LAPD Turns a Blind Eye to Illegal Aliens without Driver’s Licenses
“It’s a fairness issue,” Chief Beck told the Los Angeles Times. “There is a vast difference between someone driving without a license because they cannot legally be issued one and someone driving after having their license revoked.”
Indeed there is, and those differences are already recognized in California law, specifically in the punishments prescribed for each offense. But in seeking “fairness,” or his idea of it, the chief ignores the specific language of state law as it pertains to the seizure of cars from unlicensed drivers. Section 14607.4(f) of the California Vehicle Code reads as follows:
It is necessary and appropriate to take additional steps to prevent unlicensed drivers from driving, including the civil forfeiture of vehicles used by unlicensed drivers. The state has a critical interest in enforcing its traffic laws and in keeping unlicensed drivers from illegally driving. Seizing the vehicles used by unlicensed drivers serves a significant governmental and public interest, namely the protection of the health, safety, and welfare of Californians from the harm of unlicensed drivers, who are involved in a disproportionate number of traffic incidents, and the avoidance of the associated destruction and damage to lives and property.
It’s worth noting that in 2008 the city of Los Angeles was one of several cities and counties named as defendants in a federal civil lawsuit that challenged the current impound policy. The U.S. District Court granted summary judgment to the defendants, a decision affirmed by the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, a court not widely known for being a friend to law enforcement. In so ruling, the Court stated, “This limited application [of the impound authority in the California Vehicle Code] accords with the California legislature’s determination that such a temporary forfeiture is warranted to protect Californians from the harm caused by unlicensed drivers — a determination we have no basis to reject.”
And yet now the LAPD’s chief, based on his own — and the mayor’s of course — sense of “fairness,” rejects this same determination.
So how “fair” will this new policy be to those who come to suffer for it? Just as I sat down to write this column I came across this story of a traffic accident in L.A.’s San Fernando Valley. A 60-year-old woman, Patricia Ellen Riedy of Wildwood, Mo., was struck and killed by a car driven by an unlicensed driver, 36-year-old Martha Cruz. The story makes no mention of Ms. Cruz’s immigration status, though one might draw an inference based on her surname. But whether a citizen or not, she had no right to be behind the wheel of the car that killed the unfortunate Ms. Riedy, whose survivors might offer instruction to Chief Beck on what is “fair.”
The people of the state of California, through their elected representatives, have decided that people who drive while unlicensed, whatever the reason, should have their cars impounded. It is not for the mayor of Los Angeles or his chief of police to decide otherwise.
I’m dissolving my LA based corporation and leaving the state today.
It’s an issue of fairness.
See you later bye bye
good. maybe you should go to europe….
no loss
Meh, Rule Of Law, only first world countries with growing economies need it.
In this, our glorious age of “Hope and Change you can believe in”, good intentions and the Rule Of Whim as determined by our betters and ruling class masters in the Obama Administration are all that matter.
GFYLA
G = Good / Go
F = For / *
Y = You / Yourself
L = Los
A = Angeles
I am not a rich man.
I run an independent film/tv/new media production, web development and animation studio. Shortly after moving to LA (2008), one of my major accounts went out of business and my company was in financial trouble. I looked into my options and discovered that I was not eligible for unemployment benefits, even if I went out of business. I kept the company but have no employees or clients.
The company has lost money every year since, and the city and state continue to collect taxes. So, not only do I not collect unemployment, I have to pay the city and state to keep my job, which pays me nothing.
I’ve been privately developing a new web service. We begin looking for investors in January. The service is in the entertainment industry so we would have been headquartered in LA, creating potentially hundreds of jobs.
Mayor Villaraigosa sends the OWS losers ponchos that I paid for.
Mayor Villaraigosa sends me a bill.
Not anymore.
My corporation will never have any association with California or L.A. in the future. If and when I get investors for my project, we’ll headquarter somewhere else. Maybe even outside the US.
Well done, Democrats.
A lawless government will soon find itself ruling a lawless citizenry.
Oh, it’s already happened, baby.
(My friend) got broadsided by some illegal Mexican a-hole who squealed off after destroying our car.
We caught the license plate, took it to LAPD and the officers literally fled the desk when we brought the info in. They weren’t interested in following it up. (My friend) thought, “this is interesting…”
A year later, (my friend) whacked a car while pulling out of a parking space, bashed in it good. (My friend) paused his vehicle, feeling badly. Then (my friend) remembered the incident a year later… And hit the gas.
We disappeared onto Wilshire. The gathering crowd gasped in shock. But (my friend) knew nothing would come of it… And of course, nothing did.
Nobody stops after an accident in LA. People who run over CHILDREN often don’t stop. And that’s what your policies get, Chief Beck and Mayor Villar.
So, you were no better than the “Mexican A-hole.”
How do you know he was illegal? Assumption I take it? Had he been light skinned would you assume he was white? Your wrong does not make things right.The issues at hand are American bred.
weak a-hole…your just a bigot who has idiot for friend…
it has been for years. look at our crime rate thats not really influenced by undocs..its primarily citizens. go get pseudo intellectual on a nother site idiot. we speak english here, not latin dork!!!
Don’t you know, silly, that there is one law for American citizens and the SAME LAW for illegal aliens now in California? After all, we need all of them to vote Democratic in the next election, right, especially when you do NOT have to show a voter I.D. when voting. So what better way to say “We love you” than to just let them do whatever they want? It is one thing for illegal aliens to come here and try to work and make a living. You can at least feel sorry for that. But when you start turning a blind eye to them even though they are breaking other laws, then you have a big problem. But, hey, the Democrats want the votes, right? Between the illegal aliens and ACORN (and their affiliates) in California, I don’t think the Democrats have much to worry about in the next election.
What possible incentive could there be for an illegal to try to vote? I mean these are people who so desperately want to avoid attention that they often avoid seeking necessary medical care, just so the authorities won’t notice them.
It would take one hell of an incentive (probably money) to get each individual illegal to risk going to the polls. (I know, I know, you might not feel there’s any risk; but they do.) That kind of payoff to an illegal voter, multiplied thousands of times, would leave quite a trail. Where’s your evidence that this ever happens or has happened?
It’s not each individual illegal alien voting that’s the problem. It’s organized efforts to commit voter fraud by orgs such as ACORN who illegally register non-citizens. The illegal alien him/herself may actually vote, but more likely, someone else may fill out a mail-in ballot under their name. We’ve seen examples where people have actually checked “No” on the CA voter registration form question “Are you a U.S. citizen,” and they get added to the voter roles anyway. These efforts are being supported and abetted by ethnicall/racially-motivated interest groups and the Democrat Party.
I repeat: WHERE is the incentive for an illegal alien to take the risk of even registering to vote? (whether or not they actually do vote.) Why should they go out on a huge limb just because ACORN tells them/asks them to do it?
PS – the people who check ‘no’ on the citizenship question box could (for all you know) be non-citizens with a legitimate residence permit. They may honestly believe they can/should vote. Note: in some countries, voting is mandatory.
The illegals don’t register in the own names to vote – well, except perhaps in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas – but rather they vote in the names of the many many ‘imaginary people’ who are registered to vote. Examples? Dead people, fictional names appearing on the voter rolls from ‘get the vote out campaigns’ by folks like ACORN, imprisoned felons .. need some more? Ask one of the many organizations around the nation trying to get the local governments to purge the voting rolls as the state laws require. What do they get out of it? State and federal welfare benefits without any inquiry as to their immigration status. How? By using the name they voted with, in many places; outright fraud in the welfare agencies in others.
Asked and answered: vote buying amounts to, so I am told, about $25 a vote. Sometimes less. Illegals change names, identities, and so on, and do not consider themselves Americans invested in the nation with a long-term interest of following the law.
What incentive was there to bootleg: a lot, the law was not enforced and penalties were few. Enforcement was practically impossible anyway.
You have not thought this through Mike Reynolds. Once elections become a matter of whoever bribes the most illegals to vote for whatever measure/candidate comes around, and it is widely known to be so, inevitably people will first flee, and then fight. Fleeing is already occuring, and happens both in cyberspace (avoid lots of Mexicans who pepper spray you to get a cheap X-box, or Blacks who stampede to get free Air Jordans) and in real life (move to the exurbs). Eventually there is no more place to flee to, and the Mexodus plus special Mexican/Black privileges plus Whites as a minority equals Balkan level violence.
This is as predictable as the calendar.
Make the law and voting into a corrupt, special privilege for Mexicans institution, and you get flight, then fight. I used to laugh at Russian predictions of US civil wars. Not any more.
If White voters can’t win because they are drowned at $25 a pop illegal voters, violence sooner or later results.
Idiots, do you realize that many of these so called illegals take voting very seriously. Given the chance they would. Unfortunately here in America, where we take freedom for granted, the percentage of voters is rather low. It is in fact those illegals who are becoming legal who are changing the voting trend. Why do you think that politicians are taking notice? Even Republicans are attempting to attract these new voters, especially the Hispanic vote. It is these new Americans who are getting these political officials and their laws to piss you folks off. What are you going to do in response.
“WHERE is the incentive for an illegal alien to take the risk of even registering to vote?” Are you kidding? Obviously, the incentive for illegals to vote is to assure future benefits, support unions (yes, illegals are welcomed as members), and possible amnesty/jump-the-line citizenship that the Democrats and social progressives propose.
An incentive for illegals to vote is to ensure that the demonrats get elected, so the medicaid, welfare, handout by whatever game not only continues; but gets even bigger. And to continue to shoot for open borders, amnesty, etc.Illegals are, in the main, ignorami. They love collectivism/communism because of its false promises; while remaining ignorant of its historical failures. Its an ethnic mentality attributive, eg, Santa Anna’s ten restorations as the Benemerito de Mexico. Nine times driven from office, and ten times restored. Feeling; not thinking. Refusal to consider the necessary consequences of acting out. Felt need for a national Patron to nurture and provide. Total commitment to outnumber and demean/enslave the “white bastards who stole our land.” Move to a border town with, say, a 95% hispanic population and live there for a couple of years as a rinche, huero, gringo, gavacho and you will understand the motivations of greed, hostility, hate, envy, sloth harbored by almost all your neighbors.
That’s sort of like living in a 95% white area and being called wetback, beaner, taco bender, and chili choker. Hispanics don’t have the market on hate, so get used to a little of what you obviously have been dishing out your whole life.
and your point is??????? you dont know sh?t about immigrants. 80% are visa overstays from other countries like europe and canada. but all you see is your racist views of the south american or mexican immigants who in you view receive welfare. the majority of welfare recipients in this country are still white like the majority of people in prisons and junkies. you speak (write ) out of pure inherited ignorance. your uneducated parents never taught you sh?t they were probably brother and sister. moron
Are you serious? As a policeman who deals with people like this every day, allow me to let you in on the truth. The ones fresh off the boat–err, over the wall (if you will, as there really isn’t much of any wall at all)–might be scared for a few days, weeks, MAYBE a month or two…Then? Well then all their amigos/amigas or feeling-guilty-for-being-white liberals show them how to mooch off the system: EBT cards (welfare), TAP cards for transportation, food stamps, WIC, Dash and all access disability cards, medical and county cards, and even medical marijuana referrals for that toenail pain, ahem we all invariably get when we want to smoke some reefer (sheesh). Hell now Jerry Brown will let their kids go to college with tax payer dollars. Thats cradle to mid-twenties folks (for education at least). I know what your naive response will likely be: “But they can’t get most of those things you enumerated. Those are only for U.S. Citizens. ” Oh silly man, trix are for kids. And now you know they’ll get driver’s licenses too. Welcome to my world sir. Where I drive around every day in a black and white looking at a third world city dying in decay. Illegal vendors sitting on nearly every corner peddling their goods without a fear in the world of being deported. Yes, they too know about Special Order 40. The bills continue to pile up for the fifty percent of Americans who actually pay taxes while the bottom fifty percent greedily suck off the government teat reaping the windfall. But while the looting goes on unrelentlessly nobody stopped to notice that the businessmen, entrepreneurs, and tax payers have all been fleeing this sinking ship known as California? I wonder who’s going to pay for this mess? WHO IS JOHN GALT?
ghetto gunfighter you have probably never been in a gun battle you fake ass immature tool of a weak cop. most ghetto “real” cops empathize with folks working hard unlike yourself. So you work in a low income seciton of LA. That makes you an educated man. Your job only requires a GED which is what you must have to speak of things you know nothing about. You drive around in a black and white not doing sh?t but judging through your racist eyes and making assumptions that those vendors are undocumented and make generalizations. why dont you work the valley or the west side and see your white trash bretherin living like animals on the rock and causing misery for everyone around them. They, my friend, are welfare recipients. Next time when you want to promote or get hired when lapd fires your sorry ass, be honest with your views and dont hide like the coward you are you Moron.
Why don’t you get your GED so you can learn to spell “section” and “brethren”?
You ignorant fool.
Don’t make assumptions about LA coppers. At least this one can spell. M-o-r-o-n.
What are you talking about? How quickly people forget that it is these same “illegals” that have have helped in the progress of this country. What, do you really want them to walk out again to prove that point (sure you all remember at what cost to this economy. Too much generalizing here. By the way, ACORN no longer exists
How appallingly naive of you to think ACORN does not exist anymore… Educate yourself! They are still operating, but under different names.
zook, educate me.. what are their names
“…the number that affects the law.”
We are now using terminology to describe events within the United States which has been normal in the Third World for a very long time. This is how shanty towns are formed and this will be the next notable event within the U.S.
We lack the resolve to do anything about it, especially when it comes to those higher ups who decide to enforce law. OWS will be seen to be nothing in comparison though a complete paradigm.
Mr. Mayor
Let us examine the following.
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention National Vital Statistics report, May 20, 2010 Final Data for 2007:
• Motor-vehicle accidents accounted for 43,945 deaths
• Assault (homicide) by discharge of firearms accounted for 12,632 deaths and that includes legal intervention
This also does not take into account the law-abiding citizens that are still alive due to being able to defend themselves with the latter of the two objects listed above. It isn’t convenient to run out to your driveway, start your car, and try to defend yourself against a rapist in your bedroom with your car. Just saying.
So let me see if I understand this now. You are willing to let someone go for breaking the law while in the possession and use of an object that is 3.5 times more deadly than a firearm? And how would your fair cities police officers react if they stopped someone and discovered they had a firearm and no license to carry? Seems to me the math tells us that you would save more lives by enforcing the law you are now choosing to ignore as it relates to impounding vehicles of unlicensed drivers.
Chief Beck. Sorry, it is not your job to decide the “fairness” of a law. You are paid by the citizens to enforce the laws as written. I would agree, there is a difference between someone driving without a license because they cannot legally be issued one and someone driving after having their license revoked. The person with the revoked license at one time went through the proper process and proved they were capable of operating said motor vehicle, at least to the extent required. The person who could not legally obtain a drivers license has never demonstrated they have any ability to operate said vehicle. So you think it is fairer to turn these people loose with an object 3.5 times more deadly than a firearm?
If I lived in LA and were involved in an accident with an illegal alien without a driver’s license that had been previously stopped and let go, I would put together a legal “Dream Team 2” and sue the city for everything I could get.
You would not get much because the truth is, the city is not liable…get real. My experience tells me (Police Officer in CA)that legal and illegal people are committing crimes and infractions which includes driving without a driver’s license. The way I see it, with regards to illegal aliens being issued a driver’s license, let them get driver’s licenses. They are driving regardless. Why not have them educate themselves regarding our laws so that at the very least we have some who know the rules of the road. Another thing, brings in money for the state; they have to pay for the testing and their car insurance. All in all they are driving regardless
My friend is a cop in Edison, NJ, a city of over 100,000 people. Years ago he told me that they do something similar to this. When they pull over a driver and find out that he is an illegal alien they do not write a ticket. It is considered a waste of time since the driver will not show up for court and, if I remember correctly, they can’t spare the resources to chase down all the people with bench warrants for failure to appear in court.
So if I understand your comment correctly, crime does pay? In NJ it is too difficult to find the illegal aliens that break the law because, well, they are here illegally and have to hide, so the let them go when breaking a different law?
Is there any hope for this country?
Then the police should do what I did when involved in a fender bender with someone WOP: shake them down for cash on hand. I usually embellish the story and say that my brother has a body shop – this way I get cash and not an offer to fix the work.
Once again, there is too much generalizing here. As I mentioned before, I am A Law enforcement Officer in a big city in California. Not all “illegals” commit violent feloneous crimes as is true that not all “legal” red blooded Americans are law abiding citizens. With that said, even “illegals” are concerned about having criminal records. Especially when they have hope that that some day they might be eligible to become a US citizen. There are many “illegals” who truly love this country. Sure, many of you will say why not come to this country legally like everyone else, legally? Sure, Like those Anglo-Europeans that came to the Americas in search of freedom from their oppressive European mother country? Those who came in search of religious freedom, yet forced their reliqious beliefs on the native “Savages” of this continent? Or even those who came here due to the so called Manifest destiny belief that White America was destined to expand west towards Mexico and justify war with Mexico and taking large amounts of land? Let’s just say that some of these “illegals” are coming back to what was rightfully theirs, taken by force. Many families were affected by the taking of parts of Mexico. Most “illegals” coming to this country especially to the state of California are not here for the fine weather. They are here for the same reasons that most of your ancestors arrived to this country without invitation.
amen brother. most of these morons dont even know or spend the time to talk to someone who is here without documents. They simply repeat what they hear on F(ox)alse News channels. we all know who they are. if these people knew some of the law obiding folks out there they would never type the sh?t that they type. Its all out of bigotted views much like the stereotype of the crack addicted afro-am woman. there are others here in this country that are undocumented but for whatever reason, everyone is focused on latin americans. pure and simple….racism. Noone ever discusses the umdocs from enlgland, russia, and other euro countries because they “fit” in.
I will feel free to break any law on the books in LA and expect the LAPD to turn a blind eye towards it, just as they due to immigration violations.
It’s an issue of fairness.
If some don’t have to obey the laws, none of us do.
I invite you to come on over and see just how much you can get away with. What you fail to understand is that in some parts of LA, folks are not too concerned with these matters as they are with real crimes. So come on over…either way either the COPS will get to you or the criminals will. Does not matter though, you are too much of a coward to lay foot in LA.
These people are going down a slippery slope into complete lawlessness. Just watch for lots of lawsuits from other drivers and US citizens who question the right to disregard the law. What a bunch of NUTS!
Jack, I was a fireman in LA for 34 years. I saw unlicensed drivers everyday in accidents. Many times these unlicensed drivers would flee the scene of the accident leaving the other party to eat the cost of repairs to their vehicles (or at least their insurance company, which means we all pay). In addition I responded to many where the driver was unlicensed and DUI and the accident was a fatality to the other driver. Also you didn’t mention how many people buy cars from private parties and never register them cause their are illegal aliens. It is a much bigger problem than people realize. LA is going down the tubes. Too bad we have so many great Police Officers in LA who have their hands tied by the politicians.
All the illegal immigration costs the taxpayer a great deal of money cause our politicians are gutless wonders who pander to special groups to get votes and stay in office.
So I would like to see term limits and time limits on our politicians so they can only serve a maximum of tens years and then must return to private industry and earn an honest living. Also we must ban them from becoming lobbyists
wow. another moron who thinks he knows it all because he works in LA for 34 years. I have lived and worked here for 38 years and dont dare make generalizations like you have moron. i agree that people who break the law should be dealt with severly (specially in dui deaths). however, you neglect that fact or never work korea town or the west side, or the valey to know that everyone drives drunk and kills no matter their citizen status or driver license status. hey smart guy, guess what, people other than undocs kill also you idiot.
“Gee, I’m Dan and Ghetto Fighter, I was too dumb to become a lawyer or a doctor so I worked as a civil servant. My years of limited experience in low income neighborhoods have given me all the knowlege I need to make a blanket statement about immigration and immigrants.”
The Police Commisssion will be holding a meeting January 17
6:30 at the St. Nicholas Church, 9501 Balboa Blvd in Northridge. Please attend. Not only is Beck’s proposed policy dangerous but it is also illegal. The vehicle code does not give him, the mayor or the police commission the authority or descretion to ignore the impound law. There are a few exceptions but inconvenience and hardworking are not two of them.
As my son was murdered (after hiting him the driver tried to flee running over him)by an unlicensed driver and following this nonsense from the new Cedillo law to this it will probably take a lawsuit and a statewide initiative to overturn all this.
Mr. Dunphy,
In nearby Santa Barbara County, Santa Maria ‘boasts’ of the highest hit n runs in the country for ANY city possessing more than 80k people.
The ‘blind eye’ law you speak of for L.A. County, its been standard practice in S M for YEARS.
Suffice to say, S M has many huge repo graveyards with POS cars. Illegals, gang members and s hitty Mexican restaurants inundate this and nearby Lompoc (lovingly referred to as ‘Lompton’). Unfortunately the few decent/outstanding eateries run out of business.
The same can be said for HUNDREDS of California cities. Sad when those required to serve and protect – serve and protect aliens who flip the bird to those in uniform and the law abiding citizenry.
Santa Maria, Lompoc, police departments are so overcome with these 3rd Worlders in their neighborhoods, schools and Mexican pols.. sorry to say California’s done Mr. Dunphy.
I recommend EVERYONE do a sit-along in their city’s dispatch, it’s your tax paying right. The illegals, anchor babies that are stopped, their records run (after running their 3, 5 and more aliases as well) through dispatch and their having $500-5k, 10k and up warrant(s) for their arrest IGNORED because said warrant is for another county and the costs of a law enforcement/state to ship these POS is ‘too much’ on an already overstretched/out-of-money department/county – I’m not s hitting you.
I’m sure you’ve read UC Fresno’s VDH’s, ‘Mexifornia: A State of Becoming
You California citizens, doesn’t matter if you’re in Orange or 3rd World-like CA county, you have to exercise your Amendment rights.
You racist a-hole…California is Spanish for get the f//k out of my stolen land you a-hole. go back to europe where your eurotrash ancestors came from. you dont have to change the name to mexifornia, you just have to say the name, its already in spanish ignorant inbred idiot.
Adding insult to injury, local news reported that “immigrant rights” groups sent out a public service message yesterday reminding unlicensed drivers to drive responsibly this holiday season. You couldn’t make this stuff up.
What f___ng hypocrites we are! We’ll build fencing–maybe even electrified fencing–at our border to keep these poor people out, we’ll hound their children out of our schools, harry their sick out of our hospitals, chase their motorists off our roads and–oh, by the way, when you get a moment, Manuel, go park our cars, mow our lawns, and get your sister Josefina to look after our kids;muchas gracias.
Our hypocrisy makes me sick. If we really wanted the illegals kept out, we could come down hard on the big job providers (i.e. NOT the homeowner in the pickup looking for gardeners.) Send a few CEOs to prison, and I guarantee you the job market for illegals would dry up, muy pronto.Then we wouldn’t have to build more fencing; hell, we could tear down the fencing we already have. Of course if we cracked down on Big Agriculture, your caesar salad might cost you twenty bucks….but that’s a whole other story for another time.
Perhaps you are speaking of your hypocrisy. I have lived in both CA and TX and I don’t employ illegal immigrants to do anything for me. Yes it leaves me doing almost every job for myself, but I was raised to be self-sufficient. I can mow my own lawn, park my on car, raise my own kids.
Speaking of hypocrisy. How do you justify the impact the constant flow of a cheap labor force has on the working poor in the US? How do you rectify in your LITTLE mind that many older homeowners have to sell the home they have lived in for 40 years even though it is paid for because they can no longer afford the property taxes. The whole reason for Prop 13 was exactly that but it came after a decade of rising home values coupled with rising tax rates. You see sales tax is regressive and penalizes those very immigrants so they choose to penalize those on fixed incomes instead. How do you justify to a lower middle class family that they are paying around $1500 extra in taxes each year to support illegal immigrants in their state. That figure was from a study done in 1993 in CA. It is probably higher now. How much easier would it be for those families to afford to save for their kids’ college educations if they were able to keep that money. How do you feel about the thousands of children who share their SSN with multiple other users? People who have to use a vacation day to go and sit in the SS office and try to get it straightened out. I got a fraud letter from the IRS because I claimed the 13 year old I had claimed for 13 years, but an illegal immigrant decided to use his name/number and had already filed for EITC that year. The IRS agent assured me that nothing would be done to the immigrant ‘victim’ who had actually committed the fraud (immigrants are explicitly denied use of that program). Several people have had the IRS garnish their wages because of shared name/number problems. One man has over 50 people using his number. He is only in his 20′s, but what do you think is going to happen when he tries to claim his SS. I’d be willing to bet that one of the other users will get to it before he does.
There are plenty of victims. The one person who is not a victim is the immigrant who made the ACTIVE choice to live that life. Bad choices usually have consequences, but the consequences should be for the one who chose, not for the innocent.
Two points, Mike. 1. Some who come here illegally want to assimilate and become legal, productive citizens- such are very few in number. 2. Almost allremain mexicans living , not in America, but “in the land you stole from us.” Such will not assimilate. They come to steal all they can, by burglary, robbery, welfare, dope peddling, pimping, etc. Many have the “coup mentality), ie, they live to work mischief on the white man and get away with it. At 12.5% of the population they commit 25% of the major crimes. Lawlessness is their order of the day. They are pathologically criminal. That is to say, provided with the opportunity to violate a law, any law, they will break it. Many refuse to learn english. Religiously they are cafeteria catholics, observing only those rules of their church of choice which happen to seem convenient at a given moment.They reproduce themselves irresponsibly and often seek taxpayer subsidy of their inordinately large families.Most are selfish, greedy, lazy and dirty. “Bottom Feeders Inc.” is an apt title.Singapore has a way of dealing with such. Shall we try it?
The only thing that we agree upon is that some illegals come here and want to make themselves legal. With regards to the crime,drugs and all that other stuff things you mentioned, they are committed by people from different backgrounds regardless of legal status in this country. I know first hand, I deal with these folks. Drugs, supply and demand. If we as Americans did not desire them so much then the Mexican cartels would not be killing each other and bringing these murderers to this country to do there business. Historically in this country, so called gang were a culmination of people of the same ethnicity to protect themselves against the already established “Americans.” Same is true with prison gangs. All this changed in the mid to lat eighties when the crack epidemic arose. Gangs were lured to the easy money to be made in the sales of drugs to supply the “American” clientele. All of this is a part of American culture as is good ol apple pie, hod dogs and hamburgers…American bred. These American gangs have expanded to other American countries. A product of American culture. And as law enforcement tries to deal with gangs we have some folks (many of which are Red Blooded Americans) who feel they have to correct the many wrongs their ancestors have done in the past by fighting for their rights. Our priorities are all FU. So you see America, we have created the many issues that this forum talks about…..just keeping it real
– is a Roach Motel.
Are there any statistics or numbers out there estimating how many drivers on the freeways and streets of LA have car insurance? I’m guessing at least half don’t, the unemployed and poor and the undocumented. But I would be willing to be convinced if someone could present me with a census that a majority of drivers *do* carry mandated-by-law insurance. Otherwise, why should I bother with that additional expense myself, when I can just merrily hit&run like everyone else?
Because, Honey, your Lord commanded you to:”Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Just as it did in the Manifest Destiny?
You do realize that most of these people would get drivers’ licenses, register their cars, etc IF the law permitted them to?
You do realize that most of the politicians who frown at enforcing laws against unlicensed drivers who happen to be illegal aliens also have a problem with laws requiring a state photo ID to vote? Apparently they, usually democrats, think requiring proof positive of one’s ID for everyone to vote while voting specifically as an Hispanic or Afro-American is a civil rights violation on the order of getting deplaned for flying while Muslim and acting stupid in public or stopped and cited for no current tags when driving while black.
Mike, I recall reading a few years back of illegals and/or those on a Consular or Green card (I truly can’t remember which) in the U.S. and can file the paperwork to become legal citizens, ~10% do the paperwork – within a decade!
Your hearts in the right place, but empathy helps NO ONE.
Case in point. The Gaza Strip has been given the most monies, UN aid than ANY country on the planet the last ~10-12 years. What ‘progress’ has been made to their infrastructure, commerce, engineering marvels, educational needs, abiding to ONE, 1 concession with Israel, ad infinitum.
Mike, we don’t know that. How could we? One of the basic principles in living mexican style is to use and abuse everybody(especially whites) you can; and cackle with glee at the damage you inflict. Their principal goal in life is to demean, annoy, rip off or harm the gringo, gavacho, huero, rinche their comanche ancestors would have roasted over a slow fire.
Lets try this. Some folks , so sentenced, are supposed to be in prison.
Some folks, so born, are supposed to be in Mexico. When we encounter those escaped from prison, we put them back where they belong. When we encounter mexicans who are not in Mexico, we must put them back, where they belong.
And if they won’t stay put, we need to ship them off to the great Beyond.
I guess you have never heard of the Aryan Brotherhood, skinheads, Hells Angels, or the “American” Nazi Party. You are right. Some people do need to be in jail
Hey, Mike Reynolds—
Can you prove your statement that they would get licenses and register
their cars if the law permitted them to? I always thought that entering
the country illegally was illegal. If you’re here illegally, how can
the law be changed to give you drivers licenses and car registration?
On the other hand Reconquistas like Cedillo would probably try to
change the law into one which would make illegal aliens legal holders
of drivers licenses and car registration.
Sneak into Mexico illegally and see what happens.
if we did it en masse and still had a decent Department of Defense and Armed Forces, not a lot.
Easy enough. It wasn’t that long ago that most juridictions did not require proof of legal residence in order to issue a driver’s license (a few still might not). I remember numerous news stories from that era, concerning traffic accidents and the like, where it was stated that driver had a license, but was an undocumented alien. I repeat: having broken one big law in order to get to the US, the huge majority of illegals are eager to obey all the other laws (when we haven’t made that impossible) if only so to avoid drawing attention to themselves.
I HAVE TWO POINTS TO MAKE:
Last week I went with my son to get his learner’s permit so that he could learn to drive. My son pointed out to me that you don’t have to provide any documentation to register for the permit. Its simply not a requirement. This means that once you have passed the required tests the State will issue you a driver’s license without regard to any documentation.
This means that once you have a State driver’s license which is legal documentation you are in effect citizen of the State hence the country. That’s all that it takes to become legal in this State, California.
My second point is this. You are required by law to have a driver’s license, registered vehicle, and insurance to operate a car. If you have a traffic accident with somebody who doesn’t meet with all the requirements they are operating their car illegally. If the State doesn’t enforce the laws in this regard, the State is therefore complacent with the illegal activity. This makes the State liable for any damages and injuries. A few killer lawsuits in this respect would cure the State/County/Municipality of its wrong doing.
Oh, chinless one! See number 23, please. Ignorance can kill! I was always more impressed when you were Oscar.
THANK GOD FOR 3% @ 50, I AM SO HAPPY TO BE OUT.
OUTSTANDING WORK JACK.
BE SAFE BROTHER.
More privileges for illegals. Let us count a few more: no need for an ID to vote, get medical treatment, work, food stamps,getting a mortgage, joining the military, welfare, or go to school. No arrests for misdemeanors, family abuse, or traffic violations. No death penalty. Early release from prison for a hero’s return to home country and then the ability to return without consequence. No consequences for traffic violations. 100% exemption from the payment of taxes, filing tax returns, or other government imposed hardships. No zoning violations.
The list is endless.
You are wrong see this http://www.testquestionsandanswers.com/learners-permit/california.html
The DOJ and states that selectively nullify the laws they are sworn to uphold are undermining their own legitimacy. If they can pick and chose what laws they like, then what is there to stop everyone else from doing exactly the same thing?
Only force.
California has been digging it’s own grave for years. They still haven’t found out socialism doesn’t work. The sad thing is that the people leaving there for other parts of the country still hold those socialist beliefs and are screwing up the places they move to.
All the other states can help themselves by deporting all their illegals to California. The residents of California apparently accept the costs of these illegals rather than taking action against them.
and we’ll be stronger for it. thats why your economy is POS. dumb texan just like bush. that idiot couldnt even speak his native tongue (english). thats texan education for you. BTW, you are an illegal living in stolen mexican soil. move and go to the ECoast or Europe.
without undocument labor during WW2 this country would be in the shi?tter. so how bout some gratitute moron. look it up!!! rosy the riveter and your mother were getting screwed by a mexican laborer while your fathers were away.
All the white self-pity in here is truly disgusting; it ranks right up there with German self-pity in the 1930s. Or Arab self-pity in any era. Does Whiskey or anyone else here have evidence–hard evidence–that illegals are bribed to vote on a scale large enough to affect elections? By hard evidence I mean links to newspaper articles etc. about people being arrested, indicted, or convicted for such activity?
The Orange country US house Representative race is a beautiful example of this. I think that Gloria Molina was running against the incumbent nick named B1 Bob. She was elected and later it was proved that many of the votes were cast by undocumented aliens. This happened during the Clinton administration and when it was brought up before congress, it was summarily cast aside. Nobody knows how many illegals cast votes during the last Presidential election. I have no doubt that if those votes, the ghost votes, the multiple cast votes by individuals in organizations such as ACORN, Obama would not be President. It was a tight margin and two percent can easily be manipulated. If you don’t agree look at Nevada where Reid was hated but still got elected.
all of a sudden there is a problem, but when lil bush got “reelected” due to florida, no one cared…..pendejo
Your racism is even more disgusting.
Did the Acorn evil escape you?
Lets say motivated, rather than bribed. Look at Reids victory in Nevada. He is about the sorriest excuse for a US Senator that ever existed, but he won in a landslide! Because the unions who own him ordered their unwashed masses to vote for Reid( as often as possible) or “they” will Right To Work us and your incomes will zero out. Promises of Amnesty, vengeance against the filthy Whites, the Demonrats cornucopia of welfare goodies are also strong incentives for illegals to vote demonratic.
Yesterday in Denver I went to renew my license plates, when I got to the counter and I was asked for my Dr. License OR I.D. I wasn’t asked for my insurance or my emmisions, just Dr. License OR I.D. I laughed at the lady behind the counter and asked her “wouldn’t I be in trouble if I didn’t have a Dr. Licenese? She looked at me coldly and repeated, “Dr. License OR ID.” I produced my Dr. License and repeated my question, and then she told me “Having a Dr. License is not a requirement for registering a vehicle.” I was flabbergasted.
Because it did not occur to you that some, who own cars, cannot safely drive them due to physical disabilities; but have others drive for them.
And, many very busy people have employees, family, etc., make their car registrations, bank deposits, mailings, appointments for them.Live in mother-in-laws are helpfull here, too, if driven to the DMV by a teenager.
you were flabbergasted cuz your an idiot. registering private property not necessarily for use as a driving conveyance but for “colletors purposes” should not have to require an ID or driv licens.
get real…..
Sorry, it’s a long comment thread and I didn’t read it all. But I’m not sure anyone’s brought up what I think may be a probable cause of this policy. Say there are 600,000 unlicensed drivers in LA: if 1 percent of them get stopped for driving without a license, that is 6000 cars to be impounded. It takes up a lot of real estate to store them, a lot of tow trucks to haul them, etc., etc. I suspect the mayor’s just looking at that as much as anything.
Your argument might be valid if there was no income from the impoundments, but the reality is different which is probably why no one brought up that argument.
LAPD are overlooking property and human rights because who is resposnsible for damage, injury and death in their failures and deliberate car accidents. The Allstate mayhem man? And the congress and the takeover president just added more roaving roadblocks by the TSA. Do they want my papers at these stops? They don’t want voters to show photo ID but this OK? Tell this president that we are running out of our prescription of stupid pills. We are catching on. I pray.
Jack, if I were the appointing authority, YOU would be Chief in LA!
Mr. Dunphy is probably too smart to take the job.
How would you like to be police chief and have the likes of Mr. Villaraigosa breathing down your neck?
Reeeelaaaxxxx. Just because he has a page here. dont start kissing his arse. he aint that bright, he can just put words together better than others; including you.
To Horrible Harry: I wouldn’t! As a fifth level supervisor in a large department I was bugged, daily, by political types and their punks in chief’s clothing. It was distracting, discouraging, and wearing.I lasted 42 years; but another ten minutes and I probably would have lost it. But I sense that Jack is a much better man than I, and he could handle the Adam Henrys without calling in a 997.
White tiger if you were in a department for 42 years, you were there when it was predominently white. Who did you blame then for being mistreated? And what is a 5th level supervisor? Are you trying to say you were the same management level that you say is bowing to politicians?
That is why after 30 years as a Los Angeles police officer I retired and moved with my family to North Carolina (NC). I have been here ten years and love it. The local law enforcement and NC State Highway Patrol and the courts strictly enforce a similar law here and it has led to a reduction in traffic accidents and deaths. We have the largest illegal population in the south and the same problems we just take the time to enforce the law.
And in those 15 years, becuz you only worked not lived here, you didnt learn sht. good riddens hillbillie. LA is busier than your sleepy ass state and town or backwater district. if you dislike la and cali so much, stop collecting your pension free loader. you probably didnt do sh?t while you worked here. most white guys dont. thay all fake injuries, hide out, and collect on injuries while on duty.
Charlie has lost all credibility. His PC and alliance with the mayor is way beyond the scope of his job. Shame,shame on you Beck.
Once again we change the laws to accomodate the law breakers because it’s the PC thing to do and anything else would be political suicide…and simply because the majority of them are illegal and a minority. What’s next a “get out of jail free” card if you rob a 7-11 if you’re an illegal or minority because you are “just trying to feed your family” with the money you just jacked someone up for….time for a renaming to….MEXIFORNIA