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	<title>Comments on: Jousting with the Lancet: Pajamas Media Interviews Professor Gilbert Burnham</title>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/joisting_with_the_lancet_the_p/#comment-1003</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>www.sexion.com is a political rather than a scientific site, &amp; their political position is such as to motivate them to discredit the report.



Has anyone got any evidence to suggest a contrary motivation on Burnham&#039;s part?



Were all the peer-reviewers similarly biased? - &amp; does TM Lutas&#039; conspiracy theory extend to them?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.sexion.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sexion.com</a> is a political rather than a scientific site, &amp; their political position is such as to motivate them to discredit the report.</p>
<p>Has anyone got any evidence to suggest a contrary motivation on Burnham&#8217;s part?</p>
<p>Were all the peer-reviewers similarly biased? &#8211; &amp; does TM Lutas&#8217; conspiracy theory extend to them?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/joisting_with_the_lancet_the_p/#comment-1002</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Penny,



Ok, you don&#039;t like Wiki? How about the World Health Organization? They also say that DU is not this big health scare. Don&#039;t believe me? Here&#039;s a link:(http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs257/en/).



Uranium is not a healthy thing, neither is eating shampoo or toothpaste for that matter. One might say that gunpowder isn&#039;t healthy to eat, but that doesn&#039;t make it&#039;s use a war crime!



Anything in a high enough dose can be harmful. Even water.



Now, let&#039;s get serious. You are quoting publications who are vehemently anti-American and will say anything to make the U.S. look bad.



You need to learn how to shut up about things you don&#039;t understand. Now, be a good wife and go make your husband a sandwich.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penny,</p>
<p>Ok, you don&#8217;t like Wiki? How about the World Health Organization? They also say that DU is not this big health scare. Don&#8217;t believe me? Here&#8217;s a link:(<a href="http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs257/en/" rel="nofollow">http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs257/en/</a>).</p>
<p>Uranium is not a healthy thing, neither is eating shampoo or toothpaste for that matter. One might say that gunpowder isn&#8217;t healthy to eat, but that doesn&#8217;t make it&#8217;s use a war crime!</p>
<p>Anything in a high enough dose can be harmful. Even water.</p>
<p>Now, let&#8217;s get serious. You are quoting publications who are vehemently anti-American and will say anything to make the U.S. look bad.</p>
<p>You need to learn how to shut up about things you don&#8217;t understand. Now, be a good wife and go make your husband a sandwich.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaybo</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/joisting_with_the_lancet_the_p/#comment-1001</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaybo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a detailed study that shoots all kinds of holes into Burnham&#039;s study.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.seixon.com/blog/archives/2005/12/death_of_statis_1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.seixon.com/blog/archives/2005/12/death_of_statis_1.html&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a detailed study that shoots all kinds of holes into Burnham&#8217;s study.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.seixon.com/blog/archives/2005/12/death_of_statis_1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.seixon.com/blog/archives/2005/12/death_of_statis_1.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sam2</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/joisting_with_the_lancet_the_p/#comment-1000</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom W said:



&lt;i&gt;That seems to be the criterion for the contribution from main street households to dominate but even when they don&#039;t dominate the bias can be as large as 100%.&lt;/i&gt;



That depends on the parameters.  If the population living on main streets is only 1% of the total population, then if the rate of death there is as much as 20-fold higher than for the whole population, you&#039;d still only underestimate the total deaths by 20% by ignoring the main street deaths.



Sam said:



&lt;i&gt;What am I missing? Aren&#039;t most of the reports of bombings in markets, on main commercial streets, near police stations, by lines for whatever?&lt;/i&gt;



Yes, and the victims would likely have their homes mostly on residential streets in the neighborhood, and would therefore be detected in the survey.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom W said:</p>
<p><i>That seems to be the criterion for the contribution from main street households to dominate but even when they don&#8217;t dominate the bias can be as large as 100%.</i></p>
<p>That depends on the parameters.  If the population living on main streets is only 1% of the total population, then if the rate of death there is as much as 20-fold higher than for the whole population, you&#8217;d still only underestimate the total deaths by 20% by ignoring the main street deaths.</p>
<p>Sam said:</p>
<p><i>What am I missing? Aren&#8217;t most of the reports of bombings in markets, on main commercial streets, near police stations, by lines for whatever?</i></p>
<p>Yes, and the victims would likely have their homes mostly on residential streets in the neighborhood, and would therefore be detected in the survey.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erratum

I wrote &#039;hidden from alquaisa&#039;

I meant hidden from aljezeera, i.e. the normal arab inhabitant.
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<p>I wrote &#8216;hidden from alquaisa&#8217;</p>
<p>I meant hidden from aljezeera, i.e. the normal arab inhabitant.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam2 :



Tom W said:



&lt;i&gt;&quot;According to Burnham et. al., all interviews were restricted to residential street households. If main streets are indeed more dangerous then this would lead to a bias in the opposite direction and perhaps even lead to an overall underestimate of the number of deaths.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;



&lt;i&gt;It depends on what a &quot;main street&quot; means. On a &quot;main drag&quot; you&#039;d be less likely to find residences. The people planting IED&#039;s or car bombs, or participating in attacks on military convoys passing through, or having &quot;work accidents&quot;, would likely be living on the nearby residential streets that were by definition (&quot;crossing the main street&quot;) singled out for the survey.&lt;/i&gt;



What am I missing? Aren&#039;t most of the reports of bombings in markets, on main commercial streets, near police stations, by lines for whatever?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam2 :</p>
<p>Tom W said:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;According to Burnham et. al., all interviews were restricted to residential street households. If main streets are indeed more dangerous then this would lead to a bias in the opposite direction and perhaps even lead to an overall underestimate of the number of deaths.&#8221;</i></p>
<p><i>It depends on what a &#8220;main street&#8221; means. On a &#8220;main drag&#8221; you&#8217;d be less likely to find residences. The people planting IED&#8217;s or car bombs, or participating in attacks on military convoys passing through, or having &#8220;work accidents&#8221;, would likely be living on the nearby residential streets that were by definition (&#8220;crossing the main street&#8221;) singled out for the survey.</i></p>
<p>What am I missing? Aren&#8217;t most of the reports of bombings in markets, on main commercial streets, near police stations, by lines for whatever?</p>
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		<title>By: TM Lutas</title>
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		<dc:creator>TM Lutas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anybody commenting ever seen an Iraqi death certificate? Google one up in Google&#039;s images search. It is a document that does not appear, at first glance, to be very fraud proof. The Lancet study group was known. If they were penetrated, death certificates could have been forged. It wouldn&#039;t take more than one guy on the inside of the Lancet group and a few people who worked in the appropriate ministry to get the appropriate forms/stamps.



Manipulating this study would be *easy* and not detectable unless you verify the data.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anybody commenting ever seen an Iraqi death certificate? Google one up in Google&#8217;s images search. It is a document that does not appear, at first glance, to be very fraud proof. The Lancet study group was known. If they were penetrated, death certificates could have been forged. It wouldn&#8217;t take more than one guy on the inside of the Lancet group and a few people who worked in the appropriate ministry to get the appropriate forms/stamps.</p>
<p>Manipulating this study would be *easy* and not detectable unless you verify the data.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The authors of the report allowed for a huge margin of error, which is why they made no hard &amp; fast claim for the 655,000 figure - they only said it was the most probable betwee a minimum of 392,976 &amp; a maximum of 942,636.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The authors of the report allowed for a huge margin of error, which is why they made no hard &amp; fast claim for the 655,000 figure &#8211; they only said it was the most probable betwee a minimum of 392,976 &amp; a maximum of 942,636.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It would if the density of residences (normalized to average) times the density of deaths (normalized) is bigger than one.&lt;/i&gt;



That seems to be the criterion for the contribution from main street households to dominate but even when they don&#039;t dominate the bias can be as large as 100%.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It would if the density of residences (normalized to average) times the density of deaths (normalized) is bigger than one.</i></p>
<p>That seems to be the criterion for the contribution from main street households to dominate but even when they don&#8217;t dominate the bias can be as large as 100%.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom W:&lt;i&gt;...ignoring those residences produces a bias&lt;/i&gt;

It would if the density of residences (normalized to average) times the density of deaths (normalized) is bigger than one.  A main drag would more likely have stores, market places, police stations, targets.  But as you say, people are not going to set off IED&#039;s next to their own houses.  If I was running the insurgency, I would look for operatives who live in the neighborhood, who know the place and can case the targets, and can slink off back home, a couple of blocks away.

&lt;i&gt;It could be miles away.&lt;/i&gt;

True, but if they conveniently destroyed that information, there&#039;s no way of checking it.  A residential street that&#039;s miles long?  Doesn&#039;t sound typical to me.

Bottom line:  You just have to see the actual data.  There&#039;s plenty of reason for skepticism.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom W:<i>&#8230;ignoring those residences produces a bias</i></p>
<p>It would if the density of residences (normalized to average) times the density of deaths (normalized) is bigger than one.  A main drag would more likely have stores, market places, police stations, targets.  But as you say, people are not going to set off IED&#8217;s next to their own houses.  If I was running the insurgency, I would look for operatives who live in the neighborhood, who know the place and can case the targets, and can slink off back home, a couple of blocks away.</p>
<p><i>It could be miles away.</i></p>
<p>True, but if they conveniently destroyed that information, there&#8217;s no way of checking it.  A residential street that&#8217;s miles long?  Doesn&#8217;t sound typical to me.</p>
<p>Bottom line:  You just have to see the actual data.  There&#8217;s plenty of reason for skepticism.</p>
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