I see you’re still playing dodge ball. Oh well, on to your last comments. A lot of Americans are probably uninformed about Islam. I believe most haven’t read the Koran and as such cannot make an informed opinion about that faith. I think those individuals also include you. I’ve asked you in my past few posts to provide quotes from the Koran that support your position “Everything Muhammad dis {I think you meant did} was for his benefit first and foremost”. You suggested that the majority of the Koran supports this position. That means that at least 58 suwar should support your position. So where are those quotes? I went back and read you older posts and noticed that there are grammatical errors that are identical to those posted by other posters. Are you actually reading those suwar from the Koran, or are you just cutting and pasting someone else’s opinion? I appreciate it’s easier to simply believe what you want to believe but that type of mindset comes at the expense of learning. Perhaps you should instead try researching the religion of Islam. The primary focus of that research should be the Koran. Not this website or the opinions of other posters but the actual religious text of that faith.

Now it’s been my experience on this website that when I disprove someone’s beliefs using science those individuals tend to resort to childish personal attacks. A more productive response on your part would have been to produce those quotes I’ve asked for. I’m not trying to brainwash anyone. My main point has always been that religion is NOT the problem, terrorists are. I proven that islamic-terrorism is not responsible for most terrorism, that other religions have been used to justify terrorism, and even forced you to admit that most Muslims are not terrorists but are in fact their victims.

Furthermore, I’ve pointed out repeatedly that at no time have I ever made any apologizes for terrorism or written any support for any terrorist organizations. Can you cite any comment I’ve written that disproves that? No you can’t. You on the other hand have made repeated excuses for the christian-terrorist organization the KKK.

Finally, my solution to terrorism is to use the military, intelligence, police, and the public to find and destroy terrorist organizations. It’s interesting that I’ve asked you this question before and your responses have always been to demonstrate your hatred of Muhammad and not terrorists. I’m sure that’s very comforting to Al-Qaeda.

My solution to Islamic terror is to destroy the ‘moral’ foundation, the big lie, upon which Islam is built.

My solution is to expose, discredit and thoroughly disgrace the ‘holy prophet’ Muhammed with his own words, deeds and actions.

My solution is to use the wrecking ball of education to knock down the walls of ignorance, taqiyya and kitman that protect Islam, and to blast Islam with the cleansing light of the truth.

Like a vampire, Islam recoils, burns and dies when it is exposed to the light of the truth.

Islam cannot withstand the truth. Islam knows this.

That is my solution. What’s yours? Group hugs and kumbaya? Islam doesn’t care about group hugs and kumbaya.

What’s your solution “Mr. Islampendant”?

~The Infidel Alliance

A lot of Americans may still be naive, indeed ignorant about the real truth about Islam, Muhammed and the doctrine of Jihad. But this will not last forever. I used to believe the “Islam is a Religion of Peace” propaganda until I did my own objective research.

We are an intelligent, literate culture and, as I did, more and more of us are educating ourselves about this brutal cult and rejecting its propaganda and spin.

“Mr. Independant”, your Islamists days of playing a Muhammedan Obi Wan Kenobi are over. Don’t expect to wave your hand and think we will just accept your “Islam is not the religion you want” brainwashing.

Mr. Independant….you are now on my expose’ list. Wherever I find your Islamist support and apologetics and denial, I will counter with the undeniable truth directly from Islamic sources.

Game on.

~ The Infidel Alliance

Wow, you’ve met all of the world’s 1.5 BILLION Muslims!!! Perhaps they can help you find the (at least) 58 suwar that you suggest prove your beliefs about Muhammad. All kidding aside, if you’re done playing dodge ball, I am interested in those quotes.

Finally if can stop paying lip service to honesty, perhaps you can answer the following question:
If Muhammad really is the problem with islamic-terrorism, what is your solution?

Within Islam there are only:

1) Islamists (the violent Jihadists) who embrace the violence and intolerance of Muhammed & the Koran

2) Islamist sympathyzers who do not commit outward acts of violence but facilitate the Jihad, like CAIR.

3) Islamic apostates (the ‘good peaceful Muslims’) who reject the violence and intolerance of Muhammed & the Koran, but are trapped within Islam by death fatwa.

We can see through your taqiyya and kitman. It is abundantly clear that you are an Islamist sympathyzer (#2 above).

~The Infidel Alliance

And you were making such progress. First you stopped overtly blaming all Muslims, then you stopped subtly blaming all Muslims, and you almost stopped hating Muslims…but not quite. What a pity.

I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt though, since I did make a grammatical error in my last post which I’ll correct now. Correction: Post #206 Should have read “If Muhammad were alive today and were to engage in all of the actions that are metaphorically described in the Koran, then yes I would describe him as sadistic. It should be noted (as I posted earlier), that I would also have to describe the actions of Abraham and Muhammad’s contemporary rivals (like Emperor Heraclius) as the same. Furthermore labeling him evil or a sociopath would be inappropriate since his actions were not for his benefit.“

Once again I’m not sympathizing with Christian or Islamic terrorism. You’ll note that not once have I made any excuses for the actions of the KKK or Al-Qaeda. You can’t say that.

Ok now you’re playing dodge ball. The establishment of a moral code that emphasizes caring for those less fortunate is certainly not for a single person’s benefit. And if you’re claiming that the Koran proves that Muhammad was interested only in himself you should be able to cite at least 58 suwar to prove it. I’ll be waiting for those quotes BTW.

Having multiple wives was a cultural norm of the time. One that predated Muhammad. In the Bible Solomon had quite a few wives. In the Bible if you didn’t submit to ‘God’s will’ you were killed as well. In both cases I believe the stories are metaphorical. But we’ve already been over that. TIA, YOU need to do a better job of reading my posts. I never wrote that you stated “Muslims are the biggest victims of “Islamic-terror”. It’s interesting that after I’m undermined all of your positions you now resort to dishonesty. What a pity.

Islam like Christianity and Judaism is a religion of peace. It has been twisted by some for evil purposes but the bigger danger are individuals that want to twist it even more to use as a scapegoat for all the world’s ills. TIA if you were to take one of Hitler’s speeches to the Reichstag and replaced Jew with Muslim how much of what he said would seem perfectly normal to you?

Finally, since it’s not so clear to you; terrorists don’t need justification to commit acts of terrorism. The final comment from your last post sounds like a justification for what sounds like a hatred of Muslims.

It is exactly in the same way the Manson Family of terrorists found inspiration and justification for their terror in their ‘prophet’ Charles Manson.

Clear???

~ The Infidel Alliance

Which is it??? Sadist or not? You’re playing dodgeball again. You say:

“If Muhammad were alive today and were to engage in all of the actions that are metaphorically described in the Koran, then YES I WOULD DESCRIBE HIM AS SADISTIC.”

Followed by:

“Furthermore LABELING HIM evil and SADISTIC WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE since his actions were not for his benefit.”

So…Muhammed is a sadist, but it is inappropriate to call him a sadist. Brilliant!
This is the logic of an Islamist apologist and Islamist sympathyzer.(yes…I’m talking about you)

And are you serious when you say “his (Muhammeds) actions were not for his benefit”??
Everything Muhammed dis was for his benefit first and foremost. He was obsessed with stealing booty and getting booty, and obsessed with himself. Like most twisted sociopaths, Muhammed was a classic narcissist whose primary interest was himself.

Prime examples are when he and his marauders were terrorizing trade caravans, Muhammed got a greater share of the booty than his henchmen. And, of course, “the Prophet” could have 12 wives, but his inferiors submissive followers could only have 4. If you didn’t submit to Muhammed and his evil creed, you got killed or subjugated.

“Mr. Independant”, you need to do a better job reading what I write. I didn’t say Muslims are the biggest victims of “Islamic-terror”, I said they are the biggest victims of ISLAM, and that is what I meant.

Islam is the terrorist creed founded by the terrorist Muhammed, that has been terrorizing ‘infidel’ and ‘peaceful Muslims’ for 1,400 years, and will continue to terrorize ‘infidels’ and ‘peaceful Muslims’.

Islam the religion/spiritual philosophy/social system/political system is evil, violent & sadistic at it’s core, as was Muhammed……which is why true followers of Islam, by extension true followers of Muhammed, are evil, violent & sadistic (like “Good American” Muslim Dr. Major Nidal Hassan, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Osama bin Laden, Richard ‘shoe-bomber’ Reid, Mohammed Atta, and on, and on, and on…..).

~The Infidel Alliance

Once again I’m not dogging any questions. As I stated in my last post, if you feel that I am, then state specifically what question you feel that I’m evading. For the record I make it a point to refute point for point specific items from your posts that I disagree with and don’t dodge questions.

Now you stated in your last post that you were not going to compare an imperfect human being with Jesus Christ (who is a perfect being). Yet your very next comment did just that. You’ve been very disingenuous with that statement and ‘question’. However, in the interest of progressing this dialogue I’ll answer that question again. If Muhammad were alive today and were to engage in all of the actions that are metaphorically described in the Koran, then yes I would describe him as sadistic. It should be noted (as I posted earlier), that I would also have to describe the actions of Abraham and Muhammad’s contemporary rivals (like Emperor Heraclius) as the same. Furthermore labeling him evil and sadistic would be inappropriate since his actions were not for his benefit.

Despite all of those errors on your part there is one area that you should be very proud of. The evolution of your position has apparently made clear to you that Muslims are in fact the biggest victims of islamic-terrorism. The only final correction I would make is to point out that I never accused you of anything. I pointed out YOUR statements to you and illustrated why they are wrong and my hope that they will change.

Finally, I’d like to close this post by asking you; why is it more important for you to blame a long dead prophet, then to blame the actual terrorists that are responsible for the violence of today?