Just eliminate “non” from the above sentence and “markus” would be telling the truth for a change. He has proven over and over again in these that he is a sweaty, fanatic, compulsive antisemite. He compares Israel to Nazi Germany. He is a liar, fraud and ignoramus.

So what determines the borders you want? I think the UN is for shit, but in deference to those who still look to it for any authority in “international law,” UN 242 says that the final borders are to be decided through negotiations and Israel has the right to secure defensible borders. So far there has been no one to negotiate with who both has the authority to, and who is willing to state in Arabic that Israel has the right to exist at all. And the 67 borders are not defensible, especially since Hamas is an arm of Iran. So far I see no solution. If the WB continues to thrive perhaps its people will demand a peaceful lawful govt which could negotiate in good faith – we’ll see.

I dismiss out of hand any solution which sets the borders by fiat. The larger borders WERE set by secular temporal bodies after WWII, regardless whether anyone thinks they coincide with those “ordained by God.” I am curious what you base yours on – the 67 war? Why?

My history was selective for two reasons. I did not intend to type an entire book here (I like getting paid for that amount of work), and what I typed was designed to get enough history out for the two of you to chew on – particularly you.

I suggest you look at Rebecca’s comment carefully – especially if you are a Jew. The question is not what you think (or don’t think) of G-d. The question is what He thinks of you. Whether you believe or not is irrelevant. If you act against the Jewish people, or to be more precise, the Children of Israel, in dividing the land and handing it over to foreigners to rule, you will be judged severely. It is not your land to do with as you wish. It is His.

Further, as for me, I did not suggest expelling Arabs from the country, though I did imply the possibility as a norm in the way history operates. At the moment, I do not believe a program of expulsions – either of Arabs or Jews – will succeed. If peace can be made without such expulsions, then I will pursue it, with or without the authority of the thieves on Government Hill in Jerusalem.

As to your last paragraph, the real question is not what America thinks, but what we do. If we bow to the dark prince of the setting sun, Obama, we are doomed. Netanyahu is taking the country on that path. If you seriously think the warlords we have empowered to rule over the Arabs will make any kind of peace with us – el-FataH and Hamas – you are seriously deluded. Peace with them is out of the question. But peace with my Arab neighbors is always a possibility.

And now I must leave you to catch a bus to J-lem to do Shabbat shopping. They don’t run that often out here.

Good day,
Ruvy

The interesting thing is that myself and J Street share with you and Progressoverpeace the commitment to a Jewish state having as few non-Jewish citizens as possible. We only disagree where those boundaries should be. You and Progress want a state with large boundaries, ordained by a “G-d” that most Jews don’t even believe in, which would require millions of Arabs to be violently uprooted. I want a smaller state that would require little or no Arab uprooting. (And I would note that a smaller state corresponds to the reality that most Jews worldwide prefer to live in countries other than Israel.)

The only way I could be persuaded that your view is better is if you could show me that it would LESSEN Arab hostility toward the Jewish national state and its North American ally, rather than inflame it ten-fold. Somehow, though, I don’t think you really care what those Gazan pigs think of you, or of the Jewish people. You believe that being despised by goyim is inevitable, and the only question is whether or not you will be victims.

This guy is attracted to anything Jewish like the circling green flies to a heap of animal dung. Watch when he starts the RACIST mantra, the vulgar, crass slandering of other posters by calling them “idiots”, “dumb-asses”, etc. Unless one belongs to the “R:96,G:57,B:17″ skin tone one will be berated along with the “Pesky Jews” mercilessly while spitting foam from his drooling mouth.

He became an Antisemitic gadfly bashing every Israeli post yet cannot distancing himself from these posts.

There is a difference between the Palestinians ejected from Kuwait, who had been guests of Kuwaiti government and were being punished for Arafat’s support of Saadam Hussein; and the Palestinians of the West Bank, a conquered people being punished for their violent resistance against occupation, and because they happen to stationed on land that “god” gave to “moses”

I will agree that the expulsion of Jews from Arab lands –in response to the expulsion of Arabs from the new state of Israel — certainly was an injustice, especially since many of those Mizrahi Jews had no interest whatsoever in joining the Ashkenazi migration into Palestine and living as second class citizens in a Zionist state.

The difference between you and me is that you want to use such prior injustices against the Jews as an EXCUSE to perpetuate similar injustices against non-Jews, and I find such an effort to be odious, especially when a Jewish state can be secured without such cold-blooded actions.

That is all useless. More to the point, there is no Arab involved in the conversation, and Arabs, like Arabs in Hevrón, for example, as well as Jews there, are the subject of this argument.

Let’s get some history out there, so folks know what is being talked about.

The Palestine Mandate was based in international law; the Resolutions on Palestine adopted in San Remo on 24-25 April 1920. Originally they were to be part of the Treaty of Sèvres, that was to determine the borders of Turkey and the land seized from it, but the Treaty of Sèvres was never adopted. But the Resolutions were adopted by the League of Nations in 1923. The territory called “Palestine” in the original resolutions included Jordan and parts of the Golan Heights. In addition, the Jewish People and its successor National Home was to be the sole sovereign over all the territory known as “Palestine”.

In 1922, however, the British severed the territory east of the Jordan River, placing an Arab administrator over it “temporarily” and closing off the territory to Jewish settlement. They had earlier agreed to the line near the Kinneret as the border between Syria-Lebanon and Palestine. Thus when the League finally formalized the territory, 78% of it had been broken off and was no longer open to Jewish settlement. This 78% was to become the Emirate of the Transjordan, and later, in 1946, the Kingdom of Transjordan. The “administrator”, later the emir, and finally the king, was Abdallah, the great-grandfather of the present king of Jordan.

If this was all that had to be explained that would be simple. The other point that needs to be made clear is that the British, charged with developing a Jewish State here, didn’t want to do so. They wanted an Arab state. So, they did everything they could to pervert the meaning of the Balfour Resolution, and the Charter of the Mandate. They closed off section after section of the Mandate to Jewish settlement on the flimsiest of excuses, and on the same evening that the Nazis were running their pogrom against Jews known as Kristallnacht, in November of 1938, they unveiled a White Paper that would allow a total of 75,000 Jews to enter the Mandate from 1939 through 1944, and then Jewish immigration would be closed off. There would be no Jewish State in the Land of Israel, only an Arab one – so the Brits thought.

During this same time period the British built up this Gazan pig, Amin el-Husseini, promoting him to be “Grand Mufti” in Jerusalem, and from this post he fomented riots and rebellion continually, trying to kill off Jews. The Massacre in Hevron was his handiwork. This Gazan pig ran off to Berlin to be with the fellow he really admired, Hitler, and upon hearing that Hitler was deporting Jews to the Mandate for execution begged that Hitler kill them instead in Europe – talk about Not In My Back Yard!! – thus it was that Auschwitz became not a slave labor camp but a center for the murder of Jews.

After the Germans were defeated, the British kept the doors of the Mandate closed to Jews – and Jewish terrorists determnined to drive the British out once and for all. They succeeded. But the British had their vengeance. In addition to turning every fortress over to Arabs in the Mandate, they trained the Arab Legion, the army of the Kingdom of Transjordan, and it invaded and defeated the IDF, retaining the Old City of Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria until 1967.

I’m going to stop here and let Progressoverpeace carry on, and rub Markus’ nose in the history of the region.

This reminds me of a certain little German man with an odd mustache who’s quite a hot topic in these spaces.

You mean the guy that the “pals” were aligned with in WWII? The guy who the Grand Mufti was a guest of during the war? That guy?