Jews Must Defend Themselves Against Iran
Between 1941 and 1944, attempts to rescue the Jews of Europe were meet initially with denial of their plight and ultimately with cynical evasion. The British Foreign Office and the American State Department preferred to see Jews sent to murder camps instead of rescuing them because the Allies could not figure out where to put them. Britain’s Foreign Office and the American State Department’s greatest fear was that Hitler would release the Jews and the Allies would be caught in headlights of their own hypocrisy.
In its infamous White Paper of 1939, Britain restricted Jewish emigration to the Palestine Mandate just after Kristallnacht, when the fate of Germany’s Jews was written in chards of glass. But if that were not sufficient treachery, Britain also long delayed permitting Jews to settle in temporary refugee camps in Libya. When Tito opened an escape route through Yugoslavia for transporting refugees to Libya, the British welcomed them, unless of course they happened to also be Jewish.
Even when Britain finally succumbed to political pressure to issue Jewish refugees visas for Libya, the Foreign Office suddenly could not find any ships of willing neutral powers to transport Jews.
Throughout this period, the mainstream Jewish leadership observed legal niceties and depended on the promises and good will of Franklin D. Roosevelt to assist European Jewry. With Jews prominently placed in Roosevelt’s administration, Roosevelt was trusted to do what was humanly possible to rescue the Jews of Europe. In reality, Roosevelt talked a good game but let his Department of State obfuscate and delay as each day thousands of Jews went to their deaths.
In every generation Jews have faced an intractable enemy intent on their banishment or slaughter. Today, it is Iran. And the regime has made no secret of its intention to acquire nuclear weapons for the purpose of wiping out Israel.
As its grandfathers looked to Franklin Roosevelt to shield its brethren from the existential threat, today the American Jewish community blindly puts its faith in the Obama administration for the same purpose.
Israel must act for itself, for the Obama administration will behave no differently from the Roosevelt administration. Already the Obama administration has showcased Rahm Emanuel (whom some have called “the house Jew”) to link the existential threat from Iran with progress on the Palestinian statehood issue. This while the administration continues to spend the blood of its young men and women to keep Iraq and Afghanistan from becoming what they already are — failed states. So the existential threat to Israel’s existence, Iran’s nuclear program, is to be considered in the context of creating another failed, radical Islamic state on Israel’s border.
The time for the two-state solution has passed. Mahmoud Abbas’s Fatah can’t even win a decisive victory in a local election on the West Bank against Hamas, and Abbas only stays in power with support from Israel and the West.
A Palestinian state will be a Hamasistan that eyes not only Israel as rightful territory but also Jordan. After all, Jordan is a state that Britain artificially and illegally created and comprises nearly three-quarters of the original British mandate.
American Jews as a whole are court Jews, I despise them with a passion (not all of them of course). There are of course many Jews just like them in the UK, Canada, Australia, South Africa, sadly Israel and elsewhere. I myself am an Israeli Jew.
Even the American Jews I meet and see here in Israel with some exceptions are just silly dhimmi know-nothings, always blabbering about nothing at all. They always talk non-stop but they are not saying anything. Their not so new false god is liberalism, their golden calf – they have learned nothing from history because they don’t know any. Stuck in 1968…
American “Jews” gagag.
More warmongering nonsense from this site. How long do we have to keep fighting Israel’s wars in the middle-east?
Israel is a Democratic ally to Liberty more than it is a Jewish State.
I cannot help but question why and how so many American Jews are against Democracy; it isn’t just the destruction of Jews which bothers me about the majority of American Jews voting against the right for Israel to exist but that a majority voted to help destroy a Democratic ally to Liberty.
Israel is in a bad place. Caught between the Palestinians, Syrians and Iranians who want them dead and a new American administration who believes that a peace deal can be negotiated with proper American pressure put on Israel. Of course the Europeans are against them as well.
The only thing that can save them is a very bold act, like taking out the Iranian nuclear capacity. I think militarily it is no longer possible and there is not enough will within Israel to get it done.
A study was published within the last week stating that a sizable portion of the Israeli population (25%) will leave the country if Iran gets the bomb.
Since there is nothing that will stop Iran from getting the bomb this mass exodus will essential destroy Israel over time. You can bet among the 25% there will be biased to the smarter and more productive elements of society.
I do not see how this ends well.
1. Lawrence:
I agree with you. Although I am not a Jew, am an admirer of Israel, and of the great men and women that your country have produced in its struggles, the likes of Chaim Herzog, Moshe Dayan, Golda Meir, Menachen Begin.
As per American Jews, and Western Jews in general, one of the best descriptions of the maladies that affect them is contained in that masterpiece by Eric Hoffer (himself son of German Jews, he was born in NY) “The True Believer”, and how, being among the most frustrated groups, they have always flocked to mass movements. So, verily, Israel was the cure, Zionism was the cure of the modern Jew.
It is not coincidence that the 2 greatest detractors of Israel in America are Jews: MIT Professor Noam Chomsky, and holocaust revisionist Howard Finkelstein.
Obama is surrounded by 2 liberal Jews. Behind the throne, the one who propelled him to power, grey imminence and Alinsky’s follower David Axelrod; in front pitbull Rahm Emanuel.
This rot has, as of lately, started in Israel too, that’s why Israel must attack Iran ASAP, and nuke them if necessary.
@2 “More warmongering nonsense from this site. How long do we have to keep fighting Israel’s wars in the middle-east?”
Did you read the article? Or are you just a reflexive anti-Semite? I can only ascribe statements like that above to bad faith or a traumatic head injury.
I would like to know on what basis a few of you can intelligently ask: (How long do we have to keep fighting Israel’s wars…?) Here we have a state that is 1/10 of 1% of surrounding Arab nations in both land area and in population and yet, Israel is considered the villian. Why is there so much difficulty and hostility to a tiny state wishing to live in peace with its neighbors? Why is it difficult to figure out the threat is not that Israel is a Jewish state the Arabs continuously refuse to accept, but rather it is an Islamic ideology that refuses to accept an infidel state , be it Jewish, Christian, Bhuddists or whatever, in what muslims think is their region of the world?
Thank you for this piece. Jews around the world had better wake up. It’s like the 1930′s all over again. The writing is on the wall. Is no one willing to see?
BTW, Lawrence, your sweeping generalization boils down to another person having another rationalization for being anti-Semitic. Spare me. It’s disgusting.
Rahm Emanuel = Kapo.
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Mr. Miller wrote, “And the regime has made no secret of its intention to acquire nuclear weapons for the purpose of wiping out Israel.”
I don’t want to pick at nits, but Iran adamantly denies the pursuit of nuclear weapons. Indeed, they claim that their nuclear program is only for civilian electricity generation purposes. Not that I believe them or anything just so you know…
regards
Lawrence,
Your observation is disgusting. Jews vary on their opinions no matter where they life. Yes, there may be more homogeneous views dependent upon where people are polled.
But I am an American Jew and take offense at your ignorant remark. My family has supported Israel, as do I. I also remember my father (a Jew who liberated Dachau) giving his WWII rifles to those who fought to establish Israel.
You seem to be bitter, myopic and very ignorant.
An American Jew who supports Israel!
Israel will act independently, if/when the threat is imminent.No approval from the U.S. or any other nation is neccessary.
11. elb23 – ditto.
12. jerry – ditto (I hope and pray Israel will act independently)
israel should bomb them back to the stone age. what a blessing that’d be. people who’re crazy should be LOCKED UP!!!!!
I hope that Bibi Netenyahu (sp?) acts independently in this matter.
Waltzing around with a Muslim in the White House will not protect Israel’s right to exist.
I expect some kind of military action by Israel soon.
American Jews seem to be as snookered by Obama’s charm as American Catholics.
The 1981 Israeli bombing of Saddam’s nuclear facility was priceless.
The most honest reasons Obama and company believe in the two-state solution are: a) they are basically ignorant of the holy books of Islam [Qu'ran, Hadith, Sura]; b) they want to be seen by their European cheering section as “good guys,” i.e., really anti-Israel; and, c) they believe they can actually talk down the Arab leaders. Finally, they really don’t give a damn about the two percent of the U.S. population represented by Jews, believing, probably correctly, that the Jewish community will always vote left. Even if they don’t the Jews are too small a percentage of the U.S. population to swing a national election. [Well, in truth, maybe not. But that is what the National Socialist Democratic Party believes.]
To say that 80% of American Jews voted for Obama would only be accurate if we defined what is meant by the self-identification a “Jew”. Based on anecdotal evidence, I would amend that statement to read that 80% of American with some Jewish family ancestory voted for Obama.
If there were a poll taken of people who primarily identify their religious beliefs as “Jewish” from a selection which includes the catagories of “Humanist”, “secular”, “progressive”, “universalist”,”atheist” or “agnostic”, then I believe thos who selected to identify a s”Jewish” would probably reflect the actual percentage split between Obama and McCain.
#9- There is no basis (yet) to refer to Rahm as a Kapo. Time will tell. After all, it was the extremely assimilated Henry Morganthau who ultimately risked all to challange FDR on the fate of the European Jews.
Shouldn’t Christians and Jews think clearly why the Arabs was east Jerusalem? Think, Think, Think.
OK. Well, the holiest site to Jews is the Temple Mount the location of the two Jewish temples dating back 2,500 years and 2,000 years ago. The holiest site to Christians is the Holy Sepulchre dating back to the time of Jesus and where Jesus was placed after being cut down from the Cross. Picture this. If the Muslims achieve sovereignty over East Jerusalem, they then have control over the two most holy sites of what they consider, infidels to be subjugated. What a coup. Then they could brag about the ascendency of Islam because it now controls/supercedes the two religions which in the Koran are the enemies of Muhammad and therefore the enemies of todays followers. Therefore to them, Islam is proven supremee, etc. etc.
This is why they want East Jerusalem as part of any so-called phoney negotiated “peace” or is it “piece”?
#1 Lawrence
#5 MiamaMan
It’s an ungrateful and meaningless endeavor on our part to take an open, public stand in defense of Israel. We are not permitted to shed lights on the Bolshevik KAPOS that permeates and leads the Jewish diaspora lest in the name of tribal solidarity they all will have been ganging up on us and we will be called the “bad guys” — not those who will eventually destroy that Nation.
poster correctly asserts my thoughts.
Food for thoughts:
“The editor in chief of Israel’s Ha’aretz newspaper, David Landau, confirmed yesterday that he has pleaded with Secretary of State Rice to “rape” Israel and its neighbors into resolving their problems.
(http://www.nysun.com/foreign/journalist-us-should-rape-israel/68612/)
If they WANT to get raped – then what are we talking about?
Big Ben. Although it is eminently true that Morgenthau took on the State Department and did a great deal, he too was in many instances inhibited by the niceties of protocol, unlike the orthodox rabbis who had only one concern, saving lives.. These were desperate times that called for desperate measures. Morgenthau through his position saved lives. The irony he confronted was that his position enabled him to save lives and simultaneously prevented him from doing everything that needed to be done. Certainly, Morgenthau was far and away more active than Stephen Wise and his Zionist compatriots who trusted FDR and then really gave up. Thanks for your comment.
Obama droped the number of USN ships in the Gulf. Russia, and Iran sent a number of their navy ships into the Gulf at the same time.
With a BLT Marxist in office, Israel should trust knowone.
Why must we help fight Israel’s wars you ask? Simple. Because Israel has SECOND STRIKE CAPABILITY, from land, air and sea. That means Iran making good on its threats to destroy Israel “by fire” is YOUR business for the simple reason that once Israel strikes back – and it most assuredly will – the mushroom clouds will drift over all the globe ala Chernoble multiplied by several.
Israel’s fight is the world’s fight by dint of atmospheric drift patterns.
dont you figure it’s about time you coughed up some proof that iran is working on nuke weapons?
The religion of many American Jews is socialism and when they voted for Obama they voted their beliefs. In my opinion they are not Jews anymore having exchanged their belief in God for a utopian dream. Yes, Israel will stand but not alone. God has restored them and will keep them.
Simple answer to a complicated process: Let Go and Let God!! I will go to my grave supporting Israel; GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE. Whatever they(Israel) have militarily and they have a mighty army…will protect their people…and by the way; Iran already has nukes; they sent a scientist to North Korea to assist them with the their last missile launch….Iran is probably Kim Jong’s favorite customer. Yes, most certainly Israel should go ahead and protect themselves! Get it over with. They have shown alot of patience, endurance and perserverence much too long!!! There are alot of ignorant people out there. Don’t you see what they have had to do just trying to live in peace. Google it. Then, when you do, try something free. Read the Holy Bible. All prophecy(2,000 years ago) is coming to pass. It would amaze you. But there are those that believe in different things and entities. That was prophesied, too. I think that Benjamin Netyinyahu is a peaceful and knowlegeable man. A man of God. Thats what it takes to battle anti-christs. Wisdom!
Someone is going to have to take Iran to task pretty soon.
May as well be Israel, as they’ll do the job right the first time. (Although I was disappointed in the last fight.)
In the case of Iran, though, I don’t think there’s much time to fool around.
if you’re content with a moral code that boils down to one single idea–”might makes right”, then i spose you’re gonna learn another idea the hard way… something about “living and dying by the sword”.
dont you figure it’s about time you coughed up some proof that iran is working on nuke weapons?
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israelis are going public with their long-evident contempt for morals… mr dror says jews should abandon their morals in defense of israel, and he tries to convince us that the existence of jewishness is somehow dependent on the survival of israel.
this contempt for morals has spread into american politics, which is evident by the way american politicians and media lied us into the iraq war, and the way american politicians have embraced immoral ideas like torture, preemptive wars, and lying as a matter of policy.
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i spose we can anticipate more evidence of israel’s (self-confessed) moral bankruptcy… maybe this time that moral bankruptcy will show up as the new 9/11, the new 9/11 that so many neocons are calling for… or maybe it will show up as an israeli attack on iran, an attack that israel expects will drag america into another war in defense of israel.
it’s obvious what the problem is: israel must be secured before its american protector collapses from oil shortages and looting, but there seems to be another problem behind that, which is: lots of the supposedly jewish ringleaders of this operation seem to have reverted to loot mode, and loot is about all they care about.
these looters care about israel to the exact extent that they can use israel’s exemption from criticism, use that exemption to shield their own operation from criticism… they are not swallowing israeli propaganda about jewish survival depending on israel’s survival, so they’re perfectly willing to write israel off if that’s what it takes to complete the looting of a much richer prize, america.
meanwhile, israel and israeli americans sink into ever-greater depths of immorality in the defense of israel.
too bad israel was such a bad idea in the first place.
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if you’re content with a moral code that boils down to one single idea –”might makes right”– then i spose you’re gonna learn another idea the hard way… something about “living and dying by the sword”.
I don’t know too many blacks who are anti-Liberia, so I’ve always been confused about why so many Jews in America side with the left when it is obvious they are growing more anti-Zionist and more compassionate (Stockholm Sydrome) to radical Islam.
wow this wadosy is a real nazi and a deranged moron, best to ignore the nazi trolls…
Anyhow to my reply on American Jews…
Oooh Anna and elb23 did I hit a nerve? I didn’t generalise, I explicitly pointed out in plain English that there are exceptions. And I also made sure to include the rest of Diaspora Jewry and even Israeli Jews among those with their heads in the sand. It’s just that American Jews, because of their numbers, dominate in the Diaspora.
Fact – 78% of American Jews voted for Obama. Fact – Obama attended a church whose reverand is a viscious anti-Semite, for twenty years. Fact – Obama has made it clear that Rev. Wright has served as a spiritual mentor and guide in his life. Fact – Obama has always surrounded himself by many advisors and the like hostile to Israel. Fact – I have met so many self-loathing or at the very least know-nothing American Jews in Israel just in the last two years alone that I have lost count of the numbers of them. I have also met a few who are very smart and pro-Israel, a few – they are in the minority though.
PS Yes plenty of Israeli Jews are self-loathing twits too, and they have less excuse.
Tell me something if the unthinkable happens and there is a nuclear holocaust in Israel, will you American Jews rewrite history, pretend that you supported us, by ignoring the fact that you voted for Obama, build some more memorials, this time for the victims of the second Holocaust, have a new second Holocaust Memorial day and “mourn” for us as you do with the victims of the WW2 Shoa? And will you make it the same day as Yom HaShoa or will you have it on another day? Will you tell your children that in the first decade of the twenty first century, as the genocidal push to destroy the Jew nation gained ground, and as the Europeans reverted to “blame the Jews” mode, as life became more hellish for Jews in Europe, as the US and Canadian Left began to emulate their European and British cousins in “progressive” Judenhass while Ahmandinjehad and the Ayatollahs built up their nuclear bomb programme, that what American Jews fussed about was….George Bush, Cheney, Guantanomo, global warming and uh pro-abortion rights? Or will you just lie and pretend otherwise? I don’t have to tell you what I think you will do.
Truth hurts, cry me a river.
Thomas I agree with you re plenty of Israeli Jews, the Ha’Aretz reading fools – and they have less excuse than Diaspora Jews for being so dumb.
The world has hung Israel out to dry. Bibi and at least 50-odd percent of Israelis know this.
Google: The Sampson Option.
By some accounts, Israel has at least 200 nuclear warheads, by others, as many as 400.
Imagine this scenario: If Israel does, in fact, have The Sampson Option as a last-ditch defense policy? Imagine Bibi finding himself in a position where he is forced into giving the order to invoke that Option. (He wouldn’t hesitate for more than a moment. In such a scenario, his own survival, as well as that of his family and nation, are in immediate risk.)
Suddenly, within a matter of minutes, glowing mushroom clouds begin to appear all over the Middle-East, hitting targets both strategic and psychological. After the initial devastation, within a matter of weeks, up to half a billion Muslims will be dead from secondary effects ranging from radiation exposure to disease to dying of thirst and starvation.
While everyone’s busy watching that show, Little Kim could take the chance to send a nuke or two to South Korea…which means that Taiwan and Japan will be forced to make decisions involving the better part of valor…and China will have to decide where to place it’s bets for it’s own survival… (Japanese advances in technology over the last decade have been so rapid that it’s kinda scary. I wouldn’t wanna make ‘em mad…)
In just such a scenario, Russia has some difficult decisions to make, for they have in-force treaties with nations all over the Middle-East, as does China. The U.S. also has several such treaties in place in the region.
In the midst of all of this, the global economy collapses – completely – and quite possibly forever.
Various dates proposed by several of the ‘participants,’ reveal that this fall is the closing date on the more peaceful options and resolutions to preventing just such a scenario.
it always comes back to the same old thing, doesnt it?
what justification did europeans have to move to palestine and terrorize hundreds of thousands of people from their homes and land?
and it’s be downhill ever since, as the defense of israel exposes zionist jews for the moral cripples they are.
if israel is entitled to a “samson option”, is pakistan also then entitled to a “samson option”?
Jinkies Wadosy, these Jews seem to be absolute immoral bastards! Thanks for the warning. Is it because they carry the evil gene, or are they cursed by God? I’ve been informed that they’re not even human at all, and are descended from unclean animals such as monkeys and pigs (and possibly chipmunks, considering their tendency to hoard). Impartial scientific investigations conducted in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt appear to confirm this theory.
Since they are such a threat, perhaps all Jews should be placed into protective custody and relocated to specialised facilities, where they can simultaneously be put to work and re-educated. Of-course, their personal hygine would most likely be deficient, so perhaps they should take showers before they are introduced to the general population. Children, the elderly and the infirm must be given priority for these showers.
i dont see any great dishonor in admitting you’ve made a mistake… the dishonor comes when you fail to admit your mistake, and continue piling more mistakes on the original mistake.
israel’s been stacking more mistakes atop the original for 60 years now… and now we’re supposed to rally round israel because it has the capability of taking a few million people with it as it goes under.
wonderful morals displayed here… how does that play into kristol’s “benevolent global hegemony” or tikkum olam, or the “light unto nations”? …unless, of course, you’re talking about a few milliseconds of light as israel is incinerated, or incinerates its neighbors.
and then we’re sposed to ask ourselves, when something happens, or when we’re trying to make a decision… “is it good for the jews?” … and “is it good for israel?”
sooner or later any rational person has to ask a more basic question: “is israel good for the jews?”
#35 Wadosy
Okay, now I’m curious. What morally pristine paradise do you live in? You make it sound like a wonderful place, with a history of happy sunshine, and golden sunsets, and raindrops that smile, with gumdrops of money for the poor. Where is this fabulous place your are from?
in other words, you cant answer any of the questions.
you cant come up with proof of iran’s nuke weapons program.
you refuse to acknowledge israel’s and israeli america’s moral bankruptcy.
you cant comment on the fact that israel’s immunity from criticism is giving cover to criminals who are bent on looting israel’s protector, america.
you cant say what right europeans had to move to palestine and terrorize hundreds of thousands of people from their homes and land.
you wont admit that the founding and defense of israel in lies, terror and injustice —lies, terror and injustice that continue to this day— is corrupting jewish morals.
you wont admit that prominent zionist jews are calling for jews to abandon their morals in defense of israel.
you refuse to acknowledge the fact that absence of any morality except “might makes right” leads to the logical conclusion… living, then dying, by the sword.
you cant offer an opinion about pakistan’s samson option, or why, if israel is entitled to a samson option, pakistan is not entitled to a samson option.
you wont acknowledge that israel’s samson option is immoral and further discredits zionists’ claims to moral superiority.
you cant explain how you can claim moral superiority while disavowing your morals when it comes to defending israel.
is israel good for the jews?
People, people, wadosy and others ought to be answered — this is a public forum, they speak common lies, and addressing them over and over (rather than namecalling) is necessary for education of others.
1. Jews moving to the US early 20th century did contain a major 5th column of communist sympathisers.
2. Israel was deforested by the Ottomans and sparsely populated outside Jerusalem and a few other cities, where Jews always were in plurality.
3. There was plenty of room for Jews and Arabs, except Arabs chose to wage a war which created refugees hostile to Israel whom Arab countries refused to accept.
4. Why Jews don’t stand for israel? Because they ve never had much unity. You’ve heard the joke about 3 jews on an uninhabited island who, when rescued, display flourishing agroculture and industry + 4 sinagogues. Why 4? Conservative for him, orthodox for him, reformist for him. Oh that 4th one? That schul we don’t even go close to , spit.
5. Why don’t Israelis have an effective PR campaign to expose the truth but instead repeat terms like “Palestinians” and never tell the real story? Beats me. It’s sort of like swatting back at Hamas and Hezbollah without going after their masters.
Alexander H. Miller’s article is a brilliant summation of what Israel, and all jews, face against Iran. Time is becoming short for Israel to strike militarily, but act they will, most certainly. To hell with those who would seek to prevent these needed military actions.
please explain why israelis are unable to provide evidence of iran’s nuke weapons program to elbaradei’s UN inspectors, who will then bust iran for violation of the NPT treaty.
please explain why anyone should believe the same lies, from the same liars, that got us into the iraq war.
One more thing wadosi. Can you tell me more about that immorality you speak of? Either you and I have the similar sense of morality and you base your judgement on false info (libel, e.g. napalming gaza children for money) and then I understand , but I wonder if something else is going on. What amorality? Surely not of wine, women and cards variety?
you dont see anything immoral about lying people into wars.
you dont see anthing immoral about threatening to kill millions of people in defense of a bad idea.
you dont see anything immoral in prominent israel jews calling for all jews to abandon their morals to defend israel.
you dont see anything immoral in bill kristol’s “benevolent global hegemony”, the benevolence of which has already caused the needless deaths of maybe a million people.
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good enough
I didn’t say anything wadosy about what I consider moral or not, and I don’t play ad homini, so:
‘Lying people into wars’ Particulars please. I can’t think of one on Israel’s part. Or do you mean someone got the US into the Iraq war by lies? Israeli plot? That’s lame on many levels and would take as afar.
‘Kill millions in defense of a bad idea’ that’s more interesting. Of course it’s in defense of people, of people who want to live and work in peace, but you see a ‘bad idea’. Presumably you are not referring to the idea of Moses but to the idea of the League of Nations as ratified by the US congress, then violated by the british until a small slice of the mandate was left for the jews (indigenous, middle eastern, and yes, european too).
Someone named bill kristol called for a ‘benevolent global hegemony’? By jews I presume? That’s rather utopian and illiterate, I wouldn’t call it immoral (since it’s benevolent in kristol’s fantasy) but would surely lead to suffering if an implementation of any hegemony is attempted.
Some israelis called for jews to abandon morals in order to defend Israel? See, that’s why I say that Israelis are so bad at speaking their own cause. I understand where they are coming from — I talked to a former Israeli soldier who was torn up with guilt holding a border crossing closed (women, elderly lined up in heat) because there was a terrorist attack there recently. Obviously, an enemy with no pity for his own women and children, using them as shields, will eventually win against such soldiers. It is that sense of false morality that israelis ought to be calling to stop. The false morality that stops your hand when you see a rabid dog attacking a child and all you have is a stick with a nail in it.
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it’s a very moral proposition to threaten millions of innocent people with nuke bombs when you discover that your bad idea was suicidally haywire.
bill kristol, media figurehead for the likud/PNAC/AEI/exxon lashup that was instrumental in lying america into israel’s wars, editor of the likud/AIPAC/israel lobby flagship propaganda organ weekly standard, and his “benevolent global hegemony“.
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article from the jewish forward, in which mr dror says all jews should abandon their morals to defend israel.
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it’s interesting that you see israel’s problem as a public relations problem rather than a fundamental moral problem.
we have to asssume you’ve taken dror’s advice and abandoned your moral sense in defense of israel.
so the lies about iraq were routed from sharon’s office in tel aviv to a special little operation in the pentagon, run by more likud crazies, who passed the lies on to the media and neocons for dissemination to the public.
To attempt to provide responses to people such as ‘wadosy’ is a complete waste of time. Like religious fundamentalists, neo-evolutionists and global warming advocates, they believe that they alone have the absolute moral authority to tell others how to live and what to think and what to do.
Such individuals, often contrary to their words, don’t give a damn about the facts, proofs, evidence or history. Their only contribution to any discussion is sophistry, and, eventually, violent words or deeds.
Any person whose sole recourse is sophistry and the use of logical fallacy, no matter how brilliant their rhetoric, is not worth your time.
…or haven’t you learned anything from Obama?
the best part of the whole deal is that the israeli americans may be able to morph the israeli samson option into a global samson option…
from the council on foreign relations foreign affairs March/April 2006…
when you go out, you might as well go out with the biggest bang possible, huh?
punish the whole world for not taking the opportunity to submit to kristol and his “benevolent global hegemony”.
the radical ringleaders of this operation are not serious about any of this, israel included.
they are simply using israel’s exemption from criticism to enhance their opportunities to loot as america dies.
as usual, it will be the common jews who have to suffer the consequences.
wadosy = bin laden
Warren Bonesteel says…
yup, it is… because you’ve already abandoned so many morals that you can no longer defend yourself on moral grounds, and the evidence of that, of which i’ve posted a small sample, is irrefutable.
so you’re left with “might makes right” and the unfortunate consequences.
Folks, please excuse wadosy, he hasn’t taken his meds today. Now waddy, its the white one in the morning, blue at noon, and green & red at bed time. We’ll let him out when he’s behaving better.
Thomas,
Kaganovich is watching you!
wadosy,
Now waddy don’t miss your group session today. And, behave!
Lawrence,
You didn’t ‘hit a nerve’. You just are not correct. To dismiss all American Jews as not pro-Israel is stupid and wrong.
elb23
I enjoy being pro-Israel, it beats the hell out of being pro moon god worshipers who went to war five times to destroy Israel. Not to mention running other Jews out of the Ummah.
Morality. A word not known my Islamists. Beheadings, and lieing or the bed rocks of Islamists.
ROPMA!
elb23
Unfortunately, Lawrence’s generalization is right. Most American Jews are so wrapped up in themselves they don’t have the time for anything else. They are more interested in the schiksa they date than Israel. The women are too interested in their hair style, fashion, and their nails than have any time for Israel. Unless they are a practicing Jew, they have lost their perspective on Israel. 78% voted for Obama. In the religious community the reverse was true. The level of devotion can be seen in the fact that the children of these religious Jews volunteer to serve in the Israeli army.
on the other hand, it could be that secular american jews can no longer stomach israel’s hypocrisy, as israel claims to be “the light unto nations” while abandoning morals, continuing their slow motion ethnic cleansing, and lying america into wars.
not to mention the inconvenient fact that america’s downfall is being hastened by adopting israel’s philosophy of might makes right, which manifests as immoral wars that waste hundreds billions of dollars that should be spent transitioning to post-oil.
but the ringleaders dont have to worry, do they? nope, they’ve got their immunity from criticism, they’re in positions to make the big bucks as the looting continues, and they’ve got the gulfstream on standby —loaded with hundred dollar bills— for when the S finally HTF.
guess who will be left holding the bag.
…or, on the other other hand, it could be that secular america jews bought obama’s AIPAC pledge of allegiance to israel… and so far, there’s been very little evidence that obama’s going back on his pledge.
it’s a ritual…
we get a new president, he vows to bring peace to the middle east.
the settlements expand, israel continues it’s ethnic cleansing, continues agitating to expand the wars, continues to maintain its control of american media and politics, and, if necessary, blackmails the new president into submission.
and israel continues to degenerate morally, taking america with it.
nice
remember slick willie?
meanwhile, back at comedy central…. we get to slick willie, who somehow ran afoul of his baser instincts while observing monica’s vast russian ass as displayed in her thong.
shortly after slick willie broke up with monica, he berated netanyahu for his treatment of palestinians, and shortly after that, the monica story broke.
arafat was dumbfounded at a whitehouse press conference with slick willie when it seemed the only thing the press wanted to talk about was monica.
it is any wonder that monica is hailed as the new queen esther by some of our more rabidly religious israeli friends?
walter kaye, jewish new york insurance magnate, amateur spy and heavy contributor to the democratic party, got monica the intern job.
upon clinton’s departure from the whitehouse, kaye gave clinton a humidor as a going away present.
updated link: “bill clinton” netanyahu palestinians
and i wonder how many american jews are… discomfited… by netanyahu’s reaction to 9/11… “it’s very good”.
i wonder how many american jews have connected some dots: 9/11, netanyahu’s opinion of 9/11, PNAC’s desire for “a new pearl harbor”, and israel’s abandonment of morals.
what if some american jews are aware of the SAMS opinion of the mossad?
what if some jews are beginning to suspect that, so far, 9/11 was the last straw, the final demonstration of israeli immorality that soured them on israel?
then we have exxon’s capitulation to the israeli americans of the AEI…
how bad does the fish have to stink before you admit it’s rotten?
@52. Oscar the Grouch:
Close relatives of my friend, Lazar Kaganov’ from the Yevsektsia moved to Chicago and westernized their names to Rham and Davy Exroad.
They are the 2 Archangels fluttering about and teaching the Kenyan god on ways how to kick the Jews out of Israel.
…with the glowing, exuberant bliss of the rest of KAPOS of the Bolshevik tribe.
anyhow, to sum up…
there’s no evidence that iran is pursuing nuclear weapons, but israel figures it can lie america into another war.
israel needs a war with iran to close hormuz to herd oil east, to israel, the med and europe.
america will be sucked into the war to do the heavy lifting.
everything else, including this article, is windowdressing, or, if you prefer, another strassian “noble lie”, the nobility of which has gone aglimmering along with israel’s pretensions at moral behavior.
Oscar. It is not that the Jews are so wrappped up in themselves that they don’t care about Israel. They are tired of being Jews that have to fight the hatred that the world wants to inflict upon them. It is an unending avalanche that comes with a quiet and huge dose of fear. It works its way into the psyche and it manifests itself, even in the way that crazy Finkelstein speaks. His affect betrays a disturbed individual. The fact that he lectures against his own people speaks more to his discomfort at being a (hated) Jew that it does about the childhood trauma of having his “Binky” taken from him.It is human nature to develop a protective mechanism. I think Jews are exhausted. The holocaust should have put an end to all this. The moral guilt of the world was short-lived and here they are again fighting the survival game. The danger is still there and they are so so so tired
John Bolton thinks Iran wants to bulid a nuke weapon. Meanwhile, rockets from the terror group Hamas rain down on Israel.
Israel keeps giving land for peace to Islamists, while Islamists plan more murder of Jews. Those Arabs are so nice, I just do not understand why Israel continues to protect it’s self.
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ROPMA!
Thomas
You have the tongue of spitting cobra. Your evil just oozes out of you. As far as I’m concerned the Nazis and the Bolsheviks didn’t do enough to your people. Rest in Hell.
wadosy
You’re nothing but a bucket of anti-Semetic puke. The Jews have bled enough for this world.
America didn’t telegraph the world that it was going to blow up a A bomb at Los Alimos. Russia didn’t telegraph its intentions to do the same in 1950. England never did anything, yet it is a nuclear power. France kept its bombs making secret, so did China, Pakistan, India and North Korea. There is an old saying “Where there is smoke there is fire.”
Quit defending a foe that has already let the world know of its intentions.
elb23 I wrote what I did in plain English, not Hebrew, yet you have trouble understanding it, no?
I never wrote ALL American Jews are indifferent to Israel, I pointed out that there were definitely exceptions. So your reply to me is just a straw-man. I was even more critical of many Israeli Jews, pointing out that they have less excuse for being so dumb. Or did that pass you by?
people do not feed the nazi troll wadosky.
Actually, ‘wadosy,’ you’ve proven my point for me.
I merely laid out a probably scenario based upon the known facts. I never ascribed moral authority to anyone in the situation.
I personally believe that any ideology, even yours, as you’ve openly discussed here, is the quick and dirty road to tyranny, slavery, death and destruction.
I also believe that The Big Three religions are individually and personally responsible for most of the death and destruction among humanity over the last six thousand years. Every advocate of those religions also bears personal responsibility for continuing to promote those religions at the expense of the freedoms and liberties of others. iow, they are a bug in the system, not a feature.
The conflict between the Muslims, Christians and Jews is a religious conflict which is founded in the history of ancient royal familial disputes. We’re still fighting a global war for ‘religious’ supremacy that began more than six thousand years ago.
I’m sick to death of it…and I’m sick of others attempting to make any ad hoc claims of moral authority over my words, my thoughts, my life and my right to live in absolute freedom.
Meanwhile, you continue the death and destruction by invoking your bad sophistry and your moral authority to promote genocide and slavery and further death and destruction.
you are the people who are abandoning your morals. have you forgotten mr dror?
what’s the subtitle of this article?
“Israel must do whatever is necessary to assure its survival.”
what does “whatever is necessary” include, once you no longer have a moral reference that governs your actions?
i spose, for the time being, we can overlook the fact nothing is necessary to assure israel’s survival, because you cant provide evidence that iran is building nuke weapons.
we can also overlook the fact that obama has included israel in under the israeli american nuclear umbrella.
so the threat from iran is… what? …given your moral state, what exactly is the object of attacking iran when iran poses no threat to israel?
we’re hearing now are you are “sick to death” and “so tired” and “jews are exhausted”.
it’s hard work, living in doublethink, isnt it? …as you claim moral superiority while demonstrated moral bankruptcy.
If anyone ever wondered what it would be like if Faulkner lived long enough to write the stream of consciousness of an Islamist, well, there’s your answer.
An Islamist from rural Mississippi.
Abraham Miller, of interest to me in this history is the influence of the American Communist Party. A while back I was reading about prominent Communist Dashiel Hammett (author, screenwriter, yes, as in the Maltese Falcon)…
One of the things Dashiel Hammett campaigned AGAINST was any intervention in Europe!
In 1941 this abruptly changed, since Hitler turned on his Communist Allies in Russia.
Adding fuel to this is the fact that Britain declared War on Germany over the invasion of Poland! But Germany’s PARTNER in the invasion was The Soviet Union! Yet, Britain DID NOT Declare war on them… that’s a little odd, do you not think?
I’d be intereted to know if you believe there is any part of this that is relevant to the story you present here.
waddy
I love the way you turn a phrase, you’re very good at it. In all essence you are devoid of morality. You are typical of the double standard endorsed by most of the world in regards to Israel or even Jewish existence. You try to convince the world that black is white and visa versa.
As Ahmandenajad has said, we are not afraid of a nuclear war. Israel would be wiped out. We would lose maybe 100 million. That’s an acceptable loss.
Now try to convince everyone that he didn’t say this or that his intentions are crystal clear. Please prove to me that he doesn’t have a program to developed nuclear arms.
@77. wancow:
The answer to your question is a resounding NO.
The horrors of German Nazism came to a crushing end at Nürnberg and the yearly parades of the Neo-Nazis at Skokie IL. is no threat to anybody.
— Bolshevism today enjoys it renaissance particularly in the US where the purveyors of the Red genocide took over the public sphere, media, academia where they keep on inculcating the young minds.
They conceal themselves behind stupendous number of innocuous sounding organizations but their lieder’s personal history deeply rooted in the 1917. Russian revolution.
No wonder, they are in the fore in every Anti-American protests and they collect exorbitant amount of money from rich children of the Soviet Union of yesteryears.
Even in Germany they do their utmost to rehabilitate the Commies as written in the German publication, Der Spiegel:
“Western Germany Wants Stasi’s Influence to Remain Hidden”
(Stasi – Communist Germany (now defunct) secret police, under the direction of Markus Wolf from the Tribe of Trocky.
(http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,archiv,00.html)
Unlike the victims of the Holocaust, living victims of Marxism will not be accorded respect nor recognition for their sufferings and the rewriting of History by the Communist shills moving in full steam ahead.
israel is entitled to bomb whomever it chooses.
just like those europeans that were entitled to terrorize hundreds of thousands of people from their land in palestine.
israelis are entitled to pen a million people up in a concentration camp, then bomb those people with white phosphorus.
israelis are entitled to simultaneously abandon their morals, and consider themselves “the light unto nations”.
israelis and israeli americans are entitled to lie america into wars.
israelis are permitted to commit any atrocity without fear of criticism.
all the above is right and moral according to israeli moral standards.
i am devoid of morality because i think it’s wrong to terrorize people, and i think it’s wrong to pen people up and bomb them.
i am devoid of morality because i think its wrong to lie, especially when those lies are used to start wars that kill millions of people.
i am devoid of morality because i point out the stupidity of the israeli position, as israelis attempt to convince the world that they’re such guiding lights of morality while admittedly abandoning their morals.
it’s amazing that such talented and intelligent people can find themselves in such a dismal situation, it’s amazing that such talented and intelligent people can expect the world to fall for the endless israeli bullshit.
israel was a mistake.
is israel good for the jews?
#80 Wadosy, when the Palestinians quit sending rockets and suicide bombers into Israel then they will have shown that they are ready to talk. Until then, while we wait for the Palestinians to lead [chuckle] I applaud Israel’s stance, and restraint.
Wow, one fella posting about eight to one, I guess you figure since might doesn’t make right, SPAM does. Random links, foul language, blatant lies… somehow, if you have any truth in you, Wad, I can’t separate it out from the vast sea of blatant propoganda and obvious trolling. Sorry, maybe in your next life.
europeans are entitled to move to palestine and terrorize hundreds of thousands of people from their land… the people who are uprooted from their land are not entitled to attempt to defend themselves or regain their land.
that’s the founding example of israel morality.
please tell us what right europeans had to cleanse palestinians from palestine.
Iran is a signatory of the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty and the mullahs think nuclear bombs are an affront to Islam. Meanwhile the Israeli government is waing apartheid on the Palestinians. Maybe Iran doesn’t want to wipe Israel off the much as much as they’d like to see the end of Zionism.
@84. Pat J
“to see the end of Zionism.
So all of you rabid Marxists support every ethnicity’s right to have a homeland – including stateless wandering Arabs – only the Jews must not have one?
Am I correct?
Do you know that there were never ever a single Arab nation-state in existence before the British Lawrence of Arabia designated a camel fu**g guy to be a “King”?
This is THE KING whose hands are kissed by the your Kenyan demigod who is the invention of Soros the Hungarian Jew and his coterie in Chicago.
Please care to elucidate us on your sick obsession with the Jews – and ONLY – with the Jews, what gives?
Do you suggest to send back all the Jews to Poland or may be Auschwitz? – You rabid Commies have big foaming mouth, “Yes We Can,” “Sí se puede!” so don’t be shy,shrinking violet – say valiantly that Jews must be purged from the face of the earth or send them to the ovens…
Who the hell are you – and that mulatto street organizer you worship as your God and the piano-legged old hag – to decide the fate of people on the other side of the globe? New Hitlers?
I think am the only Eastern European regular on these forums and we are not intimidated by your Commie-Islamofascist rhetoric you are vomiting night and day: we kicked your comrades out from our hemisphere…go keep licking the Muslim Kings, Jihadist and other assorted Islamofascist scumbags along with the King Teleprompter I.
if there were no palestinians in palestine, how did haganah, irgun, and the stern gang manage to terrorize hundreds of thousands of palestinians from palestine?
what gives europeans the right to steal land?
now then, if, according to israeli morality, terrorism is a good thing, why are we fighing terrorism?
is our lack of support for terrorism, which is a good thing, more evidence that our moral standards are decaying?
Guess what wadosy?Israel is still right.When you have to spam your info ,all of it which ive seen before(2 years ago actually),its a dead giveaway.Nice old fashioned kill the jews mantra.
Those “terrorists”you refer didnt use suicide bombers.They didnt put videos online of slicing peoples heads off.Nor advocate dhimmitude for non-muslims.Your ilk have been here on this world before.And where evil rises ,so it must faced with good.
“good”, presumably including dropping white phosphorus on paletinian cities.
seems like you’ve abandoned your morals, and so you’re left on the bottom line, arent you?
the bottom line is, “might makes right”, and might has made right, according to israeli morals, since before israel even existed.
not one of you zionists can say what right you had to drive all those people from their land… that’s because you’ve caught yourselves in a bind: you live by “might makes right” while preaching to yourselves and to the world that you’re paragons of virtue.
the conflict between your actions and your bullshit is killing you.
…killing you, unless, of course, you’re a jewish racist supremacist, and believe rabbi kook’s theory that non-jews are about the same calibre of creature as cows.
if you believe kook’s theory, it makes no difference how many non-jews you kill, lie to, or steal from, because they are not human, so they dont have human rights.
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so you have a choice: are you racist, or terminally immoral?
because the bad thing about “might makes right” is this: nobody’s ever pulled it off.
Wadosy has been twitching on this blog for a while now. He can’t stop and he is even talking to himself. Wadosy I know you are not alone you are not one person sitting alone and commenting on this blog. You are probably in a room, in a cabal of headslicing, islamofascists, college educated, of course, who are all feeding in lines of lies and immorality. Veyar deharget
too bad you cant address the issues.
but that’s a symptom of the moral bankruptcy israelis have to deal with.
too bad you have to resort to personal attacks.
typical, but then you’ve admitted you’ve abandoned any moral approach, havent you?
unless, of course, you’re a racist, which validates every little thing of zionist philosophy.
if you accept zionist philosophy, you cant violate human rights when your victims are not quite human.
what a fine thing.
Wadosy, you and your gang in the boiler room need to take a coffee break. Take a deep breath maybe some of ugly immoral bankruptcy will ooze out of you. All the accusations you make against Israel and Jews are just a case of psychological projection. You are projecting your own ugliness, racism and evil onto others and your wishes for true ethnic cleansing onto the Jews. Again show me an Arab country where a Jew or Christian can be a citizen or participate in government. Projection, projection projection. GTH
Isn’t it odd, for instance that an article about the United Kingdom needing to defend itself wouldn’t even get printed, since the notion is so obvious and so boring? Or–it looks like the Japanese are going to have to defend themselves–yawn. But if someone says that Jews are going to have to defend themselves, the psychotics swarm like mosquitoes and ants at a picnic.
Israel is THE TERRORIST of the world along with the American Jewish propaganda machine busy 24/7 demonizing whoever they want to rob or lay to waste for not bowing to the JEW. The world is SOOOOOOO ON to Israel and its war machine. Its bad enough the Zionist Jews along with American traitors control demolished the