Is Europe Awakening to Islamist Threat?
The political situation in Europe today is quite different from the stereotype of a continent hostile to the United States (even if Obama is personally popular) and Israel, appeasement-oriented toward Iran and revolutionary Islamism, and eagerly multicultural and politically correct.
True, it is more oriented in that direction than North America, but there is a real struggle afoot.
In many countries — notably the Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Germany, and to a slightly lesser extent the United Kingdom and France — the partisan gap between the left and center-right marks a boundary of much greater significance than a decade or two ago. Although each situation is different, the parties of the left tend to be more anti-American and anti-Israel and less alert to the threat of revolutionary Islamism, as well as favor continued large-scale immigration and big-state, big-spending policies.
Take the Netherlands as a case study. After elections last month, the parties of the center-right hold 83 seats, while those of the left have 67. Since there are ten parties in parliament, talks to form a coalition government will last for weeks, especially since the two largest have only twenty percent each. In the elections, only three seats changed hands between blocs.
But the big news was the shift within the center-right — the rise of the People’s Party for Freedom (PVV) led by the controversial Geert Wilders, which almost tripled its presence from 9 to 24 seats. To his enemies, almost no epithet is too extreme to throw at Wilders. The flamboyant Wilders has been outspoken in opposing immigration, especially that of Muslims, making a sharp critique of political Islamism and sometimes Islam itself.
The power of the Dutch state was turned on Wilders, who is currently on trial for making statements which in America would fall well within constitutional protection. State television ran documentaries during the election designed to paint him as a virtual Nazi.
What is Wilders’ program? First, a sharp limitation on asylum seekers admitted into the country, and none from Muslim-majority states. No dual nationality, no new mosques, no separate Islamic schools, no wearing of burqas, and no government subsidies for Islamic media. Mosques where violence is propagated will be closed. Heavy punishment for female circumcision. For their first ten years in Holland, immigrants receive no social benefits or citizenship. At the end of that period, those with no criminal record will receive full citizenship.
The rise in support for Wilders’ party is in large part a response to serious concern over the domestic situation in the country. Aside from the assassination of a filmmaker by a radical Islamist, there has been a steep increase in crime and social welfare spending. Amsterdam, not long ago the most gay-friendly city in the world, is a place where homosexuals might be attacked in the streets by Muslim immigrant youth. A recent television program followed three Jews wearing identifiable garb as they strolled around the city, being harassed and insulted.
Twenty percent of Dutch teachers report that attempts to teach about the Holocaust, in the country of Anne Frank, were rejected or disrupted by immigrant children.
While Muslims still comprise only a bit more than 5 percent of the population, whole areas of Dutch cities have a majority of people who are recent immigrants and whose commitment to assimilation into the country’s continued norms is questionable. For example, it is frequently estimated that up to half the country’s Muslim population is sympathetic to the September 11 attacks.
Basically, it is Europe’s survival that is at stake. Right now, it’s impossible to predict the outcome. Geert Wilders, far from being radical or extreme right-wing, is actually a moderate. My guess is that movements that advocate the outright expulsion of Muslims will become more popular in the near future. It is also possible that the Euro will soon be no more & this might lead to the end of the EU as a political organization. Should that happen, Europe will move much more to the Right & there will be a rise in nationalist political parties. Economic collapse, also a possibility (if not a probability), will accelerate such a movement.
The undemocratic, unaccountable, multiculturalist morons with their sick political correctness will attempt by any means to hold on to their undeserved position. But, I have a feeling that they will not be successful – the Left/Liberal paradigm is coming to an end.
I am very much in agreement with the correction of some of the labels Mr Rubin injudiciously attaches to Mr Wilders (controversial; extreme), perhaps succumbing unwittingly to the prevailing journalese. Come to think of it, I am very much in agreement overall.
i guess you can always dream…they are like a planters wart..tentacles in every direction
a day late and a dollar short = Europe…we/re next…
After I read Mark Steyn’s seminal work, America Alone, I realized that the Europe of the Rennaiscence and the Reformation was for all intents and purposes dead. Europe is going to turn into Eurabia by the middle of this century. London has already become Londonstan, and French Jews who can are getting out of France as fast as their legs can run.
Knowledgeable and aware Christian Brits are emigrating to Australia and America by the droves, as are their Scandinavian counterparts.
European countries in which Arabs and Moslems are treated like scum, like Russia, Ukraine, Belorus, and a few other countries in the East of Europe are simply dying on the vine from lack of reproduction.
In as little as ten years Europe will be little different from Tunisia or Morocco with huge numbers of unemployed Arabs living off entitlements and causing no end of crime and other social problems while at the same time reproducing non stop.
“Jews who can are getting out of France as fast as their legs can run.”
uh, where are your stats ?
do they go to Israel ?
cuz, last time I checked, only retired were buying into Tel Aviv
the others, mainly those that came from Algeria, are going to Florida, where they jumped on the constructions low prices
and the typical french Jews (mostly laics) who are more of the lefty culture, and don’t buy your Eurabia argumentation
though they don’t quit for goods, they make businesses in both places
Actually, there’s a lot of immigration to Israel from France, half of the appartments in my building are owned by French Jews not as yet ready to live here full time. They are not retired either. And, many buildings in my neighborhood are the same. I have a friend who is a teacher at the Ulpan (intensive Hebrew for immigrants) & I am teaching her French so she can better teach the increasing numbers of French Jews making aliyah.
You hear as much french in Netanya as Hebrew.
well check this video, the french Jews that make their alya, do that mostly for religious motivation, or for joining some members of their family, but not really because of “Eurabia”. Also They are given helps, up to 3000 euros, and a flat. Though if they fail to find a job after a few months, a third would attempt another adventure elsewhere, or would return to France.
Sure, Netanya, you hear people speak french, it’s the first place where they are given a appartment
http://jssnews.com/2010/01/10/video-lalya-des-juifs-de-france-en-2009/
Marie Claude.
I have to disagree. In my experience, almost ALL of the French Jews making aliyah have told me the main reason for making aliyah was that there was no future for them in France because of ”Eurabia” – also, very few were particularly religious. In addition, none of the French that I know were given appartments, on the contrary, they actually buy appartments that are very expensive by Israeli standards. I do agree that many do not succeed here, it’s difficult to find a good job, difficult to succeed in starting a business, many have difficulty learning Hebrew.
Terry, it’s explained in the video report from my above link
Also the french people that emigrate are aof all ages from 20 years old to 70′s
Marie,
On top of the 2,500-3,000 French Jews going to Israel every year, you have to add in those going to the USA (Florida, New York and New Jersey in particular) and to Canada (Quebec, mostly). Add in to that those that leave on student or work visas and simply don’t come home, and my guess is that more than 10,000 French Jews are leaving every year, or 2% of the total.
Eric, would you say that these French emigrate because they are Jew ? Not only the Jews, but also many French youngs would do that too, when they get an opportunity to find better conditions for earning their life, or to make businesses
Though like a certain percentage of our people emigrate, we also get a significant percentage of immigrants from the eastern republics too, lots of Polish, Ukrainians, Russians… are coming to France when our African immigration has been officialy restrainted since a decade, unfortunately we still have illigals that enter into our territory through the porous EU borders.
I don’t deny that our jewish community is getting “stigmatised” by our bigger muslim community, this is where our governments must be careful, they have to educate our muslims to be tolerant and to not assimilate the palestinian conflict as their conflict on our territory, and see in our jewish community the replica of the state of Israel
see this video about the jewish community in Quebec:
http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/x4b5t6
not only french Jews are going there, but also Israeli, British…, Canada is still a emigration territory with better opportunities than our old continent.
as far France is concerned your number is wrong
En 2009 aussi, c’est l’Europe qui est restée le principal continent fournisseur de nouveaux olim (“immigrants” en hébreu): 8.562 olim sont arrivés en Israël d’un pays européen, soit 59% des immigrants de l’année dernière. La France a fourni 1.556 immigrants en 2009, soit presque le même chiffre (1.562 olim) qu’en 2008. Autrement dit, 1 immigrant sur 10 arrivés en 2009 est originaire de France.
Désormais, la France est le quatrième pays pour le nombre de ses Juifs qui émigrent en Israël. La première place est toujours détenue par la Russie (3.244 olim en 2009), suivie des Etats-Unis (2.473 olim) et de l’Ukraine (1.602 olim). Le cinquième rang est détenu par l’Angleterre avec seulement 708 immigrants arrivés en 2009.
Les chiffres officiels de l’immigration permettent de dresser le profil moyen du Juif qui a émigré en Israël en 2009: c’est une femme (53% de olim), qui vient d’un pays de l’ex-Urss (47% des olim) et dont l’âge moyen est de 29,5 ans.
Le communiqué publié par l’Institut de la Statistique indique aussi la répartition géographique des nouveaux immigrants lors de leur arrivée en Israël. Les 1.556 immigrants de France arrivés en 2009 ont préféré s’installer à Jérusalem (369 olim de France), Netanya (289 olim) et Ashdod (180 olim). Les autres Juifs de France ont choisi Tel Aviv, Raanana et Ashkelon.
Depuis la création de l’Etat d’Israël, 3 millions de nouveaux immigrants sont venus s’y installer. Le tiers d’entre eux est arrivé en Israël dans les années 1990-1999, essentiellement en provenance des ex-pays de l’Union soviétique.—
http://www.israelvalley.com/news/2010/02/25/26515/israel-aliya-la-france-est-le-4e-fournisseur-d-immigrants-a-israel-1-556-juifs-de-france-ont-emigre-en-israel-en-2009-l-i
“… they have to educate our muslims to be tolerant and to not assimilate the palestinian conflict as their conflict on our territory, and see in our jewish community the replica of the state of Israel.”
Good luck with THAT!!!
“Eric, would you say that these French emigrate because they are Jew ? ”
Yes, I believe it to be the overwhelming reason.
Jews have a right to be safe anywhere in the world. The only way for that to happen is to instill fear in the anti-semite. There should be Jewish baseball teams all over Europe. A league perhaps. Thirty or forty Jewish men playing baseball is bound to attract some attention.
Ever get hit with a metal bat? A Louisville slugger?
There is only one thing the anti-semite understands and only one response to anti-semitism that works.
Wilders immigration proposals seem entirely reasonable. I don’t understand what the agenda is for the pro-immigration people. Unfortunately, it will probably take the detonation of a dirty radioactive device to make everyone come around to a type of immigrant that has never been seen in the West and whose religion is not just a religion but system of gov’t that cannot be unraveled. Furthermore, it is easily the most bigoted and endemically hostile culture in the world as it easily cows the peaceful majority in its penchant for self-segregation. The West, including America, are absolute dolts on this issue and their assurance that all people are indeed equal is a laughable distortion of the Declaration of Independence they learned from Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoons. Immigration as cultural suicide seems all the rage in the West. Why? I have absolutely no idea.
Relative to the Historic Mohammad mandated jihad abject domination & destruction of ALL INFINDELs aka non-muslims: Rodrigo de Bivar/El Cid of Spain had a viable solution for the Muslim Radical Ben Yusef: Go Home of die; Rodrigo’s ‘assimilated Muslim neighbors helped destroy Ben Yusef’s armies: Those Spanish-ized muslims are now long sense hybrid/assimilated into the culture of greater modern Spain. But El Cid was unique in that he had the prior benefit of Robert the ‘HAMMER’ Martel abjectly CRUSHING THE MUSLIM ADVANCE. Genghis Khan did the same and Europe/Western civilization is in his debt. After that Vlad Dracul Sepich(Hero of Rumania) ate borsht and PSYCHED-OUT the Muslim/Turks while abjectly destroying their jihadist armies. We are all in his debt; my countryman Bram Stoker not withstanding.
Basic Meccan-Jihadist-Islam has ‘not’ changed and 1,400 years of Mohammad-approved chronic 1st-cousin inbreeding has rendered Islam to be deadly-hostile & sociopathically-homicidal to everything near & dear to the Western Spiritual Zeitgeist. The Spartan-300 were hardly wrong & if Europe forgets. . . then Europe dies. . . and soon. . . Beauty is only skin deep; but bone-headed PC-Yuppiest arrogant apathy goes to the bone; and also to the death. . . Sayonara EU; you were a sadly brief, while vainly promising late-great organization. J. O’Suileabhain P.S. ?Australia anyone?
PPS: ?What makes Jews want to jump from the frying pan into the fire; and then expect the U.S. to subsidize the eternal guarantee of constant warfare and islamo-insane quantum-hatred directed by sociopathic-Islam-transMeccan-Jihadism murderously toward you as a regional environment(forever)? Surely you know that the Saudis have tactical-nuke weapons gleened as hand-me-downs via their Bush-vassels & Obama gives them the latest ‘flight-hi-tech’ ground-hugging weapns delivery systems totally capable of evaporating the entirety of Israel in a moment. And that is guaranteed to happen sometime soon under some eventual local-moment’s destraction. And it most certainly will be used to decimate Israel irredeemably. What’s the point? What a waste of all of that dedication and hybrid dynamic intelligence and culturl continuity!
If religion makes your actions defiant to; &/or blind to all common-natural sense; then you are hardly better than the Islamo-Jihadist-Meccanistic paranoid-schizophrenic grandiose-deludes. . .
Best Suggestion: Try Florida U.S./Cubans are (much!) friendlier & your surviving with prosperity & (much more) relative domestic tranquility is a good-thing methinks. It beats extinction every time. . . Eamon De Valera thought Cubans were OK too!~:-) Eventually Islam will finally inbreed into Neanderthalistic extinction & the OPEC accident of location will be replaced by advanced energy productions sciences on the horizon and they will die in Europe like ticks out of blood; albeit with Europe as a wasteland. Then you can Urban-Renew the depopulated Holy-Land with no resistance. Mean time: plan & save up & in a fundamentally friendly environment that appreciates your cultural vitality. . .
Relative to the Historic Mohammad mandated jihad abject domination & destruction of ALL INFINDELs aka non-muslims: Rodrigo de Bivar/El Cid of Spain had a viable solution for the Muslim Radical Ben Yusef: Go Home or die; Rodrigo’s ‘assimilated Muslim neighbors helped destroy Ben Yusef’s armies: Those Spanish-ized muslims are now long sense hybrid/assimilated into the culture of greater modern Spain. But El Cid was unique in that he had the prior benefit of Robert the ‘HAMMER’ Martel abjectly CRUSHING THE MUSLIM ADVANCE north of the Pyranees. Genghis Khan did the same in Greater Persia and Europe/Western civilization is in his debt. After that Vlad Dracul Sepich(Hero of Rumania) ate borsht and PSYCHED-OUT the Muslim/Turks while abjectly destroying their jihadist armies encroaching upon Europe from the east. We are all in his debt; my countryman Bram Stoker not withstanding. But that Islam is still determined to wash-over and mercilessly ‘replace the Infidel’ will NEVER CEASE as long as Islam continues to be—->well—>what it is aka ISLAM.
Basic Meccan-Jihadist-Islam has ‘not’ changed and 1,400 years of Mohammad-approved chronic 1st-cousin inbreeding has rendered Islam to be deadly-hostile & sociopathically-homicidal to everything near & dear to the Western Spiritual Zeitgeist. The Spartan-300 were hardly wrong & if Europe forgets. . . then Europe dies. . . and soon. . . Beauty is only skin deep; but bone-headed PC-Yuppiest arrogant apathy goes to the bone; and also to the death. . . Sayonara EU; you were a sadly brief, while vainly promising late-great SHINING organization. J. O’Suileabhain P.S. ?Australia anyone?
PPS: ?What makes Jews want to jump from the frying pan into the fire; and then expect the U.S. to subsidize the eternal guarantee of constant warfare and islamo-insane quantum-hatred directed by sociopathic-Islam-transMeccan-Jihadism murderously toward you as a regional environment(forever)? Surely you know that the Saudis have tactical-nuke weapons gleened as hand-me-downs via their Bush-vassels & Obama gives them the latest ‘flight-hi-tech’ ground-hugging weapns delivery systems totally capable of evaporating the entirety of Israel in a moment. And that is guaranteed to happen sometime soon under some eventual local-moment’s destraction. And it most certainly will be used to decimate Israel irredeemably. What’s the point? What a waste of all of that dedication and hybrid dynamic intelligence and culturl continuity!
If religion makes your actions defiant to; &/or blind to all common-natural sense; then you are hardly better than the Islamo-Jihadist-Meccanistic paranoid-schizophrenic grandiose-deludes. . .
Best Suggestion: Try Florida U.S./Cubans are (much!) friendlier & your surviving with prosperity & (much more) relative domestic tranquility is a good-thing methinks. It beats extinction every time. . . Eamon De Valera thought Cubans were OK too!~:-) Eventually Islam will finally inbreed into Neanderthalistic extinction & the OPEC accident of location will be replaced by advanced energy productions sciences on the horizon and they will die in Europe like ticks out of blood; albeit with Europe as a wasteland. Then you can Urban-Renew the depopulated Holy-Land with no resistance. Mean time: plan & save up & in a fundamentally friendly environment that appreciates your cultural vitality. . .
Europe is one 9/11 attack away from a major pogrom, especially if it happens in France. If Madrid-type bombing takes place in France, watch out. They next time those Muslim “youths” riot in France, the French will certainly fight back. The French certainly have no love for Muslims, especially given their long history in North Africa (and Algeria in particular). The Europeans are about about to lash out against the Muslims and if the Muslims don’t think it will happen, they should take a long, hard, look at what happened in Bosnia and Kosovo. Trust me, if it could happen there, it could easily happen in the rest of Europe. Just one small push and it will happen. The Muslims are pushing their luck big time and had better start assimilating, or else the Europeans will do what they do best, and that’s going to be bringing back to pogrom.
“Europe is one 9/11 attack away from a major pogrom, especially if it happens in France”
I call BS – if 3/11 (Spain) and 7/7 (the UK) did nothing to cause a European revolt, then nothing will.
Those who are fed up with Europe are not fighting back. They are leaving. The ones left behind are the stupid, brainwashed, unthinking Marxist sheeple, who put up with the Islamicization of Europe because like the Muslims, they hate Jews above all else, and will tolerate the Muslims and their Sharia Law if they manage to rid the world of Jews once and for all.
Eric- You nailed it!
Nobody talks about the underlying “tolerance” of the left in Europe for Muslim immigration and their NON-assimilation…latent unresolved anti-semitism!
you generalise too much, and you emphasize the numbers for a convinced plebe, but you don’t impress people that rely on objective facts
“Key tactics: Though many Americans view them as softies when it comes to the war on terror, the French actually have some of the worlds toughest and arguably most effective antiterrorism laws. In France, terrorist investigations are overseen by a special unit of magistrates with unprecedented powers to monitor suspects…”
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2008/05/18/the_list_the_worst_places_to_be_a_terrorist
get your inscription there so that you can red the whole article
“Is Europe Awakening to Islamist Threat?”
“Awaking,” not “Awakening.”
Awakening as used in this article is indeed the correct term.
From Wikipedia:
Awakening or The Awakening may refer to:
* Wakefulness, the state of being conscious
* Spiritual awakening, a religious experience involving a realization of a sacred dimension of reality
* Bodhi (awakening), a form of Buddhist spiritual enlightenment
* Great Awakening, several periods of Anglo-American Christian revival
* National awakening, or national revival, several nationalist political movements
Dear Barry, 1960 while occupying a well ranquing position in the palace of Justice in the city of Munich, Germany, I went warning numerous judges for whom I was in close contact, in order to give a break for the continous growing islamic immigration, and if it goes so on, Germany will be swimming in new art of unknown problems to them and these would not be able to solve them. Islamic immigrants Problems are high actual in the entire UE countries, and muslimis are dicting their will and law, and getting more and more concensuses. And Geert Wilders policy proved to be correct and objective. In order to limit the growing damages, Europe needs a total ban on islamic immigrants coming from islamic countries, specificaly those applying the scharîa law.
Sorry to have to correct you, but the VVD (real translation: People’s party for Freedom and Democracy) wants to form a centre-right coalition of VVD-PVV-CDA (CDA = Christian Democratic Calling), but it was the CDA who pulled the plug when talks between Rutte (VVD) and Wilders (PVV) were going so well.
You also seem to be including D66In the “centre-right” box. They are rather a schizophrenic party — socially “liberal” (in the American sense of society-is-to-blame and rather collectivist ideas) and economically they can be rather more free market. However, they sit significantly closer to the PvdA (Labour Party) than they do to the VVD.
The people at the blogmocracy graciously allowed me to post on the video in question yesterday. The video report is only available in Dutch but there is a link from the post, and I provide a play by play in English. It is worth watching the video with my summary just to see how bad the situation has gotten for Jews in Europe. The video itself has a rather clear title: “Yarmulkes, threats, and hidden camera.”
http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2010/06/24/guilty-jewish-in-the-first-degree/
If Europe is waking up it is not a moment too soon. Most european governments remain reluctant to challenge islamic radicalism and sharia courts continue to pop up and are tolerate nearly everywhere. At last count there were 85 of them in the United Kingdom. Once a secular legal system is undermined we will have reached the tipping point. Already many european Jews are migrating or making plans to do so to Israel or North America. Some non-Jews are also contemplating leaving europe. This will be a close thing unless european immigration laws are changed quickly.
It’s a symptom of consciousness when a nation figures out that a blatantly public and private effort on the part of Islamic forces is actually what it appears to be. In the words of Sally Fields (slightly), “Wow. You don’t like us. You really don’t like us. You really do intend to kill us.”
I always wonder if the fatally stupid and morally superior (in their own estimation) individuals and groups who keep on drinking the koolaid and baring their throats for the sword actually do understand that their own death is the aim of the Islamic machine…and thus are assuming that those fighting for national survival will succeed to such a degree that they can keep drinking the koolaid as the battle rages, feeling superior to those they are depending on to save them from themselves. I wonder about that.
I always wonder if the fatally stupid \individuals and groups \actually do understand that their own death is the aim of the Islamic machine ~
No, they don’t. I grew up in a liberal family in a liberal area and attended liberal schools. One of the reason’s liberals think they’re morally superior is their rose-colored glasses and the “we want to give everyone (except conseratives, observant jews, and christians) the benefit of the doubt because we’re compasionate” sanctimoniousness. They think karma means if they’re nice to the ravenous grizzly bear, it will be nice to them and not eat them.
liberal women will be wearing a burqua in fear of the sharia police before they realize how much they’ve enslaved themselves.
I believe most liberal women will willfully wear the burka before admitting the moHAMmadmen ideology/cult is more of a threat to civilization than the ‘conservative party’.
Sometimes a return to sanity can save a Nation sometimes insanity will reign regardless of any attempt to return to sanity. Europe has destroyed itself in the name of poltical correctness . They profess love to Muslims who wish to destroy them and hate to Jews who wish to embrace them. America is following in Europe’s footsteps . We have given up our identity to multiculturism.
America Christian Infidel
Michael Canzano
The PC crowd has managed to keep a lid on the anti-Muslim feeling in this country but the response in the liberal Mecca of Manhattan to the soon-to-be-built mosque celebrating the Islamo-terrorist victory on 9/11 near ground zero drew an angry mob. One more 9/11 sized body count will unleash a wave of rage against an obnoxious philosophy that does not respect the rights or views of anyone else. If these people want to sexually mutilate their daughters or engage in honor killings and basically treat women like livestock why dont they return to countries where that kind of behavior is acceptable? On the way back they should take along those ultra-libs who suck up to any group that preaches violence against the West and the US.
Here’s the truth about Islam:
The Legacy of Jihad: Islamic Holy War and the Fate of Non-Muslims (Andrew Bostom)
and
The Suicide of Reason: Radical Islam’s Threat to the West (Lee Harris)
Islam is a serial murderer of entire cultures and peoples. This is what Islam has done throughout its entire history. Those whom it does not destroy, it enslaves and impoverishes. Islam IS the enemy. Islam must be destroyed.
I’m not as optimistic as Marty or the author. While there seems to be increasing political support in a few countries to slow Muslim influence the european majority (like in the first and second world wars) refuses to face reality, as reality is very uncomfortable. Better to live your own life and hope it all goes away.
Imagine tens of thousands of USA citizens living in each city being taught by their parents, churches and neighbors to hate jews ( and Christians ) and each supporting even a violent overthrow of the current political and economic systems and you have a glimpse of the new evolving cultures of Spain,France,Germany,uk,etc. There used to be a word for this type of thinking and behavior…treason. In Europe this type of thinking and behavior has been and continues to be protected and even funded by the state for decades. Fundamentalist Muslim culture has not changed in 1500 years, it’s highly unlikely that Europe can solve this problem even if it slows Muslim immigration. Too little (by far) too late.
Yes it is already too late. Once Islam gets a foot hold it’s unstoppable. No other culture can match its power and ability to expand. Even if immigration halts (it wont), the number of Muslims already inside is now over the tipping point. The game is basically over already. It’s just a matter of time from now on. Muslims know this. That’s why they are so optimistic. They follow the trend closely and can see that the number of converters, newly born and immigrants is growing exponentially. In four to five generations Europe will be Islamic. US will follow closely. Fortunately I’ll be dead by then, but my great great grand children will be Muslim and happily so.
JL,
I have read a few of your comments recently, and it seems to me that you are somewhat down and defeatist. Perhaps your name sounds Swedish ? Do you sometimes find yourself shouting out “resistance is futile”? Remember that we will not be absorbed into the collective if we resist. Northern Europe is having more gloomy weather than usual this year because of the volcanic ash, but the sun still shines sometimes, so please try to get out more, it may help you to cheer up and see things a little differently.
I was following along with you, JL, until that last clause: “but my great great grand children will be Muslim and happily so.”
Yours might, but mine won’t; I’m already shepherding my grandchildren in orthodox Christianity — we know who God is, and we know who all the pretenders are, too. God willing, our nation will act to preserve our liberties, and my faith will have the opportunity to be transmitted to my great, great grandchildren through those little ones I now nurture.
I highly recommend Lawrence Auster’s A Real Islam Policy for a Real America which you can access at http://amnation.com/vfr/
I pray that your great, great grandchildren will live in freedom and not under totalitarian sharia.
MY great great grandchildren will laugh at the subjugation of your great great grandchildren PRETENDING (out of fear) that they are happy with moHAMmadmanism.
I would not be as optimistic as Barry Rubin or as pessimistic as Ken Besig. I think the true reality is somewhere in between fatal resignation and a big fight-back. That said, Barry is absolutely right that there is a growing trend to resist Islamicization, and that Wilders is the leader of this movement in Europe. That’s a profound fact – Wilders is now a leader of international dimensions. Partly this is why the PC Dutch wish to cut him down to size. Why, he has eclipsed his provincial status, and is a budding superstar.
I wrote ‘Islamicization’ above. Of course, Barry must play the word game, but when he describes Wilders as tipping towards opposing Islam and not only ‘Islamism,’ he inadvertently shows how far we all have to go on this topic. Most are still pinning hopes on ‘moderate Muslims’ to resist the tide.
I think this was part of the subconscious motivation and even mania in the effort to create a democratic Iraq. This was to be the test for whether, in the Muslim Mideast, Islam, a political movement in the main, could be peacefully undermined by instituting a contagious democracy to spread across the Ummah and to undermine it from within. Folks like Fouad Ajami are very hopeful about Iraq. Yet mass killings occur in Iraq frequently and the only real test for the Bush Experiment will come when and if US and coalition forces withdraw. It is hard to believe that Iraqi democracy will survive such a test.
Europe has waited so long to oppose Islam that a successful push-back will bring all sorts of repercussions and upset, and indeed threaten the stability of the EU. The EU, being a living-if-corrupted being, will defend itself. It is invested in the protection of Islam in Europe; even if many of its officials and bureaucrats might privately recoil at the ‘Babylon’ they have created, in the service of a New World Order that folds in Islam, then they will nonetheless furiously defend their livelihoods. This requires devotion to gradual national suicides. In fact, the EU and Islam indeed share the goal of destroying European nationalism. If we add in the one-world tendencies of many of the American elites, we can clearly see that much of the power in the West is in the hands of people who must by definition be hostile to American, Israeli, etc., sovereignty – to the concept of sovereignty itself.
Still, I hope Barry is right.
My research and study leads me to the exact same conclusion, Larry. You’ve concisely encapsulated the very troubling ethos of the times and the goal of the transnational progressive planners. November 2010 is critical to our ability to put up roadblocks to that globalist scheme: eternal vigilance is the price of freedom, and the struggle never ends — unless you capitulate, a thought we can never entertain. Live free or die.
Considering the difficulties the US is having with its
much milder Mexican-American minority’s tendency to put
the accent more on ‘Mexican’ than ‘American’, it is hard
to see what Europe can do to solve its Muslim problem,
short of pogrom, or perhaps apartheid.
The developing Turkish-Iranian axis does not help.
Europe it seems is in deep crap. As others have pointed out Europe has gotten itself in trouble quite a few times in the past 100 years or so and seem incapable of recognizing a problem until it overwhelms them.
How many years did they have to see Hitler for what he was?
WWI wasn’t started the day someone killed Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria – it was just the trigger event that lead to the actual outbreak of real war between countries that didn’t like each other back then.
The apparently imminent collapse of the European Union can be seen as one more step toward possible hostilities between nations that when you look past the facade of niceties don’t like each other as much as they let on.
Add to this their apparent love of immigrants from the M.E. – and especially of muslim nations and the unrest it fosters – the ‘free lunch’ that is drying up that many of it’s citizens have enjoyed (partly at our expense through military protection) these past 60 years – a downturn of their economy – and things just may get interesting.
Maybe not WWIII but you never know how things will pan out. I see it like a forest fire – let it burn itself out and it won’t happen again for at least a generation or two. Maybe.
What I forgot to mention is the irony of Wilders having to defend his soft (to me) but direct speech warning of the intentions of muslims – and the rhetoric being spoken in the streets by radical clerics – and the actions of their young Protégé hounding Jews in the streets.
Unless there is an awakening – and soon – Europe will become Eurostan and the fools in charge will have nobody to blame but themselves. The only country I can see doing something about this is Germany. The trouble with that is nationalism and Germany seem to be a dangerous combination. Lets hope they apply the right measures in the correct quantities – otherwise Eurostan could be speaking German within a generation
It is not so much as a 9/11 in Europe that could cause a pushback (it is improbable as the security services are good to catch the would-be-jihadis before they act).
What would cause a really furious reaction is some mass murder by an angry mob of Muslims (like when they come out of the Friday Sermon) or their hitting a major political leader.
There will not be the need to move the “poor” Muslims away from Europe. They will leave of their own accord; if they are fast enough.
The only thing we need is the US don’t come here to “help” the “poor” Muslims against the “evil” European “Fascists”.
Is Europe Awakening to Islamist Threat?
And who cares? It’s high time the Europeans deal with their own problems. Their reliance on the U.S. to protect them no matter what they say and do has left them in a dangerous position. So What?
If Barry is right about Europe’s awakening to the Islamist threat, so what? Europe’s antipathy toward Jews is in full swing all over again. In fact, it’s the one and only true, deep and abiding thing Europeans have in common with Islamists. So even if Europe does manage, eventually, who the hell knows when, to handle the Islamic threat, how will Jews in Europe have fared in the meantime, and what will be their situation afterwards, when all is over and done with? Many Jews, as Barry mentions, are leaving for Israel as fast as they can right now. I fear for those who can’t or won’t leave Europe.
But the same questions may be asked about Israel. Europe hates Israel now as it never did before, and is working side by side with Islamists to destroy her. And in America, by the way, Obama is acting more like Iran’s Ahmadinejad and Turkey’s Erdogan these days. Well, isn’t he? You know he is. What Europe doesn’t know, and Obama doesn’t know, is this: if Israel falls, Europe will fall, and sadly, the way things are going here these days, America I’m afraid could be next.
Europe? With 30 million illegal aliens in the USA we are worried
about Europe? And on top of the 30 million illegls are 23 million
LEGAL immigrants of whom 11 million are now on welfare. The baby
that will officially make whites a minority in the USA will be
born in 2011. California is bankrupt due to immigration. California
is now the least educated state down from being the best educated
in 1970. Where whole cities have surrendered to Jamaicans, Cubans,
Muslims, Mexicans. ..And WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT EUROPE??? Every
day comes a new plot against Americans from the New America..Lebanese
plotting to blow up the Holland Tunnel, Muslims shooting up the Empire
State Building. Jamaican drug lords, whole stretches of Arizona off
limits to US citizens..surrendered to Mexican cartels…AND WE ARE WORRIED
ABOUT EUROPE??
Insane..all of it.
Liberty knows neither race nor ethnicity. I care not about where immigrants come from, nor about how many children they have. I do care about why they’re here. If they are here to work hard and seek a better life, I welcome them with open arms, for I too am a son of immigrants. It is only the hostile I object to.
Liberty is many things to many people. Try saying {“Peoples Democratic Republic
of North Korea”..to see how words depend on the culture for meaning. But more
to the point..its really is all about POWER. Who is in charge of whom.
When you are the minority..and its Latino values and intellectual understanding
deciding your fate..you will understand this more clearly. But for a preview
you can visit Mexico…and pretend what it would be like to have Mexicans
controlling your life…forever.
Actually Western Civilizations specific ideas about liberty and equality etc
go where European, White, Judeo Christians go, and only go there.. Of course you can prove me “racist” by showing an example where this isnt true. Good luck
@ 20. ehunter: Dogs and cats doing it in the streets !
Tell us how you really feel.
The Europeans can serve as a wake-up call to the US;
If we can avoid following them into the ditch, we can
help pull them out, for our good more than theirs.
Geert Wilders is “controversial” but the establishment European politicians of the left who are suiciding their own countries by doing nothing about the muslim invasion are hunky dorey.
Rubin tags Geert Wilders “controversial.” That’s all I have to know about Rubin.
The Dutch call it compromise and they thrive on it, huh? Well I’m betting the lefties call it conceding and so there ya go. Another “compromise”, another concession and boom another small bite taken out of a country’s freedom and handed on a silver platter to Islamic Fundamentalists. And oh, the Islamists don’t get what they want? How does more rioting, more looting, more burning cars, more civil unrest and more angry Muslims sound. So the rights of the majority of the citizens don’t really matter as long as we don’t upset the rather shallow and extremely thin skinned Muslims. If the Muslims don’t like our laws, our customs, our religion(s) and our way of doing business they don’t have to move here. But compromise is not the answer. A good solid and swift kick in the ass might be more beneficial.
“Is Europe Awakening to Islamist Threat?”
No.
Next question?
“the parties of the left tend to be …less alert to the threat of revolutionary Islamism”.
With respect, I think you have got that bit exactly wrong.
It might, perhaps, have contained some truth in Europe some 30 to 40 years ago, but since then the Left has clearly hitched it’s wagon to Islam’s strong horse, in the hope of a ride to final victory.
The threat is a feature, not a bug, as the Left sees that Islam can do the violence and intimidation, while the Left continues to do the undermining. The Left has continued to nurture high immigration/low integration, enable the introduction of Sharia law, and make weak responses to terrorism not despite the glaring warning signs, but because of them.
Why the Left does this is, broadly, about the pursuit of control over the lives of others, and the destruction of the hated old social order. However, individual self-hatred is likely to also be a motive, since Leftists must know that while many of them might be allowed to live on as dhimmies, very few of them would be allowed to do so in any comfort.
We may have to leave this question to the philosophers, but the Left’s activities may perhaps be best understood as nihilistic, a selfish desire to see the world burn, with Islam as the flame-thrower.
It may be bad in Europe but is the USA any better?
Here’s footage of what happens if you talk about Christianity in Dearborne
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smw9QuH1xkA&feature=player_embedded
We are awakening. The mood is palpable. Our police do not automatically and reactively side with Muslims as shown in this film.
The US has a marxist Muslim, bowing and scraping towards Mecca POTUS who is leading it into shariah compliant oblivion.
Meanwhile the right is in the ascendency back here.
As you would say, go figure.
Whatever political action is taken in the Netherlands or elsewhere is irrelevant. ALL nations in Europe are already effectively future Muslim dominated nations, where non-Muslims will form a tiny minority. Take the workout below (figures taken from CIA Worldfactbook online):
Netherlands is 5.8% Muslim. TFR is around 1.66. Muslim rate is estimated at about 4. Median age is 41 years. Ages 0-14 is 17.2% of population. Ages 15-64 is 67% of population, ages 65+ is 15.2% of the population. It is assumed roughly half the young people (0-14) are Muslim in the Netherlands. Mohammed is the most popular boy’s name in births for the last ten years running. Not exactly a native Netherlands name. But let us assume some things. First, no more immigration from Muslim nations into the Netherlands. Second, rates for TFR stay the same (they seem stable over time). What are the implications?
The fertile time-period for the Muslim and Non-Muslim folks ages 0-14 will be roughly, ages 16-40, for each half that are women. So therefore, when the kids just born, who are non-Muslim Dutch, reach age forty, in forty years time, they will have had on average 1.7 kids or so. That is, the total girls of 1,406,973, about half or 703K, will have had non-Muslim kids (assuming no marriage to Muslim men) to the tune of 1,195,927 non Muslim kids by 2050. The MUSLIM half of women, the same 703K, will have had, 5,627,892 Muslim children. Making the population ages 0-40, about 17% Non-Muslim and 83% Muslim.
Yes, under the current assumptions, with stable TFR rates for both populations, the Netherlands will be vastly majority Muslim, in forty years. It won’t be Dutch.
There are only two ways to prevent this from happening. The one is to force/restrict/change the Muslim population from having kids in the way they are now, down to the TFR of 1.6 of the Dutch population, or to kick almost all the Muslims out of the Netherlands.
I would rate either simply impossible politically, so that the future of the nations of Europe are exclusively Muslim. Muslims in the West, since 1950, when they first appeared, have not moved towards native Western norms of low fertility (this is of course different in places like Algeria or Tunisian or Iran which have Western fertitlity rates of around 1.7 or so according to the CIA World Factbook). The possibility of forcing a change in Muslim fertility, or increasing the native one to match the Muslim one of roughly 4, is simply not there. It would require a massive police state that even if the Dutch wanted to construct it, would not have enough people in a nation of only 16 million.
Do the Dutch have the political will to stay in fact, Dutch in population? Nope. Otherwise they would have already kicked out folks to who they have no kin-ties, no common religion, no common language, no common heritage, no common history, no connection at all. Algerians and Dutch have never really interacted before, but the political leaders of the Netherlands decided to import them and Moroccans, for any number of reasons, and keep them there. The economic crisis and austerity measures would be a perfect time to argue that welfare spending and social spending should go to “real” i.e. native Dutch only, not Algerian or Moroccan imports to whom the Netherlands does not owe anything, but that argument has not been made and remains taboo.
Again, in a nation of only 15 million, most of whom are past 40, the younger ones being half Muslim, there is no political will to push out Muslims but even if there WERE, there would be no young, non-Muslims in sufficient number to have it done.
Europe is old. It IS the film, Children of Men. Except the infertility is only among natives, not non-Natives. The bottom line is that Muslim immigrant women want to have lots of kids by their men, and Dutch women don’t want to have very many kids at all by theirs. What this judgment in action means by women of both groups I leave for others.
Britain, France, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Germany, Italy, Greece, Spain, Portugal, and Ireland are all the same. They have small Muslim populations, but very high (4-5 TFR) combined with pathetic (Italy and Greece have 1.1 TFRs, a rate from which no nation has ever recovered) birth rates among natives. Basically all will become Muslim majority to the 60-80% range within forty years.
There are only three ways (again) to avoid this. 1. Natives have 4-5 kids, IMMEDIATELY, keeping proportions the same. 2. Muslim populations are forced or changed in some way to match native pathetic TFRs, around 1.6 to 1.1 depending on the nation. 3. Muslims are expelled, particularly young ones who are fertile.
Again not only is this politically unacceptable, most Europeans would rather be colonized than “fight” and don’t believe they should exist as they always have been, preferring Muslim domination to their own heritage and history, even if a combination of Napoleon, Cromwell, Stalin, Mussolini, Tilly, and Gustavus Adolphus were to arise, there would not be enough young non-Muslim, native men to forcibly eject Muslims from Europe. There just are not enough young people who are natives in Europe.
Therefore, the only rational thing is to plan for the inevitable. Europe will be basically a copy of Algeria and Tunisian and Morocco. These are not evil, horrible places, but they are not places for economic growth, technological innovation, or much of anything else but poverty. Bottom line: people from North Africa will inherit Europe, all of it, because Europeans don’t have kids and they do. Simple as that.
Europe perfected the good life. But the good life does not reproduce. So it dies. The same of course can be said about the US, wrt Mexican immigration. It is folly of the highest order to import folks with very different ethnic, racial, religious, and cultural backgrounds, that are essentially hostile to the native majority, with a far higher TFR, and not expect population replacement.
Some might argue that population replacement of Europe by North Africa is a good thing, or that the population replacement of Whites in America (and California) by Mexicans is also a good thing. It might be argued a bad thing. But it certainly is going to happen. My own view is that morally good or bad, it will certainly be very miserable for those who remain and lack great wealth and freedom to flee wherever the notion takes them.
Immigrant TFRs in Europe are determined by two factors:
- welfare policy. If it rewards having 4-5 children, wrong. Nevertheless, such policies are unsustainable in the current financial crisis, and many Euro states have slashed them back significantly in last 5 years – and will go on slashing them even more. BTW, the same happened in Israel in 2000, and it resulted in serious and still continuing drop of Arab fertility.
- ability to import uneducated, mostly illiterate brides from the original cesspools like Rif Mountains or NWFP in Pakistan. Here, again, the trend is mostly reversing, with some nations (Denmark) basically cutting off this source of problems by placing very high requirements on the would-be immigrants.
Combination of these two can, and does, lead to huge drops in immigrant birthrates. Danish Arabs have birthrates between 1.6-1.8 per woman, the same order as native Danish (1.4-1.6).
Finally, if we’re talking about Islam, Islam can be abandoned by Muslims in Europe, and it has been abandoned by some. Check out this crazy French-Arab girl who did the strip dance on Ayer’s Rock recently: definitely no hijabi, right?
In this regard, some nations are clearly more successful than others. It probably has a lot to do with the culture.
It may be that the jihadis will be content to gain control of western Europe through a combination of fecundity and economic parasitism, but I have some doubts.
Historically, Islam spread by relatively small numbers of jihadists terrorizing larger numbers of kuffars into submission, and then taking the best of the kuffars’ stuff and genetic material.
However, loot and slaves are not only the fruits of Jihad, but the proofs of Jihad. Each jihadi wants to be able to show off his own personal pyramid of human misery, with his multiple wives, concubines, eunuchs, drawers of water etc, and to do that they will need to seize power while there is still a kuffar population large enough to provide sufficient material and human spoils for their honour. If they wait for Whiskey’s scenario to play out, there will simply not be enough to go around.
Therefore, I think a bang in the near future is more likely than a whimper later.
Let’s face it Europe is finished and they no one but themselves to blame. Over 2000 years of endless warfare much of it between various Christian factions all held together by the cement of anti-semitism. Let them stew in thier own juices. The West will not be there to bail them out again.
No
Though an anti-Islamic “awakening” in Europe can only be a good thing, it coincides with another uprising in anti-semitism, which implies something more ominous for the future of the continent.
As someone who started looking at Islam in 1997 and who knew enough by 1999 to see it as a major issue I have noted a change in the general population that I thought would never happen and which at times made me very down about the future, now when I talk about the issues of Islam people listen to me, they no longer instantly define me as an extremist, I often get people telling me it makes sense, for example the Imam condemning the death of innocents, I make people aware that when he says this he is only talking about any devout Muslims who may have been killed in the terrorist attack. That is very good news indeed, but we also have grass root movements like the EDL in the UK which are now standing up in the streets and the politicians can no longer ignore the issues.
In terms of beating Islam its is simple, you remove the extremists, you close Mosques, you ban and close down Islamic schools and you expose Islam to full and total debate and ridicule. You must never treat is as a serious religion, but something that crazy people follow. And if any of them start reacting with violence we crush them while we still have enough young men to do so.
With Wilders showing the way and the above changes there is hope.
As for people who think that this will result in an anti-Jewish reaction at the same time, Islam is the religion of Xenophobia, it isthe best way of explaining it, all of us non-Muslims are threatened by it, either we unite or we fall, and Jews are the biggest enemy of Islam because they saw through their so called prophet from the start. That is why and real anti_islamist will value the Jewish people above all others and I am one of them.
“America as the Last Man Standing”
Called a fascist by Glenn Beck, banned from Britain, proponent of a Palestinian homeland in Jordan, Geert Wilders is a man with a mission: to save Western civilization from Islamification.
Wilders is also a former Catholic, current atheist who is inspired by Judeo-Christian values, a right wing firebrand member of the House of Representatives of the Netherlands and founder of the PVV, the Dutch Party of Freedom.
He’s, obviously, a very complex man but with a very simple message: At their current rate of reproduction and immigration into Europe, Muslims will constitute 25% of Europeans by 2020 and be a majority by the end of this century.
That, he believes, will be catastrophic to hundreds of years of Western civilization. The last, best, only hope is the United States of America, “the last man standing. . .”
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=1762)
European nations are on the verge of arrogant collapse. Let them go…
I would like to know all the factors for how they calculated their annual cost – because it is incredible what some of these leftist American Democrats are trying to infer from their figuring. They do not look at the whole picture and they come out trying to say it doesn’t cost that much at all if it’s not a wash!! I imagine the remittances alone take up a big block – but then the Democrats try to say that we get back all of the money sent out of America anyway because of what they spend it on!! Crazy. Insane. Appalling. Incredibly Stupid.
From what I understand Geert is having a tough time with the Dutch government right now. If Europe is awakening then he wouldn’t be having such a difficult time.