“I think, and have stated several things those living in Gaza and the West Bank can do, regardless of the decisions of the Israeli government, that will bring peace.”

So tell me if I’m right. There are nearly 300,000 Israeli settlers on the West Bank. And if so, do you think it’s fair for them to remain and for the Palestinians to continue living in a geographical confined and crowded space, and surrender the land that the Israelis settlers have laid claimed to? By the way, do the Palestinians have a construction industry, complete with vehicles and building supplies? Have they been permitted to acquire one? Or do the Israelis control the industry?

How about this source of information:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/nawaranegm/gGxhmv

I’ll post an excerpt from it:

“Faced with no alternatives locally, building contractors turned abroad to look for men desperate to feed their families to offer them contracts for work in Israel. In Romania, Israeli contractors found a sizeable audience of men who could not make a living in their own country. The contractors made arrangements to pay for their passage to Israel, to pay their wages, to provide them with living quarters, and to pay for their return passage at the completion of the work. All the laborers worked according to a contract properly drawn up, so the arrangements looked acceptable.
Unfortunately for the men who came to work in Israel, soon they were to learn the meaning of what Israelis call “Israbluff”. Soon, they learned that the employers would confiscate their passports to prevent them from abandoning the project once they discovered that they would be living in conditions unfit for human habitation, that they would have meager quantities of food shoved into their quarters under doors or through bars, as if they were in a cage in a zoo, and that they would receive what was written in their contracts minus several onerous deductions about which the employers had not mentioned a word at the time the contracts were signed. Worse yet, they would soon learn that while the Israeli media would put them on display as subjects for stories, nobody would come to their assistance; either they were “those foreigners” or they were “stealing jobs from Israelis.” Either way, nobody cared enough to fight for the rights of these men.”

Please don’t give me your bull about how peace can be achieved.

You’re antagonizing ways are easy to expose.

Don’t forget to unplug your computer. Waste not, want not.

But let me see if I understand your position. You think that the definition of peace is Gd, and Gd is Jesus. So, I guess the next step in your argument is that both the Muslims and the Jews should accept Jesus. Well, if that’s what you believe, that’s what you believe. Not much room for argument or discussion.

I think there are activities that naturally lead to peace, both individual and collective activities. Plus, I think peace needs a much more concrete definition–such as inner peace, peace within family and community. There are questions that need to be answered–is a person with repressed emotions at peace, questions like that.

And then there’s this statement that you made:

Then came the Muslims, and on the other hand, they not only internalized peace, much in the same way the Jews did, but they also proliferated it, through force.

I don’t see how a person can read that statement and conclude that the Muslims internalized peace.

But somehow you’ve done just that by condemning the Israeli response to the attacks by Hamas. I think, and have stated several things those living in Gaza and the West Bank can do, regardless of the decisions of the Israeli government, that will bring peace. And my proposals would definitely change the way that Israel responds to these quasi-governments and territories.

And yet despite my concrete proposals that would in fact bring peace to the region–you insist that I and other Jews believe in war.

I’m sorry, but it seems as though your logic begins and ends with accepting Jesus, with no logic in between. Not much room for discussion, is there?

And look how much electricity we’ve wasted.

Searching each day for the answers,
Watching our hopes disappear.
Set on a course for disaster,
Living our lives in fear.
Our leaders leave us in confusion.
For them there’s only one solution.

Caught in the fight for survival,
Trapped with our backs to the wall.
Are we just lambs to the slaughter,
Who wait for the axe to fall?
Our world is headed for destruction.
Our fate is in the hands of fools.

Shadows of the past,
Victims of the future.
How long will it last?
Victims of the future?

Into the verbal arena,
Armed with the lies that they tell.
They’re fighting for world domination,
Backed by the weapons of hell.
Is there no end to all this madness?
Is there no hope for us at all?

Victims of the future.
Yeah.

I’ve decided to share more observation about the three major monotheistic belief systems and some advice before I stick a fork in this blog and call it done. Feel free to add more, if you think it will be enlightening.

Throughout the ages of Judaism and Islam believers weren’t given proper foreign relations skills, attested to by the abysmal record of the Torah and Koran. The Jews internalized peace and tried to maintain it amongst themselves, through forcibly resisting external influence, that was contrary to their belief system. Which was mostly everyone‘s belief. Then came the Muslims, and on the other hand, they not only internalized peace, much in the same way the Jews did, but they also proliferated it, through force. Though in some cases they tolerated other belief systems, as long as they dominated them.
Note, both beliefs have internal rebellion.

Now according to Christians, the Jews totally misinterpreted God, from the individual viewpoint. Muslims tried to blend the two together, only to infringe upon the rights of others. Eventually, with domination, succeeding generations accepted this belief. Trusting mere humans in power to control the masses through fear, torture, and death, and accepting the application of them (and in some ways, seemingly having a delightful frenzy in the enforcement) to those rebelling against the convenient laws that they themselves thought up. Evidently not spiritually pure enough to be entrusted with the responsibility of God’s intentions.

Christians represented God from the perspective of the individual, and left conversion up to the individual, as to whether or not they would receive God. The individual freedom of God is proliferated through peace. Needless to say, there are those that disagree with Christian influence. Rightly so, but in many cases not very morally so, in reference to God.

In essence, from the individual perspective, God is peace. It is us who are militant, against God’s peace, and in some cases, misrepresent and misinterpret the peace bestowed upon us.

In foretold revelation of Christianity, the true definition of peace, is God.

I know transition from the past mistakes is difficult, and were made by all three systems, and still are. Especially evident with the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. One belief system going full force, with beliefs of the past, and the other still holding on to ways of the past. (ways of the right, described in this blog). They both and everyone else included, have to be aware, we all have ran out of places to retreat to. The earth has become to small for our diverse antagonizing conduct.

I just hope in the near future, we all realize the true meaning of peace, and have the sense to assimilate And in the process, are able shed the antagonistic ideological ways of the past. The ones that pit us one against the other, with violence and war.

Can we all as humans, ever peaceably achieve a true respect for each and everyone’s individual existence? At least be civil to one another?

Let’s make it even easier, just to show that you have no interest at all in peace. Define peace.

So right now, you’re two for two–two questions asked, refused to answer both. See if you can get the basics–what is peace?

And, you realize, or probably not, that you aren’t even responding to a single word that I write. You’re just taking up space.

What am I retreating to? I’m asking you question that you don’t even understand or can’t answer. Sounds like you’re the one retreating.

It’s sad that you don’t recognize advice. Instead, you retreat to paranoid delusions. I’m not out to get you, but I will tell you, you are on the road to ruin, with the tool of war.

Although it looks like the only tool you will need is a shovel, and it’s obvious you already have one, because you keep digging deeper into your despondency.

Don’t worry about me, I’ve got a plot and made my arrangements. That’s not meant to sound sinister. Chill out.

The problem is, WWJD? More than likely repeat history, if you had your way.

But again, this shows that you have no interest in peace, you just like the sound of your own thoughts. Other peoples have suffered far greater indignities than the Palestinians and did not respond with a sustained 60 year campaign of murder and death worship. And yet you find their actions a reasonable response to their great indignity, which as they say over and over,is simply that Jews exist, that we breathe. There is something seriously wrong with your morality. Have the Tibetans carried out terror attacks against the Chinese? Were the Jews terrorists in Europe and Russia?

All of problems in the West Bank would vanish, literally in one to two years if they would devote their resources to building a civil society rather than to create a death machine pointed at the Jewish state. Instead, virtually all of the money they have been given by the UN, Europe, and the US over decades has been stolen, they themselves train their people, their own children to be walking bombs. Yes, anger occurs, but a suicide bomber needs to be trained.

So you can stop masquerading. You have no interest in peace or the welfare of those living in the West Bank and Gaza. However you do support and feel their cause of killing Jews is justified. That says everything about you.

Here’s another question which you can’t answer. Can you list 10 Tools of Peace? Do you even know what I’m talking about? And how many of these Tools of Peace do those living in the West Bank and Gaza employ?

Have some more paint.

I’m going to let you paint yourself into a corner. If you don’t understand what I’m asking, kindly withdraw from the conversation.”

I don’t think you understand. Even though animosity is evident, the blame knows no culprit. Sure Palestinians can take part in sharing it, but are the Israelis willing to admit that some of their actions have been atagonizing, to say the least? Do you think children in Gaza really see anything other than those actions? And that results in animosity towards Israelis?

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