Justice Roberts’ Reckless Restraint?
Conservatives, Constitutionalists, and originalists grew increasingly alarmed as word trickled from the Supreme Court yesterday that Chief Justice John Roberts had voted with “the liberals” to uphold the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act — four months before the election! Roberts has handed President Obama a victory on his singular legislative accomplishment, they said, and abandoned all reason in calling the individual mandate a “tax,” though even Congress didn’t call it that when the bill was passed.
Even wobbly Justice Anthony Kennedy joined the conservative stalwarts Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas, and Antonin Scalia in deriding Roberts for rewriting ObamaCare to save it. Their dissenting opinion was simple: Congress calls the fee for refusing to purchase insurance a “penalty,” so that’s what it is. Roberts shouldn’t try to make it something lawmakers didn’t intend.
Indeed, when the president peddled his plan, he repeatedly denied creating a new tax. But before the Court, when the future of the law hung in the balance, the administration argued that if the Court could not uphold it on constitutional “commerce clause” grounds, then perhaps it could be considered part of Congress’ constitutional taxing power. The dissenters argue against such obvious dissembling, and note that the Court has “never held — never — that a penalty imposed for violation of the law was so trivial as to be in effect a tax.”
Roberts agreed with his conservative colleagues that Congress has no power to command consumers to buy insurance, since the “commerce clause” can’t regulate failure to engage in commerce. Having rejected the government’s main argument, and saved us from a hellish future of untrammeled congressional power, he felt compelled to grapple with the administration’s Plan B — the tax gambit. There, his deference to the legislative branch supported by a long history of precedent stayed his hand from striking down the law.
Was this capitulation? Is he irrational or cowardly? Off his meds? You decide.
Here’s a brief summary of the reasoning that led him to conclude the individual mandate is a tax, and thus within the power of Congress.
1. It’s not the court’s job to evaluate the wisdom or practicality of a law, merely to determine whether it violates the Constitution.
2. Respecting the separation of powers, the Court should make every reasonable effort to uphold legislation.
3. The government’s fall-back justification for the individual mandate was the power of Congress “to lay and collect taxes…to provide for the…general welfare of the United States.” (Article 1, Section 8 )
4. No matter what the law calls the individual mandate, if it looks like a tax and quacks like a tax, it’s a tax.
5. The “shared responsibility payment” for failure to buy health insurance is collected by the IRS, based on income, and clears the payor of responsibility to the law. If it were just a penalty, the payor would be considered guilty of unlawful activity before the bar of justice. But under ObamaCare, you’ve done your civic duty even if you fail to buy insurance, so long as you pay the fee.
6. Because it’s a tax, Congress may impose it without offending the Constitution’s enumeration of powers.
For years, conservatives have argued that the Supreme Court should not decide cases based on ideology or personal preference, but upon the text of the Constitution, and upon established precedent under that charter. Justices should not legislate from the bench.
While judicial lawmaking is exactly what Justices Alito, Thomas, Kennedy, and Scalia accuse Roberts of doing, he asserts precisely the opposite. He refrains from overturning a law that, clearly, he considers ill-advised, badly crafted, and ultimately doomed.
His reckless restraint, as some might view it, is anchored in the doctrine of separation of powers. He also telegraphs to his readers that the way to deal with this offensive law is near at hand, in November.
While I would prefer an outcome that supports my principles, and advances the cause of my party, my primary allegiance must be to the process established under the “supreme law of the land.”
The easier solution to a vexing problem is to have someone powerful remove it. The hard way calls for devotion, on your part, to upholding our values — using our constitutional prerogative to replace the incompetent, the corrupt, and the compromised.
If we should fail to do so this November, our whining about Roberts’ betrayal will do nothing to stop the onslaught of ObamaCare. And in the near future, when a law comes along that we wish to see upheld, we’ll be grateful for the precedent set by Roberts’ reasonable restraint.
Also read Christian Adams: “Today, the Court flinched from that obligation, in part because of decades of conservatives repeating the empty and now obsolete admonition against ‘legislating from the bench.’”






Scott, I think I’m starting to come around to this way of thinking. Congress can pretty much tax what it cares to. Roberts is correct that if we don’t like what the bums are taxing, we ought to throw them out and put in better bums.
the problem with this reasoning is that the new bums quickly become as bad as the old bums.
Roberts would agree, stargirl, and note that this is why the throwing cycle is just two years.
Live the Freedom,
Scott Ott
Obama tweeted that healthcare reform is still a BFD (Big Freaking Deal). The President is also selling T-shirts that say the same thing. Selling the Vice President’s vulgar description of his feelings about Obamacare. It is a clear sign Barack Obama is not dumping Biden.
A deal implies an agreement and benefits to both parties. There is no benefit to the American people when they are mandated to stop being “free riders” (quote from Nancy Pelosi) and forced to buy something they don’t want. The Supreme Court is right that there is one thing we have to do that we don’t want to even though it is patriotic according to Vice President Biden: Taxes.
I suggest a new sloagn in light of the Supreme Court ruling.
SCOTUS says “Healhcare Reform is a BFT!” Big Freaking TAX!
The Highest court of the country has spoken as President Obama has said. I say we take him up on that.
Just like shampoo: rinse and repeat.
The problem is that Roberts rewrote the law to make it constitutional.
It would have been fine if he had voted to overturn and told Congress how to make it constitution. But he did not do that. He arrogated the position of Supreme Legislation to himself, which is not conservative in any meaning of that word.
Further, all of the people excusing him and or trying to find a silver lining are delusional. This was a horrible horrible decision that creates terrible precedent for small government advocates while at the same time not constraining the socialists in the least.
The idea that it was some Machiavellian move that guarantees Romney victor in November is simultaneously sickening and delusional.
Sickening because those celebrating that view are putting temporary partisan advantage ahead of principle.
Delusional because it is just as likely to depress conservative turnout as increase it, after all why vote at all when we always get a progressive pos anyway. And it completely ignores the fact that Obama will lie his ass off about the benefits of the law and use those lies to mobilize his own base.
No, I would have to disagree. I have read the opinion, and I think Roberts applied legal principals, precedents, and the Constitution as written, and arrived at a decision according to the law, again as written. I may not like the outcome, but I cannot object to the method. As a conservative, this is how I WANT the courts to function.
In the meantime, we need to Remember Plan A. Elect Romney, and elect conservative Republicans to Congress, and repeal the damn thing. That has ALWAYS been Plan A.
If, as you say, he applied “legal principals,” it is regrettable that he didn’t apply “legal principles.”
Error noted. Congratulations. Is my argument any less valid?
speaking of “PRINCIPLES”..which I have come to believe do not exist in politicians, judges, etc..?

WILL Michelle, the OBAMA kids, reps, senators, judges etc..be participating in this great debacle of a health care plan like the rest of America will be??
If not, I think it would make me angrier than what Roberts did..
Then you are a fool.
The opinion is a fine example of specious reasoning to rationalize a predetermined position.
The fact that so many supposed conservative are accepting this power grab is more evidence that our country is doomed.
Quote for me then the sections of the opinion you consider to be invalid, and why. Forgive me for not taking your word for it, but ‘because I think so’ isn’t a valid argument.
The idea that the penalty is really a tax is complete nonsense as noted by someone much smarter than either of us
The defense of Roberts is all the more mindboggling because it undermines the credibility of the four conservative jurists that got the issue right.
Who said that quote attributed, Josh?
Editing error. Who said that Josh? Or to whom is that quote attributed, Josh. Take your pick.
You are making even more of a fool of yourself.
It was read in court by Justice Kennedy and concurred by Alito, Thomas and Scalia.
If you think so. Out of an opinion of 193 pages, I don’t think it is unthinkable not to recognize two paragraphs. My interest lay in analyzing the majority opinion, which carries force of law. We all have to have our own priorities.
Josh,
I recognized the “Voice of Clarence” in that minority opinion, BUT….
The problem is, the OTHER supporters, I believe supported it specifically under Commerce provision.
Scary stuff, much more scary than the (arguable) tax/not tax issue.
I hate to say it, but Obama probably had exactly this kind of split in mind.
A patently false, intended to fail “defense” under Commerce where he picks up the Expected Traitors
(like his Nobel Peace Prize, just” because”)
But with it being so convolutedly funded, he needed only 1 of 5 to see the labyrinth of taxing provisions as a plausible muster.
Gaming the system. Lying to the court. False arguments. Hidden agenda.
Its like Roe and Kelo.
They have no honor, they depend upon OUR honesty a peg to hang their deceit.
And Win, by whatever means necessary.
Just for point of reference, Roberts addressed just that in his arguement. He said that because it was to be collected by the IRS (among other reasons) it was a tax and not a penalty. That was just one point among others.
We thought for a while that conservatives are wimps..but, actually have come to see that they are part of this government “take over”…
We believe all of “this” is calculated working together…on both sides. Too many things have gotten past conservatives.
Roberts was in the right place at the right time..intentionally.
We elect an unknown to lead our country to socialism?..by accident????
Nikita said they would conquer us from the inside..never having to fire a shot..\\
Come up with all the “what evers”, “you’re wrong/i’m right” language, opinions etc..you want to.
It simply boils down to…we are in trouble
This is not my posting, but I was floored reading this other posting by Doug Loss in a previous blog. It bears repeating:
“Doug Loss: When does the next Constitutional challenge to this law start? If the Court declared the mandate to be a tax, then the bill was not properly passed, since all revenue-raising bills must start in the House, which this one didn’t:
Article I, Section 7:
All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.”
I realize most ‘democrats’ don’t give fly’s ass for the constitution, let alone the finer print, but listen….is it really possible the SCOTUS dropped the ball on this one??
Okay, How about YOU telling us chapter and verse what principles Roberts adhered to in his opinion? Tell us where in the Constitution is allows the SC to rewrite legislation in order to make it legal? Tell us, O Great One, heretofore, what precedent was set to allow Roberts to do what he did?
So Roberts, Sotomayor, Kagan, Ginsburg and Breyer are the principled ones and Thomas, Alito, Kennedy and Scalia are the benighted unprincipled extra-Constitutional partisans, right?
Yeah, that’s a good argument….
I had the same thought. Re-writing an unconstitutional law to make it constitutional is not something any Court should do.
How can anybody tell what the law actually is if Congress and the Executive pass a bill under the Commerce Clause and the Court re-legislates it for the other two branches of government?
Nobody knows what the law is under those circumstances. Apparently not even those who think they have the power to create it.
The Court’s decision was lawless to the point of appearing slightly insane.
The White House has already declared that the penalty is a penalty and not a tax. What happens if the House agrees with the WH and passes a resolution declaring the same? The House should and the Court should be asked to reconsider its decision and come to a conclusion based on the law actually passed rather than one Roberts made up on his own time.
What a mess.
Romney won’t be much different from the old bum, but for what it’s worth what Romney did in Mass. is pretty much identical to what President Obama did at the national level. In fact Romney, on more than one occasion, recommended that the President copy what he did in Mass. But don’t take my word for it.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/mitt-romneys-suggested-three-times-in-2009-that-o
The debates will be great fun watching Romney squirm. How will he explain these contradictory positions (other than the fact that he just wants to be president and will say whatever the lemmings want to hear)? His current opposition to the ACA rings pretty hollow if you examine his actual record.
Well, it is a principle of our Federal system that things that are forbidden at the Federal level are free to be explored at the state level, so I’m not sure that is much of an argument. If that’s what they wanted in Mass., that is their business. I doubt it would carry here in Utah, where I reside.
So you think the fact that Romney came up with a plan to provide all citizens affordable medical care in his small state of Massachussets will hurt him? While it is being spun that way, I don’t see it. Rather I think it will appeal to those who care about this issue. Isn’t affordable care a problem that everyone would like to see corrected?
Romney authored a plan to solve a difficult problem. At least he tried, long before anyone else did. Despite the fact that it was not perfect and not workable for the country as a whole, it makes me hope he will learn from his mistakes and provide a plan that IS workable for the country.
If he says he will appeal the monster called Obama care and work to provide a better solution, then I will find that a positive, not a negative.
It is NOT the government’s job to take care of people. I wish Americans would understand that. When you say he “authored a plan to solve a difficult problem”, you imply that the government came up with a solution when none was required that the private sector couldn’t deal with.
So, people haven’t got medical insurance. That has NEVER meant that people were denied medical care. Often, if the patient hasn’t medical insurance, they strike a deal with the caregiver to get what they need done. Happens all the time.
Let’s use that bullsh*t car insurance analogy another way. If a poor person has a car, and has a wreck and kills someone negligently. They get to spend the rest of their days in prison if they fail to get car insurance. If they are poor and fail to have medical insurance, they reap the consequences of that too.
What? You say, “But medical insurance was too expensive! That’s not FAIR!”. Well, people will pay what the market will bear. In other words, supply/demand. It STILL doesn’t mean that said individual wouldn’t get medical CARE. If they’re below the poverty line, the STATE picks up the tab.
This is one little aspect of it that people are ignoring. The STATE, in its wisdom decided it didn’t like losing all that money to pick up the tab for poor people anymore. Even though on the other side of their face they CLAIM to be “caring for the poor” but the medical care bills were costing the state too much money (see how that works?) and thus, they, Romney, et al, came up with a system where the RICH pay for everyone else instead of the poor having to go without. Sound familiar?
I went without medical insurance for quite some time before I got a job that offered it. I’ll be DAMNED if now I have to have all that shifted and controlled by the goddam government. I despise government control of anything they have their hands on. Every time I have to go to a government-run office of any kind, I see the same pathetic bureaucrats, mostly grossly overweight, not-too–bright types who do their duties in a minimalistic fashion, take your money and don’t so much as wish you a nice day and certainly don’t say “thank you”. Not that I’m surprised. A brain-numbing job done by brain-numb people.
I call it the “soviet-style” of business and looks remarkably similar to the functionaries I saw in East Berlin in 1980.
This is government-run healthcare. “difficult problems” need to be solved by the private sector, not government. Everything the government touches gets thousands of percent more expensive, thousands of percent less efficient and so “fair” for everybody that it cripples it into inaction.
Hate to rain on your parade, but thousands if not millions of people are driving at this very minute without car insurance, even though they are breaking the law. My wife was rear-ended by one such driver. He suffered no ill consequences. Our truck was totaled. And let’s not even go into how many illegal aliens are driving with neither license nor insurance.
The simple truth is, people who have something to lose buy insurance. If you rent, live in debt and have no real assets, why get insurance? They don’t go to jail, even if they kill someone. “Hey, accidents happen!”
Same thing for Obamacare. Millions will avoid paying for it until they get sick, then they will plead poverty and a softheaded Federal government will tax, threaten and jail those that have something to lose to pay for the losers.
Obama calls it “redistribution of wealth.”
I don’t give a goddam about your story or people who drive without insurance. I carry uninsured motorist protection. Yeah, so mandatory insurance is the law, I still take the steps to protect myself without the government intervening in my decision.
As I implied though, the car insurance, as related to medical insurance is a bullshit argument. The two are only alike in that the word “insurance” is used. I can choose not to own a car. Hate to rain on your parade but thousands of people in this country have chosen not to drive. In Virginia, if you merely have a license, you have to carry car insurance. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
And, if you are in a wreck and you haven’t chosen adequate coverage, you’re S.O.L. Hate to rain on your parade but that’s how it’s supposed to work. Car insurance is not PREVENTATIVE.
And “the poor” who go to the ER always get medical care. Sometimes better than someone who has medical insurance so the doctor and the hospital can use it for political reasons. “See how compassionate we are?” is not a rubric for only the extreme left. People use it for personal gain, even when they’re allegedly conservative.
You did not understand my post. You chose to slice the car insurance part out and critique it, even though I said it was a bullshit analogy and was just using it to exemplify the left’s ridiculous representation of it.
Go away.
Has anybody even read it?
I HOPE HIS FAMILY IS VERY PROUD OF HIM! ANOTHER ONE THAT TURN HIS BACK ON AMERICA………..
Chief Justice Roberts overestimates the intelligence of Americans and underestimates the criminal mendacity of the Left.
Boy did you ever hit it out of the park!
Gangster thugs and looters on the left, goody two-shoes country clubbers on the right.
And under-educated mouth-breathing vidiot hoi polloi in between.
Ain’t gonna get overturned ever.
Then get on your knees and pray that Americans wake up, get off the couch, and fight to overthrow the left.
John Roberts would rather his court be liked by the Democrats than be respected by the Republicans.. You can do this when you have a lifetime appointment. His contortions to find a path for the Democrats would make a Chicago thug proud. Oh, Obama is proud.
Proverbs 16:18 Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.
True enough, but it’s America that’s heading for the fall, not Obama. Obama’s getting everything he’s ever wanted and more, all while laughing to fame, fortune and adulation.
And if America falls, to Obama, so much the better.
The law is clearly unconstitutional. For the obvious reasons, but also for the simple notion that no 2500 page law, that no legislator read in its entirety before voting for it, and which had no public hearings to explain its contents, can possibly be constitutional. Laws with hidden content are by their very nature deceitful. And they are unconstitutional in their very existence, in that 2500 page undefined laws are passed that way with the full intent of injuring the people. That is the reason for the pig in a poke routine.
It is not restraint to not call this wreckage what it is – a pure 100% abomination to the very core of the Constitution. The failure to do this means that the Constitution is fully dead and the Court and Congress are now fully unmoored from any restraint whatsoever. There is no longer any law. The Court will do what it must to achieve whatever it feels like on any given day.
Having read the opinion, it is clearly not unconstitutional, by majority opinion of the Supreme Court, no less. You may disagree, but I’d have to see a better argument, citing which portion of the opinion you think is in error before I’d be convinced.
In the meantime, as I mentioned in another comment in this thread, Remember Plan A.
Justice Roberts’s reasoning, as summarized in this article, is fallacious, specifically points 4 and 5:
4) The mandate clearly does NOT “look like a tax, and quack like a tax”. It is a PENALTY, levied for not buying health insurance.
5) By paying the penalty, you are no longer considered guilty of unlawful activity (for example, paying a parking ticket clears you of any further consideration that you are “guilty of unlawful activity”). Thus Roberts’s reasoning here does not distinguish between a penalty and a tax, and is specious (i.e., worthless as a logical argument, in or out of a court of law) at best.
Roberts, and the four others who upheld Obamacare, are certainly incompetent, so obviously so (in my opinion, though many don’t have the intellectual ability and self-assurance to see it my way) that their ruling is clearly fraudulent–the highest jurists in the land certainly should have seen the speciousness of their ruling, as I have just shown above, and avoided giving it. They have no legitimate standing in my view, and should be impeached and removed from office (though of course they will not be).
SCOTUS is the court of final jurisdiction. That is how our system works. I can think of many decisions I do not like but I accept them because the decision is final. That said, you seem to know a lot about constitutional law. Maybe you should be a supreme court justice. lol.
Wrong.
The court of final juristiction is in the hearts of reasonable men.
3/5ths
Dred Scott
Roe
Kelo.
All duplicious lies, pugery upheld for monied interests by tyrants without concience, to pervert the spirit of what this nation was supposed to be, for the advantage the few who know how to craftily game our system.
Some revisited, others not, but the final word has yet to be spoken.
That which is not moral should not BE law.
That humans can fail, or be corrupted in their systems, make not such, right.
4) The mandate clearly does NOT “look like a tax, and quack like a tax”. It is a PENALTY, levied for not buying health insurance.
Roberts covered in the opinion why, even though the law speaks of a penalty, it is actually a tax under the law. Is is calculated as a tax. It it collected as a tax. It is imposed as a tax. He listed several precedents governing his decisions, including those where Congress used the word ‘tax’ only to have it struck down because it was imposed as a penalty, and where congress did not use the term tax, but it was upheld in court as a tax based on how it was calculated, how it was collected, and how it was imposed, exactly as in this decision.
5) By paying the penalty, you are no longer considered guilty of unlawful activity (for example, paying a parking ticket clears you of any further consideration that you are “guilty of unlawful activity”). Thus Roberts’s reasoning here does not distinguish between a penalty and a tax, and is specious (i.e., worthless as a logical argument, in or out of a court of law) at best.
Obamacare does not specify that not buying insurance is an unlawful act. According to the ruling, as supported by precedent, there is only a tax based upon income that is imposed upon those who do not buy health insurance. That is permissable under the Constitution. The only penalty that arises is if you don’t pay the tax, just as when you fail to pay any other tax.
You are spouting specious dogma. JoshinHB provided pertinent judgment from the dissenting judges: “… When an act “adopt[s] the criteria of wrongdoing” and then imposes a monetary penalty as the “principal consequence on those who transgress its standard,” it creates a regulatory penalty, not a tax.
So the question is, quite simply, whether the exaction here is imposed for violation of the law. It unquestionably is.”
I repeat, Roberts’s position, and yours, does not distinguish between a tax and a penalty as it claims to do, and as the dissenting justices properly did, and is specious at best. The only difference between you and me is that I don’t turn off my logical reasoning in deference to “the highest court in the land”.
And you are quoting from the minority opinion, which is of interest to legal historians, but alas, carries no force of law. I am considering where we go from here, which is to elect Romney, elect a conservative Republican majority in both houses, and repeal the damn thing. Plan A.
I leave it to others to determine which approach is more reliable.
And you are quoting from the minority opinion, which is of interest to legal historians, but alas, carries no force of law.
So you’re a power fellator, who no doubts thinks that Roe v Wade was properly decided because it’s the law of the land after all, not to mention Korematsu, I’m sure you thing that was just dandy because 6 robes signed off on it.
Thanks for the honesty.
No, I am someone who recognizes the world we live in. Would I prefer that the decision had been decided differently? Sure. Would I like to see Roe v. Wade overturned? You bet! Wishing won’t make it happen.
I’ve already outlined what needs to be done before either Obamacare or Roe will be overturned. Plan A. Elect Romney, and elect conservatives to achieve majorities in both houses. That does not guarantee that either will happen, but what will guarantee that neither will happen is to have Obama elected to a second term.
Your plan of action seems to be to toss around stupid insults. Good luck with that.
If the mandate is a tax, as the supreme court ruled (and the Obama camp gleefully and only now admits), then the law should have been struck down based on its ILLEGAL passage. The constitution clearly states that all taxation bills must originate with the House. This one did not.
If it were a tax, the ACA mandate penalty would have been subject to a 60% cloture vote in the Senate, which the Dems avoided by calling it a penalty and claiming it was simply a budget reconciliation. Had it been called a tax, it would have never survived cloture and never become a law. Somehow this escaped Roberts reasoning and ruling. It is easy to claim logic and legal consistency when you ignore the facts.
Brent,
Hard as it is to swallow, I’m kinda coming around to Roberts decision, too.
The Whole Republic is dependent upon the “reasonable man” principal, and Roberts cannot (in his opinion) use the sledgehammer of a court opinion to thwart that which is UNREASONABLE, but still just barely constitutional.
The truth is, yes, we have given Congress the power to tax, and to take on debt in our name. It is the risk we take, placing our wealth and power into the hands of other men.
We hope (and expect) that “reasonable” men would NOT abuse such trust…like tax us at 99.5 % of our income to pay off the National Debt in 2 years, or put forth such a (lied about) horrific tax scheme as Obamacare…But they could, Constitutionally speaking, pass such laws…. Obama knew he had no cover under “commerce”, but he couldn’t get out of the cradle as a tax. So he gamed us with an intentionally false “commerce” defense, and now its up to us to get a tax law overturned.
The sad fact of governance is that sometimes, unreasonable men with malice aforethought will game this system and abuse their authorities….for the enrichment their criminal crony friends and the advancement of an Un-American Agenda through just-short-of-bribery tactics under the Color of their Responsibilities. And to repeal them requires the ultimate replacement of those men proven to BE so unreasonable, who so poorly represented our views, preferences and priorities.
This is a problem that cannot BE solved by the Supreme Court. There is NO administrative system, short of a Benevolent Patriot With Arbitrary Power of Live and Death to Traitors, that could prevent an Obama/Pelosi/Reed cabal from doing exactly what has occurred with Obamacare.
It must be addressed by US, the people who, to our own detriment PUT these slippery shysters into offices they can so easily abuse, and still be within their Constitutional Authority.
It is Reasonable Men that must serve this Republic, and thats why CHARACTER matters. Your previous words, opinions, associations, history and deeds illustrate more of your true character than any of your future promises.
We knew this guy was a commie, a street punk, a terrorist sympathizer, a redistributionist, a liar and a fraud. And we got what was inevitable from a man like him. The looting of the Treasury, and the gaming of the system to twist the country to his will, all within a hairs breadth of the confines of his office.
Roberts cannot save us from him.
Only WE can.
You learn something new everyday: people stick up for the bill because the SCOTUS says the whole thing is constitutional. For some reason I was under the impression that they only looked at a portion of the bill, hence the incredulity directed at the defense when asked how the whole shebang would work if part of it was thrown out. To paraphrase, “It’s not our job to figure out the whole bill.”
Brent really who gives a sh$t what you think. You are a littel too pompus to be here except to push a lefty defense of this abomination.You make it sound as though you were part of the drafting process.
So tell us in a couple paragraphs what is in the bill that will, say, help me a veteran who has no health insurance and cannot afford insurance even though I have a job? Tell me about the expenses I will incur; tell me about how I will be able to see specialists at no cost to me; tell me OGO, that brining in 30 million Americans and illegal aliens into our health care system will NOT increase costs, deductables and yet improve care and decrease wait times?
Tell us how this bill now a law will not increase our debt and that it is paid for without new “taxes”; and if it is a tax why does the IRS have to hire 16k more workers since a tax is paid when there is a transaction except for FICA and income taxes which we were told this wasn’t…
If this creation of the left is SOOOOO great why were there, and presumably will be more, waivers given to unions, the wealthy, certain businesses and why doesn’t the Congress use this health care instead of their own????
Let’s look at the whole picture.
First, there wasn’t much basis for throwing out the whole law. There were already clauses in there stating that if any parts of it were unconstitutional that the other parts would still stand.
Second, do you really want the Supreme Court to sift through thousands of pages of legislation to decide what is constitutional and what isn’t? Isn’t that a lot like the very judicial activism that we often accuse liberal courts of?
Third, I think Roberts saw that this was going to be a very difficult, long slog. Instead, I think he chose a brilliant sophistry that would narrow the scope of what congress could do in this endeavor, and make way for the congressional overturning of this bill.
The Obamacare bill will not stand as is. Even if every incumbent were re-elected, there already is a strong mandate to make this effort more fiscally realistic. And if the Dems are defeated in November, it will send an even stronger message that this whole idea should be overturned and renegotiated.
One way or another, this is either a Pyrrhic victory or a sound defeat. It is not the legacy that the Dems are claiming it will be.
The only problem with your reasoning is that it takes 60 votes in the Senate. Do you really believe the Dems won’t filibuster to the bitter end?
As Mickey Kaus noted, now that Roberts has declared that the penalty is actually a tax, the law can by resolved through reconciliation, meaning it can’t be fillibustered. Good news, is it not?
http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/29/yglesias-1-lizza-frum-0/
Of course its good news assuming its true. I apparently have less faith in the Senate sausage machine than you do, and the Dems are the superior parliamentarians. We shall see…
From what I know of the reconciliation process, and the limitations of the fillibuster, yes, it is good news. Don’t take my word for it. Research it for yourself.
All fine and dandy — in theory. Meanwhile, here in the land of cold harsh reality, we are stuck with the largest intrusion to date by the federal government on individual rights and states’ sovereignty. Here was an opportunity to begin drawing some boundaries around federal jurisdiction.
Constitutional jurisprudence ought to adhere to a different standard than deference to the legislative body. Such deference has brought us to the present pass. There is no institution but the Supreme Court which can make limited government a reality and confine the feds to their constitutional role when they stray — which is often.
Instead the court enunciated a tax doctrine of almost limitless reach. The idea of a limited federal government breathed its last yesterday. Those who keep parsing the opinion for sliver linings are only deceiving themselves.
” ….we are stuck with the largest intrusion to date by the federal government on individual rights”
I hate Obamacare and I’m not happy with the Court in most cases…
But just imagine if it stood under commerce…
Or try this:
A Free black person, born in America of free blacks from 2 generations, and hearing the Dred Scott verdict.
We have work to do in The House to repeal this tax scheme.
The Court really needs to review Kelo….
THAT was a much more frightening intrusion of rights that just taxes
The only problem with this defense of Roberts is that the law will not actually be rewritten and the Obama campaign machine will continue to claim that it is not a tax. The Obama defense against the “new tax” claim from conservatives will be that it’s only a tax by some obscure legal definition of the court and he will point to the text of the law that calls it a penalty. And the law WILL still call it a penalty. By making the stretch that it is a tax, Roberts has allowed the law to stand as written and has read something into it that it doesn’t actually say. A more nuanced approach would have been to strike down the law but point out that if it were called a tax it would have been upheld. There is plenty of precedence for doing that and that’s what the dissenters wanted. Instead, he’s letting Obama have his cake and eat it too. Justice Roberts is just another political coward.
Also, Roberts explained that it can be considered a tax because those who don’t buy insurance are not subject to anything other than the monetary affects. However, that won’t last. Eventually, if this monstrosity is not repealed, they will add jail time for those who refuse to buy insurance. It’s the only way this thing can work. The only reason that wasn’t included in the bill was because it never would have passed if they had.
SpasticToad:
“Justice Roberts is just another political coward.”
Perhaps a liar, perhaps a stealth Justice, but a political coward? What’s cowardly about pursuing goals in which you fervently believe?
Roberts is simply one of those in positions of power who believes the way to a better world is by sharing wealth with the losers in the game of life, according to a plan designed the superior, ruling classes all over the world.
When was the constitution amended to say that Justices of the Supreme Court were permitted to write laws from the bench rather than rule on the constitutionality of those passed by Congress? Simple as that. No rocket science involved in this one.
Destination Utopia, Roberts is on the train with most dimocrats and republicans. The mission is accomplished, the Republic is history.
Possibly. That would make him a weasel rather than a coward, I suppose.
I can understand and respect judicial restraint. And upholding legislation, even if you think it’s bad policy, is part of a judge’s job. While Roberts did put a cap on the Commerce Clause, he opened up Congress’s taxing power to be unstoppable. Taxing inactivity?
The partisan hacks are the four liberal justices who find the Constitution to mean just what they say it is.
This may be a blessing in disguise. Yesterday morning, the majority of voters disliked Obamacare. Yesterday afternoon, they still disliked Obamacare. And they are pissed off more than ever now that the SC failed to do away with it. There is only one course left, and that is to defeat Democrats in November.
This will have to boost Republican turnout in November, which may be crucial. After initial shock and despondency, I’m starting to agree with those who say that these health insurance issues should be addressed in the political arena–a process that was short-circuited by the Democrats when they rammed the bill through.
I’m ok with this judo throw by Roberts, but saying Congress can tax anything they want is not true.
Congress cannot impose direct taxes on us, except by apportionment via the census. This principle is why the 16th Amendment was necessary to allow direct taxation of income by the federal government. If the penalty for not having an approved health insurance plan is a tax, with a flat floor and a ceiling that is related to income, but you can be exempt for having a health insurance policy, that seems like a direct tax to me.
Also, the fact that Muslims and Amish are excused from this tax should not fly either.
Am i wrong?
Unfortunately, i think this cannot be challenged until 2014 when a test case pays a penalty on their 1Q14 estimated taxes return because of the Anti-Injunction Act.
Roberts did not say that Congress can impose any tax it wants to. In the opinion, Roberts cited several precedents and legal principle required for a valid tax, and it appears that the penalty that is now a tax is indeed a valid tax. I’m not happy with it, which is why I repeat, Remember Plan A. Elect Romney, and elect conservative Republicans to Congress, and repeal the damn thing. That has ALWAYS been Plan A.
Not sure why this was tagged as anonymous. A message board glitch, perhaps.
However, congress decided that paying a penalty for inactivity is ok.
Roberts agreed.
Chew on that.
So all we have to do is either kneel down 5 times a day or ride a horse and buggy to work and build a barn now and then and we can escape the communist death grip?? Where do I sign up??
Mr. Ott, in point 3 in your article, I think you might want to remove the automatic conversion to emoticons… 8)
Thanks, Surak. I notified the editor.
Live the Freedom,
Scott Ott
The Constitution is not only a system of separation of powers. It includes a system of checks and balances. Justice Roberts reneged in his duty to uphold the Constitution. You don’t give deference to the legislative branch when it passes a law that violates the Constitution.
As for the IRS collecting this ‘tax’, the IRS also collects penalties for early withdrawal from IRAs. That doesn’t make those penalties taxes. They are separate and apart from the income tax. Not every source of revenue is a tax.
I call this an act of cowardice. Chief Justice Roberts just can’t take the tongue-lashing he gets from this president. It started with Citizens United. Roberts apparently took Obama’s warnings to heart.
Having read the decision, I’ll have to disagree. I think Roberts upheld both the law and the constitution. What part of the decision do you find in error, and why?
I don’t know you, Brent, but I do know Andrew McCarthy. I trust McCarthy’s assessment, not yours.
I’m fine with that. What is his argument? I’d like to read it.
McCarthy’s piece is up on here. His argument, too, is basically that he doesn’t like it. I have yet to see a cogent legal argument against what CJ Roberts did, though reasonable men may disagree as to whether he should have done it. I think he made a political decision to deprive the Left of having the USSC as the primary focus of the issues in this election.
Please tell me about another decision in which the Court “construed” a law?
“3. CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS concluded in Part III–B that the individual
mandate must be construed as imposing a tax on those who do not have health insurance, if such a construction is reasonable.”
That’s a legal principal? It’s pure cowardice.
If you read the opinion, then you will find the legal precedent Roberts used to justify his finding.
Explain to me why I, as a conservative, would NOT want Roberts to follow an applicable valid legal precedent?
Because Leftwing jurisprudence is based in twisted distortions and needs correcting, not further entrenchment. Your argument amounts to…..as soon as the Left succeeds in implementing their policy agenda, then conservatives must instantly embrace it as the status quo….and to not do so is an extremist radical position. Thus Obamacare should be defended as the status quo, just as should the New Deal, The Great Society, no fault divorce, the abuse of the Commerce Clause, massive Federal government welfare state, etc.
It’s downright foolish. With Conservatives like that, no wonder European civilizaiton is on the verge of destruction. Uphold Justice OConnors Michigan law school ruling in favor of racial discrimination on the grounds of mainting the rule of law and stare decisis. Roe v Wade is involiable. Sheesh!
I have no idea what the basis for this is. The real issue is that Obama, a President with dubious or nonexistent legal qualifications, rams through this legislation with the help of an equally immoral Democratic Congress. Never in US history has the distinction between legal and moral been more clear. I’ll take Israel with its problems over this burgeoning political hatred any day.
No Pollyanna spinning and verbal contortion will change the basic facts of this. We now have a Federal government that is Constitutionally empowered to force pretty much anything it wants upon the citizens, provided it can be characterized as either a tax or can be bent to fall under the Commerce Clause. No solar panel on your roof? Pay a “solar panel avoidance tax.” No electric car in your garage? Pay an “electric car avoidance tax.”
Roberts call for the citizenry to right the wrongs of politicians is vapid and silly. We rely on the Courts to apply the Constitution, not remind the citizenry of its responsibilities.
Simple truth is rare. Thank you.
It should be clear to anyone with a modicum of common sense what happened: the Chief Justice succumbed to bullying from the president and his minions…at our expense. There is also clearly only one response which will yield any relief from this tyranny: those of us that love our country MUST unite this fall and do everything in our power to remove any and all politicians (yes, republicans also) that do not 100% support repealing this abomination. Our battle is especially crucial in the senate….we need a sweep in those elections.
Failing that, I fear armed insurrection may be on the horizon. While some shallow, intemperate, easily agitated yet well-meaning Americans may feel that physical violence is inevitable, I hope and pray that we can use the Power of the People at the ballot box to secure our freedom loving agenda; that way it is legitimate and permanent and in keeping with what our Founding Fathers envisioned.
Freedom and Liberty are hard won, and even harder kept.
What a tangled web precedence is. 1. It’s not the court’s job to evaluate the wisdom or practicality of a law, merely to determine whether it violates the Constitution. It does violate the commerce clause and now he has reinforced precedence that the federal government can tax us for anything. There is no spin that can change that.
Roberts found that the mandate does violate the commerce clause, and that is good. Congress cannot in the future abuse that without getting a strong pushback based on this decision.
Congress can levy taxes, and based upon how the tax is calculated, how it is collected, and upon whom the taxes are imposed, according to the precedents Roberts cited, that tax is permissable. I don’t particularly like that, but I can argue with the legal argument.
This is now a political issue that has to be solved by political means. We need to elect people to congress to repeal it.
And Romney is the guy to do it? Old Mr. “tax penalty” is going to have a hard time with that seeing that Romneycare is the father of Obamacare.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/mitt-romneys-suggested-three-times-in-2009-that-o
Well, Obama certainly isn’t the guy to do it, so Romney is our other realistic alternative. But before Romney can sign any repeal legislation, it has to be passed by Congress first, which is why we need to elect conservative Republicans to Congress to draft and pass repeal legislation. If Romney were then to veto such legislation, he would then join Obama as what I hope is a one term Predidency.
Exactly…
Think Coat-tails made from tea leaves. Big, long, unavoidable coat-tails that will trip Mittens up if he doesnt watch his step.
We need the commitee leaderships to set the agenda, and FORCE the ball to the net. Mittens will have only two choices
A) Block your own teams shots
B) Let them carry the game
Their aint no option “C” if you want to suit up and play.
Youre team captain, but not the superstar, got it?
In the list of Roberts reasoning, the first four would clinch it only if Congress never passed a penalty, or a fee,and only passed taxes.
His longish reason as follows 5. The “shared responsibility payment” for failure to buy health insurance is collected by the IRS, based on income, and clears the payor of responsibility to the law. If it were just a penalty, the payor would be considered guilty of unlawful activity before the bar of justice. But under ObamaCare, you’ve done your civic duty even if you fail to buy insurance, so long as you pay the fee.
Is wrong. It isn’t true at all that If it were just a penalty, the payor would be considered guilty of unlawful activity before the bar of justice. In fact it is hardly ever true. For example here is a ubiquitous one – IRS penalties. Specifically they are something added to taxes due and thus not a tax and guilt at the bar of any kind is totally absent.
Based upon my reading of the decision, I’m not seeing it. Can you quote the section you think supports this argument?
George Will wrote an interesting interpretation here:
http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/columns/george-will/george-will-the-consolation-prize/article_38e20af8-a03a-50c1-9612-1d4500e89279.html
Not so interesting. We went into the Supreme Court knowing the Commerce Clause cannot force anyone to buy something. We came out with the legislation found Constitutional. I really don’t care how George Will spins everything in between.
Reality Check: If Healthcare Law Is A Tax Is It Now Invalid?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyLU9-VqVxY
All I can say is follow the money.
Even if he is “clean” on the surface I dare say that something is not right here. Time to dig into this “judge’ top to bottom and inside out.
Roberts is a coward!
Great reasoning…until the last paragraph, which assumes that precedent will matter to future left-wing Justices in the defense of legistalation favorable to the small government cause. It’s the same old trap: Play nice and expect the other side will do so when the time comes.
To put it another way, “I’ll hold the football Charlie Brown, and you come running up and kick it.”
For better or for worse, thanks to this reckless decision, the lines are drawn and the clock is running. Either we elect new leaders and impose our desire for smaller government within the next 8 months upon them or we are done as a nation.
It’s really that simple now. We can thank John Roberts for that. Then we should impeach him.
There are rules. There must always be rules. Rules of the game, like an NFL Rulebook in the hip pockets of the referees at a football game. They don’t give a damn what the crowd is screaming for, a rule is a rule and must be enforced. This is the predicate of civilization.
Forget Roberts and his dissembling bullsheet. He’s an uncivilized man. He’s a piece of worthless crap, just like all his predecessors.
And yet, we have to remember that this week Roberts joined the liberal justices in two of the most important cases that came before the court this term. So, the most obvious answer is that Roberts has become a liberal jurist.
We cannot throw the bums out, they are gaming the system.
free this, and free that.
The formation of a militia may be coming sooner than people think.
Or at least throwing tea into some hot water.
I don’t know if Roberts was off his meds.He certainly wasn’t on mine.
Excuse me. Has everyone forgotten that Romney WROTE Obamacare?
In what possible realm will this ever be repealed?
Furthermore, do you really think all 2500 pages are about healthcare, and nothing else? Seriously?
Wow. Don’t any of you get it yet?
To say that “Romney wrote Obamacare” is inane.
Romney did not write ObamaCare.
Two reasons to believe Mitt Romney will repeal the healthcare reform law.
First is that Day One he will repeal the law, I mean TAX!
Second is it has always been part of his campaign. Millions of dollars are pouring into Romney’s and the Republican campaigns because they believe that Mitt Romney and tea party conservatives and allies will repeal the law.
It is going to happen. End the BFT! Big freaking TAX!
I think this article is essentially correct on just about everything.
The Founding Fathers didn’t whine when the British court supplied no remedy. They acted. Like them, we should be beyond surprise that our masters have no sympathy for the people.
We’re lucky. For the moment, at least, we don’t have to restort to violence. We have a much better remedy to the oppression that aflicts us and we should use it with a vengence in November.
As for Roberts, we should EXPECT and never be surprised when someone goes to Washington and becomes a member of the gilded elite.
We should take Robert’s treason as just one more reason to RADICALLY shrink the federal government, so that these commissars will never again be in a position to assault our liberty.
And btw, Romney is almost surely a Robert’s twin. We should be ready to jettison him in 2016 because the chances of Romney being the solution to the problem are about as close to zero as you can get. His only virtue is that he isn’t as bad as obama.
Our Republic has become sclerotic with the self-serving cat’s cradles of legal restraints on citizens handed down by the annointed. Nothing will change it short of eliminating the whole ball of wax and going back to square one plus a few.
1. Sunset all laws, statutes, regulations and ordinances, and test all rewrites for constitutionality.
2. Limit all elective terms and eliminate pensions of elected and appointed officials.
3. Eliminate the Civil Service, privatize functions truly needed and drug test anyone left on a monthly basis.
None of that will happen.
The FALL, despite dips and pauses like a falling leaf, remains unstoppable.
Go Galt.
4. Limit all bills to 50 pages and require they be written in clear and simple language
Then even a Nutty Pelosi won’t have to pass one of these monstrosities to know what’s in it.
Additional advantage, requiring straightforward language will drive the professional obfuscators, i.e. lawyers, crazy.
After reading a number of articles today, particularly the ones at American Thinker, it seems that there is a case to be made that Roberts was not as traiterous as I (and most others) have assumed.
In simple terms, he drew, finally, a boundary, around the Commerce Clause; refused to allow the government to intimidate the states into paying for a good bit of obamacare through the medicaid funding threat scam; and called the entire monstrosity a giant tax. Although Mark Levin and others are claiming that part is a disaster, the other view is that if federal power grabs are allowed, but only when properly paired with the humongous taxes that go with them, isn’t that in itself a limit on the leviathon? In addition, more observors, including Dick Morris, are now saying that by leaving obamacare alive but properly labelling the taxing aspect of it, he has doomed the boy king.
Time will tell, but it seems to be something worth considering. I withdraw my insult to the Chief Justice, pending further information.
Perhaps I’m being overly optimistic, but after reading this post, Jay Cost’s & some others, I wonder if Roberts couched his decision in precedent to cement his Commerce and Neccesary & Proper interpretations for his future.
If Roberts had elided over the precedents that he did cite, then a future Chief Justice could claim that this ruling had “incorrectly” ignored precedent and brushed Robert’s the Commerce and Necessary & Proper decisions aside. This way, it’s that much harder to ignore his decision.
Rather ironic that a justice appointed by George Bush can’t read!
CJ Roberts ruling lays bare the raw power grab of Dems claiming the power to do so under the Commerce Clause, and limits that grab
It partially overturns Wickard v Filburn
It lays bare the raw power grab of Dems claiming the power to do so under the Basket Clause (aka the Necessary and Proper Clause), and limits that grab
It lays bare their claims that ACA was emphatically NOT a tax
It lays the largest tax increase in History at the feet of Obama, Pelosi, & Reid
It lays out the most regressive tax ever, which will hit middle and lower middle income earners the hardest, for all to see
It challenges Conservatives to do their duty, take more active roles, counter false Lib claims – and oust the bums
This ruling may be dislikable, at first glance
But it may of the greatest service
This “loss” may be a win in disguise,
Now that Conservatives and Centrists are aroused
The regressive Left may have won the Battle, but it will lose the War
Justice Roberts refused to make a political decision, instead he made a legal judgement and threw the political hot potato back into the laps of the voters with an admonition that it’s the citizen’s responsibility to deal with the political. In doing that, Justice Roberts destroyed the last fig leaf remaining that we are a nation of law. Instead, ‘the law’ is now meaningless for it does not mean what it says, rather it means whatever the most persuasive man says it means.
Even worse, tossing this political hot potato back into the profoundly divided population it means that ‘we the people’ have to settle our differences on our own. This is the very absence of good government when the sole purpose of government is to adjudicate differences between citizens. Sure, we can work this out between us, despite the profound differences in ideology and philosophy between the two sides. We did it once before on the question of slavery, why not again on the choice between individual liberty, and an all powerful government.
It isn’t Robert’s task to make political judgement, only legal judgements. It would be WRONG of him HAD he made a political judgement. He applied the law, as he is required to do by the Constitution.
I answered an earlier comment by you, exposing Roberts’s incompetent and specious reasoning in this ruling. His attempt to distinguish between a tax and a penalty fails, very clearly (by his reasoning, every penalty, such as a parking ticket, is a tax). His logical error is astonishingly clear and simple, yet you keep commenting that you “don’t see it”. You are as incompetent a logician as Roberts, in your acceptance of his reasoning. You are just getting in the way of others’ attempts to clarify the situation, which is fundamentally that Roberts and the other four who upheld Obamacare are guilty of incompetence and probably fraud, and should be impeached and removed from office. Everyone knows the only useful thing we can do next is vote against Obama, and congressional Democrats who forced Obamacare into law in the first place, in November.
Add to that that all “bills of revenue” must originate in the House, so when Roberts ‘deduced’ a penalty as a tax the legislation is unconstitutional because it originated in the Senate.
That is true, but that wasn’t an objection advanced during either written or oral arguements to my knowledge, so the court didn’t rule on that. Perhaps if it should have been so argued, and we would not now be where we find ourselves. Perhaps it could be used now following the current ruling that the penalty is actually a tax if we want to wait another 3 years for things to wind their way through the courts.
I think there is a much faster remedy if we elect Romney, and elect conservative Republicans, and repeal the damn thing, which is my Plan A. We can do that in November.
From the dissent
“”Our cases establish a clear line between a tax and a penalty: “[A] tax is an enforced contribution to provide for the support of government; a penalty . . . is an exaction imposed by statute as punishment for an unlawful act.” In a few cases, this Court has held that a “tax” imposed upon private conduct was so onerous as to be in effect a penalty. But we have never held—never—that a penalty imposed for violation of the law was so trivial as to be in effect a tax. We have never held that any exaction imposed for violation of the law is an exercise of Congress’ taxing power—even when the statute calls it a tax, much less when (as here) the statute repeatedly calls it a penalty. When an act “adopt[s] the criteria of wrongdoing” and then imposes a monetary penalty as the “principal consequence on those who transgress its standard,” it creates a regulatory penalty, not a tax.
So the question is, quite simply, whether the exaction here is imposed for violation of the law. It unquestionably is.”
Ok, from the minority opinion. It’s still the minority opinion, and thus carries no force of law. Further, unlike the majority opinion written by Roberts, it fails to cite precedents, which would have helped everyone to better judge between the two opinions. If he cites precedents elsewhere, I have missed them.
In the meantime, in the situation that remains before us, we still have to elect Romney and conservatives to Congress so we can repeal the thing. Yes, I keep repeating that, but I think that as things stand, that is our best option.
Ok, from the minority opinion. It’s still the minority opinion, and thus carries no force of law. Further, unlike the majority opinion written by Roberts, it fails to cite precedents, which would have helped everyone to better judge between the two opinions. If he cites precedents elsewhere, I have missed them.
In the meantime, in the situation that remains before us, we still have to elect Romney and conservatives to Congress so we can repeal the thing. Yes, I keep repeating that, but I think that as things stand, that is our best option.
I apologize for the double post. I was trying to avoid making an annonymous post. It didn’t work.
I have to wonder, Brent, if you are not Canadian or British. You continue, legal scholar though you present yourself to be, to misspell ‘judgment,’ and employ the King’s English spelling.
I have never represented myself as a legal scholar, but I am of the opinion that any reasonably educated person should be able to read a legal decision, and based on logic if nothing else, interpret it. As far as my mad spelling skilz are concerned, I am but a fallible human being too lazy to type my posts out in Word for a spell check prior to posting. I can only hope that the strength of my logic will carry the day rather than my faults in spelling . Judging from some of the responses I’ve received, that remains just a fond hope.
I am not English, no no no. Far from it. I am from Utah, but I have read The Lord of the Rings ABOUT A MILLION TIMES, AND IT JUST KEEPS GETTING FUNNIER EVERY TIME, so maybe that has affected my prose style.
Justice Roberts made a legal decision, he found the law, as written unconstitutional. He then went on to reverse himself and redefine the word ‘penalty’ as ‘tax’, and then found the law, as rewritten by himself, constitutional. He could have just accepted the liberal argument that the law as written was constitutional, or taken the conservative argument and say it was not. Instead, as a brilliant intellectual he tried to split the baby giving one half to each side and then said, ‘you settle it’.
Skandia said, “He could have just accepted the liberal argument that the law as written was constitutional, or taken the conservative argument and say it was not.”
Well not if he followed valid legal precedents, he can’t. In the opinion, Roberts cites the precedents required to render his ruling. Should we suddenly want the court to ignore valid applicable precedents now, just so we can arrive at the decision we prefer rather than the decision required by law?
I hope not.
Absolutely, because those precedents were often made in rejection to previous precedents.
A correction is needed, not a further entrenchment of Leftwing jurisprudence as precedent.
While I (DEEPLY) disagree with Justice Roberts, there is a point lost in the noise…just because something is LEGAL does not make that something a good law. Rules vs ethics if you will. The ACA is a bad law, this is clearly implied in the ruling..but because it is a legal law (does not violate the Constitution) it stands. Both sides harp about judicial activism, and rightly so, but SCOTUS isn’t about that, it decides things in a binary fashion is/is not.
We don’t like their ruling? CHANGE THE LAW. Very simple, though in politics very simple things are very hard.
As I mentioned in another post, the simplest way to “fix” this ruling is to fix the underlying laws that drove the case’s precedent…then figure out a way to keep that intact. Others have mentioned Amending the Constitution..a messy project idea if there ever was one..but not impossible.
Black Thursday June 28, 2012 / Black Thursday Dec. 17, 1970 (Gdynia, Poland)
Coincident?
Not long ago I was writing to Dr. Hurd about my experience in Socialized Medical care in Canada. US Citizens prepare to lay down in hospital corridors, wait for specialist 1 year or perhaps die before reaching it.
In December 17, 1970 Army and Police in Poland were shooting to unarmed workers, on June 28, 2012 SCOTUS “legally” washed their hands from responsibility to protect US Constitution and therefore this institution is useless. Elena Kagan was helping to write that criminal law and did not rescue herself! On top drugged Justice Roberts hade epileptic attack week or two before vote. Outcome is that now they open gate to tyranny that as well can end up with what happened in Poland.
People do not realize severity of situation yet but it will come time the will understand and will have to do what Polish people did. No matter how well armed government might be 10 million people in Poland rebelled peacefully and communism collapsed. This is power of people. Take example from Poland and fight, fight and fight. There will be intimidation and people will be prosecuted but outcome is clear – freedom!
The abusers are put on trial like in Nurnberg trial in post war Germany 1946 and hand justice!
Mr. Ott,
Why did there need to be a 16th Amendment? What kind of Constitutionally allowed tax is the Health Care Charge?
David Kopel writes at ScotusBlog:
How can one excise a tax on emptiness? Tax the undone service, the absent good? There is empty credit to Justice Roberts abysmality! Let us tax that emptiness:
Impeach Justice Roberts — the legislative power of impeachment is, as Hilary pointed out during her internship during the Watergate hysteria, an action of POLITICAL justification. Let Roberts feel the impact of political choices.
Why stop there…4 other empty-heads voted with him. Impeach all 5 of them.
This decision will in the future be as well regarded as Dred Scott.
We have been delivered into serfdom by Roberts.
It is being said that Roberts was concerned for his legacy.
One might wish he had been more concerned for the Constitution and his country.
He is so smart he outsmarted himself and those of us who trusted him to follow the law.
As it stands now, his legacy may well be a tall, shabby monument to stupidity and weakness.
I, for one, will be screaming at my senators never, never to allow the appointment to any federal bench of any indoctrinated former student of Lawrence Tribe, the plagiarist and far left propagandist. In fact, it is time we disposed of the mystique of Harvard Law School graduates altogether. They have been a disaster for America and the Constitution.
Yes, I am really, really angry.
Just sent money to Romney.
John Roberts is a mole.
On this case he was forced to come out of cover because the stakes were high enough to warrant it.
He has NEVER been a Conservative nor a Constitutionalist.
Why do I say that?
John Roberts is personally responsible for the Supreme Court disaster that was Sandra Day O’Conner.
HE was the lawyer charged with vetting her before Reagan nominated her to the court. She was an outspoken abortion activist, yet Roberts gave her a clean bill of health, and the nomination went forward.
GW Bush got suckered.
Why do you think he got Roberts confirmed? The word was out to the other side that this is one of their guys, so they pretended to not like it, but confirmed him anyway. The liberal complaining about him was all Potemkin Theater.
Ann Coulter described Roberts as a disguised Souter a long while back.
I thought she was full of it then. Silly me. She was right.
which is why the simple rule of thumb is to never vote for anyone with a (d) next to the name because the (r) is bad enough already
I should add, the House should dig more deeply into Kagan’s involvement in ACA while at the DOJ. I doubt she should have been allowed to participate at all in the ACA case.
The Supreme Court is beginning to stink of corruption.
So we now label it restraint when a single Justice re-writes a law that enacts a tax via judicial fiat where the legislature knowingly and deliberately had refused to do so? It is restraint to reward a politically corrupt process that would have been unable to pass the law as written (as a tax) by re-doing in the court? And it’s restraint to find that there is no limit to the government’s taxing power including the power to tax us for inactivity and basically just for being alive?
You sure do have a funny definition of restraint.
Roberts blew it. He wimped out. Coward. We need a conservative President to bring in more Scalia Conservatives on the court and make Roberts a backup singer. We need to control the Senate again and gain leverage. Romney is commited to striking down ObamaTax, I believe him, if he doesn’t, then Recall…put in Gov. Walker.
how exactly do you have a tax on nothing?
you don’t. what you do is have a rebate for something. so the proper way to do this is to raise everybody’s taxes by whatever, and give a rebate for buying insurance. but Roberts didn’t do that. could he? should he?
since he didn’t, it’s not a tax. it is what Roberts himself for the majority said he could not do, it’s a penalty on inaction.
plus, you have the techno-arguments of the anti-injunction act, and that taxes cannot originate in the Senate, so if it’s a tax, don’t either of these hold?
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I know as a defense attorney you are allowed to advance contradictory arguments, but I had not heard that as a judge, you are allowed to accept contradictory arguments or advance them yourself.
I think Roberts screwed up royally.
It is not a tax on nothing, it is a tax on income. That is how the amount of the tax is calculated. The tax is imposed on those who do not buy health insurance. There is nothing in the Constitution or in legal precedent that forbids that. The question now is what do we do about it? Elect Romeny and conservatives to congress, and repeal it.
Why repeal Obamacare?
Because it is a big freaking TAX!
I believe this may have played a role!
Obama Threatens Supreme Court By Jeff Harding, on April 3rd, 2012
http://dailycapitalist.com/2012/04/03/obama-threatens-supreme-court/
I think Roberts took the only path open to him. If the court overturns the law, what would prevent a second-term Obama administration for enforcing it anyway?
If Obama is president in 2014, he will tell the IRS to enforce the mandate, regardless of yesterday’s court ruling. What would he have to lose? Obama already declared war on the Supreme Court. He is not going to surrender now.
If Obama tells the IRS to enforce the mandate, what can they do? Resign in protest? Most of them probably support the plan. The ones that don’t like the plan aren’t about to throw away their gold-plated health care and pensions for me.
It would be nice if the Supreme Court had overturned the health care law. It would really nice if we had a President who respected the Constitution and citizens of the United States.
Paul, the IRS does not enforce the mandate. They collect a tax, imposed by law just like any other tax. It would be illegal for thim to refuse to collect the tax.
The option now is to elect Romney and conservative Republicans, and repeal the law. Plan A…
Roberts is guilty of an odd mix of pretzel bending and patronizing the people he represents. Since when have we needed instruction on the need to vote to change the party in power? And are we genuflect before the ‘genius’ on display in the declaration ‘It’s a tax’? Voting alongside the conservative dissenters would have made far more sense — simple, clear, direct, solid.
What possible benefit accrues to anyone from his weird self-serving combo of obfuscation, other-worldliness and narcissism? — except possibly to MSM punditry who get paid by the yard (try reading Krauthammer’s column while eating). And, maybe, to Roberts himself: don’t forget he’s a highly privileged gov’t employee exempt from Obamacare, and a statist headed for a fat, fat pension.
Truly a day that will live in infamy — arbitrary, excessive, capricious — so bad, in fact, that we face weeks of (often leaked) explanations about the Nature of Nuance for Idiots.
Maybe it was meds, who knows:
What we do know is we need better. The system is broken and must be rebuilt. He’s got to go.
I’m leaning towards Roberts must go also.
The 1950′s would have drawn and quartered Obama for the way he forced ObamaCare down our throats like a sex predator.
The 1960′s would have done the same.
The 1970′s would have recited Rod McKuen poetry.
The 80′s would have been singing ABBA songs.
And so on and so forth.
In 2012, half of the inhabitants of the United States are slackers. And half are workers. Since Republicans are new to the concept of vote stealing and Democrats have it down to a science, on Nov.6, 2012, Obama will be re-elected by a razor thin edge(the deciding votes stolen). And the thieves will run the nation right into the ground. By 2013, Obama will put a tax on all weapons, the size of which would choke a horse. And confiscate all weapons on which a tax isn’t paid. By executive order.
By 2016 the non-whites will sway the vote to the Democrats along with more vote stealing, and with our nuclear deterrent gone by executive order, the United States will be a land under the protective arm of China.
That is no fairy tale. That is the future. If you voted for Obama in 2008, you killed this nation.
Methinks this is an example of Chicago politics. I suspect the Chief Justice received a telephone call one night. The caller probably said, “That’s a nice family you got there. Would be a shame if somethin’ happened to ‘em. Know what I’m sayin’?
I haven’t seen any talking heads or journalists discussing this most obvious explanation for Robert’s irrational decision. We’re dealing with the most criminal regime in our nations history, is it so hard to believe?
Let me just add that this may be a bit of foreshadowing for the upcoming presidential race. Let’s not be surprised if the wheels come flying off the Romney campaign for seemingly inexplicable reasons as the other side resorts to every form of criminal enterprise conceivable in order to ensure their man wins. Remember, for them it’s the ends that justify the means.
No the wheels won’t come off the Romney campaign. In fact the republican campaign is gaining speed while the Obama campaign is running out of gas (i.e. Money).
No there will be only one October surprise Democrats have to hold on to their dominion on the American public. It starts with an A. I hope not. It won’t really help, but how can they protect what they are about to lose: Power.
Are you really so sure about that? The 2008 election should have taught us not to underestimate the ignorance of our modern day electorate. Also the “ends justify the means” philosophy of the progressive regime which opens the door to all kinds of criminal activity including voter fraud and intimidation. Also the MSM mind control machine which feeds the Obamabots what they want to see and hear. Also large swaths of the black community who remain shackled to the Democrat plantation, refusing to learn history and still believing that anything is better than another white guy for president. If Romney is somehow able to survive to victory over these incredible odds it will be earth shattering.
There was no need for a telephone call. Roberts has been their man all along.
I have no problem with making people pay their own way, but since when is universal health insurance a federal problem. Obama and the minions want to make sure that the ones whom never have paid one dime for wages earned receive equal care. Now the ones who pay will wait for a doctor so he can tend to them who never once have brought anything to the table except appetite. All with pay, yeah right, just like taxes, credits and exclusions, you bet it will be free for them while they rock us big time. I bet that within a few years non governement employees will start to be taxed on there insurance benefits to help pay for this. This to me is like what Prohibition must have been like, complete unfounded government interference in our lives. I believed the States regulated insurance and could not sell low cost policies over state line, where is the federal right. But now it’s more than that, it’s come down to taxing and as Roberts says it’s for inactivity which he mentions is not unconstitutional.. I thought that the Constitution was based on law where as if it was not specifically mentioned as being illegal it was legal, wasn’t that what the big argument when the Bill of Rights were being discussed and it came out that the original drafters did not want to name only a few specific rights that we have but all rights unless individually and specifically mentioned. Here we the people have been found guilty of inactivity and hence will be charged or taxed. I mean isn’t that like being charged for a speeding ticket when you don’t even have a license or drive a car, come on it’s dumb and dumber on steroids that they probably got from Clemens trainer. Even though I am not a Obama supporter I for one am glad that he scolded them and slighted them, they desire it, they are wrong, they have just proven they are not are best minds we have, they need to be impeached.
Justice Roberts is the lone man who put the last nail in the coffin of our liberty – unless we elect Romney and a deluge of Republicans to fix this mess in November.
3. The government’s fall-back justification for the individual mandate was the power of Congress “to lay and collect taxes…to provide for the…general welfare of the United States.” (Article 1, Section 8 )
The full blown clause reads:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
I don’t equate assurances of “the general welfare of the United States” with the general welfare of individual citizens.
The language wasn’t intended and the federal government wasn’t constructed with Obama’s version of “redistributive” and “fair” assurances in mind.
While judicial lawmaking is exactly what Justices Alito, Thomas, Kennedy, and Scalia accuse Roberts of doing, he asserts precisely the opposite. He refrains from overturning a law that, clearly, he considers ill-advised, badly crafted, and ultimately doomed.
And in so doing, re-creates a rationale for its basis that its crafters vehemently denied.
On Day 1 of oral argument, the incompetent government lawyer Solicitor General Verrilli (Elena Kagan’s former gig)argued for the commerce clause. On day 2, he allowed as to how it might be a tax.
I think the oral argument and all the briefs were largely irrelevant and it ultimately came down to one skittish chief justice trying to avoid “judicial activism” writing a majority opinion that stinks of judicial activism.
one skittish chief justice trying to avoid “judicial activism” writing a majority opinion that stinks of judicial activism.
Well said — also borderline irrational behavior, so maybe it raises a question about Robert’s meds. He just left for couple weeks rest and ‘lecturing’ in Europe — major changes in routine and time zone are known to trigger epileptic fits, so it’ll be interesting to see how he does.
Tell me honestly, what has been accomplished by Roberts decision to turn on the constitution, to do two acts of judicial misconduct within a week (AZ law being the other) that he could not have done by siding with the majority. He could have voiced his opinion with the four dissenting opinions just as well as with the radicals on the court. This was a bad, poorly written, confused mockery of justice. There is no victory in this other than a mobilized base; however, that could turn against us as fears of Romney’s “Repeal and Replace” strategy forces people over to Gary Johnson or some other fringe candidate. The Obama administration can safely say, that their law (Which should be unconstitutional by any sound reason) is constitutional and is a mirror of RomneyCare of Massachusetts. This is what the media is going to report despite the outrage of American’s on the right of this issue. This was a John Marshall political move and unless reviewed and reversed by a new, hopefully more conservative supreme court, will shape the nation forever allowing the government unlimited ability to tax our lack of activity. Any other analysis than this is absurd in my view. I by the way, am mostly voicing the words of renowned legal scholar and founder of the Landmark Legal Foundation, Mark Levin, author of “Men in Black,” a must read.
Now as I have argued (at length; scroll up for a sample), I think Roberts upheld the constitution. What specific legal objection do you have with his ruling?
“I don’t like the outcome” is not a valid objection.
None. No legal objection. The Supreme Courts job is to interpret the law and they did their job.
The Supreme Court of the United States says. “Healthcare reform is a Big Freaking Tax!”
Brett, for objections try the 9th and 10th amendments, you could throw in the 3rd and 5th, why not, they’ve been used & stretched before,then the Roe case, there’s a winner, then search for anything else that might defend freedom. Go for it.
Obama tweeted that healthcare reform is still a BFD (Big Freaking Deal). The President is also selling T-shirts that say the same thing.
I suggest a new sloagn in light of the Supreme Court ruling.
SCOTUS says “Healhcare Reform is a BFT!” Big Freaking TAX!
The Highest court of the country has spoken as President Obama has said. I say we take him up on that.
Roberts is the son the Mad Hatter would have had if he would have had a son.
Forgive me–I’ve not read each and every one of the previous comments. But to me the most important thing about the decision from a tactical viewpoint was to brand it as a tax. And if it is a tax, a revenue measure, then the Constitution requires that it must originate in the House of Representatives, not the Senate where it did. Cannot it not now be attacked on that basis?
No Obamacare can not be attacked on that basis because the House did pass Obamacare. The Senate had to modify the language to use reconsile the bill since they no longer had the votes to pass the bill. Sorry. No solution except one.
Vote for Mitt Romney and republican super majorities to take down what the Supreme Court has ruled is a Big Fraking Tax!
Taxed Enough Already!
Correction: they passed the SENATE’s bill….you know, the one that Harry Reid wheeled into the Capitol building as a two foot-high stack of papers strapped to a dolly. I believe the constitution clearly states that the bill must ORIGINATE in the House. Let me refer you to Frank J. Fleming’s recent (and excellent) post where he pines for a few basically literate volk to subsume the duties of of the SCOTUS by virtue of their abilities to actually read a six page document without being otherwise obtuse and blinded by higher education:
http://pjmedia.com/blog/supreme-disconnect/
okay, so with obamacare? did the baby boom just elect to commit suicide by lack of medical care? or are they aiming at rotting all of medicine in 40 years, which would be killing off Gen X&Y?
b/c honestly, I can’t see medicare finding my dad’s experimental cancer shots as necessary, the day after he retires. that’s all that’s keeping him alive at this point, some mysterious goo he gets shot into him once a month. It’s $1000 a shot, each month.
but then, I can’t see myself lasting too long parked in a chilled hospital hallway, like in Canada. or surviving in a germ-ridden hospital, a la England.
and my husband? is past 40, the cut- off for premium care in the Emanuel’s estimation. I keep wondering if my kids going to college can happen, if he has a heart attack. or if they’ll be indentured to the state via school loans.
or even this whole statistics-based “best practices.” This just seems like a license for evolutionary biology types, like most spit out of California high schools, to go hunting for icky people to kill by absence of care.
One really has to respect a man who can bring a nation to sovietization in three years flat. stockpiling necessities (lightbulbs) business-men on airplane flights ( 80% of air travellers) being treated like they’re riding dirty and subject to prison-quality body inspections, and stopping healthcare innovation in one fine bill, and, oh yeah, making it easy to kill infants. And- stealing an election from a Clinton. Gotta respect that. Making a chicago pol sound high-minded….
As Art Chance writes above ” I think he made a political decision to deprive the Left of having the USSC as the primary focus of the issues in this election.”
I would further add that I’m convinced he decided that protecting the courts esteem in the press was more important than the merits of the case. Since I deeply suspect the motive I can not respect the Jurist or his ruling which can’t support itself under the weight of it’s own contradictions and inconsistencies with the constitution.
First if the bill was actually nothing more than an ingeniously disguised tax it shouldn’t have been ruled on unless and until the tax was implemented thus creating standing for the plaintive. (anti-injunction act)
Second what kind of tax is it? Truth be told Congresses’ taxing authority, while as deep as the deepest pocket, isn’t all that broad. That’s why the authority to tax income required the 16th amendment. It’s not an excise tax and it’s not a head or household tax which must be apportioned. It is not an income tax either as it isn’t triggered by income above a specified level. The amount of tax may be calculated on a curve based on income (as many fees may be) but it is incurred based on inactivity.
Third and perhaps most important, it is not the courts place to design and develop an able defendant’s case. There was almost no oral argument indeed no time scheduled for oral argument on the “tax” defense of the bill.
Our constitution and our liberties were sold out for far less than 30 pieces of silver. The Supreme Court has no reputation to protect with the left, as Justice Roberts will discover the next time he rules contrary to the Bolshevik’s wishes. I’ve no respect and even less use for him after this travesty and I believe there are many more like minded conservatives. We need to stop humoring the charade of an unbiased court and start fighting by the actual rules as opposed to the rules as they “ought” to be, when selecting judicial nominees. We need a “designer” court bench, achieved through the use of undisguised litmus tests if we are going to defeat the threat the judicial branch poses to our liberties. As surely as the leftist agenda can be upheld and advanced in the courts, Freedom’s agenda can just as surely be struck down.
Justice Roberts may have been motivated by the desire to be liked, or the fear of being disliked for reaching an honest decision. I think, however, that he will be reviled by future historians as the man who single-handedly signed the death warrant of the greatest system of government ever devised.
they can’t have it both ways (well I guess they can now that Robersts says so) it’s my understanding that it should not have been before the court if it was a tax because no one had been assesed the tax yet. So they had to rule it wasn’t a tax, before they ruled it was. Actually Roberts is the only 1 of 9 that thinks it’s a tax. And the left has no respect for him still denying that it’s a tax even though that’s the only way it is legal.
Obama and his Socialist Regime with the facilitation of an ACTIVIST Judge have just imposed on the US equivalent of a European Socialist National Insurance (NI) TAX on the American people. They did this by LIES and subterfuge. Prior to the Supreme Court decision the whole Democratic Party and their lick spittle acolytes in the Lame Stream EneMedia had argued LONG and HARD that it was NOT a Tax.
They even did so in their initial presentation to the Supreme Court. Their Universal Commercial Mandate option was quite rightly denied by the Supreme Court .
So it was left to an ACTIVIST Judge in Judge Roberts to REWRITE their badly drawn legislation for them and declare it to be a TAX something they had DENIED it to be. The USA is now way down the path to becoming a debt ridden overspending failed SOCIALIST state like ALL of Europe is.
This wasn’t about legislating from the bench. It was a simple question of whether or not Congress can force citizens to buy something. To argue over what to call it is crazy as it gets. Chief Justice Roberts stepped on the Constitution just as Obama has. I hate to say it but Chief Justice is mor worried about his legacy than saving the Constitution. This is socialized medicine and is against everything our country and Constitution stands for. The Supreme court should have shot it down 9 – 0 and left it at that. They say they don’t get politically involved but it is all about politics and favors here for favors there. The bottom line is Judge Roberts betrayed us . Not just conservatives or liberals or liberitarians, he betrayed the very Constitution he vowed to uphold.
There is a certain person here that is trolling in defense of Roberts’ “brilliant” opinion. I’ll buy this individual’s arguments if and when even just one of the SCOTUS’s past rulings, that was decided based on the Commerce Clause, gets revisited and overturned; for example, Wickard v. Filburn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn.
If using the Commerce Clause was unconstitutional for the case of ObamaCare, as Roberts asserts, then its use must have been equally unconstitutional in at least some of the previous cases that have come before the SCOTUS. But no one is going to go back and revisit anything.
For a decision such as this to be considered as having any value, it must eventually must take on an institutional/concrete realization of some kind. But the sad truth is that Roberts’ decision changes nothing. And how can a written decision that changes nothing, be of any more worth than the scribblings of some first grader?
Roberts’ clever attempt at rearranging the definitions of a few words is of no more intellectual significance than rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Roberts’ “It’s not a penalty, it’s a tax,” is going to be right up there with “it depends on what the definition of is, is,” as a quote that will define his legacy, just as the latter has defined Bill Clinton’s.
Novelty and clever words are not wisdom. Roberts’ opinion strikes me as one that was put together quickly without adequate time to think it through thoroughly. My suspicion is that Roberts only changed his mind in the last few days, and that is why the final decision was posponed from last week to this.
I disagree with what Roberts has done here. But so do the four liberal Justices. As Best of the Web noted, they issued a vitriolic concurrence (written by Ginsberg).
The background of the decision looks very intriguing. The dissent refers several times to the majority opinion as a dissent, is unsigned, and contains a long discussion of whether the rest of the ACA is severable from the mandate (or falls with it) – which is moot, since the mandate stands.
This suggests that it was written initially as a majority decision, perhaps in part by Roberts – and that Roberts switched late. He then wrote the Court’s finding – but on a basis that really ticked off the liberals. Why?
Roberts is temperamentally opposed to striking down legislation – the Roberts Court has done it less than any other Court in the last 60 years or so.
And even some leading opponents of the ACA at the Volokh Conspiracy admitted that it was not obviously unconstitutional.
Roberts may have looked at the whole situation and decided that rather than vote to strike down a major law on less-than-clear grounds, he would sustain it on grounds that its own supporters disclaim, and set it up to be repealed, while also seriously limiting the Commerce Clause authority liberals rely on.
It looks to me like he had the idea for this after the first round of voting. I think it’s too clever. But… if it galvanizes Republicans to gain in the House, win the Senate, and take the Presidency – and they repeal the ACA in toto…
And if the Court follows Roberts’ Commerce Clause findings in curbing or striking down other mischief…
Then he was brilliant.
However, if Obama survives the election, or somehow Republicans fail to win the Senate, or win it too narrowly to support repeal (51 seats may not do it)… then Roberts was too clever for his own good.
Time will tell.
In the meantime, spewing personal abuse at him does no good.
Roberts may have looked at the whole situation and decided that rather than vote to strike down a major law on less-than-clear grounds, he would sustain it on grounds that its own supporters disclaim, and set it up to be repealed, while also seriously limiting the Commerce Clause authority liberals rely on.
Hmm… you write that yet decry other speculation. The Commerce Clause argument is hardly ‘less-than-clear grounds’ — try telling that to Scalia. Also, aside from falling foul of Occam’s Razor, if you’re correct it also means Roberts wandered way off the reservation into territory that ain’t his business. If he wants to play politics, let him resign and run for office.
Largely agree with you that spewing abuse does no good — you won’t find much, either — but relentless criticism does. We certainly need an accelerated mechanism for evicting judges who drop the ball — including Chief Justices. The absurd fiction that these clowns are objective has now got whiskers all over it: look closely at the scales of blind lady Justice and you’ll find a pair of loaded dice. They’ve been there all along.
Roberts just went off on a frolic all his own. Then he promptly left the country. And we peasants are supposed to jump for joy. Dream on.
All of you brilliant constitutional thinkers have a problem a lot bigger than figuring out what spooked John Roberts.
You have a President who’s a lying, cheating, bottom of the deck dealing, America hating, Marxist living in the White House. One bent on destroying the essence of this nation, everything from the rule of law, free enterprise and our system of healthcare to our very ability to protect ourselves from enemies foreign and domestic. Everything in the oath of office Obama took Jan. 21, 2009.
Then this morning, just hours after ObamaCare was Robertised, the Rasmussen Daily Presidential Poll came out. Does anybody have any idea what it revealed? It said Obama leads among likely voters 45% to 44%.
The poster boy of corrupt Presidents is winning. How is that possible?
I can understand a bunch of naive, stupid people voting for Obama once, but twice? On the “fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on you” idiom, Americans have become dumb as dirt. Half of this nation is comprised of fools.
You may say, “Rachel Peepers” is a nobody who’s bringing something up that has nothing to do with what we’re talking about. Well, if we’re concerned with taking back this country from a bunch of marxist miscreants, you’d better be concerned.
In fact, listen to Mark Levin, and you’ll hear him voicing this concern over and over. What kind of people do we have living in this country? Is half of it made up of slacker marxists who hate it from sea to shining sea?
Maybe I’m not explaining myself clearly enough.
Say you have a pro football team and you could have any head coach past or present.
If the American people picked the coaches like they pick Presidents in 2012, half of America would pick Abe Gibron, arguably the worst pro football coach in the history of the game, the other half would hire Vince Lombardi, arguably, the best.
If ObamaCare was overturned, Obama would probably have been beaten on November 6 like a drum.
With the law being turned over on its head by John Roberts, the chances are Obama will be re-elected, 3% of the vote being a result of voter fraud, something Republicans aren’t very good at. Add in the fact that Romney has close friends doing his advertising who are political hacks, and the fact Obama has people twice as talented, and you can start to see the size of the mountain we have to climb to elect Romney.
Yesterday’s vote may have energized Republicans, but, thanks to Mr. Roberts, the mountain just got twice as hard to climb.
Patience, rachel. We need to give this thing time to settle; it’s far too soon to accurately predict likely outcomes just yet. The fact that Romney has collected a very large amount of $$ in the short time span that followed the USSC’s decision is a really good sign, IMO, of positive things to come.
I know this can’t be the real Rachel, because he/she promised that he/she had just made his/her last post a long time ago time ago. But just so my team can be coached by someone alive, I’ll take Bill Belichick. He is in the Bill Parcells, “You are what you are” school of coaches. We are what we are.
great points Rachel Peepers
we live in 2 countries that are entangled into one. The corrupt one of Obama’s vision and including the destruction of the RINO’s for the past 50 years (thanks again Bush family), and the conservative, principled (now minority one). A few states live by the conservative principled ones and should have seceded long ago. Probably too late now as many have been over run by RINO’s, Dems (aka commies) in cities and large towns (look how parts of Montana and Wyoming light up for Obama last time and will again this time.
Even if Roberts had a a conservative principled argument, which I do not believe for one second he had, what principles did the 4 lefties on the court have for this nonsense. All they needed was for one CINO to join them to continue the destruction of the country.
So to your point, it does not matter who coaches, when one team plays by rules and the other could care less about rules, and cheats their way to the championship ( “Saints” my ar$e).
Kennedy, et al, stuck with their principles; as did Sotomeyer, et al. Roberts, on the other hand, made the point that the law as written ‘violates’ the commerce cause. On that basis he should have stuck with his principles and voted it down. Instead, he pandered and re-wrote the law to ensure its enforcement. For any other sort of judge to do this I’d simply say “judicial activism”. Writing law is for the Congress, exclusively. For a SCOTUS justice to do so, I say “treason”. Up against the wall with him. And, I don’t mean that figuratively. He’s worse than that Manning twit who violated his own oath.
This ruling is nothing less than
The John Roberts Enabling Act of
19332012Our banana republic is ruled by banana republic rulers who make banana republic rules over a banana republic electorate.
The enforcement of this legislation is not ensured IF we the educated and taxpaying class do our part. Quit your bitching and get involved locally. Make it extremely impossible for the left to hold on to their power at the local level. Yes, it will require you to work harder and longer outside of your job and familial duties. But nothing worth having is without hard work and sacrifice.
Robert’s made the call and said point blank that if we wish to be a Republic and Free we need to do the heavy lifting. He ruled, as the court should, only on the basis of constitutionality. He said the court should not be a activist court and cannot be seen to be interpreting the Constitution in creative ways. This is why the Leftist judges are pissed enough to write a dissent in the majority opinion. He hamstrung them.
He also by this decision made the Congress stand in the front line in the coming conflict. Exactly where the weasels need to be.
You want freedom and liberty then do your job. Someone said, “Elections have consequences”. And that is the bottom line.
Personal to Brent, If you use Chrome or Firefox the spell check function works in the response dialog box. I am something of a spelling NAZI in the reasoning that words have definitions and those definitions are written in stone. One of the main weapons used by the Left is the perversion of word definition. If a word has no set definition then it can be interpreted to say things that it does not say.
GOD bless you all and BE PREPARED.
I want to think that this is some masterstroke of genius long ball manuveuring by the Chief Justice, we’ll see. But for now…he seems to be a Federalist Society reject.
“The only foundation of a free Constitution, is pure Virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People, in a greater Measure, than they have it now. They may change their Rulers, and the forms of Government, but they will not obtain a lasting Liberty.
John Adams
Wow, lot’s of comment on Roberts here! The fact is that Roberts did precisely what he has always done – he sided with the Chamber of Commerce and big corporations. Don’t think for one minute that silly concepts like “freedom” or “liberty” have any part in this. Perhaps this will serve as a wake up call to others who all too willingly support politicians who only serve their corporate pay masters – Dem and Repub alike – and certainly not the “people”. Sure, sometimes our interests coincide with big money, just as often they don’t.
even if he was doing what some people think he was trying to do, the fact is he could have made the same arguments after ruling it unconstitutional. period! the issue would have been done and obamas fate would have been sealed. oohhh obama lied SCOTUS rules…..we know he was lying..we knew this the entire time. pundite and commentators have been reporting onthis for years. the highest court in the land instead of making a decision, just wrote a ‘PJTV’ article!
if you want an analogy here it is.
- a person breaks into your house to rob you. you engage in a big zorro-esqe swordfight that goes all over. as you disarm him and are ready to make the final blow you stop….pick up his sword..hand it back to him…with a sheild in the hopes you can defeat him with more ‘style’
thats what roberts just did….he had a bird in his hand and threw it away in hopes there were 2 in the bush
Gotta love the absurd irony of Roberts being the only Justice to consider the mandate a tax (except, of course, when he doesn’t consider it a tax) and that consideration being the sole reason the Act stands. This wasn’t a 5-4 decision; it was a 1-8 decision with the one prevailing. I do believe it’s the most peculiar thing I’ve seen the Court do in my lifetime.
And while I appreciate fidelity to the separation of powers doctrine, I don’t appreciate the implication that our only recourse when it comes to liberty-busting, budget-busting, Republic-busting, anti-democratic, unconstitutional crap law like the Affordable Care Act is to not elect the people who make such law. In the land of checks and balances, SCOTUS is our check on the abuse of power that’s inevitable in the other two branches as well as the tyranny of the majority. Are we resigned to watching our country go down the tubes by extra-constitutional means just because we fail to persuade 51 percent of our fellow citizens to do the right thing or fail to persuade our representatives to do the right thing once elected? Screw that.
I don’t know why Roberts did what he did. No one does. But I do know he shouldn’t have done it. So, no, I won’t be thanking Mr. Roberts in advance for his “reckless restraint” (for one thing, I can’t imagine ever wanting to see ill-advised, badly crafted, clearly unconstitutional law upheld even if it is ultimately doomed). To the contrary, Chief Justice Roberts is dead to me.
And this is not whining. This is pissed off.
“In the land of checks and balances…”
We now live in a banana republic. Unless we want to do something about it.
“..(for one thing, I can’t imagine ever wanting to see ill-advised, badly crafted, clearly unconstitutional law upheld even if it is ultimately doomed).”
Roberts couldn’t imagine it either; his decision illustrates that.
No, that is whining. Actually, it’s crying. Boo hoo. “Activist judges” are those we disagree with, eh? If they’d followed your unenlightened view, you’d have nothing but kind words. Complete hypocrite.
Roberts said “it is not our job to protect the people from the consequence of their political choices.”
Strange, I thought the Constitution specified part of the “job” as protecting individuals, and States from the consequences of others electing over-reaching, power mad, control freaks.
The Republic is dead.
I know the Constitution doesn’t spell it out as the “job”.
Seems that Justice Roberts and this Administration belong to the same Order. The tree trunk is the same they only differ in how to apply each their own philosophies. This Administration called it a Mandate and Roberts called it a Tax. We’ll have the right answer next Nov.
I just wanted to say thanks for the entertainment. It’s fun to see the right-wing loonies all in a frothy tizzy over something as silly as this.
Mitt Romney wrote Obamacare. Forcing Americans to pay for health insurance is a business-friendly Republican idea (just look at the origins of the idea, back when Republicans wrote it during President Clinton’s attempt at giving Americans a better healthcare system).
I especially like that some of you have names based on Ayn Rand’s sociopathic novels. It’s hard to outgrow the convictions of selfish teenage years when you’re an uneducated, greedy, selfish, and immoral whiner.
Fools will always vote for the right-wing, whether they were those who read Goebbels or those who read Beck (or Ott). While fools shriek about government, they agitate only for greater corporate control of all our lives.
Anti-government in a democracy = anti-democracy. It really is that simple.
Kicking the bums out will not help until you first kick the lobbies out. Until you have the cajones to do that, you’re just tools for the corporate machine. Welcome to Fox’s cloud-cuckoo land!
Neil,is not cajones is cojones and by the way any good decent spanish mother will send you to clean your mouth with a lot of soap and water.That word that is used frequently is vulgar and unnecessary.