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		<title>By: Charlie (Colorado)</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/in-politics-today-its-all-about-the-narrative/#comment-201920</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie (Colorado)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got behind on this.  Ratatosk, sorry, I didn&#039;t mean to imply the video was a narrative in any but the most limited sense, but instead to show how even a tiny focusing of attention can change perception and bring about a very light trance state.  Marc, you say that attention never induces in you a trance state, and I can&#039;t argue with you.  I can only ask &quot;did you wonder about the moonwalking bear the first time you watched the video?&quot;  If you didn&#039;t notice the moonwalking bear, then I suspect you well might reconsider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got behind on this.  Ratatosk, sorry, I didn&#8217;t mean to imply the video was a narrative in any but the most limited sense, but instead to show how even a tiny focusing of attention can change perception and bring about a very light trance state.  Marc, you say that attention never induces in you a trance state, and I can&#8217;t argue with you.  I can only ask &#8220;did you wonder about the moonwalking bear the first time you watched the video?&#8221;  If you didn&#8217;t notice the moonwalking bear, then I suspect you well might reconsider.</p>
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		<title>By: Ratatosk</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/in-politics-today-its-all-about-the-narrative/#comment-201156</link>
		<dc:creator>Ratatosk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc,

To be sure... we can train ourselves to notice more. We can widen our scope of perception to include more things. However, generally speaking (at least according to neurologists) we are always noticing some things over others, based on what we have trained ourselves to consider most important. Thus, our ancestors were likely trained to consider &#039;sneaking tiger evidence&#039; to be pretty darn important, but might not have noticed the unimportant geko that was hanging out on the tree nearby. 

The survival trait isn&#039;t noticing Eveyrhting... but training your brain to notice things important to survival (in the case of our ancestors or military training).

The average human, though, doesn&#039;t tend to directly train themselves to notice specific things. Instead, it appears that their beliefs and past experiences tend to act as the filtration system. Based on our focus, some data is considered important, some not so much. Thus Al Gore, may really believe that catastrophe is coming... because the data he processes gets filtered. Some guys in the CIA may have fully believed that they had strong evidence of WMD&#039;s, because they were focused on finding that data (and maybe missed the gorilla dancing about). 

I&#039;ve done several different experiements myself to see if I could modify what data I focused on. The results were really interesting. Since those experiements, I&#039;ve been working on training my perception as well :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc,</p>
<p>To be sure&#8230; we can train ourselves to notice more. We can widen our scope of perception to include more things. However, generally speaking (at least according to neurologists) we are always noticing some things over others, based on what we have trained ourselves to consider most important. Thus, our ancestors were likely trained to consider &#8216;sneaking tiger evidence&#8217; to be pretty darn important, but might not have noticed the unimportant geko that was hanging out on the tree nearby. </p>
<p>The survival trait isn&#8217;t noticing Eveyrhting&#8230; but training your brain to notice things important to survival (in the case of our ancestors or military training).</p>
<p>The average human, though, doesn&#8217;t tend to directly train themselves to notice specific things. Instead, it appears that their beliefs and past experiences tend to act as the filtration system. Based on our focus, some data is considered important, some not so much. Thus Al Gore, may really believe that catastrophe is coming&#8230; because the data he processes gets filtered. Some guys in the CIA may have fully believed that they had strong evidence of WMD&#8217;s, because they were focused on finding that data (and maybe missed the gorilla dancing about). </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done several different experiements myself to see if I could modify what data I focused on. The results were really interesting. Since those experiements, I&#8217;ve been working on training my perception as well <img src='http://pjmedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Marc Malone</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/in-politics-today-its-all-about-the-narrative/#comment-200756</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#27 VegasGuy - I understand the term and its precepts, but I don&#039;t acknowledge the validity of the premises.  I don&#039;t enter a trance state when I read or do other things requiring attention.  I&#039;m always aware of time passing.   I hear what goes on around me.  I can think of other things at the same time.  I file away things for future doings. When I read, I dissect what I read and consider arguments for and against whilst continuing to read.  Shoot, I&#039;m even aware of my surroundings during sex.  It&#039;s almost impossible to sneak up on me.  My mind is always on.  As a result, time moves very, very slowly for me.  Always has.  The days and years don&#039;t fly by for me.

  Anyone can do it.  They simply don&#039;t because they&#039;ve allowed their minds to atrophy, or they&#039;ve just never trained their minds.  Weak minds.  They just need to pump some mental iron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#27 VegasGuy &#8211; I understand the term and its precepts, but I don&#8217;t acknowledge the validity of the premises.  I don&#8217;t enter a trance state when I read or do other things requiring attention.  I&#8217;m always aware of time passing.   I hear what goes on around me.  I can think of other things at the same time.  I file away things for future doings. When I read, I dissect what I read and consider arguments for and against whilst continuing to read.  Shoot, I&#8217;m even aware of my surroundings during sex.  It&#8217;s almost impossible to sneak up on me.  My mind is always on.  As a result, time moves very, very slowly for me.  Always has.  The days and years don&#8217;t fly by for me.</p>
<p>  Anyone can do it.  They simply don&#8217;t because they&#8217;ve allowed their minds to atrophy, or they&#8217;ve just never trained their minds.  Weak minds.  They just need to pump some mental iron.</p>
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		<title>By: VegasGuy</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/in-politics-today-its-all-about-the-narrative/#comment-200418</link>
		<dc:creator>VegasGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Trance state&quot; is a condition of reduced awareness, of not being in the moment. We enter a trance whenever we read, or watch a visual presentation, or become engrossed in a conversation. Other existing stimulae are &quot;tuned out&quot;. This mental condition provides a receptive basis for manipulation. See &quot;neuro-linguistic programming&quot; for a powerful example of how to create a new perception of &quot;reality&quot; and thus alter behavior.

A narrative is a story with intent, another tool for manipulation. It need not be factual, or even pretend to be factual. It just needs to be effective, which is measured by how many of the audience buy into the underlying message and incorporate it into their &quot;reality&quot; - usually without appreciating that there *is* a message. Narratives gain from repetition and variations on the theme. Think MSM coverage of war, or Bush, or Obama. Think advertising. Think oratory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Trance state&#8221; is a condition of reduced awareness, of not being in the moment. We enter a trance whenever we read, or watch a visual presentation, or become engrossed in a conversation. Other existing stimulae are &#8220;tuned out&#8221;. This mental condition provides a receptive basis for manipulation. See &#8220;neuro-linguistic programming&#8221; for a powerful example of how to create a new perception of &#8220;reality&#8221; and thus alter behavior.</p>
<p>A narrative is a story with intent, another tool for manipulation. It need not be factual, or even pretend to be factual. It just needs to be effective, which is measured by how many of the audience buy into the underlying message and incorporate it into their &#8220;reality&#8221; &#8211; usually without appreciating that there *is* a message. Narratives gain from repetition and variations on the theme. Think MSM coverage of war, or Bush, or Obama. Think advertising. Think oratory.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Malone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#25 Ratatosk - I disagree.  It is not merely a brain function.  It is the sign of an atrophied mind.  One need not concentrate to the exclusion of all else to do the task.  We&#039;re just not used to using our whole minds.  History has demonstrated that the soldiers who survive combat are the most noticing of details.  They see the whole field.  They notice details.  Same for pilots.  It&#039;s called situational awareness.   Our ancestors had this ability or died.

  It is a matter of training or exercising the mind.  Men who grow up hunting in the woods tend to develop this ability.  People who have great senses of direction have this ability.  They simply notice everything.  My ex is like that.  Show her a place once, and she can always find her way there again.  My eldest daughter is the same way.  My younger daughter is more like me; too cerebral.  We get lost in our thoughts rather than see the world around us.  I&#039;m much better at it now, after I focussed on it for a time.  My younger daughter is now also learning.

  2nd Looies in the Army are known for this lack.  It&#039;s why they have such a high mortality rate in combat.  They&#039;re up front and lost; thinking too much and seeing too little.  People who get into this trance state are really just straining to think and not seeing.  People listening to propoganda are lost in the rhythms of the message and not thinking about the message.  They&#039;re not seeing with their minds; just going with the flow.  These are simply weak minds.

  Interestingly, when I took the ASVAB (military entrance test) at 17, I got a 138 out of 148.  The few &#039;Nam vets I met who had decided to re-enter the military, had almost universally perfect scores.  The test designers sure knew what they were doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#25 Ratatosk &#8211; I disagree.  It is not merely a brain function.  It is the sign of an atrophied mind.  One need not concentrate to the exclusion of all else to do the task.  We&#8217;re just not used to using our whole minds.  History has demonstrated that the soldiers who survive combat are the most noticing of details.  They see the whole field.  They notice details.  Same for pilots.  It&#8217;s called situational awareness.   Our ancestors had this ability or died.</p>
<p>  It is a matter of training or exercising the mind.  Men who grow up hunting in the woods tend to develop this ability.  People who have great senses of direction have this ability.  They simply notice everything.  My ex is like that.  Show her a place once, and she can always find her way there again.  My eldest daughter is the same way.  My younger daughter is more like me; too cerebral.  We get lost in our thoughts rather than see the world around us.  I&#8217;m much better at it now, after I focussed on it for a time.  My younger daughter is now also learning.</p>
<p>  2nd Looies in the Army are known for this lack.  It&#8217;s why they have such a high mortality rate in combat.  They&#8217;re up front and lost; thinking too much and seeing too little.  People who get into this trance state are really just straining to think and not seeing.  People listening to propoganda are lost in the rhythms of the message and not thinking about the message.  They&#8217;re not seeing with their minds; just going with the flow.  These are simply weak minds.</p>
<p>  Interestingly, when I took the ASVAB (military entrance test) at 17, I got a 138 out of 148.  The few &#8216;Nam vets I met who had decided to re-enter the military, had almost universally perfect scores.  The test designers sure knew what they were doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ratatosk</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/in-politics-today-its-all-about-the-narrative/#comment-200035</link>
		<dc:creator>Ratatosk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie,

One minor quibble:

I disagree that the video is showing a narrative. Rather its an example of selective information processing. IE, our brain is busy processing data X, since &quot;bear doing the moonwalk&quot; is not part of the data to be processed, it gets ignored by the conscious bits of our brain... this is a sort of automated process our brain does all the time. &quot;Process important data/Immaterial data falls through cracks&quot;

A better example of a narrative, is the huge success of the first Intifada. The tribal leaders in Palestine made sure that anytime any reporter was near... they saw Armed Israelis vs Pali kids throwing rocks. They controlled the narrative, the story seen by the world was &quot;helpless&quot; vs. &quot;Powerful&quot;. That&#039;s why Israel had such a problem with PR during that time... they weren&#039;t in control of the narrative.

This past time, however, they were, for the most part in control of the narrative... thus we heard much more about rocket launches aimed at civilians, or Hamas thugs in control of civilian buildings etc.

Overall though, I thought your article was great.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie,</p>
<p>One minor quibble:</p>
<p>I disagree that the video is showing a narrative. Rather its an example of selective information processing. IE, our brain is busy processing data X, since &#8220;bear doing the moonwalk&#8221; is not part of the data to be processed, it gets ignored by the conscious bits of our brain&#8230; this is a sort of automated process our brain does all the time. &#8220;Process important data/Immaterial data falls through cracks&#8221;</p>
<p>A better example of a narrative, is the huge success of the first Intifada. The tribal leaders in Palestine made sure that anytime any reporter was near&#8230; they saw Armed Israelis vs Pali kids throwing rocks. They controlled the narrative, the story seen by the world was &#8220;helpless&#8221; vs. &#8220;Powerful&#8221;. That&#8217;s why Israel had such a problem with PR during that time&#8230; they weren&#8217;t in control of the narrative.</p>
<p>This past time, however, they were, for the most part in control of the narrative&#8230; thus we heard much more about rocket launches aimed at civilians, or Hamas thugs in control of civilian buildings etc.</p>
<p>Overall though, I thought your article was great.  <img src='http://pjmedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Charlie (Colorado)</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/in-politics-today-its-all-about-the-narrative/#comment-199741</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie (Colorado)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, mister man, I give up.  What *are* you talking about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, mister man, I give up.  What *are* you talking about?</p>
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		<title>By: mister man</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/in-politics-today-its-all-about-the-narrative/#comment-199199</link>
		<dc:creator>mister man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s one: There&#039;s no mention of 72 virgins in The Koran. Here&#039;s another:  Islam is the biggest religious denomination on earth (overtook the Pope and his boys in 2008 - 19.2% to 17.4%., which is just as well, since the Pope, a former Hitler youth, just  reinstated a bishop who is a Holocaust denier. I&#039;m not so sure we should have direct talks between the US and The Vatican without some serious preconditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s one: There&#8217;s no mention of 72 virgins in The Koran. Here&#8217;s another:  Islam is the biggest religious denomination on earth (overtook the Pope and his boys in 2008 &#8211; 19.2% to 17.4%., which is just as well, since the Pope, a former Hitler youth, just  reinstated a bishop who is a Holocaust denier. I&#8217;m not so sure we should have direct talks between the US and The Vatican without some serious preconditions.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie (Colorado)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie (Colorado)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, look up &quot;trance state&quot;.  Concentration to the extent that other similar stimuli are not perceived is exactly a trance state.  It&#039;s just that people incorrectly think that trance is a new age woowoo with arms outstretched and Dr Svengali, eyes blazing, making mystical passes.

Danny, I think you&#039;re correct --- breaking out of a familiar mindset is difficult, and as the old joke goes, &quot;the lightbulb has got to want to change.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, look up &#8220;trance state&#8221;.  Concentration to the extent that other similar stimuli are not perceived is exactly a trance state.  It&#8217;s just that people incorrectly think that trance is a new age woowoo with arms outstretched and Dr Svengali, eyes blazing, making mystical passes.</p>
<p>Danny, I think you&#8217;re correct &#8212; breaking out of a familiar mindset is difficult, and as the old joke goes, &#8220;the lightbulb has got to want to change.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Cybergeezer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cybergeezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So; This is all very interesting. Anyone have commentary on the Islamic narrative?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So; This is all very interesting. Anyone have commentary on the Islamic narrative?</p>
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