Iran’s Defense Minister Vahidi Threatens the West. Remember Who He Is?
In a speech to the highest military commanders in the province of Alborz, Iran’s Defense Minister Ahmad Vahidi called America, England, and Israel “the sinister triangle of terrorism and warmongering of the world.” He criticized the recent anti-Iranian comments by the U.S. and UK secretaries of defense (during their recent trips to the region), stating that their continuous trips to the region and their inflammatory statements had but one purpose: to promote their “deceitful plans to plunder the region of its wealth.”
He further stated: “Faith in God and our nation’s resistance have been the main pillars of our success to defeat their conspiracies. … If America and England do not change their behavior and do not make fundamental changes to their policies, they would suffer a fate worse than Hitler and Saddam.”
Ahmad Vahidi became the Revolutionary Guards’ chief intelligence commander early on in the Revolution. He received orders from Ayatollah Khomeini, the founder of the Islamic Republic, to take the fight to the Americans and Israelis. It was then that he started the organization of the Guards’ units to expand the Islamic Revolution ideology in the region. This effort resulted in the establishment of Hezbollah in Lebanon and ties to many other terrorist groups, including the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC) and Islamic Jihad. The Guards also expanded their program to train and arm terrorists with major operations of recruitment and training out of mosques in Lebanon. They furthered their support and collaboration with terrorists, such as Imad Mughniyeh, who was involved in every terrorist attack ordered by Iran (Imad Mughniyeh was killed on February 12, 2008, by a car bomb).
Ahmad Vahidi was at the helm when the order went out for the simultaneous truck bombings against the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut and the French paratroopers, which killed 241 Marines and 58 French soldiers. Four years after this suicide bombing, Iran’s then-minister of the Revolutionary Guards, Mohsen Rafiqdoost, boasted that both the explosives and the ideology, which in “one blast sent to hell 400 officers, NCOs, and soldiers at the Marines headquarters,” were provided by Iran. Emboldened by the lack of response from the U.S., the Guards’ intelligence units then carried out kidnappings targeting Americans, Israelis, and others with the help of their proxies. Many were tortured and killed, including CIA Agent William Buckley (kidnapped by Hezbollah while serving as the Beirut station chief/political officer at the U.S. Embassy), U.S. Navy diver Robert Stethem (murdered on the hijacked TWA Flight 847), and William Richard Higgins (a U.S. Marine Corps colonel captured while serving on a UN peacekeeping mission in Lebanon).
Ahmad Vahidi later became the first chief commander of the Quds Force directly in charge of worldwide terrorism against America, Israel, and the West. He established ties with al-Qaeda and expanded his network of terrorism, which was then fully established through the auspices of Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. This collaboration resulted in several major terrorist attacks, including:
The 1988 Pan Am bombing over Lockerbie (I reported Iran’s involvement to the CIA while working as an agent in Europe)
The 1992 bombing of the Israeli Embassy in Buenos Aires, which killed 29 and injured 242
The Jewish community center bombing in Buenos Aires in 1994, which killed 85 and injured hundreds
The Khobar Towers bombing in 1996, which killed 19 U.S. servicemen and one Saudi and injured 372 others
Is ‘nuke Iran’ too much to ask?
No…but I believe Obama is planning a state party for him, AND he’ll get to leave through the front door.
And to think we have nuclear warheads dying of old age.
Well, if your goal is to kill a few hundred actual enemies along with millions of innocents, then I guess the answer is no.
If your goal is to NOT commit wholesale slaughter of the innocent, then perhaps not pushing the big red button would be better.
This man has no power over Iran’s national army. He is, for all practical purposes a bandit. Gloryfying him like this serves no one but those who love to discredit the name of Iran.
Ali Mostofi,
How so? Please explain yourself.
Well it looks like plenty of people have answered that question for you. But let me take this opportunity to explain why he is still in power. In one sentence, he gives the US and Israelis, a very good reason to have a military industrial complex, with his diatribe.
Remember that the Shah of Iran and all his generals were removed in a snap. Why, because he told the US that he had bought enough weapons to defend Iran against USSR, and that the US was not needed any more in the area. Then all of a sudden Carter dropped by, and made that “Island of Stability” speech, and before you knew it Khomeini was introduced to Iran “par avion”, under the guise of democracy. Now the democrats are doing it in North Africa. Deja vu?
So Iran went from a “White Revolution” to an “Islamic Revolution” to keep the arms, oil and above all the narcotics bazaar healthy. Tres bien!
Ali – I don’t think the article is glorifying the man – far from it.
And surely as Defence Minister he has some power over the army and organs of Iran’s defence apparatus?
Do you disagree with the main argument – that a person with this background and world view can not be engaged with in a debate and negotiation?
If you think there can be a negotiated outcome to the mutual agreement of both parties, please explain how this will be achieved.
Actually no Hysteria, he has his own set of bandits called the IRGC. We have in Iran a case an oligopoly of organized crime, under the pretext of a “holy war”. They do not have a leader as such. Diffusion and illusiveness form their defences, whilst they are inspired by total delusion.
No nationalist, or anyone who puts Iranian culture first supports these madmen. Only western media blows them out of proportion.
The correct strategy should be to help the good Iranians, not the aliens within. But then you would get nice people who want to cut deals and then where would US go to pick a fight?
An excellent article. Why we ignore thugs like Vahidi are beyond me. Trying to negotiate w/ this fascist gov’t is like of like the story of the scorpion begging the frog to let him cross a river on his back. When he does, the scorpion stings & kills the frog whom asks, “Why did you do that? Now we both will die!” The scorpion replies, “that is my nature.”
So with the current thugs running Iran. They will end up bringing up both down if we don’t do something about it.
Why is he still breathing valuable air?
Where is a predator when you need one?
So many questions…
“Most notably, Mr. Vahidi is on Interpol’s most-wanted list for his involvement in the Jewish community center bombing in Argentina.”
OOooooo, I’m sure that makes him shake in his sandals every night, knowing he’s on Interpol’s most-wanted list. You want to send a message to the Iranians about how serious we are at stopping them? Have this terrorist meet a bad death by seeing the business end of a Hellfire missile. No protests, no UN security council meetings, no negotiations. Nothing. Just have this guy go up in a small fireball one day. And if the CIA operation is good, I mean really good, they can even make it look like an assasination from some rebel group from within Iran, like the Kurds. Obama would never have the stones to do something like this, even though that’s exactly what the Iranian-backed Hezbollah did to Hariri in Lebanon. If you want to play with these people, show them no mercy, because they certainly won’t show you any.
Vahidi is a man who needs to be careful where he flies to since he may one day find himself arrested and brought somewhere he doesn’t want to go.
I’m surprised the U.S. doesn’t make more of Vahidi’s criminal status to raise the profile of the Iranian gov’t as literally having wanted terrorist’s in its midst.
Why…? Why is this POS still breathing on this planet? The Liberal PC handling of these Islamic Terrorists, whether government officials or in the field getting their “hands dirty” has exactly the same result. To negotiate with the likes of them is Treasonous, there can be no discussions with the likes of this Terrorist, with the Blood of Many Innocent Victims on his hands, and those who were on Peaceful Missions of Reconstruction. Typical jihadi opportunist, who strikes at women & children, and sleeping UN Banner Troops on Peaceful Missions. That is the reality of who these people are, and I use that word with disdain. They have no moral ground to stand on, they sit in palaces in Iran and make threats & plan attacks, yet we can’t do anything about it? Why? What sword of Domiciles do they hold over our heads, as if they are not going to attack us anyway??? They already are killing us on a daily basis, a little bit at a time. Not forgetting the IEDs that they are supplying Terrorists across the world, including Afghanistan & Iraq. Its time to put on the Steel Gauntlet and get down to brass tacks with these animals in Iran, and show them we are not going to be victims any longer!
Iranians risked their lives by taking to streets and Obama was silent.
Iranian missiles and Revolutionary Guard troops are headed to Venezuela and Obama is silent.
Iranian battleships and subs are headed to The Gulf and Obama is silent.
Lebanon is being taken over by Iran via its proxy Hizbullah and Obama is silent.
The North Koreans attacked South Korea and Obama was silent.
The Muslim Brotherhood is attempting to take over Egypt and Obama is silent.
The only thing that seems to concern Obama is his golf game.
Power abhors a vacuum.
Since the Commander-in -Chief of the United States is AWOL the Axis of Evil is on the march.
And they are winning.
How in this world is any of that our business? Do we then own the world? Just say that.
Obamas only ” business ” seems to be improving his golf game.
Or have you forgotten how Obama sat on his hands for weeks while crude was pumping into the Gulf?
What was his response? Vacationing in Hawaii.
Wake up James. Stop judging a book by its cover.
Good point, thinking like that kept out of World War 2 and prevented a terrorist attack on the the World Trade Center.
FYI, True Believers, like the terrorists who run Iran, will always find a reason to hate and kill. At the moment we are the preferred targets because we are weak and stupid, hence safe for killing.
Put it this way, what did the Jews do to provoke Hitler to mass murder? Answer, they were available and vulnerable. If we run away it proves our weakness and the bad guys will come after us. We cannot disengage. We are dealing with rapid dogs, the only thing one can do is kill them.
Our destruction, and all America stands for, is their primary objective. WE, and that includes the cowards on the left, are the ultimate goal. What you seem to advocate is sticking our heads in the sand and hoping(because praying is politically incorrect) that the tyrant of Venezuela doesn’t launch nuclear tipped missiles at American cities. And since the Bamster has weakened missile defenses for us and Europe, it’ll be bad, real bad if that comes to pass. Missiles and warheads he will have received from our peace loving muslim brethren in Iran. The courage to defend oneself seems to be sorely lacking on the left. Cowardice or treason are not too strong of terms to use for these bottom feeders.
James..
Do we own the world?
Here’s a clue…I dont own anything beyond the boarders of my own piece of residential property, BUT…
I’m damn sure concerned about gang-bangers prowling the neighborhood, bragging to other nasty folks two or three houses down the block, about how theyre gonna kill me, rape my kids and burn my freaking house down.
If I have to, I WILL act pre-emptively, because their aint no functioning cops or courts in this strech of the hood to take care of it.
Only “government” I have to rely on, is a tax man, and the Department of Motor Vehicles.
(Read: the UN and NATO)
No, we dont own the world…but we SHOULD, because the freaks that we share it with are dangerous to everyones house and family.
No fool, we dont own the world. the problem is the ISLAMIC SUPREMACISTS and COMMUNISTS seem to think THEY do. Thats the problem with people like you. You refuse to see that there are EVIL people in the world. It may take something horrible happening to you or others close to you for you to get your brain functioning on this or what?
James,
Make no mistake that we are already at war. Simply stated, Islam is trying to create a worldwide caliphate, and it is only a matter of time before the suicide bombings begin within our borders. Islamists have been infiltrating our great country for decades. There is no telling how many are already here. We can’t run and hide, or stick our heads in the sand. They are coming for us no question about it. The more we can thwart outside of our borders the longer we can delay the inevitable.
But, make no mistake, the inevitable is coming. The Islamists will not stop, nor will they be bargained with.
You are right about one thing. We don’t own the world, nor do we want to. But niavete on your part serves no purpose. You need to try to get better educated about what is going on in the world, and take off your rose-colored glasses. Things will only get better once Islam is defeated.
Absolutely correct Menachem.
As for YOU James, please pull your head out of your rear end so you can see something other than the inside of your colon. While we do not own the world, we ARE a big factor IN the world. That means we have to participate in the affairs of the world to a degree that keeps our people and our national interests safe. Letting the scum of the world grow over the side of the pond will assure that we will eventually be under their thumb.
Reza…Audace Fortuna Iuvat.
LOL!
I find your name rather ironic, Constitutionalist, in light of what you are advocating. Let’s look at just one of Menachem’s points that you, apparently, support taking action on:
“Iranian battleships and subs are headed to The Gulf and Obama is silent.”
- Well what exactly is he supposed to do? Order a blockade? Order them to turn around or… or what? Fire on them? The Gulf, from what I understand, is part of ‘international waters’, it isn’t Lake Michigan. Obama has no more right to demand Iran not be there than Iran’s president has to demand America not be there. Other nation’s warships have as much right, legally, to be there as ours do. Where exactly in the Constitution, “Constitutionalist”, does it say out government has the right to order about the navy of another sovereign nation that we are NOT at war with?
Screw what’s legal. Do you honestly think half the stuff the CIA does is legal? Come on, man….We are in a fight for survival, not some board game with a lot of rules. Do you think the enemy will follow the rules? How many taliban do you see in uniforms? Was it legal for the Islamists to blow up the baracks in SA?
Was 9-11 legal?….Was beheading Daniel Pearl legal?
Are you SERIOUS?
“Screw what’s legal.”
- Well, I at least it’s now obvious that you all care as little about the Constitution and the separation of powers as the ‘Progressives’ do.
“Do you honestly think half the stuff the CIA does is legal?”
- Last I checked, the United States Navy, which is what the gentleman above basically proposed using to fire on the navy of another nation to initiate a shooting war that was undeclared by Congress, is NOT controlled by the CIA. Or did I miss the memo?
“We are in a fight for survival, not some board game with a lot of rules.”
- Rules like… Congress has the power to declare war? That we don’t target innocents? One thing you don’t seem to understand is this: You really don’t mean ‘screw what’s legal’, ie get rid of the rules. What you really mean is: ‘the rules should be suspended for the moment as they are a burden for us, but only be suspended for us, we should still be able to hold the bad guys accountable to them’. The trouble is, if you throw out the rules, what results will also be used against you, and the rules will NEVER be put back.
“How many taliban do you see in uniforms? Was it legal for the Islamists to blow up the baracks in SA? Was 9-11 legal? Was beheading Daniel Pearl legal?”
- No, but since we don’t live in the universe of the comic book “The Punisher”, the fact that someone has done something against the law to use does NOT give us leave to disregard the law in retribution. You accept this anyway. We prosecute cops who plan evidence on perps, who engage in unlawful acts of brutality, even if such acts are against someone who ‘deserves’ it.
Why? Because, unlike out enemies, we want to have a nation of order, not anarchy.
“Are you SERIOUS?”
Very much so.
“Are we so naive as to think that we can negotiate or bring about a change in the behavior of such terrorists? ”
Welcome back from where you have been.
We surely have reason to worry about Vahidi, but then how much did we worry about Yasser Arafat, he was one of the leaders in the Marine barracks bombing in Beirut. Arafat was a frequent visitor to the White House and given red carpet treatment, he was also the recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize for what that is good for. It seems that our enemies fare better then our friends in this political world we live in today.
This sad excuse for subhuman excrement needs to be eliminated as soon as possible and to hell with the collateral damage. If the Islamic Republic of Iran disappears into a mushroom cloud and becomes dust covered scorched earth, so be it. We have the technology to drill through hastily created obsidian. As a proud agent of 72 Virgins Travel Services I would be delighted and proud to punch his one way ticket. This goat sodomist needs to be made an example of in such a way that the ‘muslim street’ does not soon forget. The cowardice of our political ‘leadership’ is inexcusable in allowing this scummy filth to continue wasting precious oxygen. But, enough of trying to be ‘civil’.
“This sad excuse for subhuman excrement needs to be eliminated as soon as possible and to hell with the collateral damage.”
- While I would hardly shed a tear if Mr. Vahidi suddenly had a fatal ‘car accident’ or the like, I find your ‘to hell with collateral damage’ to be a bit… irrational.
Some people saying ‘to hell with collateral damage’ is why a lot of Afghanis who otherwise wouldn’t care either way, join or at least start supporting that Taliban.
Are you HIGH?
We have been procecuting a war for a decade, and have THE LOWEST collateral damage occurences in the history of human kind, anywhere.
Napolean to Moscow, Sherman Atlanta to the sea, the Somme, Verdun, or how about Rotterdam, London, Dresden, Berlin, Hamburg, Tokyo…
Thems be collateral damage, pal.
Not this occasional mud hut by mistake horseshit people get their panties in a bunch over. Get real.
Open a history book before you spout the typical college punk narrative about “driving them to the enemy”
Give them two choices:
1) Give up, live in peace and prosperity with the Christian west, and enjoy a tremendous improvement in quality of life (like Japan after ww2)
2) Be destroyed
ANything else is is a waste of time.
“Are you HIGH?”
- After reading my comment again, I think you are misunderstanding what I was trying to say. That’s my fault though, as I should have been more specific.
“We have been procecuting a war for a decade, and have THE LOWEST collateral damage occurences in the history of human kind, anywhere.”
- I’m not so sure I would go that far, but you are right in that we, as a nation these days, go to GREAT lengths to try to ensure that innocents are not killed or injured when we strike.
“Not this occasional mud hut by mistake horseshit people get their panties in a bunch over.”
- A wedding getting blasted by a Hellfire with many innocents, including women and children, dead and wounded, as has happened several times, and our military has ADMITTED that it has happened, hardly qualifies as ‘horseshit’. Did we intend to hit a wedding? No, but those people are still dead anyway. I’m guessing that if your wedding had suddenly been hit out of the blue by a Hellfire missile and two of your sisters, your dad and some friends been blasted to meat chunks and your new wife lost an eye and one of her legs, you might not be willing to excuse the attacker, even though it was an accident. In fact, you might just be mad enough to go help the enemy.
And that was what I was trying to say: Dracon simply stated ‘to hell with collateral damage.’ That is NOT how we have been fighting this war and we shouldn’t START fighting it that way. Doing so would drive many people who otherwise wouldn’t bother right into the arms of the enemy. That is my point.
Mike, I wonder if you’ll be as righteous if your kids were slaughtered like those children in Beslan, which I believe is your point re Dracon. I guess you would have been, or were, against the h-bombs dropped on Japan? You would rather sacrifice a couple hundred thousand more Americans just to avaoid killing innocents, who were obviously not entirely innocent since they were supporting their war effort? Would you have sacrificed your own for that same ideal?
I’m simply saying let’s fight this war to win without one hand tied behind our backs. I feel as though you take your positions because the war is still over there. I don’t know you but you are obviously a thoughtful person with convictions. I understand that. But, at what point will you toss them aside if it is the difference between winning and losing?
Actually, I meant EXACTLY what I posted. Have you known our enemy to EVER be concerned with collateral damage? WE, the civilized West are in a fight for our very survival. I don’t shed a tear or have a sad thought if some ‘innocent’ peace loving muslim is reduced to a puddle of goo. Perhaps you’d like to put all of them on trial? f*ck that. Ask the family of Nick Berg if they have any problem with the utter annihilation of Islam. We are fighting this WAR with one hand tied behind our back because we are worried about the “feelings” of the muslim street. The reason we propelled the Allies to victory in WWII was because we were fighting to win, instead of what we’re doing now, which is fighting for some reason I have yet to fathom. Seems we are just sending brave men out to be targets in a turkey shoot. These muslim savages only understand one thing and that is brute force. They have no intention of ‘coexisting’. And as long as linguini spined neophytes like YOU influence how to achieve the objective, which is victory, we are going to die from a thousand paper cuts ie slowly and painfully. I say we start killing Arabs until they cry uncle and BEG forgiveness. And if extermination is what it takes, so be it. That’s their belief toward you. And if you don’t believe me, you should take a trip to the Middle East and see them in their native habitat. Trust me, it’ll be
enlightening.
In the face of terror and murder, the call for peace is not patriotic, it’s COWARDICE!
Mike, exactly who are these people “who otherwise wouldn’t bother right into the arms of the enemy.” Other muslims or liberals? Because they certainly don’t bother themselves with defending anything worthwhile. To do so would be discriminatory. Weep after the victory, not before.
Ahmad Vahidi is just another one in a long list.
“the world” can’t seem to get a consensus anymore about who/what constitutes creeps and cretins.
The Hezbollah guy who smashed a tiny Israeli child against a wall gets sprung from an Israeli jail and returns to Lebanon a hero.
“the UN” each year provides a spewing platform for the despicable Arachnid-jihad.
Hasan Nasrallah should be in jail instead of enjoying life as some kind of Islamic leader, as he works daily to bring down the legitimate government of Lebanon and continues the arms build up in south Lebanon, preparatory to Hezbollah’s next assault on Israel.
Detailing, over and over, the perfidy of such cretins is starting to seem almost superfluous.
Until “the world” grows a brain (doubtful that it’s even possible anymore) we’re screwed.
“The question for our government: Are we so naïve as to think that we can negotiate or bring about a change in the behavior of such terrorists?”
A resounding Yes that’s exactly what our State Dept. and Obama think.
The current school of Ivy League thought from our elites is that of engagement. Fear of us or our Force does not enter into it, Honor does not enter into it (except perhaps on the other side), and while their is some use of the concept of ‘interests’ re: embargoes-sanction et al, the primary tool used by this administration is good intent and the notion that reason will win out.
The Russians, Chinese, Koreans, Iranians, etc. etc. are laughing all the way to their arsenals. Gentlemen please take your corners.
Note: This idea of Fear, Honor and Interests was presented not long ago by Angelo Codevilla at a seminar on international relations, author of the ‘The Ruling Class and The Country Class’. His view of how negotiations work historically is through Fear/Force. Honor somewhat and Interests not so much. He never mentioned logic, good will, or reason as functional means of getting what you want from an enemy intent on killing you. But then Progressives DO NOT read history or is they do they certainly pay no attention to as they know better.
P.S. When asked who he thought had the best international negotiating skills (state department) his answer was quick and decisive….China, they look out for their own.
Obama, the Ivy League, H. Clinton are exactly the people who historically back us into a war. Chamberlain redux. Good Luck to all of us.
Pardon s/b:
But then Progressives DO NOT read history or if they do they certainly pay no attention to any of it as they know better.
I join all the others asking”why?” Why is this piece of crap still alive?Why hasn’t the iranian gov’t been bitch slapped into submission? They are greasy thugs that deserve death. Until POS obama is gone, I look for no change in our current situation. . . . he needs a 9 iron up his. . . . . sideways. . . .
Wow, all of you “Islamic radical” guys sound like those movie stars who played the terrorist parts in the “True Lies” movie. Your speech betrays you. Oh wait, maybe it was the movie “Black Sunday.” Or was it “A Son of the Sahara” or “The Black Stallion”, or maybe “Iron Eagle” or “Death Before Dishonor” or “Navy SEALs” or I know it’s “The Delta Force” or could it be “Executive Decision” or many peoples favorite “Reel Bad Arabs.” Gee, there are so many to pick from. Anyway, you guys go out and rent these and I am sure you will enjoy watching yourselves. If you guys find that these movies have helped you in any way, please guys, for your own sake, go see if you can get some anger management help. There is help out there.
One way to help you guys might be this latest infomation about the author Joel Richardson breaking new ground with a devastating account of the possible connection between the Biblical Antichrist and the Islamic Mahdi. The Bible predicts that in the last days a charismatic leader will establish a global following in the name of peace. The Quran also predicts that a man will rise up to lead the nations, pledging to usher in an era of peace. The man in the Quran is called the Mahdi, or Islam’s savior. However, the man in the Bible is the Antichrist. Could it be possible that they are one and the same person? Richardson’s stunning research and analysis suggest that it is.
and thats why the Iranis want nukes. These nuts call the Mahdi the “12th imam” and seem to believe that destroying the West with a nuke will hasten the return of the mahdi.
Actually, according to the Quran, the Mahdi and Christ are to rise together. The anti-Christ is supposed to appear like the good guys, and the savoir (s) are supposed to appear to be the bad guys.
hhhhmmmmmm.
Both side are right and both sides are wrong.
We in the west are NOT always right.
Every once in a while, Democratic senators visit their home states just to remind the local folks what arrogance sounds like.
Democract Senator Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico visited his home state recently. While he was there, he went on the air with Jim Villanucci of KKOB Radio in Albuquerque. “KKOB used to live under the Fairness Doctrine,” Bingaman asserted. “Yeah,” Villanucci replied. “We played music.”
It was somewhat ironic that Bingaman’s was promoting censorship of the radio while speaking on the radio, but that irony seemed to go right over his head.
Bill Press’ floundering radio show seems to be the place where Democrat senators go to say stupid things. Last week is was Senator Debbie Stabenow who wanted the Fairness Doctrine. This week it’s Senator Tom Harkin.
“…They are just shutting down progressive talk from one city after another,” Press said. “All we want is, you know, some balance on the airwaves, that’s all. You know, we’re not going to take any of the conservative voices off the airwaves, but just make sure that there are a few progressives and liberals out there, right?
“That’s why we need the Fairness Doctrine back,” Harkin responded.
We hereby propose the Congressional Fairness Doctrine. Here’s how it works. Each state gets two senators. If a state elects one stupid senator, an additional intelligent one would have to be appointed to serve simultaneously.
Only problem is New York, Massachusetts, and California would end up with four senators each.
By now you’ve probably heard that the Senate approved an amendment a few days ago to outlaw the “Fairness Doctrine.” Republican Senator Jim DeMint’s amendment passed by a comfortable margin of 87-to-11.
Although one would think it’s important to know which senators cast their votes in favor of censorship, we can’t find a single news report that calls out their names. So we’ll do it:
Bingaman (D-NM), Conrad (D-ND), Dorgan (D-ND), Feinstein (D-CA), Harkin (D-IA), Johnson (D-SD), Kerry (D-MA), Reed (D-RI), Rockefeller (D-WV), Sanders (I-VT), and Whitehouse (D-RI).
In addition, Kennedy (D-MA) did not vote, but does anyone doubt that he would have joined them Infamous Eleven had his health been up to it?
I remember a few years ago the head of the Iranian armed forces saying that Zionism was a disease and Iran was going to treat it with radiation therapy. I remember thinking to myself that these dingbats meant every word and I was certain if Iran got their hands on nuclear weapons they were going to use them against Israel. I don’t remember if Vahidi is the same person who made the statement concerning Zionism, but my opinion on Iran using these weapons hasn’t changed. Beware world.
The most sacred place in Islam is the Ka’ba in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. The Ka’ba is a mosque (built by Abraham according to Muslim tradition) built around a black stone. The Prophet Muhammad designated Mecca as the holy city of Islam and the direction (qibla) in which all Muslims should offer their prayers. There is a small building two blocks up the street from the Ka’ba that would be a perfect size to start a Christian Church in.
The second most sacred place in Islam is Medina. Medina is a city in the Hejaz region of western Saudi Arabia, and serves as the capital of the Al Madinah Province. It is the second holiest city in Islam, and the burial place of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad and it is historically significant for being his home after the Hijrah. Believe it or not, two blocks up the street there is a small building that would be a perfect size to start a Christian Church in.
Who would I contact in Saudi Arabia to find out about coming over to Mecca and then Medina to start the Christian Churches there? Our parish is looking forward to spreading the “Word” in Saudi Arabia. God bless. P.S. Say, you don’t think we will run into any problems, do you?
“The only problem with Islamic fundamentalism are the fundamentals of Islam.”
As the Progressives continue to help us with their politically correctness. we need to defend the “Anointed One” since his ratings are going (how do you say) into a hole in the sand? Oh, going down the toilet. So we will just let the liberal infidels call our jihad “domestic violence”? Let the filthy ones call it whatever they want. Never mind that my daughter had to pay the price for wanting to change religions? It is like when we told the stupid Americans that our Muslim scholars says it supports airline safety , but it is “deeply concerned” about the use of airport scanners that show nude images of the human body. How ignorant the Americans are. Now, lets get back to work , this white wire here goes to the detonator………….
I wonder if the “strip joint” around the corner from the Mosque at Ground Zero was similar to the one that many of the 911 Muslim terrorists attended the night before they flew the planes into the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, etc murdering thousands, many who were women and children?
If these people were religious terrorists and not political terrorists or people acting out on political grievances, how could they have drank, gone to strip clubs, and rented hookers the night before they supposedly wanted to meet Allah? (Notice I didn’t say God, I said Allah). So if everybody doesn’t accept their version of reality, that somehow invalidates it for them. Everybody must believe the same things they do.
Islam Stunning Video: Public School Field Trip Results in Islamic Indoctrination
Unsuspecting sixth graders get taken on a trip to a mosque, where overt indoctrination is the purpose.
Andy McCarthy: As the video relates, “Dawa Net,” one Islamic organization that instructs on how to use the schools to inculcate the young, explains that public schools in America are “fertile grounds where the seeds of Islam can be sowed inside the hearts of non-Muslim students.”
This a sixth-grade class from a public school in Wellesley, MA, working with another of these innocuous-sounding “charities” that are really leftwing fronts, using taxpayer-funded field trip time to take unsuspecting children to a mosque that’s notorious for its connections to the Muslim Brotherhood, for the kids to be indoctrinated.
Speaker Pelosi: Stand Up for Muslim Women, Not Islamists Like Rauf!
An open letter from the founder and president of the Alliance of Iranian Women.
September 5, 2010 – by Manda Zand Ervin
Honorable Speaker Pelosi:
I heard you say that the people who oppose the construction of the Ground Zero mosque should be investigated.
Investigate me. I oppose the construction of that mosque.
This mosque, built in such close proximity to Ground Zero, is intended to send a message to America and another message to the Muslims who are gravitating toward human rights laws and secularism. We are sure that this mosque will cause nothing but division and justified ill will towards Muslims in this country.
I came to America as a political refugee, fleeing from the Islamic rule in Iran that subsumed a secular, woman-respecting government. As a human, woman, and a mother, I could not live under nor subject my daughter to such brutal, barbarian tyranny. What I see now occurring in my new home, America, is Islamists forcing their policies in bits and pieces, here and there. It is terribly disconcerting, not only to me but to all Iranian Americans and the large majority of Muslims who came to America to live in peace, freedom, and prosperity.
Madam Speaker: The Islamists are using the laws of this greatest of democracies to implement their ideology in any way they can — whether by propaganda, intimidation, the misuse of political correctness or anti-discrimination policies, or the minority status that this society puts at their disposal. Plus the most powerful of all tools, the money — the limitless petrodollars coming from foreign Islamist dictators with anti-democratic agendas.
Because the American Constitution calls for the separation of religion and government, the Justice Department, the ACLU, and others constantly minimize the influence Christianity and Judaism have on American secular society. What we, American Muslims, wonder: why is there an exception for Islam from the rules applied to others, even though the Islamic human rights record is deeply problematic and contrary to all the civil rights and individual rights laws of this great republic?
Why is Islam given a pass that is not given to Christianity or Judaism?
Madam Speaker: You are a powerful woman in the world, but you don’t care much about the human rights of hundreds of millions of women and children who need the support of the people like you to gain their individual freedom. You claim to be for the women’s right to choose, but then you ignore the right of women and children to have human dignity!
A large majority of America’s Muslims, women and girls, are living under sharia laws. Stripped of their human dignity.
You support the construction of the mosque but you don’t support the women and girls who are forced to wear hijabs against their will. Muslim women and girls live in seclusion, on the fringes of society, without recourse because of their families’ religion. In the name of religious freedom, political correctness in America only pleases the patriarchal hierarchy of the Muslim world. In the name of religious freedom, America permits Muslim communities to run a state within a state, perpetuating the patriarchal crimes against helpless women and children who should have their constitutional rights defended.
When “Muslim men” are given extra privileges that are definitely not granted to those of other religions, my Muslim sisters and I see this as the gravest discrimination committed in America.
Madam Speaker: We came to America to live in peace and harmony with Americans. We don’t want to be identified by our religion. We want to be identified by our cultures and the content of our characters. We want to be Americans, not Muslim-Americans.
We don’t want our girls forced by their fathers to wear hijabs, and to be embarrassed among their peers in American schools. We want to be free to practice — or not practice — our religion. We also want to be free to “choose.”
Unfortunately, politicians like you have chosen to cater to the worst among us — the Muslim dictators and the so-called community leaders. Ignoring the rest of us, Muslim women and children, as if we don’t exist.
The Islamists will not stop until Islam rules the world. Ayatollah Khomeini declared that Iran was a platform toward a Muslim world.
All of us American Muslims know that this is the most democratic country on Earth, and we are well aware of the Constitution and the meaning of freedom of religion in America. We luxuriate in that freedom, and we celebrate it, and we defend it.
You know well that the question here is not freedom of religion, or respect for Muslims! This is nothing but pure politics — sacrificing humanity in the name of religion for the sake of ideological politics.
We want America to treat Islam like it treats Christianity and Judaism, and to stop exempting Muslims from requirements imposed on others. We want Islam to be challenged by the same questioning, criticism, and control that is applied to other religions. Please stop pampering Islam to appease the terrorists and dictators.
Madam Speaker: The Age of Enlightenment changed the face of Judaism and Christianity, but Islam remains trapped in the 6th century. Here we have the Constitution and law. Apply it evenly to all — no exceptions for Islam. Support freedom from religion for the women and children suffering under Islamic law in America.
Manda Zand Ervin is the founder and the president of the Alliance of Iranian women. She was the U.S. delegate to the UN Commission on the Status of Women in 2008.
I doubt if the puke wrote “Faith in God…” It would have been, “Faith in Allah…”.
All you nice folks know Allah means the god. Not G-d. Allah Akbar means the god is greatest. Greatest of what? Greatest of all other gods at the Kabba. There were 360 false gods during Mohammad’s time. He just made the moon god number one, or elce!
The puke is a classic moon god worshiper. The CFR controled government can’t get enough of them inside America fast enough. Look at all the problems they cause.
“He just made the moon god number one”
- That sound is your credibility flushing away.
No, it is the sound of me flushing a big Mike.
Here is some of the Dr. level information on Allah.
J. Blau in the Journal of Semitic Studies Vol. XVII, #2, 1972, pp. 173-190
Encyclopedia of Islam I:302, Leiden: E.J. Brill, 1913, Houtsma
Mohammad’s family prayed to the moon god Allah. Mohammad made Allah the only god to worship. Where was the idol located? Mecca. Where does islam pray towards?
The people who say that Islam is ‘Moon god’ worship are the same kind of people who say Christianity is simply warmed over ‘Mithra worship’: They are people who simply swallow whatever slogans happen flatter their personal prejudices as truth. They are usually rather dim and mistakenly believe that trumpeting the same BS constantly is the same as proving it true.
One can refuse to believe a correct history, but that does not change history. You might want to research your lack of knowledge on the subject before claiming to know about moon god worship in the Ancient world.
I realize the truth hurts Mike, but better to know it now. The two examples at the Dr. level are only the tip of the iceberg of what Allah is.
No, your ‘history’ is crap from start to finish.
Try reading a little of this.
But then I’m sure you already have. I mean, if you truly are going to slander the faith of so many people, I’m sure you have, you know, OBJECTIVELY researched the evidence as opposed to gorging yourself of the first scrap of literary bigotry that flattered your prejudices. But, I could be wrong…
You’re not only wrong, you appear to be a spokesmen for the religion of peace, and refusing to accept correct history. Islam is a death cult around a false moon god, and follows a mad man who murdered, and raped most of his adult life.
It is why the tone you write with is so full of anger.
Vahidi had better remember the old bumper sticker-Iran is a 4-letter word. In this case, one Minuteman 2 aimed at any earthquake fault ought to deal with punk Vahidi quite easily, since you idiots , even after 2000 , still cant build a house that will stand up to even a moderate quake.
Everybody is asking WHY is this man allowed to breath.Why is he allowed to form his hit squads and boast about the murders he committed.
I’ll tell you why, He is a politician,and all politicians protect each other.All the people he killed ,none were politicians( apart from Harari)and I think that was a mistake. It’s a world wide web of deceipt,where every polli gets to protect his adversary,however bad he is.If the US assasinated an Iranian politician,then our polli’s would be fair game.It’s all a con job that the Gov will not let you know.
I know,because of an incident that happened in my life.
“Mike, I wonder if you’ll be as righteous if your kids were slaughtered like those children in Beslan.”
- Well, just to make sure you understand, I am NOT a pacifist. i would have no compunction about going after those who trained, equipped, etc. such attackers, and, were it my family that was killed, I wouldn’t rest until each one of them had been dealt with.
HOWEVER
If you mean would I suddenly rush out to kill innocent civilians who happened to be of the same nationality/race/religion in vengeance, or demand the attack of one or more of the enemies mentioned above if such an attack then meant the death and/or dismemberment of MANY innocents, including women and children? To this I say no. True, I say this now as my wife and child are safe at home. I hope and pray (first that such a thing would never happen) that in such a situation I would not sink to such horrific depravity.
“I guess you would have been, or were, against the h-bombs dropped on Japan?”
- Yes.
“You would rather sacrifice a couple hundred thousand more Americans just to avaoid killing innocents”
- As opposed to killing hundreds of thousands of innocents (women and children included) as we did?
“I’m simply saying let’s fight this war to win without one hand tied behind our backs.”
- I would agree. Where we differ is what constitutes ‘hand behind our backs.’ Saying something like so many leftists did, that we should fight them with law enforcement, but NEVER use our military is something I would consider hamstringing us. Simply saying that we will not sink to the level of the barbarians and butcher the innocent I see more as a requirement of maintaining our humanity.
“I feel as though you take your positions because the war is still over there.”
- I suppose you do have a point. I have never, to quote Patton’s speech, put my hand in a pile of goo that a moment before was my friend’s face. I hope and pray that, should such a terrible thing ever happen, that I would have the strength to not lose my humanity in the way I’ve described.
“But, at what point will you toss them aside if it is the difference between winning and losing?”
- Never, I pray. If we do, then we need to stop pretending there is any difference between them and us.
sorry bro but your wrong. the difference btw us and them is we will survive they wont. war isnt pretty and its not fair. the more we try to be nice about ti the longer it will last and the more thoes innocents you care so much for will suffer. hiroshima and nagasaki are 2 perfect example of how doing what was needed to do even if it ment harming some innocents saved lives…130,000″innocent” to save how many millions? these people over there are cannon fodder regardless. either the taliban will kill them to get to us or they will turn into the taliban themselves and we will have to kill them. but its time to quit pretending there is an other way to do this…its NOT working. These people are killers period. you cant reason with them you cant talk them out of it. all you can do is either kill them or be killed by them. this isnt television the good guys do not win in reality by playing fair against a cheater, never has and history dosent remember the loosers with any sympathy in some cases not at all. so we can sit here and play dudley dooright and watch everything we fought for be destroyed or we can stop pissing a round, grow a sac and kill the enemy who will kill us.
“the difference btw us and them is we will survive they wont.”
- That hardly excuses anything. Your entire statement is based purely on ‘might makes right’, and has been the principle guiding some of the worst and most evil men history has to show us. I believe you would find them good company.
“history dosent remember the loosers with any sympathy in some cases not at all.”
- Hahaha! There is this island a little to the west of England where pretty much all the people would disagree with you. Just one example.
“so we can sit here and play dudley dooright and watch everything we fought for be destroyed”
- Or simply do what you’re advocating and simply take everything we’ve fought for up until now and destroy it ourselves, which, if I remember the statements of a certain towel wearing geriatric sitting in a Pakistani cave, was kinda what they were trying to get us to do anyway.
Mike, I appreciate your honesty and values, and feel our dialog has been meaningful. But you haven’t answered the most important question. Would you be willing to sacrifice your wife and kids for your ideals? If it were down to that, what would you do? In the end, that is the ultimate question. I, like you, hope that it would never come to that, but what if it did? If you knew that your brother, father, or son would have been assaulting the islands of Japan, would you have been more willing to drop the bomb? If nuking Tehran kept your hometown from being nuked, would you do it? Can you be certain that a US nuke is not meant to protect Israel from destruction? You and I both know that the Lord works behind the scenes and in mysterious ways. HE has said that HE will turn sons against fathers, and daughters against mothers. Can we be certain that he won’t use a God-fearing nation to protect Israel, or to fight against evil?
“But you haven’t answered the most important question. Would you be willing to sacrifice your wife and kids for your ideals? If it were down to that, what would you do?”
- I thought I had answered, but I’ll be more direct. What you are asking is, and please revise or correct me if I’m not answering the same question as you’re asking, this: Would I put aside any concern for the lives of innocents, perhaps MANY, MANY innocents, should myself or my family be directly threatened?
My answer is in two parts.
1 – The Principle: No, I would not engage in the direct murder of the innocent. Period. Such a thing is a heinous evil. In such life or death situations, I must fight to protect myself and my family even to the point of total self sacrifice, but I may NOT engage in the slaughter of innocent people.
2 – ‘Rubber Meets the Road’: In actual practice, like all things, one MUST stick to moral principles, although that is easier said than done. I am not an emotionless automaton, nor a detached participant in some video game. There are countless situations that could be thought up that provide various degrees of difficulty, and being that I am a weak, fallen man, I will be the first to admit that it is possible that this principle could get overridden in the heat of the moment. I hope that never happens. But even if it did, that would NOT EXCUSE MY ACTION. My action would STILL BE AN ACT OF GRAVE EVIL, something I would, justly, be called to account for.
“If you mean would I suddenly rush out to kill innocent civilians who happened to be of the same nationality/race/religion in vengeance, or demand the attack of one or more of the enemies mentioned above if such an attack then meant the death and/or dismemberment of MANY innocents, including women and children? To this I say no. True, I say this now as my wife and child are safe at home. I hope and pray (first that such a thing would never happen) that in such a situation I would not sink to such horrific depravity.”
Mike, if the Beslan murderers, of your family, were holed up in a house with a house on either side whose inhabitants were unknown, would you send in a missile then, or would you let them possibly get away to murder someone elses children?
I think this is a different situation, JT. There is a difference between hitting the enemy while doing everything you can to minimize any collateral damage and not caring if innocents die in the process. We have weapons that provide ways of doing that. I believe a case could be made for a strike in the situation you are describing.
Now, on the other hand, let’s take an example to illustrate the point I was trying to make: You find one or two of the Beslan killers in a hospital. Perhaps they’re there for the mandatory yearly terrorist physical, who knows. There are TONS of innocents in this hospital, people not affiliated with terrorism in any way. In this case, sending a missile or JDAM to take them out would be OUT OF THE QUESTION. Then again, should the solution instead involve a ‘florist’ visiting them and leaving a gift bouquet of suppressed 124gr rounds in each of them, such a thing would certainly be possible.
These are extreme examples, yes. But I’m trying to illustrate a principle.
Ok Mike, I get your point, and agree with your florist suggestion. But, I think the difference between you and me is you are willing to lose as long as your ideals are preserved. I want to win at all costs.
this stuff dosent suprise me. what DOES suprise me is America and the west in general continued denial of the threat islam represents and their continued refusal to take decisive action against them. instead of dealing with the threat we state “oh they are not all like that”….YES THEY ARE! geez you look at the pols and the vast majority sympathize with them. Im not going to worry about the couple here and there that may be good. Sorry but this IS was wheter you like it or not. its not a battle of hearts and minds but for our very survival. cultures are not equal, there is good and bad, and winners and loosers. These people are not fighting for freedom, but to enslave the world. and wheter the idiot commies and anarchists realize or not. AMERICA is the last barrier btw their take over. once we are gone. all the lil commies and anarchists who think they are so clever and are using radical islsam will find out exactly how wrong they were. muslims who hold america and our values before their religion i got no problem with. but theuy either need to stand up and be counted or get mowed down with the rest. i will not watch my country get taken over like europe just because some misinformed idiots want to have a kumbaiyah circlejerk and deny reality cause its not nice
If we are such WAR MONGERS then let`s just nuke iran and north korea and take everything they have. You remember the good old days after your army kicked the sh-t out of another army. Then we could pillage their country and their people. Tell me when has America done this in the past!
Response to Dracon:
“WE, the civilized West are in a fight for our very survival.”
- You call us the ‘civilized West’, and yet you are advocating destroying one of the pillars that makes us civilized. That doesn’t quite make sense to me.
“I don’t shed a tear or have a sad thought if some ‘innocent’ peace loving muslim is reduced to a puddle of goo … exactly who are these people ‘who otherwise wouldn’t bother right into the arms of the enemy.’”
- Considering the number of people in places like Afghanistan, and comparing it to the actual estimated number of active Taliban and their supporters, I think your ‘average Afghani’ is not THAT different from your average American. I think it could be shown that he really wants to raise his family, make some money if he can and be left alone. People like that I DO have a problem with killing.
“Perhaps you’d like to put all of them on trial?”
- The ones that by law are owed a trial, yes. The ones that we fight that are not eligible? I think we’re actually pretty good and taking care of them on the battlefield.
“Ask the family of Nick Berg if they have any problem with the utter annihilation of Islam.”
- Ask the groom at the wedding that a Predator drone accidentally crashed with a Hellfire that killed his wife and his extended family if he has any problem with the utter annihilation of the ‘Christian Crusaders’. The answer from neither person can be used as a reason to actually DO that.
“We are fighting this WAR with one hand tied behind our back because we are worried about the ‘feelings’ of the muslim street.”
- I am not worried about their feelings. I am concerned with objective moral evil.
“instead of what we’re doing now, which is fighting for some reason I have yet to fathom.”
- And yet you call for the wholesale murder innocents for a reason that you yourself CLAIM YOU DON’T KNOW OR UNDERSTAND!?!?
“And if extermination is what it takes, so be it.”
- So, that’s your FINAL SOLUTION to the ‘muslim problem’, eh?
“In the face of terror and murder, the call for peace is not patriotic, it’s COWARDICE!”
- Any man, who, in the face of danger, calls for the murder of women and children, and for this considers himself to be brave for doing so, has no right to walk free in civilized society. Perhaps he should be confined to a hospital where mental health professionals can study him to determine what went wrong.
“WE, the civilized West are in a fight for our very survival.”
- You call us the ‘civilized West’, and yet you are advocating destroying one of the pillars that makes us civilized. That doesn’t quite make sense to me.
**Well, of course it doesn’t make sense to you because you don’t realize what is at stake. This is a kill or be killed situation.
“I don’t shed a tear or have a sad thought if some ‘innocent’ peace loving muslim is reduced to a puddle of goo … exactly who are these people ‘who otherwise wouldn’t bother right into the arms of the enemy.’”
- Considering the number of people in places like Afghanistan, and comparing it to the actual estimated number of active Taliban and their supporters, I think your ‘average Afghani’ is not THAT different from your average American. I think it could be shown that he really wants to raise his family, make some money if he can and be left alone. People like that I DO have a problem with killing.
** Once again you don’t understand what is at stake. Let them hate, so long as they fear. And if the ‘average’ Afghani wants to live his life in peace blah, blah, blah why aren’t they helping us rid their country of the taliban? The taliban certainly doesn’t grant them what you assume they want. Why do they sit by while their women are brutalized and disfigured?
“Perhaps you’d like to put all of them on trial?”
- The ones that by law are owed a trial, yes. The ones that we fight that are not eligible? I think we’re actually pretty good and taking care of them on the battlefield.
** owed a trial by who’s system of law? And you are apparently oblivious to what is happening on the battlefield in Afghanistan. obama’s ROE are ridiculous and deadly TO AMERICANS.
“Ask the family of Nick Berg if they have any problem with the utter annihilation of Islam.”
- Ask the groom at the wedding that a Predator drone accidentally crashed with a Hellfire that killed his wife and his extended family if he has any problem with the utter annihilation of the ‘Christian Crusaders’. The answer from neither person can be used as a reason to actually DO that.
** Yeah, little problem with your argument here. According to you, the Hellfire missile strike was an accident. And what happened to Nick Berg was no accident. I bet you’d make excuses for a terrorist attack which wiped out your family, in the name of ‘fairness’ and being civil. Newsflash, life ain’t fair. And we aren’t crusading, sir.
“We are fighting this WAR with one hand tied behind our back because we are worried about the ‘feelings’ of the muslim street.”
- I am not worried about their feelings. I am concerned with objective moral evil.
** Well, we have something in common.
“instead of what we’re doing now, which is fighting for some reason I have yet to fathom.”
- And yet you call for the wholesale murder innocents for a reason that you yourself CLAIM YOU DON’T KNOW OR UNDERSTAND!?!?
** No, what I meant was I don’t see an objective to our being there fighting unless we are fighting to win.
“And if extermination is what it takes, so be it.”
- So, that’s your FINAL SOLUTION to the ‘muslim problem’, eh?
** Big difference here, just like with your moral relativism with the Hellfire comment. I am willing to defend Western civilization from murdering fanatics, whatever the price. And I resent your inference that I advocate the same war philosophy, offensive/blitzkrieg as a Nazi. I am speaking of fighting a defensive engagement. Don’t start none, won’t be none.
“In the face of terror and murder, the call for peace is not patriotic, it’s COWARDICE!”
- Any man, who, in the face of danger, calls for the murder of women and children, and for this considers himself to be brave for doing so, has no right to walk free in civilized society. Perhaps he should be confined to a hospital where mental health professionals can study him to determine what went wrong.
** This is so ridiculous it doesn’t deserve a response. You’re twisting the words.
Nice discussion, you will wait to be attacked and possibly annihilated because of your smugness. I, however, want me and mine, to survive and that can only be accomplished by killing those who want to kill me. Sorry you don’t understand that.
“Well, of course it doesn’t make sense to you because you don’t realize what is at stake. This is a kill or be killed situation.”
- Actually, looking over all these comments again, I think I have a better idea of ALL that is a stake than any of you do. You and most others on here focus on ONE thing: ‘Them thar moose-lims might try to blow me up, we better go kill all thar women n’ kids!’ I’m worried about more: ‘Yes, we need to make sure our country and our people are protected from those who wish to do them harm as best we can. AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE MUST KEEP VIGILANT AND ENSURE THAT, IN THE NAME OF ‘WAR’ AND ‘SECURITY’, WE DO NOT ONLY THROW AWAY WHAT OUR COUNTRY STANDS FOR, AND ALSO LOSE OUR HUMANITY IN THE PROCESS.’
“why aren’t they helping us rid their country of the taliban?”
- Perhaps because they don’t see the Taliban as much of a problem to them as we do to us? Kind of like how many Mexicans don’t have real problems with the drug cartels (in fact, popular songs are written all the time praising them.)
“The taliban certainly doesn’t grant them what you assume they want.”
- And neither are we for the most part.
“Why do they sit by while their women are brutalized and disfigured?”
- Are you talking about the Taliban or missiles of ours that get fired on civilian targets with alarming frequency? Because your comment could go either way.
“owed a trial by who’s system of law?”
- The laws of the United States. And yes, some DO deserve trial due to the circumstances. Many don’t.
“obama’s ROE are ridiculous and deadly TO AMERICANS.”
- No, I am quite aware of this.
“Yeah, little problem with your argument here. According to you, the Hellfire missile strike was an accident. And what happened to Nick Berg was no accident.”
- Both are still dead. The husband isn’t going to care that it was an accident. Would you? Hardly.
“I bet you’d make excuses for a terrorist attack which wiped out your family, in the name of ‘fairness’ and being civil.”
- I never made excuses for anyone, nor would I.
“I am willing to defend Western civilization from murdering fanatics, whatever the price.”
- Apparently including the price of throwing away some of the very fundamentals that distinguish Western Civilization from barbarism. Your plan to save it is to willing destroy what it stands for.
“And I resent your inference that I advocate the same war philosophy, offensive/blitzkrieg as a Nazi.”
- ‘And if extermination is what it takes, so be it.’ Those are your words. I say, if the shoe fits, you should wear it.
“This is so ridiculous it doesn’t deserve a response. You’re twisting the words.”
- Hardly. All you need do is look over the posted responses to this article and the one in the Beaumont Club about Moscow and you will see MUCH of the posting community here seems to have an fetish for fantasizing about the murder of innocents, particularly though nuclear means. There is nothing to twist, their comments are too twisted already. They’re so twisted, they’re practically sprained.
Mike you have no idea what this country started out as or what it stands for now.We started out as a country where you were free to worship GOD the way you chose. Our fore fathers were very supportive of the worship of GOD without fear of retaliation for how or who you worshiped. You have no idea the sacrifices our fore fathers made to start this great country. I guess if I lived where you live I would not worry about being attacked. So Mike, here you show you are only thinking of yourself. Mike you better open your eyes at what islam and the muslims are doing around the world or some muslim will shut your eyes forever. You bleeding goodie goodies are a danger to all Americans. Read the art of war you may learn something. May GOD be with you.
Mike, you are well-spoken, but you are naive. You think you can beat evil with your pragmatism. You would lose.
I take great offense to the fact that you feel if someone disagrees with your position that they fantasize about killing innocent women and children. I doubt that many, if any, of the patriots disagreeing with you fantasize, or desire, to kill innocent people. This is a common tactic of the left where you apparently belong.
I thought for awhile that you would actually be worth having on our team. But, now I am convinced you do not belong in my foxhole watching my back. You would sacrifice your family and your country for your ideals. I think you are a fool and a coward, and cannot be counted on when the shooting begins.
“You think you can beat evil with your pragmatism.”
- I think we can defeat evil without becoming inhuman beasts ourselves. And BTW, our founders, if you have read them, WOULD AGREE WITH ME.
“I take great offense to the fact that you feel if someone disagrees with your position that they fantasize about killing innocent women and children.”
- That is not my position at all. I said that so many fantasize about it not because they disagree with me, as if that was a cause/effect relationship, I say it BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THEY SAY. They make no effort to hide what it is they wish to happen. Have you READ a lot of the comments here? There are a good many in this article’s responses. If you want some even better example, head over to the ‘Beaumont Club’ and read the responses to the Moscow article.
“This is a common tactic of the left where you apparently belong.”
- Funny, when I debate those on the ‘left’ I am attacked at once as some kind of racist warmongering ‘dittohead’, whatever that is. I seem not to belong anywhere.
“You would sacrifice your family and your country for your ideals.”
- You would ask me to commit an absolutely evil act of a TRULY monstrous nature so that, perhaps, some other evil MIGHT be avoided. That I can’t do.
“cannot be counted on when the shooting begins.”
- That entirely depends on who is being TARGETED by the shooting.
When will everyone wake up from their slumber.
We started all of this.
Mossadegh’s democratic Iran was overthrown in 53 by a CIA coup. If democracy was allowed to flourish then, the Shah would not have been in power, the Islamic Revolution would have mostly never happened, and we wouldn’t be worried about Iranians the way we are.
I wont bother to give a list here of all the ass****s we either backed or put in power with no regard to the will of the people. Both the left, the right, and everyone in between has to admit to that.
And we are still continuing.
How happy are the Afghan people about the democracy we created there? I will say this–we have put real power in the worst of the lot in Afghanistan. Malalai Joya (suspended female parliament member has a lot to say about it).
So why would an average Afghan choose the Taliban (or at least give it serious thought). Because their alternative is worse. The first thing the Taliban gives Afghans is the protection from these warlords.
and yeah…it’s a Catch 22, because the Taliban are a brutal.
The US? The Afghans blame the US for allowing animals to have their gov.
To Leatherneck:
I’m going to replay for everyone what happened when you saw my response:
You clicked on the link I provided. When it came up, you saw Arabic writing at the top… and immidiatly closed the browser window. You then went at once back to the pajamasmedia site to tell me how wrong I was, without of course even reading what I posted.
Well, if you won’t look at something because it has Arabic on it, how about a Christian source? Try this one.
I promise there is no Arabic writing on that site that will offend your delicate sensibilities.
And actually, I’m not a spokesman for anyone, nor am I Muslim. But if I am to disagree with someone, I prefer to know what it is I’m disagreeing with instead of accepting a caricature of it.
Mike, your a fool. There is no way you can know what I have, or have not done. Change your name to Miss Chloe, and read the two examples of correct history I stated.
Correct history, not Islam’s version of it.
“Mike, your a fool. There is no way you can know what I have, or have not done.”
- Actually it’s pretty obvious that you didn’t bother reading what I posted. You call both of them ‘Islam’s version’ of history, when one is by several Muslim scholars and the other is by a WELL KNOWN CHRISTIAN HISTORIAN who is quite obviously not a cheerleader for Islam to say the least. You quite obviously didn’t read them.
What’s wrong, were there not enough pictures?
Your historical knowledge has the width and depth of a WalMart kiddie pool. Islam is not moon worship, just like Christianity is not sun worship.
good for you Mike!
History tends to be bias depending on who writes it. We have to read all history from all sources, and try to determine the truth.
How will history treat the west in a hundred years? Who knows.
But I do know this (all u warmongers out there)…
Most of what we do in the name of “US interests” is for big business. Freeing the Afghans or the Iraqis has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Currently, every warlord and drug lord (with the same twisted Islamic interpretation as the Taliban) sits in the Afghan parliament with our blessing.
Always remember to ask yourself whenever the US sticks their nose in anything–
Who wants to do this and who has something to gain?
I have lost all faith in the puppets who run my country. This is not the same country started by my forefathers.
“Friends with all nations…alliances with none” Thomas Jefferson
In binLadens own words…this is all about Israel and our role in the death of countless Muslims.
If suddenly the UN decided that the American Indians should get everything back…you and your family were ousted or killed, most people here would feel very differently.
Try to walk in someone else’s shoes for a minute.
To all those who use the “what if your family was killed?” as a prelude to killing “them all”, then you are essentially saying that the Palestinians have the right to defend and retaliate against Israel.
There u go…western jihadis.
you are all full of “S”
George Washington is rolling in his grave, I am sure. All of this has nothing to do with justice at all.
There will be civil war here as well. I will be looking for you