Is Time Rooting for Israel’s Defeat?
Has Time magazine joined the ranks of Hamas and come out in favor of the destruction of Israel? Probably not, but what else is a reader to think after just the first couple paragraphs of this Tim McGirk story from last week? You’d think McGirk’s story couldn’t get any worse than the headline — “Can Israel Survive Its Assault on Gaza? — but you’d be wrong. Read:
With each passing day, Israel’s war against Hamas grows riskier and more punishing, with the gains appearing to diminish compared to the spiraling costs — to Israel’s moral stature, to the lives of Palestinian civilians and to the world’s hopes that an ancient conflict can ever be resolved.
That’s pure, and unsubstantiated, conjecture. No sources, no facts, no figures. And in a news piece. You’d think things really couldn’t get worse from there, but you’d be wrong again. Read a little further down:
But after 60 years of struggle to defend their existence against foreign threats and enemies within, many Israelis may be wondering, Where does that end lie? The threat posed by Hamas is only the most immediate of the many interlocking challenges facing Israel, some of which cast dark shadows over the long-term viability of a democratic Jewish state.
Go back and read that again. That pounding you hear isn’t just a headache, it’s the drumbeat of surrender. McGirk has, somehow, turned a fairly limited incursion into Gaza — which Israel occupied in its entirety for almost 30 years — into a referendum on the very existence of the Jewish state.
Notice again that McGirk hasn’t quoted any actual Israelis, or anyone else for that matter. He’s simply asserted that “many” Jews “may be wondering” if there’s any “long-term viability.” McGirk is making stuff up and reporting it as news. And his editors at Time seem to be fine with that. But don’t be surprised — McGirk and Time have quite the history of making stuff up together.
McGirk was the “journalist” who “broke” the “story” of the “massacre” by U.S. Marines at Haditha, Iraq. In fact, he fought with his editors to get the word “massacre” in the lede of the story, calling it “a battle I lost.” A good thing, too, because the story of the Haditha Massacre has been proven to be a fake.
Stephen,you are beating a dead horse…I picked up a copy of Time a few days ago…light as a feather
You mean there was a time when Time (and NewsWeak) were _not_ on the side of Hamas? Who knew?
Time Magazine is irrelevant.
Time Magazine is a waste of time. And Joe Klein should should have his mouth washed out with a brillo pad.
Has anyone actually seen a Time magazine anywhere other than in a doctor’s waiting room? I give it a year or two, tops.
Time Magazine is garbage.
i haven’t seen or read time magazine since my last trip to the dentist. and, the only reason i look at it there is because its always the only one remaining unhandled on that square table.
My parents were longtime subscribers. They eventually dumped it in favor of Insight magazine, refusing to fund evil.
Time magazine used to cost $0.25 at the news stand. I read it once. If it were still a quarter, I still wouldn’t read it again.
“Time Magazine is irrelevant.”
This is not quite accurate. Time Magazine and the other MSM outlets are still very dangerous. The majority of Americans remain under their nefarious influence. We are indeed winning the struggle—but it’s not over with yet.
The leftist media inherently believes that the United States and its allies should never win any battles. Our enemies are virtually always victims of our racism and imperialism. The dark skinned Palestinian extremists have allegedly been crapped on by the white Israelis. There is some anti-Semitism within the ranks of the MSM, but race guilt is far more important factor.
Anyone remember back in the mid 1970s when Time announced it was adopting “interpretive journalism?” You know, readers weren’t there but reporters were so reporters are smarter than readers? That’s what Time’s few remaining readers are getting: an elitist world view poisoned by class warfare ideology.
Give it a few months. Your Congressmen and Senators will be wringing their hands and trying to rationalize a bailout for this “indispensible American institution that cannot be allowed to die”.
Time’s editors are as biased and as clueless as the editors of most of America’s daily “newspapers”. They write/print their gibberish in a leftist echo chamber, never realizing they have lost connection with most of America, not to mention any morals or principles they may have once had.
Here’s a job for a real reporter:
This requires an official response from the Saudi government.
http://israelinsider.ning.com/profiles/blogs/hamas-tv-jews-are-enemies-of
Dr. Walid Al-Rashudi, head of the Department of Islamic Studies at Saud University in Saudi Arabia, has been caught on tape in a speech broadcast last week on Hamas TV. He is quoted as saying: “Jews are the enemies of Allah,” and therefore by definition are the enemies of all Muslims, and prayed for God to “Kill them one by one and don’t leave even one.”
If this happened, and if this individual is indeed a prominent Saudi scholar, is either an enormous embarrassment to Saudi Arabia, or an indicator that their alleged education reforms are not as represented in the United States.
http://www.saudi-us-relations.org/articles/2006/ioi/060608p-saudi-textbooks.html
According to the map accompaning the article in the hard copy of the magazine, there are 5.4 million Jews west of the Jordan, and 5.5 million Arabs. I had previously heard this diplomatic balance was set to tip around 2020, not 2008. So that’s a very interesting factoid.
Not that too many people reading Pajamas would care.
But they should — demography is destiny.
The media has been in the tank for the Palestinians since it started glorifying “Chairman” Arafat, and his happy band of terrorists, back in the 70′s.
They were also in favor of the Ayatalloh taking over in Iran, and ousting that horrid, dictatorial Shah. And we all know how well that worked out!
Whoops, I meant “previously heard this DEMOGRAPHIC balance was set to tip around 2020.”
Leaving aside media’s traditional liberal/left-wing gesticulation, now outfits like Times, LAT or NYT, due to their dwindling circulation have to deliberately cater to more specialized readership, i.e. liberal/lef-wing – often times drifting to Daily Kos-like positions.
For this reason, I think that in the next few years the entire traditional media, TV or news-print will be solidly left-oriented – the silver lining here being that very much of the new communications ventures (Internet, Internet TV, books, possibly motion pictures), will address the concerns & views of those left in the rain, i.e. of right-wing/conservative persuasions.
Come on, Steven, that’s not a question; it’s a fact and it’s 26 years old, back to the ‘blood
libel’ story on Sharon, which supposedly rationalized Sabra and Shatilla, as the subsequent libel case proved. clearly Henry Luce is ‘rolling over in his grave’ over what has happened to his publication.
The far-left elites at Time magazine are simply following the European model of anti-Semitism. Let’s face it, there is no love for Israel in Europe and the far-left liberal elites in the American press probably think that if condemning Israel is acceptable to the “enlightened” Europeans, then it must be right for the mainstream media to promote it here in the United States. But what is even more sickening are two major points: First, if Israel disappeared tomorrow, the Middle East would still be a political basket case, the only difference being that warring Muslim factions would be slaughtering each other just like they did before there even was an Israeli state. The other point is that no matter how much sympathy you give Middle Eastern Muslims, no matter how much you try and portray them as “victims,” no matter how much Western journalists try to get their readers or viewers to “empathise” with the “plight” of those poor, disadvantaged, Palestinians, those same Middle Eastern Muslims will still hate, loath, and detest all Westerners and Christians. They may use our media for their propaganda purposes, but they will always hate the non-Muslims, be they Christians, Hindus, or Jews. We are, and always will be, “infidels” to them and no amount of sucking up from the Western media is going to change that. And those politically correct Europeans who think that aligning themselves with Muslims will spare them from future terrorist attacks, dream on. The Europeans are bending over backwards not to criticize, insult, let alone attack, any radical Muslims. And what has it gotten them? There are still terrorist cells in Europe actively planning terrorist attacks on European soil. So much for appeasing these murderers. Pity the editorial board at Time Magazine can’t see that. But, in the long run, it doesn’t really matter. Far-left publications like Time, Newsweek, and the New York Times are financial disasters and may not even be here next year. I guess their biased excuse for “news” isn’t that popular after all. It just shows you that people don’t want publications to substitute their editorial opinions for hard news. If Time, Newsweek, and the New York Times don’t get this fact very soon, Americans will go (and rightfully so) to other media outlets (such as the Internet) for their news.
I don’t think you need to read Time Magazine to see Israel’s response has gone too far. Last I heard there were over 900 Palestinians dead and only a handful of Israelis. Israel has an early warning system. Israelis have shelters. The people in Gaza don’t have anywhere to go.
Now don’t take this to mean I’m defending Hamas. NO way. Hamas is a militant organization and virtually holds Gaza captive. They purposely fired these missiles to provoke Israel. The response was expected and Hamas is looking forward to martyrdom like the little cowards they are. Sadly, they are taking a lot of innocent people with them. And the survivors are going to grow up hating Israel. Someone somewhere has to say enough like Sadat did.
If Joe Klein worked for a real news organization, he might be dangerous. But Time is run by a bunch of 4th graders (or at least it reads that way), so both are of no real consequence.
Apologies to all real 4th graders
I wrote about Time’s comparison of Obama with Jesus Christ back in November…
(http://halcrawford.blogspot.com/2008_11_01_archive.html#5759488728302786499)
I would like to say that they’re dead or dying, but I think they’re prime candidates for a government bailout.
Keep the champaigne corked for now.
First the Saturday-goers, then the Sunday-goers
Isslam must be stopped.
Let’s roll.
Time Magazine = MSM = irrelevant/biased/substandard reporting = disregarded by this poster for quite some time now
This was really well-written I thought. Nice job, Mr. Green. David Thomson is a lot right I think and it’s still a valuable thing to keep an eye on these sick in the head newsrelics even if their readership is largely piteous nonthinker people.
What’s a magazine?
No, seriously.
What is a magazine?
Anyone else think that cover looks like a concentration camp?
The Time writers such as you cite are the reason I suspended my subscription several decades (!) ago.
When I was a regular reader and subscriber, there were a few occasions when I had actual knowledge of a story they were writing about, and I was shocked at the slant I was getting.
Have any of those guys read the Hamas Charter or watched any of the “kill Jews” cartoons shown to 3 year olds in Gaza ? (never mind, it’s all utterly hopeless, trying to penetrate the skull of the self-anointed, élitist ideologue)
Taliban as fellow travelers, and, you know, gee whiz, guys, just like us with goals and aspirations and junque ? Sure, those charming people want all of Pakistan and, recently, slaughtered an entire village of human beings suspected of collaborating with “the enemy”, which I guess would be what’s left of the Pakistani gov’t or the Americans in the region.
I recommend Time (and Newsweek) writers for a little Taliban punishment, Koran style.
Is anyone with even a half a brain be surprised that Time continues to distort reality? Time showed the American public a totally different Vietnam than the one I and most who ere there saw while on the ground in Vietnam. What Time depicted was not reality. It appears (as I have not picked up a Time in over 29 years as a personal form of protest to their distortion of the truth) that nothing has changed with that magazine.
Maybe it makes good “Outhouse” material but what else I really can not fathom.
In defense of dental offices, we cancelled TIME but the mailman keeps bringing it! Must be a virus.
I don’t think you need to read Time Magazine to see Israel’s response has gone too far. Last I heard there were over 900 Palestinians dead and only a handful of Israelis.
You absorb 3,000 rocket strikes in your hometown and see how you feel about things. Send your kids to school in armored buses and then rationalize a response. Abandon the top floor of your house because you wouldn’t have time to reach the basement when the rocket alarm sounds and then analyze your opinions.
Protecting your people isn’t a game of numbers, get a clue.
As I have always told my (now grown) children, Time isn’t a news magazine, it’s a comic book.
Cancelled my subscription years ago. What once was, supposedly, a “news” magazine became a soapbox for the opinions of the editors and reporters. I want my news delivered unbiased, unfiltered and understandible. In its past, Time, at least, was an entertaining read but has since become a humorless, biased, shallow magazine with a severely distorted myopic view of the world.
” ‘With each passing day, Israel’s war against Hamas grows riskier and more punishing, with the gains appearing to diminish compared to the spiraling costs — to Israel’s moral stature, to the lives of Palestinian civilians and to the world’s hopes that an ancient conflict can ever be resolved.’
That’s pure, and unsubstantiated, conjecture. No sources, no facts, no figures. And in a news piece.”
Do you honestly think it is conjecture to suggest that the Gaza offensive is damaging Israel’e moral stature. Let’s be honest, right-leaning media such as pajamas media have spilled immense amounts of ink and keystrokes cataloging the (real or perceived) anti-Israel bias among most nations, global institutions and large media oranizations. I would wager that most pajamas media readers agree with the assesment that most national governments and media outlets are anti-Israel. Therefore, from that vantage point, don’t you think that any Israeli military offensive cannot but serve to further damage Israel’s moral stature in the eyes of most of the rest of the world? It might not be fair and these nations and institutions might be heavily biased against Israel to begin with, but that doesn’t change the fact that any military action by Israel can only serve to further erode Israel’s moral stature. And as far as the spiraling cost in civilian Palestian lives is concerned, do you really need facts and figures to prove this? Is it not safe to assume that the longer the conflict endures the more lives will be lost, regardless of whether they are civilian or combatant? That’s just the nature of war.
If you believe that the focus of the cited paragraph is motivated by an anti-Israeli bias and that the real focus should be on Hamas’ terrorist actions that precipitated this conflict, that’s one thing. But that doesn’t render the information presented in the paragraph inaccurate.
I subscribed to TIME for years, then I realized around 2005 that it didn’t report news anymore, just tiresome anti-Bush, anti-Iraq War pieces*. So I cancelled. Its downfall was curiously coincident with that of Andrew Sullivan.
*nothing wrong per se with being anti-Bush or anti-Iraq War; it’s a free country. I just didn’t want to pay to read those views.
Excellent analysis, Steve, as usual. Any chances you’ll be drunkblogging the inauguration? I know it’s a bit early in the day, but we’ve missed you since the debates ended. Or Hilary’s confirmation hearings. That would be a blast. If only I didn’t have this stinkin day job.
It seems that, after it’s latest relentless assault on truth, honest reporting, professional journalism, and western values in general, in face of its vastly shrinking readership and revenue, maybe it is time for Time Magazine to consider whether its existence is really sustainable or even relevant.
I say it should surrender, and perhaps sell itself out to Al-Jazeera or even Pravda.
I am really getting miffed with the ridiculous statement that 900 “Palestinians” have been killed – most of the 900 were Hamas terrorists – so who cares??????? Nobody would be killed, wounded, or maimed if Hamas had stopped, or would stop, its bombardment of Israel. Get a grip people. As the incoming American president said, if someone was sending rockets into an area where his children were living then he would retaliate just as Israel is doing. This isn’t rocket science – just common sense.
For seven years Israel has tolerated Hamas’ rockets – they have killed, maimed, and psychologically damaged the populations of Sderot, Ashkelon, and the surrounding areas. Now, it has had enough.
If the people of Gaza don’t have bomb shelters that is hardly Israel’s problem – Israel provides her people with shelters, medical aid, etc. – Hamas provides the people of Gaza with guns, rockets, and death.
If Demography is Destiny, then the Muslims have already won and conquered the entire world, with their supersonic birth rates. The war is over and we lost.
On the other hand, when the real fighting war starts, you can cure a lot of demography with nukes.
Ah, it’s essays like this one that make me smile every time I rip up a letter from Time asking me to please re-subscribe at a discount rate!
When you print nothing but trash, you can’t earn much cash…
As Time Magazine’s 2006 Person of the Year, I formally demand that Mr. McGirk and Mr. Karon be relieved of their duties. Otherwise, I shall seriously consider renouncing my award.
“No, seriously. What is a magazine?”
A room or place for keeping gunpowder and other explosives, as in a fort or on a warship (and for Hamas, in mosques, schools and hospitals).
It might not be fair and these nations and institutions might be heavily biased against Israel to begin with, but that doesn’t change the fact that any military action by Israel can only serve to further erode Israel’s moral stature.
The only way Israel’s moral stature will be degraded in my eyes if if the current effort to neutralize the nest of Hamas vipers in Gaza…ends with a wishy washy stalemate, like Lebanon, summer 2006, when that crazy, Iranian sponsored crowd also kidnapped Israelis, lobbed rockets at Israeli cities & (intentionally) set off a conflagration.
Ubow 34 – there is no “information” in the paragraph – just conjecture. Information is empirically proveable – conjecture is simply guessing. For example: “With each passing day, Israel’s war against Hamas grows riskier and more punishing,…to Israel’s moral stature, to the lives of Palestinian civilians and to the world’s hopes that an ancient conflict can ever be resolved.”
Israel’s moral stature? You mean compared to the moral stature of suicide bombers, terrorists (Mumbai, England, Spain, United States of America, etc,etc,. Or do you refer to the morality of keeping hundreds of thousands of people penned in “refugee” camps for over 60 years so they can be used as fodder for the terrorist propoganda machine?
The lives of “Palestinian” civilians could be improved in one move – get rid of Hamas and start building a country out of the billions of dollars in aid poured into “Palestine”. Israel is not responsible for the well being of “Palestinian” civilians, anymore then Canada is responsible for the well being of Americans or Russians or Saudi Arabians.
This is not an ancient conflict – this is a 20th and 21st century conflict. In fact, this entire conflict is based in British colonialism and its concommitant and rampant anti-semitism. Combine that with the Muslim support of the Third Reich and you have a very modern crisis.
As for this conflict becoming riskier and more punishing with each passing day…for Hamas, maybe – for the civilians it hides behind – absolutely. But for Israel? Israel has the potential to destroy Hamas but it holds back – because it is moral; it is responsible – but if pushed to the edge? Who knows?
There is a BIG pro-Ireal protest going on outside my building in Downtown Baltimore. Much honking adn thumbs up by passing vehicles.
Gee, I wonder if this will make the news? And what will the slant be?
Sadly, the stupidity displayed by the likes of McGirk and Karon (i.e. the Left) is evidence that Hamas – oops, excuse me…Iran – is accomplishing it’s goals. The thousands of missles that Iran has been lobbing into Israel aren’t actually targeting Israel – they’re targeting the morally vacuous Western Left, who control all of the major information streams in the world…a fact of which the Islamists are all too aware.
Iran’s goal is to slowly…slowly…slowly turn world public opinion against Israel until it’s completely isolated. Then, one of the imaginary nuclear bombs that diplomacy stopped them from developing will somehow detonate in Tev Aviv and it will be game over.
The “international community” won’t do a thing – in fact, the disgusting Left will find a way to blame Israel…and George Bush.
In some ways I agree with the headline – Why Israel can’t win. Sorry, but I don’t think Israel can possibly stomp on all the cockroaches crawling through Gaza. There’s just too many of them, and they breed too quickly.
Isn’t Tim McGirk the same leftard that started the Haditha Marine controversey with his socalled ‘reporting’, i.e. accusing the Marines of a blood massacre of civilians? Funny how all those Marines were acquitted; too bad McGirk doesn’t have the “moral stature” to apologize for bearing false witness against men of honor.
Time lost it’s own “moral stature”, to say nothing of it’s credibility, at least 3 decades ago…right about the time I stopped reading it.
Does anyone know of a fish that would want to be wrapped in Time?
It once (50s) was a respectable news magazine.
Now, it has been People-ized so badly that even as kitty litter it is useless.
An example of Time’s and the MSM Apologetics
WARNING VERY, VERY, GRAPHIC MATERIAL!
Beheadings R Us
http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/beheadings-r-us/
>I don’t think you need to read Time Magazine to >see Israel’s response has gone too far. Last I >heard there were over 900 Palestinians dead and >only a handful of Israelis. Israel has an early >warning system. Israelis have shelters. The >people in Gaza don’t have anywhere to go.
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Israel, then, I take it based on your response, should do what, exactly? Wait for its own death toll to increase before taking action? Dismantle its own shelters to match the more primitive accommodations found in Gaza? Turn off its early warning systems? I take it you realize that Israel “enjoys” these benefits because they have been under constant attack for, oh, how many years now?
This appears to be an attempt to slip in that intellectually dishonest argumentative ploy we have come to know as the “proportional response” doctrine. I don’t know about you, but I, for one, would not care much about the number of Palestinian casualties were rockets to keep raining down on my head. Sure, not a lot of people are dying, but what kind of life is spent in a rocket shelter, anyway?
And exactly when did those rockets start dropping, anyway? Before or after Israel went into Gaza in force? And how did those rockets come to be in Gaza? Any ideas about that? Perhaps they traveled to their current location via a series of carefully and arduously constructed “defensive” tunnels, some taking over a year to complete?
Here we have a people, in the form of Hamas, actively engaging in both the preparation and persecution of acts of war against a neighboring state. They have been arming, preparing (rockets sites don’t instantly spring up, by themselves no less, in hospitals, mosques and school yards overnight, do they?) and strategerizing for just this eventuality. And now they have achieved their aims. So, Ok, they didn’t happen to know that Israel would rain death and destruction down on them to this degree, but I do wonder if Israel should be punished for the Palestinians’ shocking lack of perception.
I like to think of it this way. Actually, maybe you should, so I will put it to you another way. You live in a nice house in a bad neighborhood. Most of your neighbors despise you, because you happen to have a nice house, a decent yard, a cute dog and a happy family. They, on the other hand, live in hovels and shacks, mainly because they spend their money on prayer beads and BBQs (to which you are not invited, and at which all of the other neighbors get together, drink cheap booze – but plenty of it – and scheme to destroy your house, rape your wife and kill your children).
One day, Joe Bob, your closest neighbor, egged on by all of your other neighbors, decides to shoot his only weapon at your house. It’s a crappy .38 special he bought from Eran, his semi-retarded older cousin who lives a few towns over. So, good and liquored up, he starts taking pot shots into your windows. It’s scary for you, sure, with the glass tinkling down and the kids screaming at the top of their lungs and the dog running in circles peeing on the carpet. But, you simply go down into the basement (which is fully finished and and comfortable) and wait it out. This goes on for, oh, a month. Every night, Joe Bob gets soused and starts taking shots at you. Nothing much happens, except maybe he kills the dog, or maybe your son gets winged in the arm. Still, no one dies or anything. What’s the problem, you can always go down to the basement, right?
Except, finally, the little woman has had it up to here. Junior is starting to spend *all* of his time in the basement, and the daughter has the thousand yard stare. And the new dog won’t come out from under the bed. So, you finally have to do something. You might try the cops, but, for some reason, they seem to sympathize more with the plight of the neighbors than you. After all, you’re rich, they are poor, and you are viewed by the city government as an oppressor of sorts, even though you let your country bumpkin neighbors over to use your pool sometimes. Sure, they leave a ring and you have to skim the damn fleas off when they leave, but still, you do it because you are basically a decent person.
So, what do you do? Cops don’t care, elected officials laugh in your face. Even worse, you brought little junior to the last city council meeting to show off the bullet wound in his arm, and the council voted a resolution condemning you because you built a fence around your yard to keep your crappy neighbors from picking all the olives off of your prized olive trees.
Well, ain’t that a pickle? You would be forgiven for thinking, right about now, that it might be time to take the law into your own hands. You have friends who are fairly well off, one of whom pulled you aside and offered to sell you a howitzer, with which to blow up old Joe Bob’s house, and old Joe Bob along with it.
What are you going to do? Sure, you could run out and buy yourself a .38 and take your own pot shots, in keeping with your proportional response ideals. You could even decide to knock down your nice home and live in a shack along with all the other bums, hoping against hope that by reducing your own circumstances, you might ward off their hostility. Or, well, you know, you could decide to take away old Joe Bob’s will to fight.
Why, that’s an idea. You could go ahead and buy that old howitzer, bring it on home, set it up in the yard in plain view and then call old Joe Bob and tell him, in no uncertain terms, that if he tries to ping you with that dinky .38 one more god—ed time, you are going to blow him and his whole family sky high.
Now, you haven’t actually done anything yet, but you’ve made it known that for every action, there will be a reaction, and it won’t be so equal. And if that loon Joe Bob decides to commence to pot shotting at you again, well, he was warned, wasn’t he? And, of course he does just that. Being the nice guy that you are, though, you call over there and speak to Joe Bob’s wife and tell her she has twenty minutes to vacate the property, because you are about to light it up.
And then you have a choice, because she ain’t leaving, and neither are the kids, but you also know that Joe isn’t going to stop, and won’t stop until you, your wife, your children and even the new dog are dead. And tomorrow night, it might not be a .38 he’s shooting at you. You got word that Eran, when he isn’t cooking up a batch of meth, is working on some type of super shotgun that he plans to give to old Joe Bob so Joe can finish you off nice and proper at some future date.
So, what do you do?
Time also publishes a “newsletter” for kids. And many public schools (including my kids’) distribute it to all the students regularly. I was appalled at this far-left trash being used to indoctrinate our kids.
When my 6th grader brings it home, I discuss the stories with him and let him know there’s a completely untold (and more thruthful side) to every story in there. My son is now a crusader against the overhyped menace of “global warming”. Since all bad things are caused by “global warming”, my smart-alec son now uses that as an excuse for any wrongdoing on his part:
“Sorry, I wasn’t able to do my homework because of ‘Global Warming’”.
But he’s about the only one in his class, as all the others have been sufficiently re-educated in the progressive mold.
Bottom line- Find out what your kids are being taught and set them straight before it’s too late, or we’ll have an entire generation of mindless automotons spouting out all the leftist drivel they’ve been spoon-fed in school for years.
Might I bandy about the notion that anyone with a subscription to Vanity Fair might consider using it for kindling in the upcoming Ice Age alongside their Time? Does anyone still find Christopher Hitchens to be viable reading material anyway?
Time magazine ran out of time years ago. It was revived and doomed for another death. The liberals keep pressing this left wing garbage on the American people, who really don’t want it.We have a moral obligation to see that Israel survives. I am afraid that the new administration will sell them down the drain.
“Pat J:
I don’t think you need to read Time Magazine to see Israel’s response has gone too far. Last I heard there were over 900 Palestinians dead and only a handful of Israelis. Israel has an early warning system. Israelis have shelters. The people in Gaza don’t have anywhere to go. ”
In other words, everthing would be ok if Hamas had succeeded in killing 900 Jewish Israelis?
Moron
Given the fact of Israeli military superiority, the moral thing for a government of palestinian Arabs to do is to surrender.
Of course we don’t expect terrorists to do the moral thing. We expect them to act like terrorists. And of course, when they do that, the left blames the party that operates by the laws of war.
Israel needs to occupy Gaza. Shut Hezbollah down and eradicate Iran’s nuclear program, with or without our new regime’s, Obama’s blessings or help. Period!
G-d gave them that land.
…too bad McGirk doesn’t have the “moral stature” to apologize for bearing false witness against men of honor.
Speaking of magazine people who don’t apologize or express remorse when their lies and calumny are exposed, I remembered Newsweek Editor Evan Thomas’ (grandson of infamous socialist Norman Thomas) observations when claims in the Duke la Crosse case were exposed for the lies that they were.
“The narrative was right, but the facts were wrong.”
Translation (for those in need of translation
)Thomas said, in effect, that the story of exploitation of the black woman dancer at the party by a crowd of overly protected, rich white boys (“the narrative”) was a correct one.
The fact that the facts
in this case did not, ultimately, support Thomas’ knee jerk narrative was, probably, unfortunate in his view of the world, but doesn’t really change anything for him.
No embarrassment, no chagrin, nothing on the part of many in the press who excoriated those young men or from Duke professors who chimed into the chorus of accusatory hatred aimed at the la Crosse players.
This is the way many news writers (and professors) “think”.
Learn the truth. http://www.ifamericansknew.org
Of course his piece is conjecture. Israel does not allow journalists into Gaza to report!!
No, the 900 people murdered by Israel were NOT Hamas militants (and the term “militants” is misleading, since Hamas was elected in a fair, valid election. And let’s not forget that Israel harassed the pro peace candidate -Dr. Barghouti- in that election so badly that he had to withdraw. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-accused-of-foul-play-by-palestinian-election-candidate-681125.html)
Israel wants the land, and that’s what this is about. Period.
And opposing Israeli aggression against the Palestinians, and the occupation of Palestine, is NOT anti-Semetic. You can support the Jewish people and take a stand against Israeli occupation.
Big Ben,
With over 3000 rockets fired from the Gaza strip into Israel in 2008 alone… you need to do a serious re-think, consider if you and yours had only 15 seconds to find cover … that is a fact of life in Sderot, Israel for the last several years courtesy of Hamas. Nor is the number of dead inflicted, military or civilian, considered as a need to end a conflict. There are several articles on the concept of just war… I suggest you read some of them.
Leave it to David Thomson to have absolutely no perspective: “Time Magazine and the other MSM outlets are still very dangerous.”
Dude, if you handle the magazine properly, you won’t get paper cuts.
To listen to most of the people in this thread, they think the real problem in the world is media bias. I guess that has some traction in certain arenas, but seriously…
Media bias is pretty easy to detect, can be easily disregarded by any intelligent person, and really, let’s be honest here, is only a problem for the gullible and uninformed.
Most complaints about media bias, I’ve found, aren’t about bias, per se. It’s just that it has the wrong kind of bias. If Time Magazine were “biased” towards Israel, I doubt anyone here would complain. In fact, I doubt anyone here would even recognize that as bias.
(A biased media is, after all, what the other side has. Our side…fair and balanced all the way.)
I mean, why is it so hard to admit that Sean Hannity is just as biased as Keith Olbermann, only in different ways?
Succinctly put, these arguments about “media bias” would have a little more weight if they weren’t so set on propagating further bias from a friendlier ideological perspective.
Thanks for the credit, Stephen.
LOL, first Nick says this:
Of course his piece is conjecture. Israel does not allow journalists into Gaza to report!!
Then he says this:
No, the 900 people murdered by Israel were NOT Hamas militants
How do you know, Israel does not allow journalists into Gaza to report?
Man, I love you morons because even on my worst days I can take comfort that I am not you.
“Pat J:
I don’t think you need to read Time Magazine to see Israel’s response has gone too far. Last I heard there were over 900 Palestinians dead and only a handful of Israelis. Israel has an early warning system. Israelis have shelters. The people in Gaza don’t have anywhere to go. ”
In other words, everthing would be ok if Hamas had succeeded in killing 900 Jewish Israelis?
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I mourn every human death in this conflict regardless of what side of the “fence” their on.
I am really enjoying watching the of Time magazine. As far back as I can remember, it has been a mouthpiece for collectivism. The way I see things, that is as un-American as you can get.
Ikey,
The MSM or entrenched media are currently overwhelmingly in the pocket of the Left side of the equation.
Every poll bears out the lockstep thinking one needs to adopt to even belong to the crowd calling themselves “journalists” these days.
It’s a seamless journey from your university education to your profession as a member of the 5th column of the 4th estate.
Members of the media used to have a point of honor to not infuse their stories with personal agendas. Now such a position is practically de rigeur, to even belong to the club.
Contrary to your point, bias is bias, on any side of the equation, right, left, up or down.
Many major publications are currently tanking because (fortunately) people are still able to recognize spin pretending to be journalism.
For the record, Keith Olbermann is brain dead. He was even too brain dead for MSNBC (that’s majorly brain dead), which removed him from his regular gig. Chris Matthews (he of “tingle up the leg” in thinking of Obama) also lost his gig.
I hope this helps.
Israel should adopt a “proportionate response” to Hamas. The leadership of Hamas calls for the destruction of the “Zionist Entity” So Israel is justified in calling for and bringing about the destruction of the “Hamas Entity”
Hey it’s proportional!
ILikeIke:
Perhaps you’re just being biased against the idea of biased biasness.
My experience is much like taanstafl’s. On those occasions where I have had direct knowledge of a story covered by the press, the press has invariably got it wrong. Not always maliciously … but does that matter so much?
Nick:
You protest way to much. Israel withdrew from Gaza several years ago and gave them a chance to build a nation. Instead of building a state they chose to extend their attacks to Israel. Nobody wants the cesspool called Gaza, not Israel and certainly not Egypt whose territory it really is. No, despite your claim you are a Jew hater from the get go and don’t have the courage like a real Nazi to own up to it.
I was going to mention the SCUMBAG MCGIRK did the HADITHA FRAUD. Remember the guy who threw the shoe at Bush several weeks ago? That guy was also involved in some fraud anti-american story with MCGIRK. Id like to have MCGIRK dragged in front of those seven MARINES from HADITHA who had there lives disrupted UNNESSCESSARILY by the likes of MCGIRK and the fat pig MURTHA. And NICK the moron-hate to break this to you, but the ARABS had that land for HOW LONG and did nothing with it? There JEALOUSY that the Jews did something with a DESERT that the brainless BEADOUINS could never do(because they are LAZY) IS THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM. Of course, ISLAM hates anything not ISLAMIC. Dont forget who these folks were before ISRAEL. The Moslems supported NAZI GERMANY in ww2. The MOSLEMS attacked neighbors throughout history until stopped. A MOSLEM started ww1. MOSLEMS slaughtered the Armenians and Kurds after ww1. The MOSLEMS started the CRUSADES. The MOSLEMS were the BARBARY PIRATES that THOMAS JEFFERSON sent Capt STEPHEN DECATUR and the MARINES to destroy(“to the shores of Tripoli”). Moslems have a long and sordid history long BEFORE there ever was an ISRAEL OR A UNITED STATES.
The similarity in thinking of today’s journalists was (above) attributed to race guilt.
Race guilt is certainly being imbued and pounded into the skulls of undergraduates across America, as we speak.
Some say the avid fanaticism on the part of the press to elect a black (well, half black) guy to the US Presidency (and ignore the fact that he is something of an empty suit with highly questionable background associations in the politics of dear old Chicago) was a function of the university imbued concept of white race guilt.
(so is a liberal arts education today laying the ground for the new world order ?)
pOSTER # 36-NOT ONLY anti-Israel. They are ANTI-CAPITALIST and ANTI-FREEDOM, which is why most of the MEDIA always criticize Israel and the US for ALL of the worlds ills, ignoringt the FACTS whenever convienent. The biggest weakness we in the US has is most of our population under the age of 40 is economically and historically illiterate. The COMMUNISTS in ACADEMIA AND MEDIA have DELIBERATELY shoved blame AMERICA for every ill and praise ISLAM AND COMMUNISM at every turn. If America turns it around, it wont be the majority. It will be us who pay attention and THINK. THINKERS are the enemy of COMMUNISTS and ISLAMIC SUPREMACISTS. We need to use the DISLIKE THOSE TWO HAVE FOR EACH OTHER(and trust me they do)against each other, the way the left uses ISLAMIC SUPREMACY against FREEDOM. FREEDOM IS THE SOLUTION TO THE HUMAN CONDITION.
David Thomson:
“Time Magazine is irrelevant.”
This is not quite accurate. Time Magazine and the other MSM outlets are still very dangerous. The majority of Americans remain under their nefarious influence. We are indeed winning the struggle—but it’s not over with yet.”
The above statement is true of most old media. We forget at our peril that most people still get their news from old media.
Delusions, Delusions, Delusions.
The-world-is-falling-on-our-heads crowd. I visit this site once a day keep LMAO. Being a muslim 101% I do not have the ‘luxury’ of alcohol to let off steam as my friends would say. TMIE is looking at the reality. Aggression is usually a sign of weakness, we always thought the weakness lies with Hamas, but alas we were wrong. Unless Israel manages to kill every male teenager in Gaza then it has surely failed because it has planted the seeds that will fight against it until the end. Almost half of Gaza we know is under 14. If the brutal nature of this attack is meant to instill fear into the underdogs, then the whole conflict should have ended decades ago. Hamas rockets are home made rockets, so to leave Gaza with any homes standing would effectively mean defeat. This has happened in Lebanon when Israel withdrew. Hizbollah is armed to the teeth now, we only hope Israel’s failure in 2006 has not made them complacent.
Look at the face of evil
Mohammed, what you fail to fathom, realize is people DO learn from their mistakes.
It’s the quitter-like comments made by folks such as yourself which keep me ‘LMAO.’
Freedom is the most fundamental human right. To not allow one to live in peace must have consequences.
If I wasn’t married, I would surely stand beside Israeli soldiers and their God given right to live without fear.
“Being a muslim 101%” Dose this mean you have an extra gene?
“Hamas rockets are home made rockets, so to leave Gaza with any homes standing would effectively mean defeat.”
So, you want the Isralis to behave like the Russians did the second time they went into Grozny?
Is this is the Muslim mindset?
mohammed,
If you continually shoot at people, eventually you will either kill them or they will start shooting back at you. And, if they do, they will keep shooting until you can’t shoot anymore, if possible. So, if you don’t want to get shot at, a wise choice would be don’t start the shooting. This routine gets recycled every couple of years in that region. So my question for a 101% alcohol free Muslim is, are Muslims trained not to learn anything from the results of their actions? I am not a big fan of Israel, but if you shoot at my family, I will try to kill you and your family.
“Beam me up Scotty, there is no intelligent life down here.”
77 Mohammed Please don’t give us any ideas about a solution.
#77 mohammed…May I correct one point you made…The majority of rockets being fired at Israel are being funneled through Egypt from Iran. Israel has been bombing the area leading from the South/Egypt into Gaza to destroy the tunnels that have been used to bring in a large amount of the weapons. I’m guessing Israel cares less about the mindset of the under-14 Gaza crowd and their future intent than they do about the safety and security of the Israeli citizens who currently live everyday with the fear of another Hamas rocket launch (as we would be doing if, say, Mexico or Canada was launching rockets into Texas/Michigan daily).
One last point about mohammed’s statement….In this case, aggression is a sign of feeling morally superior. I say we should go in and weed out every last one of the bastards and parade them around with “I’m sorry Israel!” stamped onto their foreheads. Demoralize them, piss them off, whatever. Just bring them all out of their hidey holes and wipe them off the planet. More oxygen for the rest of us. If they are hiding in hospitals, schools then the casualties should be listed as being done by Hamas themselves.
tanstaafl,
“The MSM or entrenched media are currently overwhelmingly in the pocket of the Left side of the equation.”
Yeah, I’ve heard that too. I guess that all depends on how you define “MSM” and how you define “left.”
The MSM is not the lefty paradise the conspiracy theorists think it is. The MSM, like it’s name suggests, appeals to the “mainstream,” ie the middle. This is not a bad thing. Depending on the times, the mainstream might be more left (as in Clinton’s day) or more right (as in Bush’s) but the “mainstream” is where most people live and operate. It’s the gooey center which unites us.
So whenever I hear someone complain about the lefty bias of the “mainstream” media, that signals to me that this person is so far right that the mainstream is left!
At that point, any complaints lose some of their merit.
So Ike do you believe that the mainstream is seeithing with the anti-Semitism displayed in the MSM?
ILikeIke, the consequence of reading your #85 comment, were all the dumber for it. Do you really believe that garbage?
The MSM doesn’t take into account ANY consensus of the people’s ideological take on the matter. It takes into account the sponsors, the station’s owner(s) and empathy, then it reports the ‘news.’ Not the emotional and opinionated banter were inundated with today.
I wonder at times why our society is growing more lethargic, too sensitive and weak. You, my good sir are a prime example of that downward spiral.
“Has Time magazine joined the ranks of Hamas and come out in favor of the destruction of Israel?”
Is the Pope a Catholic?
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You liberals need to pay lots of taxes cause someone needs to pay for all the free stuff Obama promised me!
Last I heard there were over 900 Palestinians dead and only a handful of Israelis.
So, the Israelis should let the Pals kill more Israelis – just to even things up?
Although the Marines took very heavy hits during the island campaigns of WWII, they still managed to cause many more casualities on the other side than they suffered. The USMC should be admonished for allowing this terrible imbalance to occur – it wasn’t fair to the Japanese.
/sarc
To: #53 Eric
I liked your analogy – Clear as crystal and entertaining at the same time!
Time and the rest of the mainstream media should relocate their headquarters to Southern Israel or the Israel Lebanon border. After a week of dodging rockets let’s see how they feel. I would not use that magazine as toilet paper.
jerryofva,
No. But I do believe that some folks have been throwing around charges of antisemitism much too casually. It used to be that to be antisemitic, one had to actually hate Jews. But nowadays, anything less than 100% support for Israel’s foreign policy is considered antisemitism.
That idea has about as much validity as the idea that if you don’t support Obama’s policies, then you’re a racist.
As for paul_unalaska, if the mere act of reading a comment you disagree with makes you dumb, I’m afraid you didn’t have much to work with from the get go.
to: #61
Uh, Nick? Israel doesn’t want Gaza – that’s why they gave it back. What they do want is Hamas to stop firing rockets into civilian neighbourhoods where there are (gasp!)… women and children. Or doesn’t it matter if the women and children are Jews?
It’s true that Israel doesn’t allow journalists into Gaza – and why should they, given the vicious lies the MSM loves to perpetuate?
But what’s the problem? They can always go in through Egypt. Oh, I forgot. Hamas won’t let any Western journalists into Gaza. Perhaps they’re worried that some rogue reporter might actually tell the truth.
And yes, most of the dead are Hamas – you’re right, though, they aren’t militants – they’re terrorists.
Grow up, little boy.
If there’s a people who should be wondering where all of this is going and where it will end is the Palestinians. The Palestinians should be questioning Hamas every day as to when will there be a day, week, year and maybe years that they can see where they won’t be plunged into war with Israel. Every time Hamas attacks Israel and Israel retaliates, we hear the same thing from the sympathizers of Hamas. The poor innocent civilians. Well, the innocent civilians who let Hamas stash weapons in their homes aren’t so innocent. The civilians who hide Hamas in their homes aren’t so innocent. The civilians who approve of Hamas attacks on Israel aren’t so innocent. The day when Israel can tell the difference between a civilian and a fleeing Hamas terrorist thats the day when the civilians will become innocent. Until then, there are no innocent civilians deaths.
Time=MSM=0
” 66. Pat J:
“Pat J:
I don’t think you need to read Time Magazine to see Israel’s response has gone too far. Last I heard there were over 900 Palestinians dead and only a handful of Israelis. Israel has an early warning system. Israelis have shelters. The people in Gaza don’t have anywhere to go. ”
In other words, everthing would be ok if Hamas had succeeded in killing 900 Jewish Israelis?
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I mourn every human death in this conflict regardless of what side of the “fence” their on.”
Pious bullsh*t. It isn’t happening to you so its easy to express this fraudulent moral equivalence.
” 77. mohammed:
Delusions, Delusions, Delusions.
The-world-is-falling-on-our-heads crowd. I visit this site once a day keep LMAO. Being a muslim 101% I do not have the ‘luxury’ of alcohol to let off steam as my friends would say. TMIE is looking at the reality. Aggression is usually a sign of weakness, we always thought the weakness lies with Hamas, but alas we were wrong. Unless Israel manages to kill every male teenager in Gaza then it has surely failed because it has planted the seeds that will fight against it until the end. Almost half of Gaza we know is under 14. If the brutal nature of this attack is meant to instill fear into the underdogs, then the whole conflict should have ended decades ago. Hamas rockets are home made rockets, so to leave Gaza with any homes standing would effectively mean defeat. This has happened in Lebanon when Israel withdrew. Hizbollah is armed to the teeth now, we only hope Israel’s failure in 2006 has not made them complacent.”
Typical Arab/Muslim bullsh*t bravado. Does it ever occur that the corollary is also true, that at some point Israel or others may simply conclude that killing them all off is preferable than having to live with the endless provocation and terror? Talk is cheap. Actions belie your bravado. Where are the millions of Arab and Muslim brothers in arm marching against the Israeli Army? Hezbollah has been very quiet. Is Egypt mobilizing her army? Opening her border to the Palestinians? Are the Syrians mobilizing? Jordan? Somehow they seem to have a problem actually doing something. Its obvious that 900 Arab dead aren’t that valuable to them either. So whether Israel kills 900, 9,000, 900,0000 or more does not matter. What does matter is that the Arabs understand that Israel is still there after sixty years and is not going go away and she will do whatever it takes for her to survive. They are not going to commit national suicide to appease the progressive left, the anti-Semites or the Muslims. The Allies did not have to kill every German or Japanese. Just the ones that were willing to fight. What is needed is for Israel to finally crush her enemies once and for all. Then when like the Germans and Japanese understand the finality, totality and the absolute awfulness of their defeat is when a real peace can come about. Are the Germans and Japanese threatening anyone of late?
Time? Who reads it other than in waiting rooms? Only the progressive morons who believe that world view to begin with.
I gave up reading Time 40 years ago.
It was a fawn for the extreme left wing even back then.
Time, The NYT, and CNN are three useless media sources unless you are a extreme left wing radical.
” 92. ILikeIke:
jerryofva,
No. But I do believe that some folks have been throwing around charges of antisemitism much too casually. It used to be that to be antisemitic, one had to actually hate Jews. But nowadays, anything less than 100% support for Israel’s foreign policy is considered antisemitism.
That idea has about as much validity as the idea that if you don’t support Obama’s policies, then you’re a racist.
As for paul_unalaska, if the mere act of reading a comment you disagree with makes you dumb, I’m afraid you didn’t have much to work with from the get go.
Jan 13, 2009 – 5:33 pm”
Ever heard of the duck theory? If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck its probably a duck? Well if your flacking for those who advocate that all the Jews must die, that concept that a Jewish (unlike a Islamic, Hindu or other) State is anathema, then yeah you just might be an anti-Semite.
My feelings about Time Magazine were made quite clear after their latest selection of Man,..oops, Person of the Year.
“I’m sure their readers are thrilled,… both of them.”
Time magazine is indeed irrelevant. Not long after 9/11 I stopped reading Time altogether. Even before that event, I was aware of Time’s liberal-Left biases and was thus able to filter them out accordingly. But after awhile, it simply became tiresome and I did not renew. I already found a better replacement called The National Review. They don’t hide their biases and are open and forthright about it. And as one who used to be on the Marxist Left many years ago, I know the tendencies of these people to be deceptive and cunning.
Stopped reading Time Mag in July of 1967, was living in Libya during the 6 day war in Jun 1967 – Time had the run-up to that war and the war so wrong it was obvious they were just sorta making it up and it doesn’t get any better with time!
Israel is pretty stupid if they think a few weeks of bombing is going to change anything. They should realize by now that violence will not solve the problem. It’s time to try something new, something different, they’ve been doing the same old crap for decades. Obama will put them on the right course, otherwise, we’ll have to withhold all monies and military support we give to Israel.
One problem is, they think they’re the chosen people. No race or country is “chosen” by God. We are all loved equally.
“Well, the innocent civilians who let Hamas stash weapons in their homes aren’t so innocent.”
Actually Maverick, they are just that. Hamas is not a small little group anymore. They are intimidating and have grown into brigades. If IDF which are professionally trained have difficulties taking them out there is no way some civilian is going to raise their voice.
The day Israel seeing can no longer see the difference between Hamas and innocent civilians the casualties won’t be 1000. There are like 300 some odd F-16′s and about 100 F-15′s that will do a lot more damage than that.
So, with today’s technology carpet bombing has gone out the window pretty much.
Years ago, in the Henry Luce days, it was said that Life was for people who couldn’t read and Time for those who couldn’t think.
Life is gone and Time is headed its way.
Saint Patton:
I don’t think you need to read Time Magazine to see Israel’s response has gone too far. Last I heard there were over 900 Palestinians dead and only a handful of Israelis.
You absorb 3,000 rocket strikes in your hometown and see how you feel about things. Send your kids to school in armored buses and then rationalize a response. Abandon the top floor of your house because you wouldn’t have time to reach the basement when the rocket alarm sounds and then analyze your opinions.
Protecting your people isn’t a game of numbers, get a clue.
Loved your last line. The media and Left are now so locked into the “proportionality” meme as some moral law they have completely missed the true nature of war and self defense as using that force NECESSARY to defeat your enemy’s threat.
You don’t tell a cop who has a gunman take 3 shots at them that miss to fire back if they must, but no more than three shots of the same or lower caliber bullet, and care must be exercised to ensure all three shots miss.
The “proportionality” and ensuring minimum deaths in response to deaths or violence done by an attacker – isn’t even allowed in a literal sense.
When a Muslim bomber kills 20 “innocent” civilians and badly wounds another 28 “innocents”:
(another media and left false construct – in war, the people do not consist of innocent civilians and soldiers all “guilty” of some crime in serving their people in the military)
Well, we all know that a pure proportional resonse would be morally unacceptable. We would not – anyone – think it was “proportionate” to round up 73 people and push them into a room with a bomb where we figure setting off a bomb in the middle of them will achieve “true proportionality” – meaning 20 killed by the counter-bomb, 28 maimed, and 25 unscathed but traumatized and having the living shit scared out of them.
Israel is in the right in this one. Not that it always is, but they have a right in this instance to use as much force as necessary to end the cross border attacks by Hamas.
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DonJoe:
Israel needs to occupy Gaza. Shut Hezbollah down and eradicate Iran’s nuclear program, with or without our new regime’s, Obama’s blessings or help. Period!
G-d gave them that land.
1. No one wants to occupy Gaza.
2. No one wants to pay the high price it would take to take care of Nasrallah & Hez after the last whipping he put on the Jews when they went in half-assed. What the US, Saudis, Egyptians, and all but far Right Zionist Israelis want is for the Golan to get resolved and Syria backing off of both Lebanon and playing footsie with Iran.
3. The Zionists are out of luck on Iran. The US will not tolerate them invading Iraqi air space, and wreck all we have tried to do in Iraq. Besides, the Israelis lack any force level adequate to bomb and set Iran back more than a couple of months – Finally, a sneak attack would motivate all the Iranians to rally to the Mullahs and go nuclear . Nor is the US any longer at risk of being bribed stooges of the Zionists and Neocons and starting WWIII ourselves on behalf of Israel and maintaining its WMD monopoly and colonies in the West Bank.
4. God seems to have overpromised land…given the Zionists, Muslims, and many Christians all scream God gave it to them.
Tim McGirk was fired. too bad this is his swan song from cushy jerusalem.
I cancelled my TIME subscription about 5 years ago. One thing I remember is they were publishing pro-homosexual articles about once a month when these people are about 1% of the population in the west and much less in the third world countries. I wrote to TIME and told them no-one is much interested in gays except the gays themselves and the STD clinics that live off them. I thought that was clear but they still send letters begging me to re-subscribe years later.
To 40 LILITH and # 48 RASTAR – No truer words, I second that while living in Israel from time to time where close relatives of mine abide. It is a Miracle that the little Jewish State has suvived the enormity of Terror provided by Giant Terror Masters such as Iran, the Taliban and Al Qaeda all of whom have their representatives in and around the little State of Israel. Congratulations to Israel and may it survive long years after the Oil has dried up in the Desert…….
“Aggression is usually a sign of weakness, we always thought the weakness lies with Hamas, but alas WE were wrong.”
What’s this ‘we’ s*** kimosabe?
More funnies today from the AP; They claim half of the dead in Gaza are civilians. Guffaw, guffaw; The slime called Hamas dresses as civilians and hides behind women and children. If the AP can determine who is civilian and not, then they should be working with the Israeli’s to minimize civilian casualties. It’s criminal of the AP not to protect these “civilians”.
So my question for a 101% alcohol free Muslim is, are Muslims trained not to learn anything from the results of their actions?
My question for Mo is…since Muslims are so uptight about alcohol and get off on doing stuff like trashing liquor stores in Baghdad and Oakland CA and so forth…
How come, in the Koran, while you’re being tended to by the dark eyed houris/virgins and so forth, you are reclining on bejeweled couches beside rivers of wine ?
It would be tough inside Gaza to distinguish a civilian voluntarily aiding and abetting Hamas from a civilian intimidated into aiding and abetting Hamas.
It would be difficult to distinguish the mothers willingly offering up their sons to Allah and the mothers intimidated into giving the appearance of offering up their sons to Allah.
In the “free and fair” election that brought Hamas to power, there were more than a few poll watchers standing around with AK 47′s making sure people voted the “right” way.
(kind of like those thugs standing outside a Pennsylvania voting place on Nov. 4, but I digress)
Homes are commandeered, medical attention to wounded civilians is not a high priority (in fact, dead civilians help with the Hamas PR campaign). A few days ago, a supply vehicle was allowed in and, reportedly, captured by Hamas, who then proceeded to sell the medical/food supplies, etc. (reminiscent of one of Uday’s businesses in Iraq)
Of all “the world’s” copious resources & money that have been dumped into Palestine in recent decades, most of that has been commandeered for buying weapons, training and recruitment. (or, previously, into Arafat’s secret accounts)
Hamas has zero to no interest in making a viable society and no thought of ever relinquishing its main goal of wiping the Zionist entity from the Earth.
This makes the recent “UN” vote yet another meaningless paper tiger, since any ceasefire would only be a delay until the next time, unless Hamas can be completely crippled and its supply lines (esp. the tunnels in south Gaza) decimated.
Meanwhile, the Hamas putative leader sits in Damascus, directing things from a safe distance.
The civilians still in Gaza have less and less power everyday.
The Time rag has been backing HAMASS and their partners for a very long time, but then truth was never really the strong suit at that magazine. I listened to an interview with the managing editor yesterday and understand why Time is headed for the scrap heap. The interview was about 30 minutes long and the fool didn’t say one intelligent thing during the whole interview. He continued to try and convince the audience that they were not now or ever bias, and then proceeded to make some of the most bias comments I have heard in awhile. He continuously contradicted himself throughout the interview. I guess he thought that as long as he keep talking no one would notice.
Could the “Civilian casualties” AP is reporting, actually be Fatah and/or Fatah families?
Are the bullets and shrapnel that are killing the “civilian casualties” Israeli or Hamas?
I am most confident that MSM, AP, and Hamas’ reporting is verified, truthful and accurate, that my “Bailout” check’s in the mail, and that you (cedarford and mohammed)love me.
Confidence in AP’s reporting will be restored when I receive my “Bailout Check.”
Delusions, Delusions, Delusions
Of all the responses here only one warrants commenting on, the rest are rants of the disillusioned who are diminishing in number everyday
’96. cubanbob:
What is needed is for Israel to finally crush her enemies once and for all’.
I am guessing you are one of the cowards who had to flee castro rather than stand and fight. You refugee. Well the pali’s or ragheads as you like to call them are not cowards like you. If Israel could crush her enemies it would have done so by now. But it cant. We all know this is just a gamble by kadima and labour to improve their chances at next month’s polls. But rather than make their case to the Israeli electorate in a civil manner they prefer to use palestinian blood. Shame on them. They will lose and kadima will win and netanyahu will step up the fight and that will hasten Israel’s demise.
And you nutcases will always cheer when muslims die, shame on you. I suppose you did the same during the bosnian war. Shameless idiots.
mohammed…Aren’t you blaspheming the one you claim to worship by using his name to post? I’d like to suggest a new one for you….IgnorantBlowhard.
If Israel could crush her enemies it would have done so by now. But it cant.
Israel can turn Gaza to dust, but does not.
Israel has repulsed attacks from her Arab neighbors more or less continuously since the inception in 1948. Some of those neighbors (Egypt, Jordan) have actually recognized Israel’s right to exist.
Imagine that.
And you nutcases will always cheer when muslims die, shame on you. I suppose you did the same during the bosnian war. Shameless idiots.
Got those things a little backwards, sweet pea. It’s Muslims who get their rocks off every time there is a successful attack on innocent infidels (September 11, London, Madrid…) Cheer and dance in the Arab street like shameless idiots.
It’s America that stepped in on behalf of Bosnian Muslims
tanstaafl,
Exposing your ignorance.
America didn’t step in to help the Bosnian Muslims until Kosovo, well after the Srebrenica massacre.
You know who were protecting the Srebrenica Muslims? The Dutch. And not very well…
The Serbs massacred 7000 Muslim men and boys in a week long orgy of murder, all the while looking over their shoulders for NATO airstrikes that did not come.
Aside from the Dutch, there was one country that offered to deploy significant troops on the ground.
That country was Iran and their offer was denied. (For good cause.)
Care to comment further on things you know nothing about? Or should we just leave it at that?
I linked one man’s account of appreciation of Americans by Muslims in the Bosnian town of Goradze, including but not limited to…
Several of the people whom I got to know told me that the US was the only reason they were alive. Europeans were noted mostly as people who sat around and watched the Serbs work. Dutch couldn’t even get served in many places. As far as Islamic countries went, they told me that there was lots of money for rebuilding mosques but nothing else.
You have a problem with that, Ikey ?
Looks like Mohammad was full of it on the other news pieces.Anyways Israel is right for keeping pressure on Hamas.These moronic jews supporting terrorists have no clue as to whats going on except what propaganda spews out.How about Rwanda?Where were these jews then?I was vocal about that but got nothing but silence from the UN.How about 300,000 dead in Darfur and still counting?Silence.So spare me 1000 pallys being killed.Killed by Hamas fighters hiding near hospitals,schools and other civilian areas.Or setting up mortars and rockets near UN buildings,firing at Israel and then dismantling them and moving off knowing an Israeli strike was coming.Or AA units on top of civilian buildings?Need more proof?Got tons.Now we have Hamas supporters in the West calling for death to the jews openly and in public.They are opening up a can of worms they will not be able to control.The cities will be the first to sealed as thats where most of these terrorist supporters reside.
ILikeIke, our assisting the Bosnian Muslims came much too late, suffice to say. Why do you think that occurred? I was temporary duty there in the Air Force and am sure I know a bit too of the subject. Your smugness on the matter is a joke.
I don’t read any of the liberal news magazines, but do read Newsmax. I don’t think these magazines are even worth the paper they are printed on, and this is why subscriptions are falling, including the lack of customers of the New York times and other papers who have been in business for generations.
Why? People are hungry for truth, they know the politicians have sold us out, and the Fannies and the Freddies along with other businesses have turned to coruption and greed, it seems more are for terrorism than peace. No one is accountable any more and people like to read what is happening in the Real world, not lies and deception. There is a hunger for truth, no doubt about it.
We all know Israel has a right to defend herself from the endless Qassam rockets hitting her cities. The enemies keep ganging up and wanting a cease fire for Israel, but not Hamas who gets by scott free without any stipulations. This is blatant anti-semetism, and I for one am speaking up on every website I can for Israel.
For Zion’s sake I will not keep silent, for Jerusalem’s sake I will not remain quiet, till her righteousness shines out like the dawn, her salvation like a blazing torch.
I think some of these news organizations will go out of business, they aren’t journalists with unbiased oppinions anymore.
Thanks for pointing out this problem with Time in this article. Next time I go to the dentist I’ll take my laptop and watch YouTube vids on the world news and events. Say good bye to Time.
The magazines are just writing to most of the people is the USA. This doesn’t make it right just that it is what it is. Don’t believe me look to our government and our education system. We’ve been sold out.
I agree with the posters here who point out how unimportant Time has become.Are the inbred ,left wing moonies who work there anti Jewish and pro-Hamas? Absolutely. Does it matter? Not at all
Time magazine should be a non-profit liberal newsletter. Well if Life magazine can shut down, there’s hope for Time to go away as well. I can’t believe I used to read that publication! Blah.
” Time Magazine and the other MSM outlets are still very dangerous.”
yes – the media is ALWAYS dangerous to those who need secrecy and lies to see to fruition their evil plans – thus, israel keeps journalists OUT of Gaza – why? becuase pictures and stories of the slaughtered might make their taks that much more difficult.
“Time Magazine = MSM = irrelevant/biased/substandard reporting = disregarded by this poster for quite some time now…”
And where does THIS poster get her news? From Pajamas media. And where does PAJAMAS media get their news?
from the MSM.
If the MSM goes out of business, there will be no news – you know why? real reporters don’t work in their PAJAMAS – they go out and get the news. Unfortunately, the right-wing thugs who spew second-grade nonsense about media they don’t actually read, fail to realize (or don’t care) – that 95 percent of the news has NO ideological slant – we’re talking local stories and issues that most of us take for granted. But the right-wing thugs need secrecy to operate – just as our founding fathers warned – they need unlimited military and Pentagon budgets – just as our founding fathers warned – so they hope if they continue to discredit the media, they’ll win. But the American people are too smart – you can only push then so far, as the Bush white house proved, before they turn and bring a whole new government. Unfortunatley – for the right wing thugs, they’ve expelled such effort discrediting the media – in their effort to protect Bush – that Obama will roll unfettered and unchallenged…
and you can thank the right for that!
“A good thing, too, because the story of the Haditha Massacre has been proven to be a fake.”
Now who’s the LIAR? Because the SAME military who LIED about Pat tillman has now refused to convict marines charged with murder makes the massacre a LIE? I suppose that the Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman murders were LIES because OJ was not convicted? Right – no conviction, no murder. No military conviction – no dead iraqis…
and the military would NEVER LIE? Oh, i guess that makes me an American hater!
Fred:
“for the right wing thugs…”
Lighten up, Francis. Or, you know, the right wing thugs are going to come over, take you out of your home and send you off to Gitmo.
So pipe down, little man, or before you know it, Karl Rove is going to be pouring water on to a cloth held over your mouth. And who will be holding the cloth? You guessed it, pipsqueak, the former head thug in charge, Chimpy McBushHitler.
Thing is, sport, before now, you just spouted your mindless nonsense willy nilly. My guess is that you didn’t even believe that it might be true – it just sounded good, right, bubby? Well, notice is being served: everything you’ve been saying over the last eight years is the God’s honest truth.
Let me illuminate:
*Bush did curtail your civil liberties, and, yes, the last time you passed out, an almost empty bottle of vodka tipped over near your outstretched claw of a hand, he *did* order a transmitter implanted into *your* brain. Why you? Because, dolt, you were stupid enough to come onto sites such as this, spouting your drivel (which happens to be true – but that just makes it all the more dangerous). He had you tracked, tagged and bagged. I know, your wife left you in tears, the kids won’t speak to you anymore and your doctor actually tried to throw a net over your head the last time you went in for your every other decade tooth cleaning. But, don’t listen to any of them, buck-o, because you were right all along. That high pitched whining noise isn’t the sound of years of frustration escaping your sewer-like maw as you sleep. No, my friend, that’s the sound of your *thoughts* – the two of them you have a day – being transmitted directly to CIA HQ in Langley. They know what you think – so stop looking at donkey show sites on the Web.
*Bush did start a war in Iraq, strictly for the purposes of securing a stable energy supply. Me? I’m a thug, so when I turn on my heat in the winter, I thank God that we do have oil. But you, well, you know the truth: Bush lied and people died. How you have escaped such a fate is a mystery, as we all know how efficient and super duper crafty Bush was at eliminating his enemies while in office. But now that he’s out, he’ll have much more time to find you and finish the job. My guess is that you will be invited along on a hunting trip with Cheney, and while you are aiming at ducks, Cheney will be aiming at *you*. Ka-Blammo! I wouldn’t want to be in your smelly shoes right now, buster.
*You said: “the media is ALWAYS dangerous to those who need secrecy and lies to see to fruition their evil plans…”
You hit the nail on the head with this one, and for that, you will be hit on the head with an oversized Acme safe dropped from the third story window of the local porn distributor that you enjoy visiting, every day. This is just a guess, but you cannot, I repeat cannot, go around spouting the truth and not expect to pay for it any longer. Why? You know why. Because the right wing thugs will get you. They have stifled free speech, they have eliminated open and honest debate, they have insured that men like you cannot visit Web sites and speak your mind. Ok, sure, you are doing all of those things, but that’s only because the thugs haven’t gotten to you yet. One day, tiger, one day soon.