born citizen of the U.S.? Well, that’s problem.
Marshall and Hurly and company, you are simple-minded fools, or you fear the truth. Go ahead– prove me just to be another rightwing nut. Release a copy of an authentic, legally acceptable Hawaiian birth certificate, and I’ll be the simple-minded fool. But there is no fear here. I don’t fear asking a very simple question that can be very simply answered. Nor should you.
Why did Powell endorse Obama? Because Powell is a partner in a “clean tech” company that stands to make multi-millions under Obama’s onerous environmental regs. Follow the money, always follow the money.
Who cares about Powell? He clearly has interest in this presidency and/or he is endorsing because of the race. Just because someone endorses Obama does not VALIDATE Obama it only goes to show you how many people are voting for the wrong reasons.
90% of the black vote is not relevant, most black people supporting Obama are doing so far selfish reasons.
Either to see a black man as president or to benefit from the tax cuts. Ignorance does not discriminate.
http://rkdpolitics.blogspot.com/
Robert Hurley
Will you be leading the looting and rioting in your neighborhood when McCain wins? By the way, it was Powell who made the whole case for taking military action against Iraq…you know the war Obama was against? But now he’s happy to have his endorsement?
This is Classic Kyle-Anne, well researched and very well said. You do us all proud.
A couple of comments on comments:
Mr Hurley(#1)If the shoe fits….
General Powell, his endorsement has been expected for months. The General is not a “warrier” in the sense of a Patton or MacArthur. His primary career positions have been Staff as opposed to Line. He is much more a diplomat. He, incidently, is also not quite black.
Christopher Buckley is still rebelling against “Pup”(dad). Read his justification for this endorsement.(The Daily Beast, OCT 10,2008)
95% of black americans voting for BHO is NOT racism in its purest form, what a quaint idea.
Obama has made it very clear that his focus is global(replay his Berlin speech). His socialist agenda only underlines that.
Mr Marshall
The “everybody does it” argument is sophomoric at best. These “friends” of Obama are america haters and criminals. They are not “just neighbors”
Mr Birdsall
I suppose marching in lockstep with the liberal agenda in the US Senate 100% of the time would meet your definition of pragmatism.
I do tend to agree that the ubiquitous birth certificate may itself be a non issue. I think someone with better resources han I needs to look at Obamas’ time in Indonesia.
I understand he was adopted just before or shortly after arriving in Indonesia. His adoptive father was Indonesian, this made BHO an Indonesian citizen.
By US law he has to renounce that citizenship in order to become a US citizen. His birthplace and certification thereof is not germane. If this is the case why haven’t the INS records been made available. If it is not the case we are still back to a questionable birth document.
If he is an Indonesian citizen, not having taken the US State Department and INS actions necessary to renounce, he is still an Indonesian citizen and is absolutly not an eligible candidate for POTUS.
I’m beginning to think that this election needs to be postponed. Time is necessary to resolve the ACORN mess. How we can as a country go out and vote with this kind of illegal activity un corrected is beyond me. Also, there are far to many deliberate unkowns in the background of one candidate.Just about every document that normally tells parts of ones life story, school records, papers, various certificates, work records, are unavailable, lost or questionable. This should not and can not be left for “after the election”.
Until certain major funding, criminal associations, terrorist ties, ties to ACORN activities, voter registration and Voter Fraud questions are settled to the electorates satisfaction this man Obama can not be allowed access to the levers of power represented by POTUS and occupancy of the White House.
PC is Thought Control
LEE
wpb:
Much of this can be said of any candidate. For one thing, very little gets done by any President without the cooperation of the Congress and the courts. These, plus events, will shape what’s possible. All you can ask of the occupants of the Oval Office is that they are stable, intelligent, and flexible in the face of events.
Is Obama stable? We put our candidates through the longest and most grueling election process on earth, expose them to viscious libels on an industrial scale, and then, at the end of it, put them on public display debating with each other in front of millions. I think Obama passes that test.
Is he intelligent? I have seen an occasional remark reported of him that was ill said or ill timed. But I have never heard of one that I thought stupid. That’s the best evidence available. His general articulateness, particularly when he has time to arrange his mind, is self-evident.
Is he flexible? It’s been so long [about eight years] since anyone in the Executive Branch has been capable of listening to and seeking out independent advice before making a decision that we have almost forgotten what it means. Obama does this.
Now I must say I get weary of this “moral compass” business. Despite the unbelievable rigors and duration of this campaign, I have not heard once where Obama has treated McCain, or his sacrifice to the country, with anything less than personal respect, no matter how sharp the clashes of opinion or point of view. I did not hear of him treating Bill or Hillary Clinton so, either. But I have not seen every one of his public comments, so if you know of one that does, let me know.
I believe this meets a moral standard called the Golden Rule.
I would say that at least the following prominent Republicans have treated Obama with such open and public personal disdain and contempt that I am ashamed for those who cannot see both the ill manners and the moral corruptness of their behavior: Fred Thompson, Rudi Guliani, Sarah Palin, and John McCain. I have personally heard them do this in the single most prominent venue, and in the name of all the members, of their party.
Nothing is as distasteful about the Republican Party, or the Conservative movement, of today, as the habit of treating a political adversary as a personal punching bag.
Moreover, the most morally corrupt thing about this practice is that it occurs in an atmosphere of inane sanctimoniousness among people who seem to believe that “values” are registered under their personal copyright and no one else’s.
Since so many of these people are Christian [I am not.], you would think at least some of them could tell the difference between a Christian and a Pharasee, and understand as Christians that they, too, are sinners before God, as is Obama, and must needs be humble in the face of that fact.
I have watched Obama the man as carefully as I can under the microscope of this campaign, whether it is standing up to testify of personal religious belief; interviewing informally with his wife and children; speaking to the public and the issues with a quality of rhetoric that would not have shamed either Lincoln or Douglas, and Jefferson or Adams; and I remain almost as puzzled as Someone75 about the paranoid parallel universe over here.
Almost, but not quite. Because I am certain that what is behind it is the shame of genuine, but unacknowledged, failure and the cold wind of genuine fear. But it is political failure and political fear, not the moral sort.
Your leaders have betrayed you, including John McCain. In 2004, they, and you, had as much political power as it is possible to have in American politics. They did nothing with it, and you never held them accountable. Not single Conservative agenda was advanced by them one jot. Why? Because to these leaders that agenda is mere words to which they long ago forgot the meaning.
How else could George Bush have just come out with the patent absurdity of warning European leaders to preserve the “free market” immediately after he has presided over the defacto nationalization of the banking system?
The fear is simple. Obama is not a dunce, nor has he forgotten the meaning of the views we share with him. This election will be as potent for him and us as 2004 could have been for you–as potent, in fact, as the elections of 1932 and 1964, both of which transformed this country. I have absolutely no doubt that this opportunity will not pass us by because we are too timid and too self-satisfied to take it.
And, if you do not have our agenda, that is something truly to be afraid of.
Excellent article!
I truly believe Obama counted on stealing this election but since we are onto ACORN, we just might have a fair election after all!
I believe McCain will win by a landslide, once all the fraud is cleared out.
You forgot to mention his Muslim cousin Odinga. In 2006 Obama traveled to Kenya to support the election of Odinga who vowed, if elected, to impose Sharia law.
Why is 5% of the McCain campaign about John McCain and 95% against Obama? As an independent, I found this election and the two candidates to be the most interesting and exciting one to be a part of in my life. I have looked into a wide variety of opinions and media like this one that I probably would never have even noticed before. This could have been such an incredible time to be in an American democracy.
However, in the last few weeks as the GOP began losing ground, the issues have turned to trivial and off-the-wall accusations instead of real-world, real-time debates. Really, this kind of fear mongering is more along the lines of a facist society, not a democratic one.
And by the way- the “main-stream media” is just that because it is the Main Stream-as in the majority of Americans- the majority that want the war to end, distrust the current administration and want negative/distorted mud slinging to stop.
Colin Powell’s endorsement of Obama did not come as a surprise to me.
Powell knew that his deputy Richard Armitage was the leaker in the Plame affair and yet he remained silent while Bush administration officials faced criminal indictment.
I would have been flabbergasted if Powell had done the right thing and supported the man who is clearly up to the job rather than the fool who thinks Iraq can be conceded to Al Qaeda and Iran without devastating consequences.
Just a bit on the Obama/Ayers connection:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xBlTdsnOh8
truthful (misnomer),
I don’t think you’ve been paying attention. Senator Obama’s political views are reflected by the people with whom he has associated. He has had many past associates who hate this country and want to shove their political views on the entire nation. Senator Obama has still not been even modestly vetted. He needs to be honest and open about his past. It is hopelessly obscured; the mainstream media have not done their jobs. If you read conservative sites, I am not the only one who feels this way.
His supporters have a silly habit of telling us that there is no problem; everything has been checked out. How stupid do they think we are! It simply won’t work.
Did Obama register as an “international” student at US colleges? If so, why the coverup?
Because Obama was a Kenyan citizen until he was 21, (look it up, it’s on his web site) did he register at Occidental College and Columbia University as an international student….as a Kenyan?
It would have been his right to do this, as he inherited this citizenship from his father, and it would have been to his advantage because the applicant pool from Kenya would not have had as many people with his elite prep school education.
It would have been a smart move on his part at the time and there’s nothing inherently wrong with it. The US applicant pool is much more competitive for these elite colleges.
Has anyone discussed this thoroughly? I know the college records are all locked up…but wouldn’t Americans want to know if he applied to the schools and registered under his foreign citizenship rather than as an American?
What’s wrong with this, in my view, is his secrecy and covering up his true history. His educated, elite followers would no doubt understand and approve of his applying and registering for college as a Kenyan citizen, while others would wonder why he felt he had to keep it a secret and go to great lengths to cover it up.
Aleena-
What are the chances that a reporter, anywhere in the world, would not scoop a career making story on Obama over the past year? Do you really think there is a conspiracy involving tens of thousands of reporters, including conservative ones like Fox News and their multi-million dollar budget? I think the odds are more likely that there is no story.
Yeah, I read many sites – here is a left wing one: http://www.jdunderground.com/thread.php?threadId=13377 McCain has Hagee, G. Gordon Liddy, sealed his POW record…blah blah So what? It’s all rubbish. McCain is not evil and Obama is not terrorist unless you are in a 5th grade recess argument. Every once in awhile I make a comment to vent my frustration, I don’t hope to change your view, perhaps you can broaden it to see beyond the fear.
Jake in Pittsburgh:
There are worse things to study than Marxism and political theory other than democracy. You surely don’t expect a well educated person to be ignorant of the theory behind communism and socialism, do you? Although, I might wager that you are yourself.
I know I’m going to get hammered for this, but I’ll say it anyway. A wise man can see the value (how ever little it may be) in alternatives. Communism has some good things to say in support of the common man. However, it’s wrapped in an ideology that is guaranteed failure, and thus we don’t use it for our government. I don’t want us to be a communist nation, nor does anyone else. But, it’s not 100% amoral evil devilspeak.
powell has been offered a position in washington.
bought.
sealed.
delivered.
To :9. Bill:
Wow. As a conservative, reading articles like this remind me why we’re going to get trounced in this election. Nice job, Ms. Shiver. Irrelevant and factually inaccurate issues. Thanks a lot.
Yet you fail to point out a single inaccuracy in Ms. Shiver’s article. You just did a democRAT smear job (drive-by media style) and left the room without providing any substantiation. You call yourself a conservative? Hah!!! You’re a drive-by troll with nothing in the tank except the Hussein Kool-Aid.
Imagine a contemporary politician who was only eight years old in September of 1963. A time when a Birmingham church was firebombed, killing four innocent little girls. Now let’s imagine that same politician meeting in the home of one of the Klansman who set the bomb. Does anyone think General Powell or the MSM would explain that away?
Excellent article! For any logical thinking person, all you have to do is connect the dots to see that Obama is an empty-suit socialist with extreme views and plans that are dangerous for our country. My greatest fear is that he is a “Manchurian Candidate” which is why this birth certificate thing is a big deal to me, too.
However, no matter how logical and clear the explanation about Obama’s troubling experience and associations, liberals are not going to want to hear anything bad about him.
What surprises me, though, is how so many liberals come to sites with conservative views to try to start fights. Why don’t you guys stay at Huffingtonpost.com, Moveon.org of DailyKos? Could it be that you’re tired of each other?
Obama is a con man and, unfortunately, he has conned many, many Americans. One thing I heard about people who have been fleeced by con men is that the victims still feel something for the person who did it to them. Apparently, they have a hard time accepting that the person that they thought they knew was capable of doing such a terrible thing to them. And when they look back, they could see that all the warning signs were there, but they refused to see them.
This is what is going on with liberals right now. They just can’t accept the truth about Obama. My problem with it, though, is that THEY WILL NOT BE THE ONLY ONES HURT BY OBAMA. OBAMA WILL RUIN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY WHICH ALSO AFFECTS ME AND MY LOVED ONES.
Thus, I am praying that more people wake up in time to vote McCain/Palin and help save the country from this obvious con man.
What can you say about a man who can bring together Americans who wanted to blow up young American soldiers while they had a dance, (not to speak of preachers who preached black racsism and hatred against Jews and America,) and a reputable patriotic general?
Who could do that?He must be the Messiah! Yay!
I think that a man’s charachter can be assessed by his behavior and that a man’s behavior reveals his values. Mr. Obama’s behavior; attending Rev. Wright’s church for so many years, keeping company with Mr. Ayers, refusing to disavow himself of these people and their positions, all speak to Mr. Obama’s charachter. He is a product of keeping company with people who have stated through their words and criminal actions that they “hate” America, to the point of murder. His own wife has made it crystal clear she “hates” her country. How can anyone, save those who themselves hate America, even consider electing this type of person to the highest office n the land? Obama’s most vocal supporters are ardent environmentalists, anti-Second Amendment advocates and others of similar kind who embrace socialism and seek to change America forever. Liberals, leftists and Democrats (basically the same thing nowadays) point to articles like this and belittle them. That is because they either don’t give one whit about charachter issues (not surprising considering who they put forth as Presidential candidates) or, deep down inside they know charachter counts and attempt to dismiss articles like this with disdain and arrogance. No one else matters to them except themselves and their agenda, and they will do whatever it takes to accomplish it. The truth is, if the mainstream propoganda machine, er, I mean media, actually delivered the truth and facts about Mr. Obama, he never would have been a serious candidate in the first place. Charachter, honor and integrity are everything, and especially needed in a leader. Mr. Obama is not a leader, he is a dictator in the making.
If I remember correctly, Colin Powell is also the man Barbara Walters mentioned in her book as having an affair with him while he was still married. What does that say about his judgment and character? As far as I’m concerned his endorsement is worth as much as the price of a cup of coffee.
hp:
That would be so convenient for you, wouldn’t it? Powell endorsed Obama because he was offered a position in Washington. Too bad Powell is retired. Is that the best you can come up with?
Obama is a disburbing character. He can lie without even thinking twice about it and then smear the person who dares to call him on it or ask him to clarify. He uses people for political purposes and then just tosses them away if they become an embarrassment to him later. He is advocate of class warfare and actually thinks that an unwanted pregnancy is a “punishment” that he doesn’t want his daughters to endure. There is nothing new or different about him, he is just another corrupt power hungry politician that just happens to lie a little more eloquently.
I don’t think he is even qualified to be a senator let alone the President. He is very bad news and I hope that America will not vote for him. If somehow he manages to buy this election, than I will pray for him and pray that I am wrong.
I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat but a true Independent who believes in facts and really believes in learning the lessons of our history.
So here is a simple fact for America -
1) During Ronald Reagan’s Presidency of 2 terms, between 1981-1989, we were at our economic best in a quarter of a century. We made the right choice in these 8 years as a country.
2) During George H. W. Bush Sr.’s Presidency of 1 term, between 1989-1993, we were at our economic worst in a quarter of a century. We made a huge mistake as a country but corrected it by keeping him in office for only 1 term.
3) During Bill Clinton’s Presidency of 2 terms, between 1993-2001, we were again at our economic best in a quarter of a century, even better than Reagan’s era. We made the right choice again in these 8 years as a country, despite his personal scandals.
4) Now, during George W. Bush Jr.’s Presidency of 2 terms, between 2001-this coming January 20, 2009; we have been at our economic worst in a quarter of a century, even worst than Bush Sr.’s era. We really made a huge mistake as a country on this one by not realizing that the apple really doesn’t fall very far from the tree. Yet we chose this apple again the second time around.
Now, really let this simple fact sink in America and take your time to think carefully this time around about how you want the direction of this country to go.
We made history with Reagan. We then made a mistake with Bush Sr. but corrected history by allowing him to only serve 1 term. We then made history again with Clinton, despite his personal scandals. Now, we have made 2 mistakes with Bush Jr. by allowing him to serve not once, but twice. So my last question to America is, guess which candidate shares the interests of both, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr.? I will let America answer this one. We are much, much smarter as a country to want to make history rather than make mistakes and to suffer yet again from our own mistakes by not using objectivity as our first and foremost agenda.
This Atheist Activest says Robert Hurtley just proved it i s sasy for a con man to con people as he has most certainly conned Hurtley.
ODUMA IS A RACIST, child.
and since,during the late 1950′s and early 1960′s, I put my physical welle being and my life on the line FOR Black Civil Rights,come call me a racist and I will kick your stupid punk ass! Nect CHILD, Oduam a has TERRORISTS and CROOKS for friends.
YOU CHILD, have been conned and YOU are TOO STUPID to know it!
Hi, Jennie.
I’m sure you’d want the record corrected: It wasn’t Powell.
I think you’re remembering another black, married man who Walters crowed about having an affair with. I can’t remember his name, but he might have been a congressman or someone with a good amount of power himself. Now deceased.
But I do agree with you that Powell’s lost all credibility.
The two-year Valerie Plame investigation finally did it for me. He knew all along it was one of his men, Armitage, who’d revealed her name and said nothing all during that time — wasting tax payer dollars and more importantly, dragging so many, especially Scooter Libby, through hell.
It shocked me to learn he’d have so little character.
His endorsement means nothing to me. That he would vote for Obama – and the reasons I’ve heard him give – only reinforce how feeble his judgment is. You’re definitely right on that.
At first, I was skeptical of Powell’s endorsement of Obama. I came up with any number of reasons why: political opportunism; hedging his bet by waiting until it looked like Obama had it in the bag; doing the superdelegate thing by trying to change the current dialogue; going with the brutha; etc….
When I thought about exactly what he said, I accept his explanation. Powell was never fully on board with Bush’s policies. He’s more of a moderate or an independent. Thus, Obama wouldn’t seem that bad to him. McCain is an old friend for whom he has much respect.
If you look at the message of his diplomat’s words, you find his concern for his friend McCain’s apparently diminishing faculties. He then sees Palin waiting in the wings, and doesn’t like the picture. In the eyes of a man who has focussed exclusively on foreign affairs, she is intolerable. I get that.
In my view, there are other things in life, and she’ll eventually get up to speed on national and international affairs. I find her accomplishments outweigh her lacks, as she has simply had to learn many other things that will also serve her well.
The clincher to me was when he said he would be voting for him, he didn’t urge others to do so, too. It was a Clintonesque endorsement: hardly full-throated.
Joseph Marshall – I read your entire post, and you make a fairly good argument, much of which many here will agree with. Make no mistake, we, too, are not happy with how the Pub Party (sounds like a bunch of fun guys – the pub party) seems to have made a hash of many things.
I hate how the “true conservatives” (the far right) push the moderates from the party. If you do not agree on every social belief with them, then you get called a RINO, and are dismissed. Thus the shrinking of the party, and the lack of good leadership.
That said, you fail to address the nature of the article, and the feelings the issue arouses in us here. Yes, it is probably too late to bring this all up, because the financial shake-up has driven everything but economics into the background. It IS still a valid issue, even if it doesn’t resonate with any but the Pubs. Talking about it makes sure they’ll vote, even if it won’t convince those who stand for nothing but their pocketbooks.
It does beg the question of you, however: Would you have been friends, or even just allies, with the types of shady guys who fill the background of Obama? I couldn’t. I can see a tangential relationship or two, like McCain has, but Obama’s past is just completely filled with these kind of guys.
As for the personal punching bag stuff… it works both ways. McCain has bent over backwards to avoid personally attacking Obama. He has called out his own party; sworn off Rev. Wright; faced down his own crowds; specifically avoided calling him a Socialist. You have to grant him that.
Obama, however, did flip off Hillary once, and he did say condescendingly, “You’re likable enough, Hillary.” Watch the Lipstick on a Pig video. Watch as Obama says it, how his middle finger lifts from his brow. Playground plausibile deniability stuff.
The surrogates, on the other hand, for both parties, use brass knucks. Those on the far left have made up those most venomous charges out of whole cloth. (E.g., saying that Trig is actually her daughter’s baby, fathered by an incestuous Todd. Ugh. Who says that about a handicapped baby?) The right may focus on the worst elements of the opposing candidate, but there is no need to make stuff up from whole cloth, as there is simply so much with which to work.
62. Jeff:
Now, those are facts. Well done. I hope everyone would read them.
Hey Robert Hurley, yeah I know you’re a troll and one shouldn’t feed the trolls, but I have a question for you: What do America haters see in Barack Obama, that they support him? What is it about America haters that they like Obama? Here’s a partial list: Ayers/Dohrn, Michelle Obama, HAMAS, Gaddafi, Rev Wright, Rashid Khalidi, Frank Marshall Thomas, the Europeans who love Obama, Odinga….
Mr Hurley, what do they see in Obama that they like?
Anyone who believes that the President is the primary force behind the economy, really doesn’t know enough to join the conversation.
The economy, before the Fannie/Freddie debacle, was not even remotely an issue. (albeit, the deficit had grown). Market forces and the legislators have a much greater impact on the economy than does the Executive branch of government.
Budgets are not passed without approval or amendment by Congress. One man does not spend our money, nor choose where to spend it. He also doesn’t make our energy decisions, raise the price of gasoline, hijack airplanes and drive them into our buildings. He responds to those things in an interactive way with our representatives…they project and respond to things happening around them.
NO economist worth an ounce of credibility gives substantial credit or blame for much of the economic status at any given moment in time to the President.
michelle obama…
you failed to mention that michelle obama knew bernadine dohrn and worked with her prior to marrying barrack.
in fact, barrack workrd with michelle and dohrn at the same law offices before his association with dohrns husband, bill ayers.
quite interesting coincidences, eh?
what are the odds in a city of millions?
Jabba left off his list, my favorite:
Loonie Farrakhan.
There’s a video of him recently telling his followers that the “messiah had spoken.” Yes, he used those words. And yes, it was pretty clear he was referring to Obama.
Now that’s alot of likin’.
What people don’t understand is why some of us are so against the current Republican ticket, but we have an obligation to fight against history of ever being repeated again. Many of us out here are not fighting for the Democratic campaign but are fighting against an ideology.
1) An ideology that completely mirrors the ideology of this past 8 years.
2) An ideology that recognizes the few while completely disregarding the masses.
3) An ideology that believes in taking military action against Iraq, an incident that is completely unrelated to 9/11, without solidifying our claims beforehand. In the present, we have found no evidence of weapons of mass destructions or a tie to Osama Bin Laden. The devastation of this war has cost us over 4,000 of our brave troops and counting, over 1/2 trillion dollars of taxpayer’s money and counting, and over 1 million Iraqi lives unrelated to the terrorists or insurgency.
Cost of the Iraq War — http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home
4) An ideology that still believes that the Iraq War is the right war on terrorism when the Afghanistan War should had been the right war on terrorism, where Osama Bin Laden actually was until he slipped into the mountains and into Pakistan’s territory now. The Iraq War also diverted our attention away from the Afghanistan War. We now have extended our resources in two separate places and have heightened our risk to our troops, our expenses, and creating another dilemma that will take quite some time to finalize. The Iraq War will not go away overnight and it is now our obligation to see it all the way through for God knows how many more years. This has also been the most unpopular war in the eyes of the world’s communities.
5) An ideology that believes that we are at our safest state since 9/11, when a recent terrorist plot was still trying to enter Great Britain’s airports with liquid explosives heading directly to us, but thankfully the plot was foiled. While in Afghanistan, the terrorists are regrouping and strengthening and we have recently suffered another high casualty to our troops yet again within this past month. We currently have the least amount of alliances in the world’s communities due to this unpopular Iraq War. True national securities are the ties that bind us to our world’s communities and the ties that bind them to us.
6) An ideology that vetted one of the most inexperience VP ticket in history, from foreign policies to national defense. If God forbids that anything happens to this President if elected and is stricken with illness, this VP will be running the country. For a more compelling look at Sarah Palin’s VP readiness, please look at these links below —
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loUHRv3ipLE
http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/election_2008/2008/09/30/palin_gaffes/
7) An ideology that believes in “the fundamentals of our economy are strong” while we are facing the highest mortgage foreclosure crisis, high unemployment rate, and the largest collapse of our financial infrastructures since The Great Depression of 1929.
This is an ideology that many of us in America are against. Whether this ideology is in the Republican or Democratic ticket is not the main issue but the fact is that America does not want to fall into another 4 more years of devastation. We cannot afford this anymore.
I wonder why “Jeff”-the-amazing-Astroturfing-O’bot-TROLL
has started to recycle his long-debunked, senseless posts.
Posts which were at PJM months ago.
Suddenly here yesterday 10:20pm, today 9:16am…?!?
Spraying T R O L L – B E – G O N E on the screen…
I find it fascinating that the media are capable of getting someone -anyone- elected as a messiah, even though his opinions are not shared by the majority of a country.
For me, as a European, these are obvious echoes from the past. I don’t think Americans would vote for a man who has anti-American friends, and for years listened to a racist anti-Semitic priest if the media made it an issue. It’s also scary that the very same people who created the economic crisis -Democrats- are allowed by the media to blame president Bush for it. Obviously Obama is no Hitler, he is near angelic compared to mr moustache man, but the way American democracy is failing is quite similar to the way German democracy failed. There too an outsider/insider was received as a messiah by the masses, while the media refused to ask awkard questions.
Having a mostly leftist (or rightwing) media is a liability, it distorts the democratic process. Again, Obama is no Hitler, I don’t wish to compare these two people, but the process which brought them to power has similarities.
Consider well what “daniel” has written.
It couldn’t be more important for us — at this time in our history — to listen to those who are able to see what’s before us with less jaundiced eyes than we. Less emotion. More wisdom.
Thank you, daniel.
daniel _ You’re right that the process is similar. Many of us here can see that. The question is simply, are there enough of us?
Kudos to Daniel #74
Bill and Truthful: You must have been sucking your thumb, sitting in the corner, while Obama was campaigning and “winning” the caucuses.
Jeff: It takes ten years for an economic phase to show results so, count back and get the facts straight.
I hope that all who read this article will advice others that there’s no other choice but to defeat the Democrats in November. If the thought of a Democrat House, Senate, White House, that they can rework our Constitution and restructure the Supreme Court at their will to make the USA a Socialist country like those in Europe, doesn’t make you shake like a leaf or feel like wetting your pants, then you better get ready for the worst years of your life.
Remember these words:
“All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent”.
- Thomas Jefferson
The function of socialism is to raise suffering to a higher level.
-Norman Mailer
“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need.”
-Karl Marx
Jeff:
That must be a record – the exact same post at least 4 times by my count (maybe the editors can drag up the old posts), to four different articles by four different authors… Wow! Any idea when we will see some original thought?
Joe Marshall:
Thanks for responding – looks like Marc Malone said much of what I would have had I responded earlier (and said it better), but I hope your not calling me out as “sanctimonious”. I don’t recall lecturing anyone on values, and even though I am Christian, I don’t use my faith as club on non-Christians.
With respect to Obama’s moral compass, there is a jarring disconnect (for me) between the genial, erudite, church going, God fearing Obama, and the one that two times(?) voted against born alive infant protection act. Even his politically expedient colleagues in the Senate understood where to land on that issue (with the appropriate constitutional protections for legal abortions) I’ll never understand that one. From my perspective it supercedes the golden rule.
I don’t live in fear – but I will have a healthy dose of skepticism until such time as his actions match his words.
you are a lyin moron
a certified, authenticated birth certificate was provided
medical records were released ONLY palin did not release!
College transcripts from Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard
are irrelevant as is Senior thesis written at Columbia
and confidential its the LAW
nothing about Joe is proected information
Daniel; Very good comments,thank you.Though you did make a few obi’s lose their rag.
The Hitler comparison is fair,you can include Lenin,Stalin,Mao etc using the same techniques.
All of the above were great frauds and that’s why Obama ranks up there with them.
Obama is probably by far the greatest FRAUD put on earth for a long time.
Remember in the earlier days there was no TV and radio was still a baby.The media was mostly newspapers and there was no instant communications like today. News could take weeks to get around the world and of course it was mostly out of date when you read it anyway.One important thing too,in those days there WERE ethical media for the most part in the world.
People did warn about Hitler,Stalin and the rest and true information did get out into the world as a whole. It was still stifled in Germany and Russia and the people there realy had no idea what was going on, both inside their countries and without.
Today we have a media that is stifiling the truth about Obama to an extent that borders on criminality. Foreign media take most of their ‘feeds’ from the worse of the US media and merrily reprint whatever rubbish and lies are pushed their way.Abject laziness for the most on the overseas media who appear never to check anything.
Heaven forbid that O/B wins, but tell me,how are the media going to explain themselves for backing them hook,line and sinker when the country collaspes in a big heap of….
OBAMA IS A FRAUD AND HAS BEEN FROM DAY ONE!
mccain had 4.5 hours to Unstifle the truth
and the PUBLIC was for OBAMA !
they saw the truth
mccain is not suited to be president
does not hav the character
Re: 82 nick
Sorry nick, you are on the wrong site for your hateful drivel.Try NYT or WaPo etc.
Better still!
Take two asprins with a large glass of vodka and call me in the morning.
Jeff 72
Few facts not quite correct. There were WMD listed in the Dulfur (UN) report, Including chemical and biological. Just last month the final shipment of yellow cake (uranium ore)was sent from Iraq to US, one of many totaling something like 5 to 7 tons. The loud media chanting against Bush overrode any mention of this. Ms Palin has 12 years of executive Govm’t experience, and ran the family business. Obama and Biden do not come close to this record. John McCain does not have that much expeerience either, but has much more command experience than the two Dems. Mr Obama could not obtain a security clearance with his record of associates and drug use. Terrorists in Afganistan are being funded by Iran and supported by outsiders. A lot of them are the foriegn fighters driven out of Iraq. That is the primary escalation of the Afgan war. The Pakistani bomber interviewed this week on national tv, caught in Afganistan before he detonated, said he was one of many Pakistanis recruited and trained in Pakistan by religous leaders there. This is the continuation of the 1000 year religous war against the “non believers”. Find out how “Black Jack” Pershing got his name and some of this will make a little more sense. Bush’s domestic policy has sucked, but McCain wants to change that and shrink the Govm’t as much as possible. I wish him luck and good hunting.
Obama still leads twiddle dum and the 2 times corrupt, book burning twiddle dee
bye
The late Alinsky, a trench-warfare socialist who despised American capitalism, advised community organizers like Obama to “laugh at the enemy” to provoke “irrational anger.”
“Ridicule,” he said, “is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also, it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage.”
At another rally in Nevada, Obama called on the crowd of about 1,500 to join him in sharpening their elbows against McCain and his supporters. “I want you to argue with them and get in their faces,” he said, in a naked attempt to “fan hostilities” in the tightening race, something Alinsky also advised from his bag of agitation tricks.
Obama doesn’t look or talk like a radical. He speaks in measured tones and is rarely seen out of business attire. That, too, is borrowed from Alinsky’s playbook. Don’t scare the middle class, he guides urban revolutionaries in his 1970s manual “Rules For Radicals” (which he dedicated to mankind’s “first radical, Lucifer”).
Instead, look like them, talk like them, act like them.
And work for radical change from the inside — “like a spy behind enemy lines,” as Obama said in his first memoir. He wrote it before entering politics, while still working with hard-left Alinsky groups and training street agitators known as “community organizers.”
From: http://www.sodahead.com/blog/16757/how-obama-applies-saul-the-red-alinskys-rules/
How many people think ‘the messiah’ is about 300 years too soon?
wpb – Thanks for the compliment.
Gosh, this sounds like a whine fest, without the cheese. For goodness sakes. I can’t believe this discussion. You are talking about who he’s knows or went to the Gym and worked out with? Come now? Tell me about some people McCain knows? Tell me about some people Bush knows? Tell me about some people Clinton knows? Tell me about some people Bush Sr. knows? Tell me about some people Reagan knows? Tell me about some people Nixon knows? Tell me about some people Kennedy knows? Tell me about some people you know? You sound like babies? Oh Obama knows a muslim whine, whine…Oh Obama’s pastor is Gay and don’t like white people…whine, whine. Oh Obamas work out instructer is from Saudi Arabia, whine, whine…Oh Obama grade school teachers name was Ali Babi Bushar…whine, whine…Please get a grip to reality. You actually think that Obama is a member of Taliban/Al Qaeda…really? You think he’s some type of extremist? Come on who started the first extremist group? And who did that group target? And who are current members today? Seriously it’s idiotic to think that America will vote in a president or even have a candidate with ties to Taliban or terrorist…Get a strong grip..Get a G.I. Joe with the kung-fu grip. Idiots.
Oh and by the way, I like waffles to and hate to be disturbed when I’m eating.
When its all over do the losing Obamrites get their money back? I am sure the many millions are mostly stashed in a safe place away from prying eyes.
Have Husseins cronies paid their accounts with all the TV and print media outlets that are backing him?
I have to agree with Alexia Burton 87 about it being far too soon for the ‘messiah’, lets make it 500 years though. And that might be too soon!
Margaret. How are you? I see that you are blind. But I would like to help you see. I know your fear. I know it’s killing you inside, but are you in a position that you can run for president? Are you in a position to be Mayor..Are you even in a position to be in charge of fries? No pun intended. But you would have to believe that the entire Democratic cabinet is Muslim, because they are backing him too. So help me?
Why did it take 1 day for it to come out that Joe the plumber doesnt have a plumbing license, but we cannot get an official birth certificate for Obama. Shouldn”t that be public record?
It is clear that Obama endorsed and compaigned for his relative Odinga in Kenya. When he lost the election his party, Obama’s tribal affiliation had a royal rotten radical tantrum. It resulted in a 1000 people dead and 800 christian churches damaged or destroyed including one burned to the ground with families in it. Did Obama disavow this group and say this is not the kind communist cousin I thought I knew?
Not only that but- the reason he doesn’t show his birth certificate is because his actual Full name is Barack Hussein Adolf Ghadafy Attila Richard Simmons Obama, his “protective” vest is actually rigged to explode, the campaign money he collects goes to arming the 10,000 extremists led by Ayers that live in a cave under his house and the working title of his next book is: “Why I hate America- the only place on earth where you can publish two bestselling biographies of yourelf, be the subject of a year’s worth of media attention globally and still have people say they don’t know who you are.”
Once again we are faced with picking the lesser of 2 evils in voting to fill the highest office in our land. The American public has been so hosed by politicians that it is ridiculous. Thanks to Bush (the war) and Barney Frank, Dodd, Pelosi, et al including Republicans (who caused the current economic disaster and subsequent Wall Street bail out) the National Debt is beyond belief. Now Obama wants working middle class America to fund his Global Poverty Tax Act of 2007 (S.2433) to the tune of an estimated $845 Million (.7% GNP). The funds will go for foreign aid and will be dispersed by the UN. It has already been passed by the House and is quietly languishing in the Senate until after this election. Never heard of it? Most people haven’t. Please Google it or see this link: http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-global-tax-proposal-up-for-senate-vote/ Why are we working, taxpaying Americans being taken to the cleaners AGAIN to help other countries when we have millions of our OWN people, the poor, disabled, elderly, victims of natural disasters that desperately need our help??? Why isn’t the media telling us about this?
What about:
-Palin’s husband belonging to that organization that wants to leave the Union.
-McCain calling his wife a c___?
-McCain changing his position on many, many issues in the past 8 years?
This is nice to bs about in here where we read and think but lets see a plan to get this out to the voters we count on to make a difference. I talk to ppl daily and am amazed as much with what average voters don’t know about the process and the candidates period as I am the coverup of obamas closet allies. This is an I,Me, Mine country, everyone wants someone else to think for them and the liberal socialists will gladly do that if we let them. It is hard to fight billionaire liberals that own the media folks. Talk to as many ppl as you can every day.
Its so funny how much everyone is swayed by these blogs. You guys dont realize that Obama has teams of “professional commentators” that sit here and pretend to have switched from Hillary or McCain to his side? Everyone voting for Obama is simply a sheep who fell for a beatifully choreographed Hollywood production.
Baaa Baaaa, Cant wait to laugh at you all when you realize you had no idea who you voted for
Hypothetical:
1)I live next door to you for 10+ years
2)I have been known to associate with a criminal element (you can choose any category of felony you would like)
3) I have been known to associate with individuals that have been known to have set bombs off in the US (you decide who I tried to kill with them…take your own choice)
4) You know the church I belong to for those 10 years breeds hatred of (white and/or black) people.
5) Has a definitive hatred of America and its policies.
6)If you hired me to take care of your $60Million dollars, wouldn’t you take and interest in learning who I am and what I am about? Wouldnt you want to know prior to giving me that kind of cash?
Will you let me watch your kids? Will you come to dinner with me and the wife(provided she is on parole at the time you ask)
Would you like me to now RUN THE ENTIRE FREE WORLD?
Do you not want your president to be a man of honesty and integrity? Do you not want to be proud of his/her particular history of service?
Integrity, class, honor and doing the right thing are easy to portray and do when you are speaking with someone face to face in the short term.
It is much harder to live that code through a lifetime when the only one you think is watching is yourself. God is watching.
Not even a week after the president election the blond topblogger from Sweden, Linda Ekholm speaks out loud about Obama!
And I really believe this is truly written by heart. Scary!
http://www.finest.se/userBlog/?uid=30701&beid=1040511
Obama is a leftist who wants to spend other’s money, those who work hard, in taxes first, (This pays for his salary and the other government workers) and then wants to give that money, free to those who are doing so well. this is socialism. Period. It doesn’t prosper a country in the long run because it pads the pockets of government workers and “enables” people who are not “doing well” to just stay there and live off the dole (Of coursed they can vote and they will just keep voting for politicians who will keep the dole a’coming!! The “Spread the Wealth” comment was pure leftist truth that snuck out of his mouth (i.e. No teleprompter was there when he talked to Joe the Plumbmer!!) Remember, another comment he slipped to make (i.e. Truth) was that he did not want his daughters to be punished with a child if they get a unexpected pregnancy. And Obama was outraged over the murder of this one Doctor, which I Do NOT Condone, but no outrage over the unborn babies killed by their mothers and this Dr. in the 3rd Trimester. I think we are lost in a nation that “protects” dumb dogs, not creatures “made in God’s image. I have nothing against dogs except they are dumb. They are not creatures with a Spirit of wonder like human beings have been endowed by GOD!! God did not become a dog to die for dog’s “sins” Wake up America. We are a nation that loves our money, dogs and fat, easy life style more than unborn Human beings. To all that will retire in 10-20, kiss your Social Security goodbye and expect to wait 10 years for “medical care” if this dumb promise of Government Healthcare that is passed… Why, because we, as a nation have aborted 30 million?? or more US citizens, that never made it out of the womb, to be raised to work hard and prosper here. No we killed them and imported illegal, Yes, Illegal aliens to come in do the menial work, that yes, we should have let our “potential” kids do, to start at lower jobs and work themselves up. I am in the Medical field and I see what a huge amount of recent immigrants both legal and illegal are doing in demanding free social services, yet they have not contributed much into our system. America, we are gone!! If you are not born again, saved by Faith in Jesus Christ, you have no hope. I would recomment you open your heart and admit you are a sinner and turn to Him and be saved. For we are entering the most dire of times. This artificial prosperity program that first gave easy money to the sub-prime mortgage people and now we are flash firing into the economy with easy, borrowed money and then all these social programs to tax hard working Americans to death… These programs will not work… It is the end of the great country…. Look up, those saved for our Redemption draweth Nigh. Glory, honor and praise to the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ who will soon be coming to set the world right. Best to surrender your heart NOW to Him and not later. Take Care of your heart!! D.P
my, my my,it is plan to see thta everybody is still devided, so you are invited to see round2
Obama vs. Massingale
Ok ,Mr. President are you ready for round 2, because now the people want to read your 1900 pages of Bill before it is passed into law.
Henry Massingale
FASC CONCEPTS
for main page click on this link below
http://www.fascmovement.mysite.com page1 american dream on google.com
Wow, I believe if I could I would put the 250 million people in to my site, with one thing to say, Wow… I have stayed out of all these issues for over 30 years and because of failures, mine and government, Im peed off because I have never worked so hard in my life because of my love for a women, and to see this and this country go to the craper , from the date of 9/11/2001 is mind boggling. You see I dont fight over the health care cost, its chump change,let the Democrats and Republicans have this dollar, Im tring to get Officals of Government to see the value of what is in their own back yard, the people. That the investment of real dollar to the people will reboot and restore America.
Henry Massingale
FASC CONCEPTS
for main page click on this link below
http://www.fascmovement.mysite.com page1 american dream on google.com
i do feel that we have done it in part but not in whole, FASC Concepts and a lot of people Christain and other fayiths are putting aside their diffrences and putting their faith into themself to help build their ideas into http://www.fascmovement.mysite.com and toptentogo.mysite.com.
and this is why,
Please allow us to share with you what we wish to use this health care forum for, only in part because it is very big and these issues may not be made clear at this moment.
What is important to remember, these insurance companies need to merge as one and take control of this issue of cost that starts from the builders of of medications, and items used in treatment of the sick and injured. If there is a kind of sir. charge that puts the cost of a,lets say a needle from whole sale of a $ 1.00 to a cost of $2.00, this is a double of the price for profit against the health care troubles we face.
Health Care Companies can help build this United Health Care Forum or sit back and let Government Officials build laws to govern them.
What we wish to show the people is that through this United States effort of this Health Care Reform Stimulus Package we offer is a building block to show why this country is in trouble.
1st. The laws against God by United States Laws…
2nd. The Laws against Country through our United States Flag.
3rd. The Boycott of The Arabic Drug Empire.
4th. The Great China Wall.
5th. The Mini warehouse factories, to strategically place jobs through out this country to cut gas over head and free our country from the Arabic oil companies.
6th. To build the most powerful movement in a anti war / crime prevention of forum that will secure people and the National Security Of The United States, within this health care dollar.
7th. This being built by people and not through new created Laws Of Control. Will force our Government Officials to work for the people and the secret is what we offer through the Federal Act Security Card, as it merges with this Health Care Forum. As this choice of freedom of a tax forum for health care cost and the freedom of choice of a payment forum through a Health Care Insurance Companies. The building block is so power full through this dollar that through this United Health Care Forum, this system that failed within Government Supervision will now be in control by a supervision of people who see issues that I am not allowed to see.
What I wish to share is that all of the issues I do see and is listed on the net and at our website is the building block that will secure or country from our enemies and bring back the Made In The USA. These things I see is what I have seen for over 40 years of my life and as a child I was deeply touched by the first Laws against God and Country, and I say to you this was our first steps as a Country headed for failure.
This little bit of input is apart of a SCHEMATIC part 2, and it is by far a honest approach to our troubling issues of the 21 st. century within America.
To put it simple on one issue, the Laws against God and Country, Officials of Government and the Courts did not have permission to do such a order.
We are at war against a Drug Empire.
Respect Of the Wall Of China to our west, the wisdom is a part of documented history.
The FASC Card gives back a chance to so many people to build for the tomorrow for their children of poor families.
FASC Concepts is a strategically building block to show the world that we as a people are
{ read-ing } ourself, so that all of which we stood for will once again be and as a people we will live on.
Henry Massingale
http://www.fascmovement.mysite.com look for page1 american dream official / google.com & yahoo
To see the true Health Care Tax forum you must stop thinking in 3-D,This multi tax forum is against a $100 Trillion Dollar system.. …
To force pay into another system of failures within Health Care Insurance Groups.
This economy will not balance with this concept of a tax forum against the Health Care System. The issue of how to force pay into this system of Health Care may have worked but I am still troubled over the progressive tax forum within this Bill. It covers so many items and Countries that it only forces the system to adjust itself. In some areas, increases against the people and the troubled economy, and in other areas, less effects will be felt.
But this is my big problem, Government Officials seek help and they are to proud to ask us, “the true working force of Government.” It is understandable they have failed the People and within the United States Of America all we ask is to see us as who we are and not try to bring us into this world of the intellectual. I guess our Prime Directive is that of Star Trek, so it must be understood that for millions of people we are just as happy as can be making $13.00 per hour and we have no interest in this world of politics, and how to be a Enstine. Government Officials must understand that there is a level of people within different parts of this Country, that seek to be only that they find to make them happy.
As for this economy well, it is said that the U.S.A. Arms Division has created enough arsenal to destroy every last creature in the world 2 times over,built with tax dollars. This would be funny if not for the irony of it. And now as time has passed Government Officials keep failing. Before 9/11 all the way to today.
As it is in a world of a system, when employees continue to fail, one or two things happen, one; you get fired, two; if you see into a person a good, then it is political correct to implement a penalty or roll back in pay. But this implement of penalty is more favored in the course of action in the Federal Employment World. So how to fix the economy and unite it with the Health Care issue. It would be in the Countries best interest to implement a 10% per cent penalty against every State, County and Government Official within this Matrix of failures. Hey what is that old saying, what is good for the Goose is good for the Gander. I am serous about this, it is past due to show that our Government Officials they have failed, their system failure reaches into this world of warnings that they brush aside as if the information is not worthy noting. From Pearl Harbor to 9/11/2001 to 3/07/2010 of our tax system and Health Care Reform. This 10% per cent penalty should go into the Health Care Forum.
The big problem that Government Officials have is that they have no street credit. President Obama still has some but if he does not take his family and step away from these dueling Parties, that fight over this Health Care Dollar, and stand with Us he will lose all credit from the streets to the county.
President Obama, I would say to you, you have one last chance to regain the hopes and dreams of the American People. To reach out in a concept that states, if there is 250 million people in trouble because of these failures, I would give all my money to them and then I would say to all that I gave money to, “I have no money left, would you all please give me $1.00 back and then I would have $250. million dollars to start all over again.”
As for this $100,trillion dollar in site………….
Results 1 – 10 of about 685,000 for net worth of medicine development industry
Just to show how deep this Health Care Tax split petition reaches. The term split petition is used because of the Tax factor plan that is not seen because of the intent not to show a capital Taxing of close to a $100 trillion dollar package, a yearly system income, not profit…..
Some have stated that I clam to have spiritual in site or something of the sort. I assure you this is not true, so when I state that I asked God to help, it is my way of saying hey Bobby show me how to work on theses Chevy engines. But I do thank you for the consideration. Consider me a cross of Jethro Bodine from the Beverly Hill Billies with my 10th. Grade education and Vin Diesel from the move Pitch Black.
So drop on by and see page 100 at our site and follow the blue pill link
Health Care within a moral value, is to ,
{ GIVE LIFE TO HOPE WHERE THERE IS NONE }
Henry Massingale
FASC Concepts in and for Pay It Forward
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please take the time and visit all my new friends on the net and if you wish to post with FASC Concepts you will be most welcomed. So join us and share your ideas as one in one voice.
Is There A Constitutional Infringement of a Moral Value for Health Care vs. The People
Part 1: 3/22/2010: { recapped for short input}
I had to wait for this Bill to be passed in order to show the Republican Party, GOP and FRC Action that it is the voice of the people that guides the destiny of this Country. I guess you could say I needed them to get out of the way so that the last Comic Standing will be FASC Concepts and we do not need the peoples money to assist the needs of the Peoples Rights.
As predicted , the first stages of the Health Care Bill was passed. Why, you ask ? It is because people wish to be seen for their in put of a view and not unite. What is lost is respect with in a concept of { Freedom Of Choice } to be a part of this system or not, with in this Health Care Force Pay Matrix.
What is offered by FASC Concepts is the Freedom Of Choice, because we feel it is unconstitutional to force pay into the failures of Health Care Insurance Companies and then Tax that money. As you can see our elected officials are paying little attention to the public. As I reach out to my computer and I knock , knock, knock on the screen, and I say is there any body out there?
You will not find any lies posted that is not clarified…..
You can find the details on p23. At the link site for http://www.thebluepill.mysite.com on page 100 at the main site.
FASC Concepts in and for Pay it Forward covers the web see why we have become the Largest web site in the United States, join us in a trickle effect on p23 the blue pill link, ?
on google , yahoo, and aol http://www.fascmovement.mysite.com
To show the people of the United States that there is a plan to cover the sick and the poor, but to get Government Officials to see is a concept alone.
To help cover the sick and the poor is a FASC Concept that states that to build a Health Care Forum within our Government Institution is a Peoples right to do so and this is Protected Under the Constitution as a Human and Civil Right. So in plan words if the poor and the sick could only afford to pay $5.00 to $10.00 per month this would to bring a balance toward the broken tax system, to add up this number 32 million to 100 million sick and poor people x $5.00 per month. This will place back into the system $116 million $to 500 million dollars per month. The cause and effect of this will reduce the purposed Health Care Tax Forum, to bring about a reduced effect so not to a over burden a system. Take my faith in this and almost all the poor and sick would be happy to pay in and help rebuild the United States failed tax system. Also To bring about a balance of trust lost between the people and Officials.
Under a Federal Health Care Group built by my friends and I. {You see the poor, as you see them}, as for them they see them self not poor, but of a different race of people and environment and have faith it that which was in the past that so many do not have a clue of what God and Country is all about.
Will be up dated today 3/25/2010
Issue 1.
FASC tax and pay in Forum, A Concept to help the Poor and Sick.
FASC Concepts of a guideline of income and a fair payment for the poor to the rich.
CLASS INCOME MONTHLY PAYMENTS
{A} formatt for people making up to $29000.00 per year, EST of monthly cost up to $40.00 per month
{B} up to $19000.00 per year, EST of monthly cost up to $30.00 per month
{C} up to $12000.00 per year, EST of monthly cost up to $20.00 per month
{D} from 0.00 income to $9000.00 per year / cost up to 0.00 to $10.00 per month
MIDDLE CLASS TO THE POOR
{A} {B} {C} {D} classification based on one person If married policy can be devided or stayed. These are concept numbers to open the mind…………..
Submitted by Marh Hidabrand,asked would it not be better to build on , instead of droping off of the {A}{B}{C}
{E} up to $49000.00 per year,EST of monthly cost up to $50.00 per month
{F} up to $59000.00 per year,EST of monthly cost up to $60.00 per month
{G} up to $69000.00 per year,EST of monthly cost up to $70.00 per month
{H} up to $79000.00 per year,EST of monthly cost up to $80.00 per month
{I} up to $89000.00 per year,EST of monthly cost up to $90.00 per month
To balance a payment plan to fit within the bills, within a home……….{J} {K} {L} {M} exc………………….
Need to balance to stay around $200.00 for above income and below $300.00 for the rich ?
The same incentives apply if husband and wife wish to pay separate.
The same incentives apply for the poor, even if all they can pay is $3.95 per month. No one is cut out of the rebuilding of the inter structure of Health care and the USA.
The money is a investment into our further and is to be tax free, just the money paid in.
You may ask: what about Medicare ? {is it not possible to merge Medicare into this concept ?}
With in this movement the {A} {B} {C} {D} will remove health care from a company so that a company can see into the building of other projects and put people back to work.
With the formatted goal of the use of this new concept, to form a more perfect Union within the design of the Health Care program offered, we submitted the up to 2 Trillion dollars per year. This will build a safety net / a buffer to maintain balance.
The billion dollars per year is at a high EST. based at $10.00 x 250 million people. As you can see the numbers above suggest a very high in pack of funds, we can not project a high in pack because dollars are not a constant.
at 100 000 000 million people x 10= $1 000 000 000 billion low ball figures
1 billion x 4 weeks = $4 billion dollars
4 billion x 12 months = $48 billion dollars
so at 100 000 00 the numbers would have to increase to $40.00/per month x $40.00
$40.00 x 48 000 000 000 = $1 220 000 000 000 per year at 100 000 000 people
In the US the progression is:
Hundred – 100
Thousand – 1,000
Million – 1,000,000
Billion – 1,000,000,000
Trillion – 1,000,000,000,000
Quadrillion – 1,000,000,000,000,000
and the interfacing of the FASC Card http://www.federalactsecuritycard.mysite.com
We need to see into the inter structure of the Presidents concept,without this right we can not help,no matter how much we wish to. It would seem that if you do not play follow the leader on just one concept ,that the door is not really open.
We offer the following concepts and we believe that it will be one that all can respect.
FASC Concepts of a guideline of income and a fair payment for the poor to the rich.
This is a concept to build on…….a idea, a way to bring life to hope where there is none.
CLASS INCOME MONTHLY PAYMENTS
{A} format for people making up to $29000.00 per year, EST of monthly cost up to $40.00 per month
{B} up to $19000.00 per year, EST of monthly cost up to $30.00 per month
{C} up to $12000.00 per year, EST of monthly cost up to $20.00 per month
{D} from 0.00 income to $9000.00 per year / cost up to 0.00 to $10.00 per month
MIDDLE CLASS TO THE POOR
{A} {B} {C} {D} classification based on one person If married policy can be divided or stayed. These are concept numbers to open the mind…………..
Submitted by Marh Hidabrand,asked would it not be better to build on , instead of dropping off of the {A}{B}{C}
{E} up to $49000.00 per year,EST of monthly cost up to $50.00 per month
{F} up to $59000.00 per year,EST of monthly cost up to $60.00 per month
{G} up to $69000.00 per year,EST of monthly cost up to $70.00 per month
{H} up to $79000.00 per year,EST of monthly cost up to $80.00 per month
{I} up to $89000.00 per year,EST of monthly cost up to $90.00 per month
To balance a payment plan to fit within the bills, within a home……….{J} {K} {L} {M} exc………………….
Need to balance to stay around $200.00 for above income and below $300.00 for the rich ?
The same incentives apply if husband and wife wish to pay separate.
The same incentives apply for the poor, even if all they can pay is $3.95 per month. No one is cut out of the rebuilding of the inter structure of Health care and the USA.
The money is a investment into our further and is to be tax free, just the money paid in.
You may ask: what about Medicare ? {is it not possible to merge Medicare into this concept ?}
With in this movement the {A} {B} {C} {D} will remove health care from a company so that a company can see into the building of other projects and put people back to work.
With the formatted goal of the use of this new concept, to form a more perfect Union within the design of the Health Care program offered, we submitted the up to 2 Trillion dollars per year. This will build a safety net / a buffer to maintain balance.
The billion dollars per year is at a high EST. based at $10.00 x 250 million people. As you can see the numbers above suggest a very high in pack of funds, we can not project a high in pack because dollars are not a constant.
at 100 000 000 million people x 10= $1 000 000 000 billion low ball figures
1 billion x 4 weeks = $4 billion dollars
4 billion x 12 months = $48 billion dollars
so at 100 000 00 the numbers would have to increase to $40.00/per month x $40.00
$40.00 x 48 000 000 000 = $1 220 000 000 000 per year at 100 000 000 people
In the US the progression is:
Hundred – 100
Thousand – 1,000
Million – 1,000,000
Billion – 1,000,000,000
Trillion – 1,000,000,000,000
Quadrillion – 1,000,000,000,000,000
and the interfacing of the FASC Card http://www.fascmovement.mysite.com
We need to see into the inter structure of the Presidents concept,without this right we can not help,no matter how much we wish to. It would seem that if you do not play follow the leader on just one concept ,that the door is not really open.
We offer the following concepts and we believe that it will be one that all can respect.
A FASC Concept, Children should be covered by moms or dads coverage at no extra cost. I once heard that their was a saying that is within the Christian world, it is in the best of man that through a concept of God, that He smiles on those who help the poor. Now this is your faith, as shared with people.
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