Jew-Bashing at Universities the New Normal
After noting that the posting violated university rules, Florida Atlantic’s senior vice president for student affairs dismissed the entire episode as unimportant as it was not directed at any particular individual. No one will be required to appear before a campus judicial board. No charges of a hate crime will be filed.
Can anyone imagine what would happen if some university administrator at UCSD said the noose was unimportant because it was simply hung in the library and was not directed at any particular student?
Jewish students are vulnerable because Jewish organizations have abandoned the campus. In California, where anti-Semitism thrives on campus in the form of anti-Zionism, a number of Hillel directors, representing several UC campuses, came forward to say that the issue of harassment and intimidation of Jewish students on the University of California’s campuses is an exaggeration.
Contributing to the growth of anti-Semitism is the number of prominent, but unrepresentative, Jews who have given legitimacy to almost every form of the anti-Zionist expression. The anti-Zionists gain strength and legitimacy because the likes of Peter Beinart, Max Blumenthal, George Soros, and Rabbi Michael Lerner can seldom, if ever, find a Palestinian position that does not require their support.
This denial of one’s own nation in order to embrace the enemy is one of the consequences of the twisted fate of a minority people living in a hate-filled Diaspora, a people who have produced leaders who identify with their aggressors and come to believe the very stereotypes that dehumanize their people, from whom they wish to separate themselves.
Hatred is the great unifier of social movements and identity politics. But on campus, hatred of almost all groups, except Jews, is unacceptable. At Berkeley this year, Reverend Louis Farrakhan spoke to a crowded auditorium of 600 mostly black students. He regaled them with the “secret” history of Jews and the slave trade. For his faux history, condemned by the American Historical Association, Farrakhan received a standing ovation from what are probably the best and the brightest of the next generation of black leaders. But no one would dare sponsor the white incarnation of a Louis Farrakhan. No campus community would tolerate it.
So, if you are going to hate someone, remember Jews, especially pro-Israel Jews, are vulnerable. They not only get no protection from campus administrators; they also get almost no protection from their own communal organizations.
You cannot openly hate, or even disparage, protected groups: to point out the actions of radical Islam will cause you to incur the accusation of Islamophobia. Gays, lesbians, and transsexuals are off-limits. Tainting the environment against women will have you hauled before a campus Star Chamber. Fat people, maybe, but even they are usually off -limits. Basically, that’s why the campus has Jews. And if you really are going to evict anyone, start with the Jews because not only will no one protect them, but you can count on a number of their own people coming forward to defend your right to cast them out.
The best and brightest? Lock that disgusting phrase coined by the narcissistic minds of Camelot away where you can’t hurt yourself with it.
The best thing that can happen to the Jewish intellect is to be persecuted by the very devices which they, past and present, nutured in controlling political propaganda, and make conservatives out of them.
Shmuck.
Why are you calling him a schmuck? I, too, find it hard to feel sympathy for Jewish people because to this day they are voting solidly to keep people who hate them in power.
After considering several thousand years of their history, it appears to me that Jewish people are much better at tolerating persecution than standing up for themselves. I am a much bigger supporter of Israel than many of the Jewish people I know — and my Jewish friends who support Israel (here in Palm Beach County) are considered “extreme” by other Jewish friends.
Not to say that college students deserve any of this treatment, ever, but they should start punching back.
Martak–You obviously do not reside in Israel. Here, we honour our defenders, fallen soldiers and others killed while supporting our nation. The ceremonies are very moving and most of the population (not all) take part in them. In this country, all the boys and girls who participate in these ceremonies will eventually serve in the IDF. We are proud. I write this just to assure you that the Israeli people are very different from the Jews of North America. On the 64th anniversary of our founding, Shalom.
Robert: You are right, I live in Florida, and I’m aware there are many proud Jewish people (mostly in Israel) who do defend themselves. But it’s not enough. Why doesn’t the IDF send some young Israeli soldiers to universities in the U.S. to counter the Palestinian propoganda? Enroll them as students, let them get an education, but let them be as militant as these idiot Palestinians. When it becomes a conflict, instead of just Palestinians pushing everyone around, the universities will have to do something about it. Israel is in a fight for its life, and these young mushhead American college students who are being influenced by the “poor” Palestinians will graduate and become future leaders of the U.S. (cf. Barack Obama). Maybe that’s not a priority for Israel, but rest assured it is a priority for your enemies.
Israelis probably think they’ll get a better education at home than in the US.
zzz writes, “Israelis probably think they’ll get a better education at home than in the US.”
Well, if they’re studying mathematics, the sciences, economics, medicine, or engineering, they’ll get a top-notch education at the Technion or any of its major universities. (Full disclosure: I’m an active Technion supporter.)
But if their intent is to study the Humanities or Social Sciences, they’ll get much of the same left-wing crap they could get in the US. But at least their indoctrination won’t cost as much.
With standing up you went a little too far. In Israel – IDF members in all branches are loved and revered. And we do know how to defend ourselves.
So both responses to my comments have been from Israelis who reference the IDF. Which proves my point. You’re talking about military responses and I’m talking about individuals. I understand the inclination to leave defense to the military and go about your lives; we do that here, too. It’s just that you are losing the propoganda game.
But I am talking about American jews, and you are not. It’s just a shame.
Martak,
We’re not losing the propaganda war, we’ve already lost it, though not entirely yet – what’s still missing is to turn the majority of Americans against us. The Arabs and Muslims figured that they couldn’t defeat us militarily (yet), but that Israel can’t survive without Western support – therefore the strategy is to turn the West against us.
But consider our odds. We face almost the entire Muslim world with its 1.5 billion believers and over 50 states (which also make the largest state bloc in the UN), that control large part of the world’s natural resorces, mostly oil, and invests lots of oil money in the West, including nice donations to Western universities. They are supported by all the various communist and socialist regimes in the world (including some that have oil themselves) and, most importantly, by most of the Western left that controls the academia and media, and in Europe also by part of the right. If all that isn’t enough they are also supported by crazy Jews, including some Israeli Jews (far-leftist academics and journos), and including very wealthy Jews like George Soros (because having the oil money on their side isn’t enough).
When it comes to American Jews and Israel there are 4 types of responses:
1. Those who are anti-Israel.
2. Those who defend Israel.
3. Those who are so confused by the constant propaganda they don’t know what to think.
4. The majority who couldn’t care less.
In Israel there are 6 million Jews busy running a country, defending it, and just trying to make a living and raise a family like everyone else. In addition we have to fight the propaganda war against the Muslims who have a lot more money and manpower by far dedicated to that matter, and the leftists who control the academia and media, and the crazy Jews. We never stood a chance.
You didn’t read it carefully. He refers to the “Jews controlling political propaganda”, and so forth. He worse than the Islamofascists.
You’re correct. The first responder is simply an anti-Semite.
When Israelis and other Jewish students speak out on campus they are subjected to discrimination and retaliation from professors,administrators, and activist classmates. Their speakers are shouted down. Their events are cancelled for “security concerns”. Administrators refuse to protect them from the hooliganism such as occurred in Florida. I saw that happen for myself at SF State University and other Bay Area institutions of “higher learning”. These universities and colleges, including the junior colleges, are nothing but left- wing indoctrination factories.
And by the way it isn’t just directed to Jews and pro-Israel voices. The same discrimination and retaliation are directed at anyone who voices an opinion that differs from the left wing propaganda-masquerading-as-education of the faculty. These non-Jewish students also recoil in the face of constant,blatant discrimination.
My partner is a middle aged, blond, blue eyed, seriously intimidating, man. He is not Jewish but his consciousness has been raised as I am Jewish. He recently took an ethics class at a Bay Area college from a palestinian woman who is an anti-Israel activist. As a part of her class curriculum she discussed discrimination against various groups and then she came to the Jews. She said “I am supposed to talk about discrimination against the Jews but I am not going to teach about people who are always complaining against something that I don’t believe ever happened-referring to the Holocaust. A Jewish student and my partner immediately confronted her in class and in private conversation in her office. She failed them both. Both complained about her retaliation and lack of professionalism in class. The college solution was to force both to take the class over-from the same teacher.
Their protests had some effect in that each got good grades when they took the class a second time. But they were penalized in the financial cost and time wasted re-taking the class from this bigot.
Before you presume to judge Jewish students you might consider how you would react when far outnumbered by screaming student activists who are inciting violence against you and cowardly/bigoted authority figures who impact your education and professional future. Remember, most of these students are teen agers or adults who are trying to prepare for work. They are not trained to deal with this organized hatred.Don’t just point the finger at them. What are you doing to combat the menace that they generally face alone?
Here’s an idea on how to shut this sort of thing down very quickly: bring hidden cameras into the classroom and record lectures by people such as the woman who denied discrimination against Jews. Then air the videos on newsmagazine programs – if you can find shows that would dare to go against the anti-Zionist narrative! – or online in blogs like this one. That kind of overt propaganda, completely bereft of any basis in fact, might be just what it takes to shock people into action.
It seems to me that this sort of nonsense thrives by being known only within the rather narrow precincts of college campuses. If it were widely known outside of the campus setting, sensible adults – like politicians fearing for their re-election prospects if the bias is too strong – perhaps we’d see some change.
Of course maybe I’m just being naive. Since it is unlikely that the plainly left-wing MSM would actually show such footage, perhaps only political junkies would end up seeing such footage in blogs or websites.
None of you get it, I’m afraid.
The point is not whether we can defend ourselves or not. We can, as the world could see 150 mils Arabs trying to eliminate a country of 5 mils Jews, and fail.
The point is the protection we DO NOT get from administration all over the place. Israel’s actions, like it or not, is irrelevant. Would they stop protecting black students because of the New Black Panthers? Stop protecting Arabs because of the massacre in Syria?
It’s all an excuse.
Bye the way, for the person who offered Israeli troops coming over to camopuses in the US. How’d you like to see soldiers from would Arab troops doing the same? Not so smart.
No, You are the SHMUCK! And this comes from a Jew. But I dont think you can even comprehend this.
Maybe you can’t comprehend that 78% of Jewish voters in ’08 went for Obama. So who’s the real schmuck? Most of my Jewish friends are staunch supporters of Israel, yet they’re STILL tempted to vote for O again! And they sympathize with the various “occupy” manifestations, all of which set up the predicate for more anti-semitism and more anti-Israelism (largely the same leftist phenomenon). After all, who are “the rich” that oppress “the 99%” both domestically and in the Mideast? My Jewish friends will be running to join the mob to hang “the rich” with nooses in their hands until the very moment they notice that the nooses are being put over their own heads. I’ve tried to warn them, but I’m treated like a pariah. Again, who’s the schmuck? Whose responsibility is it to keep the Jews from being self-destructive?
Here we go again, we get blamed for everything!
There is a story (OK, I just made it up) about a blind man who was living in intolerable conditions on his block in the city. He heard from friends that if he only crossed a busy street he would find life better. Hearing this he went to the corner and tried to get somebody to help him cross. Nobody would help him get across. He was being denied a better life because nobody cared or wanted to help. Frustrated he took his cane and decided to cross on his own. Unlike the block with its buildings the street had no structures where he could orient himself. He was lost just a few feet from where had started. Finally he found a solid structure which he clung to out of despiration. As he moved around it, the crossing light changed and the car moved away from him leaving him lost and confused. The light changed again, and again there was a car in front of him. He found it and clung to it. This new car offered him security and orientation. Once more he proceeded around it carefully clinging to it. As the light changed, it too moved away from him. Now he was more confused and despirate than before. While reaching out, he heard the warning of a truck horn. Unable to orient himself to the warning and respond to it correctly, the truck ran him over. Moral of the story is don’t blame the blind man.
You are correct, and my response was to ben Yakov. Yes, too many vote democrat, and this is a shame. I can only attribute this to “herd” instinct. Or maybe degradation, when too many intelligent people loose the ability to think. But I think this is changing. The younger generation of American Jews start to think differently. More conservative, not apologetic, proud. It’s the “old” once who still have “can be worth” mentality.
Phantomorphan,
One thing that consistently recurs in these conservative blogs is the unquestioning acceptance of figures produced by a liberal media that you and others claim you don’t trust. Where does the 78 % figure come from? The liberal media. Why do you believe it and repeat it as gospel when you trust nothing else that comes from this media?
I don’t doubt that many Jews are liberal and vote by herd instinct, as do most people. Jews, in general, are no different and no smarter when it comes to politics than anyone else. Arguably they are stupider, since they are more likely to vote against their interests for esoteric reasons.
But it gets so bothersome to read people writing about Jews as if they are some strange exotic phenomenon. Most Jews are no different in their concerns and understanding of the world than any other group of people. They vote democratic in general because their parents did, their neighbors do and they want to be accepted by them.
The anti-Israel Jews are a tiny, but very vocal and well-connected minority in the Jewish community. They have the media megaphone because what they say pleases many who have an axe to grind against Jews, but within the Jewish community itself, they are mostly invisible.
Deal with it, Skydiver and Andy — 78%.
Alas, there was another blind man living on the same block who heard the same story about life across the street. He too wound up on the same corner trying to find a way across this street. Along came a very nice young man, who had noble intentions, and volunteered to help the man cross the street. In his zeal he grabbed the blind man’s arm and proceeded to lead him across the street. He pulled the man this way and that way.
Finally he said to the blind man, “Quit fighting me and let me lead you across. After all I am the one who can see clearly.” The blind man pulled away from him and took two steps on his own. Immediately, he was hit by a car. Moral of this story, who asked you to help?
I am a Jewish lady and totally agree with Phantomorphan. The facts speak for themselves… most Jews vote for destructive Leftist policies and Leftist politicians.
Even with Obumbles’ deplorable views on Israel, healthcare, the unions, the war on Terror; I bet that in November, he still captures the majority of the Jewish electorate. The only conclusion is that the Jewish community is INCREDIBLY DENSE politically, to the point of being self-destructive.
Has anyone measured how many Jewish doctors support Obamacare, the end result being the nationalization of their profession? They will most certainly lose financially, if this becomes a reality. The high standards (technically, ethically, and research-wise) of the entire profession will also decline, if this becomes a reality.
Being a Jew does not give you the right to accept anti-semitism. The guy sounds like something out of the protocols. As the Rabbis said, “I only appoint your enemies from among yourselves”.
I am getting frustrated. I’ve been conservative pretty much since birth, and I’ve been pointing out that the bigotry and anti-semitism is mostly on the Left. But now I am seeing more and more anti-semitic comments in conservative blogs, simply because most Jews pick the wrong party.
Mzk1, it’s not necessarily anti-semitic to mention facts, however uncomfortable. It might even be philosemitic, if it can open the eyes of more Jews to the (self-) destructiveness of obsessive leftism. The left has taken Europe over a cliff and is taking this country over a cliff; the more people who can open their eyes about where their votes are taking us, not to mention Israel, the better. I would say the same to blacks: A vote for Obama is a stupid, self-defeating vote. That doesn’t make me a black-hater. It would be better for blacks to vote for a more open economy, a non-union-dominated education system, etc., because there would be more opportunity for them (along with everyone else). Blacks, of all people, should know that racial voting is a bad idea. Jews, of all people, should know that creating an all-powerful government is a bad idea. Crying “racism” and “anti-semitism” in the face of facts really doesn’t help.
Hey Phannymorph,
There are none so blind as those who will not listen.
Please take your message to a street corner in South-Central LA. or to Harlem, or East St. Louis or South Chicago.
Ever question yourself WHERE that hatred and vilification of Jews comes from? It is unnatural. It can’t be reasoned away-I can feel the force of it in the words.
Satan and his demons hate the Jews, and have whipped up hatred and persecution against them throughout the millennia, a small seed of hate can grow into a big tree-a poisonous tree. On another topic: The Catholic “Church” are NOT a church-they are a political power with a religious facade and helped finance Hitler and his nazis and many of its priests were nazis. The true Christians (who love the Jews) have had to cop the blame for what the Catholic “Church” did to the Jews ever since. I do not blame Jews for that-to all appearances the CC looks “religious” but it is a war machine and the Vatican is the richest financial institution on the earth. Catholicism is Babylonian worship with the names of their gods and saints changed. It was Constantines “solution” to marrying pagan Roman worship with Biblical Christianity aroound 325BC. The true Christians were tortured and killed, the remainder went into hiding.
Very well stated……
Now we have actual demonization going on.
What a hoot!
For the record the Catholic Church was anti-Nazi and the Pope and Vatican were organizing a coup against Hitler with Anti-Nazi Anti Hitler Germans…which fell through.
There have been some very knowledgable Catholics on this board that have laid this out in quite some detail.
Carry on, with the Catholic bashing, Anti Catholic bigotry.
Why then didn’t any of the higher up Nazis, who were catholic, get excommunicated?
I take that back, one did, and his name was Goebbels, but that was because he married a protestant.
Do you have a “Polishing Horns Friday” where I can get a discount?
Christina La Vita,like it or not, Roman Catholics are the largest single group of Christians in the world today. Most of them are kind, decent people and they don’t appreciate people like you calling their faith and the Church “demonic.” The history of the Church is extremely complex. Leaders of the Church and individual Catholics have done many heroic things and many terrible things too. Catholic-bashers like you shold at least acknowledge the former in your diatribes against the Church. All Christians, not just Catholics, have a long and disgraceful history of anti-Semitism. Some contemporary Protestants who claim to support Israel do so only because of some skewed 19th century end-times theology, not because they really love the Jewish people or the idea of a Jewish homeland. You sound rather like one of this breed. The Jewish people are right to be suspicious of you and your kind.
And EscapeVelocity, your obssession with so-called “Euro-Christian” rights seems to be codespeak for good old fashioned white supremicism. The most persecuted and endangered Christians in the world today are not European; they are African, Indian, Southeast Asian, Middle Eastern, Chinese… Give a damn about them, and perhaps you’ll give yourself some legitimacy.
This is one of the most hateful verbal spews I have ever witnessed in my entire 50+ years of life.
This shouldn’t be about identity politics, but since it always is, anyway (sigh): For the record, I’m an atheist, brought up by ex-LDS agnostics. I vote conservative, but lean strongly libertarian on a few social issues. If I did believe in God, I’d choose to do so as a Jew. I used to get along fine with Christians, but over the past decade or so most of them have become so militant that I try very hard not to even in engage them on conservative boards even when I vehemently disagree with their hateful statements. This from a religion that claims to be all about universal love. If things keep going in the direction they’re headed I will be forced to give up my lifelong engagement in politics, the last real “outside [my immediate family] interest” I have left.
Shame on ALL of us for precipitating this horrid state of world affairs.
“Catholicism is Babylonian worship with the names of their gods and saints changed. It was Constantines “solution” to marrying pagan Roman worship with Biblical Christianity aroound 325BC. The true Christians were tortured and killed, the remainder went into hiding.”
This is one of the most bizarre claims I’ve seen in a very long time.
Do you seriously intend us to believe that Catholicism was invented in 325 BC? Do you know what BC stands for?
How could anyone invent a branch of Christianity more than 300 years BEFORE Christ was even born?
I guess that you’ll not be making the next MENSA meeting.
The smartest thing for the Jewish intelligencia to do is to Arm themselves, with guns and pistols, You young Jewish minds that one day probably will cure cancer, and do a gross of other good things for mankind…Take the mindset of your brothers and sisters in Israel…Say to the world “Never Again”..There is a lot of good people in this world, ‘The USA’ that will not stand idle while you are being persecuted…Bless you..
Huh?
Louis Farrakhan gets a standing ovation. Need we say more about the perceptual trap the black community and liberal Left finds itself in? The same trap that killed 6 million Jews and then said it never even happened? And what spasm of violence will be necessary in the end to bring madness around to reality like Dresden and Hiroshima applied a lesson?
We live in a culture where people simply deny events like the Holocaust ever happened, where Hispanics are turned into white people, where plaques are placed to honor terrorists in the West Bank and heroes reviled as racists who never even fought the good fight, despite some 350,000 Civil War deaths.
As in WW II, reality is once again based on ethnicity, and morality and innocence distributed accordingly. Being able to compare Yassir Arafat to Robert E. Lee, one who advocated eternal violence and one who advocated the reality of defeat and the pitiful price to be paid for Arafat’s policies, is not evident on the political Left; they are simply always right.
Like the notion that rides above the Zimmerman case, a reaction to 5,000 rockets from Gaza is murder, and firing 5,000 rockets justice, when the Left even bothers to mention those rockets. They’re inaccurate, so they don’t count. When they become accurate, the Left will find some reason to gerrymander reality to suit.
I weep for our future, and the terrible diversity immigration is bringing – where everyone is equal and so failure is imported like it’ll become extinct if we don’t nurture it. The fact is that if I had a West Bank citizenship, that place would never be MY place. But import these morons here to America and I have nothing to say about the true source of law and order in MY country, and I mean that with a capital MY. Having a passport doesn’t make one an American, that is brutally obvious. It just expands out drug cartels, the West Bank, Cairo , Egypt and other conspicuous sources of Jeffersonian ideals.
Amen, Burton.
“Where Hispanics are turned into white people”?? If by “Hispanic” you mean Spanish surnamed or Spanish speaking: The people of Spain are “white people” and the people of Spanish-speaking South America and Mexico are predominately white people or of mixed race (indigenous and white).
I was referring specifically to Zimmerman, not attempting an anthropological monograph.
However, having said that, there are huge populations of indigenous people in Mexico, Peru, Bolivia, Venezuela, etc. Neither Mexico or South America has enough white people to shake a stick at, relative to the overall populations. Nor then would that minority spawn a population of mixed bloods 20 times their own populations.
Unless they were very busy people. I’ve spent two years across 20 in Latin America. There are very few white people.
Zimmerman magically turned white when he shot a black person. If instead Zimmerman were shot by a white person he would have remained a dark Hispanic, or maybe he would have magically turned black. Because what stupid, racist, evil right-wingers like you don’t seem to get is that it was a racist murder – that is a given. The rest of the facts are quite fluid and difficult to determine. So if Zimmerman seems to you a little too dark to be white it’s just a tan, or maybe you need to have your eyes fixed. Obviously he must be white because we already know it was a racist murder, so whatever detail that seems to contradict it can’t be true. Therefore Zimmerman is white. What’s so difficult to understand?!
The most overstated and unimportant point in the Zimmerman case is that it was a racist murder. Who cares. Who cares what color he is, what color Trayvon was or why Zimmerman shot him. The point is he killed another human being. The point is that an unstable person should not have a gun. The point is, even if he was defending himself in some way, a death could have been avoided had he not been given a deadly weapon so freely.
And as a Jew myself, “Jewish ears are highly tuned to take offense,” but so are all of your ears belonging to other religions. Lets not pretend like there’s one religious group out there that wouldn’t take offense to hearing that they should be wiped out. Especially after some pretty influential people have tried to do it a couple of times on a massive scale.
And let’s not pretend all religious groups don’t take themselves darn seriously, no matter how ludicrous the guidelines may be – I think we can all agree that God would not have intended to create a group of sociopathic and suicidal members.
And if you’re disgusted by Jews or terrified of their presence in America, work hard and you won’t have to work for one of us. We don’t need you at our Jewbanks or movie studios, you wouldn’t be up to our overachieving standards anyway.
(Just being sarcastic and ironic like you.)
Very well done, I had to read it over a coupla times.
is for Pnina, just so there’s no mistake.
I wonder if Farrakhan uses medications invented by Jews or Moslems. I am looking forward for the long list of Nobel Prize winners in the sciences who are Moslems.
The most famous Islamic surgical technique, although not invented by them, is to cut off your nose to spite your face. That’s why Muslims would rather ride an elevator that falls 6 times a year, is made out of wood and I could sell on Ebay rather than buy one from a Jew.
And then there’s Iran, where they only cut off some of the nose.
Shi’ites you know.
It can join white European bashing as the Leftist zeitgeist. Welcome to the club of targets for the Lefts hate mongering….something that large swaths of American Jewry have been all to willing to participate in when it was white European Christians being targeted. Not to fun, heh?
“She had no idea of the historic implications of the noose.”
What a sad indictment of the American educational system. I abhor grievance studies, but if there is a true teaching of American history, this would be a part of it. And not confined to a short month when everyone is sick of spending all their time inside, but as part of an overall view of our history, warts included.
I appreciated rbj’s reminder that minorities have had a difficult time in U. S. history. But that does not justify the white liberal support of “multiculturalism,” a subtly racist form of remedy. I suggested how to get rid of it here: http://clarespark.com/2011/02/11/undoing-multiculturalism/. Racism is bad, and I hate it, but faux “toleration” is divisive and biologically incorrect. Time to face up to our sorry history, while educating the young in ways that do not instigate race riots and other forms of alienation.
Will be interesting to see who shows up at Farakhan’s funeral (which is long overdue, by the way).
I suggest that it’s time to start making and selling tiny effigies of Farrakhan with a noose around his neck. Put ‘em all over the place.
Along with the Barack Hussein Obama dog chew toys!
I’ll show up at his grave after drinking a case of beer.
They’re gonna have to put that thing is some transparent space-age material with towers, barbed wire and machine gun emplacements.
The Jews made an idolatry out of a college education and like all idolatries they follow the Jews will pay for their foolishness. It is actually good for Jews to see who and what they are and who looks over them and judges them.
With that said let us use the anti-semitism of the euro-anachronistic university system against it so that we can reform the system. Lower costs, make it truly intellectually open and rewarding and not have it a source of impoverishment of its end-user but of self-improvement. The anti-semitism on campus is to deflect the real goals and greed of the university administrations. Let us not reward them by playing victim.
Well, at least we don’t worship a human being.
Not sure about that. Have you met a Jewish Obama voter?
The American Jewish community is full of idiots who still look at FDR and Truman as heroes and thus always vote Democrat. They forget that FDR banned Jewish immigration during WWII. They think that the Left and African-Americans are their “folks,” but forget that in the riots in both Los Angeles and Washington, DC, in 1968 Jewish shops were among the first targeted…along with the Asian ones. Happened again in the Rodney King episode. Also, yes, I know that lots of Jewish intellectual in Europe supported the Bolsheviks because they saw that as a way out from under the “elites” of Russia, Poland, Germany, etc. That worked out really well in the 1930′s and ’40′s. So, if you think it “can’t happen here,” may I recommend that you read this: http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/04/25/the-second-coming-of-american-fascism/
– S.F. Comical.
One point. Jerusalem and Israel is/are the spiritual home of the world’s Jews, and the physical home of millions of the world’s Jews. If people made comments about Mecca it would be clear who they are talking about. Zionism IS Judaism these days, and anti-Zionism is antisemitism just as anti-Meccah-ism would be anti-Muslim. These idiot students need to be taught a lesson in bigotry and hate. They have had it too good.
It would not be clear. There are other ethnicities and also Sufis, Alawites, Shi’ites, etc.
Long live Israel!
Long live the IDF!
To many Jew’s in America, we grew up learning about the Holocaust from our parents and grandparents. There is one theme I remember, and teach it to my kids “Never Again”. No matter what these Arab apologist say or do, you remember, “Never Again”.
Just remembering will do us no good.
To many Jew’s in America, we grew up learning about the Holocaust from our parents and grandparents. There is one theme I remember, and teach it to my kids “Never Again”. No matter what these Arab apologist say or do, you remember, “Never Again”.
In times like these, it’s best to remember this vow:
Never again.
“Hatred is the great unifier of social movements and identity politics. But on campus, hatred of almost all groups, except Jews, is unacceptable. At Berkeley this year, Reverend Louis Farrakhan spoke to a crowded auditorium of 600 mostly black students. He regaled them with the “secret” history of Jews and the slave trade. For his faux history, condemned by the American Historical Association, Farrakhan received a standing ovation from what are probably the best and the brightest of the next generation of black leaders. But no one would dare sponsor the white incarnation of a Louis Farrakhan. No campus community would tolerate it.” — Abraham Miller
On Campus hatred of all groups except White European Christians is unacceptable. Louis Farrakhan’s anti-semtism is secondary to his Anti White European Chritendom. Many Jews agree with much of the anti-white European Christendom. The Ethnic, Race, Women, Gay & Lesbian Studies Departments are full of haters and are purveyors of Identity Politics…of the sort that no European Christian expression would be tolerated.
Suffice it to say, that this will not end well for minorities. Enjoy it while you can.
“The best thing that can happen to the Jewish intellect is to be persecuted…”
“Welcome to the club of targets for the Lefts hate mongering….something that large swaths of American Jewry have been all to willing to participate in when it was white European Christians being targeted.”
“The American Jewish community is full of idiots…”
“The Jews made an idolatry out of a college education and like all idolatries they follow the Jews will pay for their foolishness. ”
Tough audience tonight. I like the last one the best. Yes the foolish Jews with their emphasis on education.
I remember a few years back when the “Jewish Neocons” were bashed by the left for bringinging us Bush and Iraq. Now the Republicans are blaming Jews for electing Obama as the awesome sure-fire McCain/Palin ticket obviously hinged on that key 3% of the population. In my experience antisemitism is about even on Right or Left.
Israel has survived under Democrat and Republican American presidents. On balance it is hard to say if one was better than the other as far as that relationship. American Jewish voters do not really vote on that anyway.
American Jewry’s visceral reaction to Sarah Palin is worth contemplating.
Certainly McCain was uninspiring.
Well, this American Jew loved Sarah Palin. MY wife got me her first book for my birthday. (Well, I used to; she’s a bit too feminist for me.)
Point being – stop stereotyping. That’s what the bgots are doing.
loves Sarah Palin, too. And I still do.
I totally support Sarah Palin, voted for her (not for RINO McCain), read her book and will vote for her again (whenever she decides to run).
Not all Jews swallow the Socialist Kool-aid.
Don’t think you quite get it. An idolatry is something you turn to as a cure for ills rather than whatever real utility it has. Education is fine, education is important but putting up with whatever the system shoves down your throat is not exactly a worthwhile goal.
Putting a college degree on the wall and think you’ve got the world figured out is silly. In fact I think you got the point but you like thinking that brag wall you’ve got is a truly big deal.
the Israeli occupation of the west bank is a political not a religious issue
frankly as an american jew I see no justification for the continuing settlement
expansion other than either the prime minister wants to mollify the right
wing extremists parties to retain power or in the alternative, jews believing
that the bible has ordained their taking back what they perceive to
be their historical land is taking over the discussion which should focus
on how does the state of Israel preserve both its democratic form of government
as well as its jewish identity in the future..it has to choose between dominating an area where jews are outnumbered and not affording those over
whom it dominates equal rights or choosing to allow the palestinians the right
to have their own state with guarantees for Israeli security..the problem
for Israel is that the rest of the world does not see it as a bastion of
freedom in the middle east..it views it as an oppressor occupying another
nation against its will..and a growing number of american jews are beginning
to understand that the policy of the state of Israel is causing the revival
of anti semitism even in universities in America…this can no longer be
justified by the crimes committed by Nazi Germany..Israel is a nation and
if you told it in 1967 that it could live behind those borders in security
it would have certainly agreed…but the insistance of the settlers and
the extremists on expanding the territory of the nation may ultimately
be the undoing of the jewish state…
You’re a coward. Blaming Israel for anti-semitism that may come to impact you at some point in the future.
As if Israel has not bent over backwards for peace, over and over again.
You have no historical memory, and certainly no cultural memory.
You’re a disgrace, and I say that more in sorrow than in anger.
You are exactly the problem with American Jewry, which was exactly the problem with German Jewry- except in those days, it was the uncouth eastern European Jews the German Jews blamed for German anti-Semitism.
Get a spine, will you?
Or STFU.
Before Arafat walked out of Camp David and launched the bus bombers a lot of people would have agreed with you. Israel has not approved a new settlement in 20 years but they may now. Time marches on and it is plain to everyone that the Palestinians have walked away from their own state too many times to blame it in Israel anymore. There is only one state acceptable to them, from the Jordon to the Sea.
Isreal could be built in the middle of the ocean and anti Semites would still use it to fuel their hatred. It is nothing new and with or without Israel it will not go away. All of that “world hatred” you talk about does not pretend to be political. They are much less deluded than American lefties who carefully couch it in political terms.
This is typical: “For example, in 1993 Professor Agha Hamid published an article entitled “The History of the Jews, Part One” in the Indonesia Times , which described the Jews as being characterized by “intense greed, unhindered abominable vices, plundering, usurpation, trickery and other allied traits”. He also alleged that “the Jewish religion is not a religion at all. It is, in fact, a bloody, sadistic and obscene code devised by Zionist-Talmudic sages.”
http://www.axt.org.uk/antisem/archive/archive1/indonesia/index.htm
That is not at all shocking and you could find that expressed throught the middle east and other areas on any given day.
Exactly right. Jew hatred is ancient, modern day Israel is new.
That a Jew would blame Israel for Jew hatred boggles the mind with its selfish idiocy.
“The world began when I was born.”
mr. e,
your claim to being jewish is a lie. there are no dumb jews.
…except David Axelrod, Noam Chomsky, Rahm Emanuel, Norman Finkelstein, MJ Rosenberg, George Soros, Debbie Wasserman-Schulz, J Street, Jewish Voice for Peace, Carter voters, 0bama voters,…
they’re smart, wield much influence and power, often by exploiting the fact that they’re jews.
they just happen to stink on ice also.
These people aren’t stupid, they’re as evil as the Rosenbergs. And don’t get me started about the fascist Michael Bloomberg.
well, they may be vicious, or weird, or schizoid, even dopey and naive. but they’re not dumb. sorry.
Please, Judy, tell me you aren’t pushing that old stereotype that all Jews are smart!
That’s just ludicrous. A reasonable person might even agree that it is racist.
Here’s why. In my opinion, any gross generalization based on a person’s ethnic background, FAVORABLE OR UNFAVORABLE, is a form of racism.
I know that is going to raise some eyebrows. I think the average person believes racism is only thinking or saying UNFAVORABLE things about someone on the basis of their “race”. I don’t agree.
Assuming that all Jews are smart is just like assuming that all black people are great basketball players or dancers. Although beliefs like this are obviously less obnoxious than believing that all black people have tails or that all Jews eat Christian babies, they are equally false. There are surely at least a few dimwitted Jews. There are surely at least a few blacks who can’t play basketball or dance to save their lives. Therefore, it is just as preposterous to assume favorable things on the basis of ethnicity as it is to assume unfavorable things on the same basis.
So please stop it.
The Jews are just like everyone else. Some are smart, some are not. Some are brave, some are cowardly. Some are nice people, some are not. And so on….
Well said-on both counts.
MY APOLOGIES FOR ANY MISUNDERSTANDING; my comment: “Well said-on both counts.” is in response to ‘Judy nyc’-not the two anti-Semites whose comments are positioned above mine. (Just in case some one misunderstood.)
you mean axelrod chomsky et al don’t stink on ice?
Given the armored columns preparing to march out of the West Bank in ’67 and slice through a few miles to the sea, cutting Israel in half, I believe the West Bank is no kind of abstract issue, though Jerusalem itself certainly merits that, but one of survival.
My favorite ideology.
Mark Steyn rips another one out of the park.
Exodus
April 17, 2012
http://www.steynonline.com/4923/exodus
As far as the media were concerned, the murder of Jewish schoolchildren in Toulouse and a black teenager in Florida were the same story — literally: Angry white male opens fire on “the other,” his deeply ingrained racism inflamed by the tide of toxic right-wing hate infecting our public discourse. Alas, in Florida, the angry white male turned out to be a registered Democrat and half Hispanic — or, as the New York Times put it, a “white Hispanic,” a descriptor never applied by its editors to, say, Sonia Sotomayor or Gloria Estefan or indeed any other person living or dead. And in Toulouse the angry white male turned out to be yet another Muhammad.
Oh, well. Better luck next time, although the pickings seem likely to get thinner: Pitch the Western world a decade or two down the road, riven by an ever-more-fractious tribalism between blacks, Hispanics, and Muslims, and the one surviving nonagenarian neo-Nazi white supremacist will be at the retirement home. But it’ll still all be his fault.
The Toulouse assumptions were particularly deluded. If the flow of information is really controlled by Jews, as the Reverend Jeremiah Wright assured his students at the Chicago Theological Seminary a year or two back, you’d think they’d be a little better at making their media minions aware of one of the bleakest stories of the early 21st century: the extinguishing of what’s left of Jewish life in Europe. It would seem to me that the first reaction, upon hearing of a Jewish school shooting, would be to put it in the context of the other targeted schools, synagogues, community centers, and cemeteries. And yet liberal American Jews seem barely aware of this grim roll call. Even if you put to one side the public school in Denmark that says it can no longer take Jewish children because of the security situation, and the five children of the chief rabbi of Amsterdam who’ve decided to emigrate, and the Swedish Jews fleeing the most famously tolerant nation in Europe because of its pervasive anti-Semitism; even if you put all that to the side and consider only the situation in France… No, wait, forget the Villiers-le-Bel schoolgirl brutally beaten by a gang jeering, “Jews must die”; and the Paris disc-jockey who had his throat slit, his eyes gouged out, and his face ripped off by a neighbor who crowed, “I have killed my Jew”; and the young Frenchman tortured to death over three weeks, while his family listened via phone to his howls of agony as his captors chanted from the Koran… No, put all that to one side, too, and consider only the city of Toulouse. In recent years, in this one city, a synagogue has been firebombed, another set alight when two burning cars were driven into it, a third burgled and “Dirty Jews” scrawled on the ark housing the Torah, a kosher butcher’s strafed with gunfire, a Jewish sports association attacked with Molotov cocktails…
Here’s Toulouse rabbi Jonathan Guez speaking to the Jewish news agency JTA in 2009: “Guez said Jews would now be ‘more discreet’ about displaying their religion publicly and careful about avoiding troubled neighborhoods. … The synagogue will be heavily secured with cameras and patrol units for the first time.”
This is what it means to be a Jew living in one of the most beautiful parts of France in the 21st century.
Well, you say, why are those Jewish kids going to a Jewish school? Why don’t they go to the regular French school like normal French kids? Because, as the education ministry’s admirably straightforward 2004 Obin Report explained, “En France les enfants juifs — et ils sont les seuls dans ce cas — ne peuvent plus de nos jours être scolarisés dans n’importe quel établissement”: “In France, Jewish children, uniquely, cannot nowadays be provided with an education at any institution.” At some schools, they’re separated from the rest of the class. At others, only the principal is informed of their Jewishness, and he assures parents he will be discreet and vigilant. But, as the report’s authors note, “le patronyme des élèves ne le permet pas toujours”: “The pupil’s surname does not always allow” for such “discretion.”
Metropolitan Toulouse has a population of 900,000 or so, about the size of Jacksonville, Fla. Imagine if, in Jacksonville, synagogues were firebombed, and kosher butchers shot up, and Jewish schoolkids gunned down, and, in the dull, placid months between the spasms of front-page attention, the cold, ongoing Jew-hate were so routine that it was no longer safe for a Jew to walk his own city with any identifying mark of his faith, or for his child to reveal his Jewishness at school.
In Toulouse, much of the Jewish community arrived after the religio-ethnic cleansing of French North Africa in the Sixties and Seventies. What they fled has followed them to the Midi-Pyrénées, and now it’s time to move on again — as it is elsewhere in Europe. “Jews with a conscience should leave Holland, where they and their children have no future, leave for the U.S. or Israel,” advised Frits Bolkestein, the former EU commissioner and head of the Dutch Liberal party. “Anti-Semitism will continue to exist, because the Moroccan and Turkish youngsters don’t care about efforts for reconciliation.”
Thus, posterity’s jest. Pre-war Europeans would never have entertained for a moment the construction of mosques from Malmö to Marseilles. But post-war Holocaust guilt, and the revulsion against nationalism and the embrace of multiculturalism and mass immigration, enabled the Islamization of Europe. The principal beneficiaries of the Continent’s penance for the great moral stain of the 20th century turned out to be the Muslims — with the Jews on the receiving end, yet again.
It won’t stop there. Mijnheer Bolkestein is not (yet) asking what else those “youngsters” don’t care for, but like many other secular Continentals with no interest in Jews one way or the other he’ll soon find out.
I just have to clarify that Frits Bolkestein’s outspoken words were meant to shock the Dutch people into realizing the consequences of Muslim mass immigration and he did not mean to literally advise the Jews to leave. Bolkestein was perhaps the first Dutch politician to oppose Muslim mass immigration and he’s controversial for that reason. The Dutch are proud of their tolerance, and the Jewish minority is seen as a long-standing symbol of that tolerance. Mass immigration is also seen as part of this tolerance, but it’s a newer phenomenon. Bolkestein said that if Muslim mass immigration continues there is no future for Jews in the Netherlands. He said it to provoke the Dutch and it succeeded at the time. It’s hardly the only thing he said about the consequences of Muslim mass immigration.
Thanks for the information. I think Mark Steyn would also be interested in this correction.
Jews have a long history of trying to go along and get along. This passivity got millions killed(Nazis). Finally with the nation of Israel, the Biblical warrior spirit has been revived. The hate-filled, intolerant ‘Jews who hate Israel’ (and they are many)aren’t really much different from the Nazis when they began their evil work, are they? If Israel falls the world will descend into chaos.
Jews support minority Identity Politics, and have for quite some time.
Enjoy the fruits of your labor, I say.
It was all good when it was White European Christians that were the universal targets of hatred, heh?
Welcome to the new Zeitgeist that you helped create and legitimize.
I would argue thqt at the time it was created, it was a necessary and valuable thing. But like many good ideas, it went to far, grew into a monsgter, that now of course threatens those who supported it becasue of its noble original inentions.
Sound familiar?
This is a pattern that repeats in many realms, be it national debt, unions, ‘academic independence’, etc.
The real enemy is now the PC policing of discourse. Get a handle on that, put things back on the table for discussion, and perhaps there are solutions possible.
I think the organized black community, given what we hear about the coming generation of ‘leaders’, is lost for our lifetime (as is the muslim world).
Dude, its the old guard that are much more objectionable. Black conservatives are much more numerous amongst the younger generation. PBS/NPR front man Tavis Smiley invited Louis Farrakhan to speak at the mainstream State of the Black Union. Murderous race war Black Panthers are lionized, heeped with praise and given honors widely throughout the Black Political Elite. The Black Panthers are heros and martyrs. We need the old Civil Rights crowd to die, in order to move beyond their politics of hatred.
Remember this recent gem…
Black militant radical feminist, Black Panther, and CPUSA leader Angela Davis is among honorees on D.C. court wall for Black History Month.
by Ron Rodash
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/11/jury-isnt-out-on-angela-davis/?page=all
Violent racist race war mongers and haters are honored and legitimized by the Establishment, they are the Establishment, filling our University Studies Departments (we pay them and give them tenure to teach hatred to children and pump out hate literature and research).
The Maoist’s dominate the minority Left.
‘Dude’, we’re on the same page with the ‘organized’ Black community. They are lost.
Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. – Book of Hosea
Here is an excerpt from the Ron Rodash article…
One of these personifications of “greatness,” however, comes as a shock, especially in the context of a court of law. It is none other than Angela Davis, a black activist who came to prominence in the 1960s as a leader of the Communist Party U.S.A. and the radical black group the Black Panther Party. Ms. Davis was such a high profile communist in the latter days of the Cold War that she was awarded the so-called “Lenin Peace Prize,” given to her in a Moscow ceremony by Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev himself.
“Of course, Ms. Davis, too, was a trailblazer in her own way.
She was the second black woman to make the FBI’s Ten Most Wanted list. She earned that distinction as a fugitive wanted on murder and kidnapping charges stemming from her role in a notorious attack on a courtroom in Marin County in California.
On Aug. 7, 1970, a black 17-year-old named Jonathan Jackson, toting a small arsenal of guns, entered the courtroom of Judge Harold Haley, where convict James McClain was facing murder charges in the death of a prison guard. Brandishing a gun, Jackson halted the proceedings and then armed McClain, after which they together armed two other convicts, who’d been called as witnesses in the case. Jackson and the three freed prisoners then took Judge Haley, the prosecutor and three female jurors hostage, bargaining chips in their effort to force the release from prison of older brother George Jackson, an armed robber who also was under indictment on murder charges in the death of another prison guard.
A career criminal turned Black Panther prison organizer, George Jackson was the author of “Soledad Brother,” a collection of his militant prison letters. The abductors fled with their hostages — Judge Haley now with a sawed-off shotgun taped under his chin, the others bound with piano wire — in a waiting van. They didn’t get far before reaching a police roadblock, where a shootout erupted, leaving Judge Haley, Jonathan Jackson and two other kidnappers dead, the prosecutor paralyzed for life and a juror wounded.
It was quickly established that Angela Davis had purchased at least two of the guns used in the deadly attack, including the shotgun that killed Judge Haley, which she had bought two days earlier and which was then sawed off. California law considered anyone complicit in commission of a crime a principal. As a result, Marin County Superior Judge Peter Smith charged Ms. Davis with “aggravated kidnapping and first-degree murder” and issued an arrest warrant for her. Instead of surrendering for trial, Ms. Davis went into hiding. She was captured by the FBI almost three months later at a Howard Johnson motel on 10th Avenue in the heart of New York City.”
Put cross-hairs on a political website and you’re accused of murder; murder someone and you’re accused of justice. That’s the very wide perceptual gulf the Dem Party has to cross back over if they are ever to regain their sanity.
Leftism is at war with Caucasian followers of the Bible, Old or New Testament.
This includes the JUT’s and JINO’s. (Jewish Uncle Tom’s who sell out their race to curry favor with its persecutors, and Jews in Name Only who don’t follow the faith, but pretend on high holidays)
Soros fits in neither of these categories, but in a one especially reserved for him, calling Soros a Jew is like calling a box jellyfish…a fish. It has the word “fish” in its name, but it is spineless, venomous, and deadly if you treat it as something it is not.
Leftists have created a “safe harbor of hate” against Jews on campus, Jews in Israel, and Jews in Europe. This is a not-so-distant cousin of the “safe harbor of hate” against Southern whites, Republicans in general, conservatives of all stripes, non-leftist white Christians of all denominations, blacks and Hispanics who dare to cross over the political line, and Tea Party advocates for small government and less debt.
Hatred in these safe harbors, allows for any and every filthy epithet to be hurled, every sneering comment, every insult, every slander.
The fact that a large segment of the Jewish population has significant historical ties to leftism, even far left…hard left, radical left, does not give the Jewish people absolution, especially Israel and its inhabitants.
To find traitors and turncoats within the ranks of academia, Hollywood, and the Propaganda and Lies Ministry with Jewish surnames, is one of the saddest facts of The Betrayal against the Biblical homeland of Israel and the adopted homeland of America in post-modern history.
But many of the commenters above make this out to be a genetic defect or a hallmark of Jewish bloodlines. That’s a libel as bad as the Betrayal itself. You don’t fight Propaganda and Lies…with opposing propaganda and lies. You don’t fight the despicable with “like kind” repayment.
You fight it with truth, honor and dignity.
Israel is filled with all of the above. So is America.
Let us not mirror our enemies, the enemies of truth and honor. Let us shame them. Not ourselves.
Everyone has the right to vote for whoever one thinks will fulfill/ improve/modify deteriorated living conditions, even if it’s Dracula! I’m not defending anyone nor am I in favor of one or another side, I’m trying to be objective. How many voters appeared at the polls? What was the proportion of Jews? If my numbers are right it was about 5:1000. How many people didn’t even bother to vote? Whatever the blame, then it’s certainly that of the American citizens. The Jews gave the “Obama” vote exactly because of this, just too bad for the others! Now about us Jews, as long as we accept and bend over to that Arab “bullying” we’ll have problems. The thing is: an eye for both, a tooth for the whole jaw – that’s the only attitude terrorists and gangsters understand. And since when do Americans allow other (aliens) to lead and dictate their lives? Why don’t you people yell to high heaven about is being done to Christians,Catholics, Protestants, Copts, Buddhists, burning of churches, kidnappings, murders; in the Arab-Muslim ruled countries such as Sudan, Egypt, Thailand, etc.? Why don’t you go out to Syria and gun down Assad and the whole government who are massacring their population? Israel is only a pretext for the Arabs to try and promote another “ethnic elimination”. So you people should analyse history far deeply, unless you want to become just another Muslim colony the way England and France are going; that’s enough of parroting the Al-Jazeera, Al Ahram, Sott Al Arab and other nazi-based propaganda midia!
Israel is forever – KOL HAI AM ISRAEL !!!!!
But many of the commenters above make this out to be a genetic defect or a hallmark of Jewish bloodlines. — cfbleachers
Please substantiate the above.
Propaganda and Lies indeed.
Methinks the lady doth protest too much…
And we see the mere accusation is enough. To deny it, simply empowers the accusation….as one is then defending ones honor from smears, and that is what sticks in peoples minds, word associations.
Still no evidence, even though comments have been added since, which may offer some hope.
The best thing that can happen to the Jewish intellect is to be persecuted by the very devices which they, past and present, nutured in controlling political propaganda, and make conservatives out of them.
Why are you calling him a schmuck? I, too, find it hard to feel sympathy for Jewish people because to this day they are voting solidly to keep people who hate them in power.
After considering several thousand years of their history,…
The Jews made an idolatry out of a college education and like all idolatries they follow the Jews will pay for their foolishness. It is actually good for Jews to see who and what they are and who looks over them and judges them.
Jews support minority Identity Politics, and have for quite some time.
Enjoy the fruits of your labor, I say.
It was all good when it was White European Christians that were the universal targets of hatred, heh?
Welcome to the new Zeitgeist that you helped create and legitimize.
Consider it substantiated. Propaganda and Lies indeed…indeed.
Nothing about genetic defects and bloodlines in any of those statements.
Perhaps English is not your first language and that’s the basis of the problem here. I mean this with all sincerity.
When one talks about “a thousand years” or “all Jews” or “Jews throughout history” etc., it carries with it an inference that in one’s native tongue becomes much more clear and obvious than if one has to translate words in their most literal sense.
The richness and fullness of language is stunted when a simile is missed or a subtle inference is taken literally.
Your attachment to the bound and shackled literal translation suggests either that you lack the layered depth of language, or simply that you are disingenuous when it comes to this topic and are now defending an entrenched position, devoid of reason and perspective.
Either way, my position taken on those statements stands. Israel has been under a Propaganda and Lies assault from the left …most recently by a 60 Minutes hatchet job suggesting that they were driving out Christians…in order to weaken the very strong Christian conservative support Israel receives in America.
The UN is a serial offender, the BBC is a serial offender, Reuters is a serial offender, the Soros-fed slime machine is a serial offender, and the American mass media are serial offenders.
The kneejerk (emphasis on jerk) anti-Semites on the right who are mostly closeted now, but occasionally crawl out from under their rocks, have not been totally eliminated from the conversation, but they are not acceptable in sane society today. Most of the closeted hate, wrapped in thinly-veiled disguise is now nearly the sole province of the left. That’s why they are much more dangerous, even if they are equally despicable cretins.
You see, you do yourself no favors when you rip into conservatives that have criticism of the majority of American Jewry’s Leftist politics…by smearing them with the language of Nazis that isnt there. In most cases, Euro-Christian conservatives are staunch supporters of Israel as a Jewish State.
I realize that Israel (like Euro-Christian States) are under constant assault of propaganda and lies from the Left. And now it’s open season on Jews, just as it has been open season on Euro-Christians, by the Left.
What Jews need to understand is that the Euro-Christians are in the same boat as them. They seem to have a blind spot in this regard.
The 60 Minutes hit piece is standard fare for Leftist Media, condemning Euro-Christian Nation States with regards to minorities. We’ve all seen it a million times, though I suspect that many Jews support this kind of crap when its aimed at Euro-Christians, but not when its aimed at Israel. This is the point that I like to push, so that American Conservative Jews like Maine Michael in this thread, who think that The Frankfurt School Adorno and Marcuse were just good ole Jewish social justice seekers, instead of haters that launched ugly Anti-Euro Christian assaults against Euro-Christian societies and peoples….will catch a clue. When the same is done to Israel by Leftists, it helps them to understand the dynamic better, that what is being done is Anti-Semitic in nature when done to Jews, is equally ugly Anti-Euro-Christianism when done to Euro-Christian states and societies. And the landslide majority of American Jewry fully supports this Leftist Anti-Euro-Christianism.
That is what needs to be understood. That this really rubs Euro-Christian Conservatives the wrong way, should be well understood by Jewish Conservatives. Hurling Nazi slurs at them for expressing it, is as bad as people hurling Nazi slurs at Israelis for defending themselves from Anti Semites.
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Everyone has the right to vote for whoever one thinks will improve/modify deteriorated living conditions, even if it’s Dracula! I’m not defending anyone nor am I in favor of one or another side, I’m trying to be objective. How many voters appeared at the polls? What was the proportion of Jews? If my numbers are right it was about 5:1000. How many people didn’t even bother to vote? Whatever the blame, then it’s certainly that of the American citizens. The Jews gave the “Obama” vote exactly because of this, just too bad for the others! Now about us Jews, as long as we accept and bend over to that Arab “bullying” we’ll have problems. The thing is: an eye for both, a tooth for the whole jaw – that’s the only attitude terrorists and gangsters understand. And since when do Americans allow other (aliens) to lead and dictate their lives? Why don’t you people yell to high heaven about is being done to Christians,Catholics, Protestants, Copts, Buddhists, burning of churches, kidnappings, murders; in the Arab-Muslim ruled countries such as Sudan, Egypt, Thailand, etc.? Why don’t you go out to Syria and gun down Assad and the whole government who are massacring their population? Israel is only a pretext for the Arabs to try and promote another “ethnic elimination”. So you people should analyse history far deeply, unless you want to become just another Muslim colony the way England and France are going; that’s enough of parroting the Al-Jazeera, Al Ahram, Sott Al Arab and other nazi-based propaganda midia!
Israel is forever – KOL HAI AM ISRAEL !!!!!
Support direct action against the (White European Christian Capitalist) fascists on University Campus, then get branded fascist (Jewish Supremacist Zionist Oppressors) by the baying mobs and act quelle surprised.
We didnt know this is what it was like to be on the receiving end of this hatred. We were merely acting against the White European Christian Capitalist Oppressors…you know with good intentions. Now its turned ugly, and these people no longer have good intentions (else they would still be focusing their hatred and aggression singly upon the White European Christian Captialists).
What a hoot!
As I said.
Enjoy!
You are all too late in your arguments pro and con.
When Engels and Marx gave the world Socialism, they set in motion an attack on all religions which meant all people who admit to belonging to the old belief systems. From that time, there are no jews, no christians, no buddhists, no hindus. The ony religionists left were those who never encountered Socialism and therefore still had their belief systems intact, not under attack.
Today, the major system still standing is Islam, the second is paganism. Both these groups are thriving because they don’t truck with Socialism. They still believe. That is why religious corporations, charities, universities, our federal government let them be while all the others are reined in.
Further, the believers have all the wealth now…real wealth, tangible stuff worth something while the rest of us are dealing with Socialism’s phantom money!
This is causing even more attention paid to the believers, while we hack away at what is left in the past believers.
The poor Jews, who went along with all this Socialism, thinking it would even the playing field for them since old adversaries would be put down by the secularism of their good beliefs, now find themselves dealing with people who consider the Jew worse than the believers now gone!
This has happened before in History, especially in the Roman Empire. The problem making all Mankind into one kind of brotherhood just doesn’t make it with Mankind! You can’t pick and choose among the educated believers, destroy many when the vast body of men do not believe in education!
Frankly, I look upon these incidents as poetic justice for one group waging intellectual war on others like themselves, who they hate because they hate themselves!
Kill all the Jews? Go f-ck yourself, Anonymous.
“Roman Empire?” What happened in the Roman Empire was that a cancerous tumor called Christianity rotted out the sturdy Roman virtues and replaced them with half-digested ideas borrowed from the Jews and grotesquely perverted. If there is analogy to be drawn, it is between Christianity and Socialism which is essentially a modern, secular form of Christianity.
As Christianity undermined Rome from within, so socialism undermines democracies today. Christians have difficulty recognizing this but it couldn’t be plainer.
Read your history – Christianity came to the forefront in Constantinople and Alexandria. People forget how important Alexandria was, even 300, 400 years after the last of the Ptolemies, Cleopatra. Christianity was officially Roman, only after the Romans left Rome. Alexandria thought it might itself be the next seat of the Roman empire at the time Constantinople was founded.
are actually not all that many, but way too many nevertheless, a small but clever Jewish far-leftist critical mass, mostly represented by J Street, which wins a good portion of gullible dupes as adherents by claiming itself to be “pro-Israel.”
I am an American Jew and I must agree when it comes to persecution of Jews around the world and hatred of Israel most American Jews are on the wrong side. I have walked out of more Synagogues than I can count because the Rabbi was teaching the Torah of the Democratic party instead of the Torah of Moses. Jewish Democrats are far more loyal to the Democratic party than to Israel.
Just please remember there are Jews in this country who saw the light when Reagan was President (long before many writers here at PJM by the way.) There are many Jews who are staunch conservatives and recognize the threat the Vichy Jews embrace.
of the Democratic Party is right on target.
I had to bring up the murders in Toulouse to my misguided rabbi, which never occurred to him to mention, while he kvelled over Obama’s misguided remarks and Sharpton, Holder, Jackson, and the Panthers’ race-baiting lynch-mob agitation over the Trayvon Martin shooting.
But Christianity is the same; left-wing Christianity also replaces the Bible with the Democratic party platform. The NCC pushed for Elian to be sent back to Cuba.Those who blame Jews for copying the Christian Left, when historically Christians spushed Jews into that position with everything from the Higher Criticism to pushing the Reform movement to all sorts of attacks on those who “didn’t fit in”, is nothing by bigotry.
You are right on target. I walked out of one synagogue after hearing the rabbi preaching the doctrine of social justice and promoting Obamacare at his high holiday sermons. Another temple I refused to join after hearing a sermon on how fighting global warming and environmentalism are part of Torah values. Judaism has become another branch of the democratic party in this country.
You walked out – better that you had confronted the “rabbi”/community organizer.
Weird thread. A definite sense among some posters here that Jews are somehow responsible for the sorry state of American Civilization.
Were just 5 our of 330 million people.
How is it when things go wrong, Jews always get it in the neck?
Maine Michael. But inevitable. Just like in Nazi Germany. All Commies. All Capitalists. Jews bad.
Heh. God bless and keep Israel.
Strength. Raw power. There is no substitute!
Yeah, it’s quite scary. You see, the title of this aticle is misleading. It says: “Jew-Bashing at Universities the New Normal”. In fact, it’s not the new normal, but the old normal. For a while in the post-Holocaust West there was a new normal that made Jew-bashing unacceptable in polite society. But the new normal has worn off over time and now the old normal is back. Pretty much everywhere. We should start thinking how to survive this round.
Pnina. I’ve missed you.
I remember that new normal well back then. It came after my bar-mitzvah, just when Israel was born.
Back to normal all over again, sad to say.
Three out of nine Supreme Court justices — 33% — are Jewish, and all three are leftists. Mere coincidence? Jews are natural leaders because they constitute a cognitive elite. (There’s a stereotype for you! But it’s a positive one, and honestly, would you deny it?) And, in the political and social spheres, that leadership is overwhelmingly put in the service of leftism. Where would the “progressive” movement in this country be without Jews? Let’s say Jews constitute something like 3% of the population. What percentage of Obama’s campaign money would you guess came from Jews?
Can you honestly deny that for most secular Jews — i.e., Jews who don’t believe in God, although they may go to shul and treasure their heritage — leftism is their real religion? It would appear that many consider it (in the form of “social justice,” which is neither social nor just) inseparable from their very Jewishness, and I’ve heard that from my Jewish friends. This is why, despite Obama’s long-established association with Jew-haters and Israel-haters, 78% of American Jewish voters supported him anyway. Something over 60% still plan to vote for him in November, despite all we’ve seen. Deal with it.
and deal with it all the time, in shul and out, and it ain’t easy. Don’t need any of your lectures.
OK, so you lecture. What can be done?
Go read The Oslo Syndrome: Delusions of a People Under Siege, by Kenneth Levin, for starters.
i was of the impression this article is about anti-semitism suffered by jewish students in higher education. instead, it is for the most part, anti-semitic.
no, it is not the fault of the jewish students that under the rubric of diversity the flotsam and jetsum of the world pours into our schools. this rising tide of sewage of the ignorant and unteachable, the mildly brain damaged, the psychotic, the anti-social and the sociopath, has infected every step along the way to a degree. and, to an even more alarming degree, it is nothing more than a meaningless sop to keep the unruly from becoming restless.
we had a golden age, post ww2. i am grateful that i was blessed to be part of that. what a time that was. now, i am grateful to be nearer the end than the beginning. i don’t want to see the future. bad enough to imagine it.
you got it right, judy. quite a time it was, and now it stinks, all over again. hard to think and to imagine.
hang in, though, it isn’t over, don’t let it beat you down, okay?
Is it just me, or are others also somewhat creeped out when some people start talking abut ‘Caucasian’ this and ‘White Christian’ that?
Conservatives come in all creeds and colors.
Reducing the issue to race is not only wrong, it is counterproductive, unless you are looking for racial conflict – where there are no winners. Take it from a Jew.
Indeed. Just survey the literature coming out the Ethnic, Race, Women’s, and Gay & Lesbian Studies departments. Creepy as all get out.
You can start with the Frankfurt School of Marxism, staffed heavily with Jewish thinkers bent on undermining and subverting European Christendom.
But alas…its people like me that are creepy. Just as the Israeli Jewish Zionists are the creepy ones, am I right? All this talk about a Jewish State is creepy. Israel has many other folks and its there country too.
But alas…you still go for the double standards. Its just that a good chunk of the Left has decided to remove double standard status to Israeli Jews and Zionist Jews. Which leaves you in a lurch.
Best you think all this stuff out and through, my fellow American Conservative of Jewish persuasion. People do notice.
We notice you. Creepy as all get out. Best you think this stuff out through and through.
Im a staunch supporter of Israel as a Jewish State for a wide variety of reasons. I am also a great admirer of much of Jewish culture and achievement. As a gentile Christian, I am particularly indebted to Jewish thought, values, philosophy, metaphysics, etc.
I am also highly critical of the large majority of American Jewry’s political agendas for the last half century at least, perhaps the last century.
At least you havent hit me with the Anti-Semite label designed to stop discourse and silence people yet. I guess creepy is an improvement.
best you think these things out through and through, and read MM’s comment below while you’re at it.
Is is the reduction to race that is offensive to Jewish ears. Go figure.
Have you ever been to Israel? It is the most integrated, multiracial society on the face of the earth, and that is among the Jews there, never mind the non Jews, who have all the same rights.
Zionism is a Jewish concept, a cultural one, not a racial concept, so your analogy does not apply. You too can convert, and become one with the nation of Israel. Regardless of your color.
As for “Jewish thinkers bent on undermining and subverting European Christendom”, that is a an inflammatory allegation, painted with a very broad brush. How do you know they wanted to subvert ‘Christendom’? Maybe they really were looking for social justice for the oppressed after 1200 years of European ‘Christendom’s mistreatment and murder of Jews? Have you thought of that?
As well, in this now meritocratic world you will find Jews in highly visible positions at the pinnacles of many fields, be it scientific, economic, or social. You will find them in the most admired, as well as the most detestable realms of endeavor.
When one looks at one’s broad field of enemies, and singles out the Jews amongst them for special consideration, that is an anti-Semite, my fellow American Conservative.
Jewish ears are highly tuned to take offense.
I understand the ethnic and racial variety of Jews in Israel and elsewhere. “who have all the same rights” Nice try. Im too informed for that one. I do not begrudge Jews cultural and political dominion in Israel. It would be nice if Jews would not begrudge European Christians cultural and political dominion in their majority population countries. Both of course being extremely open and liberal, compared to the rest of the planet, even given that dominion.
“How do you know they wanted to subvert ‘Christendom’? Maybe they really were looking for social justice for the oppressed after 1200 years of European ‘Christendom’s mistreatment and murder of Jews? Have you thought of that?”
Well, I actually ascribe to them higher intellectual propriety, than to assert that they were driven by “It’s payback time.” But to question the purpose of these writers as subverting and undermining European Christendom and their societies power structure which upholds it…is just ludicrous. Pick up a book and read what their clearly stated purpose was. Hitler’s Final Solution and war of territorial expansion, was rooted in social justice as he saw it. So was much of what Europeans did to others around this globe, hanging people for killing the wives of the deceased, stamping out canibalism, converting people to Christianity, and educating them. For example the Australians putting Abos in boarding schools was rooted in social justice, but the purpose was to subvert the transmission of Abo culture to their children.
“As well, in this now meritocratic world you will find Jews in highly visible positions at the pinnacles of many fields, be it scientific, economic, or social. You will find them in the most admired, as well as the most detestable realms of endeavor.”
Indeed, but lets not pretend their is no nepotism in American Jewry, but that is merely a quibble. I dont begrudge Jews their success, which stems not from innate ability (high cognitive ability on average) but their cultural values as well which include an emphasis on high education attainment. We can see that Jews are prominent Conservatives now, the Neo Cons (which I admire) are formidable and I am very appreciative of their contributions.
“When one looks at one’s broad field of enemies, and singles out the Jews amongst them for special consideration, that is an anti-Semite, my fellow American Conservative.”
Indeed. Good thing I dont do that.
I will continue to be very critical of the landslide majority of American Jewry’s political contributions…amongst other things. Deal with it.
Sorry, but you do. Deal with it.
that should be…
not just from their innate cognitive ability…but also
I am dealing with it.
Your vilification of Jews, and not just American ones, but European ones of the recent past, and your accusing the latter of malicious motives – not specifically as individuals, but as a group, as a ‘they’, does cross a line.
WHy is seeking social justice ‘payback’, when the ystem against which it is being sought was unjust in the extreme?
You have the nerve (or is it deranged perspective) to compare a few socialist or marxist theoreticians sitting in a German university to Hitler, by stating thaqt you can view it as ‘they both meant well, but look what happened’?
What happened as a result of the “Jewish thinkers”? Privilege was lost among the descendants of the feudal elite to some small extent? Minimal rights were extended to some downtrodden? Monarchies were replaced with constitutional monarchies or republics?
You want to compare that to WW2? Did Hitler mean well? Did he have the well being of ALL humanity at heart?
Weird.
“WHy is seeking social justice ‘payback’, when the ystem against which it is being sought was unjust in the extreme?”
This is the exact same line being used by the Arab Muslims in Israel. Hopefully Israel will open more and more Jews eyes to the double standards that they hold European Christian nations to.
And The Frankfurt School deserves to be villified….just like those that seek to subvert and undermine Israeli Jewish society, culture, and nation state.
What happened as a result of the Left’s attack on the Jewish State of Israel? Privelege was lost amongst the Jewish Supremacists, minimal rights were extended to the downtrodden Arab Christians and Muslims, Jewish Supremacist Power Structure was removed and replaced with real representative non-supremacist liberal democracy, where their was no discrimination in immigration based upon religion or race?
These are the same attacks being waged on Israel right now by the Left. You seem to think that they are legitimate and praiseworthy, and not based on demonization of a group of people and their culture (in one case the European Christians in the other Israeli Jews). As I said, enjoy! In fact criticism of people that criticize Israel is villification of them as a group, like Arabs or Muslims.
See how easy it is to play your game here.
You dont enjoy it, and I dont enjoy it, when its done to me and mine. So please stop doing it.
I agree the Hitler reference was over the top and out of line, bordering on Jew baiting and Anti Semitic tropes.
Israel the nation and Israel the state are not the same thing. Universities in the West ought to be held to a far higher standard than Palestinians. Like it or not, the future leaders come from universities.
OK, I think I’ve remained silent long enough. This EscapeVelocity commenter has some serious sociopathy-management problems.
Are a lot of foolish American Jews acting self-destructively? Check, got it.
I don’t buy the premise that the less than 2% of Americans we constitute somehow manage to control the 98%+ of non-Jewish Americans.
If Jews are managing to infuriate any of you so much, please refrain from giving your kids polio vaccinations, OK? And, as they say, STFU.
I’d be grateful if the PJM moderator would review EscapeVelocity’s comments with a view to questioning his/her continued destructive participation in this forum.
Thank you. I thought modern conservatives were supposed to be a replacement for what used to be called liberals – people who look at people without regard to their “group”, people who hate all sorts of bigotry and prejudice. People like Rush and Beck.
There are too many commenters who damn all Jews or blacks with the same brush because they don’t vote the way they (or I) want them to. This is unamerican. Goerge Washington would be ashamed of you, as would Reagan.
Hey, how about Episcopalians. Bush I was one. Do you know that there are fewer of them than Jews? And their Churches are fanatically leftist. How come to Episcopalean conspiracy theories?
There are Jews which damn all Muslims and Arabs, just because the vast majority of them are politically hostile to Jews and Israel. Israeli Jews even dissallow/severely limit their immigration to Israel, the xenophobic bigots.
You do understand what you sound like, right?
I don’t buy the premise that the less than 2% of Americans we constitute somehow manage to control the 98%+ of non-Jewish Americans. — Surak
Good thing I didnt assert that.
OK, just another bit of information: Read the Al-Quran – I did and I’m Jewish…
It’s a book about a religion that (a)was created around the year 600 A.D. therefore about 5172 years after we were given the 10 commandments and 600 years after the birth of Christianism; (b) how many people witnessed and could have given proof of its authenticity? (c)it seems as if it was composed of parts taken from both holy books; (d) I don’t deny nor admonish the Muslims to believe and/or follow it but I DO INDEED REFUSE TO LET THEM INTERFERE IN MY (OUR) BELIEFS! (e) one out of each three dogmas preaches that the unbelievers
-i.e. people of other faiths- MUST FORCIBLY either be converted to Islam or eliminated, i.e. killed. So what else could one expect from such a race? Palestine is fiction, it never existed, it was invented by the Turks during the Ottoman Empire then inherited by the British under their Mandate. The only arabs in that land were about 400.000 nomads, bedouins, goat and camel-herders, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem -Husseini- in 1947 asked these to leave the land so that 6 SIX Arab countries could go in unhindered to kill all the Jews or throw them into the sea! They lost and we took back what is rightfully ours. The arabs were offered 6 times a partition, they always refused and they always lost their wars against us. So the only thing they must do now is shut up and thank their god for the land they got out of extortion and threats, in exchange for which they keep on attacking, killing, destroying. They don’t even respect their own women, they use their children as shields, their schools teach these children hatred. We are a population of about 18 million, they are about 1 billion 300 million, OUR COUNTRY represents about 0.02% of all the land under their rule; so what is their real intention if not another genocide in the same lines as Turkey with the Armenians – remember? Islam against Christianism? No, their (arab) arguments don’t stick, it’s only b.s. and they try to make the rest of the world believe it’s not. The hell with them, let them go and play with themselves.
OK, just another bit of information: Read the Al-Quran – I did and I’m Jewish…
It’s a book about a religion that (a)was created around the year 600 A.D. therefore about 5172 years after we were given the 10 commandments and 600 years after the birth of Christianism; (b) how many people witnessed and could have given proof of its authenticity? (c)it seems as if it was composed of parts taken from both holy books; (d) I don’t deny nor admonish the Muslims to believe and/or follow it but I DO INDEED REFUSE TO LET THEM INTERFERE IN MY (OUR) BELIEFS! (e) one out of each three dogmas preaches that the unbelievers
-i.e. people of other faiths- MUST FORCIBLY either be converted to Islams or eliminated, i.e. killed. So what else could one expect from such a race? Palestine is fiction, it never existed, it was invented by the Turks during the Ottoman Empire then inherited by the British under their Mandate. The only arabs inn that land were about 400.000 nomads, Bedouins, goat and camel-herders, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem -Husseini- in 1947 asked these to leave the land so that 6 SIX Arab countries could go in unhindered to kill all the Jews or throw them into the sea! They lost and we took back what is rightfully ours. The arabs were offered 6 times a partition, they always refused and they always lost their wars against us. So the only thing they must do now is shut up and thank their god for the land they got out of extortion and threats, in exchange for which they keep on attacking, killing, destroying. They don’t even respect their own women, they use their children as shields, their schools teach these children hatred. We are a population of about 18 million, they are about 1 billion 300 million, OUR COUNTRY represents about 0.02% of all the land under their rule; so what is their real intention if not another genocide in the same lines as Turkey with the Armenians – remember? Islam against Christianity.
The problem with Jews on college campuses is that their liberalism is more important than their survival as a group. I remember a lecture in the 80′s regarding holocaust denial ads that were printed in many college newspapers.. He told me that these ads were more likely to get published when there are Jews on the editorial boards! Why will Jews not take a page from the gay groups or the black groups that fight hatred against their particular group with all their might? These colleges seem to love taking money from Jewish philanthropists and alumni. Why won’t these people just close their checkbooks to these colleges? As a Jew I fear my own people will pave the way for another Holocaust through their inaction and at times active promotion of that which is detrimental to their survival! Are the Jewish people awake anymore? Does never again only apply when the perpetrator is white, but an anti-Semite of color is somehow oppressed and therefore justified in his hate? It is sad that the Jewish people aid and abet the very cultural Marxism that is consuming their children. No one can sell a Jew down the river better and faster than another Jew. Does it bother these oh-so-progressive Jews that the liberal college campus of today is becoming as intolerant of Jews as a German university in the 30′s?
What we need is to ban all student visas from the Middle East, excepting religious monorities (Christians, Jews, certain small Muslim sects, etc.) who need them as a first step to reliigous asylum.
Just because the vast majority of Arab Muslims are hostile to Euro Christians and Jews, doesnt mean that we should discriminate against an individual who seeks to enter our territories because they belong to that group.
I mean we shouldnt even deign to criticize them as a group, even when we make the clarification that it is only the majority of them, not all.
Right?
Looking for a little consistency here. The only consistency I see here by several members is tribalist loyalty.
And for good measure…right back atcha from up the thread.
Stop stereotyping people, that’s what bigots do.
The Jews will always be-you cannot annihilate them. God has His Hand on them as a nation. He said to Abraham: “I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you.” I love and respect the Jews, for reasons they won’t like, except for the reason that they are warm, intelligent and lively people (by and large)-but I mostly love them, because Jesus came from the tribe of Judah-He is the promised Messiah: “A virgin shall bring forth a son and shall be called Immanuel (God with us).” and “Unto us a child is born unto us a son is given and His name shall be called, Wonderful Counsellor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father (clothed in humanity), the Prince of Peace.”Isaiah 7:14 & 9:6.) These prophecies came from Isaiah the prophet.Also: “He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities, surely He has borne our sorrows and by His beatings (stripes) we are healed..” Isaiah 53.These prophecies were made approx. 750BC.
For over a thousand years God had the Jews offering blood sacrifices and once a year a male lamb, firstborn of the flock, without blemish, was offered by the High Priest for the sins of himself and the nation of the Jews. A male, firstborn, without blemish: All this was to symbolise the Jewish Messiah who would be born to a virgin, (He had siblings after Him though), and He alone of all people on earth-throughout mans’ history (in Gods foreknowledge of us all) lived without any sin whatever. He was offered up for the sins of the Jews and the sins of the Gentiles-to whosoever would believe on Him and accept Him and be washed clean by means of that sinless Blood sacrifice. All those temple sacrifices were symbolic of the Messiah who would come and take away the sins of the world. Jesus is “the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world,” as John the Baptist so rightly said.
He will reveal Himself to the Jewish nation at “the time of Jacobs’ Trouble” when He returns to deliver them out of it-it will be a gathering of Israels enemies, prophesied for the end time, in Ezekiel 38.
God will never bd reaffirmed it with King David.reak His covenant with the Jews, because He made it with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, an
CORRECTION: last sentence should read: “God will never break His covenant with the Jews,which He made with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (read Isaiah 54 for confirmation of this), and He later reaffirmed it with King David.
Here is the not so new style Southern Lynch Mob…
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Martak, Israel has begun to send out young ambassadors to American universities to counter the Muslim hate week. I read about it in one of the Israeli online news outlets, JPost, Arutz Sheva, or Ynet is all I read. (Haaretz I only glance at to see what anti-Israel opinions they are putting out this week.) Having spent a lovely month in Israel in 2008 I learned just how different are the majority of Israeli Jews than their American counterparts. Those I met with there were cognizant they are losing the PR battle with the Muslims and want to do everything possible to correct that.
Only last night I attended a CUFI night to honor Israel in St. Petersburg, Florida and am still blown away by how ignorant are so many Americans to the lies and distortions going on daily in the media about Israel and how it treats all her citizens & her enemies as well.
Saturday night, April 28th, is the Celebrate Israel2012 event in St. Petersburg Florida, web site is http://www.celebrateisrael2012.com. American Jews are welcome!
I am a simple man. When I was seventeen (1967) I went to Isreal to see if I could fight in the war. I arrived two days late. I did stay and worked the farm for year before going back to Canada. I saw and learned much that year that made me so very proud to be a JEW. The day I left my adopted father said. Remember my boy! NEVER AGAIN! I never will forget – My hope is that all Jews, everywhere, NEVER – EVER – FORGET – NOT EVER AGAIN!!!
Why must we continue to get commentary about the plight of American Jews on college campuses? Geez. First, how come they are not writing IN about it? Instead we have writers here writing about it. So I question what the hell is the problem?
Second, how many times must we go over the fact that American Jews vote ideology over anything else including safety. So, again, I ask, why are you writing about this issue?
Third, American Jews, no matter, will vote for and support the left and some support the destruction of Israel and are ready to support Islam. So what’s the problem?
And to Old Jew @40, sorry, but your brethren have forgotten.
can’t help but remember, and now that genocidal hatred for Jews has reached a new fever pitch all over again today, a good many Jews are simply afraid to remember. It is too painful, and many fall prey to despair, or to denial, or to other forms of escapism. It’s not good, not good at all. But for you people who are not under such a palpable threat, if you can’t understand it, quit carping and baiting, and shut your mouths instead.
You would think that the majority of American Jewry would denounce instead of continue to support the deligitimization of Eruo-Christian nations as Euro-Christian nations, as they watch the rest of the Western Left turn towards the deligitimization of Israel as a Jewish state…and understand the Anti-Semitic nature of such an endeavor.
But alas…
Then they get all accusatory when Euro Christian Conservatives call them on it.
Euro-Christian Conservatives are Israels staunch supporters, whilst the vast majority of American Jewry continue to plant a knife in Euro-Christian Conservatives backs.
That is just the plain fact of the matter. And if you deign to point this out publicly and confront them on this, you are branded an Anti-Semite.
And so it goes.
is from the Obama crowd, among which some are hard-core lefty Jews, yes, but much of that 78% Jewish vote is made up of dupes and knee-jerk Democratic lever-pullers. When you say a vast majority of Jews are stabbing you in the back, it reeks of you know very well what, and shows you may have a streak of it in your makeup, and other people besides me can smell it also and have said so, too, in these comments, and I’d say, sensitive Jewish ear that I am, it could well be the case.. The trouble is, hardcore lefty Jews like to identify themselves as Jews because that lends greater credence to their nasty remarks about Jews among non-Jewish readers or listeners. This stuff is highly contagious, and maybe you caught some of it yourself, who know. Well, you do, one way or another, and if you want to get rid of it, it’s not that hard to do. Like quitting smoking, you just have to really want to, and you will.
Yes, we need to ostracize Leftists, and actively discriminate against them in our institutions. Conservatives must hire and promote conservatives and actively demote and hobble Leftwingers.
I am also for the re-establishment of Euro-Christian hegemony, the ditching of Multiculturalism and Diversity promotion, but otherwise would not be hostile to minorities that are not hostile to Euro-Christian dominion…basically tolerance in the classic sense, instead of active promotion of hostile “others.” For instance, if I lived in Israel, I wouldnt have my panties in a bunch that schools there said Jewish prayers at school, or celebrated Jewish holidays at government buildings, or had an immigration policy which favored Jews. It is common sense. However, most American Jews arent so amicable.
are not the Jews, your enemies are 1) the Muslim jihadiists and 2) the hardcore Left, who are, both of ‘em, like the fascist Nazi totalitarians were and still are also, all deadly enemies of the Jews, sworn, bloodthirsty enemies of the Jews, ever and always on the hunt, right on up to this very moment, and for however long into the future, we and they breathe, and the Jews who are among them.
who are among them, are also at war with the Jews.
self-hating Jews who are among them, are also at war with the Jews.
the self-hating jews . . .
As a frenchman and a jew , I see from reading the above commentaries that there is a very different perception of the danger in Europe with the USA.Here to state it simply ; jews are under assault verbal, political, physical.Toulouse murders are just the tip of the iceberg , out of 65 millions citizens 8 to 9 millions are of arab-muslim background and their anti-jewish fever is deeply rooted in the coran, in the imam preachers, and also deeply ” upgraded ” by the thousands of leftists ( frenchmen in their background ) who are very eager to erase their collective guilt feeling ( shoah ) by helping to stage another similar event with the destruction of Israel.30 years ago we french jews had only as opponent the communist left and I do remember many physical battles on various universities campuses where the Betar swiftly routed the leftists.Now it would impossible because the campuses are flooded with thousands of french arab background thugs. The same situation applies also in elementary schools.Bullying, intimidation, catcalls, brutality and above all the INDIFFERENCE of the teachers.Therefore 20,000 jewish pupils are studying in catholic private schools .That’s almost a third of those 60,000 jewish kids of elemntary school age ( 6 to 12 ).So you american jews should start to understand that the front line is Israel and immediately behind it’s in Europe that the hate is the daily experience.And the hate is day-by-day carefully kept high by the french medias who are eager to brand Israel with devilish , defamatory observations.Actually we are under a double threat, at the local , street level physical abuse , attacks, and at the general level, defamation thanks to the overall negative feeling kept by the left alliance with the arab-muslim countries and by the right indifference ( we don’t care, we have other burning issues etc..).
The ultimate irony Phillipe is that American Jews have aligned themselves with the Anti-Euro Christian Left in the US, and are more concerned about Christmas Tree displays at government buildings. Then they dont understand why many Euro-Christians dont like them. They are such wonderful people dont you know, looking out for the rights and interests of minorities. Then the Euro-Left turns that same mindset on Israel, and its rightly perceived as Anti-Semitism. Most American Jewry either cant put 2 and 2 together and realize their Anti-Euro Christianism or else dont care and are all in on tribalism.
They better start thinking about their well being, because Islam is going to be the 800 lb gorilla that broke the camels back. Then the question will be, which minorities have been hostile to Euro-Christians, and Jews will rightly be perceived as amongst the coalition of enemies.
I dont want to see this happen, but it doesnt look like American Jewry cares. Of course they will not see their own contribution to this, and will merely tribally point the finger at the evil monsters (Euro Christians). See we always knew you were Nazis, that is why we suppurted your demonization and deligitimization, subversion and disempowerment.
But alas…
Hopefully more and more Jews can be brought to see sense on this matter, via their understanding of and support for Israel as a Jewish State….the Left’s deligimization of it, demnozation of it as a supremacist oppressor culture/state, etc….which they dont like and rightly condemn. But its obviously going to be a hard slog…to get them to see that the majority of Amercian Jewry, treats the Euro-Christian states exactly like the Left is treating Israel. Many no doubt will remain blinded by tribalist wagon circling.
If they quit pissing off Euro-Christians in such a manner, then they gain many more and stronger supporter and allies amongst Euro-Christian Nationalists who face the same existential threat, Islam and Muslims.
It’s true that the people you call “Euro-Christians” and “Euro-Christian Nationalists,” with whom you identify, are a
greatly diminished and gradually shrinking population in Europe, in particular those of them who go to church or
otherwise identify themselves today as believing or practicing Christians; while the vast majority of Euro-Christians
have abandoned a religious Christian identity, and to a significant degree, national identity. altogether.
In these Euro-Christian transformations, Jews have had no part or presence.
The foolish 78% pro-Obama Jewish vote, a tiny American minority, didn’t tip the election, and besides, Obama’s as harmful for Jews as he is for Christians. The Jewish 22% who knew better, we have our hands full with those 78%, not to mention deadly enemies out to destroy us, without your nasty carping and moaning.
“Jews have had no part or presence.” – Ah contraire, Jews for example were in the coalition that opposed Christian expression in the instittuions. School prayer for example. They pushed for Multiculturalism, which rolled back Euro-Christian cultural expression in the institutions and public sphere. Intellectual assaults on Christianity have also been led by Jews and Atheist Jews…besides the support they have given Cultural Marxism.
Im sorry you have your problems. That doesnt mean the Euro-Christian cant recognize the nasty enemy that the vast majority of Jews amongst them have made themselves. Even at 2% of the population. Coalitions of minorities add up, and form political threats with self hating Euro-Christian Leftists. 3 Jews sit on the US Supreme Court, unfortunately for us that isnt 2%.
I could go on.
That isnt to say that Jews are all powerful, they are not.
But that doesnt change the fact that the vast majority of American Jewry are no friend of the Euro-Christian and most are downright hostile. But if you treat Jews accordingly by not hiring them, not promoting them, limiting their immigration, you are an intolerant bigot. Just like Israeli Jews that treat Arab Muslim accordingly.
But alas…its arseholes like me that are the real problem, am I right? Just like the Left sees Jewish arseholes who are looking out for their own interests against hostile “others” as the problem in Israel.
Europe, in Europe, in Europe, Euro-Christians, Euro-Christians . . .
Jews are responsible for your declining birthrates and empty churches there?
You Euro-Christians haven’t got minds of your own, you poor things?
You allowed Jewish atheists to destroy your religious beliefs? Pathetic.
Don’t Christians atheists ever assault and bash Christianity on their own?
You’re sorry we have problems? Okay, thank you. Are we out to kill you?
Did we nasty Jews make you scapegoats for our problems?
Euro-Christians are hostile to Jews over there, aren’t they?
Even though there are hardly any of us, there.
The Muslims are taking all of you Euro-Christians over, over there.
Israel’s your only hope, you dope.
Im just telling you that the Lefts assault on Israel and Zionist Jews is the exact same as the Lefts assault on Euro Christian nations and peoples….of which American Jewry overwhelmingly support that assault.
We certainly have our own problems. Instead of standing up to minority hostility, we have buckled from guilt. The ironic thing is that the Islamic and Third World immigration is severely negatively impacting Jews now, where they were the beneficiaries of this in the past. They sowed the wind, and are now reaping the whirlwind.
Hopefully, Euro Christians can regain their mojo and choose life and cultural going concern and reject this foolish Multiculturalism and self abasement to all “others”, diversity promotion and regain their cultural confidence and reassert themselves in the near future….even as the ADL (and the minority Identity Politics Industry shrieks to high Heaven about White Supremacy, Racists, Christian Theocracy, and so on and so forth.
I personally cant wait for this to happen.
BTW, Im a staunch supporter of Israel, for many varied reasons.
You can dance around and cheer Euro-Christian destruction, all you want too…you wont be the first Jew, or the last to do so. Just dont think that people dont notice.
Just to make it perfectly clear to you. I dont blame Jews for all Euro-Christian problems, but I will fully hold them to account for their hostility and hostile actions, and political and intellectual support for the Left, minority Identity Politics, etc. They in large part have been extremely hostile to Euro-Christendom.
Now, maybe you say, who can blame them. Well be that as it may, that doesnt change the fact that the vast majority of them are hostiles to me and mine. Wish it werent so, but you deal with the reality as it is, not with what you wish it to be.
Philippe, you bring up an interesting point when you mentioned many Jewish children attend Catholic schools. It’s no accident that those great cathedrals you have in France resemble enormous arks or ships. Those beautiful buildings represent safe havens for the lost, the hungry and unwanted. Jewish people and Catholics always seem to be persecuted at about the same time.Many people have forgotten or never knew that millions of Catholics died in concentration camps, and were tortured and starved in the Ukraine and Russia, etc. Here in America we’re witnessing countless acts of vandalism to our churches, and many deliberate political moves to weaken and diminish the Church’s authority and ability to carry on the enormous charitable organizations that have been in place for many years. I just wanted to tell you Philippe that you will always find support and love from your Catholic brethren. I confess I’m often disappointed that I never read anything that exposes the anti-Catholic bigotry that is rapidly increasing under the current administration on this web site. Bigotry is always an evil, and I’m sorry for all the prejudice you’re encountering, but remember that Catholics in Africa, the middle East, China and S.E.Asia are actually having their churches burnt and losing their lives. Just check out the web site Jihad Watch.Peace be with you!
Would you consider it anti-German if a Jewish University-based group placed faux eviction notices for Hitler, Goering, and other Nazi leaders on student dorms in the 30′s and 40′s. If some students of German descent participated, would it be “self-hatred” on their part? No–of course not.
Protesting the Zionazi genocide of the Palestinians has nothing to do with anti-Semitism and everything to do with compassion and social justice. The problem is not “the Jews” because of their ethnicity but the genocidal ideology of Zionazism and the American war capitalism of Lockheed, General Dynamics, etc. that sustains it.
Israel, unlike America has a tradition of compassion–not just hate and greed. Israel is the land of the Kibbutzim, one of the world’s most successful experiments in compassion that was not brutally crushed, like so many others, by the armies of corporate greed. If the Israeli people would tell the American military machine to go to Hell and embrace the values of the Kibbutzim, Israelis and Palestinians could live together in peace.
This clown is like the opposite of the Ron Paul supporter whom believes that if America just quit giving aid to the evil warmongering Israeli Jewish Zionazi’s state and distance ourselves from them, then the Arabs and Muslims will love us.
What a hoot!
Some seriously bad acid was dropped at Zuccati Park. I’m sure they got up in the morning at General Dynamics and wondered how they could destroy a small collective community that no one ever heard of. Is that what they taught you in Marxism class in the tent next to the communal bucket?
I guess your yobbin is throbbin’ because your mama dropped you on it one too many times as a baby.
“The Zionazi genocide of the Palestinians”; well, I must have slept through that. The fact that the Palestinian Arab population has tripled, if not quadrupled, in the occupied territories since 1948 suggests that this was the most inept “genocide” in history.
History lesson: Israel EXISTS because of ZIONISM. If you are anti-Zionist, you are anti-Israel. Only about 10 percent of Israelis lived on kibbutzes even at their height. Quite a lot of them were attacked by Arabs, who presumably were not inspired to imitate their peaceful live-and-let-live ways. I doubt very much that your vision of Jews and Arabs all singing kumbaya/Shalom/Salaam around a kibbutz campfire is ever going to come to fruition except in your history-challenged dreams.
This statement from Gantz should go out to all you far right wackos and far left sickos,
No more words need to be said, Ever.
“long struggle of the Jewish people for security, prior to the Shoah; the Jew-hatred and blood libels, the racist laws, pogroms and inquisitions.
“The richest vocabulary cannot describe the scope of the horrors committed. We, the commanders of the IDF, are obliged to remember these atrocities in order to gain the power to deal with today’s challenges. This place and its mission is a never-ending fountain from which we draw our enormous strengths,”
Israel needs to come out and say unequivocally, there is a 100% possibility we will destroy the mullahs nuke sites one way or another. Period”. So when the world does nothing to stop the mullahs from building nukes and Israel does, all jews around the world pretty much need to take a month off or so and stay home. DO NOT SEND YOUR CHILDREN TO SCHOOL! A month or so off from school is not the end of the world. The fascist Islamic Nazis will target the children first most likely.
..and yet soooooo many Jews vote for the very liberals that these Universities hire and produce. Help me with that one. Jews in the USA overwhelmingly vote democratic.
You should follow the Israeli press: many Israelis are of accord with the US Left.
I love how silly Jews are about the settlement issue. N-Boy goes on about how Israel won’t go back to the 1967 borders, being indefensible. The current borders are too, if you look.
German Jews in the 30s believe that if they only minded their manners, then everything would be OK. Not so, not so at all.
If life is your highest value, there is nothing you won’t betray.
*still eating popcorn after 2 days on this thread
fwiw:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203440104574402591116901498.html
for those who havent seen yet
The Podhoretz article and book is good, expanding upon it though Commentary Magazine’s Symposium on the question…
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/why-are-jews-liberals%e2%80%94a-symposium/
I recommend Wolpe’s, Sarna’s, and Medved’s contributions for insights.
As if on que, an article over at AT describes the ADL and its association with Islam. Perfect.
And again I ask what is the problem vis a vis American Jews and the left turning against them???
On numerous occasions I’ve attempted to start a dialog with my Muslim brethren to no avail.
I wasn’t able to dive deep enough so as to be as their level of intellect.
I was no Jacques Cousteau.
Don’t get me wrong, there are many, many good Muslims out there, but the “Problem” is they keep silent, kind of afraid
to speak up, to avoid reprisal from fellow Muslims.
Sallam Alechum
rest assured that what is portayed by the statist scribes(nu-castratti lackeys)is very different than the reality we american adults know.
(1)americans pilgramaging to lexington,massachusetts,from various regions of the u.s.this last patriots day would plesently shock many who lack the passion,skill,or hope of salvaging our union(u.s).
(2)we are’nt suffering our own fools any longer(they’re crying them selves to sleep).
(3)our friends are our friends(israel).
(4)our code is not”the enemy of my enemy”-blah-blah…..
(5)our code is “a friend of a friend is a friend”(the adults are home now).
(6)trust but verify(means testing for friendship?)…..
Go to American Spector’s website.
There type in search, “Stella Paul”
She has the best articles on this suject I have read.
She is a great writer also.
Well worth the time to ck out her articles.
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Sorry, made a mistake.
Stella is at American Thinker.
There, type in search, “Stella Paul”
She has the best articles on this suject I have read.
She is a great writer also.
Well worth the time to ck out her articles.
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June 2, 2011
Bashing Israel on Campus, from California to New York
By Stella Paul
Pop the champagne! It’s party time at the City University of New York (CUNY) for Israel-loathing professors. For years, they’ve gazed enviously at California, where academic anti-Semites can demonize and harass Jewish students to their hearts’ content, all at taxpayers’ expense. But why should California have all the fun?
And so, on Friday, June 3, CUNY will kick off its own Israel-bashing bacchanal by giving Tony Kushner an honorary degree. In case you missed the Kushner kerfuffle, he’s the playwright of Angels in America who’s obsessed with Devils in Israel, a country he views as so monstrously evil, it’s worse than Sarah Palin.
Basically, when you look up “crazy, far-left Jew” in the dictionary, you’ll find Kushner comes after Noam Chomsky and Norm Finkelstein, but before Howard Zinn.
According to Kushner, Israel is guilty of being a Nazi state that commits “ethnic cleansing”; its supporters are “repulsive”; its founding was a “moral calamity”; and it deserves boycotts, divestments, and sanctions. And that’s what he says when he’s being nice! But if you think the big story here is CUNY anointing Kushner with an honor, think again.
The real hot news is that New York’s elites raced to destroy CUNY Trustee Jeffrey Wiesenfeld, the brave and principled individual who dared to object to giving Kushner an award. Not too impressed with Wiesenfeld’s right of free speech, the New York Times thundered that he should be forced off the CUNY Board; so did CUNY’s Faculty Union, ex-Mayor Ed Koch, and CAIR.
Wiesenfeld, the philanthropic son of two Holocaust survivors, was called a fascist, bigot, hatemonger, and, of course, that favorite leftie slur, McCarthyite. How dare he deviate from the Politically Correct Canon, in which Israel always plays the villain and her attackers are cast as sexy saints?
So what can New Yorkers expect now that its Ruling Class has decreed that demonizing Israel is a protected racket and defending Israel is a moral crime?
In a word, California. Armed with free tax money and Saudi money with strings, a cadre of tenured anti-Semites have long made the University of California their carnival of crazy.
Professors harangue and mock Jewish students in class, and give them bad grades for presenting a diverse view of the Middle East conflict. Academic departments sponsor endless “seminars” that vilify Israel as an illegitimate, genocidal state, while shutting down pro-Israel speakers.
Professors assign outrageous anti-Israel propaganda in classes ranging from remedial writing to women’s studies to environmental science, and never expose students to other viewpoints. After all, students can’t be trusted to form their own opinions!
Even worse, on the most degraded UC campuses like Berkeley, Irvine, and Santa Cruz, an atmosphere of anti-Semitic intimidation and violence flourishes. Jewish girls are followed to their cars by Muslim activists, and called “whores” and “baby killers.” Jewish boys are shoved, spit on, and physically attacked.
Muslim students dress up as Israeli soldiers, complete with fake guns, and set up “checkpoints” where they harass passersby to illustrate Israeli “brutality.” And when the Israeli Consul or Ambassador gives a speech, riots break out, coordinated by activist groups like the Muslim Student Association (MSA) and Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP), which are shielded by political correctness and funded by taxpayers.
See for yourself in this brief video from hostilecampus.org.
Watch the look in the Jewish girls’ eyes. Experience the vile hate speech and poisonous theatrics. And listen carefully to Daniel Pearl’s father, Professor Judea Pearl, describe the fear that even the faculty feels.
In March, Jessica Felber, a twenty-year-old student at UC Berkeley, filed a federal lawsuit against UC’s Regents, accusing them of failing to protect her civil rights as a Jew. Felber was holding a sign saying “Israel Wants Peace,” when the head of Students for Justice in Palestine rammed her with a shopping cart, requiring her to get medical care. Her assailant was a known provocateur who’d been implicated in other assaults, without disciplinary repercussions.
So does this ugly and dangerous future await students in New York? Will the greatest Jewish city outside of Israel allow its public university to sink into a cesspool of academic dishonesty, corruption, and anti-Semitism?
Not without a fight. Thankfully, Jewish pride and academic integrity are not dead yet. Scholars for Peace in the Middle East, representing 55,000 academics, wrote a letter to CUNY’s Trustees, deploring Kushner’s award and defending Jeffrey Weisenfeld. The Jewish Community Relations Council of New York also supported Weisenfeld, stating that efforts to force him from the Board were “unacceptable.”
And, this Friday, June 3, at 10 AM, a grassroots coalition of pro-Israel activists will be on hand at the Javits Center, to protest loud and clear when Kushner gets his degree. Break out the bubbly! Standing up for sanity is truly something to celebrate.
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Just so you know, a tally is running, Israel isn’t the only country with lots of Jews. The situation is being monitored. I smell a nice reparations settlement from a rather large lawsuit that will make many an attorney lots of money. As for Jessica, you’ll have to excuse some people, they have no civility and probably a pretty bad upbringing with no decency. Those who have G-d in them tend to behave better, I don’t think I’ve ever seen (with my own eyes) one Jew strike anyone, just so you see where the violence comes from.