Investigate Radical Christianity!
This became clear when he said: “I do not, not — N-O-T — oppose hearings on radicalization. I do oppose hearings that don’t focus on the entirety of radicalization. And if you agree that we have Christians, as has been mentioned by more than one member, Christians who become radicalized, they become part of Islam and they become radicalized as is being said, why not have a hearing on the radicalization of Christians?”
Green’s statement is fundamentally incoherent. “Christians who become radicalized” and “become part of Islam” are not Christians at all, but converts to Islam. Thus a hearing on the radicalization of Muslims, and possibly of converts to Islam, would be needed, not a hearing on the radicalization of Christians. Green himself made this clear, after a fashion, as he continued, digging himself an ever-deeper hole: “I do think that it is a problem of perception. People who see the hearings and never hear about the hearing on the radicalization of Christianity have to ask themselves, ‘Why is this missing?’ Why don’t we go to the next step and ask, how is that a blue-eyed, blonde-haired, white female in the United States of America can become radicalized to the point of wanting to do harm to this country? We don’t have that type of hearing. That’s the problem.”
Green was apparently referring to Colleen LaRose, aka “Jihad Jane,” a convert to Islam from Pennsylvania who plotted to murder a Swedish cartoonist, Lars Vilks, for drawing a cartoon of the Muslim prophet Muhammad. If LaRose had remained a Christian, of course, she never would have been moved to kill by a cartoon of Muhammad; her crime has nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with Islam. And so here again, the moral equivalence that Rosie O’Donnell stated baldly and that Green was apparently reaching for founders on the facts.
Yet Green soldiered on, concluding: “I do know what it feels like to look like a Muslim in the minds of some people and to be demeaned in a public venue. I look forward to the day that we’ll have that hearing that deals with the radicalization of Christians in America.”
So do I, in fact. Investigate radical Christianity! If such a hearing were held with any degree of honesty, it couldn’t help but shed light on the fact that Islam has a unique capacity to incite its adherents to violence today, in a way that neither Christianity nor any other religion shares. And that realization, contrary as it is to official government and media assumptions, could go a long way toward focusing law enforcement upon the real problem the nation faces today, instead of upon politically correct fictions. Much as that prospect may infuriate Congressman Al Green.
If I had a dog as dumb and ugly as Rosie, I would hve drowned it.
If your dog were as ugly and even just marginally smarter than Rosie it would drown itself.
Winston Churchill said something similar.
The woman said: Winston, if you were my husband, I would put poison in your whisky. Churchhill replied: Lady, if I were your husband, I would drink it. The man had a magnificent sense of irony.
…and if I had such a dog, I’d bribe the WH chef to serve it to Obumma!
Y’all need to leave dogs alone.
Arf! (Yes!)
”WHAT A BULL DOG”.
No chance. Ellen Degenerate would save it and marry it; but only if it was female.Could such an arrangement be called a “canine threesome”? Or, perhaps, “The unholy trinity”?
If ever there was a face made for sneering.
I would have given the dog to Rosie. Imagine the dog, Rosie, and a mirror. Good grief, I am getting dizzy just thinking about it.
After being assailed for years by the appearance and opinions of Rosie Odonnell, I have concluded that when she speaks, she is lying or is putting forth some extreme opinion that doesn’t hold up to reason or Bible Truth. I seems that her mind is so reprobate that she cannot discern truth for falsehood.
BTW Vladdi: The precentage of world population that is Islamic, is far more than 1 percent. Their number is more like one and one-half billion, or more, and they are reeling in many converts with the invitation of “Convert or be killed!” And if are not rooted and grounded in true Christian faith, you will probably convert!
She seems to have a very close rival in Congressman Green. The great state of Texas has managed to get rid of one of its stupider residents, but sadly, in a venue where he can do more harm.
To paraphrase Dean Wormer from Animal House, fat, dumb, and obnoxious is no way to go through life.
“….fat, dumb, and obnoxious is no way to go through life.”
Alas, she goes thru life living in a very upscale gated community, has a seven-figure income and multi-million dollar net worth, appears on various TV shows, holds the interest of major network anchors, sells books, etc.. She is brilliant at working the dimwitted just as is Nancy Pelosi. What is genuinely worrisome are the millions of morons that make people like them possible.
Had a conversation recently with a peer about how certain people equate monetary wealth with success. And, success with intelligence. Thus, wealth, success and intelligence means that they who have it should be listened to. We, of course dismiss this notion, having had the benefit of listening to people who are incredibly bright, but not very wealthy, yet content in their place in the world.
O’Donnell simply engages her mouth before her brain is in gear. Or, if she thinks at all, it’s all based on anger, hatred and her own self-loathing. People like here surround themselves with “yes-people” who feed their ego and replace their own feelings of inadequacy. Been going on for centuries. Nothing new. What is new is the all-too-cooperative media that allows them a conduit to communicate their ridiculous ideas and anger.
I’ve always wondered why they think they know everything. But when I hear her speak I just think, “Yup, another arrogant, obnoxious and ignorant new yorker”. She does a tremendous disservice to the good and kind people of that state but there are so many more just like her.
Yes. They pretend to imagine it’s their right to remain wrong.
Not very much wrote, but much said.
A point I’ve made many times is that the behavior of an individual may flow from his belief system, but it cannot alter or otherwise degrade the teachings of that system. Thus, while a Muslim planning or committing violent jihad is practicing Islam as its sacred scriptures dictate, an abortion clinic bomber who represents himself as a Christian is not practicing Christianity, as Christ never said one word that would command or sanction violence in service to His teachings.
Persons who claim otherwise aren’t failing to understand this; they’re evading it to continue on with their moral equivalence games. Most such persons actively hate Christianity, and should be regarded as “mad, bad, and dangerous to know.”
Very important point, and very true. Anyone with any knowledge of Christian teaching can point out to the abortion facility bombers precisely where the teachings of Jesus and the Scriptures condemn them. Anyone with any knowledge of the Koran or the Hadiths can point out where they support and enable the terrorists.
One of the problems with Islam is that dying in Jihad against the infidels is practically the only way that a believer is guaranteed paradise. I find it interesting that the Progressive MSM and politicians claim to know so much, but are completely unable to accept the fact that people who profess a faith may actually live according to the proclaimed tenets of that faith!
Yes, such Christ haters hate because they want to be the One in charge, so they can control others and live hedonistically.Selfishness is the name of their game. It can be infectious. Compounded with stupidity, stubborness and ignorance it can become the basis for the M.O. of the Sociopath,eg, Oscumbag.
Yes, and as importantly as scripture references condemning violent actions: while you can point to very many places in Islamic scriptures that would support an Islamic jihadist’s actions, you cannot find one single reference in Christian scriptures supporting an abortion clinic bomber. I say this because Muslims frequently point to “peaceful” references in Islamic scripture which appear to condemn violence. Jihadists ignore those peaceful references because they know better, which verses are obsolete and abrogated (the earlier peaceful ones), and which ones are not (the later, violent ones).
Yes, and as importantly as scripture references condemning violent actions: while you can point to very many places in Islamic scriptures that would support an Islamic jihadist’s actions, you cannot find one single reference in Christian scriptures supporting an abortion clinic bomber.
non sequitor. Plenty of passages in the old testament, say leviticus, where stoning of adulterous wives seems perfectly acceptable. The connection between religious belief and violence espoused by the believer’s holy book(s) is what’s being looked at.
Perhaps you were away that day in Sunday School where they go through the “whoever is without sin cast the first stone” story from the New Testament?
Note that Robert is (1) talking about Christianity and (2) in any case the Jews long ago repudiated wife beating. Muslims – even ‘modern, moderate’ ones – will not repudiate it, as it is central to the power structure of Islamic law.
Incorrect, you only focus on a generic category of “violence” without adding that there are many specific limitations to it in even Leviticus and Deuteronomy.
Moslem Jihad, on the other hand, condones ALL crimes, as long as they are against “unbelievers” – and one can even cause RANDOM violence, so long as one INTENDS to harm an infidel (even if one misses the infidels and kills some moslems, it’s still all good, because it’s the will of allah that those moslems be martyred by you and taken by allah into paradise). And deciding that nearby slacker moslems were really secret infidels is a good justification to commit any and all crimes against them, too!
In fact, here’s islam’s “holy Message from god” as exemplified by the collective words and deeds of it’s Founder:
“I will save humanity by lying to, extorting, torturing, robbing, burning out of their homes, kidnapping and ransoming, enslaving, raping and murdering everyone who even only verbally disagrees with me – and you can, too!”
-Muhammad-
So obviously, islam is ONLY an ancient, ongoing extortion-racket CRIME-syndicate, and the only “religious” part in it, is where they say:
“God told us to commit these crimes!”
(Capisce?)!
So, for the last 1,400 years, islam has openly declared criminal, aggressive war on all of humanity, right in their “holy” Qur’an.
And they’ve acted on it, too – with a historical average of a lot less than 1% of the global population, they’ve still managed to be responsible for over HALF of all murders (and all other crimes). Islam has killed over 270 million people (that’s OVER A QUARTER-BILLION INNOCENT LIVES SACRIFICED TO ALLAH so far)!
Islam has committed more murders (and all other crimes) than EVERY other human creed (both secular and religious)!
So, because of their official, “THOU SHALT KILL!” creed, (and even with having bred themselves up to be one fifth of the world today,) the moslems are still from between four and several hundred times more likely to commit murders (and all other crimes) than EVERYONE ELSE, combined!
BAN ISLAM – because everything moslems pretend to consider “holy” is already a crime!
;-(
Randomengineer, it looks as if your understanding of things is as random as your engineering…
Or is it that you know nothing of the teachings of Jesus or never heard of the new covenant ? in which case you should at the very least refrain from making silly comments. Thank you.
Gee, perhaps Christians should invent some method of critically reading Holy Writ and sifting universal moral imperatives from oddball context-heavy moments in OT history, and from situation-dependent strictures and commands. They could have spent the last two millennia up to the present day thoughtfully working out just such apparent cruxes and problems. They could call it … I dunno, “hermeneutics.” Wow, if only the Church and multiple generations of theologians had specialized in something like that. You should write them a letter.
So tell me, when was the last time Christians or Jews stoned an adulterous woman? Now, if you would, please answer the same question for Muslims.
Actually, while even there there woudl be some arguments against you … if you are going ‘Christian’ what you should be looking at is more the ‘new testament’ not the old …
What’s being looked at (by the anti-religious) may be the words of scripture, taken in or out of context, that may seem to espouse violence in its practicioners. What’s actually being practiced is the problem though, isn’t it. You want to see a good stoning, see Rihad or Teheran. You ain’t gonna find one in Vatican City or Salt Lake City. Faith and reason, as Joseph Ratzinger pointed out to Moslem leaders some years ago, are not mutually exclusive. Funny how it wasn’t the Moslems who tried to make the statement into “fighting words,” but the New York Times.
You could stick the Hubble telescope in her ear and never find the trace of a brain.
In her ear wouldn’t be my first choice.
You are more likely to find her largest ganglion cluster in one of the alternative orifaces.
It’s just like most progressives to throw out statements with absolutely no references or facts to back them up. Why doesn’t the MSM call them on this? Of course we all know the answer: It either doesn’t fit their agenda, or doesn’t make them money.
Why doesn’t the MSM call them on this?
The MSM is populated by those who aren’t religious, and to those of us who aren’t religious, all religions are simply wrong, and equally so. To the nonreligious, christian belief and witch doctor voodoo are equivalent items. As per the MSM viewpoint, if they do anything at all relating to “christian” viewpoints they — to be fair — would also need to include viewpoints of every other belief system out there (all of which are equal and equally wrong.)
You are wrong; Judeo-Christianity are exact opposites, and here’s how and why:
From: http://unclevladdi.posterous.com/satanislam#
As the logic provided by natural law does not allow for the proof of a negative, I always considered those who confidently say there is no God to have greater religious faith than me, a devout Catholic. To be sure, such faith shows much more internal character than that of a lukewarm or hypocritical Christian.
There’s also the way this childish concept of “all religions are equally dangerous” plays out in Israel: in the assumption that “radical Jews” are as dangerous to Muslims as radical Muslims are dangerous to Jews, making the violence mutual. Most radical Jews in Israel won’t pick up a weapon in their own defense (they avoid military service like a tar pit), much less strike at any enemy. There is exactly ONE example of a religious Jewish terrorist, e.g. Baruch Goldstein, as opposed to almost a whole society supporting suicide terrorism, and if he didn’t exist the lefties would invent him. The rest of their evidence is treating the occasional threatening Hebrew graffito as the equivalent of mass murder.
How about investigating the radicalization of far left zealots? How about investigating the radicalization of anarchists, gaia worshipers and vegans?
As far as Rosie is concerned, if she had a brain she would be dangerous.
Bring on Sharia. If anyone ever needed to be permanently covered with a tarp, it’s Rosie.
“Radical Christianity” serves the same purpose in America as Jews did in Nazi Germany. It provides an effective target upon which to focus hate. Millions of “ordinary” Germans were smugly convinced that the Jews were “finally getting what they deserved”. And millions of “ordinary” Americans, in our increasingly atheistic culture, and overwhelmingly atheistic “entertainment” industry, meaning TV and film, so thoroughly despise the concept of someone knowing an absolute right or wrong, regardless of its derivation, that they will vote against anyone even remotely associated with anyone genuinely religious.
Try this experiment: ask someone you know, who is convinced that the Republican party is “beholden” to one or more flavors of Christianity, what would happen if tomorrow morning he/she woke up, and John Ashcroft was President, and all 100 Senators were John Ashcroft, and all 400+ House members were John Ashcroft, and all 9 Supreme Court justices were John Ashcroft? What would they require that someone to do, that that someone did not want to do? What would they prevent that someone from doing, that that someone wanted to do?
In my experience, the answer is nothing. Now my list of what Democrats/Liberals/Socialists/Marxists/Fascists make me do that I don’t want to do, or prevent me from doing that I want to do, is a very long list.
But they’re not rational, and you cannot reason with an irrational person.
That’s not THE Al Green, the famous singer and Christian pastor in Memphis, TN.
I think I know what this moonbat would do if she was in control of executive orders and drone missiles. A tolerant Nazi, this Rosie O. A liar too.
I heard she was filing a law suite against South Park writers and producers, because everyone knows by now that she is The Real “Man-Bear-Pig”. How dare the not give her credit?
God Bless America!
Sorry. How dare they not give her credit?
Rosie gets her own law suite? Awesome!
Does it come with a fully stocked kitchen and bar?
Maybe she can gorge herself into a coma.
“So do I, in fact. Investigate radical Christianity! If such a hearing were held with any degree of honesty, it couldn’t help but shed light on the fact that Islam has a unique capacity to incite its adherents to violence today, in a way that neither Christianity nor any other religion shares.”
Exactly. I’m not seeing a lot of nuns blowing up airplanes or priests and pastors calling for the beheading, hanging, or stoning of people. I’m not seeing a lot of Methodists wearing explosive suicide vests or Lutherans calling for the deaths of gays. Christians also don’t treat women like property and have insane laws that give religious instructions on when you’re allowed to beat your wife. And I have never heard of any Christian faith call for the destruction of any country, like Israel, simply because of the religion that is practiced in that country. No, Muslims have a lousy public relations problem and they have nobody to blame but themselves. Now they’re all unhappy because people think they’re a bunch of psychopathic killers. Well, flying airplanes into tall buildings tends to give you a reputation like that.
I don’t think you can just dismiss the abortion clinic bombers out of hand like that, Mr. Spencer. How long ago was the last abortion clinic bombing, and if it was in the last ten years, did the terrorist claim to act on Christianity? If so, this is still a problem that must be addressed.
The answer would be no and no.
The last abortion Doctor (only abortion doctor, btw) was the guy who killed Doctor Tiller because of his faith.
But you would still be missing the point. We don’t need to delve into it because A) you can’t find anything in scripture that supports such actions (unlike the koran), and B) Christians leaders all over the country (all over the world) condemned the action. Again, unlike islamic leaders who remain steadfastly silent when jihad attacks occur.
So, yes – I will dismiss them out of hand.
It doesn’t matter if this or that teaching is in a holy book or not; it’s about people doing violent things in the name of faith. That is the problem radicalization hearings are trying to address.
Wrong. People do things for many reasons, and claim many motives. Before you can legitimately say that a person’s religion encouraged him to do something, you must examine what that religion’s scriptures and teachings say. The person could actually be following what he was taught in school, which in turn may or may not be what the religion actually professes (e.g. Jim Jones and the Jonestown mass suicide); he could be a heretic in his own right; or he could be simply trying to shift the blame.
Sure – it doesn’t matter what their holy books really say, so long as I believe the voices in my head and blame my actions on them and on some words which were never really written down by anyone in the first place.
For instance, say I decide to kill all the _____ (insert minority group, because I’m too weak to tackle an entire majority).
I then claim that the holy scriptural writings of the holy prophet known worldwide as the great “GreekAsianPanda” told me to do it all! Really he did!
Similarly, it doesn’t matter that islam’s Qur’an DOES clearly tell all the moslems to commit all crimes against the non-moslems, because they’re just so darn superior that it’s not only their right, but also their holy duty to their god, to extort, enslave, and murder all the non-moslems in the world, just for the “crime” of NOT being moslems!
Nor does it matter that Judeo-Christianity says nothing of the sort!
Because, in my imagination, (as obviously in yours,) they are both exactly the same level of danger, regardless of any silly written facts to the contrary! Whee!
Christianity is just as bad as islam because I believe it to be so! Oh, wait – maybe I’M more dangerous than some written books, because I, like you, seem to believe that “since all facts are really only opinions anyway, then my merely subjective, fact-free opinions are the diversely opposite equals to your silly objective facts, so there, nyah!”
If the community of Christians loudly condemns the violent actions, then they are obviously not becoming radicalized, a few radicals attached themselves to the community and were rejected as soon as they expressed their radicalism. On the other hand, in the Islamic community you see radicals do radical actions … and the response is either silence or, even more disturbing, ‘CHEERING THEM’. I would rather say the second scenario is evidence of radicalization risk among the sub population at large.
You missed his salient point, that violence is fundamental to Islam. It is condoned, in fact required in the teachings of their “Prophet” Mohamed in both the Qur’an and the Hadith. This is not so in regards to the teachings of Jesus in the Christian Bible. Radical Christianity looks more like mother Theresa than Onsama Bin Laden. The Abortion clinic bombings are counter to the teachings of Christ; 9-11 was right in line with Mohamed’s’.
#14 – There is no problem. The Bible does not say that you must kill abortionists so there is no comparison with the Quran which does say non-believers should be killed.
It makes no difference what the murderer claims. What matters is what the Bible actually says.
Why does radicalization require a hearing at all? Because Islamic radicalization became everyone’s problem and a very big problem – it’s a worldwide phenomenon of a large number of religion-motivated organizations that kill and blow up things in almost every country on earth, and who want to replace existing regimes with Islamic caliphates ruled by sharia law (and succeeded in doing so in some countries) and/or strive for a global caliphate as their final goal. If it were only one small group or a small number of individuals with limited goals it wouldn’t be a phenomenon of radicalization and therefore wouldn’t require a hearing about radicalization. When it’s just a few loonies there’s not much to discuss, you just send the police after them.
Al Qaida have killed a vastly larger number of people in the US and elsewhere than the abortion clinics bombers, but even so if Al Qaida were only one small band of people or even a group of a few small organizations, not able to recruit thousands of people, it wouldn’t require a hearing about radicalization because one small group isn’t a phenomenon of radicalization.
Radicalization means becoming more radical. Radicalization becomes a phenomenon when radical movements grow, when the number of radical believers grow, when the more radical interpretations of a religion become more widespread, when radical groups operating within the community are able to attract many youth who become more extreme and/or violent than the previous generation. A phenomenon of radicalization exists today among Muslims in the US and elsewhere. You can see it in the rise of Islamist parties in several Muslim countries, and you can see it in the Muslim communities in the West, where according to surveys the second and third generations of Muslim immigrants are more radical than their parents. Radical Islamic movements around the world recruit thousands of people, mostly among the youth. You don’t see similar developments among Christians – Christianity is not in a period of radicalization. That doesn’t mean there aren’t some groups of loonies – there are always loonies, but there isn’t a phenomenon of meaningful rise and growth of revolutionary and/or violent Christian movements. Therefore a hearing about Christian radicalization isn’t required, and furthermore isn’t possible since a phenomenon of Christian radicalization simply doesn’t exist at the moment.
Ugh.
Sadly, by reading the comments in the article linked to this story, there are plenty of deluded folks out there that believe Christians are far worse and cause more worldwide terror then the poor misunderstood Muslims.
I don’t know how Christians have time to go to work or get some sleep, because according to some of these morons they murder gays and abortion doctors 24/7.
People of an intelligence level of Al Green in Congress are a big part of what is wrong with America.
Idiotic, that moral equivalency thing…”Hey, rag on Christians, too !”
A whole host of morons has made it into both Houses, but especially the more plebeian House of Representatives. I see Maxine (“Geez are they every going to close the corruption investigation on ME?”) Waters has just declared war on the Tea Party.
Rosie, funny in the olden daze, should keep her fat trap shut. Every time she opens it, she demonstrates again how stupid she has become in her decline.
it’s “just as dangerous as radical Islam.”
However, being a radicalized, loud-mouthed, activist Lesbian is just fine.
Jesus, the inmates have taken over the asylum, haven’t they?!
Jesus, the inmates have taken over the asylum, haven’t they?!
Pretty much, when you consider many of the individuals now sitting at the center of American power.
Tabloid journalism has become mainstream in my lifetime and tabloid personalities have, likewise, gained a toehold.
You all are missing the point. O’Donnell has real reason to fear.
Imagine a Romney campaign ad that begins with Mormon terrorists torturing O’Donnell, Rachel Maddow, Janeane Garofalo, and Maureen Dowd to death. The ad cuts to Romney, who looks into the camera and says, “I’m Mitt Romney, and I not only approve this message, I ordered it”.
This, I opine, would guarantee Romney’s landslide victory.
You gotta put Debbie Wasserman-Shultz and Queen Bee Pelosi in there.
And Sheila Jackson Lee.
I can’t believe the level of lies & stupidity promulgated and propagated.
Well, that was sure stupid.
LOL — Thanks for the belly laugh!
Akatsu, you’re the Man!
I say bring on the hearings. Bring on the discussions. Bring in Rosie O and Whoopi G as expert witnesses and have King ask these mental midgets questions. Bring in members of the Westboro Church (and quickly see that their beliefs have nothing to do with Jesus). Bring in some muslim poopyhead and ask him questions about Christianity and see what kind of mumbojumbo answers you get.
Don’t forget Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn…. just saying.
Christians believe that God will one day judge the world justly and so they do not have to resort to violence. Allah, whom the Muslims worship, seems to be powerless to judge the world. He has to depend on suicide bombers and the likes who are totally unjust in their supposed judgement – they will target a few individuals in a crowd but in the process kill many who long for peaceful change.This makes me wonder if Allah is not simply a god created in the image of Muhammad who was a brutal man. Christians believe that Jesus did not come to dispense violence but to suffer the worst brutality an innocent man of his day could suffer. There could not be a more stark contrast than between the God Christians worship and Allah whom the Muslims worship. Radical is usually associated with violence – Christianity, when it follows the teachings of Jesus, is associate with peace. So “radical Christianity” is a total contradiction.
During last week’s House Homeland Security Committee hearing on “The Radicalization of Muslim-Americans,”
Peter King (R-NY), Chairman of the committee, shows genuine impatience with the morons in the hearings he held last week
There was a segment on the old SCTV show called “Celebrity Blowup” where John Candy and Joe Fleherty would have an obnoxious celebrity at their cabin giving a little shpiel then subsequently get blown up. Then Candy and Fleherty would say ” Oh she blew up real good”. The skit was hilarious.There are so many of today’s celebrities that would fit perfectly there, Rosie O’Donnell being just one.
And yet, every day Methodists and Presbyterians try to get onto airplanes carrying 12 ounce bottles of shampoo, and Congress does nothing. And will the media report that Catholic priests in Mexico dare to hold funerals for people who were killed by drug cartel hitmen armed by the U.S. government?
Lutherans want to pick their own ministers without government approval! This past weekend how many Pentecostals and Baptists exchanged wedding rings without so much as giving one to Barack Obama’s reelection campaign?
If the lunatic left doesn’t do anything to stop these Christians, who will?
Thanks for that. Still giggling.
I have not yet begun to mock!
Keep it up. You’re good at it.
The sad thing is that many people in this country – far more than you’d imagine – actually agree with this view.
Spencer is absolutely correct that Congressional hearings on Christian “radicalization” should be held (by the Democrats, I hope). Such hearings would show to the world that there is absolutely no comparison to Islamic radicalization. Another benefit would be to alienate many Christians from the Democrat Party.
Rosie knows even less about religion than she does about metallurgy.
Are you darned Repuglican Conservatribes still insisting that steel will melt? It won’t, it won’t, it wont, I tell you and your little dog, toooooooooooooo…..
rad·i·cal adjective
1. of or going to the root or origin; fundamental: a radical difference.
2. thoroughgoing or extreme, especially as regards change from accepted or traditional forms: a radical change in the policy of a company.
3. favoring drastic political, economic, or social reforms: radical ideas; radical and anarchistic ideologues.
4. forming a basis or foundation.
5. existing inherently in a thing or person: radical defects of character.
(Source: dictionary.com)
Comparing radical Christianity versus radical Islam is a worthwhile endeavor but far from the scope of a congressional hearing. Laws need to forbid behavior that is unacceptable. The thought police are everyone’s enemies.
Well, yes radical Christianity is dangerous. One can’t look away from the genocidal massacre of some 8,000 Bosnian Muslims by the good Christians of Serbia and Croatia.
How can you describe people of Serbia and Croatia who were involved in killing Bosnian Muslims as “good Christians” when they bear no resemblance whatever to Jesus Christ and whose lives give the lie to them being such?
…except that it was (as usual) really only the other moslems who killed most of them. And the rest were killed because the moslem aggressors used them as human shields (as is their wont, since the great coward – er, I mean ‘pragmatist’ bandit-king Muhammad himself invented the practice) and by when they placed artillery on the roof of their own hospital, while barring the doors so the patients couldn’t leave. The rest were bodies they dug up from graveyards and trucked in for the UN observers to find – and they STILL didn’t fall for it. Only the media fell for it, not even the sympathetic French observers the UN sent in to investigate!
But nice try anyway, though!
Plus, all the good Christians everywhere else in the world, cheering them on … oh, wait–that didn’t happen, did it?
And all the worldwide Christian talking heads who consistently deplored the violence, but then from the other sides of their mouth essentially defended it.,, Oh, darn. That didn’t actually happen either.
In fact, most of Christendom seemed to be appalled and angered, as if what happened in Bosnia was somehow inorganic to Christianity and deserved censure, wagon-circling be damned. How odd.
Well, at least the good news is that Muslim “men in the street,” from Indonesia to the U.S. suburbs, will act as Christians did in the face of the next Muslim atrocity … oh darn, waittheytotallywon’t.
Good points in #27 and #28. Those who think there is no such thing as “radical Christianity” may want to read up on dominion theology and Christian reconstructionism.
To add to Lefty’s thought in #28, much of the 1990s genocide in Rwanda was led by and assisted by Catholic/Christian clergy.
SteveB, facts to back up your assertion about the Rwandan genocide, please?
Hey Shaune. Ever hear of Google? I just did a query and found over a dozen references to the roles of many members of the clergy in perpetrating the Rwandan genocide.
You seem to be totally ignorant of Jesus teaching and his life. He made it very clear that his followers are those whose lives are guided by the Law of God – not those who say they are Christians but are in fact clueless or live lives that totally contradict this assertion. We are given a clear picture of the first Christians in the New Testament and down the centuries millions have believed in Jesus and their lives have reflected the same wholehearted love for God, love for their neighbours and even love for their enemies. There are many many primary historical sources (even by opponents of Christians) that support this fact. Perhaps you need to make an effort to address your ignorance.
And as for the word “radical” it is frequently used in association with violence and when used as a noun for “extremist, fanatic, militant, revolutionary” [Collins Cobuild Dictionary]. This is the primary sense in mind when the word is used to disparage Christians and not the usual meanings when it is used as an adjective with other nouns.
Funny how your first sentence accuses someone with whom you disagree of being ignorant. I’ve already cited an instance in the 20th century (Rwandan genocide) and Lefty did the Bosnian genocide. Now maybe you might go back and read about the Borgias, the Spanish Inquisition, the First Crusade putting everyone in Jerusalem to the sword; need I go on?
All that pails in comparison to the death count of radical atheist over the years. Yes, even the Mohammedans must be in awe of the blood lust of folks like Lennon, Stalin, Pol Pot, Chairman Mao, Che Guevara, and others of the statist ilk.
Perhaps the investigation should include the dangers of the radicalization of the godless left?
Ah yes, some modern “Reconstructionism” flavor of “theology” which maybe goes entirely against the clear and basic teachings actually to be found in the Bibles…. how on earth could that matter? Can you even read what you type?!
If I go on a genocidal rampage and claim Christianity made me do it, I’d be lying, unlike if I was a moslem who claimed the allah (or Muhammad) made me do it, because the Qur’an REALLY DOES, clearly and in writing, demand such things!
I’m familiar with those camps. And if Dominionists and Christian Recontructionists (the whole dozen of them) were any more powerful, numerous, or influential than flat-earthers in a geophysics department, your bringing them up could have some kind of point.
Guess you’re not as familiar with these movements as you think you are.
So far, Steve, your arguments are reminding me of a black hole … only with empiricism instead of light. Care to document this great Dominionist/Reconstructionist armature that undergirds reputable Christian theology, public morality, and political thought?
Well, you could follow the suggestion I made to Shaune & do a google query. You can look for writings & interviews with: RJ Rushdoony, Gary North, Rev. Greg Bahnsen, Rev. Ray Sutton, John Stoos, Gary DeMar, Larry Abraham, Jay Grimstead, RE McMaster Jr.. There also are connections with the John Birch Society & Pat Robertson. I’m sure you can find more if you exercise some initiative. You might also investigate the “America is a Christian Nation” concept as there also are connections there.
“Do Lysenko, Victor Frankenstein, and that dude from ‘Human Centipede’ ring a bell?”
“Good heavens! Obviously, biology must be some kind of FRAUD.”
Wow … way to put your finger firmly on the pulse of the theological mainstream. That’s the most influential and essential roster of figures since … no, I kid. It might be technically possible to come up with names less relevant to theology in general and the public square in particular, but I’m not actually positive about that.
The John Birch Society? That’s a glorious touch. ‘Cause, you know, as long as we’re taxonomizing influential thinkers who shape people’s discourse.
As far as I’m concerned, their relevance to modern times is very questionable. Rosie O’Donnell has been very forgettable since her sitcom, “Rosie” was cancelled. And Al Green? He should have stuck to music. His “Let’s Stay Together” is one of my personal top 20 tunes and “Tired of being alone” is a classic. Whatever possessed these two to get into politics, we’ll never know. What? Oh. Never mind.
Rosie old girl, Simply being a smokin’ hot babe does not give you the right to maliciously attack others. Perhaps you should look at the score card on the number of school buses blown up by various “religions”. If the data are backing you up, go ahead and say it. Otherwise, you merely come off as the angry, snarling, uneducated, buffoon that you are.
“Why are the pretty ones so dumb?”
–Brian Griffin, 1999
if LaRose had remained a Christian, of course, she never would have been moved to kill by a cartoon of Muhammad
or if and Atheist, or Democrat or Republican
or just about anything else
So it is Islam plus genuinely creepy people.
Make that “esteemed Biblical scholar AND alloy metallurgist”.
“Seven, miraculously, for the first time in history, steel was melted by fire. It is physically impossible.”
- R. O’Donnell – The View
To borrow from something rock n roller Alice Cooper once said” “Anyone who listens to anything Rosie O’Donnell says is a bigger dope than I am”
I hate to agree with her but she does have a point.
you deserve to know the truth! 9/11 was an inside job please do the morally correct thing and spread the truth… the war on terror is a big lie and millions of innocent people are dieing for nothing
#36 Speaking of radicals……….
Puzzled Outsider. I agree, that just because a group slaps a “Christian” label on something, does not make it Christian. Jesus said of Christians, “By their fruits you shall know them. Can anyone gather grapes from a thorn-bush, or figs from thistles?” In short, just saying one is Christian, does not mean it is so.
There are groups who give true Christianity a bad name. At risk of appearing sectarian, I have to say, that my study of the origin of Catholicism and its history and current activities in running various crime rackets (google: “the vatican and financial scandal” or something similar-but use “vatican,”) shows very plainly that despite many within it, who genuinely love the Lord, it is anything but Christian. It is a political organisation with a sugar-coating of religion over it. It has brought disrepute upon many godly Christian groups throughout the centuries with its crusades, mass destruction of Jews and protestants, now it runs homosexual sex-rings and is paid money it refuses to declare the origins of to the Italian Government, no doubt from its well-known Mafia operations. The vatican is the wealthiest institution on earth.
Christ laid down his life for others (so do his followers)-Catholicism takes lives. Don’t ever lump that harlot (thats a Biblical term for her, in Revelation) in with the Bride of Christ (those who are pure and serve him in humility and faithfulness.
Go back and restudy history, because your conclusion is dead wrong. The Catholic Church is the same today as she was in Apostolic times, and yes, we do have an unbroken chain of succession and preservation of doctrine dating back to the Apostles.
Been readin’ Dan Brown again have we?
Catholics are the true “Bible Christians,” what with our publishing of the original canon of scripture some 1600 years ago.
Ever wonder how good Christians got their scripture from 33 AD until 400 AD? There’s a goovle search for ya.
I think those calling Rosie and Ellen Degeneris Degeneris are merely helping to make her point Although i don’t agree with the gay and lesbian agenda and think far too much is made of their issues, I do agree that the rabid Christianity, akin to the Bible Thumpers of yesteryear are an enormous problem. I attended a mainline Christian Church for most of my life and have found that these so-called Christians are nothing like the people I have always known. It’s always their way or the highway. They censor books, even finding fault with Harry Potter. They have no understanding of the trials of having a handicapped child or of single parenthood. Generally, I have found they are the most rigid and selfish people I have ever known and unfortunately, with access to the internet, They are a voice to be dealt with and I rue the day when and if they ever become a majority in this country.
For a zealot, all that matters is that they’re “right”. I ran into the type while in the military, a lot. It’s a strangely human phenomenon when a person or persons latch onto something.
The mental disorder of a zealot is the same whether they are insisting that your choice of religion is wrong or demanding that you only eat vegetables. It’s intolerance at its most fundamental.
Then, there’s the potential criticism from left-wing zealots who excoriate those who find islam abhorrent. “You’re intolerant, I must scream at you and wish your head on a pike because of it!”. Fact is, islam is a cult founded on hatred of others “not like us” and propagated by tribal elders whose authority cannot be questioned. In other words, a dark-ages mindset among all of them.
There are enormous differences between Judaism/Christianity and the feudalism of islam. What makes me curious is how so many millions of people can follow such a “teaching” without being even remotely introspective about it. Judaism and Christianity encourage self-critiquing, whereas islam does not.
But, I suppose the weak-minded prefer a book of instructions that allows them such aberrant behavior. Self-preservation, desire to succeed and family “values” are adhered to in a way that is anathema to Western peoples. Culture clash is an understatement.
But zealots of the Christian variety have never been anything more than annoying to me. In my native land I can choose to avoid them, or even tell them to shut up. They will insist they aren’t salespeople yet they continue to babble on about how YOU are going to go to hell unless…. At times, I’d have rather been at a car dealer for the seventh hour while the sales dork plays their little games. At least I know he’s full of it and he probably does as well.
However, I’ll take bible thumpers over smelly, filthy, blindly ignorant muslims any day.
Ah, I get it! As usual, the idolatrous, personal-responsibility-avoiding libtards are spinning symptoms into their own causes! Like this:
“See here, folks! It isn’t really islam, nor even Christianity (despite what you were all thinking about those verdamnt ‘Christers!’) that’s causing all this trouble in the world today! Nope! Nosir!
IT’S REALLY ONLY “THE RADICALS!”
They’re the ones to blame! Why, if it weren’t for those evil ‘Radicals’ subverting all those peaceful religions like islam and others (and maybe even Christianity, though wer’e not entirely sure Christian evil wouldn’t survive on it’s own even without the influence of those pernicious Radicals) then there would be absolutely no problems in the world at all! None! We could all be gaily free, and freely gay! And, since we’d all be ‘equal,’ too, why then, if you still feel like working for your living, then you’d still owe me half your payheck anyway! That’s only fair and equitable too, right?! Whee!”
http://www.worldnewstribune.com/2012/05/28/muslim-attacks-against-christians-on-the-rise-in-west-bank/
If one believes that abortion is violence against innocent unborn children, then violence against abortionists and abortion clinics is arguably mandated by the Judaeo-Christian prohibition against murder. (Judaeo-Christian because Jesus didn’t issue prohibitions against any sins. Nor did he void the Judaic laws; he simply recommended a merciful, rather than rigid, approach, to lesser sins. He never said what should be done with a murderer.)
Islam however mandates violence in much broader contexts, and for much less important reasons: blasphemy, apostasy, refusal to be ruled by Moslems.
Rosie O’Donnell & Janeane Garofalo.
Two women who used to be funny but whose comedy got drowned by their radical leftist views.
Good lord, I would hate to run into this broad in a dark alley.
The Al Green?
As in: “Look What You Done for Me”?
Wow.
Good thing he has a fall-back career plan.
suurrre Radical christianity boys and girls =–its all the rage….
Catholics flying planes into towers, Baptists cutting people’s heads off and shouting ‘Jesus Ackbar!’, Eastern Orthodox blowing up cafes with suicide bombers, Anglicans violently protesting and stabbing atheist filmmakers who insult Christianity, methodists demanding women wear total head coverings….
Oh wait NO THEY DON’T.
Rosie you are a moron.
BUT MUSLIMS DO ALL THOSE THINGS.
huh
suurrre Radical christianity boys and girls =–its all the rage….
Catholics flying planes into towers, Baptists cutting people’s heads off and shouting ‘Jesus Ackbar!’, Eastern Orthodox blowing up cafes with suicide bombers, Anglicans violently protesting and stabbing atheist filmmakers who insult Christianity, methodists demanding women wear total head coverings….
yeah yeah suuuure.
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