Iran Just Shipped Missiles to Venezuela. Hello? Is This Thing On?
Recent revelations about hostile incursions into South America have raised alarm in those who care about U.S. interests and security, particularly in America’s hemisphere. They have also raised questions about whether the Monroe Doctrine — America will tolerate no hostile incursions in her own hemisphere — is dead. These revelations have been, for the most part, ignored by those who care little for American sovereignty and security, such as the MSM and apparently the Obama administration.
Among the two most alarming revelations is the already completed sale and delivery, to Venezuela by Russia, of nearly 2,000 advanced, shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles capable of hitting aircraft as high as 19,000 feet. Equally and perhaps more alarming is an October agreement between Iran and Venezuela. The agreement establishes a joint ground-to-ground missile base on Venezuelan soil and calls for the sharing of missile technology and the training of technicians and officers. In addition, Venezuela may use the missiles as it chooses for “national needs” and in case of “emergency.” Several types of missiles will be deployed, giving Venezuela the ability to strike targets throughout South and Central America and throughout the U.S.
The dangers arising from the Marxist, cult-of-personality rule of Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez are many. These weapons are only the largest and most destructive purchased or finagled by Chavez. He has also purchased an enormous number of Russian assault rifles — the real thing, fully automatic military rifles, not the non-existent “assault weapons” of gun control imaginations and press releases — and related weapons and ammunition.
Keep in mind that these are only the sales and transfers about which American authorities and the public are aware.
With these weapons, Chavez can dominate the region. The consequences for U.S. and hemispheric security should be obvious to those who care about such things, but again, seem to entirely escape the Obama administration. But there are more direct, immediate threats.
Several pundits have suggested that Venezuela’s shoulder-fired ground-to-air missiles might be carried into the U.S. if they were broken down into smaller pieces. Nonsense. Such weapons are self-contained and come complete with their own hardy, weatherproof hard cases which are easily small enough to be smuggled across the southern border without further disassembly. Anyone familiar with the vast size and wildly varied terrain of our southern border, compared to the small number of Border Patrol officers assigned to guard it, understands that smuggling anything across the border, including entire vehicles and thousands of people, is in many places merely a matter of walking across. Many are unaware that environmental regulations prevent the Border Patrol from doing what they are charged to do — patrol — in large areas. Also little known is the federal land grab the Democrats hope to sneak into law in the current lame-duck session of Congress that would greatly increase the number and acreage of federal lands and related environmental restrictions, making even more of the border region off limits to the Border Patrol — but certainly not to terrorists, drug smugglers, and illegal aliens.
So out of control is the border that in some areas of Arizona, the federal government has posted signs advising Americans that drug cartels and human smugglers have taken control, warning that they should stay out for their own safety. To date, the Obama administration’s primary response, apart from surrendering control of American territory, has been to sue Arizona for daring to try to protect its citizens by passing a law that mirrors federal law. A few hundred troops have been sent here and a few hundred there, but these troops are not armed for battle and empowered to capture those who would harm us.
It must be assumed as fact that Chavez is not only able but more than willing to equip terrorists and drug cartels, organizations with whom he has long-standing relationships, with weapons including shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles. His agreements with and public embrace of Iran, the single most active state sponsor of terrorism already responsible for the loss of an untold number of American lives, leaves no room for doubt. It would be surprising if such weapons, accompanied by terrorists, were not already on American soil.
The price for Obamas betrayals are the chickens coming home to roost.
On April 4, 2009 in his speech in Cairo, President Obama said, ” No single nation should pick and choose which nations hold nuclear weapons”.
That statement reversed more than sixty years of of American policy regarding nuclear proliferation. America had abandoned its role as the worlds nuclear policeman. Obamas failure to deal with Iran and his failure ( or was it deliberate? ) to appreciate Americas role in containing nuclear proliferation has had unintended ( or intended? ) consequences that endanger every American. Who was consulted before he made that statement? Military? Intelligence? Congress? No, no and no.
Then on April 22, 2010 in an article entitled, ” Mideast nuclear drive picks up speed “, UPI reports that Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman, Jordan, Egypt and Lybia have all announced new nuclear initiatives since Obamas Cairo speech. So fast. Almost as if they knew in advance what the Obama speech contained. Now we see the result of inept ( or deliberately failed? ) foreign policy. More nuclear material in the hands of those that hate America.
Israel has had The Bomb since 1961 and the Arab regimes in the Middle East understood Israels value as a nuclear deterrent , Obama did not. Or did he?
Obama has emasculated the military. He has cut off the hands of Americas military. He has blinded Americas military.
Gen. George Keegan, the former head of U.S. Air Force Intelligence, “The ability of the U.S. Air Force in particular, and the Army in general, to defend whatever position it has in NATO owes more to the Israeli intelligence input than it does to any single source of intelligence.”
Now regimes intent on Americas destruction have placed missiles within striking distance of American cities.
What will it take to wake up America? Have the cries and screams of the fallen on September 11 faded so fast?
I cry and pray for the land of my birth. WAKE UP AMERICA!
OMG, OMG, OMG, we a president with his thumb up hsi ass and this is allowed. What a freaking puto. Man, this guy is true LEVA to my country.
There are missiles, and then there are missiles. It wasn’t the missiles that put the “crisis” in the “cuban missile crisis”. It was the things that went on top of them.
Venezuela can declare war on the US any time it wants. And it will lose. So nothing’s really changed.
As for the shahabs and scuds … all of the articles on teh webs about that deal refer back to a single november article in Die Welt. I haven’t seen a single independent verification of that claim. Maybe THAT’S why the MSM isn’t following it … because nobody can verify it. Just a thought.
No, the reason the MSM isn’t covering this is because it doesn’t interest them or further their socialist agenda. The MSM is far far more interested in the so-important repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.” As one idiot Moon Bat said on MSM Tues., “now our brave young men and women don’t have anything to fear.” In a time of war, an enemy that tortures and beheads, terror threats, nuclear build-ups, etc. etc. it is comforting to know that the real enemy–heterosexual American soldiers–will no longer be able to scare homosexual soldiers. Whew.
Why scrutinize Venezuela, Russia, Iran, North Korea? They couldn’t possibly be as much of a danger to us as we are to ourselves.
“No, the reason the MSM isn’t covering this is because it doesn’t interest them or further their socialist agenda.”
Well, as far as I can see even Fox is caught up in furthering this socialist agenda. There is very little on their web site about this Die Welt claim – and as far as I can see, the only mentions are from people like dick morris. Fox itself is not standing by this story.
“The MSM is far far more interested in the so-important repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.””
I honestly don’t understand why it was ever an issue in the first place.
“Why scrutinize Venezuela, Russia, Iran, North Korea? They couldn’t possibly be as much of a danger to us as we are to ourselves.”
Why? Because DADT was overturned? Get a grip.
To seemingly dismiss the overturning of DADT as a non-event is to demonstrate your lack of knowledge regarding the American military. It will soon be very apparent that this action was among the worst things that could have happened to our country. Perhaps the most telling thing about this vote by congress was that it was accomplished by those with no military background and no idea how it will affect unit cohesion (nor, for that matter, any demonstration that they even are aware of such a thing as unit cohesion).
I can foresee hundreds, if not thousands, of phony charges being brought against officers and NCOs for ‘discrimination’ and ‘favoritism’, not to mention sexual harassment, in the very near future.
And, as we have seen over and over again, year after year, this group loves to stick their deviant lifestyle in your face at every opportunity. I can only imagine what it is going to be like when they hold their first Gay Pride Parade at, say, Ft. Bragg or Camp Penalton; that will really put things in perspective.
This administration is truly sick and deranged!
The Obama mouthpieces in the MFM have already gone on the record for wanting a 9/11 type event to unite the American people behind the Administration. This situation presents a good opportunity for such an event to occur, all Obama has to do is sit on his hands.
Matthew:
You and people like you are why this country is in big trouble. Apparently nothing happens unless it affects you directly in your personal life.
Just to clarify – it’s not Venezuela that would declare war on the USA it’s the people selling those missiles who have ALREADY done so. Iran merely wants Chavez to make a loud noise to distract the USA while it meddles with nukes in the mideast.
So start thinking about the real world.
‘Matthew: You and people like you are why this country is in big trouble…’
Nope. Not according to Matthew. Matthew claims to have lived in Australia all his life except for travel. This claim gives him, in his mind anyway, the delusional advantage of being able to in turn claim that he is no partisan, but rather the voice of non-aligned dispassionate reason pointing out the misunderstanding of the author and commenters. The second claim is a very common trolling technique.
Now, it would certainly appear to the most casual observer, based on the frequency and nature of his comments, that Matthew acts as a kneejerk defender of everything the current administration does and this would belie his claims. His frequent use of the term ‘we’ when talking about issues that affect only the US would also seem to belie his claims. I think he’s nothing but a fabulist myself.
Be that as it may, the most accomplished of liars will always trip up eventually, but if one were to accept his claim to be an Aussie, two obvious questions arise.
Why is he bothering to opinionate about the article’s subject matter – matters of US national security that do not directly or arguably even indirectly affect Australia. Secondly, and more importantly, why should we care what an Aussie thinks about it or for that matter take his admonitions about our concerns as anything other than arrogant and ignorant nonsense.
JPT:
For pete’s sake. You’re becoming unhinged. My uses of the word “we” are motivated by the fact that the US and Australia are Allies (and the use of the capital is justified). Where you go, we go. If you screw up, we pay as well. You, us, the UK, canada etc – we’re collectively known as “the west”, aka “the good guys”. So settle down, take off the foil hat, maybe get some sleep and stop poring over my posts with a highlighter and magnifying glass – you really can take them at face value, and I’m not lying about anything.
Maybe you’d like to engage with the factual or logical basis of what I’ve posted. Rather than trying to find ways to convince people that they shouldn’t talk to me, that is. If all you’ve got is “don’t talk to him – he’s nasty”, then maybe you shouldn’t bother.
Unhinged? Nope. Told you in the other thread. I just don’t like fabulists. You pop up defensively in every thread that there’s a hint of criticism of Obama directly, or indirectly by criticism of his administration. You trip yourself up a lot more than you realize.
And once again, why should any of the readers of this thread give a hoot about the opinion and admonishments of an Australian when it comes to concerns about US security. Or accept your belittling that concern.
“Unhinged? Nope.”
I’d say so, yes. You seem to have no interesting in actually debating the merits of anything I post. I suspect it’s because you can’t. So you cook up a reason why it’s unfair, why you shouldn’t have to. You ignore the ball and complain to the ref that you don’t like my shoes.
“Told you in the other thread. I just don’t like fabulists.”
Good for you. Let me know if you find one.
“You pop up defensively in every thread that there’s a hint of criticism of Obama …”
That’s EVERY THREAD, you goose. Every single thread on this site attacks liberals, or people/places you think are aligned with liberals, or liberal policies … and therefore, indirectly, criticizing the current liberal administration. If you can point out a single thread which doesn’t meet your definition of “defending obama, directly or indirectly” then I’ll go take a look at it.
If any thread was unrelated to the current administration, it’d surely be this one.
“You trip yourself up a lot more than you realize.”
Yeah, well, you might have a chance of tripping up if you put in the effort to post an actual argument.
“And once again, why should any of the readers of this thread give a hoot about the opinion and admonishments of an Australian”
No idea. Ask them. In the meantime, I am happy to point out that the claim about the scuds and shahabs remains all but gossip, with only a single newspaper anywhere in the world (and a german one – i.e. “not american”) claiming to have seen material to substantiate it. And I’m happy to point out that a bunch of scuds with whatever chavez manages to bolt on top of them just isn’t a scratch on the cuban missile crisis. Those missiles couldn’t be shot to pieces in mid-flight (at least not in the 60′s) and when they hit, they did a bit more than level somebody’s house.
For a bunch of steely-eyed neocons, you guys sure scare easy. ACK! LOOK OUT! IT’S A SPIDER! QUICK – NUKE PERU!
“IRAN, RUSSIA Ship Missiles to VENEZUELA. Obama Mum, Dems Play Dumb, GOP Sucks Thumb.”
ATTN: OBAMA…EVERYONE IS GETTING BOMBS, YOU DO KNOW WHAT A BOMB LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT IT CAN DO? SO MY QUESTION IS THIS…WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU THINKING WHEN YOU SIGNED ON WITH RUSSIA! NOW, DO YOU REALLY THINK RUSSIA WILL GET RID OF THEIR BOMBS…BUT THEN YOU CAN GIVE A SH%$?
Venezuela is building a neclear reactor and America has nothing to say. See Reuters http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69E4KI20101015
So it’s clear why the missiles should be of concern.
Russia has no interest in seeing another cold-war standoff. They have as much to lose as anyone else. The last one sent-them broke, and they know that if the balloon goes up anywhere, they’re at risk of a pre-emptive strike.
Putin isn’t stupid. As creepy and thuggish as he might be, he’s no idiot. Venezuela isn’t going to be getting any warheads from any russian reactors, and I suggest that obama and the state department are talking to the russians and know that.
I love the way you are setting safely out of range of the missiles and are telling us not to worry, Putin won’t let Venezuela get nuclear warheads. That is an opinion, not a fact! And a rather naive one at that, Putin has a lot to gain by the US being weakened, and if we are gravely damaged by a nut bucket like Chavez using nukes on us so much the better. And don’t bother telling me that we would launch on Russia, the odds are we wouldn’t, we would launch on Venezuela but not Russia, not China and possibly not Iran. Learn more about the way things really work before you start telling people not to worry about what an ambitious wanna be Czar will or won’t do.
“I love the way you are setting safely out of range of the missiles and are telling us not to worry”
Nobody is out of the range of a nuclear blow-up. Keep in mind we host some of your radar systems, we have a couple of critical southern ports and we have air power that can project over southern asia. We’re a target. That’s why I’d like you guys not to screw up.
“Putin won’t let Venezuela get nuclear warheads. That is an opinion, not a fact!”
It’s only an opinion that there are even any missiles on their way to venezuela.
“Putin has a lot to gain by the US being weakened”
Not at all. Russia just isn’t in the position to be expanding, and it’s just as worried about china (et al) as the rest of the world is. I don’t think russia wants to see the US destabilized.
“and if we are gravely damaged by a nut bucket like Chavez”
Any why would chavez do that? He’d be a dead man within hours – probably at the hands of his own people. What possible motive would he have for destroying his own regime, getting himself killed and seeing his country blown to bits?
“using nukes on us so much the better. And don’t bother telling me that we would launch on Russia, the odds are we wouldn’t”
You’d be amazed how complicated things could get if the balloon goes up
“Learn more about the way things really work”
Hmm.
Matthew,
I’m giving you a superhero nick name..
The Trivializer
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The world is being set up to go to war again.. America is being weakened to invite attacks.. The Government Structure has been set up for perpetual total war..
It’s not like it’s never happened before..
btw.. have fun with those boat people coming to colonize your continent.
Van Grungy
“I’m giving you a superhero nick name.. The Trivializer”
Do I get a costume with a ‘T’ on it?
“The world is being set up to go to war again.. America is being weakened to invite attacks.. The Government Structure has been set up for perpetual total war..”
You really have drunk the kool-aid, haven’t you? How do you get by, believing that the sky is falling every single day of your life? The past is different, of course. Yesterday you were brave, things were good, reagan/bush/bush kept you safe. It’s only TODAY that everything’s going to hell. Right? Of course, tomorrow it’ll be different.
You guys aren’t conservatives. You’re something else. You convince yourselves that you’re under perpetual threat, and whether or not you can prove it, the slightest possibility of risk means that the other 95% of the planet has to put up with you stomping around, telling everyone how it’s going to be and threatening them. The rest of the world wonders what you’ve been smoking and why you have be in their face all the time.
For god’s sake, stop watching fox. Read some history books. Pick up a copy of kenneth waltz’ two books. Understand that yes, there ARE bears in the woods, but you don’t have to kill all of the bears before you can feel safe.
“btw.. have fun with those boat people coming to colonize your continent.”
Ark! You’ve got me! Dying … dyyying …
me either…where do they get their info? sent to me by my nephew…eb
Crotch bombers and 911 whack-job enablers UNITE!
Merry fuc*ing Jihadmas!
This is what happens when you have a weak president. It is ironic that the Soviet Union placed missiles in Cuba when they perceived Kennedy to be weak and inexperienced. Although Kennedy won the Cuban Missile Crisis, it brought the world extremely close to an all-out nuclear war. Do we really want to go through something like that again? This is always, always, the result of an American leader looking weak. Nobody would have tried this stunt with Ronald Reagan in power. In fact, Reagan invaded tiny little Grenada because he objected to Cuban troops there. No THAT sent a message to Castro not to mess around with the United States. Obama is going to need to show he has some stones, and soon, or else Chavez is going to keep pushing the edge of the envelope to grab even more power in South America. Displays of weakness are never a good thing in international power politics and Obama seems to be doing nothing to discourage tin-pot dictators like Chavez.
Not so sure JFK “won” the Cuban stand-off.
The missiles went away and we didn’t have WW3… how is that not a win? Sure, we had to promise never to invade Cuba (which admittedly did strengthen Castro’s position) and we had to dismantle some missiles in Italy and Turkey, but on balance it seems like a fairly successful defense of the Western Hemisphere to me. We even managed to embarrass Khrushchev before his Politburo, and strained Cuban-Soviet relations for years to come. Maybe LeMay wasn’t a fan, but he appears to have been in a very small minority.
They threaten to attack us and we respond by disarming. Thats a “successful defense”? Reagan won that one by breaking them economically; just as we are even now, breaking ourselves, economically, so Oscambo’s commie pals can take us over.
Kennedys’ duplicity and cowardice, eg the Bay of Pigs as well as the Missile Crisis, will assure that bozo of a place in the deepest pits of Hell.
A weak president, for sure. And a weak congress. And an entrenched, weak state department. And for a long, long time.
Obama is not a man. A metrosexual, yes. A puppet being used to destroy America, yes. A self-serving, butt-kissing, bowing weenie to despots and tyrants yet…..but a man? I think not.
What exactly, makes you think Obama and his cronies are opposed to Chavez’s domination of his neighborhood, and the threat he poses to American interests? Nothing they have done in the arena of foreign policy suggests they are at all concerned about American security interests except their aggressive targeting of the jihadis in Pakistan.
We, in Honduras, have been shouting from the roof tops that obama is a clone of chavez. If you want to know what obama’s next move is,check chavez last move to destroy freedom in his country. Why did obama attempt to give Honduras to chavez last year? Only the protection of God kept it from happening. Hugo and obama wanted to move Venezuela’s military to Central America within more easily striking distace of U. S. cities. It was a done deal until the brave people, the courts, the National Congress, and the Honduras military united to stop it. I wish i could say the same for people, courts, congres, and military in the United States.
A good question-what does hugo have on obama?
Viva Honduras!!!
God pity the United States!!!
It will be hard for Obama to show he has some stones when he in fact does not have any. That is the underlying problem.
Palin pegged him right.
Oscumbag is not weak; not stupid; but EVIL!
And he is not alone. The GOPers who signed on to the START treason are just as rotten as he is- maybe more. That whole bunch belongs in prison for the foreseeable future.
Russia didn’t put “missiles” in cuba – they put NUCLEAR missiles.
I still haven’t seen an independent report that verifies that venezuela is even doing it. Evidence, guys. It’s not like they can do this in secret – I was able to find syria’s nuclear facility (the one israel destroyed a couple of years back) on google maps. Nothing’s secret any more.
The US has been destroying scuds in mid-air for at least 20 years. Remember gulf war one? The patriot missiles? (they had to be rebooted now and then, but I’m sure they’ve fixed that). I’m sure taking out a shahab is no challenge. These things might be a bit scary, and probably an actual danger to south american countries, but they’re really not a serious threat to the US.
This isn’t the cuban missile crisis. It isn’t even close. Venezuela is getting some rockets that were out of date in the 90′s, and he sure as heck doesn’t have any nasty bombs to put on the tops of them.
You are sure of a lot yet you really don’t know, Obama has promised to defend the missile defense system and has stopped all research into increasing its dependability.
That should read defund the missile defense system. Sorry.
“You are sure of a lot yet you really don’t know,”
That’s ironic, considering what you wrote next:
“Obama has promised to defund the missile defense system and has stopped all research into increasing its dependability.”
You don’t NEED the “missile defense system” to shoot down scuds. You really don’t. As for the shahab’s – so the US deploys some batteries of israeli Arrow ABM rockets in cuba. You’ve paid for the development, so you might as well use them.
Right on libertyship, obama thought that by bowing he can make friends with thugs. He really believes that bowing and talking nice and juicy would change the minds of hardened thugs, what a moron. If I went to a levas neighborhood bowing and talking nice I be dead in seconds. Sometimes, thugs understand only the use of force. Pussies and wusses are eaten up alive in my crazy neighborhood. Our president needs to grow some balls. Maybe his ruka has his balls somewhere hidden, I don’t know but that ruka better give it back because we need a real leader with cojones right now.
” I will make a lot of peace in the middle east ”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhNOWVuSXGE
The people of Iran have not been involved in the decision to waste their money to send weapons to Venezuela. It is then important to respect that and not use the words “Iran” or “Iranian” in association with the activities of the Islamic regime.
It’s this kind of over-sensitive hair splitting that weakens us.
Our sympathies and support are with the Iranian people who are fighting, at the risk of their lives, against the depots who rule over them.
The Venezulan people did not receive the missiles either. Thus the word Venuzula should not be used in this article either! So we have people sending missiles to other people. That sure helps the discussion doesn’t it? No it doesn’t.
When the Iranian government sends the missiles it is Iran that is sending them, during WWII the majority of Germans didn’t want to fight the war. That didn’t stop us from saying we were fighting Germany. Grow up.
Iranian Hizbullah sleeper cells have been burrowed within every American major city-and some not so major-for years.This is a FACT.
So, in effect, between Hizbullah agents in place to strike, and the new weaponry which will be smuggled across the TOTALLY porous borders, it is a guarantee that Hizbullah will be the recipient of this lethal inventory.
Obama and his huggy poo Chavez are on the same page.NO doubt about it.
Wikileaks just proved your last statement to be true.
Good to know that I am usually in the know…..the just reward of keeping my ears glued to the (realistic)ground.
Link?
there must be a case of treason by the POTUS in there.
Unfortunately, bad foreign policy is not an impeachable offense.
Though one serious terror incident with Venezuelan fingerprints on it (i.e., captured Venezuelan shooters) and I suspect Congress will forget detail.
Incompetence of this scale is truly shocking.
A strong argument can be made that most of Obama’s (and Congress, SCOTUS, other federal judges, czars, etc) destructive military, economic, regulatory and social policies that are plainly against the will of the people and clearly damaging to the nation, are, in fact, impeachable offenses and some may even constitute treason against the USA (giving aid and comfort to enemies? levying war against the US?).
The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
–U.S. Constitution, Article 2, Section 4
The term “misdemeanors” literally means “bad behavior.” It did when the Constitution was written, and it was included to make sure unforeseeable problems with officials could be addressed. Then there is the offense of bribery…can anyone honestly say Obama has not offered or accepted bribes? Every one of our elected officials has, if they have exchanged anything of value (LAWS, favorable regulations, etc) for anything else of value (campaign donations and support).
It isn’t a lack of authority or evidence that prevents Obama’s impeachment, or the removal of any corrupt officials. It is a lack of political courage. The key problem is that the common people, voters, do not have any means of direct action against these people. They hold all the enforcement cards. We are literally unrepresented in this.
Do you really think the Dems in the Senate will go along with a vote to remove him from office, I don’t.
North Korea, Venezuela, and Iran, three of the most destabilizing nations on the planet need to be put on notice that if there is an attack on the US or an ally that involves missiles, weapons of mass destruction, or shoulder fired anti aircraft technology we will apply a “strict liability” standard to such conduct and immediately attack all three nations with the express purpose of decapitating the rulers and inflicting as much punishment as possible on any enableing supporters. We should explicitly reserve the right to employ any weapon in the US arsenal to achieve the end of these undesirable regimes. Their proxies, such as Hezbullah and Syria should be put on notice that they will be targeted as well. There will be no consultation with the UN or investigation of who actually attacked, they will all be deemed to be the aggressors and will be attacked with the express purpose of decapitation and to inflict the maximum possible damage on any agent that offers support or refuge.
That should give them something to think about very carefully. We have been playing the game with one hand tied behind our back for way, way too long.
I’m Obama and his team will make these threats/promises. Otherwise said, yeah, that’ll happen.
Polly,
I am under no illusion that Obama and Clinton, while supportive of an ally, are capable of such direct and belicose communication. I merely state that such a message is required. I doubt our President has the comprehension to understand the importance of its delivery, and the backbone to deliver it via a proxy.
We need to dispense with the notion that this fellow is the smartest guy in the room. He isn’t, and he lacks the testicular fortitude to send the message that is required and then back it up.
Isn’t that a weakness of the Kenyan’s START treaty? START presumes a conflict between the two major nuclear powers. What if the conflict is between the US and several nuclear powers, confederated or not?
As long as none of those powers is Russia, it doesn’t really matter, because America’s nuclear arsenal is vastly superior to any other nation’s, save for Russia.
Not if Obama has his way, he wants to unilaterally disarm the US, he thinks our nuclear weapons are the reason for all the problems in the world.
All part of the Obama plan to destroy America, every possible way.
Although I think it unlikely that Obama is that insane, it is certainly something to ponder. He spent his formative years outside the 56 states, spending part of that time in Indonesia and our 57th state. Obama has no roots in America physically and especially intellectually.
President Obama has no love for the original Constitution and no respect for the present amended one. Obama’s 2 decades in a “God damn America” church inspired by the vile Jim Cone shows where Obama’s heart is. One can easily imagine a scenario where Obama really wouldn’t mind wrecking the European element of America in the way this colonialist and imperialist nation in his eyes devastated Africa – again, in his eyes. I say that because there is no sense of African-Americans catering to the idea that it was other Africans who enabled the slave trade; the blame is firmly on white folks.
I dislike it when people compare American politicians to Hitler; neither Bush or Obama are Hitlers, not in any way, shape or form. However we should keep in mind that Austrian Hitler and Georgian Stalin wrecked those countries they became leaders of as those nations were situated before those 2 demons came to power. President Obama has no traditions or nostalgic views of America, only a fantasy of a less white America. One need only read black mainstream websites to see how people of color gloat over a minority white scenario come 2050 to see the mindset. One need only remember Obama’s “change”, a hopeful word to white liberals and non-whites and a veiled threat to other European Americans who Obama likely views as guilty by skin color and sentenced to dissolution, all the while denying the same philosophy of guilt by skin color if one has the correct skin.
To President Obama, it is a the enemy of my enemy is my friend. However much Obama despises Chavez or Iran, he far more despises his own country because with him, this is personal.
It’s the Caracas Shakedown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YuMabRjILQ
wish we had a missle defence system in place…one day we’re sure gonna need it
Jesus, and meanwhile we have a president who can’t even handle his own press conference.
Dont worry. By the end of 2011, there will be no missiles in Venezuela. Those missiles will be , 100% sure, disabled by lack of maintenance. Exploded( Venezuela had an amphibious car that sunk in a lake during a parade). Sold( yes, you must worry about the missiles finishing in Colombia on Farc hands).
Chávez is a certified coward. The February the fourth 1992 ,coup d Etat was successful in Maracaibo ( oil production center, 50% of the total ), Valencia ( major industrial city) , Maracay, main air base. It had popular , press and elites ( the Notables , the not able to do anything that passed for wise people).A group of conscripted poor kids were ,under false pretenses, made to bomb Muaraflores ( Presidential Palace) and La Casona ( where the First Lady , a real one , lived- she helped Chavez to keep his post when failed his Major State exam). Carlos Perez , the POV ran to a tv station to address the people aided by the main opposition leader. To no avail, nobody supported him but still the coup failed , Why ? Chavez had problems with his bowels and was unable to order the final attack. He surrended himself and someone who must read Marshall mac Luhan allowed him to addrees the other conspirators by TV and not radio. Her became JFK . In 1999, when the referendum for the constitution was in process it began to rain. There were a flood that killed an until today unknown number( 25k to 500k). Where was Chavez , hidden , He ran to Cuba and only 3 days after he reappeared.
2002, there was a demonstration, 1.000.000 people showed up. And Chavez supporters fired on them, He ordered plan Avila. To fire on the unarmed mass, mostly women and young people. The military refused and asked him to resign, he did .He called two bishop, he called them demons in disguise in a previous allocution , he cried for his life ( He needed new underwear again). Every one who saw him cry is in jail or exile. But he not bit a coward. When Clinton received him , the previous day he had vowels problems). When the King of Spain shouted his mouth , he yellowed. He almost pass away. Alvaro Uribe told him to man up when Chavez ran when confronted with the fact that he suports farc.
Perhaps Rice and Bush missed a chance to show the real Chavez. Rice o0nly need to walk in front of him to make him faint. So dont worry about him , he is only a bully. He is destroying Venezuela and became a full blown disctator, but once and again has step back when someone is enough man or women to stand in front of him
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The danger of these MANPADS systems being used on commercial airliners isn’t the real danger. One attack like that and Iran and Venezuela both get the Afghanistan March 2001 treatment, and they know it. The danger is that these systems will be sold to the cartels, and they will start using them on the UAVs that we are planning to rely on at the border, to smuggle in even more contraband.
jcm,
This is not comforting.
There is nothing more frightening and dangerous than a terrified coward with a big gun.
Regards,
Ric
Nothing is as important as repeal of DADT. The media and the left, as well as some Republicans, realize where our real priorities are. ????
A sufficient number of terrorists could simply slip across our southern border and drive to their assigned points of attack.
I’ve said this before but this is nonsense. Just because the border is chaotic and out of control on the American side doesn’t mean it is chaotic and uncontrolled on the Mexican side. In fact, it is just the opposite. All of the “criminal” activity on the Mexican side from human trafficking to drug running is carefully managed by one or more patronage networks of the type that regulate every facet of life in Mexico. There are no lone wolves in Mexico. Nobody moves through Mexico without several different patronage networks knowing about it.
The only reason the border is porous is because everyone in Mexico wants it to be. From the poorest peon to the richest oligarch to the most brutal drug lord, they all depend on the border with the US being as open as possible. It just produces to much money and opportunity for Mexico, end of story.
Likewise, every single person in Mexico knows that if a successful terrorist attack is carried out by people passing through Mexico, the US will militarize the border and turn off the money spigot. Everyone in Mexico peon, oligarch, or drug lord is constantly on the lookout for suspicious foreigners.
Any terrorist who tried to get smuggled across the border would end up in a shallow grave or melted in lye.
As evidence of this, I would point out that in the last 15 years around 30 terrorist have been caught after transiting through Canada but zero have been caught coming up through Mexico. In the end, Mexican self-interest, traditional social structure and “lawlessness” better protect the border than does a lot of politically correct Canadians.
Your title says that Iran has shipped missles, yet I can’t find any mention of how many and what type of missles were delivered. Can you cite your source?
I am absolutely shocked by this column.
The new Congress must raise hell about all this.
Remember the picture of Obama hugging Chavez…
Let’s pray.
Let’s also remember the picture of Obama cupping his balls during the Star Spangled Banner.
Having spent 2 years in the region, this is my two cents. Venezuela cannot dominate that region. Brazil is the big guy in the sand box. Venezuela cannot threaten the U.S. What Iran and Venezuela would hope to accomplish by saber rattling is unclear but we should let the focus of hostility in that region concentrate on what Chavez does and not react to it; let these 2 polities take the heat. If Chavez fears Columbia going to war with Venezuela on some pretext as a proxy of the U.S. then let him spend money while murder, kidnapping and poverty envelope Caracas.
American sovereignty does not extend south of our border and if it did we should concentrate on shutting down the pipeline for illegal immigrants through Mexico which is a much greater threat to our way of life than anything Chavez is doing; if we weren’t such morons on this issue we wouldn’t have to worry about missiles coming over the U.S. border. It is our blithe policies towards illegals and such foolishness as the DREAM Act that encourage the pipeline and make it exist. There is no scenario where France will try and put an emperor on the throne of Mexico so the Marshall Plan is indeed dead; just ask Brazil. You can only have muslims and Latino criminals lost in a crowd if there are crowds of muslims and Latinos. That Pandora’s Box is already open.
You don’t have to stop people at the border if they have no where to exist in the U.S. since the logistics of guarding a land border so large is impossible. In the past there were no people crossing the border because of our internal policies which made the idea of sneaking into a life in the U.S. improbable for most Latinos.
Now, with welfare, Constitutional rights for illegals, anchor babies, free emergency care and a host of other enablers, we ourselves put the U.S. at risk and there will be hell to pay. The least harmful scenario are the equivalent of shanty towns which already exist in California and the worst case is a dirty nuclear bomb detonated in an American city. It is pitiful that we will have to irradiate ourselves before we wake up to our own foolishness.
Chavez is not a threat – the threat here is having him as just another far away distraction while the real threat comes into our cities every day and in their thousands. With Chavez and Iran, we are fools playing a fools game. I fear for the future of this country because for the U.S. to survive as a culture, there is only the revisiting decades old policies of stopping immigration from certain areas of the world and in fact it is the exact opposite that is happening. The U.S. Constitution cannot survive in its present form with ivory tower judges so far physically and intellectually from American shanty towns. There is trouble on the horizon and the least of it is coming from Iran and Venezuela. Ignore them.
Venezuela on its own in not a huge threat, except to its own subjects and neighbors.
But Chavez is in bed with murderous narco-terrorists across the region.
And his friends and THEIR friends, if they receive the gift of new missiles, could be quite a threat to the entire hemisphere
US just sold Saudi Arabia $60billion in military equipment and god knows how much free stuff to Israel.
So question is why are we giving so much military aid to Saudis, knowing they are the main supporters of Al-Qeyda and Taliban in Afghanistan since mid 1970s.
And they have been funding Iraqi Sunni insurgents since GW invade Iraq.
Hypocrisy has its limits.
I’m publishing a list of CIA sites with GPS coordinates of ABC, CBS, and NPR facilities, in spanish. Merry Christmas Liberals!
Why are we worrying about missiles….?
We got gay rights in the military now…WOOHOO!!!
As I have said here and elsewhere several times over the past couple of decades, the real enemy is amongst us and until the socialist dragon is slain there will be no peace.
Watch the Yuri Bezmenov tapes on U tube and keep in mind he said this 30 years ago. Scary.
“A massive security threat just blossomed, and you’d be hard-pressed to find an MSM or administration official who cares.”
Well,they aren’t the only ones. Even after bringing this matter to the attention of both my RINO Senators on Monday, they still voted for the START treaty.
I hope they enjoy the rest of their last term.
No one will pay attention until it directly concerns them..i.e., welfare cut off, social security cut off, pensions cut off. In a socialists environment, the MSM will be the first to suffer. However, until people are directly effected…they will not pay attention. In America our values and morals have been twisted to the point that anything goes… I needs to stop, but how do we do that. We are a complacent lot ripe for the picking.
So many years of electing the same people to represent us has taken a toll. Obama is the ultimate “bomb” dropped on America.
Who exactly is Chavez going to use these shoulder-fired ground to air missiles against? He’s having trouble feeding his own people.
Why doesn’t someone just KILL him?
Sorry Mike but your making a big deal out of nothing. Look, the “Anointed One” makes his chess move’s and us babbling humans need to realize that the unbelieving conspiracy “heathen” understate the issues when they say that Obama is a radical. Alas, they know not the secrets we are all going to witness. The “Anointed One” is amazing (and according to Biden: he’s so brillant), and takes the people at the highly efficient Post Office and sends them right over to the Student Loan Program. The “Anointed One” knows all. Twitter messages were machine-gunned to cell phones at mach speed. Facebook and MySpace groups spread across the Internet like digital fire. YouTube videos featuring celebrities ricocheted across the globe and into college students’ in-boxes with devastating regularity. All the while, the Obama mega-money-raising engine whirred on at high speed, until the result became inevitable: an unthinking mass of young voters marched forward to elect the “Anointed One.”
I am not surprised to hear these stinking lies about our “Anointed One,” it should be apparent to anyone that this was coming down the pike. I do have a couple questions about future process steps concerning these developments? When the “Annointed One” decides to start bar-coding everyone, will we get to decide if the mark is on our hand or forehead? Allot of people will prefer the hand, (especially women of course), unless your a porn actress or something along those lines. Also, my girlfriend was wondering if the Administration will be getting fashion advice from Hollyweird or the New York City crowd? We are both agree that the Administration “Maoies” as the “Anointed One ” so lovingly calls them,will be getting uniforms similar to the SS uniforms in Germany in WW2. With big letters abreviating “Barack’s Socialists.” So shall we start calling them the BS?
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MotherGoose,
I hope if a missile is fired, it makes a bulls eye for those that voted for this START Treaty. Now why would anyone with a sound mind vote for a Nuclear Arms Treaty negotiated by a a pathological liar/Taqiya practicing Muslim who was a community agitator before becoming a ineligible president?
These people are unbelievably ignorant.
The world gets smaller and more dangerous everyday, and our illustrous president bargains away our right to defend ourselves. What really bothers me is the so called centrist Republicans that helped him do this dirty deed.
Everybody I read in these comments who are pooh-poohing the missile threat make the same mistake, either from illiteracy (didn’t read teh article) or disingeneousness (for what purpose, you decide).
Look, it’s not the scuds, it’s not the big nuclear warheads, it’s not the big anything. It’s that your country just became Afghanistan, with stingers available behind any bush to take out airplanes. seen the security half a mile out from your local airport? could a jihadi with a stinger take down the 3:10 to Pittsburgh from there? you betcha!
The jihadi are here, now the stingers are just south of us, in enemy hands. sleep well.
You nailed it, Bill.
The Jihad is getting bolder and the zero administration twiddles its fiddles and sucks its thumb.
James May is right. Brazil is the dominant country in nearly aspects of S A.
I think Chavez is trying to pull a ‘Reagan/Star Wars’ move. Giving the impression of having ‘more’ than actually possessing, boasting of such fiction and see what the ‘other side’ will do.
This tactic toppled the USSR.
Though disgusted by the inaction and support thrown out to Honduras’s situation last year by this administration, I believe our ‘envoys’ and such to Russia should have an in-depth debriefing with their Russian counterpart to discuss this latest news. Fact or fiction.
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RE: Not at all. Russia just isn’t in the position to be expanding, and it’s just as worried about china (et al) as the rest of the world is. I don’t think russia wants to see the US destabilized.
That isn’t quite true. Russia is trying to expand its influence in most directions lately, India, Ukraine, Georgia, etc. China and Russia agreed not to accept U.S. dollars in their trade transactions so not sure they are any more paranoid about China than Wal-Mart shoppers.
we have a president who is a muslim sympathiser, who sees Chavez as a fellow traveler, and is adored by a lapdog press
ya gotta love it when a plan comes together
“HELLO IS THIS THING ON”? Only here in fly over country, but it seems as though they can’t find the on switch in DC. I think as a nation we are done and have gone to far to make our way back to anything that could even come close to the great nation we once were. But if history yet to happen proves me wrong, I’ll be a happy camper.
Russian missiles in Cuba keep coming up in this thread. The reasons behind their deployment to Cuba were totally different than the missiles claimed to have been sent to Venezuela.
The Russians (Soviets) had no solid fuel ICBMs at the time and they kept judging US by their standards and were paranoiac about us launching a first strike against them.
With liquid fuel only ICBMs their first wave response would only have been six or so missiles because you can’t leave a liquid fuelled missile ready-to-go on the launchpad.
But the Russians/Soviets DID have good solid-fuelled IRBMs (Intermediate Range Ballistic Missiles). Only by deploying them within strike range of the US could the Soviets balance up the glaring disparity between their and our nucler strike capabilities.
As for Stingers, no matter who had them they were no threat to US planes because their IFF module will not let them fire on US built aircraft.
I think Sarah Palin and the conservative republicans are more a threat than
Chavez and his missiles.
I think what most people are overlooking is the fact that Chavez is a pawn in the hand of Vladimir Putin. The military equipment that Chavez has received is not for him, because Venezuela is not being threatened by any of it’s neighbors. The weapons that he has received is for the Russian military. The Russians are preparing for a surprise nuclear attack on America before they invade.The Prophet Ezekiel wrote of this war over 2500 years ago in his scroll.
And the Word of the LORD came unto me, saying,Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,(Ezekiel 38:1,2)
Magog is a metaphor for the republics of the old USSR and Gog is a title for Vladimir Putin.
And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:(Ezekiel 38:3)
After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword.(Ezekiel 38:8)
The land brought back from the sword is a metaphor for the state of Israel.
Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time.(Ezekiel 38:10)
And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages.(Ezekiel 38:11)
The land of unwalled villages is a metaphor for the United States of America. This invading force comes up to the land of unwalled villages from the south. The country of Venezuela is south of America.
The sign that will let the world know that the attack on Israel,America and Nato is imminent is the destruction of the capitol of Syria in Isaiah chapter 17.
The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus will be taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.(Isaiah 17:1)
What’s the proposed schedule on the Venezuela ballistic missile deployment? I haven’t heard one yet.
The glorified past of the USA. Even now many american people would like blacks to be slaves and women to be second class citizens Along with that there is the US past history of toppling democracies, aiding autocrats for resouces of other countries.
Unfortunately just like the police cannot beat you in the modern days the world order is demanding US cannot do it anymore. There is a proper channel. Have to do all this in the utmost secret with the help of corporations.
Who wont do anything for millions!:)
I think Frank said it right at #40. I’m more concerned with Palin than Chavez at this point.
One of those shoulder-fired missile launchers and dozens of projectiles could easily be transported in one of those drug smuggling submarines I saw not long ago on the National Geographic channel. They are built, owned and operated by the Drug Cartels primarily in Mexico and other Central American countries. They could flat tear up a semi-trailer truck, a rail car, a utility sub station or just about anything else they are fired at. They could knock down Mil 24 helicopter gunships when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, there is no reason they could not be used against critical targets in this country.