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Let’s Use All the Data This Time: Are Stand Your Ground Laws Racist?

Contrary to anti-rights rhetoric, black defenders are doing well in Stand Your Ground states. Also read: Zimmerman: No Gun, No Charges

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Howard Nemerov

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September 10, 2013 - 12:00 am
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Each year, the FBI compiles the number of homicide offenders by race where they know the offender’s race. After 2005, blacks have gradually accounted for a greater share of all homicides, trending from 48% to 50% of all offenders, while white attackers trended from 48% to 46%. This coincides with the national increase in justifiable homicides involving black attackers, and may explain why black attackers account for a larger percentage of all justifiable homicides in recent years:

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Our president’s administration wants to “review” Stand Your Ground” laws for racial reasons, and “researchers” stepped in to manipulate data to “prove” that Stand Your Ground laws create “racial disparities.”

Isn’t using partial datasets to justify an anti-self-defense agenda racist in itself, and especially when restricted self-defense laws create racial disparities by inhibiting blacks’ civil right of self-defense?

Citing the same data source and using a complete dataset show that racism isn’t an issue with Stand Your Ground laws, but with those who deliberately ignore facts.

Also read: Zimmerman: No Gun, No Charges

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Former civilian disarmament supporter and medical researcher Howard Nemerov investigates the civil liberty of self-defense and examines the issue of gun control, resulting in his book Four Hundred Years of Gun Control: Why Isn’t It Working? He appears frequently on NRA News as their “unofficial” analyst and was published in the Texas Review of Law and Politics with David Kopel and Carlisle Moody.

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so a law that is color blind is a racial issue, I guess only in the eyes of racists would that make sense.
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There is an epidemic of black-on-white violence, not just at the individual level, but also black groups attacking white individuals, the group violence abetted by the use of social media to whip up and coordinate the mob.

We've heard about the attacks in Chicago, Philly, NY, Indy, Baltimore and elsewhere, but it's also happening in smaller cities like the Greensboro-Burlington NC area.

These racist attacks are the fruit of decades of racist federal policy. The Great Society laws (Affirmative Action, Section 8, AFDC, etc.) have been augmented by newer forms of organized and semi-organized racism, such as the CRA move invented by Jimmy and put into force by Bill to force banks to make home loans based on race.

Put that with the explosion of (reverse) racism in the culture - in movies, TV shows and music - and it's a natural outcome that blacks see themselves as aggrieved and on the verge of extinction, so they must fight. This is made more possible by the fact that so many of them have the free time, and cell phones, to do their "struggle" with the help of taxpayer money transferred to them every month from the racist crackers who supposedly oppress them.

Thomas Sowell is right: black America has been ruined by liberal social welfare policies.
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Howard: Two things: First: The "Stand Your Ground" law was absolutely irrelevant in the Trayvon Martin case. Those who keep criticizing it are only exposing their stupidity. Second: All the data in the world are not going to convince people who keep criticizing SYG laws. If they are too stupid to understand why the first point, they are not going to be able to understand the data you present.
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in orwell's 21st century urban america blacks are the ones with the guns and the grievances. of all groups black americans are the only ones who cannot get jobs because they are illiterate as a result of having no education in anything other than basketball. which will only take one so far. all other groups cannot get jobs because there are none to get. blacks, have settled comfortably into tribal villages with their own horror-film societal rules. no one seems to mind this much so we can look forward to an even dumber and more deadly criminal population.
49 weeks ago
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I'd like to know how he handled the lack of a hispanic sud set in Federal data as the Dept of Justice rolls the majority of hispanic crime under the white category
49 weeks ago
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See my reply to Walterc below.
49 weeks ago
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There are a few flaws in this line of reasoning. First of all, black people don't care whether a black victim can defend himself from a _black_ attacker; racism is simply not a factor. Nor is racism involved in a white-on-white attack. Those cases just don't matter.

Racism comes into play only in a killing in which one party is white and the other black, and there are more cases of white people citing stand your ground to defend themselves against black attackers, than vice-versa. This means that, to one who does not care whether a person is an attacker or a defender, any law that condones self-defense is on balance pro-white and anti-black.

Also, consider the economic implications. A law that requires a robbery victim to surrender his money in lieu of self-defense when that option is available lets black people without opportunity make a living via robbery. A Stand Your Ground law, in contrast, denies black people that source of income, as it respects a white victim's right to freedom from unwarranted searches and seizures. (That's like preventing a person's slaves from being taken away without compensation.)

Also, anything that facilitates self-defense makes it harder to use the threat of crime to coerce white people to cough up more in taxes for social spending.

That is why black leaders want these laws repealed.
49 weeks ago
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Thank you! That analysis was just beautiful! I would love to see you polish and put out out in a bigger format!
48 weeks ago
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Opposition to SYG laws stems from the belief that people do not have a God given right to self defense. It is a way to limit or abolish our right of self defense and further the gun control agenda. Facts and Natural Rights do not matter to critics of SYG. Often the charge of racism is the refuge of those with room temperature IQs and advocates of government control of all aspect of our lives.
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You get it.
49 weeks ago
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so a law that is color blind is a racial issue, I guess only in the eyes of racists would that make sense.
49 weeks ago
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You understand Al & Jesse's rules of order. To a hammer, everything looks like a nail. And when somebody chooses to act dumber than a bag of hammers?
49 weeks ago
49 weeks ago Link To Comment
There is an epidemic of black-on-white violence, not just at the individual level, but also black groups attacking white individuals, the group violence abetted by the use of social media to whip up and coordinate the mob.

We've heard about the attacks in Chicago, Philly, NY, Indy, Baltimore and elsewhere, but it's also happening in smaller cities like the Greensboro-Burlington NC area.

These racist attacks are the fruit of decades of racist federal policy. The Great Society laws (Affirmative Action, Section 8, AFDC, etc.) have been augmented by newer forms of organized and semi-organized racism, such as the CRA move invented by Jimmy and put into force by Bill to force banks to make home loans based on race.

Put that with the explosion of (reverse) racism in the culture - in movies, TV shows and music - and it's a natural outcome that blacks see themselves as aggrieved and on the verge of extinction, so they must fight. This is made more possible by the fact that so many of them have the free time, and cell phones, to do their "struggle" with the help of taxpayer money transferred to them every month from the racist crackers who supposedly oppress them.

Thomas Sowell is right: black America has been ruined by liberal social welfare policies.
49 weeks ago
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I find it curious that these types of articles (and associated studies) are listed as black and white without regard to any other races. Do these 1005 populations include Hispanic, Asian, Native American, Pacific Islander, mixed race etc? Or are all of the other races classified as white or black?

Seems to me we aren't getting the full story here. But I'm guessing that the studies care actually using a Black/Non-Black basis with mixed racial victims/attackers being classified as black if they have black in them (i.e. Obama the first black president) and white if they are any other mixed race (i.e. George Zimmerman the White Hispanic).

Can someone clarify that issue for me?
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Unfortunately, most reporting police agencies do not enter the Hispanic origin code in the Supplemental Homicide reports. However, keep in mind that the anti-gun 'researcher' used the SHR data, so I used the same dataset he did to show how he fudged. Since we're comparing apples-apples between his research and mine (same data source) we can use this broader black/white comparison.

Or the Urban Institute can publicly issue a retraction of its research and we can move on to important issues, like how to communicate to thinking Americans of African descent that partaking of the Second Amendment better leads to their liberation.
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There is no Hispanic race. That was a fiction invented by Dick Nixon in the 1960s for political reasons. The supposed Hispanics are actually Caribes, Azteks, Maya, Mestizos with admixtures of west Africans thrown in because of meso-America's history with slavery.

When I first saw Marco Rubio - a Caucasian - talk about his struggles as an Hispanic, I knew him immediately for the lying RINO he is.
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It almost certainly depends on how mixed-race, or people of ambiguous race, are identified in police reports. I would imagine there are no universal standards on how race is reported by police departments. I have even heard of cases where the race of victims and/or perpetrators actually went unreported by the police because they feared it would be racially disruptive. Given these reporting variables, it's probably impossible to address the questions you raise.
49 weeks ago
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Howard: Two things: First: The "Stand Your Ground" law was absolutely irrelevant in the Trayvon Martin case. Those who keep criticizing it are only exposing their stupidity. Second: All the data in the world are not going to convince people who keep criticizing SYG laws. If they are too stupid to understand why the first point, they are not going to be able to understand the data you present.
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[Second: All the data in the world are not going to convince people who keep criticizing SYG laws.]

True. But if you are face-to-face with such folks, and you use data to counter their points instead of calling them stupid, people listening in will see you as the knowledgeable, reasonable one, and can be swayed toward your side.
48 weeks ago
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Your Point Number Two is one of the cruxes as to why virtually nothing can be debated in this country anymore.
Either it's 'your proof is wrong, and I can prove it' [and then they never, ever do] or they just tell you their talking points are 'their opinions' and are incontrovertible to them, personally. [Basically, rock drills, nitroglycerine, split-bamboo whips and salt are not going to be at-all successful]
It might be trite and facile, but I look to appearances to determine who I am even going to talk-to anymore. I'm getting pretty good at 5-minute analysis by letting them do most of the talking, and it works for me most of the time, plus it keeps my blood pressure down to a tolerable level.
48 weeks ago
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The issue isn't about Zimmerman and SYG, but about junk research trying to justify repealing SYG.

Are you outreaching to undecided people? This research will help. That's the only reason I publish.
49 weeks ago
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They don't care about black defenders. They're only interested in black criminals, whom they regard as black victims in every case. Black criminal = black victim of racism. Get it straight.
49 weeks ago
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Monster... you said a mouthful and hit a home run with your comment.

Thank you.
49 weeks ago
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good info, but honestly it dosent matter..on either side. if the looney anti gunners cared about facts, we wouldnt be having this discussion to begin with and if im being attacked ima shoot the sob. i dont care what color he is, background, mental clarity, or motivation. my life is in danger i will shoot first, last and to heck with the questions. my right to defense comes from god and nature not the state
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