Comments on: In Focus: The Politics of Torture http://pjmedia.com/blog/in_focus_the_politics_of_tortu/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:13:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Dryfuss http://pjmedia.com/blog/in_focus_the_politics_of_tortu/#comment-22904 Dryfuss Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:03:00 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/in-focus-the-politics-of-torture/#comment-22904 During WWII, all important info was coded, why not the field manuel for prisoner treatment. if tactics are changed and coded, would this not be a possible preventive measure or our we so open visually that we keep nothing under rapes regarding Army stratagies ? Last evening McCain stated on Larry King, what Sheryl wrote in detail, regarding his attitude. We are still in a quandry regarding the other two. During WWII, all important info was coded, why not the field manuel for prisoner treatment. if tactics are changed and coded, would this not be a possible preventive measure or our we so open visually that we keep nothing under rapes regarding Army stratagies ?
Last evening McCain stated on Larry King, what
Sheryl wrote in detail, regarding his attitude. We are still in a quandry regarding the other two.

]]> By: Hotpatch 6 http://pjmedia.com/blog/in_focus_the_politics_of_tortu/#comment-22903 Hotpatch 6 Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:19:28 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/in-focus-the-politics-of-torture/#comment-22903 I always thought that the oath of office for presidents, senators and representatives had a part that said " ...to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic," the object being to protect US citizens. In the grand scheme of things, is protecting hundreds, or thousands, of US citizens from harm less important than the momentary discomfort of waterboarding a known terrorsit NON-CITIZEN who wants us dead? Hey, If you hold him down, I'll pour the water!! I always thought that the oath of office for presidents, senators and representatives had a part that said ” …to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic,” the object being to protect US citizens. In the grand scheme of things, is protecting hundreds, or thousands, of US citizens from harm less important than the momentary discomfort of waterboarding a known terrorsit NON-CITIZEN who wants us dead? Hey, If you hold him down, I’ll pour the water!!

]]> By: Lem http://pjmedia.com/blog/in_focus_the_politics_of_tortu/#comment-22902 Lem Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:12:32 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/in-focus-the-politics-of-torture/#comment-22902 It's not law yet. I believe the house needs to act and then the two bills go to conference on and on. maybe thats why nobody is geting exited... yet. its a bad bill either way. congress should not be in the bussiness of re-writing war manuals. It’s not law yet. I believe the house needs to act and then the two bills go to conference on and on. maybe thats why nobody is geting exited… yet.

its a bad bill either way. congress should not be in the bussiness of re-writing war manuals.

]]> By: Jeb http://pjmedia.com/blog/in_focus_the_politics_of_tortu/#comment-22901 Jeb Fri, 15 Feb 2008 01:22:41 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/in-focus-the-politics-of-torture/#comment-22901 <blockquote>Actually McCain position is consistent here. I don't think you read the column, Jeb.</blockquote> I did read the column and McCain's full rationalization. Kerry's full statement in the infamous "for it before against it quote" was consistent even without recourse to after the fact rationalizations. (You simply had to read his full statement.) That did not stop it from being a very effective political bludgeon. Both positions were nuanced and easily subject to the interpretation of flip floppery. I think that McCain's statement is simply cover for making his vote to appeal to the pro-torture base, but I could be wrong. In any case; live by the flip flop, die by the flip flop.

Actually McCain position is consistent here. I don’t think you read the column, Jeb.

I did read the column and McCain’s full rationalization. Kerry’s full statement in the infamous “for it before against it quote” was consistent even without recourse to after the fact rationalizations. (You simply had to read his full statement.) That did not stop it from being a very effective political bludgeon. Both positions were nuanced and easily subject to the interpretation of flip floppery. I think that McCain’s statement is simply cover for making his vote to appeal to the pro-torture base, but I could be wrong. In any case; live by the flip flop, die by the flip flop.

]]> By: Roger L. Simon http://pjmedia.com/blog/in_focus_the_politics_of_tortu/#comment-22900 Roger L. Simon Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:55:28 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/in-focus-the-politics-of-torture/#comment-22900 Hello, Joe (whoever you are) You should know that on Valentine's Day it is not good form for CEOs or anyone else to fact-check their wives. Nevertheless, I will call your attention to the website of the US Senate itself, which tells us that on H.R. 2082 (Intelligence Authorization Act) there were four abstainers: <em>Not Voting - 4 Clinton (D-NY) Graham (R-SC) McCaskill (D-MO) Obama (D-IL)</em> So my wife was correct. To save you the effort, here's the link: <a href="http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00022" rel="nofollow">http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00022</a> Happy Valentine's Day! Hello, Joe (whoever you are)

You should know that on Valentine’s Day it is not good form for CEOs or anyone else to fact-check their wives.

Nevertheless, I will call your attention to the website of the US Senate itself, which tells us that on H.R. 2082 (Intelligence Authorization Act) there were four abstainers:

Not Voting – 4
Clinton (D-NY)
Graham (R-SC)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Obama (D-IL)

So my wife was correct. To save you the effort, here’s the link:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00022

Happy Valentine’s Day!

]]> By: Joe http://pjmedia.com/blog/in_focus_the_politics_of_tortu/#comment-22899 Joe Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:15:14 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/in-focus-the-politics-of-torture/#comment-22899 Obama did not abstain. He voted for the bill, which means he voted against torture. Is it too much for the author to just read the roll call that is available from two seconds of googling??* *In fairness, I know the CEO's wife may not get fact-checked as rigorously as others. Obama did not abstain. He voted for the bill, which means he voted against torture. Is it too much for the author to just read the roll call that is available from two seconds of googling??*

*In fairness, I know the CEO’s wife may not get fact-checked as rigorously as others.

]]> By: Edith L. http://pjmedia.com/blog/in_focus_the_politics_of_tortu/#comment-22898 Edith L. Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:23:23 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/in-focus-the-politics-of-torture/#comment-22898 Actually McCain position is consistent here. I don't think you read the column, Jeb. Actually McCain position is consistent here. I don’t think you read the column, Jeb.

]]> By: Jeb http://pjmedia.com/blog/in_focus_the_politics_of_tortu/#comment-22897 Jeb Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:47:41 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/in-focus-the-politics-of-torture/#comment-22897 So, it appears that McCain was for prohibiting torture before he was against it. It's not so comfortable when the flip flop is on the other foot is it? So, it appears that McCain was for prohibiting torture before he was against it.

It’s not so comfortable when the flip flop is on the other foot is it?

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