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		<title>By: Caestal</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/in-praise-of-the-nanny-state/#comment-274127</link>
		<dc:creator>Caestal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough.  I hate to further the digression into anti/pro smoking rights and responsibilities, but I will anyways. :-o  Smoking should absolutely not be allowed where people are forced to be, like schools, or where people have to go through lack of choices, like airports.  Saying that in and of itself, smoking endangers everyone in the world anytime a cigarette is lit within 1000 yards is self-parody at its finest.  
Go to the Norita airport and walk by the smoking lounge and you won&#039;t be able to smell the smoke unless you walk through the door... technology is a wonderful thing.  Walk through the average busy parking ramp and you will be exposed to far more toxins from the entrapped exhaust fumes than you will ever be exposed to by smokers sitting at an isolated picnic table 100 yards from anyone else... yet most businesses dare not provide such a thing where I live, lest they be fined out of existence.
I used to smoke, and haven&#039;t for years, but it is insane to say that my desire not to smoke should prevent others from enjoying tobacco wherever it is reasonable to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough.  I hate to further the digression into anti/pro smoking rights and responsibilities, but I will anyways. <img src='http://pjmedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':-o' class='wp-smiley' />   Smoking should absolutely not be allowed where people are forced to be, like schools, or where people have to go through lack of choices, like airports.  Saying that in and of itself, smoking endangers everyone in the world anytime a cigarette is lit within 1000 yards is self-parody at its finest.<br />
Go to the Norita airport and walk by the smoking lounge and you won&#8217;t be able to smell the smoke unless you walk through the door&#8230; technology is a wonderful thing.  Walk through the average busy parking ramp and you will be exposed to far more toxins from the entrapped exhaust fumes than you will ever be exposed to by smokers sitting at an isolated picnic table 100 yards from anyone else&#8230; yet most businesses dare not provide such a thing where I live, lest they be fined out of existence.<br />
I used to smoke, and haven&#8217;t for years, but it is insane to say that my desire not to smoke should prevent others from enjoying tobacco wherever it is reasonable to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/in-praise-of-the-nanny-state/#comment-273506</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Delia-

You completely missed what I said.  I am not defending the smoker&#039;s rights.  I am defending the business owner&#039;s property rights.  No one is forcing you to enter the business owner&#039;s PRIVATE property.  No one is forcing you to bring your kids.  You choose whether to enter a business that allows smoking.  It should be the business owner&#039;s right to allow smoking or not on his PRIVATE property.  

If you were trying to imply that smoking should flat out be illegal, you are a supporter of tyranny and there is no point in discussing Liberty with you.  Have a nice day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delia-</p>
<p>You completely missed what I said.  I am not defending the smoker&#8217;s rights.  I am defending the business owner&#8217;s property rights.  No one is forcing you to enter the business owner&#8217;s PRIVATE property.  No one is forcing you to bring your kids.  You choose whether to enter a business that allows smoking.  It should be the business owner&#8217;s right to allow smoking or not on his PRIVATE property.  </p>
<p>If you were trying to imply that smoking should flat out be illegal, you are a supporter of tyranny and there is no point in discussing Liberty with you.  Have a nice day.</p>
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		<title>By: Roderick Reilly</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/in-praise-of-the-nanny-state/#comment-272774</link>
		<dc:creator>Roderick Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love elegant, subtle satire, it&#039;s the best kind, and has served us well since the publication of Swift&#039;s &quot;A Modest Proposal.&quot;

Perhaps the best use of stealth satire is the socio-political equivalent of the &quot;long-con,&quot; where progressive readers in position of influence take certain &quot;modest proposals&quot; seriously and try to implement them. Anything that would sabotage nanny-staters through their own actions constitute the best form of succesfull rebellion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love elegant, subtle satire, it&#8217;s the best kind, and has served us well since the publication of Swift&#8217;s &#8220;A Modest Proposal.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps the best use of stealth satire is the socio-political equivalent of the &#8220;long-con,&#8221; where progressive readers in position of influence take certain &#8220;modest proposals&#8221; seriously and try to implement them. Anything that would sabotage nanny-staters through their own actions constitute the best form of succesfull rebellion.</p>
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		<title>By: imaCapitalist2</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/in-praise-of-the-nanny-state/#comment-272578</link>
		<dc:creator>imaCapitalist2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is cracked since they&#039;re going to euthanize unproducers anyway.  why nanny when you can let stupidity slaughter itself?  seems more cost effective.  TORTURE: paying Congress to raise taxes &amp; write stupid laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is cracked since they&#8217;re going to euthanize unproducers anyway.  why nanny when you can let stupidity slaughter itself?  seems more cost effective.  TORTURE: paying Congress to raise taxes &amp; write stupid laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Delia</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/in-praise-of-the-nanny-state/#comment-272562</link>
		<dc:creator>Delia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. @ Syn [30]:

I&#039;m all for science and finding cures for cancer but there&#039;s a saying, &quot;An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure&quot; and just because you &#039;might&#039; be genetically prone to certain cancers doesn&#039;t mean everyone should &#039;light up&#039; and pass around cigs. That&#039;s about as mentally retarded as telling people to have all the bed partners they want because the rare person who has their first &#039;lover&#039; might have herpes anyhow.

I have breast cancer and uterine cancer the maternal side of my family and my paternal grandfather died of &#039;blood cancer&#039;, so I&#039;m well aware of &#039;cancer&#039; and genetics. Mm-kay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. @ Syn [30]:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for science and finding cures for cancer but there&#8217;s a saying, &#8220;An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure&#8221; and just because you &#8216;might&#8217; be genetically prone to certain cancers doesn&#8217;t mean everyone should &#8216;light up&#8217; and pass around cigs. That&#8217;s about as mentally retarded as telling people to have all the bed partners they want because the rare person who has their first &#8216;lover&#8217; might have herpes anyhow.</p>
<p>I have breast cancer and uterine cancer the maternal side of my family and my paternal grandfather died of &#8216;blood cancer&#8217;, so I&#8217;m well aware of &#8216;cancer&#8217; and genetics. Mm-kay?</p>
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		<title>By: Delia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Delia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>30. syn:

&quot;There is a high possibility that most terminal disease is genetic but because of your stupid idea that ‘healthy living’ will prevent disease&quot;
~

Have you ever seen tar-lung? HAVE YOU? Have you seen the walls of smokers? One of our renters has tar practically dripping off of her walls. -And, being happy and having a sense of humor will probably help, along with not having belly fat, getting enough exercise and eating healthy.

Just because I don&#039;t want to smoke with you against my will doesn&#039;t mean I want to control your life but when you blow smoke that other people have to breathe then you are taking away the choice of people around you who don&#039;t WANT TO. How hard is that to comprehend?

-And, a child&#039;s growing lungs don&#039;t need chokey smoke tarring up in &#039;em just because a selfish jerk of a parent wants to smoke their cancer stick [and yes, nimwad, cigarettes DO cause cancer whether your tiny, little pea brain wants to accept that FACT or not]. I &#039;get&#039; that some people will &#039;light up&#039; even if there is a skull and cross-bones on a black pack of cigs and that&#039;s fine if you want to smoke with other smokers or people who really aren&#039;t bothered by cig smoke. Drink all you want too until you fall down drunk...just please, don&#039;t drive if ya do.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>30. syn:</p>
<p>&#8220;There is a high possibility that most terminal disease is genetic but because of your stupid idea that ‘healthy living’ will prevent disease&#8221;<br />
~</p>
<p>Have you ever seen tar-lung? HAVE YOU? Have you seen the walls of smokers? One of our renters has tar practically dripping off of her walls. -And, being happy and having a sense of humor will probably help, along with not having belly fat, getting enough exercise and eating healthy.</p>
<p>Just because I don&#8217;t want to smoke with you against my will doesn&#8217;t mean I want to control your life but when you blow smoke that other people have to breathe then you are taking away the choice of people around you who don&#8217;t WANT TO. How hard is that to comprehend?</p>
<p>-And, a child&#8217;s growing lungs don&#8217;t need chokey smoke tarring up in &#8216;em just because a selfish jerk of a parent wants to smoke their cancer stick [and yes, nimwad, cigarettes DO cause cancer whether your tiny, little pea brain wants to accept that FACT or not]. I &#8216;get&#8217; that some people will &#8216;light up&#8217; even if there is a skull and cross-bones on a black pack of cigs and that&#8217;s fine if you want to smoke with other smokers or people who really aren&#8217;t bothered by cig smoke. Drink all you want too until you fall down drunk&#8230;just please, don&#8217;t drive if ya do.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: syn</title>
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		<dc:creator>syn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Delia

Just wait until you find out that those who hate smoking as much as you end up dying from lung cancer anyway.

My father hated smokers yet ended up dying from lung cancer at the age of 68 even after eating all the right foods, maintaining his weight just under normal, meditating, being moderate wine drinker, getting bi-yearly health check-ups, exercising daily, believed he would live to 110, took daily vitamins....he did all the correct things for &#039;healthy living&#039; yet ended up being diagnosed with stage four terminal lung and died within three months.

Opera singer Beverly Sills died from lung cancer too!

There is a high possibility that most terminal disease is genetic but because of your stupid idea that &#039;healthy living&#039; will prevent disease and death we are never going to find cures for those diseases which are genetically determined.

Now because my father died of lung cancer even though he hated smokers I am most likely going to die from a genetic- produced lung cancer; in other words, I will be killed by righteous hypochondriac health-nut freaks who are anti-science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delia</p>
<p>Just wait until you find out that those who hate smoking as much as you end up dying from lung cancer anyway.</p>
<p>My father hated smokers yet ended up dying from lung cancer at the age of 68 even after eating all the right foods, maintaining his weight just under normal, meditating, being moderate wine drinker, getting bi-yearly health check-ups, exercising daily, believed he would live to 110, took daily vitamins&#8230;.he did all the correct things for &#8216;healthy living&#8217; yet ended up being diagnosed with stage four terminal lung and died within three months.</p>
<p>Opera singer Beverly Sills died from lung cancer too!</p>
<p>There is a high possibility that most terminal disease is genetic but because of your stupid idea that &#8216;healthy living&#8217; will prevent disease and death we are never going to find cures for those diseases which are genetically determined.</p>
<p>Now because my father died of lung cancer even though he hated smokers I am most likely going to die from a genetic- produced lung cancer; in other words, I will be killed by righteous hypochondriac health-nut freaks who are anti-science.</p>
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		<title>By: Delia</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/in-praise-of-the-nanny-state/#comment-272228</link>
		<dc:creator>Delia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, along the same lines of doing something in someone else&#039;s &#039;presence&#039; that might be harmful or downright rude... 

A. Don&#039;t bleed on someone if you can help it
B. Don&#039;t shoot your load in public at strangers
C. Don&#039;t cough into the air, cough into your arm
D. Don&#039;t spit at people
E. Don&#039;t piss on someone
F. Don&#039;t puke on someone
G. Don&#039;t purposely fart on someone [unless it&#039;s a payback foo-foo]

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, along the same lines of doing something in someone else&#8217;s &#8216;presence&#8217; that might be harmful or downright rude&#8230; </p>
<p>A. Don&#8217;t bleed on someone if you can help it<br />
B. Don&#8217;t shoot your load in public at strangers<br />
C. Don&#8217;t cough into the air, cough into your arm<br />
D. Don&#8217;t spit at people<br />
E. Don&#8217;t piss on someone<br />
F. Don&#8217;t puke on someone<br />
G. Don&#8217;t purposely fart on someone [unless it's a payback foo-foo]</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Delia</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/in-praise-of-the-nanny-state/#comment-272221</link>
		<dc:creator>Delia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>27. Sean:

&quot;A business owner’s right to his PRIVATE property trumps your “right” to enter his PRIVATE property. Can’t stand the smoke, stay out of his PRIVATE property.&quot;
~

What about the children of &#039;smokers&#039; who have no say in all of that, Sean? As someone who was a child of a smoker who was extremely sensitive to cigarette smoke, dust and other allergens, I can tell you from personal experience that people who smoke and don&#039;t give a flying f*ck about people around them who don&#039;t smoke are a-holes. If I drink booze, you don&#039;t have to be forced to drink it with me. My farts might stink if I eek one out in your presense but they won&#039;t kill you or make you break out in hives. Get it, dumb-@ss?

Sorry, but, I&#039;m with Moogster on this one, homey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>27. Sean:</p>
<p>&#8220;A business owner’s right to his PRIVATE property trumps your “right” to enter his PRIVATE property. Can’t stand the smoke, stay out of his PRIVATE property.&#8221;<br />
~</p>
<p>What about the children of &#8216;smokers&#8217; who have no say in all of that, Sean? As someone who was a child of a smoker who was extremely sensitive to cigarette smoke, dust and other allergens, I can tell you from personal experience that people who smoke and don&#8217;t give a flying f*ck about people around them who don&#8217;t smoke are a-holes. If I drink booze, you don&#8217;t have to be forced to drink it with me. My farts might stink if I eek one out in your presense but they won&#8217;t kill you or make you break out in hives. Get it, dumb-@ss?</p>
<p>Sorry, but, I&#8217;m with Moogster on this one, homey.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My right to breath trumps the smoker’s right to pollute. End of discussion. Don’t argue with me about this.&quot;

A business owner&#039;s right to his PRIVATE property trumps your &quot;right&quot; to enter his PRIVATE property.  Can&#039;t stand the smoke, stay out of his PRIVATE property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My right to breath trumps the smoker’s right to pollute. End of discussion. Don’t argue with me about this.&#8221;</p>
<p>A business owner&#8217;s right to his PRIVATE property trumps your &#8220;right&#8221; to enter his PRIVATE property.  Can&#8217;t stand the smoke, stay out of his PRIVATE property.</p>
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