Should Jewish Students Stop Attending UC Irvine?
Always eager to play the victim card, many supporters of the MSU disruptors’ actions have martyred them as “the Eleven.” Their most used excuses for supporting such prepubescent behavior is that these students were merely standing up to evil; that if a person breaks a law with justice in his heart, it’s okay; and that Oren’s very presence is antithetical to free speech, so shutting him up is alright. They completely disregard the fact that Oren, no matter what they believe, is a human being like the rest of them, albeit a civilized and infinitely more mature one.
The MSU’s embarrassing actions have also led the Zionist Organization of America to finally lose hope for UCI. The ZOA recently released a statement urging all prospective students — not just Jewish ones — to avoid UCI and for donors to cease giving money to the school, citing anti-Semitism and widespread hate as their main reasons. Undoubtedly, the statement is going to affect how many Jewish families view UCI.
This is the worst thing any Zionist organization can do in fighting for Israel.
Orange County is the second most Muslim-populated area in America. No matter what the ZOA says or does, the Muslim population at UCI is going to increase, thereby insuring its anti-Israel legacy. If Jewish students stop attending UCI, then the pro-Israel presence on campus will die, and the MSU will have free reign to brainwash the unsuspecting and neutral student body with its half-truths and lies.
I’ve attended UCI for four years. Not once have I ever feared for my safety as a result of the MSU’s actions. That’s not to say they haven’t tried to start physical fights with Jewish students, nor is it to say I haven’t heard some of their members mutter anti-Semitic, sexist, and racist comments between themselves. But they don’t own the campus. Their hatred, however loud, has not infected the rest of the school, and I like to think it’s in large part due to the actions of pro-Israel students counteracting their hate rhetoric with peace rhetoric. UCI is home to some anti-Semitism, but it’s not enough to avoid going to UCI. What university — or any institution — isn’t host to at least some bigotry? In fact, Jewish life at UCI is thriving, and I invite any concerned readers to please peruse the UCI Hillel’s website for proof of this. While I stand alongside the ZOA in its support for Israel, I must respectfully disagree with its stance on UCI.
The MSU’s interruptions have affected the way nearly everybody views UCI, including UCI students. I’m not proud that, through inaction, my university has bred this belief in certain students that it’s okay to tread all over other people’s rights for your own selfish reasons. However, I am glad to finally see Chancellor Drake take steps at addressing this degenerate behavior that continues to embarrass our university each and every year. And I am very glad to see how many diverse and free-thinking people support the ambassador’s inherent freedom of self-expression, regardless of their political views.
It’s my own hope that, if and when this is all resolved, the members of the MSU who joined for religious and social reasons, not political, will find a way to extricate themselves from the leech-like hold their leadership has over them — much like the hold Hamas has over Gaza. The MSU leadership is welcome to go off and make its own anti-Israel club instead of subverting religion for political gain. Perhaps then Jewish and Muslim students can finally take steps at reconciling and stemming the fury on campus.
It is long past time that Jews showed real courage in dealing with Jew-hatred. The legacy of the martyred Jewish Rabbi and prophetic leader, Rav Meir Kahana, z”l, hy”d, Jewish pride and Jewish courage, specifically – ברזל ישראל – barzél yisraél – the willingness to determinedly and violently oppose Jew-hatred, and make it physically painful for Jew-haters to express that hatred – has been forgotten by American Jews too rich and too cowardly to stand up like men to their oppressors.
Let’s read Mr. Elias’ words.
Now let’s go back to the beginning of the article.
Finally, let’s note what the author uses for his lynchpin:
First of all, Mr. Elias lives in denial. If Arabs are willing to start fights on his campus, he is in danger. That he is unwilling to admit to this is telling. Second of all, and more importantly, why waste any efforts on a lost cause? In the face of Jewish cowardice for decades, it is no longer worth the effort at UC Irvine, or other campuses of its type (and there are many) in North America. Let Jews pull their money, and their children and let the Arab bigots have the run of the place. When America sinks, the Arab bigots can sink with it. Jewish children do not belong in what used to be “the land of the free”. They belong at the University Center at Ariel or at Bar Ilan University, in their own country, where they can at least breathe in a bit of Jewish pride, as well as learn first hand their own heritage. If then, they want to run back to a sinking ship of exile, fine. But an option of something far better will at least have been opened to them, and they will make their choices with open eyes.
There is no good excuse for Jewish students to study at a university which plainly is either unwilling or unable to protect their rights or provide them with an educational environment free from fear or intimidation.
The matter of political or foreign policy differences can be conducted in a civilized and courteous manner, but of course this is not the case here. As is both common and routine in every possible venue not just universities, Arab Islamic students have taken their protest to the level personal physical attacks on those with whom they disagree, particularly anyone who is Jewish and doesn’t toe their aggressively anti Israel and anti Semitic line.
Certainly the university administration bears much of the responsibility for this sad and potentially dangerous state of affairs and in a normal situation would be expected to not just protest this Moslem misbehavior, but to punish it effectively as well in order to deter it.
Since this is not the case, and since the chances are even or better that a Jewish student might be physically attacked and injured or possibly killed by an out of control Moslem radical student, there is no good reason for any Jewish student to study at the University of California, Irvine. I would add that there is no good reason for any Jewish philanthropist to continue to donate to that university either.
There are many other fine institutions of higher learning in California, and of course throughout America as well. Believe me, the only real victim of a Jewish exodus from UC Irvine will be that university itself. Just as Germany suffered irreversible intellectual damage from it’s expulsion of Jewish professors, doctors, lawyers, and other professionals in the 1930′s, so will every institution of higher learning in America which fails to protect and defend their Jewish students from violent and dangerous Moslem thugs posing as students.
I live in a Jewish settlement in Israel and I face real and immediate danger from the surrounding Arabs every hour of every day and I take it into account, but that is how I choose to express my Jewish Israeli nationalism.
But my situation is and should be a far cry from that of a Jewish college student in America. Quite simply, there is no good reason for an American Jewish college student to take any unecessary chances with his life or his education on an American college or university campus because of Arab Islamic radicalism.
‘This is our campus’, is key here. And far more worrying than the mere bombast and cant had this supremacist expression been uttered by the infidel.
Once Muslims establish a presence in an area that space then becomes sacralised Islamic territory, transferred from the Dar el Harb to the Dar el Islam.
It’s the root of the problem anywhere they settle, Israel being a prime example. They cannot abide the fact that although Jewish legitimacy to the area reaches far beyond even the inception of Islam, they were the ones who conquered so therefore it is theirs.
Once we establish that fact the rest falls into place.
European no-go areas where non Muslims are attacked and insulted.
Qaradawi’s claim to al-Andalus based on the fact that although it is and was Spanish and nominally Catholic, that the Muslims were driven out in the Reconquista is of no account in a Koranic mind. Once Islamic, always Islamic is the rule.
Recently Muslims held what we’d call a ‘pray-in’ in the public space in front of Milan Cathedral. The mats were brought and laid. The hundreds of faithful bowed and raised backsides in the air. And this was their claim, just like a gold rush prospectors crude board denoting ownership. In their minds that square is now theirs. (Just like Irvine is to those Muslim students).
Nothing in Islam is allowed to militate against Islam. There is no self doubt or reflective thought on pro’s and con’s. To paraphrase Descartes, it exists, therefore it is. Compounding the infiltration of body, mind, soul and actions that ‘is’, is no mere religion, it’s a faith with political imperialistic objective at it’s very heart.
That’s why what is going on at UCI is nothing less than an establishment of Islamic supremacy on a portion of US soil.
There’s not a speck of doubt that this mindset also applies to Dearborn and other areas of high Muslim population. The only reason that this is not shouted out by them, as the UCI hot-heads did, is Taqiyya. Keep the powder dry, lie about intent, smile at the kuffar meanwhile in your heart you know the truth. They are second rate infidels who just will not accept the truth of Islam.
That’s it in a nutshell. This a branch of the Jihad where our efforts to offer freedom of expression is an extended hand when in fact they want the whole body.
A slight evidentiary aside is Obama’s open palm gesture to Ahmadinaejad. We all know the Iranian Mullah’s reaction of scorn at such weakness. Osama bin Laden said that the people will always follow the strong horse. Weak and passive diplomacy is the donkey in that stable and stretching the metaphor, Obama made an ass of himself. And more worryingly, America.
What happened there is salutatory.
The Jew hate of Irvin is a test. Do we buckle under? Yet again? Or do we reclaim our position of the strong horse whereby this behaviour is not only rejected out of hand but those Muslim thugs are escorted off campus, charged with hate speech crime, imprisoned or severely fined and never allowed back again?
The probability of a totaly ruined career and prospect of clout could be just the method needed to concentrate the minds of these stealth jihadis that they live in America, not some dust blown outpost of Mohammedism.
However, I’m not holding my breath.
Aaron:
I completely agree with you that Jews should stay on campus and fight for their beliefs. To do otherwise would create the “Judenrein” environment that the MSU and campus Progressives desire.
I will conclude this post with a story I have told before. When I was high school I was told by a friend of my father’s family about some of my uncle’s “anti-Nazi” activities in Chicago during the late 1930′s. The German-American Bund used to hold picnics and rallies on Sunday’s in Chicago’s Columbus Park. A group of young Jewish toughs, sometimes accompanied by their Italian buddies (you can figure out their “line of work” from that description), would go and mock the Nazi scum hoping to provoke a fight. Often they did and made sure that the Nazis learned that at least some Jews fight back and they fight to win.
Perhaps Jews on campus need to start giving back when attacked. Bullies, especially “Progressive” bullies will always cut and run when confronted with strong opposition.
What comes through this article to a reader are several things. One, is that the Chancellor is not going to stand up against anti-semitism and hate speech or actions. The second thing is that Muslims, even so-called “American” Muslims, cannot live without feeling hatred for others not of their religion and are, seemingly, unable to live among the rest of us and behave civilly. I think it is very concerning for our country.
It strikes me that what is called for is a renewed Jewish Defense League. Perhaps with a few spiritual descendants of Sgt Donnie Donowitz.
Serious question: Why allow clubs on campus at all ? Kids have little real life experience, so what is the purpose of encouraging them to align themselves with specific political perspectives in consideration of their personal growth ? Teach some self-discipline.
Do kids now have to take on an extra burden of being forced to become political activists instead of investing their time in learning,experiencing,and maturing ? Take it off the campuses.College campuses shouldn’t become extensions of either political or real battlefields,imo anyway.
Good points about responsibly exercising rights while not infringing on the rights of others. Shouting another down(silencing the opposition) and other forms of intimidation will not win the day, and should be dismissed as a peurile position in need of adjustment.
Muslim Student Union?
If the university is public, why is it funding any religious student organization?
This situation has a very easy solution. If you disrupt a legal meeting or speech, you will be punished. Kick these Muslim scumbags out. Many, if not most, are sucking up US tax dollars anyway, so it will be a win for the taxpayer. The foreign ones ought to be deported!
Let me first state that I’m a Christian born, 21st century theist (i.e., I’m no member of any organized religion, and believe in a Creator), and that islam is not a religion but a badly copied pseudo-religious, violent socio-political movement. I’m also a conservative, in case you haven’t already guessed.
Here are the points I wish to make: the rise of islam in the US and the European Union are the direct result of two basic and artificially linked inflows (time bombs, if you wish, more powerful than nuclear ones): unproductive labor (the immigration bomb) and corrupting capital (the fiscal bomb), in the form of muslims and petrodollars.
The managers of this unproductive new capital and labor have largely been atheist (as opposed to religious) Jews. These atheist Jews are feeding the western radical left, which is in a new holy alliance with islam to bring down the traditional Judeo-Christian values of the West, and indeed de-develop and “fundamentally trasform it.”
Unless these two insidious flows are checked and reversed, what was formerly known as the “culture of the West” (the “Western Civ” taught in Colleges) will cease to exist. The legacy of classical Greece as passed on to us through the Renaissance, that of democracy, free market capitalism and freedom, will come to an end.
The fight at UC-Irvine, among the Jews, the Muslims and the Christians there and how it will fare over the next few years will mirror the very struggle for survival of the West. If the atheist Jews (and atheist former Christians) side with the Muslims (as I predict will happen under the petrodollar pressure), then it’s curtains for UC-Irvine as we know it, and will act as a signal that it’s curtains for the US, and the West.
I don’t understand. Why does this keep going on at campuses across the country? Why aren’t those being disruptive, who are “disturbing the peace,” simply ejected from the assembly?
I am of two minds in regards to this. I agree with staying, standing up and fighting back. If I was a student there I would not be run out. BUT if I had a child that was a senior in high school I would not want them to enroll in this school.
In my personal opinion, the question of hate speech has been overplayed. Speech codes on campuses are wrong and immoral. In this case, I’m sure that UC Irvine has such codes in place but they not fairly applied across the board. Do we as a society want to see the state arbitrating free speech even if it is hate speech? In denying hate speech, no matter how reprehensible, we are inhibiting free speech. I would deal with it from a behavioral view instead of a question of free speech. All to often kids, and these are kids, see politicians and pundits shouting down each other when they voice a differing opinion. Kids pick up on this and this is what the Muslim students seemingly did. It is better I think to have a propriety code. First, students are free to go to see a campus speaker who has a differing viewpoint. If they take that step, then they should be held accountable for their behavior. If they cannot listen to opposing viewpoints quietly and politely even if they disagree, then security should remove them, regardless of race, creed, or religion. I know that when my kids go to college, I want them to be exposed to different viewpoints because I think that is healthy. If my children did want to go to see a Jewish speaker expounding upon their viewpoints about the Middle East, then my child has the right (as a paying student) to do so. I think we would do well to remember that these students in whom we now inculcate ideas on the limitiations of free speech, even hate speech, will someday grow up to be the leaders of our country. Let’s teach them the right thing.
I set this to memory all the way back from the late 70s and this told to me from a man of peaceful intention; not a mean bone in the man’s body.
Before most Americans were even vaguely aware of Islam, an evangelist once told me that it was his experience after living in the middle east for a number of years, and becoming familiar with the culture, and experiencing the Muslim bullying tactics in virtually every facet, that as a Christian he had come to the conclusion that the great majority of Muslims will not respect the olive branch, but do they do respect the fist. Hostility is innate to their nature. Power is respected, peaceful gestures looked upon as weakness – and Muslims will prey upon that weakness.
I’ll leave it to the Jews to decide whether they boycott UCI. But if I were you, I’d gird up the loins, put on the steel toed boots, and the first sign of even a perceived threat be kicking some tail.
To simply leave the campus will be seen as an admission of weakness and defeat. It is no different than our feckless President thinking he can reason with terrorists – it gets you nothing but a weakened position.
And that defeat will be perceived as a win, and it will follow you every where you turn until you decide enough is enough. The line in the sand must be drawn and the sooner that line is drawn, the quicker the problem will go away.
Assemblyman Chuck DeVore of Irvine has been speaking out about this issue for years.
Last night he spoke about it on KFI.
His press release is here:
http://www.chuckdevore.com/news/247/Chuck-DeVore-calls-for-banning-the-UC-Irvine-Muslim-Student-Union
There’s no point in touting free speech or any value of freedom to radical Muslims. They believe the Koran and its Sharia law trumps everything, and that free speech is merely another willful Western defiance of Allah. They see the downfall of Western civilization as inevitable, and will do anything they can to facilitate it. Muslims living in the West who want the benefits of a free and open society are going to have choose between the fundamental nature of the Koran and the fundamentally free, classically liberal civilization. They can’t straddle the fence for much longer.
I don’t know what sort of Jewish Alumni UCI has,but they should withdraw any financial support immediately. The one thing liberal academics understand is financial withdrawal.
It’s my own hope that, if and when this is all resolved, the members of the MSU who joined for religious and social reasons, not political, will find a way to extricate themselves from the leech-like hold their leadership has over them — much like the hold Hamas has over Gaza. The MSU leadership is welcome to go off and make its own anti-Israel club instead of subverting religion for political gain. Perhaps then Jewish and Muslim students can finally take steps at reconciling and stemming the fury on campus.
Aaron, I know what it’s like to be young and idealistic, and I hate to be a wet blanket, but… this ain’t gonna happen any time soon. What you’re describing is the need for reform within Islam. Jews and Christians (I am the latter) tend to think of “religious reform” vis-a-vis our own cultural contexts. Islam is something very different.
Both Judaism and Christianity (yes, even the Roman Catholic Church) have intellectual and cultural traditions of self-criticism and free inquiry. These concepts are rooted in both Jewish and Christian scripture, and are part of the cultural tradition handed down to us from the Greeks and Romans, initially via the contemplative religious orders, and later via the Renaissance, the Reformation, and the Enlightenment.
BTW: inquiry and self-criticism also are encouraged in East Asian and South Asian cultures and faiths; therefore, it is not surprising that folks from China and India have prospered in the West.
In Islam, not so much. There is no such cultural tradition, and self-criticism and free inquiry are not encouraged by the Koran. Islamic culture will have a difficult time importing reformist ideas from the West or even from Asia, as Islam takes great pains to reject everything that is not itself. Islam is, in essence, a closed system – so it is not surprising that the second law of thermodynamics applies, and entropy is running rampant in the Islamic world.
All the best on your career -
mc
This is a slight digression but still basically on topic. Right now the Jewish population of the US is estimated at somewhere around 5.5 to 6.0 million, while the Muslim population is variously estimated at 2 to 8 million, with 2.5 million probably the most accurate. With declining birthrates among the Jewish population (Orthodox is the exception) and increasing intermarriage that does not include an ongoing Jewish identity for children, the Jewish population of the US will probably be under 5 million by 2020 and perhaps much lower than that by 2030.
Meanwhile, between higher birthrates, immigration from Muslim countries, and active efforts to get converts, the Muslim population will come close to matching the Jewish population by 2020 and will likely exceed it by 2030. There may be a slight lag time after that for this increasing Muslim population to reach voting age, but it is highly likely that by the 2032 Presidential election, if not sooner, eligible Muslim voters will outnumber eligible Jewish voters.
If Muslim population centers continue to be concentrated in several key regions, it is easy to imagine that the electoral votes of Michigan, New Jersey, Florida, and even California might be determined by block voting from the Muslim community. How will a Presidential candidate formulate his/her foreign policy in light of this? And how would a Senators (Muslim or not) from those states vote on important issues?
I understand the dilemma facing prospective students at UCI. Abandon the campus and you have ceded a beachhead to militant Islamic students that will be nearly impossible to reclaim. Stay in moderate numbers and feel endangered. Try to recruit the maximum number of Jewish students (and sympathetic Christian students) to the campus and you will be asking the best of them to forego higher ranked campuses like Berkeley, UCLA, and UCSD, to go to a strife filled four years at an embattled Irvine. Not all students look forward to such distractions and daily political fighting. The Berkeley campus suffered for about a decade for the strife and rancor that captured the university from 1964 to the mid-seventies.
Universities are no longer liberal institutions in the original sense of the word. They are illeberal bastions of left leaning professors and militant students. This is especially true of campuses in which there are no major athletic programs of note to drain off partisanship and zeal and aggression. Look at the history of the most radical campuses and most of them are like this, with but a few exceptions.
I don’t have a solution, just some observations to enliven the discussion.
There is no way anyone should cave to these tactics whatsoever. Let us remember this is an American campus and it is going to stay that way.Don’t allow anyone to run rough-shod over you. Americans are too soft-they need to be toughened up a bit.
No college campus is 100% safe these days. Everyone going to college has to be made aware of this and should understand murders, robberies, along with these sort of incidents can happen anywhere. What I wouldn’t do is teach them to cut and run.
If your assessment of your children is that they are incapable at this time of being smart about personal safety, then keep them closer to home until they are prepared for the nastier aspects of this world.
Just take a look at our recent history. Bad stuff happens on college campuses. So,obviously,this isn’t something that concerns Jewish parents alone.(And, yes, I realize the safety aspect is only one of many problems arising from this situation).
Neither is the fight to uphold the principles this nation was founded on just a problem for Jewish Americans-this is a problem that confronts each one of us. How we resolve it matters.
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There is safety in numbers-so, make certain that your kids have an extensive support group at school-wherever that is. They need friends who are willing to walk them to classes after dark-things like that. Prevent vulnerability to start with.
And, lastly,I do agree with an above statement about not financially supporting an institution that does not treat students with equality, or willfully ignores the rights of some students while favouring others.
radical Muslim students (in fact all disrespectful students) should be kicked out of UC Irvine. If you want to learn, hear then discuss others views then OK. To yell an invited guest out of speaking should to be allowed at a state funded(Backed) college.
Kick the offenders out of the UC system. Make room for US citizen students and those that wish to be there.
Folks where have you been for the last forty years? As I recall it started or became well known at UC Berkeley in the ‘70s. Large groups of students marching down the middle of the streets shouting F—k (word eviscerated for the gentile) in the name of “freedom of speech” but at the same time disrupting and shouting down any speaker the Left didn’t like, dozens and dozens of speakers over decades. Nothing was done. Of all places, American campuses, not defending freedom of speech; contemptible cowardice!
All the freedoms that ever were or that ever will be have to be defended by every new generation, they’re not free, so what are you going to do?
Both me and my wife are UCI graduates. We stopped giving UCI money years ago – but the university still gets my tax money. This MSA story – is an old story. Each time an Israeli/Jewish presenter is disrupted, followed by a flurry of shock, anger and empty talk. There is only one response to this last occurrence and to all future disruptions.The disruptor s must be summarily ejected from the University. If this type of response is adopted – civility and respect will return to the Campus – immediately. o – it is up to the UCI Chancellor and to the UCI leadership to decide whether they will allow a small but vocal student group to impose their ideology on the student body at large. If the UCI – leadership is reluctant to take strong measures – it should be replaced. The public (us, interested organizations) should bring to bear – civil and political pressure on UCI administration, UC board of regions and CA politicians to ensure that these type of strong measures are taken. In the meantime – don’t send any money and don’t send your kids to UCI – It is not worthy.
Why not just expel those that disrupt meetings?
Simple
Effective
Why everyone kowtows to these muslims is beyond me. Don’t get it, never will. Has anyone actually read the freakin’ Koran? Don’t understand why everyone adores muslim culture so much. Completely mystifies me. Kick those kids out of school. Pronto. End of story. Let’s have some backbone people.
As an early alumnus of UCI, I shall never donate one cent to my alma mater, unless and until they actively support the First Amendment.
These scenarios are being played out all over the US and Canada. There is only one answer that will teach these belligerents a lesson they will not forget, expulsion from the university, swift, severe and final.
It is astonishing that university administrations are still putting up with this and worse from Muslim Student Associations on campuses all over Canada and the United States.
And banning all clubs on campuses is not a bad idea as well. I know of at least one campus in Australia that has done just that.
You Betcha!
11. Joanna: I don’t understand. Why does this keep going on at campuses across the country? Why aren’t those being disruptive, who are “disturbing the peace,” simply ejected from the assembly?
Indeed. Should have nipped those uppity people on campuses in the bud in the 60s and 70s, I say. But alas…
“Their most used excuses for supporting such prepubescent behavior is that these students were merely standing up to evil; that if a person breaks a law with justice in his heart, it’s okay; and that Oren’s very presence is antithetical to free speech, so shutting him up is alright.”
This may be a deeply-held belief. But as those who study civil disobedience movements know, part of standing up for what one believes in is taking the consequences of one’s actions. If these students get thrown out, that is the price they pay for their actions. You do not get a free pass because you are acting on a deeply-held belief that it is correct. This is what this generation of activists misses the point on the most.
When I went to college I witnessed Jewish Profesors discriminating against Arabs. Once, my Lit. teacher asked this dude where he was from and he said ‘Palestine” and she laughed hysterically saying “there is no country called Palestine and what passport do you have?”. He said Israel. I felt bad for him for being humiliated like that by a woman(even I knew how Muslims feel towards women). There was no need for that in an American classroom. The other case was at the Eng. Dept. in Wichita State, all the Arabs and Muslims knew not to take an eng. class with a Zionist Professor because he would flunk them in his class…
Jews in America voted in a very large number for Obama.Is it because they feel guilty about their behavior towards Muslims so they voted for one? Moreover, it is obvious that atheism is destroying Judaism in America and most Jews today prefer to be atheists and communist like Marx and Lennin rather than to be loyal to Israel and religious.
The Muslims are taking advantage of that!
There is a need to have an open debate about these issues. There needs to be a revival of Judaism in America and they need to embrace more conservative principles.
The radical islamists are taking full advantage of that with petrodollars and will get Jews out of every university and country they wish. Examples: Sweden and now UCI.
PS: Obama is going to vote present on this issue.
PacRim Jim
I don’t donate to my alma mater either and for the same reason as you. However, also, I find Universities are notoriously creative with their budget. You might be giving to the ‘xyz scholorship fund’ but your giving allows the Univ to short that line item in their budget and provide another chunk for funds to the Gender Studies Dept.
Maybe the Jews in the West, who are overwhelmingly hardcore leftists, should stop pushing an anti-Western, anti-Israeli and pro-islamofascist worldview. Self-loathing leftist Jews are the ones not only doing the most damage to themselves but large swaths of our entire population since many leftist Jews hold very influential positions of authority across the West. They need to stop advocating this insane narrative that islamofascists are part of a noble liberation movement who is only resisting Western imperialism. Wesetrn Jews need to inject sanity back into their community before they bring on a 2nd holocaust. Their anti-Israeli and pro-multiculturalism rhetoric in the universities and in literature has already brainwashed most non-Jewish and Jewish leftists in Europe which is why persecution of Jews is soaring across Europe again. Something like 40% of Europeans now blame “the Jews” for our current economic recession and many Europeans now openly and proudly support islamofascist groups like hamas and hezbollah. And leftist Jews are at those pro-islamofascist rallies across Europe cheering them on.
I can’t wait until Andrew Breitbart gets his next sites up and running…..Bigeducation..to expose antiAmerican/Marxist activities on our campuses. I thing there are many universities we will not be sending our children to anymore once when we learn what they are really being taught. Then BigIsrael to expose such as this article exposes.
I went to UCI in the Fall of ’67 when there were only four buildings and very few students. I would not go there today or support UCI financially. It is a shame when free speech is denied by the jerks who fear a free exchange of views. (I was among those voted down when the Anteaters were adopted as the mascot – 1960′s dopiness)
RE: Muslim Student Union?
If the university is public, why is it funding any religious student organization?
I agree! Look at how the Muslims & Liberals attacked Tom Tancredo and David Howowitz. The Liberals and Muslims are for Peace? I don’t think so!
When I went to college I witnessed Jewish Profesors discriminating against Arabs. Once, my Lit. teacher asked this dude where he was from and he said ‘Palestine” and she laughed hysterically saying “there is no country called Palestine and what passport do you have?”. He said Israel. I felt bad for him for being humiliated like that by a woman(even I knew how Muslims feel towards women). There was no need for that in an American classroom.
I’m from Kansas originally. I’ll agree with you that (1)no-one should be automatically flunked on account of their race, religion, or national origin, and (2) that it’s a total mystery why American Jews vote Democrat.
However, I have difficulty summoning any sympathy for the student described in the anecdote above. He may have learned something from this experience, in which the metaphorical shoe was on the other foot. And if it pi$$ed him off… learn to lighten up, Francis.
Most of the students causing the trouble are foreign. They are supposed to be here to study, not to cause trouble. Their visas should be revoked if they are shown to be here for purposes other than study and they instead engage in these destructive activities.
This problem isn’t going to “be resolved.” It’s going to escalate unless something is done to stop it.
If the University leadership can’t turn this around, then new leadership is required. Surely, Alumni could influence that.
Free speech, let alone university attendance, does not belong to those who work to destroy the environment for free speech and free thought. I think no student, Jewish or otherwise, should attend any university that does not punish and expel students who shout down speakers and act around campus like thugs. As long as there is a choice that should be everyone’s policy. Exodus is not giving up, in my view. Let the thugs inherit “Egypt” so the world, or at least those who believe that history is given shape (and not just eroded by) the will to power, can learn what thugs can achieve.
However, not a dime should be donated to universities that permit the terminally self-righteous to rule. The more serious question is when are we going to start organizing people to demand our governments penalize state-funded universities in the pocketbook when they permit the kind of intellectual vandalism that has happened at the University of California Irvine and many other schools in Canada and the USA.
As others have noted, the idea of “subverting religion for political gain” cannot make much sense of Islam as a whole.
I agree with the logic of the article, but personally, if there was an anti Asian racist organzation within campus, and they violated my free speech, I would not support the institution, much less send my children there. If the KKK formed organization within UCI, how many black students would voluntarily attend the school?
The Iranian president was given a chance to speak at Columbia, the total absence of gays in his country being one of many whoppers he told. The MSU are telling me a speaker from Israel shouldn’t enjoye the same privilege?
These folks learned from the New Left.
Here they are shouting down Tom Tancredo at UNC…when that doesnt work they resort to violence.
This new minority victim group is just following the well beaten path…of the New Left and their many minority identity groups.
Here are the 2 videos showing the Leftists doing what they do best, thuggery.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ7vcgQjkDQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7naTR5QCxo&feature=related
There has been a rather long history of Muslim Student Assn. antics at the University of CA at Irvine.
I’d guess the MSA there is getting a lot of Islamist support to continue to nurture that institution as a hotbed of agitation.
It seemed, in the past, that UCI administration was bending over and spreading ‘em in the name of weakness and political correctness, acceding to the agitators, which is the main point of the agitation.
Muslim students shouldn’t be able to wreakhavoc/engage in this pattern of disruption, which disruption is central to the agenda of the groups sponsoring the Muslim Student Union.
And, no, Jewish students shouldn’t abandon UCI.
If speech codes remain, neither Jews nor traditional liberals (conservatives) will be able to roll back this tide.
When the cost of defending your beliefs is expulsion, staying silent becomes an easy choice.
Tom Tancredo should be getting total respect for informing these College students of the Radical Islamic threats. Instead he gets attacked. The Jewish students should listen to him & Horowitz as they are more disliked by the Liberals and Radical Muslims.
Here are some more video of the Leftist thugs shouting down people they disagree with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaTkGgE-hXA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x95JWA6DWXo&feature=related
The Muslim students learned well.
Here is what happened at Temple University….but what is the lesson here. The lesson is that violence and massive disturbance of the peace works. Dont think that other groups arent learning this lesson…as well.
A New Threat to Free Speech on Campus · 22 February 2010
By John Perazzo – Frontpage Magazine
This past fall, a student group known as “Temple University Purpose” (TUP) invited the controversial Dutch politician Geert Wilders to give a speech on campus. Wilders, one of the leading European critics of Islamism and a possible future prime minister in the Netherlands, was slated to show Fitna, his provocative documentary showing how Muslim jihadists draw their inspiration from the Koran not by distorting its message but by taking its mandates literally. When finalizing the arrangements for Wilders’ appearance, TUP’s student leaders and Temple administrators agreed that the university would cover the necessary security costs for the event, as it does for all speakers. But as campus leftists stepped up attacks on administrators for allowing Wilders’ appearance, the university began to look for the exit sign. It settled on a back handed way of throttling free speech that is increasingly being employed by other schools, USC and UC Santa Barbara among them—forcing conservative student groups to pay costs for controversial speakers whose appearances become security problems because the campus left threatens violently to disrupt them.
When word of Wilders’ scheduled appearance was made public, Temple’s Muslim Students Association (MSA) pressured the administration to cancel the event.
http://www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org/news/2765/a-new-threat-to-free-speech-on-campus
That they deny others the right to speak is not the real problem. Mohammedans deny other Mohammedans’ right to speak probably more than they do Jews.
The problem is that the deny others’ right to exist. But nobody mentions that. UCI will be Judenrein in the not-too-distant future.
This is what accepting Islam anywhere means in the end. It only starts with the Jews.
More guns, solid bats, sharp knives, and my “Islam is a Death Cult” bumper sticker in full view. I’m done talking around the subject, and I fully expect the Muslims to react exactly as Muslims do when I tell them what I think of their demented, violent, and retrograde cult. The Jewish students at UC Irvine need to shut up, organize, start working out, arm themselves, and be willing to wade into the Muslims with all feet and fists at the slightest provocation; get used to fighting and be willing to fight and the Muslims will think twice about pulling the bullshit they do now.
Jews, BREED.
- Love
But as campus leftists stepped up attacks on administrators for allowing Wilders’ appearance, the university began to look for the exit sign. It settled on a back handed way of throttling free speech that is increasingly being employed by other schools…
From actions against individuals for editorials, books & films (e.g., Ezra Levant, Mark Steyn, Rachel Ehrenfeld, the Yale scholar who wrote the book on the Danish cartoons that didn’t include the cartoons, Geert Wilders…) to less obvious tactics like you mention here, this is a major component of the strategy of Islamism in the west.
As long as the weak and politically correct everywhere allow such tactics to be successful, they will continue as primary components of the strategy of “soft jihad”.
Throttling free speech is the point. You’re really not allowed to point out that hard jihadists take the bellicose passages of the Koran literally to heart. It’s simply not “poltically correct” to do so.
The weak underbelly of the west, especially among progressives and academia, is the petri dish in which the bacteria grow.
As long as one truth for all is violently opposed, I propose that the term “university” be dropped, and indoctrination centre be adopted.
For those who say, “I have my truth, and you have your truth, and it is okay that it is different”, I say this: All your niceties does not hide the fact that you reject what others say is true.
Now, how many are willing to own up to the fact that truth is not dependent upon anyone accepting it? I won’t ask for a show of hands, because the result will be embarrassing.
Now, how many are willing to own up to the fact that truth is not dependent upon anyone accepting it?
That’s true
, contrary to modern progressives’ claims that truth is what they say it is, at any given moment.
Whether or not all of the individual members of the MSU understand exactly how they’re being used, the truth of their disruptive activities at UCI & elsewhere is…
The process of settlement is a “Civilization-Jihadist Process” with all the word means…work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions…It is a Muslim’s destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes…
Why are Jews in America still attached to the ant-Isreal left? Their only friends in America are non-racist conservatives and evangelical Christians. I would suggest all Jews support CUFI Christians United for Isreal and vote for constitutional conservatives in the future. The alternative is a muslim caliphate here in America.
If Radical African American Militants like the African American Studies Department formed organization within UCI , how many white students would voluntarily attend the school?
If the Radical Feminists like the Women’s Studies Department formed organization within UCI , how many male students would voluntarily attend the school?
If the Radical Latino-Chicanos La Razists like the Latino-Chicano Studies Department, formed organization within UCI , how many white students would voluntarily attend the school?
The MSA and LaRaza are all racists and do not belong in America on our campuses