<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s the Personal Liberty, Stupid</title>
	<atom:link href="http://pjmedia.com/blog/its-the-personal-liberty-stupid/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/its-the-personal-liberty-stupid/</link>
	<description></description>
	<lastBuildDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:41:01 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: dck</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/its-the-personal-liberty-stupid/#comment-384922</link>
		<dc:creator>dck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=64983#comment-384922</guid>
		<description>#109 Micha Elyi

True, term limits by themselves are not a solution, since the Parties will just plug in some wholly-controlled human asset to do their bidding for one term. The PARTY will thus retain control of the seat, not the individual politician. Back to square one.   

That&#039;s why we need other systemic reforms to work with term limits.  Like reigning in the parties, reaffirmation of the 10th Amendment, correcting abuses of the power of the purse: ending their freedom to print, borrow, or steal any money they want.  Some of these reforms I listed, and some I did not.

There are people in this country, on our side, who are knowledgeable enough to figure out a way to do this safely and effectively.  

Professional politicians plot, scheme, reshape, and scam the System--they know it better than we do and they&#039;ve been at it for decades.  It will not be an easy fight. There is no single Magic Bullet that will fix this problem, you are right.  

The solution will come in the form of a mix of very power measures--like a cocktail of anti-cancer drugs--working together to make it impossible for a professional political class to establish itself and prosper.  

Then we&#039;ll have a Citizen Legislature.  No guarantees,I&#039;m afraid, but I&#039;d rather have a Tea Party Mom making up the U.S. budget than a land swindler with a no-limit credit card. 

To quote a Russian policeman in Moscow in 1990, asked by CNN what the fall of the Soviet Union meant to him: &quot;Nadyezhda yaest&quot;---There is hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#109 Micha Elyi</p>
<p>True, term limits by themselves are not a solution, since the Parties will just plug in some wholly-controlled human asset to do their bidding for one term. The PARTY will thus retain control of the seat, not the individual politician. Back to square one.   </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why we need other systemic reforms to work with term limits.  Like reigning in the parties, reaffirmation of the 10th Amendment, correcting abuses of the power of the purse: ending their freedom to print, borrow, or steal any money they want.  Some of these reforms I listed, and some I did not.</p>
<p>There are people in this country, on our side, who are knowledgeable enough to figure out a way to do this safely and effectively.  </p>
<p>Professional politicians plot, scheme, reshape, and scam the System&#8211;they know it better than we do and they&#8217;ve been at it for decades.  It will not be an easy fight. There is no single Magic Bullet that will fix this problem, you are right.  </p>
<p>The solution will come in the form of a mix of very power measures&#8211;like a cocktail of anti-cancer drugs&#8211;working together to make it impossible for a professional political class to establish itself and prosper.  </p>
<p>Then we&#8217;ll have a Citizen Legislature.  No guarantees,I&#8217;m afraid, but I&#8217;d rather have a Tea Party Mom making up the U.S. budget than a land swindler with a no-limit credit card. </p>
<p>To quote a Russian policeman in Moscow in 1990, asked by CNN what the fall of the Soviet Union meant to him: &#8220;Nadyezhda yaest&#8221;&#8212;There is hope.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/its-the-personal-liberty-stupid/#comment-384779</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=64983#comment-384779</guid>
		<description>Rome fell from internal corruption, living large and not paying attention to details. Rome was paying massive amounts from its treasuries to keep borders of its empire intact, financing foreign wars, while revenue fell dramatically.

 No Nation can sustain wars from which there is no profit, that is how empires crumble and republics are lost. Rome continued to expand while it could earn profit, so long as it could generate enough revenue to fund expansion and hold on to expansion, it survived. 

    The USA is finding itself in a predicament, expanding to its present geography took a few hundred years, and it was profitable. But it got corrupt and lazy, is now draining its treasuries to defend borders and financing wars abroad without generating revenue. 


 Personal liberty is a casualty of this process, when govt restricts its citizens, the writing is on the wall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rome fell from internal corruption, living large and not paying attention to details. Rome was paying massive amounts from its treasuries to keep borders of its empire intact, financing foreign wars, while revenue fell dramatically.</p>
<p> No Nation can sustain wars from which there is no profit, that is how empires crumble and republics are lost. Rome continued to expand while it could earn profit, so long as it could generate enough revenue to fund expansion and hold on to expansion, it survived. </p>
<p>    The USA is finding itself in a predicament, expanding to its present geography took a few hundred years, and it was profitable. But it got corrupt and lazy, is now draining its treasuries to defend borders and financing wars abroad without generating revenue. </p>
<p> Personal liberty is a casualty of this process, when govt restricts its citizens, the writing is on the wall.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: vivo</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/its-the-personal-liberty-stupid/#comment-384338</link>
		<dc:creator>vivo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=64983#comment-384338</guid>
		<description>15. Pelaut:

&quot;vivo: “If people were honest, smart and responsible they wouldn’t need governments.”

Idiot! Get an education! Government is constituted to take care of the COMMONS. Period.&quot;

Tnx fr da compliment.  Ur statement is correct, but my take was to point out that if people acted smart and helpful, they could avoid gobs and gobs of legislation and bureaucracy.

17. wobble&amp;gyrate:

Tnx, I wasn&#039;t trying to be historically precise.

31. woreoutolddude:

&quot;Yeah I agree religion is man made, but faith comes from God through the Bible, and I don’t need no teacher or preacher to get it.&quot;

I fully agree with you.  I really admire the brilliant minds that created religion and the bibles.  I respect your Faith in beings that guide you.  But much pain and death has come from religious beliefs.  I don&#039;t need that.

39. Bilwick:

Again, I wasn&#039;t trying to be precise.

55. rvastar:

&quot;But unfortunately, there are millions upon millions of vivos out there…historically ignorant “useful idiots” who are only all-too-willing to stick their necks into a yoke of their own making.&quot;

Look who&#039;s talking.  Read your words again while looking at a mirror.  See that yoke?

58. Ruebacca:

&quot;Live Free or Die&quot;

Your choice.  But nothing is black or white.  Look at all your grays.

My motto:  Live free and live happy.

91. AtheistConservative:

&quot;Which is why you just have to let them act like the children they are, and hope that someday they grow up. Most do, eventually&quot;

Children are pure and honest.

I will remain a child!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>15. Pelaut:</p>
<p>&#8220;vivo: “If people were honest, smart and responsible they wouldn’t need governments.”</p>
<p>Idiot! Get an education! Government is constituted to take care of the COMMONS. Period.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tnx fr da compliment.  Ur statement is correct, but my take was to point out that if people acted smart and helpful, they could avoid gobs and gobs of legislation and bureaucracy.</p>
<p>17. wobble&amp;gyrate:</p>
<p>Tnx, I wasn&#8217;t trying to be historically precise.</p>
<p>31. woreoutolddude:</p>
<p>&#8220;Yeah I agree religion is man made, but faith comes from God through the Bible, and I don’t need no teacher or preacher to get it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I fully agree with you.  I really admire the brilliant minds that created religion and the bibles.  I respect your Faith in beings that guide you.  But much pain and death has come from religious beliefs.  I don&#8217;t need that.</p>
<p>39. Bilwick:</p>
<p>Again, I wasn&#8217;t trying to be precise.</p>
<p>55. rvastar:</p>
<p>&#8220;But unfortunately, there are millions upon millions of vivos out there…historically ignorant “useful idiots” who are only all-too-willing to stick their necks into a yoke of their own making.&#8221;</p>
<p>Look who&#8217;s talking.  Read your words again while looking at a mirror.  See that yoke?</p>
<p>58. Ruebacca:</p>
<p>&#8220;Live Free or Die&#8221;</p>
<p>Your choice.  But nothing is black or white.  Look at all your grays.</p>
<p>My motto:  Live free and live happy.</p>
<p>91. AtheistConservative:</p>
<p>&#8220;Which is why you just have to let them act like the children they are, and hope that someday they grow up. Most do, eventually&#8221;</p>
<p>Children are pure and honest.</p>
<p>I will remain a child!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Micha Elyi</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/its-the-personal-liberty-stupid/#comment-384250</link>
		<dc:creator>Micha Elyi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=64983#comment-384250</guid>
		<description>To all of you who suppose term limits on politicians is the way to choke Pig Government, look at California.  Its Prop 140 was passed almost two decades ago (in 1990) and Utopia still has not yet arrived in the Golden State.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all of you who suppose term limits on politicians is the way to choke Pig Government, look at California.  Its Prop 140 was passed almost two decades ago (in 1990) and Utopia still has not yet arrived in the Golden State.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: rvastar</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/its-the-personal-liberty-stupid/#comment-383716</link>
		<dc:creator>rvastar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=64983#comment-383716</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
The raw numbers on demographics tell one part of the story, but there’s also an ethnic component. As the US becomes more and more populated by Hispanics and the retired cohort is dominated by whites, it will be “interesting” to see the level of tolerance for higher Social Security taxes among the younger, more Hispanic population to support the retirement lifestyles of white Boomers.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ha!  You think that&#039;s going to be a problem for the US?  Wait until you see what happens with the nihilistic Europeans over the next 20-30 years as they come to depend on the ethnically-vague immigrant &quot;youths&quot; that riot through the streets of numerous countries on a weekly basis.

(&lt;i&gt;Shhhhhh&lt;/i&gt;...keep that quiet though.  It&#039;s disturbing to the Left&#039;s multi-cultural fantasies).

But you&#039;re right about what&#039;s going to happen here in the US, though I don&#039;t think it&#039;s going to make one bit of difference as to the ethnic background of young people who are having 20% of their paycheck confiscated to subsidize their selfish, irresponsible elders&#039; Social Security and Medicare.  In a nutshell: their going to refuse to pay.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
The Romans had the same issue when they let the barbarians get Roman citizenship. Those who don’t learn from history and all that.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Too true.  Except that, in the end, I believe that there are still enough non-feminized Americans to avoid that fate.  As you said earlier:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Again, I say, let’s split the United States into two separate countries...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;That&lt;/i&gt;, I fear, will eventually be our fate.  Because in the end, a thing cannot be two things at once: it must become all one or all the other...or splinter from the tension.  There is simply no way to reconcile the views of people like you and I with those of people like our resident Leftist trolls.

The &lt;i&gt;one thing&lt;/i&gt; that may help us to avert that fate is the coming collapse of Europe.  By 2050, there be 100 million more Americans than today.  At the same time, in 2050, there will be 100 million fewer native Europeans, who - combined - currently have a suicidal birth rate of 1.4 children per woman.  To be more illustrative: in 1970, there were 4.6 million native Italians under the age of 5.  In 2004, there were 2.6 million.

So what are the selfish Europeans doing as they desperately try to shore up their entitlement Ponzi schemes?  The exact same thing the Romans did: throwing open the doors to an ancient enemy that loathes them.  And it will end the exact same way as it did for the Romans: with the barbarian horde spilling into their streets, unchallenged.  Millions will flee to the Anglosphere nations that will represent all that&#039;s left of Western Civilization.  The rest will convert...or die on their knees, cowards and fools.

And the shock of seeing that happen &lt;i&gt;might&lt;/i&gt; just be enough to remind Westerners that there&#039;s a reason for the phrase &quot;it&#039;s a man&#039;s world&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
The raw numbers on demographics tell one part of the story, but there’s also an ethnic component. As the US becomes more and more populated by Hispanics and the retired cohort is dominated by whites, it will be “interesting” to see the level of tolerance for higher Social Security taxes among the younger, more Hispanic population to support the retirement lifestyles of white Boomers.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Ha!  You think that&#8217;s going to be a problem for the US?  Wait until you see what happens with the nihilistic Europeans over the next 20-30 years as they come to depend on the ethnically-vague immigrant &#8220;youths&#8221; that riot through the streets of numerous countries on a weekly basis.</p>
<p>(<i>Shhhhhh</i>&#8230;keep that quiet though.  It&#8217;s disturbing to the Left&#8217;s multi-cultural fantasies).</p>
<p>But you&#8217;re right about what&#8217;s going to happen here in the US, though I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s going to make one bit of difference as to the ethnic background of young people who are having 20% of their paycheck confiscated to subsidize their selfish, irresponsible elders&#8217; Social Security and Medicare.  In a nutshell: their going to refuse to pay.</p>
<blockquote><p>
The Romans had the same issue when they let the barbarians get Roman citizenship. Those who don’t learn from history and all that.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Too true.  Except that, in the end, I believe that there are still enough non-feminized Americans to avoid that fate.  As you said earlier:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Again, I say, let’s split the United States into two separate countries&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p><i>That</i>, I fear, will eventually be our fate.  Because in the end, a thing cannot be two things at once: it must become all one or all the other&#8230;or splinter from the tension.  There is simply no way to reconcile the views of people like you and I with those of people like our resident Leftist trolls.</p>
<p>The <i>one thing</i> that may help us to avert that fate is the coming collapse of Europe.  By 2050, there be 100 million more Americans than today.  At the same time, in 2050, there will be 100 million fewer native Europeans, who &#8211; combined &#8211; currently have a suicidal birth rate of 1.4 children per woman.  To be more illustrative: in 1970, there were 4.6 million native Italians under the age of 5.  In 2004, there were 2.6 million.</p>
<p>So what are the selfish Europeans doing as they desperately try to shore up their entitlement Ponzi schemes?  The exact same thing the Romans did: throwing open the doors to an ancient enemy that loathes them.  And it will end the exact same way as it did for the Romans: with the barbarian horde spilling into their streets, unchallenged.  Millions will flee to the Anglosphere nations that will represent all that&#8217;s left of Western Civilization.  The rest will convert&#8230;or die on their knees, cowards and fools.</p>
<p>And the shock of seeing that happen <i>might</i> just be enough to remind Westerners that there&#8217;s a reason for the phrase &#8220;it&#8217;s a man&#8217;s world&#8221;.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Peter the Bubblehead</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/its-the-personal-liberty-stupid/#comment-383581</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter the Bubblehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=64983#comment-383581</guid>
		<description>106. spanky wrote:
Old soldier-”I don’t want to be cared for or coddled by a national bureaucracy.”
Are you not a consumer of veterans health benefits?

Peter asks: Why do liberals keep thinking vets benefits are some kiund of give-away program and not something a soldier/sailor/airman/marine has EARNED for their SERVICE?

Could it be because libs know nothing of service to others?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>106. spanky wrote:<br />
Old soldier-”I don’t want to be cared for or coddled by a national bureaucracy.”<br />
Are you not a consumer of veterans health benefits?</p>
<p>Peter asks: Why do liberals keep thinking vets benefits are some kiund of give-away program and not something a soldier/sailor/airman/marine has EARNED for their SERVICE?</p>
<p>Could it be because libs know nothing of service to others?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: spanky</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/its-the-personal-liberty-stupid/#comment-383506</link>
		<dc:creator>spanky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=64983#comment-383506</guid>
		<description>Old soldier-&quot;I don’t want to be cared for or coddled by a national bureaucracy.&quot; 
Are you not a consumer of veterans health benefits?

&quot;I don’t want to pay for other people’s bad choices.&quot;
If as a young soldier the Gov&#039;t told you to go and fight and die in a conflict you didn&#039;t personally or politically agree with you&#039;d take a pass?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old soldier-&#8221;I don’t want to be cared for or coddled by a national bureaucracy.&#8221;<br />
Are you not a consumer of veterans health benefits?</p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t want to pay for other people’s bad choices.&#8221;<br />
If as a young soldier the Gov&#8217;t told you to go and fight and die in a conflict you didn&#8217;t personally or politically agree with you&#8217;d take a pass?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Войска ПВО</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/its-the-personal-liberty-stupid/#comment-383504</link>
		<dc:creator>Войска ПВО</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=64983#comment-383504</guid>
		<description>Arrrrrgh!

their == there, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arrrrrgh!</p>
<p>their == there, of course.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Войска ПВО</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/its-the-personal-liberty-stupid/#comment-383502</link>
		<dc:creator>Войска ПВО</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=64983#comment-383502</guid>
		<description>6. David Thomson writes:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Not quite accurate. I long cynically realized that most people do not pay a lot of attention to politics. This easily allows them to be manipulated by the MSM and the overall dominant left-wing culture. Sadly, it was therefore not surprising that the con job was pulled off. The middle-of-the-road voters did not explicitly vote for an ultra-liberal. They though Obama was minimally a moderate, if not even a center-right politician.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Not to leap to their defense, David, as I too believe that there&#039;s a huge contingent of mouth-breathers out their that can be described as the &quot;American [Idol] Public&quot;. But a lot of folks have to work, have families to care for, and are otherwise concerned with our lives.

It is the idle, unemployed advocates that show up at a lot of demonstrations and hector for their causes..

..until now. The Pantload-in-Chief and his crowd of over-reaching, unrepentant Democrats have finally intruded into this private life we have and we are angry. Ergo the vociferous and boisterous Town Hall meetings.

As the young lady exclaimed to a bewildered Arlen Sphincter, &quot;You have wakened a sleeping giant!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>6. David Thomson writes:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Not quite accurate. I long cynically realized that most people do not pay a lot of attention to politics. This easily allows them to be manipulated by the MSM and the overall dominant left-wing culture. Sadly, it was therefore not surprising that the con job was pulled off. The middle-of-the-road voters did not explicitly vote for an ultra-liberal. They though Obama was minimally a moderate, if not even a center-right politician.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Not to leap to their defense, David, as I too believe that there&#8217;s a huge contingent of mouth-breathers out their that can be described as the &#8220;American [Idol] Public&#8221;. But a lot of folks have to work, have families to care for, and are otherwise concerned with our lives.</p>
<p>It is the idle, unemployed advocates that show up at a lot of demonstrations and hector for their causes..</p>
<p>..until now. The Pantload-in-Chief and his crowd of over-reaching, unrepentant Democrats have finally intruded into this private life we have and we are angry. Ergo the vociferous and boisterous Town Hall meetings.</p>
<p>As the young lady exclaimed to a bewildered Arlen Sphincter, &#8220;You have wakened a sleeping giant!&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: georgia</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/its-the-personal-liberty-stupid/#comment-383374</link>
		<dc:creator>georgia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 05:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=64983#comment-383374</guid>
		<description>#14 (How to shrink govt?)  We can start by electing representatives committed to de-funding Federal programs.  Under our Const., budget authority (and the ability to raise revenue) starts in the House.  They can de-fund any program they want: Examples include everything and anything from Ameri-Corp to subsidies, to their own personal govt. salaries, office and travel expenses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#14 (How to shrink govt?)  We can start by electing representatives committed to de-funding Federal programs.  Under our Const., budget authority (and the ability to raise revenue) starts in the House.  They can de-fund any program they want: Examples include everything and anything from Ameri-Corp to subsidies, to their own personal govt. salaries, office and travel expenses.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

