Keep Guantanamo Open, Mr. President
When it comes to President Obama’s campaign promise to close down the Guantanamo Bay detention center, many supporters were quick to praise his reversal of President Bush’s policy. Those champions of terrorists’ rights are singing a different tune now that they’re facing the real life implications of such an action — namely, the very real possibility that some of the world’s most dangerous and depraved minds will be relocated to their own backyards.
The Obama administration and liberal Democrat leadership claim the closure of the facility is imperative to overhauling America’s image abroad. President Obama has evidenced his desire to appeal to other countries from his remarks criticizing his own nation while overseas during his European tour. But the United States needs to ask itself why it is seeking the role of Miss Congeniality at times when actions that may (or may not) improve our global stature endanger the safety and well-being of American citizens.
How does the closure of Gitmo make Americans safer? It doesn’t. Our president plans to shut down the facility with no plan forward once the doors close permanently, except to bring some of the dangerous men currently held behind its walls onto American soil. Some critics contend that concerned conservatives are grossly exaggerating the security issue. If that is the case, then why haven’t other nations the Obama administration is so eager to please — nations adamantly decrying the existence of the facility — stepped up to help offer a solution and accept the detainees?
Because they’re not stupid! They do not want to throw out the welcome mat to trained, unrepentant terrorists who have dedicated themselves to murder and destruction. Hence our current predicament. Yet the Obama administration is so eager to win brownie points with foreign countries that it is willing to sacrifice the safety of its own. Unfortunately, this administration is so firmly plugged into campaign mode and unplugged from reality, it is not aware that a major problem in U.S. prisons is recruiting by radical Muslims within the prison system. What happens if you add to that prison system the most effective terrorist recruiters in world history? Once on American soil and in our federal prison system, their world of manipulation reopens.
During my trip latest trip to Gitmo a few months ago, I was made aware of the conniving efforts of detainees to successfully throw urine or feces onto our U.S. military guards about three dozen times a day. I was aghast, and as a former law and order judge, I wanted to know what was being done. It turns out that the soldiers are not allowed to react at all. One guard allowed his immediate anger to bring forth a retort of “You (??) terrorist,” and he received an Article 15 (non-judicial punishment of restriction and extra duty). The commander said that in most prisons an inmate assaulting a guard would be placed in isolation. However, there are so many international groups whose biggest concern is that these terrorists not be placed into isolation that it never occurs. They do usually lose a couple of hours of their movie watching privileges or, if it is a bad enough incident, lose a couple of their several hours outside.
The lowest for of stupidity is weakness in the face of the enemy. Obama, is not just weak, he is weakness itself.
Obama does not identify with America and never has. Obama is the real problem. When we get attacked again we need to hold him accountable for gutting our defenses.
Congressman Gohmert:
“These terrorists have declared war on our way of life and are proud of their roles in the attacks. They will not stop until they destroy us or we put them back into Pandora’s Box.”
Agreed.
We owe these enemies no more than what we gave the German saboteurs landed on Long Island and captured out of uniform during WWII.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_parte_Quirin
If you have need of someone to tie the hangman’s noose, I’m your man, and will do the work gratis.
There are several rocks in Lake Superior that we could build a prison on. Michigan needs the jobs and these guys need a place to stay where their infection will not spread to others.
We used to quaratine ships until we were sure that they were not bringing a plague. I can think of few more dangerous plagues than Radical Islam. They could sit out there until we are sure that don’t pose a chance of spreading the putrid virus that they carry.
Note to Obama: Think first then act!!!
“Those champions of terrorists’ rights are singing a different tune now that they’re facing the real life implications of such an action”
These so-called champions never really gave a damn about fighting terrorism. They are only bitter that America is a more powerful and wealthier nation. If it’s not one thing, it will be another. Today it’s Guantanamo—and tomorrow they will find another excuse to shove something else into our faces. This idiocy is premised almost entirely on anti-Americanism.
Well, first of all, just for fun I suggest that the Mecca arrow be mounted on a twirling gamepiece of some kind. Just to give them something to fill their time.
Actually an argument could be made that since the world is a sphere you can get to Mecca from any point going any direction.
Secondly, I suggest that the question posed by Rep. Gohmert be answered: “Have we so lost the stomach for defending ourselves that we have no chance of perpetuating a peaceful national existence?”
Then those who have, in fact, lost the stomach for defending themselves, need to be (1) publicly identified and (2) ignored while (3) American adults start dealing with the damage they have already inflicted.
Political correctness requires endless meaningless conversations.
Setting aside political correctness allows us to say what is so and, just perhaps, begin to experience again some success in confronting real issues and communicating real ideas–ala Dick Cheney over the last 10 ten days.
“It is also not far-fetched to have fellow terrorists decide that the next attack needs to be in the community nearest where the terrorists are being held, demanding their release or threatening further local murder on a broad scale.”
This is an important point. We’ll have the equivalent of the Russian Beslan situation. Any of the small towns near the big federal prisons could easily be captured/threatened by a relatively small gang of terrorists, even quite inept terrorists. They would then hold the town or the children in the schools of the town hostage, demanding that the detainees in the prison be released. It would be quite irrelevant to the detainees whether or not the terrorists holding the schoolchildren end up alive or dead or whether the schoolchildren end up alive or dead. So there would be no possibility of a good result. Surely Obama must know this. Why can’t some reporter ask this question at the next press conference?
Well, no fears because [thank goodness] 0bama appointed none other ‘Bill Gates’ as Secretary Of Defense!
I dunno ’bout-choo, but, I feel so much safer knowing that!
Those terrorists throwing crap on the guards should have their faces rubbed in it. Those who have committed barbarous atrocities should be hanged and cremated and their ashes fed to pigs. Let the 72 virgins deal with that.
And,yes,Snake eater,Barak Obama has never identified with America. So,the next question is,Why did he want to be President?
President Obama talks out of both sides of his mouth, yet he still wants to close Gitmo & still keep it open! The man is just a darker version of John Kerry.
Gitmo is the perfect place for terrorists; otherwise, the new ones will be killed on the battle field.
President Obama would rather give the terrorists to his Trial Lawyer Democrat donors & unleash them on the United States; this will weaken us as a nation.
President Obama is a demagogue searching for his Cult of Personality. He is no great leader except in his own very tiny, isolated mind.
“How does the closure of Gitmo make Americans safer? It doesn’t.”
In the speech yesterday, Obama made it clear that he perceives himself as a seeker of justice. Obama has ruled that Gitmo is a symbol of injustice, and concludes that he must destroy it. In the philosophical world of his rhetoric, Gitmo has become an abstraction, an Auschwitz.
If Obama truly believes this, questions are no longer relevant to him…
What happened to my comment? I used no profanity and I made some legimate points.
11. Sebastian Shaw:
“President Obama is a demagogue searching for his Cult of Personality.”
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You got that right! DohBama signed off the credit bill today with his usual ‘pen for each letter of his name’ ego trip. No, he can’t just give one pen per full signature on a bill to someone like Bush and other Presidents did. Mr. Ego-manaic had to top it! That’s how ‘special’ B00-B00 is! He’s a Supah-Dupah-Stah! Any lowly peon who gets the ‘B’ pen or the ‘O’ pen is ‘specially lucky! Happy, Happy, JOYYY, Joyyyy, Joyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
Maybe he should start handing out his sweaty neck scarves ala Elvis too whilst he’s at it.
Thank you for this and thankfully Cheney threw some punches after the ONE talked. I think these punches have turned the tide.
Delia, as shown by some of the trolls on here, they’d sleep with the sweaty old Obama scarf!! EEWWW
They post them on here, this isn’t HuffPo!
PROFESSOR OBAMA’S IDEOLOGY IS DUMB
Placing the world’s most dangerous terrorists on American soil is stupid.
http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/05/fbi-director-mueller-is-right-obama-is.html
16. Ms. Attitude:
“Delia, as shown by some of the trolls on here, they’d sleep with the sweaty old Obama scarf!! EEWWW”
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GAH! -And, his sycophants would never wash it much like Lewinsky and her slick Billy blue dress. Double ewwwwwww.
In reality, I highly doubt ‘The Zero’ would allow his DNA released accidentally by tossing someone his sweaty scarf [much like he blocked his birth cert/thesis/writings/grades et al from access]. Why? Because Barry’s DNA would prove he was born of a jackal.
I was kiddinnnnnng.
Really!
Obama’s Defense Secretary calls Gitmo a state of the art facility that must be closed because of the taint . These prisoners are going to be moved from this facility, where they enjoy wonderful weather and a diet better than 99% of the world’s population, into a brutal maximum security prison within the United States where they will be cut off from daylight and fed slop.
They believe this public relations problem ( which could be solved with a comptetent explanation as to who is at Gitmo and why) will go poof once the prisoners are out of sight.
In fact the taint will get worse when the “human rights” groups report on the brutal conditions in maximum security prisons.
Within two years Obama’s treatment of these prisoners will be compared unfavorably with the treatment afforded them by Bush.
In the speech yesterday, Obama made it clear that he perceives himself as a seeker of justice.
A seeker of justice? Hilarious. He’s moving the prisoners from a state of the art facility, in a wonderful climate, to a brutal maximum security prison because he’s got a public relations problem ( which he and his party created with their dishonest and clueless attacks on Bush.)
Well are we ‘safer’ if the Cuban jail is shut down or is the question can we be just as safe if the nut jobs are put some place in the US. Maybe and I would say yes for a time until parole; but I don’t think we are safe no matter what prison these folks are incarcerated at. Look at the prison break in Mexico, I think Money talks right? well for now in Mexico LOL.
The ones on the loose are the problem and you better be very afraid, they want all of us dead. Like Women, children, our friends and family members. Do you remember 2001 before all the political fodder when we were one as Americans, some don’t remember however; some of you now fear the ones locked up so I say what ever fools, it’s your family and friends not mine if you can’t figure out were the Danger is.
Better get a grip and arm your self’s with a gun and some ammo, buy food for a week minimum and watch your surroundings and yes profile the Muslim freaks.
To my anti-American Lefty friends:
The PC correctness that some of you espouse will kill many more of you with these Mohammad pedophile swine freaks. I have no feelings for you or the enemies of the USA. So let them clean up the breading pool and make your women slaves.
Oh by the way all you pansies get one free head cutting from the guy Mohammad the pedophile and the secret is that guy isn’t in Jail at Gitmo so do you feel safe now?
Mohammad crossed the southern Boarder in AZ last year with his fun gear and loyal friends so good luck infidels, Mohammad is coming soon to your area.
This is just a Joke really hear me giggling
Obama argued today at the US Naval Academy graduation ceremony that “”We uphold our fundamental principles and values [...] not because they feel good, but because they help keep us safe.”
How’d that splendid sounding theory work on 9/11? If one follows Obama’s logic, then one must conclude that the reason the Jihadis lash out violently is because we’re not living up to “our fundamental principles and values”. You see, they’re just crestfallen idealists who woke up one day and learned that Americans had forgotten their values — so Bin Laden and a bunch of other blokes decided to fly planes, filled with those lapsed Americans, into a few buildings filled with other lapsed Americans.
Taken to its conclusion, this means that the Jihadis are actually the most fervent supporters of America’s “fundamental principles and values” — and if we only were worthy of their esteem rather than their unmitigated hatred, we wouldn’t suffer terrorism at their hands.
Representative Gohmert, I’m proud to be one of your constituents. You make very cogent points, particularly about those countries most up-in-arms about Gitmo not being overly eager to provide care for these poor, misguided souls in their own countries. This article a very complimentary jab to the uppercut the former Vice-President threw yesterday.
I would actually feel a little sorry for ex-Gitmo detainees were they shipped to District 1 and somehow managed to find themselves *outside* the concertina wire. The locals here are much less accomodating to their worldview than they are to escapees in Yemen, and probably better armed. Wherever they go in the United States (if it comes to that) their prison will serve as much to protect them from us as it will to protect us from them.
Congressman Gohmert:
By the way, could you possibly use your Minutes to publicly ask Barack Obama to produce his vault-copy “Certificate of Live Birth” for inspection?
Millions of Americans and legal aliens have to, as no doubt do thousands in your home district.
Why is he allowed to get away with not having to prove that he is a natural-born citizen, and therefore qualified for his office?
Obama could use a psychiatrist to liberate him from the angst that disturbs his guilt ridden mind. Preferrably one not themself an alumnus of a liberal college. In some cases one might feel a bit guilty concerning overreacting to foreign threats but in the case of Islamofascist terrorism the point is moot. They should be sent to their 72 virgins without the usual accompaniment of innocent civilians. Instead they get 3 squares a day on a tropical island. Meanwhile Obama sighs like a paranoid schizophrenic thinking he just killed Jesus. Excuse me Mr. President these guys are scum. Oh did I forget to tell you that many were released for being benign? Yeah Obama released several inmates but our illustrious media forgot to tell us that under the reign of Darth Vader AKA Dick Cheney and his accomplice Dubya they released three times as much. I read it in the WSJ. Amazing how important information goes unreported these days. With stuff like this no wonder some are confused. Everyone demands that Gitmo should be closed but none will take them. Not in my backyard. Who could blame them? Why would anyone put a giant bullseye on their city? Gitmo really is a great place to put these global maniacs. Hey if they want to blow it up they’d have to screw up Cuba. Better Cuba then Des Moines. We could put them in Alcatraz but then Pelosi might use them for an Orgy. Abu Ghraib all over again? They say arabs and blacks have the biggest members. If she needs one to accommodate her ego it’ll have to be enormous. Yeah let’s put them in SF bay. Maybe they’ll nuke that Sodom-like town and help rid us of lots of anti-Americans.
torture is an absolute necessity when you have to find someone to confess to a crime you yourself committed.
for instance, now that israelis are going public with their decision to abandon their morals, they may get desperate enough to do the next 9/11 that some neocons are calling for.
very good, and no skin off anyone’s nose since we’ve all reverted back to “might makes right” as the only moral principle.
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but, if the neocons are gonna do… say… a nuke false flag on america, you gots to have a patsy and a show trial, and you got to have someone who’s willing to confess since you’re gonna be kinda skimpy on evidence against him, in view of the fact that he’s innocent.
so a confession is pretty much necessary, and nobody in their right mind is gonna confess to doing a nuke terrorist attack on america.
the solution being, torture someone until he’s so loopy he’ll confess to doing your false flag.
simple
preferably you’ll torture someone who’s connected to an oily arab country, or maybe a russian, pakistani or iranian… someone the media can blow up into a threat to western civilization… someone who will be able to stir up enough hatred that we can justify bombing the terrorist haven-of-the-day into rubble.
it oughta still work… it worked just fine in afghanistan and iraq.
at some point you’ve got to ask yourself… “if western civilization becomes barbaric in defending itself, is it still “civilization” and is it worth defending?”
once you ask yourself that question, the way forward becomes clear: abandon the moral definitions of “civilization”, revert to “might makes right”, and proceed with your project.
this is not rocket science, folks.
this is stone age stuff.
I live abroad and the only reason anyone in the entire world holds the image of Guantanamo in their heads is because the US media and the Democrats his highness included prattle on incessantly about it. If the US took it out of our face the world would forget it even exists within 5 minutes. It appears that Gitmos is for the US one of those work out machines where the US ‘exercises’ its own concious and at the same time flagellates GWB memory. GITMO IS SIMPLY AN EXERCISE IN US DOMESTIC POLITICS.
given the brute mentality demonstrated by our leaders, i guess we have to assume we’re headed back to the stone age, one way or another…
…the implication being, the leaders think peak oil and global warming are gonna be the pits.
if we were still civilized (if we ever were), we might have been able to make the most of our remaining resources to deal with peak oil and the climate…
…which would have involved lots of global cooperation.
since we’ve become israeli america, it doesnt look like there’s much chance of that.
send the terrorists back where they came from and let their country’s deal with them. they should be heros in their homies’ eyes. they knew going in there was a chance they would get kilt, so why not give them their wish? we have enough illegals running around in gangs already here. the tatoo parlors are claiming a shortage of black ink because of gang art.
terry gain: we’re all tainted, it’s that little patch of skin……. now that’s funny.
This from — of all places — Newsweek magazine, concerning a closed meeting that The One held with some of his liberal base:
“At another point, Obama surprised some of those present by suggesting that his aides had received poll results showing that the American people were still behind him on national security and the war on terror. Obama told the group that the poll showed “50 percent believe Obama is doing more to protect security than Bush had,” one source present said. Only 25 percent of those polled thought Bush had done more to protect security, according to the figures cited by Obama, the source added.
Asked about the poll, White House spokesman Ben LaBolt said the White House does not conduct polls. Pressed on where the figures the president cited came from, LaBolt said the White House does not normally comment on what takes place in private meetings.”
Can it be? Is The One acutally making up poll results?
The imploding begins in force . . . . .
banned by huff po: according to the news, jomambo has his own news crew that films the dips’ private meetings so they can edit out any miscues and other flubs, thus making the jive king look “goot” on his website and probably msm venues.
How do you take enemy combatants, captured on battlefields, and terrorists, rendered from foreign soil and place them in American prisons without benefit of a conviction in a fair trial. Enemy combatants are not candidates for a trial in the American judicial system. They have not been accused of violating any American law. The renditions are more troubling. Prisoners who have been rendered to U.S. custody have rights. As these rights have not been extended to them, introducing them into the U.S. judicial system places them in jeopardy of being released.
Closing Gitmo is a Hobson’s Choice. Keep Gitmo open!
35 Banned by Huffpo (and I’m glad you were! because I can’t deal with reading more than 2 seconds of Huffpo a month…and I enjoy your comments)
Newsweek must have missed their afternoon Koolaid appointment.
Yes, we all know that safety and security are the most important things, because we Republicans are such little sissy nancy-boys. Mommy, mommy please keep Guantanamo opened, I’m so scared!
God, you people are pathetic. Is there anybody on this page who at least served in the military? At least then you’d just be an idiot, and not an idiotic pant-crapping coward.
please dont post that last comment of mine, or this one.
Oscar Wao’s comment deserves better.
since the management refused to honor my plea, here’s the quote (paraphrased) from vietnam that i posted in answer to oscar’s post…
“we have to destroy the country to save it.”
there’s got to be a correlation between morals and the length of time people spend in one place.
it appears that israelis dont have an appreciation for the attachment to land people form after generations and generations have been fed and protected by the same piece of land… and so have no appreciation for the function of morals in a functioning culture.
and even though americans have been uprooted in service of corporate requirements for a mobile labor force, it could be that some americans have formed an attachment to their particular place in america.
if america is to be sacrificed to serve israel, that’s gonna go hard on the radical israeli americans that are driving this project.
in keeping with the tradition of jewish persecution myths, this situation can be manipulated into a new persecution myth to replace the holocaust, which seems to be fraying around the edges.
this is a comedy site, isnt it?
http://www.imeem.com/johndholley/music/-4dDTQNv/dougie-maclean-caledonia/
Obama’s reasoning that Gitmo and waterboarding is keeping America unsafe from terrorists is totally flawed. Gitmo happened years after Taliban and Al Qaida waged war on the West. And, Clinton started renditions which were exponentially harsher on the terrorists detainees than waterboarding ever could be.
It’s like Obama thinks the American people are so stupid that he can say whatever he wants, without any hint of accuracy, historical factuality or logic, and the American people will believe him. Sadly, those who still are in awe of him and have been enraptured by the messiah effect, are lost causes no matter what facts they’re given, and these brainwashed fools would follow Obama over the cliff, a la Jim Jones, with no hesitation. The problem is, he’s not going to jump. He’ll lead you to the edge, then watch you all fall.
Hitlerian groupthink — we’re in dangerous waters, folks.
in the meantime, the simple thing to do is write the whole operation off to ashkenazi racial supremacism.
Yeah, that was pretty right on the money. They should make t-shirts and baseball caps. Mommy, Keep the lights on and don’t close Guantanamo! Ha. Pant-crapping cowards is right. Not an Iraq vet in the lot. Big government, please save me [but please don't do it with my taxes. How would I afford all of gay and child pornography?]
47. Mable Stofalees:
“Yeah, that was pretty right on the money. They should make t-shirts and baseball caps. Mommy, Keep the lights on and don’t close Guantanamo! Ha”
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As dire as the topic is, that tharrrrrrrrrr was comedy gold, Mable!
Delia. I’m afraid you’re too stupid to know when you’re being made fun of. I’m here to help. You’re being made fun of.
49. Oscar Wao:
“Delia. I’m afraid you’re too stupid to know when you’re being made fun of. I’m here to help. You’re being made fun of.”
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Evidence, D00ftard? You are one thick brick.
Here’s another big problem with closing Gitmo:
The majority of the “prisoners” have gotten so fat that they are too humiliated to home.
Imagine the scene, as Abdul returns to his small village in Pakistan.
“Hey my brother Abdul, praise Allah the peaceful that you have returned by Allah’s grace to your home! But Abdul, what has happened to you? You leave skinny like goat, and come home with huge fat belly like infidel American!”
“Yes my brother Achmed, is terrible, those infidels at Gitmo force me to eat many many things we not have here. Ever hear of ‘Ben & Jerry’s'? Is terrible cold sweet thing the infidels call ‘ice cream’. How about ‘pizza-pie’? Awful bread-like thing with some type of red sauce, cheese, and spices that give Abul bad breath. It was torture, I tell you!”
WIngnuts – What do you think of General Petraeus now that he has agreed that Gitmo should be closed?
Gitmo is a vacation spot compared to our supermaxes. Close this blight on our American psyche now.
I am a registered republican since 1976.
Just viewed your comments from the floor of the house on cspan, wow I have never seen a more ignorant elected official on the facts in my life.
Your bottom line I agree on, but wow do you sound void of real facts and just really, uh, not well spoken.
You are not the future of our party.