Just How Leftist Has the Democratic Party Become?
The ADA is not the only group that puts out congressional vote ratings. A look at the American Conservative Union’s (ACU) vote ratings confirms the ADA findings that the Democratic Party in Congress has become almost exclusively a club for liberals. According to the ACU’s statistics (based on 25 votes), 98 percent of House Democrats voted against the ACU position at least two-thirds of the time, and 92 percent of the Democratic representatives voted against the ACU’s position at least four-fifths of the time.
But as remarkably liberal as the House Democrats were in 2008 according to the ACU’s statistics, the Democrats in the upper chamber were even more so. An astonishing 94 percent of the Democratic senators voted against the ACU’s position at least four-fifths of the time in 2008, and not one Democratic senator managed to escape the liberal third.
However, the liberal composition of the congressional Democratic caucuses perhaps becomes most apparent when you look at the performance of that group of maverick Democrats known as the Blue Dogs. Of the current Blue Dogs that were serving in 2008, the typical (median) member voted with the ACU only 12 percent of the time. And this from a group that claims on its website that it was formed “with the goal of representing the center of the House of Representatives and appealing to the mainstream values of the American public.”
The performance of these Blue Dogs in 2008 was actually quite close to the typical congressional Democrat’s woeful performance over the entire ten-year period between 1999 and 2008. During this period the typical Democrat in the House averaged an ACU score of 8, while the typical Democrat in the Senate averaged an ACU score of 10.
So as you can see, the Democratic Party — a party that had tried to give us HillaryCare before Barack Obama even attained his first elective office — had lurched left before The One came to town. It had clearly taken up residence on the far left no later than 2007, as 91 percent of the Democrats in the House and 96 percent of the Democrats in the Senate voted against the ACU’s position at least 80 percent of the time that year — a year in which the typical Democrat in the House voted against the ACU position every single time.
The good news is there is an upside to America’s dreadful decision to give these people complete control. They are out in the open now, and if it turns out that Katy Abram was on to something back in August when she told Arlen Specter “you have awakened the sleeping giant,” a party this far to the left of the American center is going to have a hell of a time putting him back to sleep. What did Obama say about putting lipstick on a pig?
I think everyone knows the Dems are far left and left mostly with just a small handful that could be called center left…
The problem is that the repubs have a good number of leftists in them as well… though they are mostly centrist…
What we need is a rightwing party something the repubs refuse to be… the tea party may well become the rightwing party that balances out vs the dems left and far left ideology….we can oly hope.
Excellent article, thanks
This, of course, is no surprise. My take on the reason is simple. The liberals control the campaign funds. Just as importantly, they control the media. Many pols, Pubs included, drift to the Left in an effort to appease the Dinosaur Media. They fear the “power” of the Media.
The thing is, that’s an old paradigm, quickly becoming outdated. Even McCain is waking up to the new reality, and so, is moving rightward. He always follows the popular drift, and the drift is away from “liberalism”.
It may be too late for him, as he is facing strong challengers in his re-election bid. I pray that he is unseated. THAT’d be a glorious day. The killing of McCain-Feingold by the SCOTUS might just help that process along.
A lot of non elected Democrats are realizing they are in the wrong party. Revulsion toward the corrupt GOP means the ranks of Independents will continue to swell. These may be the ones we’ve been waiting for. Change happens.
In the past, had you ever taken a look at the Democratic Socialist of America website you would be amazed at how many Dems in Congress are true socialists (removed). But our side continues to NOT call them by what they are-in favor of the more appealing liberals, which they are not.
Sure the problem is that they are left and the as Malone@3 pointed out controls the information paths to the public, but the bigger problem for the country is that the right has no spine. We have Sen Hatch always calling the opposition “my friend such and such” and when someone from our side takes a stand like Cong. Wilson with his “you lie” line, our side joins with the left in eathing him.
Had we a strong voice-even Palin would do-we could do much better at both telling our story and convincing the American public of the lies the left has told over the years. For instance, how do white Dems in middle America vote for Dem pols who support affirmative action? Is that not the essence of cutting your nose off to spite your face??? It is because they have been so convinced that voting for a program that is inherently NOT in their best interest is right, and because nobody on the right has the ba&&@ to sat it.
That the Dems have lurched left is of no surprise. What is a surprise is that the right has also gone left.
The natural human lust for absolute power over others has been partially contained by our Constitution, but it can never be eradicated. Those Americans who are frothing with this lust have moved as a group into the democratic party and have completely subsumed it. Wilson, a vicious and terrible man, started it, but FDR was just as bad. The final transformation was reached by the primary system of McGovern (a communist) and it has been a straight line from there to Maxine Waters.
No one should be suprised by this.
The Democrats are neither liberal nor progressive. The only thing liberal about them is how they liberally spend the taxpayers’ money and the only thing progressive about them are the progressive tax rates they have imposed on us. And oh yes – I think that when the TV networks chose the blue and red colors they made a fundamental error. The Democrat-voting states should be the ones in red. (BTW I think chose red for the Republican states is that it the color suggested red-necks.)
Isn’t the real question — which has been, I believe, the source of some discussion amongst blog sites of a right-leaning nature — is how right wing nutcasey is right wing nutcasey enough to be considered a true conservative these days?
Any link between contemporary Democrats and America’s founding principles is difficult to detect.
The Democratic has drifted far enough left to safely be considered distinctly anti-Jeffersonian.
The Democrat party has drifted far enough left to safely be considered distinctly anti-Jeffersonian.
The problem isn’t that “conservatives” have been ousted from the Democrat(ic) Party. It’s that they’ve done a thorough job of driving even the moderates out.
As Zell Miller, a moderate-conservative Democrat, pointed out in his book “A National Party No More”, if someone in the Party doesn’t agree with the extreme liberal/”progressive”/outright socialist-bordering-on-bomb-throwing-leftist branch’s dogmas, their chances of attaining a national leadership position are exactly zero. At best, they will end up in a ceremonial slot purely for “prestige” purposes, or to act as camouflage for their leaders’ lust for playing Mao, Khrushchev, or Castro. And if they don’t “toe the mark”, even seniority won’t save them from a public stoning by the “enlightened elite’” of the Party, who not only will not tolerate dissent, but can’t even handle someone telling them that the train is two feet from them.
(Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you- Senator Joseph Lieberman.)
The amazing thing is that while the Democrats have spent the last fifty-plus years engaged in this level of internal Holy Inquisition, they have been decrying the Republicans supposedly doing even worse- and thanks to the (Democratic-dominated) news media, people actually bought it.
The fact is, there are far more “moderates” in the supposedly “arch-conservative/reactionary” GOP today than would even be allowed in the “ideologically pure” ranks of the modern Democrats, and a large percentage of them are either (a) from traditionally Democrat backgrounds and/or families, or (b) started out as Democrats themselves, before coming to the conclusion that they were no longer welcome in the Party.
People like Ronald Reagan. Or people like me.
The proof of the pudding is this. Based on their policies, both foreign and domestic, as well as their political philosophies, neither Harry Truman nor John F. Kennedy would be welcome in the Party’s leadership today. It’s even debatable if FDR himself would be. After all, he was in favor of building dams (anti-environment), building railroads (really anti-environment), drilling for oil and developing nuclear power (horrors!), building up the military (pro-”military-industrial complex”), and finally actually going to war with it, up to and including using nuclear weapons (warmonger!).
(The only reason modern Dems wouldn’t try to accuse FDR of being the guy with the toothbrush mustache is that FDR was up against the real thing. Today, he probably wouldn’t be so “lucky”.)
The only thing the modern Dems would approve of re FDR would be his domestic economic policies- which he shamelessly copied from Herbert Hoover, which The One is also copying, and which most likely prolonged the Depression, instead of ending it. Yes, folks, it took World War Two to actually end it, sorry to state. And the postwar slump was as much the after-effects of the policies of 1930-39 inclusive as it was the result of VE Day and VJ Day.
“Facts are stubborn things”, as someone once said. And the facts in the case of the modern Democrat(ic) Party speak for themselves.
What they have to say is neither pleasant nor particularly reassuring.
clear ether
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Last sentence should have said:
(BTW I think the networks chose red for the Republican states because that color suggests red-necks.)
Nearly as fascist as the Republican party has become.
Note how those of us who haven’t changed our political opinions (we still believe in limited government, a strong national defense, low taxes and responive representatives) are now branded as “right-wing extremists”. This just demontrates how far to the left the Democrat party has moved.
Dang! The Democrats are … Canadians!
Why are the PJM bloggers all middle-aged white people? (I would have said white guys, but two womenfolk slipped in unnoticed.)
What difference does it make whether you call them liberal or left.
Take the gloves off, don’t play by their rules. Call a child by its
proper name and the name, in whatever political party is STATIST
TOTALITARIAN, left or right. Remember John Mitchell, Jimmy Carters’ Attorney General, and he ought to have known : WATCH WHAT WE DO NOT WHAT WE SAY. And also Bert Lance another of Jimmy Carter’s men, IF IT AIN’T BROKE DON’T FIX IT
To 8. BC
That question really is meaningless since one really has to fine the meaning of “true conservative”… if we are to take some ppl like hannity or o’reilly as “true conservatives” then one doesn’t even need to be rightwing since both are centrist and one could argue that hannity is center left. “Conservatives” in the US are almost all strictly centrist… some lean center left or right but they are all pretty much centrists… which is why their completely worthless.
I think that today’s Democratic party in America is very much like the old, ‘Labor party,’ in England. Socialist policies, massive union influence, taxation on the wealthy and on wealthy instituions, are all very much, Great Britain circa, the ’70′s.’ It was only when the Labor party had moved so far to the left, and the arrival of people like Mrs. Thatcher, that the party realised that change was needed, the ploitics of the left were no longer acceptable. Mrs. Thatcher changed the reduced of the unions, taxes were reduced, and the people were allowed to decide for themselves just how they would spend spare cash.
It took the coming of Tony Blair to truly change the Labor party, he moved it to the center, in fact he admired Mrs. Thatcher. and many of his voiced opinions were very much based on her play book.
I would suggest that the Democratic party needs a Tony Blair to come along, someone who can govern from the center, whilst still holding on to, ‘acceptable,’ socialist views. I am not sure that I could vote for a person such as I describe, but I bet I could work with him/her were I in the Congress or the Senate.
“Nearly as fascist as the Republican party has become.”
Wow, I am so impressed. I personally own about a hundred books on the fascist era during WW II. As I write these words, there is a shelf about twelve inches away from my computer screen containing a number of volumes focused solely on the everyday existence of Germans living in the Nazi regime. Could you possibly enlighten us to what books and articles that you have read on the subject? Are you aware that both Pajamas Media regular contributors Michael Ledeen and Ron Radosh have even written scholarly works on fascism?
(1) The Democratic Party got taken over by the statists, socialists, with the reforms of the Party rules by George McGovern.
(2) An article in the Wall Street Journal last week attributes the change in the Democratic Party to an executive order by President J. F. Kennedy in 1962 allowing civil servants – government employees – to form unions.
Americans are now learning just what Leftism is, and they are learning that it is corrupt, elitist, anti-democratic, and anti-American.
David Thompson, don’t bother soliciting intelligent rebuttal from lefty trolls as it is a practice in futility. To the likes of sheeziks, BC, et.al. fascist is just another sound bite smear, like racist. Your assuming they have given the actual definitons any thought gives them way too much credit. I’ve visited here for years and am constantly bemused by their incapacity to comment without insult. To them debate is just a shit fight and smears are merely rhetorical turds to be flung. They are handy for so persistently and diligently proving this point however…
My family used to be lifelong Democrats. My grandparents had a framed portrait of JFK hanging on the kitchen wall like he was the Pope. Then along came Jimmy Carter. No one in my family has voted D since.
Could we please stop calling “liberals” the marxist radicals ?
It would make everybody’s work easier.
THEY want to hug chavez and fidel,
we want to kick them out of power.
Thanks in advance.
“David Thompson, don’t bother soliciting intelligent rebuttal from lefty trolls as it is a practice in futility. To the likes of sheeziks, BC, et.al. fascist is just another sound bite smear, like racist.”
I was just trying to have some fun. Do I always have to be nice? These individuals are invariably poorly educated. Grade inflation is now the norm. Our trolls almost certainly fail to realize the extent of their ignorance because it is very possible they received high grades during their college years. Academic standards in the softer disciplines have become something of a joke. The charge of fascism is more often than not employed inaccurately. Those uttering the accusation rarely have any actual knowledge concerning the fascist doctrines of Hitler of Mussolini.
Let us not try to dissuade Democrats from becoming more and more leftist. Please keep going left. Further … further … further… right off the cliff. Goodbye.
20. David Thomson:
Could you possibly enlighten us to what books and articles that you have read on the subject?
Easy. Hundreds.
Next.
@28 skeeziks:
“20. David Thomson: Could you possibly enlighten us to what books and articles that you have read on the subject?”
Easy. Hundreds.
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Uh-huh. Except DT’s question pertained to which specific volumes on the subject you actually have intimate knowledge of, not the number of book titles you Googled.
The Internet makes for a pretty effective intellectual cloaking device, huh.
Obama and his ilk are the best reason for Americans to vote conservative in the next election. Notice I said “conservative,” not simply Republican. Support only candidates that will stick to conservative core values, such as small government, a balanced budget (I wish), and reduced government spending. That’s spending CUTS, NOT spending freezes at high spending levels. The only problem is that we need a true conservative to rally around to carry the day against this petty socialist we now have in the White House. Ronald Reagan, where are you when we so desperately need you? Is there anyone out there like him? Jim Demint, perhaps?
“20. David Thomson:
Could you possibly enlighten us to what books and articles that you have read on the subject?
Easy. Hundreds.”
Really? Well, here are a few titles of a the twelve books I have pulled off the shelf next to me:
1.) Social Policy in the Third Reich: The Working Class and the “National Community, by Tim Mason
2.) Mothers in the Fatherland: Women, the Family and Nazi Politics, by Claudia Koonz
3.) The Salaried Classes: Duty and Distraction in Weimar Germany, Siegfried Kracauer
4.) The Politics of Cultural Despair: A Study of the Germanic Ideology, by Fritz Stern
Are you even faintly aware of their existence? And please, it would behoove you to precisely inform us regarding the allegedly fascist behavior of Republicans like George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. Do you think you might be so kind?
31. David Thomson:
You’d think that somewhere in your volumes of experience you would discover that it’s “fascistic” behavior, not “fascist” behavior. Perhaps you should start from the beginning.
David Thomson:
You overestimate this skeeziks. He is the most stupid troll here. He does not read books at all. He is not even capable of understanding longer sentences. He is still waiting for the comic version of Lenin’s collected works. This is the modern liberal, the product of modern education: not really reading anything, but knowing everything.
31. David Thomson: It’s important to remember that skeeziks, moho, now and then or whatever she is calling herself is a 400 lb woman, and a shut in with severe emotional disorders. She works from home because she is not mobile enough to work elsewhere.
Yet another pointless PJM article about facts long known – facts that will never be changed because of anything published in this forum.
The sad reality is that the voting statistics of elected Democrat officials is anything but “astounding”. And reacting to these statistics with Rick-Moran-style “feigned perplexity” and faux “astonishment” will never change it. What’s worse, it will never change its destructive impact on this Republic.
So… this is “Conservatism 2.0″, eh? Or was that just a clever-sounding, new media moniker that’s since been tossed in the bit bucket? Was it just intended to fool people into thinking PJM would – someday – start offering a pro-active alternative to the relentlessly reactive tone that now dominates the site? Because, so far, that tone is 99% whining about how the Democrats are destroying America and 1% suggestions and discussion of practical ideas focused on what to actually do about it other than idly watching the Democrats destroy America.
What I’d like to know is who will win the battle for the soul of the Republican Party. Does anyone here actually care about that at all? Because our current situation makes that the only question worth considering.
Where is the PJM bandwidth dedicated to fixing what “skeeziks” unwittingly but accurately observes as the Republican Party’s leftist, fascist leanings?
Right now we’re beset with a government comprised of far-far-left ideologues on one side, and a combination of far- and center-left quislings on the other. The latter are exactly the sort Mussolini exploited in furthering his corporatist agenda (apropos the image of America’s first far-left, fascist president: Woodrow Wilson).
What’s PJM’s interest in fixing that problem?
What is PJM and its cast of authors doing to help restore some balance to the political landscape of the U.S.A.? The fake, puppet-theater conflict in which these two sides engage seems to be all PJM can bring itself to focus on. Are the advertising bucks only to be made by endlessly sniping at BHO and the Democrats? Whining about RINOs? Or are there alternatives to be proposed and planning to be done by way of implementing those alternatives?
Bueller? Anyone?
skeez@16: I have said before that you must be a paid troll, but I am mistaken. Even the most fervent left-looney bin Kos or HuffPos site would not hire you. Even your use of quick, albeit lame and tedious, repartee is getting old and not sufficient enough to induce them to hire you.
The sheer immaturity, lack of creative thought and reasoned logic, the use of reprehensible and rupugnant language, combined with the intellectual capacity of a hammer will forever limit you to being just a zit-faced, spoiled brat always pretending to be on the hip side. You are the white kid who wears the over-sized brimmed baseball cap turned askew and baggy pants who listens to rap and tries to act black so as to be hip and cool.
16. skeeziks:
Why are the PJM bloggers all middle-aged white people? (I would have said white guys, but two womenfolk slipped in unnoticed.)
—————–
Danger, Will Robinson, racist approaching!
Just another in a long line of “Lost in Space” liberals.
Btw, just in case you’re lost(and you are), dkos is that way——>
We need to remove every Democrat from office at every level of government.
To #12: Jack in Silver Spring
I said in 2000 that the reason the MSM chose blue for Dems & red for the GOP is b/c all of us have been in school, & in all American history texts, the ‘bad guys’ (or enemies of the US government) are always marked by red. (E.g., maps, text, graphs, charts, etc.) The British, the Indians, the Confederacy, the Spanish (Sp-Am War), the Central Powers, the Axis, the Communists, etc. Conversely, the US government (usually the ‘good guys’) is always represented by blue.
It is, I believe, a subtle way of marking out conservatives as the ‘bad guys.’ And really, it may not have even been intentional (at a conscious level) by the MSM. Perhaps they just have such a visceral hatred of conservatives, & truly believe we are evil, that they did it.
Just thinking…
Democrats: Party of Bill Ayers, Small-”C” Communist
The democratic party died in Dallas.
28. skeeziks.
“20. David Thomson:
Could you possibly enlighten us to what books and articles that you have read on the subject?
Easy. Hundreds.
Next.”
“Next” like next I.D.?
Sleazits. This is good old Now and Then doin’ the moho.
Come on with the denial you Handsome Mixed European – American Next Turkey With a Touch of Black. Say it ain’t so. Be brave.
What the hell, what’s the purpose anyway? Why lie about who you are? Really Now, getting down to moho level, well, did you get the upper or lower bunk in the cesspool?
The lameness here with the Modern Liberals is beyond what might be imagined at a Berkeley city council meeting about science, behind closed doors. Aren’t Modern Liberals supposed to be cool?
The search function in the upper left corner of the PJM homepage can be very useful, and quite revealing. Enter muslim or Palin and take it from there.
Basically, it will provide a record of just how disingenuous a Modern Liberal Turkey can be. Great articles by the PJM staff. Hat tip. And many laughs at the Modern Liberal version of radium therapy.
Anvil Johnson? Why not use his name, you Handsome Mixed European – American Next Turkey With a Touch of Black? Then you could at least channel something perceived as cool. Hip. Cool. So cool. Get a life cool. Cool. Lame.
Did moho and you reconcile? How are those little dog/turkey hybrids doing? Did you go total commie and make an omelet? Who did you serve it to? Mr. President?
Bast away baby!
Gobble gobble Goebbels!
Mr. Wickersham,
The evidence presented in your article pertaining to the liberal face of Democratic Reps (funny, considering Obama and Co. ‘speak’ of practicing bipartisanship constantly.. when it’s mentally impossible for these folks) in this day and age goes back to the 60′s.
Obama’s, ‘..spread the wealth around’ comment is what America has precisely been doing for nearly 50 years. Giving power to the uneducated, undeserving have-nots.
I find it ironic robotech monster’s #18 comment calling center-left, center-right voters ‘useless’. Why those are PROVEN to be the most bipartisan people! You know, to look at a topic and not be lock-step for their party’s take on the matter. Way to ‘think’ through that comment, robo..
Oh, and skeeziks – I think your webcam is broken.
I’m a 34 year old healthy, active, diseased-free (sorry dude, married) white man.. I’ve another 10 years or so ’til that ‘middle age white man’ title.
And here I thought liberal folks such as yourself didn’t like to placate people, races, religion and such due to being a ‘liberal’.
What a joke..
42. Mr Lucky:
What the hell, what’s the purpose anyway? Why lie about who you are?
Well, MR LUCKY . . .
33. Thomas Fink:
You overestimate this skeeziks. He is the most stupid troll here. He does not read books at all. He is not even capable of understanding longer sentences. He is still waiting for the comic version of Lenin’s collected works. This is the modern liberal, the product of modern education: not really reading anything, but knowing everything.
most stupid should be stupidest – superlative form
understanding longer sentences – longer than what? – comparative form requires two elements
comic version of Lenin’s collected works – you mean comic book version, they’re already comic
the product of modern education – modern meaning what?
You find that stuff in books and school and, if you’re lucky, in your very own head. Don’t worry, Señor Fink, there’s a place in this modern world for everybody, even you.
45. skeeziks.
“42. Mr Lucky:
What the hell, what’s the purpose anyway? Why lie about who you are?
Well, MR LUCKY . . .”
“Well” skeeziks Now and Then. Turkey Basting Made Simple!
Hail Rush! Go Sarah! The signature phrase of the Handsome Mixed European – American sleazits Turkey With a Touch of Black AKA Now and Then.
A bit of a coincidence here? Or just the usual Modern Liberal needing confirmation of its existence?
Hail Rush! Go Sarah! Just a rip off? There’s the way out! Use it. Or a parallel a universe?
A quick search reveals…
First this as sleazits –
Filmmaker Who Outed ACORN in Prostitution Sting Arrested
January 26, 2010
- by Dan Riehl
129. skeeziks:
Hail Rush! Go Sarah! Onward Scott!
Jan 28, 2010 – 7:51 am
As Now and Then, from -
Time for Sarah to Grapple
December 8, 2009
- by Bill Siegel
181. Now and Then:
Hail Matthew. Go PatGund!
Dec 10, 2009 – 7:19 am
And. from -
Palin Mainstreams the Birthers
December 4, 2009
- by Rick Moran
111. Now and Then:
Hail Rush, Go Sarah.
Dec 4, 2009 – 1:23 pm
233. Now and Then:
Hail Rush. Go Sarah!
Dec 5, 2009 – 7:03 am
388. Now and Then:
Hail Rush, Go Sarah!
Dec 6, 2009 – 3:46 pm
426. Now and Then:
Hail Rush, Go Sarah!
Dec 7, 2009 – 5:35 pm
Anvil would approve? He’s there too.
Gobble gobble Goebbels!
skeeziks @ #13: Inform yourself by reading Jonah Goldberg’s Liberal Fascism. The party of the real fascists here starts with a D.
This is ridiculous. Most leftist and liberals haven’t gotten ANYTHING that they have wanted: no public option, no card check, no pullout of Afghanistan and Iraq, no tax increases.
hahaha, this proves a comment made by Sarah Palin recently.
She’d said Democratic politicians aren’t able to discuss differences on the issues with their Republican, Independent cohorts.
‘It’s not in their DNA..’.
hahaha, man that must burn up you liberals. Palin is dead-on with this comment with reference to National Review’s findings.
But, but this goes against everything a ‘liberal’ is supposed to represent, encompass. Open to others lifestyles, sexualities, opinions, et al.,
Thrashing About on the Left
Take former Clinton Secretary of Labor, Robert Reich. As Henny Youngman used to add, Please!!
Reich, or Reisshhh as Rush Limbaugh calls him, is so consumed by vile, sick venom that he sees a Fox under every bed. Not a red fox or a Megan Fox or a Redd Fox but that most vicious of all foxes, the Fox News Channel.
Now, Mr. Reich is a brilliant man, or so we’re told. We’re also told Paul Krugman is a brilliant man, Barack Obama is a brilliant man, and Bill Clinton is a brilliant man. In fact, just about all liberals are brilliant men, even VP Joe Biden who manages to conceal his remarkable brilliance better than most.
Mr. Reich, writer, politician, academic, political commentator, and multi-degreed professor currently serving in the belly of the beast, UC Berkeley, suffers from the tunnel vision that afflicts most lefties, the tunnel vision that sees only the skewed liberal perspective, a redundancy.
With that life view, . . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=1454)
skeeziks (13):
Nearly as fascist as the Republican party has become.
Please tell me how you define “fascist”. You seem to have a rather strange definition of it.
“Could you possibly enlighten us to what books and articles that you have read on the subject?”
Just as basic primers, I recommend “Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Change” by Jonah Goldberg and “Modern Fascism: The Threat to the Judeo-Christian Worldview ” by Gene Veith. (The former builds on the latter). Both are scholarly yet easy to read and have lots of references.
52. Paul of Alexandria:
I have my definition of fascist. You have yours. Nobody needs to hear either. I have the same point of view that you do: I’m right.
36. blotto:
Your ire betrays your jealousy. You can’t match my skill with logic or language. That upsets you. I understand. But have faith! There are many opportunities for the lesser children of god like yourself. Perhaps volunteer work. Maybe a stint crafting of three-cornered hats. Flag pin polisher? The possibilities are endless in this great nation of ours if you just believe. It’s up to you! You don’t have to spiral down to that big conservative hole in the ground. But if you do, take heart, there are many familiar faces down there ready to lend a helping hand. You betcha.
skeeziks, I didn’t realize 180 degrees of separation can have the same end result for the meaning of ‘fascism/ fascist’.
Apparently the George Costanza line, ‘It isn’t a lie if believe it’ has really sunk its hook in ya.
I’ll say this, you keep me laughing with your comments..
In other words, from skeeziks corner, ‘Stop the fight, Ref’!
skeez@55: “You can’t match my skill with logic or language.” LOL
You said this…I didn’t and you are sooo right. Your “skill” at dissembling and deceit cannot be matched by logic or language. Thank you for making my point.
I love it!
blotto:
What do you call that?
Better yet, what do you call this:
wing the recent Supreme Court ruling in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission to allow unlimited corporate funding of federal campaigns, Murray Hill Inc. today announced it was filing to run for U.S. Congress and released its first campaign video.
“Until now,” Murray Hill Inc. said in a statement, “corporate interests had to rely on campaign contributions and influence peddling to achieve their goals in Washington. But thanks to an enlightened Supreme Court, now we can eliminate the middle-man and run for office ourselves.”
Murray Hill Inc. is believed to be the first “corporate person” to exercise its constitutional right to run for office. As Supreme Court observer Lyle Denniston wrote in his SCOTUSblog, “If anything, the decision in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission conferred new dignity on corporate “persons,” treating them — under the First Amendment free-speech clause — as the equal of human beings.”
Murray Hill Inc. agrees. “The strength of America,” Murray Hill Inc. says, “is in the boardrooms, country clubs and Lear jets of America’s great corporations. We’re saying to Wal-Mart, AIG and Pfizer, if not you, who? If not now, when?”
Murray Hill Inc. plans on spending “top dollar” to protect its investment. “It’s our democracy,” Murray Hill Inc. says, “We bought it, we paid for it, and we’re going to keep it.”
57. paul_unalaska:
‘Stop the fight, Ref’ . . . I think you have me confused with Sarah Palin.
60. skeeziks.
“I think you have me confused with Sarah Palin.”
Holy shit. What next?
“Hail Rush! Go Sarah!”
129. skeeziks:
Got a love a man with convictions.
Hail Rush! Go Sarah! Onward Scott!
Jan 28, 2010 – 7:51 am
Now and Then:
Hail Rush, Go Sarah!
Dec 7, 2009 – 5:35 pm
The Modern Liberal Liar Speaks!
55. skeeziks.
“Your ire betrays your jealousy. You can’t match my skill with logic or language.”
Then check this bit of “logic” out. Take a look at the whole drool at #59. It’s so out there.
59. skeeziks:
“Murray Hill Inc. plans on spending “top dollar” to protect its investment. “It’s our democracy,” Murray Hill Inc. says, “We bought it, we paid for it, and we’re going to keep it.”
Voting anybody? “You can’t match my skill with logic…” “Skill”? ” Logic”? Hopscotch?
I suppose that the Handsome Mixed European – American sleazits Turkey With a Touch of Black AKA Now and Then does not understand the concept of voting. Of course in the Modern Liberal cesspool, votes don’t count, only correct thought, proper friends and a whole lot of $$$ qualifies you to be ruler. The natural order of things.
And this from Mr. Liberal Logic himself. And being dishonest about who one is means nothing at all as well. Did you take your gobble from Mr. President, you Handsome Mixed European – American sleazits Lying Turkey With a Touch of Black AKA Now and Then? Anything goes as long faking it makes it happen.
More lies. It’s a way of life.
129. skeeziks:
Got a love a man with convictions.
Hail Rush! Go Sarah! Onward Scott!
Jan 28, 2010 – 7:51 am
“Convictions”?
skeeziks:
“You act like I’m trying to hide my identity,…”
Jan 28, 2010 – 3:06 pm
So do you hide it?
Does Anvil Johnson wants you to disavow that cool black part you lean on?
Mr Lucky . . . do you ever notice that I’m the only person who ever talks to you? You should be careful or I’ll let you drift into total isolation.
62. skeeziks
Damned by your own cesspool world.
“Got a love a man with convictions.”
Hey liar. Talk to anyone about it. Lay it out Mr. Liberal Logic. All those Now and Then comments. ” Hail Rush! Go Sarah .”You just couldn’t help it. Logic. Logic. Like that “Hailing” is all over the place. Wow! Everybody uses that phrase. Everybody! Nobody. Hung it right around the Modern Liberal Turkey neck. Liar.
So now its “You have no standing? How right on bro, Check out your mirror.. What’s there?
How about a simple declarative statement – “I am not Now and Then”. How about that? There must be a shred of ethics there. No, too late.
What part of honesty don’t you understand?
The Modern Liberal Handsome Mixed European – American sleazits l Turkey With a Touch of Black Liar Speaks! So eloquent. So so choice! Top cut Liberal Logic.
6. skeeziks.
“Uh-huh . .. hehehehehe . .. bwaaaaaaaaaaaa . . . *spews coffee all over keyboard* . . . literally rolling on the floor, running around the neighborhood laughing . . literally . . . really . . . surpised much? No! . . . . bwaaaaaaaaaaa.”
Jan 26, 2010 – 3:21 pm
“Hail Rush! Go Sarah!”
129. skeeziks:
Got a love a man with convictions.
Hail Rush! Go Sarah! Onward Scott!
Jan 28, 2010 – 7:51 am
Now and Then:
Hail Rush, Go Sarah!
Dec 7, 2009 – 5:35 pm
Need a reminder about Anvil. Or did you forget that too.
Goy # 35: I wouldn’t be so harsh with the author. The average voter is generally unwilling or unable to consume data or statistics. That is why Obama and the Democrats can spew their inane sound bites without much challenge. So we need repetition – almost sloganeering around certain facts that automatically refute the BS. So when Obama says that Republicans won’t “reach across the aisle”, instead of mouthing “you lie”, they can say “98% ADA socialist approved voting”. Sort of like “forty four fifty or fight”.
Having said that, I agree that this forum too often deteriorates as everyone over-reacts to the trolls. I believe that is their purpose actually. And as for Republicans – they are enjoying this opportunity to identify with personal liberty and small government but you know that both parties believe in their own brand of big government. The reason the democrats have ascended now, I feel, is that their way of stealing our liberties seems less threatening than that of extreme Republicans and their religion-in-government, anti-abortion, anti-gay, war-on-drugs campaigning.
I am hoping the Republicans can seriously adopt a much more libertarian, small government platform because our two party system is so entrenched and virtually unchallengeable
Geeez, everyone here is letting skeeziks do what every typical liberal does, and that is deflect, deflect, deflect. Whenever a liberal cannot argue the facts of the presented article or debate, he will deflect attention from the article, and this is done through a number of ways… most typically, he will deflect attention through multiple personal attacks, which is EXACTLY what he’s doing! He is nothing but a bomb thrower, here in a desperate attempt to deflect attention away from the important facts in the article, so IGNORE HIM! You will never win a debate with him because he will either deflect the debate in a moment’s notice to something completely off topic, or he will distract you with personal attacks. Don’t feed the troll, and he will eventually go away!
@64. Mike G: – The average voter is generally unwilling or unable to consume data or statistics.
Well, I wasn’t referring to the average voter’s awareness of these statistics. I was referring to the reaction of those who claim to know what they are. IMHO, it’s pointless and a waste of resources to opine over the current state of the Democrat party, that’s all. Nothing published here is going to change it, at least not directly. Rather, I feel that applying effort to fixing the GOP is a much higher priority… IF your goal is to preserve the Republic, rather than sell adds, publish clever critique and play internet journalist.
- That is why Obama and the Democrats can spew their inane sound bites without much challenge.
I disagree completely. These people spew their deceit because no one in The Left Wing Media actually challenges them at all. This is why the most popular and most trusted news source in America is relentlessly demonized by the left – precisely because they have the audacity to challenge that deceit.
- And as for Republicans – they are enjoying this opportunity to identify with personal liberty and small government but you know that both parties believe in their own brand of big government.
I agree completely. That’s the problem at the heart of the threat to the Republic. Balance is disappearing. Unfortunately, PJM seems to be promoting the fallacious “big tent” approach to getting ahead in politics, which does exactly nothing to reverse that trend. We’ve been trying that route for decades, as it turns out, and it hasn’t worked.
#65 Jennifer—–One never gets too old to learn. Great post
Everyone should copy your post and hang it by their desk.
Eventually Skeezik and his 7,8,9, etc. personalities will crawl back into their fantasy world, never to be heard from again.
Sorry Skeezik, no one will miss you. You are like nothing. You don’t exist
anywhere, except in your own feeble mind.