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		<title>By: typos_R_us</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/iranian-students-americas-hidden-ally/#comment-217281</link>
		<dc:creator>typos_R_us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 06:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;threat of communism and soviets was very close to non existent if not totally absent.&quot;

We know that now.  In the 70&#039;s they didn&#039;t.

Arik, not sure we are on the same wavelength here.
The CIA has overthrown several governments. mostly in the 50&#039;s and 60&#039;s.  Read all about it;

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/contents/church/contents_church_reports.htm

It was established policy by the Dulles brothers, who ran State and the CIA as a two headed monster.
If you really want to read up on the nitty gritty details, find &quot; The Armies of Ignorance&quot; by Willaim R, Corson.
He covers operation &#039;Red Cap&#039; in considerable detail.  Nothing on the web about the real Red Cap.  The NSA ran a web spider and pulled it all down.  All that is left is the cover story.  The Church Committe, which is referenced in the URL above, had some Red Cap stuff, IIRC about the CIA ops in Chile, Lebanon and Spain, but not all of it has been declassified yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;threat of communism and soviets was very close to non existent if not totally absent.&#8221;</p>
<p>We know that now.  In the 70&#8242;s they didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Arik, not sure we are on the same wavelength here.<br />
The CIA has overthrown several governments. mostly in the 50&#8242;s and 60&#8242;s.  Read all about it;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/contents/church/contents_church_reports.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/contents/church/contents_church_reports.htm</a></p>
<p>It was established policy by the Dulles brothers, who ran State and the CIA as a two headed monster.<br />
If you really want to read up on the nitty gritty details, find &#8221; The Armies of Ignorance&#8221; by Willaim R, Corson.<br />
He covers operation &#8216;Red Cap&#8217; in considerable detail.  Nothing on the web about the real Red Cap.  The NSA ran a web spider and pulled it all down.  All that is left is the cover story.  The Church Committe, which is referenced in the URL above, had some Red Cap stuff, IIRC about the CIA ops in Chile, Lebanon and Spain, but not all of it has been declassified yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Arik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nonsense to all of you.  The only movements who have successfully overthrown governments, Iran included, had a dedicated cadre of well-trained trigger pullers.  This is not India or the Civil Rights movement.  The Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. will mow down any opposition I guarantee there won&#039;t be any student willing to shoot back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nonsense to all of you.  The only movements who have successfully overthrown governments, Iran included, had a dedicated cadre of well-trained trigger pullers.  This is not India or the Civil Rights movement.  The Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. will mow down any opposition I guarantee there won&#8217;t be any student willing to shoot back.</p>
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		<title>By: Robo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 02:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that cold war was an important factor but whether it was prime consideration or not is subject to debate. Iran was in much more stable condition as a non-communist nation prior to 1979 rather than after that and the threat of communism and soviets was very close to non existent if not totally absent. In regards with the issue of cold war and soviets, it was refusal of previous Iranian regime of cooperation with west to support Afghan mujahedin in western region of Afghanistan which added to the reasons that western nations, with leadership of United States, decided to destroy previous system. This came after creation of Islamic republic in Pakistan and then creation of Taliban movement with the help of Ben Ladin and based on proposition and under supervision of Mr. Brezezinski. But the issue of oil existed long before that and since early 1960&#039;s that Iran had increased pressure on oil companies to agree with bigger share of oil revenue for Iranians.

It is very true that cold war and refusal of Iranian government in cooperating with west to bring soviets to its knees in Afghanistan (giving a Vietnam to Soviets, as Mr. Brezezinski put it) played a role but I don&#039;t believe anyone in the west was worried that Soviets would make such move in Iran like they did in Afghanistan (at least there is no sign of such concern in any of the communication documents of western governments) to reach to warm waters. Considering the advancements in naval technology, I don&#039;t believe soviets really needed any warm waters since long time ago but that drum had been beaten by British continuously to justify their colonialistic ambitions in that region. Even oil was not a big attraction for soviets as they had much bigger oil reserves in the territories under their control in central Asia and Ghafghaz region. In fact, oil in those regions played a big role in decision by western governments to make their determining move to break the soviet union and it paid off! American oil companies are now busy making money in the same territories which were part of soviet union not very long ago!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that cold war was an important factor but whether it was prime consideration or not is subject to debate. Iran was in much more stable condition as a non-communist nation prior to 1979 rather than after that and the threat of communism and soviets was very close to non existent if not totally absent. In regards with the issue of cold war and soviets, it was refusal of previous Iranian regime of cooperation with west to support Afghan mujahedin in western region of Afghanistan which added to the reasons that western nations, with leadership of United States, decided to destroy previous system. This came after creation of Islamic republic in Pakistan and then creation of Taliban movement with the help of Ben Ladin and based on proposition and under supervision of Mr. Brezezinski. But the issue of oil existed long before that and since early 1960&#8242;s that Iran had increased pressure on oil companies to agree with bigger share of oil revenue for Iranians.</p>
<p>It is very true that cold war and refusal of Iranian government in cooperating with west to bring soviets to its knees in Afghanistan (giving a Vietnam to Soviets, as Mr. Brezezinski put it) played a role but I don&#8217;t believe anyone in the west was worried that Soviets would make such move in Iran like they did in Afghanistan (at least there is no sign of such concern in any of the communication documents of western governments) to reach to warm waters. Considering the advancements in naval technology, I don&#8217;t believe soviets really needed any warm waters since long time ago but that drum had been beaten by British continuously to justify their colonialistic ambitions in that region. Even oil was not a big attraction for soviets as they had much bigger oil reserves in the territories under their control in central Asia and Ghafghaz region. In fact, oil in those regions played a big role in decision by western governments to make their determining move to break the soviet union and it paid off! American oil companies are now busy making money in the same territories which were part of soviet union not very long ago!</p>
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		<title>By: typos_R_us</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 00:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>US Naval Intelligence organization!

Yep, I was right there on the edge of it.  You see OIL as the prime factor but the players didn&#039;t.  It was who controlled the OIL that mattered.  So the prime consideration was what the Soviets were up to.  Plus taking Iran would give the Soviets their long cobeted warm water port.
Look at a globe of earth from the top.  The CCP was surrounded.  The best place for them to do a breakout was Iran.  That was of greater concern then OIL.  Plenty of OIL.  Despite all the dire predictions, we haven&#039;t run out yet.  Improved technology makes OIL available today that wasn&#039;t available 30 or 40 years ago.
Remember this was 10 years before the Soviet collapse.  IIRC in 1979, the USA was the worlds #1 OIL producer.  The DOE knew that wouldn&#039;t last so ME OIL was seen more as a subject for the future.  Which is now.  The prime consideration at that time was the cold war.
The USA has been messing around in the third world since day one.  I blame the Department of State.
The usurper will have to start a war to fix the economy.  I just wonder where he will start it.  Since he is a coward, I expect it to be some 3rd world country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US Naval Intelligence organization!</p>
<p>Yep, I was right there on the edge of it.  You see OIL as the prime factor but the players didn&#8217;t.  It was who controlled the OIL that mattered.  So the prime consideration was what the Soviets were up to.  Plus taking Iran would give the Soviets their long cobeted warm water port.<br />
Look at a globe of earth from the top.  The CCP was surrounded.  The best place for them to do a breakout was Iran.  That was of greater concern then OIL.  Plenty of OIL.  Despite all the dire predictions, we haven&#8217;t run out yet.  Improved technology makes OIL available today that wasn&#8217;t available 30 or 40 years ago.<br />
Remember this was 10 years before the Soviet collapse.  IIRC in 1979, the USA was the worlds #1 OIL producer.  The DOE knew that wouldn&#8217;t last so ME OIL was seen more as a subject for the future.  Which is now.  The prime consideration at that time was the cold war.<br />
The USA has been messing around in the third world since day one.  I blame the Department of State.<br />
The usurper will have to start a war to fix the economy.  I just wonder where he will start it.  Since he is a coward, I expect it to be some 3rd world country.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie Claude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie Claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seems that Robo corroborates what it is said here too

http://www.iran-resist.org/article3972.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seems that Robo corroborates what it is said here too</p>
<p><a href="http://www.iran-resist.org/article3972.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.iran-resist.org/article3972.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 03:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typos, post # 15,

I am sorry but you are exactly on the same track as the other guy. The problem is that it was not Carter or General Huyser who helped in coming of Khomeini and establishment of Islamic regime in Iran. If you study declassified documents of CIA and state department, you could clearly see that Khomeini was a known figure since start of his appearance in Iran&#039;s politics in 1963. Carter was no saint to wish a &quot;holy man&quot; to rule in Iran! This is all nonsense! The whole story was about oil because 1979 was the deadline for oil consortium (including 6 American oil companies) to get out of Iran according to pressure by previous regime of Iran. 

There is ample amount of evidence even in declassified documents of US government to give you a clear picture on that. The article that you posted is a very superficial story and is probably part of the funny game of democrats vs republicans and has no real substance. A similar article was published recently stating that Nixon and Ford had contributed to coming of Islamic regime in Iran and even that is not completely true! Let&#039;s just say, it was a &quot;bipartisan&quot; operation to bring a &quot;holy man&quot; for the sake of oil, in which CIA was just an empty shell to mislead observers while the real work was done by DIA and US Naval Intelligence organization!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typos, post # 15,</p>
<p>I am sorry but you are exactly on the same track as the other guy. The problem is that it was not Carter or General Huyser who helped in coming of Khomeini and establishment of Islamic regime in Iran. If you study declassified documents of CIA and state department, you could clearly see that Khomeini was a known figure since start of his appearance in Iran&#8217;s politics in 1963. Carter was no saint to wish a &#8220;holy man&#8221; to rule in Iran! This is all nonsense! The whole story was about oil because 1979 was the deadline for oil consortium (including 6 American oil companies) to get out of Iran according to pressure by previous regime of Iran. </p>
<p>There is ample amount of evidence even in declassified documents of US government to give you a clear picture on that. The article that you posted is a very superficial story and is probably part of the funny game of democrats vs republicans and has no real substance. A similar article was published recently stating that Nixon and Ford had contributed to coming of Islamic regime in Iran and even that is not completely true! Let&#8217;s just say, it was a &#8220;bipartisan&#8221; operation to bring a &#8220;holy man&#8221; for the sake of oil, in which CIA was just an empty shell to mislead observers while the real work was done by DIA and US Naval Intelligence organization!</p>
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		<title>By: typos_R_us</title>
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		<dc:creator>typos_R_us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 01:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry, Robo is basically correct, at least as far as his facts go.  Carter letting the Shah go was a SERIOUS mistake.  One reason he did that was because the CIA, which put the Shah in power, had a change of the guard and the new CIA types thought that the Shah was playing footsie with the Soviets and he needed to go.  Khomeni was thought to be a Ghandi like figure by Carter and the CIA mavens of that period.

http://www.thefinalmovebeyondiraq.com/2007/07/jimmy-carter-radical-islams-ally.html

The idea was to remove the Shah and replace him with some old monk type figure-head.  The US trained general were supposed to actually run things.  Like most CIA ops, it didn&#039;t quite work out that way.
Unlike Robo I don&#039;t think the US efforts in the Middle East reflect malice, just incompetence. Actual US meddling  in the Islamic crescent started long ago, shortly after the US created itself.  It got serious in 1942.  FDR considered WW2 as an excellent opportunity to end the European colonial system, which we did.  When the US landed in North Africa, the first thing they did was pass out million of copies of the Atlantic Charter, which was the US-UK agreement the UN was based on.  Basically it promised freedom to all the European colonies.  It fired up revolutionary types all across North Africa.  It led to Algeria getting rid of the French and Egypt tossing out the Brits.
That would have been good IF Truman ( the worst President EVER, worse then Peanut Carter) had followed up on it and provided the Arabs with some sort of Democratic government.
Truman was out manuvered by State and the Marshal type program to help the Arabs into Democracy was aborted.
Then came Ike and the Dulles boys took over.  
Things went downhill from there.  Current CIA and State bureaucrats are mostly pro-Arab.  The Usurper has no more chance of out maneuvering them then my 2 year old grandson does of hitting a Nolan Ryan fastball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry, Robo is basically correct, at least as far as his facts go.  Carter letting the Shah go was a SERIOUS mistake.  One reason he did that was because the CIA, which put the Shah in power, had a change of the guard and the new CIA types thought that the Shah was playing footsie with the Soviets and he needed to go.  Khomeni was thought to be a Ghandi like figure by Carter and the CIA mavens of that period.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thefinalmovebeyondiraq.com/2007/07/jimmy-carter-radical-islams-ally.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thefinalmovebeyondiraq.com/2007/07/jimmy-carter-radical-islams-ally.html</a></p>
<p>The idea was to remove the Shah and replace him with some old monk type figure-head.  The US trained general were supposed to actually run things.  Like most CIA ops, it didn&#8217;t quite work out that way.<br />
Unlike Robo I don&#8217;t think the US efforts in the Middle East reflect malice, just incompetence. Actual US meddling  in the Islamic crescent started long ago, shortly after the US created itself.  It got serious in 1942.  FDR considered WW2 as an excellent opportunity to end the European colonial system, which we did.  When the US landed in North Africa, the first thing they did was pass out million of copies of the Atlantic Charter, which was the US-UK agreement the UN was based on.  Basically it promised freedom to all the European colonies.  It fired up revolutionary types all across North Africa.  It led to Algeria getting rid of the French and Egypt tossing out the Brits.<br />
That would have been good IF Truman ( the worst President EVER, worse then Peanut Carter) had followed up on it and provided the Arabs with some sort of Democratic government.<br />
Truman was out manuvered by State and the Marshal type program to help the Arabs into Democracy was aborted.<br />
Then came Ike and the Dulles boys took over.<br />
Things went downhill from there.  Current CIA and State bureaucrats are mostly pro-Arab.  The Usurper has no more chance of out maneuvering them then my 2 year old grandson does of hitting a Nolan Ryan fastball.</p>
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		<title>By: NWMA</title>
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		<dc:creator>NWMA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 14:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>. Sk8 Punk:
 

Iranians are amazing people. Don’t confuse the Persians with others in the Islamic world. They really do want western style freedom. It’s just that no one in the west gives a dam

Not true, some of us love the Persian people and it&#039;s rich culture as we do any people that only want a better life through hard work. Ask anyone from Iran and they will tell you what makes America great is the opportunities. That&#039;s why obama is such a threat to our nation. He is a communist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>. Sk8 Punk:</p>
<p>Iranians are amazing people. Don’t confuse the Persians with others in the Islamic world. They really do want western style freedom. It’s just that no one in the west gives a dam</p>
<p>Not true, some of us love the Persian people and it&#8217;s rich culture as we do any people that only want a better life through hard work. Ask anyone from Iran and they will tell you what makes America great is the opportunities. That&#8217;s why obama is such a threat to our nation. He is a communist.</p>
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		<title>By: Robo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 12:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry, post #12

If you can explain this: 

http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=6300
 or: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2006/jan/05/energy.g2

and tell me what is the true reason that so called &quot;intelligence&quot; agency and highest authorities in US administration should do such things then I will give you all the explainations in this world! Have you ever wondered why representative of American administration told the former president of Pakistan that they would bomb Pakistan to stone age if they did not cooperate? Go read this in the book written by Parviz Musharaf, the former president of Pakistan. Conspiracy is not theory my friend and if everything is in such rosy harmony then good for you but remember that during the same period that Libya was &quot;enemy&quot; of United States, an official of US government and brother of President Carter (Billy was his name), spent time there and received money from Qadafi for whatever reason. This matter was even apparently investigated by some people in congress but did not go anywhere. I don&#039;t care about leftist conspiracy theories (whatever that means) but you can not close your eyes on many facts which are all around you and expect to have a clear view of everything! You need to do a little homework my friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry, post #12</p>
<p>If you can explain this: </p>
<p><a href="http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=6300" rel="nofollow">http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=6300</a><br />
 or: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2006/jan/05/energy.g2" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2006/jan/05/energy.g2</a></p>
<p>and tell me what is the true reason that so called &#8220;intelligence&#8221; agency and highest authorities in US administration should do such things then I will give you all the explainations in this world! Have you ever wondered why representative of American administration told the former president of Pakistan that they would bomb Pakistan to stone age if they did not cooperate? Go read this in the book written by Parviz Musharaf, the former president of Pakistan. Conspiracy is not theory my friend and if everything is in such rosy harmony then good for you but remember that during the same period that Libya was &#8220;enemy&#8221; of United States, an official of US government and brother of President Carter (Billy was his name), spent time there and received money from Qadafi for whatever reason. This matter was even apparently investigated by some people in congress but did not go anywhere. I don&#8217;t care about leftist conspiracy theories (whatever that means) but you can not close your eyes on many facts which are all around you and expect to have a clear view of everything! You need to do a little homework my friend.</p>
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		<title>By: harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 04:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Post 10 Robo:
Get help. Even the left couldn&#039;t make up  better conspiracy theories. Can you show some proof? Real proof, not opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Post 10 Robo:<br />
Get help. Even the left couldn&#8217;t make up  better conspiracy theories. Can you show some proof? Real proof, not opinion.</p>
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