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Joe Biden’s Felony Self-Defense Advice

Follow the Vice President's tips to his wife and head directly to jail.

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Bob Owens

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February 20, 2013 - 12:26 pm

In an interview with a parenting magazine, Vice President Joe Biden described the home defense advice he gave his wife, Jill Biden. This advice, if followed, constitutes a felony in almost every state.

Here are the home defense tips that Vice President Biden gave his wife, and that he would like to see you emulate:

Vice President Joe Biden said Tuesday that Americans don’t need semi-automatic weapons to protect their homes because a couple of blasts from a shotgun will scare off intruders.

“Buy a shotgun, buy a shotgun,” the vice president encouraged those worried about defending themselves. He was speaking in an online video as part of a Facebook town hall hosted by Parents Magazine on the administration’s strategy for reducing gun violence, which he has led at the direction of President Barack Obama.

Biden said he keeps two shotguns and shells locked up at home and he’s told his wife, Jill, to use them if she needs protection. He presumably was speaking about before he became vice president, a position that gives the couple full-time Secret Service protection.

“I said, `Jill, if there’s ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony … take that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house,”‘ Biden said. “You don’t need an AR-15. It’s harder to aim, it’s harder to use and in fact, you don’t need 30 rounds to protect yourself.”

We’ll set aside Biden’s uninformed views on the defensive utility of semi-automatic firearms (the ubiquitous choice of self defense firearms for every local, state, and federal law enforcement agency in the United States) for a moment, and will focus on the Vice President’s choice of firearm and tactics.

Biden said he keeps two shotguns and shells locked up at home and he’s told his wife, Jill, to use them if she needs protection…

“Jill, if there’s ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony … take that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house.”

Biden doesn’t define what constitutes a “problem” to him, but the laws of each state, while they vary from one to another, generally only allow the use of a firearm to defend human life. Further, the threat must satisfy a test where a reasonable person would find the threat to be both life-threatening and immediate.

  1. person defending themselves must be a “reasonable person”
  2. the threat has to be life-threatening
  3. the threat has to be immediate

The “reasonable person” standard.

If you have a substance abuse problem, or are in an altered state due to chemical use or psychological or physiological  problems, you may not legally use a weapon depending upon state law, even if you perceive a threat to be life-threatening and immediate. If you are paranoid, hear voices, or think that the public works employee coming to check your meter is an alien coming to steal your soul, this is not a legal defensive gun use.

The threat must constitute a lethal threat.

There is so much nuance and so many variables to what constitutes “life threatening” that it is simply impossible to define each and every instance of what may constitute a lethal threat. Relative size, skill, age, physical abilities, numbers (if there is more than one attacker), aggression, and weapon are just some of the possible variables that might constitute what a reasonable person might consider a life-threatening circumstance.

The threat must be immediate.

There are time-based, obstacle/distance-based, and behavior-based constraints to what constitutes an immediate threat. A person who constitutes a threat cannot be fired upon before they constitute a threat nor after they stop being a threat. You cannot generally fire upon someone who is retreating.

You may not fire upon someone if they don’t have a reasonable chance of carrying out their intent because of natural or man-made obstructions in their path that would prevent them from carrying out their assault, or if they were too far away to pose an immediate threat. A person armed with a club or a knife may be a lethal threat if face-to-face or across a short stretch of open ground, but you cannot easily justify shooting them from one rooftop to another, across a canal, etc. If that same person has a ranged weapon such as a firearm, however, the threat is immediate. Nor may you shoot someone for merely possessing an object that might be used as a weapon, if they are not using it in a threatening manner.

All three of these tests must be present to legally justify deploying a firearm in self defense.

“A reasonable person would find the threat to be both life-threatening and immediate.”

But that isn’t at all the situation that Vice President Biden describes when he proscribes the double-barrel discharge of a lethal weapon.

He’s describing a situation where there is no immediate threat, nor a life-threatening event.

We know there is no immediate threat, because there is enough time for Mrs. Biden to:

  • move from wherever she is in the house to the gun safe
  • unlock the gun safe
  • unlock the ammunition container
  • retrieve the shotgun
  • load the shotgun
  • walk across the room or rooms
  • open the exterior door
  • walk outside onto the balcony
  • shoulder the firearm
  • fire two random shots

There is no identified threat in this circumstance, so it cannot easily meet the “life-threatening” portion of the test. Likewise, if there is time to walk unimpeded onto the balcony and fire warning shots, there is no “immediate threat.”

Time and time and time again, homeowners have been arrested tried, and convicted of felonies for doing precisely what the Vice President advises.

In New Hampshire, Dallas Fleming was arrested for firing a warning shot into the ground. He has been charged with a felony count of reckless conduct. He faces up to seven years in prison for firing a single warning shot.

In New York, George Grier fired four warning shots into the ground as a group of up to 20 suspected MS-13 gang members gathered outside his home verbally threatened his family. He faces felony charges of reckless endangerment.

In Florida, Marissa Alexander has been sentenced to 20 years in prison for events that arose after she fired a warning shot into the wall.

The list of arrests and convictions goes on and on.

Following Vice President advice to fire warning shots will likely get you arrested on felony charges. Firing randomly — Biden didn’t even state the shots should be fired into a safe direction — could get those charges upgraded to assault with a deadly weapon or possibly manslaughter if those shots fired into the air in the dark hits and kills an innocent victim like Rachel Yoder.

Vice President Biden has given defensive gun use advice that may put those who follow it behind bars with a felony conviction. Is he remotely competent to be driving national gun policy?

Bob Owens blogs at Bob-Owens.com.

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"Is he remotely competent" You could have stopped right there.

I'm an NRA member, gun owner and believe strongly in the right to self defense but I don't believe in warning shots. if you are in a position where you need to pull a gun you had better be ready to make every shot count. To me, use of a firearm is a last resort to save a life, either your own or another person in danger. A warning shot is an accident waiting to happen. Even firing into the ground could cause a ricochet if it happens to hit a rock.
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I have been thinking about this for a while, wondering if it is possible for someone to be as ignorant as "bite me" (biden) demonstrates. Here is the the hypotheses that I have come up with at this point: Could it be that he is not as dumb as he looks? Could it be that he was & is aware of the legal impact upon anyone who would actually follow his so called advice? Could it be, that he knew exactly what he was saying when he gave that ill advised statement? Could it be, that he wants us to fire off rounds into the air, knowing full well, that by so doing, we would then become subject to having our firearms taken away from us? Could it be, that this advice was planned out, and actually thought through? I know, some of you who will read this, will say that I am giving "bite me" far too much credit. But think about it for a moment. After all, truth is in fact, stranger than fiction.
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I think most people realize that Joe Biden has a mental defect and therefore shouldn't be allowed to own a gun.
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Stop! Or I'll shoot you again.
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I just want Kray-Zee Uncle Joey to keep on talkng,... and talking,... and,....
well, you get the basic gist, do you not ?
Since there is virtually nothing worth viewing on the Comedy Channel and Joe spits out these sorts of witticisims so frequently , we're back to laugh-a-minute territory.
Speaking for Myself, I am a big proponent of 'taking pleasure where you find it' and Ol' Unca' Joe never disappoints.
Pity the person who has to check his diaper for leakage. Puddles and flotsam everywhere he goes, and only so many wipes can be carried........
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Joe suggests that we buy a shotgun for self/home defense. But, after he gets our "assault rifles" he'll be back for our shotguns.
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Democrats have convinced me that Democrats shouldn't own guns.
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What happens if the next mass shooter uses a shotgun?
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Who's the biggest nut in Washington. Surely Joe Biden is in the running, but the biggest to me is also the one who's the biggest hypocrite, Barack Obama.

And what a hypocrite he is.

Obama walks military assault weapons to Mexico cartels that end up killing men, women and children.

Then Obama's executive order stonewalls attempts to find out why this happened.

Then Obama goes after the second amendment to stop willy nilly guns going into the wrong hands.

It's a disgrace that anyone voted for this puke.

Obama is a traitor, a liar and a totalitarian out to destroy American.

Obama wants to take guns out of law abiding citizen hands, who possess them as their right under the Constitution.

Next to the word, hypocrite in the dictionary should be Obama's picture.
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As I taught my niece and nephew: If you're justified to shoot at all, you're justified to shoot to kill. But if you're NOT justified to shoot to kill, YOU'RE NOT JUSTIFIED TO SHOOT AT ALL. Firing warning shots, or, even worse, "shooting to wound", are SEVERELY bad ideas. Any projectile(s) are going to go SOMEwhere, and they may not go where you intended. And if you shoot to wound, and the person dies, you've just committed murder. I wonder if Uncle Joe is hoping people will follow his advice, so they can be held up as examples of irresponsible gun ownership...?
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If a person wishes to use a shotgun, I would suggest getting one that is used exclusively for self defense. A double barreled shotgun and/or a standard semi auto or pump shotgun are limited by the number of rounds available. Several firearm makers have pump shotguns available with 6, 7, or 8 round capacity. If you end up in an exchange of gun fire, you don't want to be limited to 2 or 3 shots. I hope and pray I am never put in a situation that I am forced to shoot, but if I am, I want the ability to "rain fire" on the criminals.
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