Lust for Blood: The Truth About Vampire Criminals
No one expected ex-con Roy Gutfinski to stay out of trouble once he got out into the world. Covered in facial tattoos and body modifications designed to make him look inhuman, Gutfinski, who had legally changed his name to Caius Veiovis, had little hope for entering mainstream society. So it shocked no one to find him in jail again, this time accused of participating in a vicious triple homicide intended to stop witnesses from testifying against a high-ranking Hells Angels member named Adam Lee Hall. Gutfinski was an easy pick for someone putting together a crew for a crime like this. He is a vampire and a Satanist.
Roy Gutfinski once did 7 1/2 years for an assault in which he and his underage girlfriend vampirized a 16-year-old girl:
Caius Veiovis, then known as Roy Gutfinski, served almost 7 1/2 years in prison in Maine for charges including elevated aggravated assault after he and his 16-year-old girlfriend cut a teenager’s back with a razor and kissed as they licked the blood. The 1999 injury required 32 stitches to close.
The Kennebec Journal reported Gutfinski claimed to be a vampire and a Satan worshipper. His name was changed while in prison.
Contempt is at the root of our most horrid crimes — contempt for society, morality, ourselves, and our own higher natures. We live in a society that teaches its children to be contemptuous of their fellow Americans, to despise our traditions, and to tear down the moral foundations on which our nation is built.
Author Colin Wilson once observed that cannibalism is the ultimate expression of contempt. It represents total victory and domination of the victim. A person is not just murdered, but consumed and excreted in the ultimate act of dehumanization. But cannibalism is only one expression of this scorn for life. Unfortunately much more common, but fortunately not always fatal, is blood fetishism and the “vampire lifestyle” which has played a central role in some of recent history’s most sensational crimes.
Blood fetishism is considered a paraphilia but in most cases it actually refers to “vampire lifestylers” – people who adopt alternate vampire personae with such gusto they attempt to live as vampires in all ways, including becoming nocturnal and drinking blood. Olga Hoyt’s near legendary Lust for Blood served as my introduction to the world of blood drinkers. Later, while pursuing my degree in comparative religion, I worked on a project about modern vampire mythology where I came across Jeff Guinn’s Something in the Blood, which was a kind of ethnography of blood drinkers. In both those books I saw a pattern develop that holds true of every crime involving vampirism I’ve seen since.
Male “vampires” tend to be sexual sadists who derive pleasure from dominating others. They seek out partners who are easy to manipulate or will play along with their sado-masochistic fantasy life. Females often claim to have a history of sexual abuse and use bloodletting as a punishment or payment for sexual activity. Both frequent forums, clubs, or groups where they can find others who share their interests, and, unsurprisingly, drug use is often involved.
In Something in the Blood a woman calling herself Cayne Presley was interviewed. She told Guinn that she often traded sex for blood, but never took money. At one point the young woman married a 67-year-old man who let her drink his blood.
He reportedly died less than a year later.
As Chris Rock once said:
Whatever happened to crazy? What, you can’t be crazy no more? Did we eliminate crazy from the dictionary?
Anyone who opposes capital punishment should be forced to familiarize themselves with cases like this.
This is about as likely as any supporter of late term abortions being forced to watch the actual procedure. BTW: I advocate broad publishing of this procedure so that the uninformed may decide for themselves.
With regard to murderous psychopaths, I recommend we dispose of them in human-rated garbage disposals in supermax prisons. This will ensure that humanity’s judgment of their legacy is to dispose of them with the excrement of the dregs of society. Drug them previously as you wish. If you believe in god, then that judgement will follow that of us.
They’re not crazy: The banality in evil which they would that, the larger world with them also, embrace, is in common use in politics, having to do with confounding mere wordy notions, with any true actualization in our present plane of reality.
“We need to have a real job-creation policy.”, or in any variation.
Well, no more than the rancher can get milk from a bull is it in government to create productive jobs. What government is all about and is capable of, and will do, was laid out in all its disadvantages over judges, by Samuel the king maker, in consideration of Israel’s first king—in a word, governments take, . . . a government is composed of founding documents, laws, and people who take. No government creates productive jobs—it taxes or takes; if government were capable of anything else, it would then do that also, but it’s not in government to do anything else.
“We need to care for the health of our people.”
Well, in the first place and above all, it is the individual or parent who cares for his own health, and if not, no government can stop that person from eating a couple of more cream puffs—it’s not in government to be able to so do, . . . the kind of thing which so far as anyone knows, was begun in the schools of oratory, and which was taught as pablum for the populace, . . . nor do I intend that, politics and centers of education are the only arenas in which confusion of language is practiced, . . .
Although those people may think about vampires and talk about vampires and fantasize that, they might wish to be vampires—were such a vaporous fantasy at all susceptible of realization—it is of nature, not in them to be vampires—they merely ape and mistake the banal and common confounding of senseless and destructive use of language for reality, but taken to an extreme which politicians, of course—whose province that kind of thing in language is—would never subscribe; they are, rather, simply taken up of a puerile occupation with evil, and are properly, to be severed from society.
And yes—as might occur also, to anyone else’s mind—I do have ideas as to how such excision might be, and should be accomplished with all due speed, . . .
Let’s call this what it truly is… Evil.
“In the inner heart of every person the voice of God and the insidious voice of the Evil One can be heard. The latter seeks to deceive the human person, seducing him with the prospect of false goods, to lead him away from the real good that consists precisely in fulfilling the divine will.” John Paul II
I get pretty sick and tired of the old canard “popular culture doesn’t make people do things.” If movies, books, TV, etc. had no shaping effect on people, then nobody would be clamoring to get into the entertainment industry. Also: activists wouldn’t be so eager to get their messages embedded in the pop culture.
The movies and books that celebrate evil start out by merely appealing to someone’s lust for evil, then continue on that course by egging them on.
I am not in agreement with the premise of the article or the general gist of the thread. I worked in a mental hospital for years and had much personal contact with many who were as evil as any of the perpetrators given as examples in the article. A large number of those grew up in the 40′s and 50′s when popular culture was much more sanitized than it is now. The sad fact is that there are sociopaths in the world and they will do unspeakable things. Popular culture didnt make them what they are, and popular culture cannot stop them.
Actually i was specifically talking about the acceptance of blood fetishism which has to do with both popular culture and a cultural shift. This article isn’t about pop culture “causing” insanity but influencing morality and belief.
Also this article isn’t about people who are insane, these people are all sane. None have been committed or judge mentally incompetent.
True, but in our criminal justice and psychiatric system today, it’s nearly impossible to get anybody committed as even “mentally disturbed”, let alone criminally insane.
Having “been there” (on the prosecution side) in the old days (two or so decades back), today in the newspapers I see cases that formerly would have been slamdunks for “guilty but mentally ill” turned into a circus of battling psychiatrists and psychologists debating the “nature of sanity”, and often convincing the jury that there is no actual “consensus” on what constitutes it.
The result is pretty much like the old “not guilty by reason of insanity”, except that since no one can agree on the meaning of “sane”, there often isn’t even any time in a psychiatric facility. And if there is, the “professionals” seem to have a compulsion (if you’ll pardon the term) to release such patients as “no longer a danger to themselves or others” after a few months. In most cases, they are about half right; it’s the “or others” half they usually get wrong.
A recent case here in Ohio involved a man who worked for a tree-trimming service who went into a house, killed two women and a boy, and kidnapped a 13-year-old girl whom he held as a “sex slave” for several days before he was caught. (Somebody had seen him sneaking around the house before the attack.)
When he came up for trial, it turned out that he had been in the state “mental health system” before, because his family was worried about his bizarre delusions and behavior. But the psychiatrists, G-d bless ‘em, sent him home and lovingly lectured his kin on why they should be “valuing his insights” (from his paranoid disorder) rather than worrying about what he might do next.
In the modern system , seriously mentally unbalanced criminals like Richard Ramirez aka the “Night Stalker” would most likely not be recognized as dangerously insane- precisely because the professionals see “sanity” as a false social construct, in keeping with post-modern “deconstructionist” theory.
I’ve often wondered exactly what the “experts” think when a case blows up in their faces like this. Do they feel any sense of responsibility?
Or do they just write it off as “the price we must pay” to protect the right of the genuinely, dangerously crazy to “express themselves”?
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I call BS to the mental ward attendant’s statement. Twenty years ago, my father went through a heavy duty mid-life crisis and talked about fantasies he had of killing people, but when I went to mental health professionals about what I was supposed to do with him in that state, all I got was crickets. They pretended they didn’t know what to do, and I found out many years later after extreme suffering and problems that all anyone needed to do was commit him. But they were too busy falling all over themselves about how cool he was and how totally normal it was to walk around talking about doing this atrocious stuff that they then started criticizing me for being a Christian!
Nothing could be done with him at all, and I had already been warned before going to the mental health kooks by a trusted friend of the family who went through hell with her daughter for a number of years who almost got physically violent at the mere mention that I might major in psychology. And the reaction of the roomful to the Ft. Hood shooter, hate to say it, but it came as no surprise. Moral clarity isn’t something they understand or even like at all, and they more than likely thought he was pretty cool, too, only they can’t say that on camera after the fact. If only people realized.
But back to the topic at hand. As a teen I read everything I could on vampires due to an interest in European folklore, and I have to say there has been something different about vampire fans in the past decade or so. It was pretty harmless in the 80s, and I don’t remember anyone ever suggesting living a “lifestyle” where you actually sucked people’s blood and called yourself one. I did notice a few years back seeing books on tables at the bookstore around Halloween talking about how one could start their own real life vampire covens, though, and I think that may be the origin of this kind of wacky stuff. Mainstream bookstores didn’t carry that kind of thing years ago, but now you see it everywhere. Perhaps the internet has also raised the profile of this sort of group, but the author is correct to say something has changed. I notice most of the cases he cites were in the past decade, like I said.
Mr. Taylor, I apologize for oversimplifying. How evil manifests itself is strongly influenced by popular culture, and the moral atmosphere profoundly affects peoples behavior. However, the extreme examples given in the article were committed by sociopaths. They were going to commit those crimes, or ones on par with them, no matter the social climate or pop culture influences they were subjected to. Their depravity was dressed up as a blood fetish, but subtract that influence entirely and they would have dressed up their depravity as something else.
A specific case would be a man who grew up strongly influenced by christianity, then slaughtered his three sons aged 7, 9, and 12 with a kitchen knife. After dismembering them, he put them in the trunk of his car and drove to the coroner’s office and announced to them that he had saved his sons from the devil.
Again, I oversimplified when I used the term sociopath. Actually there is ‘insane’ where a person’s brain ceases to properly process reality, and ‘personality disorder’ where the brain functions fine but has imiportant parts missing. Sociopaths, strictly speaking, are not insane. They see themselves as the only real person in the world and all of the rest of us are just objects to be used and manipulated. They lack the ability to have empathy. As you point out, they often have contempt for society. Meeting a true sociopath is a real treat. It is very much like a movie where, when they walk into the room the air temp drops by 20 degrees and your skin starts crawling.
On another note, I was very intrigued by your article on the rise of the Santa Muerte cult. Will you have any follow-up reports?
I might. I left out some material for length specifically dealing with the reconquista movement and their attempts to recreate “Aztec” religion. I also left out some interesting stuff about Wiccans and a Dutch woman who had embraced Sante Muerte.
#4 Lasuthenboy has it spot on…this does not stand up to scrutiny.
We can go back to any random spot in our history and find bloodthirsty individuals, groups, or entire societies…thousands of years before there was even a printing press invested.
Today’s media does not influence someone that is going to kill and drink / eat their victim…the truly crazy are damaged in some manner that has nothing to do with media.
Focusing on premise of this article;
If we actually read and study Joseph Campbell, what he is saying is the LACK of heroes and Myths in our society is leading to these actions; People are making up their own as the examples of Heros we offer are Banking and finance executives stealing billions – trillions, Presidents and industrialists destroying entire sections of the Economy for personal gain, and on and on.
Since we offer no true Hero to those that need it most, our youngest, they will create their own based on what they are seeing in the world around them. Remove the special effects, the blood and teen oriented story lines in the crop of vampire / wolf / etc movies, and we are left with a group of people that suck the life out of, and destroy those around them.
Does that sound familiar…is there group in society that fits this scenario..? Maybe Bankers, military industrial entities, Government leaders, etc.
Our Young are finding comfort in these movies because it reflects their fears and understanding of what they see occurring around them. The adults supposed to protect them are blinded, or ingrained in the system to see truth of Banking system, and the system itself is collapsing.
So vampire mythology in our country has changed slowly over the last few decades because of the 2008 banking crisis? And the vampires in popular entertainment AREN”T representations of our cultural heroes even though we have hundreds of people emulating them? Really?
The media does affect people. That is why companies will pay millions of dollars for one 30 second spot at the super bowl. That little 30 second spot will affect people so much, that they will make millions over and above, what they spent on that ad.
Hollywood knows this. Do they deny their sponsors don’t sell and get big profits, via media? They just lie whenever it is convenient for them to do so. It is the responsibilty they wish to avoid, not the money.
Voilent movies run a lot longer that a little 30 seconds. Same results though.
Here we go again…when crazy people start killing or maiming others, why is it that people always look for an excuse in popular fiction, video games, or music?
It has nothing to do with the popularity of vampires. If it was religion that was popular, these people would be running around claiming that they’re demons (or even Satan himself), just the way they used to. So, no, religion isn’t going to solve all of this (at least, not THAT religion, lol).
As for your characterization of law-abiding citizens in the vampire community…completely off base, quite rude, and worst of all–potentially harmful, as it may engender hate crimes. I recommend doing research that involves more than a couple of sensationalist collections of weird people before making an armchair psychologist assessment of a large group of people, most of whom are neither sadistic, nor victimized in any way. Ordinary people don’t make good stories in books, which is why they tend not to wind up in those collections.
So criticizing people in the vampire community for enabling or encouraging acts of depravity by fantasy illusions bordering to reality, as in the cases of others who committed criminal acts, is a hate crime? Pleeze, get outta here. Using “hate crime” rhetoric is pathetic. It’s anti-free speech.
The problem is that you have some people who cannot or are not able to discern fantasy from reality. They get so caught up in the depraved and perverted ideas of being “vampires”. It’s a mental disorder (the mind not able to recognize the differences between fantasy and reality). I’m certain you may have some law-abiding people of sound mind who may enjoy partaking in a fantasy world and still step into reality when time’s up, but there are some people who doesn’t wanted to separate themselves from fantasy and engage in contemptuous, depraved acts to further satisfy their empty lives. It would be an addiction and it can lead to criminal acts.
The piece was not about “vampire” role players but S&M, a shift in morality and more importantly the contempt we teach our children to have for others. Consuming others is an act of domination and contempt – even with “donors” etc and you can pretty up blood fetishism all you want in the abstract, but you can’t refute the article.
The fact that you consider yourself part of a community that takes it’s name from a corpse that rises from the dead to parasitically feed on others in legends that are clearly metaphors for rape and incest does prove my point about self-loathing and disdain for others, no?
But it is about vampire role-playing, which is more accurately described as the vampire lifestyle. I think it has more of a link with darker fringe religious movements than it does with “Twilight” or other popular vampire movies/books, or did Dracula inspire a blood-sucking cult in Stoker’s day? I don’t recall ever hearing anything about that until the past decade or so. A lot of kids who are interested in monsters and all that don’t take it seriously to mean they actually could be vampires by sucking other people’s blood as some kind of religious or lifestyle choice, which is now what is popping up. Some of that part of the phenomenon is just middle class teens who are rather bored with relatively easy lives, but this has become something different. Certainly, the origin of the vampire is in Eastern Europe, and some of the lore is based in Christianity, like blood sucking as a sign of evil because the Old Testament prohibits the drinking of blood. The modern Goth movement has changed, too, in the past few decades, and that is also connected to this.
The change in the goth movement happened with the entrance of S&M into “mainstream” goth – ironically driven by the commercialization of the goth image. Certainly you can see the problem of what is by any standard sexually deviant behavior being sold to teens as part of a sub-culture (by companies not run by goths by the way) being one of our culture and our public morality?
Please. S&M never “entered” into the goth community. Of course there’s crossover, just like there’s crossover with the Christian community or the artist community. Yes, some goths adopt a certain amount of S&M-like accessories (the dog collars, strappy trousers, and chains actually derive from goth’s punk roots), but the goths who actually engage in S&M practices (let alone “lifestyle”) are a small minority. And I say this as a longtime member of the (large) Seattle goth community, so I have a pretty large sample size to generalize from.
Furthermore, let’s make sure to distinguish between vampire role-playing (as in the “Vampire: The Masquerade” role-playing game) and vampire lifestyle (actually drinking people’s blood). People who engage in the first are harmless; people who engage in the second are dangerous lunatics, and are recognized as such by both gamers and goths. And having known a very great many people engaged in vampire role-playing, there is no tendency for it to lead to blood-drinking.
So let’s please not overgeneralize and get into the “people who dress weird are dangerous” and “people who play role-playing games are dangerous” fallacies. Psychotics are dangerous, and no community or subculture has more than their proportionate share.
Mr. Taylor, you stated that this behavior has part in “the contempt we teach our children to have for others.” Do you have substantiation for that charge? The parents of the people you have used for examples, do you know their background and what influence, for good or evil, that the parents had on them? Children often go through “phases” that appear far out compared to the dynamics of a family setting but outgrow them. Where is the cut-off point where the parents are no longer responsible but the person him/herself? There are many children and even young/older adults who have read/watched the Vampire movies and TV shows as well as books that don’t go crazy and claim to be vampires or were-animals. I’d be curious to know the familial influence on these people you are talking about.
Like others, I see it as innate evil. From many in the Christian community Chapter Six of the Book of Genesis is talking about fallen angels mating with human women and using genetic manipulation to “create” what is now called vampires as well as other evil “creations”. They too indulged in horrendous behaviors, including blood drinking, which is why God destroyed the earth. It is also stated that those “days of Noah” will return as it gets close to the end of days. I expect we will see more of this behavior rather than less. The only hope for it is salvation in Jesus Christ.
Are you attempting to claim that good parenting produces blood drinking sex offenders who hire out as hit men for the Hell’s Angels?
But anyway you’re being too literal. We as a whole society teach the generations coming up to be contemptuous of others. Individual parents teach contempt for morality by living immoral lives often enough.
You’re also letting people off the hook by giving their depravity some deeper metaphysical meaning.
If you’d like to see some examples of how the youth of today has been taught contempt for others, just turn on the TV and tune into any one of the many news pieces being done on “Occupy Wall St., or search out the many pieces that have been put up on You Tube.
Sometimes popular culture does affect people and the way they commit their crimes. It does not however CAUSE them to commit the crimes. These people mentioned in the article would have ended up in trouble with the law eventually in another way I am sure.
I have been a fan of Vampire movies, books and otherwise since I was 9 years old and first read Dracula. I have read the Anita Blake series myself and yet I work a 9-5 job for an insurance company, have pets that are well taken care of, and friends and family. Some of my friends are even a part of the Vampire Community. No one I know would ever commit these crimes, they dont attack, victimize or harm anyone. I dont cut people, bite them while they are walking down the street, or commit violent acts against anyone. It seems to me that the movies, books and vampire community isnt the real issue. It is these clearly very sick minded individuals. So we blame the recent Vampire craze? Thats not enough to push someone to commit violent crimes if they were not already predisposed to do so, and if that is the case then anything could have pushed them into crimes like the ones they committed. at #WingedWolf, I agree strongly.
You’re confusing the popular culture with popular entertainment. Vampire books and movies reflect the culture that already exists, and out culture is one that encourages parasitism, disdain for morality and acceptance of unhealthy perversions – which is why vampires are now the heroes in popular entertainment.
The general trend in literature has been to put forth antiheroes anyway. What is your take on “Dexter” in that case? I’d be less concerned about vampire portrayals in film or books because they aren’t real, but serial killers are. Dexter is a hero, correct? I’ve never seen the show, but you are spot on about the side in social mores on just about every level. That part certainly can’t be denied.
Dexter reflects a culture that places more value on psychological damage than courage in our heroes. It also is frankly an extension or the worst aspects of the true crime industry – the celebration of murderers. Dexter is the “hero” of the story but if there really was a Dexter would he be a hero? Often the people he is stalking go on to kill more people while he plans on murdering them and he could stop them by going to the cops.
Meanwhile there’s a whole community of people who dress up like superheros and try to fight crime. Admittedly they’re weirdos – but why do we live in a society that mocks them and their real life attempts to help people and glorifies a serial killer “hero” on TV? And why are we OK with that?
Often the people he is stalking go on to kill more people while he plans on murdering them and he could stop them by going to the cops.
Practically Fast & Furious.
What many critics of Dexter overlook is “The Code of Harry”. Many times Dexter say that without Harry and The Code he would be simply a killer without reason or rules and would be already dead or in jail.
The Code (and Harry) made him someone that would not harm a helpless human to feed his urge to kill. All the other killers he kill are not bound to the same Code. They are simply predators that exploit others without regards of them (Trinity for example). Dexter stop and try to help people often putting itself at risk in the process (Trinity family, Lumen, the illegal aliens from Cuba).
Do, today, westerns give their children any code to behave in life and to differ right from wrong? I think not.
My point was that I have watched vampire movies and read books for 20 years. I dont kill people because of those books, movies ect. I don’t have a desire to kill or attack anyone. I also don’t think I am a vampire or drink anyone’s blood. A book or movie cannot make someone do something they wouldn’t already be willing to do. These people were already willing to commit violent crimes, don’t blame books and movies blame the people who are murdering and attacking innocent people. Though my morals may be different from yours, as everyone has different morals, I don’t feel it has affected the way I live my life. The problem are these people, not Dracula or any of the other Vampire stories or movies. It seems pretty clear to me if there wasn’t a “Vampire Craze” there would be some other kind of craze to blame and point fingers at. We love to do that don’t we? People went crazy when “The Craft” and “Harry Potter” came out. Yet most of the audience of these movies are not trying to curse someone or run around with a stick waving it as a wand. These killers are obviously dangerous and were looking for an excuse to do these things. They use the vampire craze as an excuse, but its not the cause of their behavoir.
But you would admit that our society glamorizes “the bad guy” in vampire movies and that can be seen as a reflection of our society and it’s shifting values, no?
Hollywood glamorizes the “bad guy” in lots of different types of movies, yes including Vampire movies. My point is that normal healthy people don’t watch the movie and then go attack people on the street because they see them as the equivalent of a cheeseburger.
If you were raised with strong values and morals then no matter how much you read about murdering people, or see it on TV/movies , you still are not going to go out and try it. Maybe parents should take the time to instill what they feel are the appropriate morals/values into their children so that when they are put in front of the “Talking Digital Babysitting Box” (also known as TV) they are not just a blank slate.
Yes, society’s values are changing and shifting, I don’t believe all of the changes are bad but I don’t think they are all good either. Again, that depends on your own perception. Conservatism and morality does not always go hand-in- hand.
If we using popular entertainment’s new vampire craze as reasoning to explain why these people are killers, then Mob movies are to blame for people becoming mafia members, puppy movies are the reasons we have veterinarians, old fairy lore are to blame for babies being kidnapped and Rainbow Brite made people gay. As I have said before if it isnt vampires it would be something else for people to complain about. This is a VERY small fraction of vampire fans, and the most extreme cases. Most fans are not degerates who like to kill or attack people, so its not the vampires thats the problem.
Also, what is your stance on the vampire that doesn’t kill or feed off people in these movies? Are they still the bad guy if they are not hurting/feeding from anyone? Or is that what you mean by “glamorizing”? (This part is just out of my own curiosity)
I’m chapter 13, from the book-Something in the Blood. I have raised two awesome and brilliant children, I am now raising a third. I have never hurt anyone because I am a blood drinker. On the contrary, I bring peace and euphoria to those who graciously allow me to drink from them. I am an awesome mother. I am a very productive member of society. I am a free-lance writer as well as a social worker for the mentally handicapped. I have/am helping many, many people in this life. I am neither delusional or a soc
The fact that you think drinking people’s blood is helping them in some metaphysical way is delusional.
I never used the word metaphysical to describe how drinking blood from those her desire me to do so, brings those people a sense of peace, euphoria, clarity,and an over all state of happiness. How could you possibly know the culminations of my blood drinking relationships? How can you possibly make such a statement about something you have never experienced, especially with me as the blood drinker? How can you judge another person’s spiritual journey? Again, you haven’t even scratched the surface of our world. You are completely off base.
I suppose that your definition of “awesome and brilliant” may or may not include drinking blood.
What does blood drinking have to do with raising my children? I have never/nor would I ever expose my children to that one aspect of my life. Blood drinking is not the sum total of my being. My children are not blood drinkers (I said as much in my earlier post) they have nothing to do with that aspect of my life. Like I stated earlier, I taught/teach my children “HOW” to think, not “WHAT” to think. I don’t brainwash my children. They walk totally different paths in their lives than I walk in my life. So, yes, my children are awesome and brilliant, productive citizens of this world. Thanks again for the judgement about something that you probably do not know anything about, nor do you seem very interested in actually being educated about it.
To finish my post…nor am I a sociopath or psychotic. I bring happiness and a sense of self-worth to those around me. The kinds of extreme cases that you referrenced, are just that, extreme cases. Vampirism and blood drinking really have nothing to do with it. These obviously disturbed individuals would have committed a violent crime regardless of the “path” they chose to masquerade as. BTW-my life after ‘Something in the Blood’, became even more horror filled than what had happened to me up until that poi
As I illustrated blood drinking had everything to do with these cases. No one is saying you don’t have the right to drinking people’s blood if they consent, but you don’t have the right to pretend that blood fetishism is some sort of healing practice or that other blood drinkers you don’t want to be associated with are vastly different than you. They differ in degree only.
Wow, those are strong words. How do you know whether or not drinking human blood, from a willing participant, is healing or not? The use of the word “pretend” to describe how someone other than yourself feels about what they are doing is inappropriate. I am, of course, assuming that you have never practised blood drinking with a more than willing human donor. You have absolutely no way of knowing whether those “other” blood drinkers are vastly different from me or not. Since I do not harm others (nor do I even have any such desires to do so), in any sort of way (emotional, spiritual or physical) I would definitely say that they are vastly different from me. You are making blanket judgements. So, when other non-vampire humans commit murder and rape and any other horrible evil, are they only differing from you by degrees? Or would you say that they are nothing like you, that they are “evil”, mentally unbalanced and so on. What exactly is your experience with actual blood drinking practices? Just what you have read? Just the few cases of psychopaths or sociopaths or whatever, that use blood drinking as an excuse for their homicidal tendecies? Any experienced blood drinker knows that killing someone for their blood doesn’t even make sense. Especially from the perspective of actually drinking human blood. The human body can only drink blood in small amounts, or else our bodies will naturally regurgitate it. Besides, “blood lust”, which is what a lot of people who claim to kill so that they can drink human blood, have, is not the same as being a blood drinker. You really haven’t even scratched the surface of our world. The real community, not the internet, or the movies or books, or the occasional wacko woh kills for says they killed for said blood. Our “community” has been around for a very long time. I, myself, have been a part of it since the 80′s.
So to judge you I need to drink blood. To judge Christians and Muslims I need to convert I suppose. I guess I can’t make assumptions about heroin addicts until I shoot up and perform fellatio people in alleyways to get my fix. I can’t comment on wife beating until I rough up my old lady, etc.
And you are a “non-vampire” human by the way. A vampire is a parasitic spirit attached to a corpse that visits family members at night – at least until Hollywood gave it the old “beautiful monster” treatment. The point here is that you want to be a vampire as opposed to say, a wise woman or a knight, which says something about the corruption inherent in our society which created you.
Sorry….in conclusion. I have taken all the evil and horror that has been heaped upon me by others and embraced it and turned it into wisdom and beauty. I have made the choice to be a “good”, loving,empathic,understanding individual. I inspire others to be their best selves. And yes, I am a blood drinker. For me it is spiritual as much as it is physical. Most “vamps” are awesome!
Sane people aren’t going to give you the approval your crave for snacking on cannibal cuisine.
Please seek help from a mental health professional, before you harm your children and others (defenseless prey).
Wow, first I do not want nor need anyones approval. You do not know anything about me. To make such a statement about someone that you have absolutely no clue about, is completely ridiculous. FYI- (not that you seem to be interested in discovering the truths about people)my two oldest children are in their mid twenties. They are awesome and brilliant human beings. They are not like me at all. My son is a Taoist and my daughter is a free spirit. They are intelligent, productive, kind, compassionate, passionate, goal orientated, creative, talented, empathic human beings. I taught my children how to think not what to think. There can not possibly be a prouder mother in this world. I have a young son, 7 years old, who is growing into just as awesome a person as his siblings. As far as mental health prof. go, why would I need to do that? Please tell me one thing that you know about me, that would indicate that I need mental health help. Because I drink human blood, from people who benefit from my actions? So,then, I would assume that you feel the same way about people who engage in golden showers,or people with any kind of fetish? Not that blood drinking is a fetish, for me. For some, many in fact, it is. Because, obviously, if you don’t engage in it, then it must be wrong. It must be awesome to be the moral voice for the entire population. What a burden that must be. Bottom line, you do not know me. You can not possibly have an educated perspective on me or my spiritual practices. I don’t crave approval, I simply feel obligated to educate others, when the opportunity arises. As usual, education, growing, evolving, require an open mind and spirit.
Where’s the father in your children’s lives? Does he approves of your lifestyle as a “blood-drinker”? Does he have any say in how you’re raising HIS kids?
And please knock off that “my children are awesome, brilliant, productive citizens” nonsense. Most of us have not met your kids in person and we have yet to determine how awesome, brilliant, and productive citizens you’re claiming them to be. You’re making them sound as more special and far better than other kids without proof. It is unhealthy and bordering to delusional of grandeur.
Welcome to the new witch hunt, same as the old witch hunt, pardon our dust while we tape on new labels for all the bit players.
Some crazy kid hopped up on behavior-altering medications shoots up a school— and kids wearing black makeup and trenchcoats or who play DOOM on their home computers are persecuted. Nobody goes after the people who gave captain crazypants a prescription and let him out on the street.
Some raving lunatic living in a shack in the woods with delusions that he speaks to God starts mailing explosives to people— and people start labeling survivalists as potential terrorists. Nobody goes after the people who gave captain crazypants a prescription and let him out on the street.
Crazy evil person does crazy evil things and claims he’s a vampire, a goth, a holy man from Timbuktu, a rock music fan,or a Lithuanian clog dancer, Nobody ever goes after the crazy evil person or the people who gave him a prescription and set him loose on the street. They just go after whatever subculture captain crazypants babbled about in his confession.
Are you sure that it’s not just crazy things people are saying just to get out of doing hard time and the death penalty? If all you have to do is tell someone you did it because the devil told you to….All the PC people can’t wait to hear you say that, you know.
Thank you RealityCheck, that was what i was trying to get at.
HEY!!!
Reality Check, thank you.
The fact of the matter is, people who do these killings are sick, twisted people and to suggest that “popular culture” is the reason for them acting as they do is a cop out. People have choices, they can master their destiny as they choose, therefore, if they act irresponsibly it is their fault. The people who are “real life” Vampires act responsibly. They do not go out and intentionally or deliberatly do harm to others. As with “true” Pagans etc many of the subcultures, if you will, are misunderstood because of ignorance or the lack of knowledge that is provided to the public. Again, it is people such as the people in the article who give those who are “true” a bad name because of their claims to be something they are definitly not.
I don’t title the articles so I’m not going to argue with you about the word “true”
There are a few things I take issue with in this piece, though I can tell you did a fair share of research, at lest into the point of view you wished to express. “Male “vampires” tend to be sexual sadists who derive pleasure from dominating others. They seek out partners who are easy to manipulate or will play along with their sado-masochistic fantasy life.”
You got this from two books you read and seeing reports about criminals and want to apply that to everyone in a community? Thats rediculous…I mean if I were to take the reports of every Christian that commited an immoral act and only saw criminal news stories about them would it follow that all Christians are the same?
So if you read the stories about people in the Vampire Community in Say New Orleans helping out the flood victims….does that make them all high moral standard barers? What about the ones in Savannah that are providing food and blanks to the homeless?
“Females often claim to have a history of sexual abuse and use bloodletting as a punishment or payment for sexual activity. Both frequent forums, clubs, or groups where they can find others who share their interests, and, unsurprisingly, drug use is often involved.”
This is also disappointing and flatly not true. Perhaps in the places you went and people you talked too, but then you were looking for this…immorality. Look at other sources like the AVA survays or talk to writers like Joseph Lylock who actually took a impartial view and wrote about it. Perhaps goto some events that are not centered around nightclub life and instead around other aspects of the community and perhaps take a greater view.
I mean for every one of the crimes you listed how many should we list of Christians commiting crimes? Can’t you see the sensationalism the media is using?