Comments on: Indoctrination Disguised as Education Reform

By: forcedintohomeschooling

forcedintohomeschooling — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 18:32:42 +0000

The public school system and DOE is the most corrupt system in our gov. We moved to a top school district in Missouri, thinking schools would be worth the horrific taxes. Every person on our street did same thing. NONE of us made it more than 1 year with our first child in public school. The school board got angry at my neighbor, who has her Master’s in teaching ironically, for asking questions at a school Board meeting about the math curiculum! The district used a math program that REQUIRED 1st graders to use a calculator for every problem! They got angry that my son had gone to preschool and asked me to teach him to read….it took 3 weeks! When the K teacher found out she told me I probably “ruined” him LOL Had to tell her that it was only phonics and I’m pretty sure there’s no evidence that phonics “ruins” children LOL Go to Rainbow Resource Center (not affiliated in ANY way) and you can buy anything your school can get. Get the book, “The Well Trained Mind” (not affiliated in ANY way) and they give you all the options for a program that will get your kids into Ivy League schools. Don’t put up with people telling you that you “can’t teach your children as well as a certified teacher” My kids take Latin starting in 3rd grade and Spanish in K. We don’t worry about bullies or peer pressure, and it’s made our family life awesome! Best part, we can do half days in spring and late summer, go 6 days a week in nasty winter, and go on family vacations when the lemmings are all sitting in public school LOL I can take 8 kids to Walt Disney World the first week of December for what I could take 2 during Christmas vacation, and no lines either:)

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By: Van

Van — Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:28:41 +0000

I’m pretty active and I hadn’t heard of this thing untill last night… we’ve got a townhall on it here tonight and will see what can be done to stop this… but this didn’t start with the 60′s… at least not in the 1960′s, it only came blatantly out into plain view in the 1960′s. This whole mess started in the 1860′s with the Morrill Act, which was the first proregressive success in getting the Federal govt involved in local citizens lives, taking advantage of American’s thirst for Education… and over the objections of College Presidents who saw what would follow, it passed… and govt, and the proregressive leaders who put themselves up as the ‘X-spurts’ to guide ‘educational progress’, have taken progressively more and more control of our educational system ever since.

They broke out of the straightjacket of traditional American’s ideas of what an Education should be in the early 1900′s, and it’s been the inverted hockey stick ever since.

I put up a couple posts on this a few years ago, “What never was and never will be” and “Spreading The Flames“.

If this passes and is implemented unopposed… we’re toast. It won’t matter what legislative victory we manage to make… unless homeschooling takes off bigtime, there won’t be anyone left around to see liberty as being worthwhile.

See if it’s in your area yet, if it is, fight it, if it’s not, fight it – it’s coming, either way fight this one folks… it’s happening at your local schoolboard level where we can all still have a say.

Fight this.

By: Alan

Alan — Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:53:54 +0000

I’m afraid the freefall started long before Ayres. Track it from The Bolshevik revolution in ’17, and through ’20s and ’30s with Dewey and his humanist buddies.

And what was the name of the guy that started out as an intern at the UN and ended up writing a core curriculum for global education that was based on Alice Bailey’s occultic teachings of a new world order.

By: Boglee

Boglee — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:02:54 +0000

The US education system started to freefall in the late sixties when guys like Bill Ayers realized they could do more damage to the country with less personal risk if they could “reform” education…it continues today.

By: Dwight

Dwight — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:49:58 +0000

Education is such a huge topic that everyone falls into generalities quickly. If the FEDERAL government insists that all states have high-stakes testing for graduation, that is not a sign of softness or the nanny-state, but rather a bit of tough-mindedness on standards.
Righties tend to grumble about education, but no one wants to enter the profession and change things. One would have to be smart enough to go through the process, say what has to be said, and then start to work on change, and any righties smart, subtle, and tough enough to do that, evidently, would rather do something else. So it goes.
And yes, you do have to be smart enough to “control the language,” but it is one thing to do that from a keyboard at home, and another thing to run the gauntlet of college, ed school, and all those students and then also argue that your salary should be less, your union weaker etc.
For what it’s worth, I was a teacher, liberal by your standards, conservative by ed. school standards, who believed in rigor and skills, as well as ethos and class-building.

There is so much bs thrown around by both sides on the education piece, but, I guess that’s where I started from, back at the generalities. But teaching history, or getting history standards in place is endlessly political, because some people want memorization and exposition of the founding documents and other want immigration, oppression, and social justice. Hell, it is ALL relevant, but there is only so much time. I was lucky; I taught English and my responsibilty was at least as much SKILLS as content, whereas with history, you can’t finesse content.

By: Charles Stevens

Charles Stevens — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:43:50 +0000

Dave II provides a good rebuttal to progressives steeped in ‘critical thinking’ (which amounts to cherry-picking facts without any associated logical hierarchy, in order to support your preformed conclusions). He cites Supreme Court decisions that supersede any international treaty.

There is more here, however. Progressives have taken control of the language and its definitions, in order to obfuscate a number of distinctions that Conservatives must keep in mind. This is especially true concerning the word “religion”, which should be seen as encompassing the idea of a church, and is completely different from the concept of “faith”. Although the Founders did not want a national church, they did indeed presume, suppose, and direct that the people of this nation supported and sustained a Judeo-Christian ethos. Without it, the Preamble to the Declaration of Independence is irrelevant. It is not simply a throwaway line to a list of grievances, but is instead the rock upon which this nation depends. Moreover it is the rock of the Christian faith, something that is a precursor to all Christian creeds and churches.

Don’t get sucked into the progressives deceitful misuse of language. He who controls the language, controls the dialogue.

By: Rubicon

Rubicon — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:46:46 +0000

And there is a really good question…… Just exactly where is the National Education Association (NEA) in all of this? Do ‘they’ agree with this agenda? Do they agree kids should be taught using revisionist history books that omit or distort relevant historic facts?
These ‘teachers’ being inserted into the education system… we are left w/ the impression they are not certified. Does the NEA approve? Why? When did the NEA drop all of the teacher certification requirements they have so long held fast? If so, why?
The teachers unions should be screaming ut loud about now. If they fail to respond, they too could end up out of work. Worse, they could end up working beside a teacher who may be teaching based on political ideology & not on actual learning of a subject.
The teachers’ unions have long fought charter schools, home-schooling, & vouchers. So now we are to believe they hold the progressive agenda so dear to their hearts that they will forgo any & all of their past objections, so that agenda can be imposed on America’s school children. Really? The NEA?
Maybe the state education departments would or are compliant in all of this. If so it simply proves what many of us have suspected for decades. The government system of education is corrupted w/ ideologues who will use any & every tactic possible to impose their agenda & to either establish greater control or re-enforce their existing control of the system they have worked so hard to create. They take care of their own. But this proposal looks to eliminate actual teachers as we have known them, in favor of re-educationists who are certified by the progressive units Duncan & others look to be establishing.
I say, lets also get to our existing teachers & enlist their support to put an end to this despicable effort to indoctrinate our children & to distort history in favor of the socialist mindset.

By: Earl T

Earl T — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 00:33:43 +0000

Irrespective of this, it ALL starts at home, people! My kids all went to the NEA-controlled local public schools replete with all the new Ed School tricks, bells and whistles!

The teachers were mostly solid Lib/Proggs, with the usual bias against rational thought and conservative anything, yet all three of mine graduated, when to college and have ended up as solid conservative-thing adult!

Stick with the basics at home, teach your kids to read, read to them books of your choosing(not just “Goodnight, Moon”—but real literature; mine got huge doses of JRR Tolkien, Twain and even some Faulkner!)) and make sure they get religious training as well. They don’t need to turn out as “evangelicals”, but exposure to Judeo-Christian principles at home and in a church of like-minded individuals, is the best way to inculcate Christian moral values, as well as help prevent falling victim to cults.

My kids were confident enough with what they learned at home to challenge their teachers thinking, at home and in the classroom.

DO NOT LAY THIS TASK OFF ON THE NEA brigands! You have complete control at home, use it wisely and you can take advantage of the public system’s good parts, while overcoming the crap!

Finally give your kids the “GIFT” of poverty, i.e. do NOT cater to their every whim! They want something? Make ‘em earn it! Works wonders in developing responsible “capitalists”!

By: Michael

Michael — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:00:18 +0000

Avoidswork, I love your definition of “thinking and/or engaged in reason? Critical thinking”. It amounts to feeding false info to impressionable kids and suppressing other viewpoints/documentation. Much better to send unqualified “teachers” to teach one party, one view politics as learning.

I know, it might give kids a chance to actually appreciate their country in some small way. To appreciate that capitalism made the US and the world a much better place to live in. A very dangerous idea for socialist big government types.

I hardly blame you. If you were “educated” in the last 40 years your education is in question. That can be rectified if you apply yourself to reading wide ranging ideas especially other than the ideas foisted upon you in your impressionable years.