Islamists Targeting Christians ‘Wherever They Can Reach Them’
In 2006, when Pope Benedict quoted history deemed unflattering to Islam, Christians around the Muslim world paid the price: anti-Christian riots ensued, churches were burned, and a nun was murdered in Somalia. That was then. Days ago, when a Christian in Egypt was accused of dating a Muslim woman, twenty-two Christian homes were set ablaze, to cries of “Allah Akbar.” Countless other examples of one group of Christians in the Muslim world being “punished” in response to other Christians exist.
In fact, the recent carnage in Baghdad, wherein Islamists stormed a church during mass, killing over fifty Christian worshippers, was a “response” to Egypt’s Coptic Christian church, which Islamists accuse of kidnapping and torturing Muslim women to convert to Christianity. (Ironically, the well documented reality in Egypt is that Muslims regularly kidnap and force Christian women to convert to Islam: these accusations are part of a new trend whereby Islamists project their own crimes onto the Copts.) And the al-Qaeda affiliated Islamists who perpetrated the Baghdad church massacre have further threatened Christians around the world:
All Christian centres, organisations and institutions, leaders and followers, are legitimate targets for the mujahedeen (holy warriors) wherever they can reach them.”… Let these idolaters [Christians of the world], and at their forefront, the hallucinating tyrant of the Vatican [Pope Benedict], know that the killing sword will not be lifted from the necks of their followers until they declare their innocence from what the dog of the Egyptian Church is doing.
Of course, the clause “wherever they can reach them” is an indicator that it is the Islamic world’s Christians who will especially be targeted — since they are most easily reached.
This phenomenon — attacking one set of Christians, or non-Muslims in general, in response to another — has roots in Islamic law. The Pact of Omar, a foundational text for Islam’s treatment of dhimmis (i.e., non-Muslims who refused to convert after their lands were seized by Islam) makes this clear. The consequences of breaking any of the debilitating and humiliating conditions Christians were made to accept in order to be granted a degree of surety by the Muslim state — including things like giving up their seats to Muslims, as a show of “respect” — were stark: “If we in any way violate these undertakings for which we ourselves stand surety, we forfeit our covenant [dhimma], and we become liable to the penalties for contumacy and sedition [that is, they become viewed as “unprotected” infidels, and thus exposed to the same treatment, including slavery, rape, and death.].”
Moreover, the actions of the individual affect the entire group — hence the “hostage” aspect (everyone is under threat to ensure that everyone behaves). As Mark Durie points out, “Even a breach by a single individual dhimmi could result in jihad being enacted against the whole community. Muslim jurists have made this principle explicit, for example, the Yemeni jurist al-Murtada wrote that ‘The agreement will be canceled if all or some of them break it…’ and the Moroccan al-Maghili taught ‘The fact that one individual (or one group) among them has broken the statute is enough to invalidate it for all of them’” (The Third Choice, p.160).
It’s the doctrine of Dar-al-Islam. Nothing new.
They can do these attacks, because the Dhimmis cannot fight back, under penalty of death. It’s just like Jim Crow laws, where blacks could never fight back, because they would be lynched. If you’re confused, just think “Bloody Sunday”, the “police” attack on the civil rights marchers.
The Jim Crow era exactly portrayed dhimmitude. You were nominally free, as long as you adhered to certain restrictions. In fact, you were still a slave, unable to hold your head up. A black boy walking alongside a white girl could well result in violence. For Muslims, a Christian boy walking alongside a Muslim girl is equally disgusting. They will kill someone for it. They will take it out on someone nearby, because “they” are all to blame.
This is nothing new under the sun. Hate follows predictable patterns. Muslims HATE Christians the way whites hated blacks in this country. Of course, not all of them do. The level of hate varies, but it is monolithic. Some do not hate, but dare not speak up, or they too will suffer reprisal.
Btw, you used compromise, instead of comprise. Totally different meaning. “compromise the largest Christian bloc in the Middle East”
I am Muslim and the creed of ISLAM is not what the MISGUIDED MUSLIMS ARE DOING, just like I am sure the beliefs of Christains is not one that the supports the KKK or beleive that the Crusades were right. I slam is not a religion of force we beleive Allah chooses Muslims not man. I really wish people would educate themselves before writing or speaking about a subject they have no knowledge of. There are definitely some crazy misguided followers in Islam and there we go again beleiving only what is given to people which is filtered news. EDUCATE, EDUCATE, EDUCATION is what you need about Islam.
There is not a mainstream school of Islamic law that does not obligate jihad, defined as warfare against non-Muslims to establish the religion (over earth) and the subjugation of non-Muslims under the authority of Islam. Likewise, there is not a mainstream school of Islamic law that does not call for the death penalty for apostasy and similar punishments for “blasphemy”. So much for freedom of speech, freedom of religion or conscience. They don’t exist for Muslims and they don’t exist for the “dhimmi”. Show me anything “moderate” about any mainstream school of Islamic law? There are no equal rights under the law for non-Muslims or women, quite the contrary. None of this has any place in the civilized world but you want to pretend it has nothing to do with Islam itself. Islamic law is just the codified understanding of the Qur’an and Sunnah by Islam’s great scholars and clerics. And just as the Qur’an is immutable and unchangeable, so any innovation in Islam or Shari’a is absolutely forbidden and is itself an act of apostasy.
A central doctrine of the Qur’an according to its scholars is Al Wala Wal-Barra, loyalty and brotherhood toward fellow Muslims, hate and enmity toward non-Muslims –the much despised (by Allah), kafir (“worst of all creatures”). Thus, commands to not take Jews & Christians as friends and the risk of being called an apostate if you do. Islam’s history speaks for itself. You are what you do. The Islamic armies would never have left Arabia if Islam only wanted peace with it’s non-Muslim neighbors. Instead, it sought to conquer them by sword or stealth. Including the Christians of the Near East and Egypt and North Africa. Rivers of blood and mountains of corpses attest to how Muhammad’s last revelations (concluding with sura nine declaring a permanent state of war with the non-Muslim world including Jews & Christians) were understood by Muslims, and continue to be understood. Muhammad only gave them three choices: convert, live as subjugated peoples, or fight and die. His successors followed this to the letter.
Muslims come in all stripes, they can be moderate, particularly in the West they can pick and choose the elements of the Qur’an they like and ignore the rest, but millions of your co-religionists don’t. They take Islam seriously as a Total Belief System. They take Al Wala Wal Barra seriously too, because the Qur’an says to love what Allah loves and hate whom Allah hates. And Allah hates the kafir. They take Jihad seriously,
whether by the sword or its alternatives when the sword isn’t prudent. They take Islamic supremacism seriously. Islam must dominate and not be dominated. This includes the OIC, the 56-nation Muslim bloc at the United Nations which claims to speak for the Muslim world. They invented their own declaration of human rights, one subject to Shari’a–which denies human rights as we the civilized world know them, which is completely contrary to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights the UN is supposed to be founded upon as it is incompatible with free societies everywhere. But Islam is not about freedom, it is about quite the opposite, submission.
This is what muslims ALWAYS say. We don’t understand, we’re ALL ignorant of islam. PLEASE educate yourselves about our good intentions. Well, I started educating myself about islam right after 9/11 and I learned PLENTY. That’s why I don’t believe the lies of muslims OR their appologists here in the West. So I will agree with you on one thing-People, please read, study and learn about islam. It is cruel, evil and disgusting in every way and it is antithetical to civilization, much less modernity. Winston Churchill said it correctly over 100 years ago after his service in Afghanistan, “Islam is the greatest retrograde force in the world.”
Terrorists of London’s Metro were ALL well, very well educated- but this did not prevent them to turn against the people they have lived among, and that ensured their well-being and education. I would like to see large numbers of good-will Muslims arise against violence, combat violence themselves. Not just keep silent when these thins happen, or at the very most “dissociate” themselves from the guilty ones. I would like Muslims to openly declare their correligionary ARE, INDEED, GUILTY. Before God.
This is something you will never see happen. For the reasons given above. Not that there aren’t good-will Muslims but that their good-will has little to do with Islam. The London terrorists were well-educated (like the plotting Muslim doctors subsequently) but they were also well-educated in Islam and that’s the important thing. Islam and the Ummah are a “good” Muslim’s first loyalty. How do good-will Muslims rise up against them in the name of Islam when the jihadists have all the best arguments and verses of scripture to support them? How do they Islamically refute them? Or do you think it is sufficient to do so in the name of values outside the Qur’an and Sunnah? In fact, you will not see Muslims in any numbers siding with the kafir against a brother Muslim.
One reason why this conflict drags on and on is that most infidels don’t know that they are infidels. They have no clue about the true relationship between Islam and infidels. Sure, they are familiar with the word infidel, they have heard it tossed around from time to time, but they don’t relate to it in any personal way. Your typical infidel will come across a news article about some atrocity committed against non-Muslims and never make the connection that they themselves are in the crosshairs as well.
The clash of civilizations that bin Laden wanted on 9/11 is here. Has been for years, just that the west has been too lazy to realize it. Maybe “lazy” isn’t the right term for it. “Afraid” is probably a more accurate term to use. The west for years has been afraid to confront this issue and now it is here upon us. The Europeans, especially in France and Britain, are seeing first hand how this war is affecting their own countries. And although a lot of arrests have been made here in the United States against radical Muslims, while some of them have even committed murder (such as the Ft. Hood shooter), the situation is still not as out of control as it is in Europe.
The west needs to understand that this problem will not simply go away. It will also get worse when more radical Islamic countries, like Iran, get nuclear weapons. You can be as nice as you want to be to radical Muslims, but they will only be happy when you, the infidel, are eliminated. And if you don’t get that by now, you have not been paying attention to what people like bin Laden have been saying over the last few years.
Neither “afraid” nor “lazy” quite fit, I think, but I understand your point.
I might choose “ignorance” as the starting point, but now that people are becoming more aware, through no effort of their own, just sheer volume of incidents, “afraid” and “intimidated” certainly fit.
As I am becoming more aware, the thing I loath most about our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan (and I am generally a big supporter or liberating countries) is that we are installing sharia law. We are not building nations as we did after WW2 in Western Europe, we are installing tyrants, as we did in Eastern Europe in order to appease a hostile ideology.
As was done in the ’30s to appease another hostile ideology.
Why will this turn out any better?
The only radical Muslims are the Apostates. Those who follow Mohammad by lying, raping, and murdering, are the true followers of Islam.
To #1,
Some whites, not all whites. How do you think Americans from Africa got civil rights?
“but they will only be happy when you, the infidel, are eliminated. And if you don’t get that by now, you have not been paying attention to what people like bin Laden have been saying over the last few years.”
Well my friend…according to Assange and his leaks…it’s 99% of the ME countries that want Iran neutered! The King of the Sauds…wants us to cut off the head of the snake. So does Egypt and Yemen. And ya know what? I say tough sheite. Handle this problem yourselves. Your extremest islamist freaks birthed this monster back in 1979. YOU deal with it.
They’ll fight Itan to the death of the last American soldier, won’t they? I say to hell with all of them. Let the Iranians sink their oil wealth…then maybe the “ONE” will reverse his stupid, asinine policy of a moratorium on drilling.
This moratorium is as stupid as placing the same on all automobiles or aircraft…cause there was a crash. Hey…it’s the real world dipstick…and sheet happens.
Not a good enough reason to halt oil independence and kill our economy.
Heil Obama.
Seriously, this is a surprise? People don’t know this already? What part of “kill the infidel” do people not understand.
This kind of barbarity has been going on since when? Since forever. When the stated goal of your religion is convert everyone or kill them it follows that anyone (Christian, Jew, Buddhist, agnostic, atheist) who lives within the boundaries of countries controlled by said religion are going to be either converted by coercion or murdered.
And we give money (foreign aid) to these countries? Cut the tentacles now.
Muslims, wherever they’re found, are animated principally by power and fear of power. They always kowtow to the locally dominant power…until that power begins to display weakness before the Islamic bayonet.
We have made a major mistake in accepting Islam into the West. The United States lags behind Europe in this regard, but our attitude is equally destructive. It’s time to close our shores to Islam and Muslims…and to let Muslims worldwide know that payback season has been declared open.
There must be no more “free” murders of Christians, or Jews, or Baha’i, or homosexuals…or anyone.
Francis, your article referenced on your site is excellent. Forceful, resolute and ultimately decisive action is required to deal with the threat to Western civilization that is Islam.
Are you also familiar with The Three Conjectures?
http://belmontclub.blogspot.com/2003/09/three-conjectures-pew-poll-finds-40-of.html
Islam is both a cult and a meme. A meme that perfectly insulates and inoculates itself against change or any sort of meaningful ‘reform.’ Lee Harris has an excellent exposition of this aspect of Islam in his The Suicide of Reason.
The only possible response to the existential threat to Western civilization that is Islam is this: threaten our civilization and yours is forfeit.
“The only possible response to the existential threat to Western civilization that is Islam is this: threaten our civilization and yours is forfeit.”
Even that won’t work in the case of Israel, since Muslims become truly, psychotic, deranged murderous savages when it comes to Jews, with no sense of self-preservation.
So they will launch their nukes, and Israel will obliterate the Muslim world from Tehran to Algiers, along with their holy cities and half the world’s oil, causing a collapse of civlization that would last for many years — and that is the best case. It could easily grow into a global nuclear war that finishes us all.
For those of us who are Christians we are not surprised by this. In fact, to be honest, it’s expected. Our scriptures tell us we will be persecuted and for those of that suffer persecution we are really blessed. For those who have been martyred before this Christmas season they won’t spend this Christmas with their families they will spend it in the arms of CHRIST. In great tragedy, great joy is found.
However, even the secular world needs to get it…Islam is a blight on the world. They are ones that are truly “intolerant”. I do not understand how the same people who label Christians as “intolerant” and “unloving” (which isn’t really true, we love people, we want people to experience the love of GOD) would support and hold up a religion that in it’s tenets believes they should convert the world by force if necessary. They believe in the whole sale killing of homosexuals and people who don’t think exactly the same as they do. It doesn’t make any sense to me at all…
I guess that’s why I’m out here in flyover country…I can’t handle the mental gymnastics it takes to live on the coasts and function. For those who do and still have their scruples…I bow in awe of you.
Well it was a good try to have a democracy in the Islamic world, but its time to admit it has failed in Iraq.Freedom of religious worship is paramount in democratic countries.If the dumbass Iraqis cant figure this out ,then they dont deserve freedom.
Yknow people squawk about corruption in Western democracies.Be happy thats all we deal with.The rest of the planet has to deal with corruption in govt AND genocidal leaders,child labour,slavery,religious laws,and general lawlessness.
More proof the only real democratic country in the middle east is Israel.
Wow breaking news!! The “Religion of Peace” is targeting Christians. Guess the Jews can relax for a while, huh?
No, it’s just that Iraq murdered or exiled all their Jews, and they used to have a LOT of Jews.
You know how they say “First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people?”
Well….it’s true.
Of course they’re killing Christians. They’re infidels. Mohammad said it was okay.
I wonder…can we start a “religion” and state that we must kill moslems?
According to Jewish writer Vera Saeedpour, the Turkish government pressured Israel’s policies, including by threatening “the lives and livelihood of the 180,000 Jews” in Turkey….
Turkey meant to sever diplomatic relations and had threatened “…the lives and livelihood of the 18,000 Jews” in the country….
So, which is it? Are there 18,000 or 180,000 Jews in Turkey?
Aside from this nit, an excellent article pointing out the danger of being a minority in a Muslim country.
I hope we all wake up and wake up fast. This all needs to be nipped in the bud now.
Way too late to “nip it in the bud” I think.
The first folks we need to….address…are the domestic enemies who are enabling this takeover.
HEAR HEAR!!! I’m not sure what you mean by ennablers though. If you mean non right wing people who have their heart in the right place but don’t know the history or the facts then I would have to disagree. They should be politely engadged. HOWEVER if you mean the forign agitators, propogandists and radicalizers that have been sent into western countries to incite violence, lie to the public and manipulate western systems of governance then I heartily endorse your comment. There are many islamic “special interest” groups connected with the muslim brotherhood, who’s spokesmen/leaders have publicly declaired war on the US as recently as last week.
Surely there are provisions about what must be done with 5th columnists and propogandists in wartime but I haven’t been able to find specific up to date info on the internet.
When people talk about McCarthy they often neglect the fact that he was right (just exaggerating in order to further his career). There were russian agents at work in the society and government. (England did a quieter investigation at the same time and found about 90 soviet agents working in the government.) The soviets set up a web of interelated goups in the US with “migrating membership” to make investigation difficult. The web of Muslim Brotherhood affiliated groups in the US now looks exactly the same and has the same sort of migrating membership. If they are set up in a way to foil investigation – what is it they don’t want investigated?
I won’t ever believe in an insane total war against all islam. But perhaps it is time to outlaw the muslim brotherhood in america like a few middle eastern countries have had to do.
One thing that would help is to indight every single a-holy man who puts out a fatwa to kill someone. Every one of those fatwas is a conspiracy to commit murder and the home country should be taken to task for not treating them as such.
If you’d appreciate seeing some refreshing outrage relative to Muslim behavior and hypocrisy, watch this…
Austrian MP Ewald Stadler adresses Turkish Ambassador
This was great!!!
It gives me some hope, actually. Thanks for the link.
I think it was G W Bush that said after 9/11 that America is not at war with Islam. But what they fail to admit is, like it or not, Islam is at war with us. Until we face this fact and act accordingly, we will continue losing ground.
We should deport our muslims to Iraq and Eqypt (or any other islamic country of their choice) in exchange for their Christians and Jews. The muslims can live under sharia and the Christians and Jews can live under democracy. Maybe even kick in a couple bucks before we cut off all foreign aid to islamic countries. We don’t need to keep paying the jizya.
waltc:
GWB was the promoter of that infamous phrase “the religion of peace”. I like you idea. All of this “war on terror” would end in one day if we deported all Muslims at once. After all, if their idea of a great society is Islam… what are they doing here? Happy peaceful Islam is waiting for them. Why do they come here to reside among pork-chop eating infidels?
Because they want to convert you,and if they cannot convert you they will kill you.It’s that simple.
At the moment ,they need your dollars.That’s why they are putting up with you for a while.
I read these kind of things and it makes me so mad I have a hard time thinking clearly. Which begs the question, what are the practicle options to fight it?
Step 1: Get rid of the CFR controled State Department, and close the gate.
Step 2: All Mosques searched for weapons, C-4, and hate speech. Any of the stated found, the Mosques gets destroyed, and all that get their arse in the air five times a day to a false moon god deported.
Step 3: Put me in charge before it is to late.
if this keeps up, turning the middle east into a giant plane of glass is a tremendous option
If Jim Crow were deemed part of the “Southern Religion,” would that have made it sacrosanct? Southern dhimmitude for US blacks gets the left in an uproar, but they will excuse Islam-imposed dhimmitude on Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and Christian or animist Africans as somehow justified. They will not realize it before it is too late.
In the future, we will soon hear the leftist lament:
“First they came for the Jews and I was overjoyed to see these Zionist oppressors get defeated…
Then they came for the Christians, and I was so happy to see these racist, sexist, bible-quoting bigots be destroyed…
But then they came for me, how could they? I’m not islamophobic!”
I would love to send these left wing morons to a “peaceful, tolerant” muslim nation where they can be free of the sexism, homphobia and racism that they so despise in the US.
Either Muslims take the path away from the Sons of Allah, or what they threaten will be meted out upon them.
There is no third option.
Why is this Islamic slaughter of Christians being abetted by the American government and the state department. Apparently the radical ground zero imam is on the payroll of Hilary Clinton’s state department. The American Left is also at war with Christianity and sees the Islamic radicals and killers as their natural allies. Go to any Americanized university and you will hear the same anti Christian chants that you hear in Iran.
There is one religion in the world…one…that is looking for a reason to pick a fight. They are spoiling for any reason for a confrontation.
No other major religion on earth is doing this. No other religion is being used to bomb other places of worship, to murder innocent civilians, to torture, behead, and terrorize. Not one.
And it takes the slightest provocation. A word, a phrase, a cartoon, a drawing…no matter how small or trivial, The raging followers of the Religion of Piques will find a reason to act like mindless barbarians.
And we, here in the West…we mount up all our courage and take a deep breath and let out a real, honest to goodness “tsk, tsk”. How positively “men in tights” awe-inspiring is that?
They slaughter anyone who embraces the Old or the New Testament, or both…and we form a committee to issue a stern letter of protest.
They hijack our planes, kidnap its passengers and slam them into our skyscrapers and we form a debate club to decide whether to grope our own genitals or turn ourselves into the UN for not building a victory tower on our own ashes.
And we wonder why they don’t respect us. It’s an absolute mystery to me, we treat ourselves as doormats and wonder why they wipe their feet on us.
Not for nothing, I have come to believe that Islam is basically equivalent to an organized crime syndicate, or a gigantic structure of justification for its followers indulging their basest and most brutal inclinations.
Of course, not all Muslims use Islam in this way (whether their consciences win out over their own religion or simply because they fear just retribution), and of course people have done horrible things in the name of Judaism, Christianity, etc., etc.
The main difference is that no reasonable interpretation of those other religions permits their adherents to brutalize their neighbors and justify rape, murder, torture, blackmail, assault, theft, etc., on the fact that the victims of these crimes weren’t X religion. But Islam specifically does.
Muslims have an incredible amount of blood on their hands, and that will continue no matter what. All of this from the ‘loving’, ‘peaceful’ religion of Islam. And here I sit *STILL* waiting for the so-called moderate Muslims to stand up and denounce such actions. I’m very sure I’ll continue to be disappointed.
That leads me to believe that there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. That leads me to believe that they are *ALL* extremists. After all, if they aren’t actively condemning such actions then that means that they are directly condoning those same abhorrent acts.
‘Loving’ and ‘peaceful’ religion of Islam? More like the hate-filled, genocidal cult of murder otherwise known as Islam. Looks like all this talk of, “We’re at war with terrorists not Islam” is false. Looks more to me like we *ARE* at war with Islam.
The muslim motto:
“Support our peaceful religion or we’ll kill you”
some good agitprop pics
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islam is just another fascist totalitarian ideology disguised as a religion being pushed by hell bent fanatics in yet another attempt at world domination
Religion of peace, my posterior.
Massive numbers of Muslims claiming asylum, pour into Europe and the U.K. But it is persecuted Christians and other non-Muslims who endure horrific suffering in Muslim countries who need asylum!
The deadly, so-called Peace Process intensely pushed by the US/EU/UK is a massive victory for Islam. Against their will, Arab Christians were cruelly placed under brutal occupation of PLO/Palestinian Authority. In the filthy Islamic Invasion of Church of Nativity in Bethlehem, Judea, Muslims tore up Bibles for toilet paper. Christian majority towns, Bethlehem & Nazareth are now majority Muslim – terrified Christians were driven out by cruel Islamic persecution. Many Bethlehem Christians’ homes and land were stolen by Muslims. The Christians who remain, live in constant fear.
Of course, Western leaders knew they would bring terrible suffering to the Christians. Who hates Christians more? Western ruling elites or Muslims? And of course, Western leaders knew their miserable, invented in hell, peace process would bring about mass murder and maiming of Jews. Who hates Jews more? Western ruling elites or Muslims?
esposing just one more in aLONG LIST of hypocrisies of ISLAM – MUSLIMS who love to PROJECT all their mental illness onto others’—these who cry COLLECTIVE PUNISHEMENT are the inventors and users of it DAILY
example: Jews in UK (or Mumbai or anyplace) are targeted for “Israel crimes”, despite the fact they do not vote or participate or are citizen of Israeli NATION
We will NOT WIN – too much of ‘our side” is on “their side”
Geert Wilders is setting up a what he calls an “international freedom alliance”
We that care about what is so clearly at hand and already is happening almost daily, should try to communicate amongst our selves and unite.
We owe it to our children and grand children to NOT let this happen !
Please go visit this link:
http://www.geertwildersifa.com/
It’s the least WE can and should do in a world where every one else seem to not get it or just doesn’t seem to care or whatever it is that keeps one from acting upon danger.
lies!!!! muslims are a people of peace!!!!! or is that piece? piece of anything they can get. Just walking trash trying to spread their pedophile religion.
There are no good muslims, they all believe the qur’an and that puts them all in the same trash can.
Evil is difficult to stomp out, especially when you don’t won’t to hurt their feelings in the process..we are soooooo stupid.
Interesting point, what we appear to have here is “group punishment” for the “Islamic” sins of one individual perceived by Muslims to be violating the social mores of Islam. Hum, I wonder how that can square with, say, the West’s rule of law and prohibition against group punishments and bill of attainders under the laws of war and the Geneva Conventions? Of course, in war, what goes around comes around, tit for tat. Two can play that game. So I guess the West can start packing up Muslims for forced deportations, right?
forced deportations…sounds good to me. Sorry, but sometimes you got to fight fire with fire. rather be a living and free ‘big ole meannie’ than a dead infidel. what else do you suggest? wait til the kill a few thousand more of us? wait until isreal is wiped off the map? wait til they have a nuke? what? what would satisfy your nobility to allow us to defend ourselves? do they have to enslave the planet AGAIN for you think its ok to fight back? im curious and want the answer? how many more must die or be enslaved before you think its ok to do something?
Nothing will be done by the West until enough American blood has been spilled here. When America as a whole sees the threat as existential something might happen but not until then. The Fort Hood murders were caused by Obama’s see-no-Islam policy which was started by Bush. Keeping this policy in place will ensure more bloodshed here. If the stupid left is still in charge, nothing will be done.
This is why it is important to deport Muslims from non Muslim lands. They can reach Kuffars here amongst us.
The Suicide Bomber is their ICBM….but their ICBM deliver system is neutralized when they cant freely walk among us.
BTW, Christian asylum seekers in Scandanavia have been violently attacked at the fascilities used to house asylum seekers who are awaiting due proecess.
Meanwhile, The President of the United States, who claims to be Christian does nothing to defend the faith and sings the praises of Islam. The POTUS is not a Christian. The VPOTUS is a pro-abortion Catholic who doesn’t defend the faith. The soon to be ex-Speaker of the House of Representatives is a pro-abortion Catholic who doesn’t defend the faith. Islam, the religion of terror, has a friend in the Obama administration and the Democrat Party in its war against Christianity.
But wait … I thought they’d greet the west as liberators and iraq would be a center of peace, democracy and stability. What changed?
I reckon we just arrange to get all the christians out of iraq. Resettle them as refugees. If somebody has a better idea, let’s hear it.
Arm them so heavy the ROP runs to their ugly mommie.
Word.
Actually, Matthew, I have propounded just that before, so you and I are in agreement. How about that? Who says Right and Left cannot find common ground?
We could swap. They can have our Muslims, and we can have their Christians.
yeah..remove christians and other religions from the area..bomb the daylights out of it to kill every muslim and resettle. I for 1 would love to see a starbucks made from an old muslim temple
Matthew, not every conservative believed that the US would be welcomed as a liberator, but yes, I’ll admit that too many of us did. I opposed both Gulf Wars, and have consistently opposed the war in Afghanistan. In all three instances, we do no more than shore up corrupt dictators and religious fanatics, who will democratically vote in Sharia law. I didn’t care about the gold-plated despots of Kuwait in the 1st Gulf War, or the faux democrats of the 2nd.
I was for going after the Taliban for supporting bin laden, and for going after bin laden himself, doing it surgically and then getting out, but we are in quicksand now, and the only one’s who benefit are the Islamists and our own arms manufacturers. Our economy crumbles under the weight of these fiascos and our children die in these 7th century cesspools – only to install with our own blood and treasure bigots who hate all that we are.
Please don’t paint every conservative with the same brush.
Islamic terrorists are amazing. They are able to murder so many people without the Liberals noticing!
And yet nobody cares. Im athiests and it seems I care more about christians being murdered than christians do. Muslims kill everyone and yet we are told we have to tolerate them because of so called ‘moderates’. where the hell are these moderates? where is their outrage at the killing of innocent people simply due to their religios beliefs? where is the ACLU, or any of the other so called ‘human rights’ organizations? Ill tell you. they are either cowards or sympathisers and supporters. PERIOD! they are only concerned when the evil christians say something possibly mean, not when muslims actually kill. christians say they are gainst homosexuals…screams of intolerace are heard from the left. Musims KILL homosexuals and you hear the roar of silence. 1 guy burns a koan..madness ensues..someone torches a church…nothing. wake up people! whan are you going to realize that you cannot and do not negotiate or tolerate muslims? wen do you figure out that muslims will kill or enslave you at first opportunity? we need to start killing them back! thats right KILL THEM. the so called moderate muslims either need to join us in the fight or join their brothers in hell. no more siting on the sidelines crying about ‘intolerance’ we need to wipe islam out!
Why are we still in the phase trying to convince and accept the fact that Islam is what it is and Muslims are what they are?
They’ve been killing infidels since the beginning of Islam, and Dar al-Islam is well on its way to be completed.
The question we should really be asking is: What are we going – willing – to do about the threat of Islam and Muslims?
Russian solution to the Somali pirate problem:
http://true-turtle.livejournal.com/85315.html
“The soldiers freed their compatriots and the tanker. The Russian Navy Commandos moved the pirates back to their own (pirate) ship, searched the pirate ship for weapons and explosives, and then they left the ship and exploded it with all remaining pirates hand-cuffed to it.”
The indigenous, conquered Christians of Egypt, are living in the garbage. For the grief stricken Christian families whose beloved daughters were kidnapped by Muslim men, the pain is unbearable. The Christians are terrified the Muslims will kidnap their remaining daughter(s).
New Documentary on Muslim Kidnapping and Humiliation of Christian Copts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5TJ962yi7w&feature=player_embedded
Non-Muslims – Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, et al, live in daily fear in many Muslim countries, In France, as in other European countries, non-Muslims suffer daily threats and violence from Muslim immigrants.
Muslims vs. French School System
by Soeren Kern
November 24, 2010
The secular nature of France’s public education system is being increasingly undermined by religious demands from Muslim pupils and parents, according to a new report drafted by the French government. The report says that teachers in schools with a high proportion of Muslim children are being threatened on an almost daily basis by Muslims who object to courses about the Holocaust, the Crusades or evolution, and who demand halal meals and “reject French culture and its values.”
During Ramadan, some Muslim students harass others who do not observe the annual daytime fast, the report says. Boys who identify themselves as Muslims and reject French values harass girls who do well in class as “collaborators” with the “dirty French.”
Teachers often are forced to relent and give up on lessons out of fear: their insistence on following the contents of lessons and offering counter-arguments regularly leads to threats and violence from children who repeat their beliefs in a dogmatic manner that excludes any possibility of discussion. This same spirit of rebellion, according to the report, hinders efforts to impose discipline in general.
http://www.hudson-ny.org/1678/muslims-vs-french-school-system
What is the shocking, anti-freedom response of Europe’s leaders? Bring in even more Muslims.
And yet we, in the west, are constantly being chided and lectured about our “Islamophobia”, for attributing the behavior of ‘a few radicals’ to Islam itself.
Hypocrisy or exquisite irony?
…and the mainstream media in the US is reporting the heck out of this story…NOT.
I reciently got a call from Doctors withot Borders THey were looking to help the people in Pakastan where they had severe flooding. I told the caller I wouldn’t help them because they and their children would be coming to kill me and my children. I said I hoped the floods got worse. I then asked why I haven’t heard about all the money the Muslems were sending to them. He gasped. THey aren’t getting another penny out of me unless I’m assured the money is spent on helping only those I earmark it for. THe caller gasped. We need to stop sending our meney to organizations that help Muslems, esp UN , Drs without BOrders,and othre i such charities if we don’t know exactly where the money is going, and make the Muslems send their own money The other alternative is we can watch them die It makes no differance to me.
Halal Food Fight and Worse in the U.K. due to Sharia, الشريعة الإسلامي
For the uninitiated, all of us infidels, ”Halal (Arabic:حلال, ḥalāl; means lawful or legal) a term designating any object or an action which is permissible to use or engage in, according to Islamic law. It is the opposite of haraam. The term is used to designate food seen as permissible according to Islamic law (Sharia, الشريعة الإسلامية).” (Wikipedia)
Got that? Apparently they don’t in the formerly Great Britain where a classic food fight is in progress pitting Christians against Muslims. Like so many other Christian-Muslim battles, tugs of war, especially in the U.K., the Muslims are winning.
The terms ”Great” Britain and ”United” Kingdom are fast becoming anachronistic for many reasons, not the least of which is England’s huge influx of Muslims from all over the globe, Muslims who have since been flexing their Islamic muscles. The latest field of battle is the arena of halal-approved foods and if it’s true that we are what we eat, Brit infidels will soon be converting to the religion of Allah, not without some resistance, however.
“A Christian organization in Britain has launched a petition campaign aimed at defending the right of those who for religious, moral or other reasons do not want to eat meat slaughtered according to Islamic law (shari’a).”
The people at Operation Nehemiah, named after the son of Hakaliah and meaning “Yahweh comforts,” have been getting precious little comfort lately. They’re acting as if the U.K. is still a Christian country, a fantasy dispelled even by the Archbishop of Canterbury, and a free country, which is becoming more and more disputable. Still, the Nehemiahs maintain the quaint notion that infidel Brits should be entitled to eat what they want rather than eat what Muslims want them to eat.
What’s this world coming to? Operation Nehemiah thinks it knows: “It argues that the mainstreaming of halal across the world constitutes part of a global Islamization drive:” http://tiny.cc/ti3ro
To be crude, “No sheat, Nehemiah sherlocks!”
The halal issue came to light in the most unlikely of British places, the House of Commons, when lawmakers discovered that, unbeknownst to them, they had been scarfing down halal poultry for an unknown period of time.
As Seinfeld might say, “Not that there’s anything wrong with that” since halal dietary laws are little different from kashrut or what we call Jewish kosher food. The sticking point, the sticky wicket, as Brits say, is that the chefs in the Commons’ eatery failed to inform their customers that they were the subjects of a P.C. movement as well as being the subjects of Her Majesty.
As Conservative MP from East Yorkshire, Greg Knight, indignantly objected, . . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=2924)
Islam of terrorism,is not the real ideological and historical Islam.Through out 14 centuries Islam coexisted with other religions Christianity ,Judaesm and others,while Christianity did not do so in Europe .On the eve of the 16 th century ,Christians persecuted ,killed and deported both Moslems and Jews out of Spain .The Ottoman Empiies opened to receive and resettle them .The terrorist Islam is the Qaeda or the Wahabi Salafi .As a Qaeda it is an ennemy to the US and the west ,while itself as Wahabi Salafi is an ally to the US and the west as well!!.Wiki Leaks published cables about the coopperation of the Pakistani intelligence ISI and Taliban ,and it is no secret that ISI is the best friend of the US in the region!The Taliban religious schools are funded by Saudi Arabia the best ally,and they graduate Taliban fighters.So the US fights Taliban and Qaeda in Afganistan and her ally supports producing more of them.
We can say clearly that the terrorist Islam is the Islam supported by the US,it is perplexing,yes .Do you see any difference between Bush and Ben Laden ?No difference a US Christian and a US M moslem
Islam peacefully co-existed with other religions? Really? Let’s ask the Zoroastrians in Persia about that. Perhaps the Hindi? The Christian Copts in Egypt? The Jews in… well, every Muslim country. We can ask the folks in the Philippines about the Moros (muslims) tribesmen. Dhimmitude is not a new practice, but rather, something commanded by Mohammed himself.
We can also discuss the massive Muslim Arab slave trade throughout the centuries. We can ask India about the several wars Muslim Pakistan has waged against her and the constant infiltration of her border with Pakistan every Winter by jihadists intent on killing Hindi.
In almost every conflict around the world, Islam is involved. Rwanda, Darfur, et cetera? Islam engaging in genocide. Again and again and again, it is Islam.
Even in Western Europe, which threw open its doors to Islam, they engage in conflict on the small scale. They brutalize their hosts. They terrorize the people locally.
So, Jamil, I would seriously re-think your adherence to Islamic doctrine if you truly value peace. Islam is a religion of violence and a theocratic system from the its inception. Mohammed was a warlord.
what a lovely STORY- yes story- that revisonist history you recite is about as real as Santa Claus and tinkerbelle
WE who do know history do not have to accept your revisionist history of the golden age- yes it may have been for the conquering MUSLIMS. It was not so for the conquered and dhimmified- oooh what a privilege to serve MUSLIMS? to walk beneath them? to you yes, that’s the RIGHT PATH, you of the arrogant superiority complex of ISLAM– for us NOT SO MUCH- and for the people of SPAIN? – wonder why if it was so great and all UNDER islamic RULERS—soon as they could they KILLED YOU AND GOT RID OF YOU —and I promise we will do so again as you cannot keep from IMPOSING yourselves on us
To the sharmuta I mean Shakeera post at top—- you are the one who needs education- we know enough about ISLAM and none of it is as you say here. NONE of it. Tell it to the people you call “bad Muslims” because for sure they are destroying trust among the world’s people for ALL MUSLIMS – and you will ALL pay for their actions if you dont stop them
Muslims learn a false religion about a false G-d, learn nothing about history but lies and then try and SELL that MYTH to us- it wont work – we dont buy it we dont want it and if you persist in forcing it you will not be happy with waht we dish BACK
the problem is we do KNOW history
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2010/08/media-myth-of-cordoba.html
http://www.politicalislam.com/tears/pages/tears-of-jihad/
Tears of Jihad.
These figures are a rough estimate of the death of non-Muslims by the political act of jihad.
For 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have an estimated death of about 120 million people. Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa.
120 million Africans
60 million Christians
The country of India today is only half the size of ancient India, due to jihad. The mountains near India are called the Hindu Kush, meaning the “funeral pyre of the Hindus.”
80 million Hindus
In jihad only Christians and Jews were allowed to survive as dhimmis (servants to Islam); everyone else had to convert or die. Jihad killed the Buddhists in Turkey, Afghanistan, along the Silk Route, and in India.
10 million Buddhists
This gives a rough estimate of 270 million killed by jihad.
http://www.politicalislam.com/tears/pages/tears-of-jihad/
Bible: Genesis 4:10 And God said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood cries out to Me from the ground.”
I often hear people on sites like this call for a total war against islam or reprisals. First of all it would be physically impossible and more importantly the reason for muslim atrocities is to make their enemies say such things so they can turn to use those statements to drive wedges between muslims and the rest of the world.
And as far as not giving aid- if we don’t give “aid” then other countries will move in and usurp our leverage so that’s not a good option either.
I don’t believe it is time or ever will be time for a physical war against islam. I do agree with the idea that it is well past time for a second UN composed only of solid democracies and if that thrives and stays clear of corruption we should just scrap our support of the current UN.