Is It Still Possible to Question Islam?
Is it “Islamophobic” to question whether or not the standard picture of Muhammad as depicted in Muslim texts is historically accurate?
Certainly many people think so, notably the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC). The OIC is a fifty-six nation body (plus the Palestinian Authority) that, since the demise of the Soviet Union, comprises the largest voting bloc at the United Nations. It has been working for years to compel the UN to criminalize “Islamophobia.” Secretary of State Hillary Clinton held a closed-door meeting with the OIC in December 2011, apparently to facilitate just that and figure out ways to circumvent the First Amendment’s protection of the freedom of speech.
Journalist Claire Berlinski notes that “the neologism ‘Islamophobia’ did not simply emerge ex nihilo”:
It was invented, deliberately, by a Muslim Brotherhood front organization, the International Institute for Islamic Thought, which is based in Northern Virginia. … Abdur-Rahman Muhammad, a former member of the IIIT who has renounced the group in disgust, was an eyewitness to the creation of the word. “This loathsome term,” he writes, “is nothing more than a thought-terminating cliche conceived in the bowels of Muslim think tanks for the purpose of beating down critics.”
Yet the mainstream media has for the most part bought into this perspective, treating all investigation of how Islamic jihadists use the texts and teachings of Islam to justify violence and supremacism as “Islamophobic,” however useful it might be to understand the motives and goals of those who have vowed to destroy the U.S. and Western civilization. Into this atmosphere comes my book Did Muhammad Exist? An Inquiry Into Islam’s Obscure Origins, which doesn’t touch directly on terror issues at all, but does demonstrate that Islam was political, supremacist, and violent before it was religious — a fact with considerable implications for today’s political scene.
In broad outline, the accepted story of Islam’s origins is well known. It begins with an Arabian merchant of the Quraysh tribe of Mecca, known to the world as Muhammad, a name that means the “praised one.” He rejected the polytheism of his tribe and was given to frequent prayer in the hills and caves outside Mecca. In the year 610, when he was forty, he was praying in a cave on Mount Hira, about two miles from Mecca, when he was suddenly confronted by the angel Gabriel, who commanded him to recite.
For the next twenty-three years, until his death in 632, Muhammad did just that: He recited the messages he received from Gabriel, presenting them to his followers as the pure and unadulterated word of the supreme and only God. Many of his followers memorized portions. The Arabia in which Islam was born was an oral culture that respected poetic achievement, and thus the prodigious feats of memory required to memorize lengthy suras were not so unusual. After Muhammad’s death, the revelations he had received were collected together into the Qur’an, or “Recitation,” from the accounts of those who had memorized them or written them down.
A “phobia” is an irrational fear of something. Seeing how these whack jobs tie bombs around their waists to blow up complete strangers, killing themselves in the process, fear of such people would be quite rational to say the least!
Though I sympathize with your sentiment, I disagree with your narrow definition of “phobia.” When it stands on its own as a noun, “phobia” as used by psychiatrists retains its original Greek meaning – fear. However, when added as a suffix it includes dread, aversion, or revulsion of the object word to which it is added.
However, when added as a suffix it includes dread, aversion, or revulsion of the object word to which it is added.
Yep, revulsion about describes it. Of course as an atheist, and a female, I ought also to have a healthy apprehension, which I do. Either way, disliking something, however profoundly, should never be a crime – unless you offer it physical harm.
One could attach suffixes like phobia to a long list of particular nouns with a comforting sense of correctness: Naziphobia, Stalinophobia, Crimeophobia, nihilistophobia, racistophbia, librulophobia. The use of Islamophobia as a defense for assault, as in ” I killed the infidel with a sword because he was Islamophobic”, is grossly incorrect.
The word-twisters of the left are, as per usual, full of it.
One more brief example, in Europe, according to the media, the struggle is between austerity and growth. This is untrue. In Europe there is a struggle between frugality and profligacy, just as there is here in the U.S.
Correct. Those with arachnophobia aren’t killed, so why should Islamaphobes? However, the arachnophobe doesn’t choose to ignore the facts about that which they fear while the Islamaphobe does.
In the case of the Islamaphobe, they should be treated as any other bigot is treated and not given an audience or public platform to spew their bigotry.
“In the case of the Islamaphobe, they should be treated as any other bigot is treated and not given an audience or public platform to spew their bigotry.”
I disagree Justin case, we are not bigotted etc, we have studied the fruits and foundations of Islam, perhaps you shoyuld do the same instead of swallowing the nonsense that Islam is a cult of peace
A better word than islamophobia is islamonausea.
BINGO!
Is that a new term for sickness against those lying against Islam??
If you’re referring to those who invented suicide bombing, it wasn’t the Muslims.
You’re no student of history, obviously.
More anti-Islamic lies and exaggerations authored by Robert Spencer.
Questioning Islam is not the problem. It’s embedding one’s bigoted & unfounded accusations in said questions.
Another problem exists when these questions are fielded and answered by those unqualified to do so: paid Islamaphobes!! These people are, literally, paid to lie against Islam. So it would self-defeating for them to tell the truth about Islam as that would take monies out of their coffers!
Finally, after questioning those qualified to answer your questions about Islam, your refusal to accept the truth from that person because that truth conflicts with the deception that you’ve been taught (by the paid Islamaphobes or their freelancing, unpaid parrots) is absolutely ludicrous!
In its larger scope Islam is a brutal totalitarian oppressive geopolitical movement….on a more personal level it is the ultimate in hatred and bigotry towards all who do not ascribe to it. I also think it is a form of madness! It is NOT a religion by any standard accepted definition of it in today’s world….of which islan is not a part. Name one country where Islam is the dominate force and you have anything other than ignorance oppression brutality and intolerance and misogynous practices. . Now if that is what you crave fine wallow in it but don’t try to export your sickness to the rest of us!
The moment westerners stop questioning, the moment they are forcefully stopped from doing so,(through whatever form of jihad is employed) is the moment that totalitarian thought police take over western democracy.
Is it any wonder, that the red/green alliance is in sync, both seeking to silence ALL dissent? In any case, from my perch-deep within the flash point of Israel-the day I cease criticizing Islam is the day I die.
Simple as that.
Thank you for your courage…stay safe.
We Americans need more vocal and forthright statements of that resolve over here, and in large numbers. Elsewhere I’ve called Muslims resident in America “sleepers” and constituents of a vicious “Fifth Column”.
And that ranks your comment among the more ignorant ones posted to this topic…..!
Sorry, this is so off topic, but when I saw “perch deep” I thought I had missed some aphorism about wading into Lake Michigan.
This is a classic case of bringing a term paper to a gun fight. Do you think the radicals who reach a point of such fanaticism that they can talk themselves into strapping a bomb to their chest to send ball bearings through the fleshy bodies of Jewish school children are you going to be suddenly convinced by your assertions? Do you think the masters of those pawns are going to be? Was it imperative we hyper analyze the teaching of Shinto when fighting the Imperial Japanese Military during World War II.
The discussion of Islamophobia has nothing to do with deconstructing the Koran, or Qur’an or however you want to spell it. If you think the use of Islamophobia is about obscuring textual criticism of Islam’s holy book, you couldn’t be more mistaken. It’s about obscuring their intent to destroy western civilization, and once again, the brain addled left is using them as a truncheon to tear down the establishment so they can build it up again in their image, and then of course they believe they’ll be able to control Islam.
While this book may not convert any Muslims into apostates, Spenser’s assertion that Islam is nothing but a political ideology disguised as religion illustrates the intent of Islam which is as you say, to destroy western civilization. This is not bringing a term paper to a gun fight but instead shines a light on the mistaken idea that Muslims in the US can do as they please and be protected by their constitutional right to freedom of religion. It’s a tall order certainly and a declaration that Islam is not constitionally protected probably won’t happen but this type of disussion can make us less PC when it comes to Islam and less quick to appease them for the sake of their so called right to religious freedom.
Eva – You are so spot-on. Just one further thought: The pen is mightier than the sword. Maybe Spencer’s book will wake some people up to the fact that Islam is not a religion but a totalitarian political ideology bent on world domination. Indeed, no different from Nazi-ism.
Exactly! The nazis were only ‘White’ moslems!
More rubbish from the retarded right wingnuts….!
The nazis were not Muslims nor were the Muslims nazis.
Period.
Eva, thank you for your excellent reply.
All struggles require an intellectual foundation. Spencer supplies that in the struggle against jihad and gender apartheid.
Pani Goska,
“All struggles require an intellectual foundation” – Spot on.
I hope readers check out your blog, http://bieganski-the-blog.blogspot.com/. It is a commendable effort to help rebuild Polish/Jewish relations and correct misconceptions. As an American Jew who is proud of his family ties to Poland, I salute you.
Perhaps we should defend Nazi occultism as a constitutionally protected religion?
Then again, millions defend the Soviet Communist view of history.
(Spengler at PJM calls communism a “religion invented by the West”.
I agree. Religion is founded in politics, even in ancient times.)
Alzebgo religion is not well understood and the Christian faith hardly at all. We have many denominations that call
Christ their Lord and then pay very little attention to His teaching.
I know of no instance where Allah has performed any miracles or delivered
his people. Yet the Christian faith has come up through some very severe persecution that could not have been overcome except by the power and grace of God.
There is a book that records this history, the Martyr’s Mirror compiled in the Dutch language around 1650 By Thielman van J. Braght and is not to be confused with Fox’s Martyr’s Mirror. It is available through Amish and Mennonite sources. It also has early church writings from the time of the Apostles. The church was first persecuted by the Jews and scattered abroad then the gentiles were accepted and it spread throughout the Mediterranean Region taking particular hold in North Africa where the Romans entered villages and required sacrificing a pinch of incense to their god, Jupiter. A believer could not do this so was executed on the spot but where is Jupiter today? The only power he had was by the hand of man.
The priests of old held power by the idols they served but those Idols had no power against holy faith.
Neither does Allah or Muhammad. Joseph Smith had a similar vision to Muhammad that became the Mormon church. Those I have known have been hard working generous and thrifty. But from my perspective are not Christian in the sense that they teach and keep the doctrines once given to the Saints (or believers)
The Bolshevik are Communist bent on revolution against the liberty of capitalism. They teamed up with Islam to get the European colonists out of Africa and replaced them with hatred and violence. At no time has compassion surfaced so we should be mindful that they have not earned any respect for their policies or any protection from criticism. What they are doing is trying to hide their perfidy.
It is also a religion of works such and facing Mecca when they pray and have to be called to prayer five times a day. The Christian has no certain time or position to pray but we often kneel as a sign of respect when making formal prayers.
Perhaps this is enough to think about at one time. No, I do not hate the Muslim any more than we hate the child when he must be corrected. I see no path of peace and contentment in their ranks.
Eva: yes and know. the reason we battle is important but the fact is we still must fight them. and our politicians bending over to seperate the few ‘good ones’ does nothing. the fact is Islam is a violent opressive political system wrapped around religion. it is followed as such not by a few crazies in the woods/mountains, but by 10′s of millions of people, of all walks of life who firmly believe that they MUST destroy our way of life to go to heaven and that any other religion or belief system very existance is a direct attack on theirs no matter what. sure shine a light, but then what. thats is the point here. the lights are on and they have been on. im sure that you are not willing to loose thousands of innocent Americans/ westerners to garner a few apostates? Islam has been this way for 1500 yrs. we have been ‘shining a light’ for over 10 yrs now. the cockroaches are not running and in fact are turning around, strapping bombs to themselves and killing our children. Understand they are fighting a war..REAL war. not a geneva convention slap fight or pr campaign. they see us as the enemy, our men, women and children MUST be either enslaved,converted or destroyed and our history, and way of life eliminated. they will lie cheat, steal kill main, create “phobias”, use our own laws against us..anything they can to acheve their ends. We need to just begin killing them..all of them, bomb the hell out of them. the commentor above was correct when he refrenced ITO and the imperial navy. they had suicide bombers just like islam, but they stopped ONLY when we dropped a fat man and a little boy on their cities. I know people hate to hear it, but it worked. if we dont start just plain old wiping them out we are going to realize that bush, obamas, clintons, geneva appeasemtn and “understanding of war is going to kill us. Thats the light being shown on islam. so now what?
Value judgments aside, that is some seriously perceptive shit. Nukes motivate and make non-believers out of believers. Mass killing isn’t the end of the world; Germans killed 10 million, Russians killed 30 million, Chinese killed 50 million. Pretty much no one gets all fired up about any of that. Short memories, situational ethics, American Idol…who cares?
The reason the cliche
“The pen is mightier than the sword”
exists is that pens recruit swords from among the undecided and as-yet uninvolved. There are a lot of Muslims in the world, but they are not the majority of the world’s population yet.
Re:
…..this excerpt from your good point, “pens recruit swords from among the undecided and as-yet uninvolved. There are a lot of Muslims in the world, …”
I’d like to jump in here and remind all of us of the galling fact that of all of these uninvolved Muslims out of, what….one billion?….that there is a notable lack of effort to recruit an armed militant group sufficiently equipped and organized to fight the barbarous elements of their own co-religionists. Why?…..their Koran won’t permit it.
This, to me, is a glaring example of the rank hypocrisy among those who call themselves “moderate Muslims”, of whatever “degree”. The word “moderate” leaps up here……but how can there be “moderate” adherents of their violent Koran which permits no “moderation”, only death to non believers of the Koran’s verses.
In other words, all practicing Muslims are by their very own Koran’s definition, murderers and butchers of all non-Muslims. How can there be “undecided and as yet uninvolved” Muslims? We know that they exist in large numbers. But, by their own definitions no grey area is permitted. Hence every last on of these Muslims “sleepers” as I call them, is a potential terrorist.
This is suicidal “political correctness” on the part of us Westerners.
Damn Straight Charlie. There’s no other way to look at it or them.
If Hitler had the temerity to declare Nazism a “religion” it’d look exactly like Islam today. Even with their like penchant for killing Jews and “non believers”. And if AH did…do you think that 60 years ago we would have put up with that fallacy and smoke screen? Nah…I think we still would have obliterated Germany…as we might be forced to do in some other regions south of there.
To have our naive, silly PC addled “leaders” from The One to Clinton to our military commanders declare that ” we are not at war with Islam” is sheer nonsense and suicide by PC. Apparently they miss the fact that Islam has declared war against us?
dont forget it was Q who said the “pen is mighter than the sword” only after he gave james bond a pen with a laser in it…hehe
but seriously i hate that saying because it dosent mean what people think it does and its a cliche NOT a battle plan
“This is a classic case of bringing a term paper to a gun fight”
Your comment is a classic case of bringing tactics, or faux tactics to a discussion of meta-strategy.
I don’t always agree with Spencer, but he is brave and knowledgeable. This work gives an important weapon to Muslims who want to oppose those states (esp. Iran) based on an ideology of aggressive political Islam. If western powers oppose rather than appease Iran this work could provide an important assist.
In its own way, this work could be part of the antidote to the early 20th century writings of Al-Bana, Qutb and Khomeni).
The pen recruits the sword.
Worked for Soviet Communism.
Christians may be afraid to look too closely, lest malicious inquiry be made of them.
(Not that they haven’t had plenty of that. Still here, by the way.)
If only they would realize the deeper truths- that the Bible is not just an archaeological treasure trove, but a political encyclopedia as well.
The majority of it’s lessons are political. I wish they’d stop trying to ‘prove’ it as magic; that debases its vast well of wisdom, observation, and preservation.
no not at all. we just dont want to engage in a false moral relative debate about how christians acted a feww hundred yrs ago over Ilam a few minutes ago. People are dying TODAY,…tbhis very secong, not 500 yrs ago. And if you want to critizsie christans then you need to understand that christians grew out of it , islam did not. there isnt a single religion or political sytem that is perfect. And understand im athiest but i can go to a church and critisize jesus if i want. no problems. i may get yelled at and kicked out. try this in islamic countries? IN FACT try any of the basic and innocuous freedoms that you take for granted and created by cristians in an islmaic country, you will either end up dead, beated with and inch of your life, beheaded, or thrown in prision.
BINGO!
Islam will control the brain-addled Left, as it already does.
And, so far as it has been quite alright for them to call us all sorts of names, I see no harm in us returning the favor. Concerning their favorite moniker for us, “Crusader”, I’m in favor of going a step further, namely in living up to that word’s full meaning, as in “they ain’t seen nothing,yet”!
That said, concerning our brain-addled Secretary of State negotiating with them over the criminalization of an (incorrect/undefined) figure of speech, I ask:
Did she not take her oath of office upon our Constitution, which until amended still includes our 1st Amendment rights? And, if so, is not her very act of negotiating with inimical foreign powers, so as to abridge or abandon these, to be considered an act of High Treason? Calling for Impeachment, Trial, and possibly Execution? Or do twits such as herself enjoy immunity?
Why should we care about how Muslims are depicted? Their apologists claim that this has nothing to do with the religion but it is part of the culture of where these things happen. No one stops any negative press about Christians and Christian persecution in these same Muslim countries. Isn’t it ironic that in Muslim countries, they want to suppress other religions but demand tolerance in Western societies?
And the fact that our silly, cowed, dhiminni “leaders” fail to acknowledge this strikes fear into my heart as it should every freedom loving, God fearing American.
Spencer is the furthest from a ‘term-paper-bringer’ as can be. He is outspoken, combative, funny, brave, controversial, undeterred – and endangered.
From reading Pamela Geller’s blog for several years, it seems that he has to take special precautions to protect himself. This is implicit but also explicit.
Compared to Spencer or Geert Wilders (on the subject of tackling Islamic ‘rules’ for non-Muslims criticizing Islam), the rest of us are midgets.
What they do not understand is that as they tear down America they will be sidelined by Islam and there will never be an America to the likings of the Liberal Socialists, in fact there will not be any Liberal Socialists anymore as they will be now the slaves of Islam.
The Muslim is working hand in hand with the Socialist against the common enemy, us. If they can destroy the Conservative Citizen economically, then it will turn into Islam against Liberal, Theology of Islam against Communist Socialism.
We dare not let this happen to America, so make sure you are involved in the fight for our Freedom…
Like Jesus said, you know a tree by its fruit.
What is the fruit of Islam? Death, destruction and dictatorships. It’s a government run religion presenting the worst of all possible worlds for those poor souls enslaved to it. I’ve read a couple of Robert’s books and I plan on getting this one too. Keep fighting the good fight Mr. Spencer. Godspeed.
Saudi Arabia is the force behind the MB and OIC, lets not forget who is calling the shots.
The USA will never go against Saudi interests since they provide the liquidity pool of cash that drives the US dollar. Your elected officials gave control of US currency to Saudi Arabia in 1971 by pegging US dollar to Saudi Petro Dollar system and we have served their interests since.
We will continue serving Saudi Interests and by extension MB and OIC as we have no choice in the matter.
The oil boom and myth of scarcity has funded the Wahhabi cult and the spread of violent Islam. All the more reason to become energy independent and let the next wave of industrial revolution and innovation pull us out of our financial funk. This is a game the Islamists cannot play. They are parasites.
BINGO!
First, in November, vote Obozo out of office.
That should go a long way, because it is a necessary first step,
toward advancing the cause of energy independence, which is a first
step toward financial recovery and independece, both together being
the sine qua non for returning the “world of islam” to the 7th century,
whence they came and where they belong!
Rodger I agree that voting Obama out is a needed step but we must also reject the philosophy that put him in office. He wasn’t elected on his own merit but on a faulty concept that we have followed since and somewhat before 1932 when we fist put Franklin Delano Roosevelt in office. Islam was not an issue at that time nor is it a the real issue at this time. Obama is more a result that a cause. Just too big a swig of white lightening.
Which is why Gang Green opposes energy independence for the US/North America de facto (but not in rhetoric). Ever wondered why all the Big Environmental groups are so rich?
Amen to that! The Saudis in large part fund(ed) the Green movement, giving the Reds a home. The Russian Mafya and the Islamic Golden Chain (similar state sponsored mafyas) have been abusing and laundering money through Wall St. and the BIS banking system since the 80′s, if not before.
Stop being a dildo.
Now it`s time for Islam to be investigated for its basement autenticity as it was with the Christianity in 19 century,when it became clear that there where no real Jesus` witnesses and no historical evidence (excluding the forgeries).
The similar fate of all religions means nothing and doesn`t influence the fierce fights of the believers.
What rot. Romans kept records of EVERYTHING and Jesus is in those records. Separate records of Joseph of Aramathea also agree with the Roman records and the Bible.
a fellow named Josephus (the Aramathean guy mentioned above) wrote a history of the holy-land region and was contemporaneous with John the Baptist and Jesus. He mentions both of them in his work. I’m not sure how well you could possibly have researched your comment, since the Bible and Josephus’s history are pretty much the sum total of the verified historical writings from that time and that area of the world, and both of those sources confirm at least the existence of a preacher named Jesu of Galilee.
Perhaps the most stupid and ill-informed comment I’ve ever read on PJM. It doesn’t warrant any further response.
I’ve read rather deeply into the book, “The Hidden Origins of Islam: New Research into Its Early History”, edited by Karl-Heinz Ohlig and Gerd-R. Puin. I assume you, Mr.Spencer, made great use of it in writing you book (which I haven’t yet read, but intend to). Your book is intended to bring information such as Ohling and Puin present to a wider audience, a more general reading public.
But I think another book is just as important for understanding Islam, and it is Robert R. Reilly’s “The Closing of the Muslim Mind: How Intellectual Suicide Created the Modern Islamist Crisis”. This is an thorough compilation of the intellectual traditions in Islam, and the story of the triumph of Asherite theology (and philosophy of anti-philosophy) over the Mutazilites, who were devoted to Aristotle. Oh, the Mutazilites were strict Muslims and so on, but they thought about Allah and philosophy in general with thought; i.e., they believed in the human power to think, to know, to apprehend reality, and that God used rationality, and indeed, morality, as well.
Had they won out in the end, Islam would be utterly different than it is today. Unfortunately, the Asherite liquidated the Mutazilites.
It was the Asherites who were totally anti rationality, anti morality, anti a God who treated us morally. Their core idea was that Allah was sovereign, so totally so that his will was above everything, above rational thought, about thought, above morality. The end result of the Asherite victory over the Mutazilites was the creation of a cult of death, really, death to philosophy, science, humans as rational beings, indeed, the death of Allah as a rational being.
Because of the Asherites, Muslims believe the entire universe is destroyed every second, and every second recreated by Allah. Incredible? No, they believe it. They believe you cannot life your arm or move your fingers without the DIRECT WILL of Allah doing it. You can have your own private thoughts, it seems, but that’s it. You cannot ACT without Allah doing it. Fire doesn’t burn, water isn’t wet, the sun doesn’t rise in the east, unless Allah directly, every nanosecond, wills it to happen, directly.
The only reason that in each succeeding second, reality looks pretty much like it did the previous second, is because, for reasons impossible to know and impious to ask about, Allah wills it to be so. As physical reality is the mere whim of Allah, so is moral reality. Muslims believe ANYTHING can be moral, if Allah wills it. Allah is not a moral God who makes covenants with humanity. Allah is completely inscrutable, unknowable (and it is immoral to speculate about Allah or Allah’s motives). All we need do is submit to Allah’s will, which is, whatever the hell happens to happen.
Someone like Rik above might not really understand the details of all this, but gets the gist. However, for more to realize the truth, the details of Reilly’s book need to be disseminated as far and as wide as possible for us, for with Islam-as-Asherite-dominated-thing, we face something as horrible, as destructive, as devastating to ALL human culture as a massive asteroid impact. Once you read Reilly’s book, you’ll find it difficult to sleep ever again.
But of course, “The Closing of the Muslim Mind” is also quite an intellectual book, so perhaps Mr. Spencer can work with Mr. Reilly to produce a version for our (I am devastated to say) dumbed-down, pc culture, before it is too late.
Mr. Spencer, perhaps you covered this philosophical side of the problem in your other works. I’m sorry I haven’t read them all as I would like.
An Préachán
PS Alex at 5 above: The Saudis embrace the absolute WORST form of living Asherite belief, via the Wahhabi sect. We need to investigate EVERYTHING they do or sponsor in the U.S., and develop our own massive fossil fuels capability (and nuke reactors, too) as fast as we can. “When you sup with the devil, you need a long spoon.” Very, very long, indeed.
Excellent post. thank you.
ditto
The view of Allah you present gives insight into the intractability of Islamic diehards today.
Sayyid Qutb & Hassan al-Banna (1940′s) whose writings are so instrumental to people like Qaradawi and Ayman al Zawahiri, seemed to be strange control freaks, men who had it in for music and dance and much else in human expression.
Jealous, lonely men.
I reject the rigidity of diehard Islam, its crushing of the human spirit, its desperate need for control, particularly obsessive in anything having to do with domestic matters.
Islamophobia still connotes fear to me, which is not what I have.
I believe in live and let live, but when it comes to the diehards in Islam, I am a MisoIslamist, cumbersome term that it may be.
Hidden buggery is the reason for the cognitive dissonance.
This is what happens when a male homosexual ethos is enforced on a majority hetero population.
Male homosexuality is exaggerated male behavoir.
Lesbian behavoir is quite different.
Male homosexuals, in past armies, were the shock troops, the suicide squads, the beserkers. Handy in war.
Bedouin travelers sexed each other on long trips away from the women at home.
“There was no shame in it.”
Basha bak- harems of little boys in lipstick- are extremely common.
The only females acessible are often relatives.
I’ve been around enough truly low scum to know that what we call molestation
drives people a bit nuts. Makes ‘em twisty. Most modern ‘lesbians’ got that way being abused by mom’s welfare boyfriend. Prison rape does it too. Now expand said twistiness thru the centuries.
I think Islamic insanity has much more basic causes.
Hidden, yet common, molestation, incest, and close cousin marraige.
Add the ancient ‘fertility’ cult of Hubal-al-illah (Sin, in Babylon), bandit sex slavery, R&R camps where fighters are promised rivers of wine and all the little sex slaves they want, and Bedouin homosexual practice, and you get a culture whose only large industry is force-breeding soldiers to make slave raids. Perhaps this explains why 90% of Muslim porn focuses on anal rape.
I have often thought about the kinkier aspects of practices in hardcore Islam today.
I read up some on the unbelievable behaviors demanded of practitioners in “Wudu”. Living under those strictures would drive anyone nuts.
Or the endless rulings of al-Sistani in Iraq whose days seemed to be passed making detailed pronouncements on things as trivial as which toothpaste was islamically correct.
The rituals prescribed and practices demanded in Ayatollah Khomenei’s Little Green Book are beyond weird. And all those instructions as to how to proceed after sex with an animal !
And the buying of male children by adult Pashtun males.
Sayyid Qutb was so outraged by the bobby soxers in late 1940′s Colorado (they probably wouldn’t dance with him), he went back to Egypt and made it all up.
My knowledge is spotty, but consistent
Thank you for the input.
I have read that when Arab jihadists from north Africa and the middle East flocked to Afghanistan, they routinely pulled aside Pashtun & village boys and forced them to submit to anal sex.
Apparently this caused much unhappiness among the Afghani village elders, so the Taliban intervened and came up with a “behavior” agreement which Arabs were expected to follow.
Will someone please tell me why our State Department routinely gives green cards to people from countries which consider sexual assaults of boys a non-event?
An Préachán,
Your comments on the intractability of the will of Allah are very illuminating.
If you read the milblogs, you may find expressions of deep frustration by US military personnel tasked with training Iraqi police. They had to confront people to whom the notion of personal responsibility did not make any sense. This has to be a cultural attribute, not a human attribute. It is often remarked that Islam does a good job of ensuring social cohesion, by mandating behavior under strict rules. This is another suggestion about the possibility of “designer religion” as exposed by Spencer, a creation of a system of personal behavior for the “perfect” subjects to a tyrannical and arbitrary ruler in this world, justified by a tyrannical ruler in the heavens. In that Machiavellian sense, political Islam is the ultimate masterpiece, because it can indeed fabricate suicide bombers, as well as ennuchs, or any other form of denied individual dignity. If we don’t see this, we are committing a grave error of projection, because we take personal responsibility for granted.
But morality does not get into our minds in the same way as oxygen gets into our lungs. Personal responsibility is the outcome of the Judeo-Christian ethics. If we persist in ignoring this, we may never realize how fragile and brittle Islam can really be if squarely confronted. How else can one explain how the Saudi monarchs are afraid of the Bible?
There is another factor, perhaps Robert Spencer has the resources to address.
I have read that first cousin arranged marriages have been the norm in countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan for a thousand plus years.
Anyone who has read Egyptian history has read authorities who account for the insanity of the Egyptian pharos primarily attributed to incestuous marriage.
Can anyone address how prevalent very close kinship marriages are in Aghanistan and Pakistan or in other tribal countries? What effect has close intermarriage on their healthy child birth rate? What effect on the intellect of children from a thousand years of consanguinous marriages?
Islam at its root is an anti-intellectual movement. Its basic philosophy is that nothing will or can happen unless their god [Allah] wills it. Therefore, there is no point in wasting time with intellectual or scientific inquiry. In fact, independent thought can lead to charges of blasphemy. This why most of the Islamic world is in such a backward and deplorable state.
The clash of Islam’s anti-intellectualism and the West’s enlightment is the root cause of all the turmoil we see today. The West’s biggest problem is that we seem willing to surrender our enlightenment to appease Islamic anti-intellectualism. Every time we yield to the charge of Islamophobia we surrender a little more enlightenment and become a little more anti-intellectual.
In our own way, we all need to become Robert Spencer’s and use intellectual inquiry as our main defense against the Islamic threat. It is the weapon they fear most, they simply are not equipped to deal with it.
The problem is that PC sensibilities limit our ability to defend ourselves, and the slightest protest against jihad is labelled Islamophobia (according to Islam, non-Muslims have no right of self-defense against attacks by Muslims).
We need to get our act together, and proactively challenge Muslims to support their claims with rational evidence in EVERY place they raise their arguments.
Let’s shame them with their own superstitions, so that every rational-minded person will be embarrassed to appease their totalitarian murder cult.
Muslims should not be in the USA, they should be in prison, or they should be dead.
when we were at war with Japan, when the Japanese attacked the US, just like the muslims attacked the US,
We locked up the japs living in America.
those jails are available and could be filled with muslims, or they could be killed, or they could be returned to the middle east.
Why stop with the Muslims? Who else would you kill? You are sick.
….no, he’s not sick at all. Read American history of the period 1942-45. You’ve apparently swallowed too much salt water off of Escondido. Put the board away, research will be revelatory…affords a much needed perspective which is so lacking.
…and you are a fool.
If you are diagnosed with cancer, do you kill yourself or do you get treatment to eradicate the illness? Islam is a disease that destroys any society that it comes in contact with. Eliminate the illness and you are once again healthy.
Replace “Islam” with “Judaism” and you’re pretty much quoting Hitler verbatim. Nice job.
If we replaced Islam with Judaism, there wouldn’t be a problem, genius.
Islamic ideology and Nazi ideology are basically identical (world domination, genocide of non-Muslims). Like the Imperial Japanese, Muslims were allied with the Nazis in WWII.
Take a look at history, including the very recent history of Muslim genocides of non-Muslims in Africa (most notably in the Sub-Sahara, Sudan, and Nigeria) and Asia (most notably in Bangladesh and Afghanistan).
Just because they call their ideology a “religion” doesn’t mean that rational people have to respect and accept it in our country.
I have said many times that ANY Moslem immigrant living in the West that engages in subversion or terrorism should be deported immediately. Forget the damned trials that are a waste of time and money. KICK THEM OUT, PERIOD. Yes, I know that they can plan attacks from abroad, but they at least cannot drive their cars into crowds, harass and attack people on the streets or rape local women. The fact that they are allowed to live freely in the West while thousands of Christians and Jews are persecuted in Moslem countries makes my blood boil.
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The best response to 911 would’ve been banning all Muslim passengers from our planes.
And why can’t we do reverse immigration as well?
Deport the majority. Pay them for their property.
Subject the remainder to the same immigrant reporting and restrictions as WWII.
I call it immigration law-fare.
Less bloodshed than a confused military response.
Islam thrives on war, but it dies when it can’t expand it’s territory.
Quarantine is it’s greatest fear.
Dead is good. All of them, every last iota.. (Where did I hear that before? Hmm. FOB?)
What is sick is Islam and it’s throwback retarded violent nature. Extermination would be my objective. Total, complete, not a one left above room temperature.
We’re still as free to question Islam as we are to question Black culture, Gay rights, and abortion.
That would be like noticing the explosion of deviants hiring each other in protected government and media enclaves. Can’t do that. I’m certain they value the same things as “working families” (union commies, gangsta ward organizers, and crank whores).
I find the whole thing very encouraging. As noted above Islam is anti-intellectual, and more read Al-Ghazali he is anti anything not written in the Koran.
This lack of criticism will encourage them to continue as they are, and further not adapt to changing circumstances.
Thus emboldened they simply, being part of a revealed religion simply will not stop until they win or are destroyed. Moderation and balance is not part of the narrative: we are special and nothing is our fault.
Their model does not fit the world and we are encouraging them to persist to final destruction: I like it.
There is not a week goes by without National Geographic, or the History Channel, or the Green Channel, or the Channel Channel, running some program in which some flannel-headed academic wanders around some archaeological dig somewhere near Jerusalem telling us how this pot shard or that spoon proves that if indeed the crucifixion took place it was east not west or in the evening not the morning or whatever. There is a drumbeat of programming intended to question, undermine and defeat the foundations of Christianity. And that’s OK: it is academic freedom, first amendment, and yadda yadda. So be it. Christianity has survived worse.
But ask any questions about Islam, whether it be to question the legend of Muhammad or point out some of the more barbaric features of the faith, and you are “Islamophobic.” What exactly is Islam so afraid of that it must so energetically squelch inquiry and probing?
Ummm…..is it anti-Semitic to question whether God spoke directly to Moses? Is it anti-Christian to depict Jesus as a Caucasian? Why is Robert Spencer so obsessed with the faith beliefs of others? Shouldn’t he focus on the behavior of the bad guys and on exposing the provable fact that the Palestinians have no intentions of living in peace with Israel, and have been honest enough to document this in the founding charters of all their major organizations.
AMEN David! Gabriel must be furious! Besmirching a good angel….
Satan was the most beautiful angel and quite narcissistic, along with thousands of other horrible traits. That old dude on the mountain had an encounter with the father of lies…a defeated coward and look what came of it..Islam. The historical facts can’t be checked…from what I heard, some of the instructions from “Jin”..(Isn’t that the muslim name for satan?)are written on ancient camel bones! We have to pray for this huge group of deceived people. So sad that one of them is little Barry. It’s all Taqqui.
for truth of islam go to
http://www.islareform.net
If you have to ask if an idea is Islamophobic, it IS Islamophobic. That is the way these rackets work. Ditto for racism, war on women, etc.
This statement of Robert Spencer’s is a warning sign of the not so latently dangerous times in which we who oppose the clearly stated barbarisms of Islam and its Muslim practitioners are living:
…..”It is most interesting that the book Did Muhammad Exist? has been greeted with silence or opprobrium.”
Now, think about that for a while. Why silence? Is it because no one can think of anything positive to say about Spencer’s book? That says more about the milquetoast critics than it does about the verity of Spencer’s researches which doubtless stand on their own. Are potential critics of this necessary book intimidated by practicing Muslims adhering to Islam’s clearly stated aims of conquering and subjugating all who don’t practice Islam?…..using violent means?…against those who directly or indirectly question Islam? ….even in the name of the honest search for “knowledge”?
Robert Spencer, in my humble opinion, is akin to Salmon Rushdie. Those passively silent potentially complimentary critics should be ashamed of themselves for not voicing their approval.
Nothing needs to be said about those voicing their no doubt breathless opprobrium. They just suffer from those auto-induced quivering, involuntary knee-jerks; they can be counted on to be be shrill on just about any topic….covering their donkey-rear ends.
AmericanEagle1392,
If Robert Spencer is obsessed with the faith beliefs of others, then Newton must have been obsessed with gravity! That is nonsense. Mr. Spencer is doing the kind of scholarly work that can encourage us to exercise our own human capacity for inquiry, instead of getting tangled into fancy theories about islamophobia instead of recognizing it as clever contrivance on the part of people who have noticed our capacity for being ignorant about the merits of our own culture.
Why is it so difficult? I think it is because we can’t appreciate a culture which practically banishes individual responsibility if we don’t recognize that our culture is based on individual responsibility in the first place, i.e., we cannot understand the cultural inheritance of the Muslims if we do not understand the origin of our own values to begin with. There is no way to understand anything whatsoever about Islam without a minimum inquiry into comparative theology, which requires becoming soundly self-aware of the roots of our culture before shooting from the hip with mindless guilt-driven reflexes.
There would not be any room for the allegation of islamophobia if we were not stupidly getting all wrapped-up into being afraid of the word Christmas and felt obligated to use some silly winter holiday or any other lame label to cover for the shameful emasculation of our culture.
Mr. Spencer’s books are a wake-up call. If we somehow manage to lose a healthy pride for the intellectual treasures our Judeo-Christian heritage, then subjugation under Islam is all we deserve!
Obama’s administration continually makes it clear Islam is the one true established religion. The State Department and DoD seem as invested in dawah as their actual jobs.
Hillary Clinton is now coordinating with the OIC to find a way around our pesky First Amendment to allow a little sharia blasphemy punishment into our lives.
When Rev. Jones had the world’s attention by holding hostage a mass-produced bit of paper (the Koran), he got a call from the Secretary of Defense on top of having every level of government, and his insurance company, attempt to silence and bankrupt him.
So it’s clear you can criticize Muhammed for a little while longer. Not much longer though.
Excellent book Robert. I’m now convinced that the pedophile prophet never existed. Islam was born out of a heretical sect of “Christians” who denied Christ’s divinity. And now, being fully in the power of Satan, they seek most of all to kill Jews.
Muslems say they are a religion of peace and if you disagree they will kill you!!
Mohammed never existed, Islam is not a religion
Islam is a scam
Islam is a con job,
Muslim are the enemy
very simple and easy to understand, lock up all the muslims until the war on terror is won,
I await a PJM article posing the question of “Is it possible to question Israel and not be considered anti-Semitic?”
I can not write for this web site, but I would/have help defended your right to freedom of speech. If your American that is. However, you are not allowed to make stuff up.
Cheers,
No need to make stuff up when saying ALL foreign aid should be ended is met with, “omg that’s anti-Semitism” because Israel would be included in no longer getting billions of U.S. taxpayer money. Or when things like H.R. 4133 pass which is basically a blank check for Israel and includes things like a commitment “to keep Israel a Jewish state” (separation of church and state?).
Or when Netanyahu says in front of Congress the U.S. doesn’t need to send troops to Israel because Israel defends itself, but then someone else says the same thing it’s “omg you’re an anti-Semite!”
“Does Muhammad Exist”?.. Is itself a foolish question! Yes Jesus do not exist but Muhammad exist. Is Islamophobians are so deaf and ignorant that they do not listen to the Five Times Prayer Calls?. Analyse the Holy Calls of Prayer andthe existance of Muhammad will be shone out in their dirty mind and will clear all the dirt and germs from it. Still got question?? Do not hesitate to ask!! But, ask the Proper Muslims not the MB or Wahhabis or other sects!!
24. Kessani
“Does Muhammad Exist”?.. Is itself a foolish question! Yes Jesus do not exist but Muhammad exist.”
If I read you right you are saying Jesus does not exist? Man, you better go back and read your Koran again. There are many references to Jesus as a prophet in there.
Perry is right. There are many more references to Jesus than to Muhammad in the Koran, and this is easily verified. It also clearly states that Jesus was born of a virgin, spoke miraculously as a baby (not true), and was a prophet. There are also more references to Moses than to Muhammad. You should read the Koran in a language you understand well if you have not already done this. You clearly have no real familiarity with it. And read Robert’s book before you deride it. Then you will see how badly you have been deceived.
Kessami, the five prayers in Islam are not islamic but came from theSabeans, check the pre islamic history of Islam, even Ramamdan is pagan Arabian
Breaking news…NY and NJ cleared of charges that they “illegally” surveilled, monitored spied on Muslims in their houses of destruction, mosques. A judge declared that it was indeed LEGAL as many terrorist plots had been stopped and foiled by the cops surveillance!
Muslims are whining as usual ( the “religion” of perpetual whining ) that it’s illegal, unfair and Islamophobic…and causers them such distress to be singled out….for the terrorists these cops actually arrested. For me…it’s enough reason to close down every one of their terrorism / terrorist planning centers.
According to others:
I’m Islamopobic. I don’t agree with Muslims and feel they are a threat to American liberties.
I’m also a racist. I disagree with the path Obama has taken America. I believe he is attempting to turn us into a Socialist/Marxist society.
I’m a bigot. I believe the Black Panthers should stand trial for committing voter intimidation.
I’m a White Supremest. I believe the Black Panthers should be arrested for calling for the MURDER of innocent ‘cracker’ BABIES and also for CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT MURDER with the anouncement of a dead or alive poster for Zimmerman.
I’m homophobic. I believe that being a homosexual is neither normal or natural. I also believe we should not allow homosexual marriage.
I’m also a hate monger because I believe everyone has the right to be armed and protect their home and property.
I’m also unAmerican because I believe in deportation of illegal aliens even though I welcome LEGAL immigrants.
If these are the definitions of these words as defined by some, then I wear them PROUDLY.
I’m PROUD to be an Islamophobic, racist, bigot, White Supremest, homophobic, hate mongering, unAmerican American and I will continue to be so.
Mr Patriot:
Now that we have reviewed your post, we will be making a house call to conduct an interview with you about your attitude.
Based on our findings, we may have to send you to one of our new progressive thought reorientation facilities.
We know who you are and where you live.
Sincerely,
The PC Thought Police
And your hateful ways will send you right to hell after you die, God is love!!
Good day all.
The great state of Kansas has a new law on the books which will be a nice little trial balloon for the rest of he country.
It’s non-descript, so as not to offend or single out any specific group, but it will be interesting to see how it plays out over time, especially in the courts (since I can see someone eventually bringing a legal challenge against it).
I get a real kick out of everyone arguing the point of whether Islam is a religion or Political Ideology, or when it was invented and why. These morons are not different that when Christianity was first invented, and its need, just like Islam to have a Monotheistic belief system. Yes monotheism is easier to control because their is less conflict in trying to keep track of multiple gods who supposedly argue over how to govern the stupid animals called humans…..
What you morons don’t get, is that your GODS are Aliens ! Yes even some of those little greys every seems to think are the only one visiting us. Citizens of other planets have been visiting us for millennia. Early ignorant humans didn’t know what to make of those advanced visitors, thus bowed at their feet hoping against hope that they were not eaten.
Humans are still doing the same stupid genuflecting in dire hope that what they think of as their gods don’t eat them for supposed transgressions. It is time for humanity to wake up and stop arguing over whose religious belief system is more suited to appeasing the GODS and understand that they are still here, and some do watch over us, and others who want to take advantage of us.
Our maturity as a race of animals will be when we stop lying to ourselves and wake up to reality.
If the web site below is taken at face value the prophet existed and was an evil sob before he went a bit weird and saw an angel, perhaps by eating hallucinogenic cactus or bread made from moldy corn that that creates lsd type substance.
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html
He didn’t exist. Read the book if you haven’t. Robert points out the impossibility of proving a thing does not or did not exist or happen. But then operating on the basis of reasonability he proves beyond any reasonable doubt that no such person existed. It makes much, much more sense that this was a politically motivated invention. A lie. Pure and simple.
Allah is not God!