In Norway, an Awakening to the Islamist Danger
In terms of values, 2010 was a red-letter year for Norway. Our innocence was destroyed. From one end of the country to the other, and in no uncertain terms, Islamists proclaimed their sinister message. Henceforth, only those in deep denial will insist that our freedom is not endangered. And only true innocents will fail to grasp that we are headed for a raging conflict about values.
It all started at the same spot where Quisling and his followers held rallies in the 1930s. Around 3,000 people filled University Square in Oslo on February 12, 2010, many of them dressed just like Muhammed himself – a long coat, baggy, ankle-high pants, and a head covering, plus full beard. In the gravest of tones, they articulated their contempt for the society that has given them so many benefits. The threat of a new September 11 on Norwegian soil, issued by Mohyeldeen Mohammed (who had studied sharia in Medina), marked the end of one era and the beginning of a new one.
It continued with the growing influence of Islam Net at Oslo University College. Over the course of only two years, the group has managed to acquire over 1,200 paying members and is now the largest Muslim student organization in the country. The only positive thing that can be said about Islam Net is that it doesn’t hide its objective: a society living under the Koran and sharia. One of these students’ ideological heroes is Zakir Naik, who preaches hate and terror and is considered so extreme that he is not permitted to enter either Britain or Canada.
In 2010, Islamism also manifested itself in the Paris of the North. With Saudi sponsorship to the tune of 20 million kroner, a Muslim congregation called Alnor planned to build a gigantic mosque in Tromsø. The Tromsø newspaper Nordlys (Northern Lights) shone an intense spotlight on the project and uncovered the fact that one of Alnor’s front men, who is the husband of Alnor’s leader, convert Sandra Maryam Moe, had taken part in terrorist training with the radical organization Jemaah Islamiah, which is considered to be responsible for the 2002 Bali bombings.
In collaboration with Islam Net, Alnor also arranged a nationwide “revival tour” last summer. The revivalists took their message as far north as the North Cape.
And as if all this weren’t enough, Norwegian state television, NRK, revealed that the despots in Teheran are sending imams to Norway to prepare Norwegian Muslims to commit terrorist acts on Norwegian soil.
But it isn’t terror that is the greatest threat to our society. The terrorists are few in number. The Islamists aren’t. On the contrary, they’re a large and growing group who seek nothing less than to transform our society’s values. The organized Islamists are winning ground especially among younger people. Three studies are worth mentioning here. Among 15-year-old German Muslims, 40 percent believe that Islam is more important than democracy, while 37 percent want sharia law to apply to European Muslims.
In Britain, 28 percent of all Muslims want the British Isles to be ruled by sharia. Here’s the really serious part: while “only” 17 percent of those over 55 want sharia, no fewer than 37 percent of British Muslims aged 16–24 embrace it. And now for the scariest statistic of all, which brings us back to Islam Net at Oslo University College: 40 percent of Muslim university students in Britain are “strong or relatively strong” in their support for a sharia-run Britain. One in three believes it is legitimate to kill in the name of Islam.
For all this, however, Norway’s political leaders remain stuck in the assumption that education and employment lead to integration. The truth is the opposite: it’s mostly among the well-educated that you can find radical views. Yes, education is all well and good, but it’s no guarantor of integration — a somber fact to have to admit. Well educated Muslims are often very aware of their distinct Muslim identity, and work actively to further separate their fellow Muslims from mainstream society and its values.
I believe that this decade will be decisive for Norway’s future — and for that of Europe generally. The question is: will we manage to stand up to the open Islamization and force it into retreat, or will the Islamization of Europe continue?
If we manage to defeat Islamism, we will need, above all, political leaders who understand the forces that have put down deep roots in our society, who openly acknowledge what is going on, and who take action to stop it. We must lead with an assimilation policy that leaves no doubt as to which of our values are non-negotiable: sexual equality, equality of all individuals regardless of ethnic, religious, social, tribal, clan, or caste background, religious freedom (including the right to renounce a religion), and the freedom that is the very foundation of our free society, namely freedom of expression. Everyone, including members of offbeat Christian sects, should be expected to assimilate into these values.
A great many Persians who fled from despotism under Ayatollah Khomeini are role models in this regard. They fled tyranny and were assimilated into our society’s values when they came here. They have become full-fledged members of mainstream Norwegian culture and full participants in our society, even as they remain highly conscious of their Persian identity and usually celebrate Persian New Year.
Our government is steered by multiculturalism, an ideology that is now rejected by major European politicians such as Angela Merkel. This ideology has failed and has created conditions favorable to Islamization. What is it that holds a nation together? What is it that made possible the nation established in our Constitution at Eidsvoll in 1814? Our leaders seem to have forgotten the answer to these questions; namely, that modern Norway was established by a single people with a common culture rooted in Christianity, a people who were able to unite around a shared set of beliefs.
A community based in mutual trust — on belonging. This is what we’re losing.The greater the number of Muslims who turn their back on Norway, the more intense the division and mistrust that will arise between groups.
Aftenposten’s Ingunn Økland recently asked a timely question: how many faceless women will have to appear in public before the politicians set them free? Why is it that a precautionary principle governs our environmental policy but not our policy relating to integration and democratic values?
We need politicians who show genuine love and reverence for Norway’s core values, and who act upon that love and reverence by instituting the following measures:
- Identify the ideological foundations of Muslim religious communities. Those that are also political should be treated politically and should thus not receive government support. (In Norway, religious institutions are funded by the state.) Today, Norwegian taxpayers are financing institutions that are working intensely to liquidate democracy and replace it with sharia. Macabre, but undeniably true.
- Reject special demands — they’re always indulged at the cost of freedom, especially the freedom of the most vulnerable.
- Let all grade-school girls’ hair flow freely. The Islamists will go berserk.
- Get rid of the “mobile prisons” — that is to say, the burka and niqab.
- Halt all integration support to religious and ethnic groups and channel the money instead into shared social activities — especially those designed for children.
- Stop engaging mosques in well-meant “dialogue.” Muslims are, above all, human beings, not religious objects.
Greco-Roman civilization, wrote the historian Arnold J. Toynbee, “died not by murder, but by suicide.”If we want to prevent the demise of Western civilization, we need leaders who will steer us away from the path to self-destruction and toward a future of equality and liberty for all.
This article, translated from the Norwegian by Bruce Bawer, appeared originally in Aftenposten.
Toynbee was right and now, because of bankrupt immigration policies you have only 2 choices which are equally pitiful: wholesale deportations or a culture war that will last for decades with unknown casualties.
If Norway had a king and I were he, I’d start shipping out muslims faster than you could say Poul Anderson.
This was a very encouraging article…. but what took them so long to wake up? Is this is what’s in store for the US and other Western democracies if we continue to allow the left to call the shots? Think the Norwegians will have the backbone to implement deportations? I think not. They’ve been glaring at Christians and Jews and all the while Muslims are sneaking up from behind with a knife in their teeth. The US is already suffering the culture war with mounting (unknown) casualties…. as is just about all of Europe and the UK.
Well, if you believe Hege Storhaugs description of Norwegian reality, I have a bridge to sell you. The fact of the matter is that the integration is going very well, with muslim women being over-represented in medical studies and other, with muslim children and others going to the same kindergardens, with muslim (and christian) private schools being actively discouraged, and with an increased dialogue between the religious and non-religious elements within the muslim community. Nobody is advocating sharia law in Norway, except for the muslim version of Jehovas Witnesses, Hizb-ut-Tahrir wich number about 50-100 people.
Its true that not everything is going perfect, and that there are cultural conflicts. But Hege Storhaugs attempt at creating a enemy out of a whole group of religious people is just plain wrong. Y`all might want to check out her links to the danish “anti-jihadis” who march together with former nazis. Or her work with O.J. Anfindsen, who advocates a “White self-rule” policy and a “genetical sustainability” policy for the “white race”. Just saying.
You discredited yourself with the allegation that the writer is a nazi and a white supremist. That accusation is soooooo old it no long holds its sting. Leftists have over used that arrow.
Furthermore, you must have missed the memo that the arabs, themselves, have declared they will take over (violently) Europe in 2030 – by which time their population bomb will have reached critical mass.
Ayman Zawahiri is a doctor so I don’t see the significance of your comment about Muslim women.
You have failed to respond to the surveys in the article, Ackerman’s links, or the myriad reports of Europeans cowering before their Muslim populations’ sensibilities that we have become used to.
You will lose your head last.
“Well, if you believe Hege Storhaugs description of Norwegian reality, I have a bridge to sell you.”
Her credentials are well known. What are yours?
http://www.brucebawer.com/storhaug.htm
Hege Storhaug: Fighting for Human Rights in Norway
“Many Americans have now heard of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the outspoken Somali-born Dutch politician and writer – now living in Washington, D.C. – who has stood up bravely for the rights of women and children and for the preservation of secular freedoms in an increasingly fundamentalist Muslim Europe.
Fewer have heard of Hege Storhaug, who for many years has been fighting the same fight in Norway. She is co-founder and information director of Human Rights Service, a non-partisan think tank in Oslo that studies problems arising out of Norway’s ethnic and religious diversity – especially those affecting Muslim women and children whose rights are denied to them by the imams and family patriarchs that run their communities – and proposes policy changes. HRS, which Storhaug founded with her partner, Rita Karlsen, in 2001, has focused public attention on such widespread phenomena as forced marriage, honor killing, female genital mutilation (a brutal procedure performed on small girls in many immigrant communities), divorce rights (a Muslim man can divorce his wife at will, while a Muslim wife seeking divorce is subjected by sharia law to a long, drawn-out procedure which may or may not go her way), the abuse of immigration laws, and the sending of Norwegian Muslim children to their parents’ homelands to attend primitive schools where they learn only about the Koran.
HRS has trained a spotlight on these problems – and challenged politicians and bureaucrats to take action.
Read it all …
Wake up Islam is no religion, it is simply a totalitarian form of government. I do not know of another or so called religion that teaches it`s people it is okay to lie and kill people that do not believe in their bullsh-t. Islam is a cancer, and to stop cancer you need to use radiation treatments, so lets nuke them!
“we need leaders who will steer us away from the path to self-destruction and toward a future of equality and liberty for all.”
Yea…like whom? All western “leaders are either cowards or so unhinged by the PC BS dogma…that they are little to be confided in or trusted with out future survival. The reality is this….western democracies must now…realize that so called “assimilation” is a failure. That exclusion and a war based on political realities for our very survival is a reality. Not accepting that is the same as ignoring Hiller’s war against humanity.
This is what Muslims want and expect…a total fight and Armageddon waged war against freedom.
Choose….now. Islam is the enemy of civilized peoples.
Choose a side…..pick a
It could not be said any better – I agree totally !
Oh, the integration is going really well is it?
Moslem and Norwegian children doesn’t play alongside each other in kindergarten or school. On the eastern side of Oslo, where the largest number of moslem immigrants in norway live, norwegians are moving out in droves and the schools and kindergartens are massively predominant moslem.
Even the PC elite doesn’t want to live in the immigrant dense part of town. Our esteemed Socialist Left party minister, Erik Solheim, quietly moved to a white part of town when his kids got old enough to start school.
Some schools in Oslo did not have a single Norwegian child entering first grade last year.
When it got apparent that anti-semitism was becoming a problem again after the violent anti-Israel demonstrations in Oslo (Shouts of: Kill the Jews, Allahu akbar) and the documentation of the fierce jew-hatred among moslem immigrants, the ministry of education set down a committee to address the matter. The finished report, naturally, tried to say as little as possible and to the extent it stated anything focused on anti-moslem harassment. Interestingly, they found that *all* jewish children/youths had been harassed because of them being jewish, moslem children/youths knew of plenty of harassment to others, but *none* of them had experienced it themselves. They didn’t dwell on this little tidbit though..
Pointing out that moslem women are over-represented in medical school doesn’t help your argument, when the point of the article is that it is just the highly educated that predominantly turns towards islamism. You forgot to mention Mohamad Usman Rana, medical student (graduated now I think) and leader of the Moslem Student association. He’s an active participant in the public discourse and won an award from the largest newspaper in Norway. When he was asked whether he supported the death penalty for homosexuality, he declined to answer. After a couple of days he answered in the best Tariq Ramadan tradition by stating that as a Norwegian moslem, he was totally against the death penalty for homosexuality. No one asked him the obvious follow up on whether that answer might be different if he answered as something else than “Norwegian”.
you fin liar ,you need a wake up call from the edl bitch
Islam literally means submission ,and no other religions are tolerated for long wimp
Reply to call me roy #37 and #43 – wollie cutter + others
I agree. “Diversity” and “political Correctness” is going to be our down fall in America if we do not reign these ‘slogans’ in. Islam knows how to use this against ‘so called democracies’ Peaceful muslums in America are going to have to step up to the plate and denounce any Radical elements they see as a threat to the Liberties we have here.
It is hard to determine who is who when it come to this “political movement” disguised as a “religion” and I think that is “key” to any fight anyone has against this intrusion. And the fact which has been distorted over he last 40 years, is we are a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy.
If you’re a ‘feeler’ and ‘emotional’ as those who are on the Left usually are. They pose as much a threat as the ‘Radical Islams’. This is primarily because the Left decry’s the Right’s ‘sense’ of danger. And this ‘sense’ of “Danger” is interpreted by the Left as ‘bigotry’ ‘Racism’ and being ‘against freedom of ‘religion’ (when in fact RD/Sharia is not a religion at all but a ‘political by product’ of Islam). Of course the ‘labels’ are used in order to ‘shut those who have the sense of danger (opposition) up’.
Funny, Christianity does not call for its followers to go out and murder and maim those who do not believe. Yet Christians (although not perfect) are scourged more than a political movement who’s core emphasis is to oppress and murder infidels – non believers. Peaceful Islam ? I think not!
In light of what we know about this ‘snake’ – called religion by many, I will take the side of extreme scrutiny and caution…
Faith7,
I agree with your sentiments with one exception. It IS a religion. But it’s also a political movement…. all in one. That’s what a Theocracy is…. No separation of Church and State. It’s not the first one to challenge Western values in America. We’ve seen this before with the Mormon religion. It does little good, in my opinion, to argue it’s not a religion. Your argument, even well made, will fall on deaf ears. They claim they are a religion so as to hide behind the protections we Westerners afford all religions. We need to rethink our “tolerance” of such an “intolerant” religion. Islam must change… or be defeated. The left is swallowing their subterfuge hook, line and sinker. Anyone who hates the conservative view is perceived as a friend to the Leftist. All the while, Islamists will hate their Women, their Homosexuals, their Atheists, their Hispanics, their Blacks (unless they are Black Muslim), etc…. but will quietly ally themselves with them until they are in a position to put a stop to all of them. And when they are in that position, they won’t be gentle or sensitive about how they go about it.
Poul Anderson – Det var som fanden !
Not as well known as Heinlein, but just as passionate a lover
of freedom, in his quiet, world-weary way; I wonder if he was
the one who suggested the name of the starship owned by the
Free Traders in ‘Citizen of the Galaxy’: Sisu.
Reportedly Heinlein was an admirer of the Finns against the Soviets in 1940 and Sisu actually was semi-Anglicized for awhile because of it.
I don’t really care whether this woman is a card carrying Nazi or not. Muslims have no business in Europe cuz it’s all a one way street. If Europeans and Americans had reciprocity in such matters that’d be different but the West is staying home and the Third World is not.
You can’t make a cake by leaving the kitchen and Third World peoples have to learn to stay put and fight to make their countries better. Although the conflicts with Islam within the West may well be exaggerated there is no doubt in my mind that multiculturalism is a debauched idea as is the myth that America was ever a “melting pot” in the true sense of the term.
The Third World has their own countries to amply express their cultures; if they don’t have the brains to make them nice places it’s too bad. America is not an airport or some social experiment whose goal is to reflect the U.N. demographically.
Latinos and muslims and Africans have many countries in which to be themselves and there is only one America and I like it the way it is/was and no, I don’t want to share. Being able to speak Spanish on the streets of Minneapolis everyday which one couldn’t do by any means 20 years ago is not diversity it’s stupidity.
Minnesota is a long way from Mexico and Latinos and muslims have no more business spreading themselves around the world in their millions than Americans would coming in their millions to the middle east or South America. Arabs went nuts when only a couple hundred thousand Jews landed in Palestine – why should they enjoy a double standard they themselves would never offer? My state is not a host for the aspirations of the Third World nor should it be asked to. We didn’t build up a great society for johnnie-come-lately’s to swarm in and settle in backed up by morons like The National Council of La Raza or CAIR.
“Reportedly Heinlein was an admirer of the Finns against the Soviets in 1940″
And understandably so. A small nation stands up to invasion by the communist USSR and defeats them soundly.
Yes, it was the USSR that invaded Finland, not the other way around as is now often hinted at by the communist sympathisers who want to portray Finland as Nazis trying to backstab the nice friendly USSR.
And the USSR invaded Finland again a few years later, with the western allies unwilling to support Finland against their agressor because they didn’t want to loose the Soviets’ support against Germany, leaving Finland with only a single place to turn for help, Nazi Germany.
They wouldn’t have done so because they liked the Germans, but because they needed the help in order to survive, help the western democracies (and Nazi sympathetic Sweden) were unwilling to provide.
I missed your post; thus the late reply.
As much as I dislike the Swedes today, I must admit that they helped Finland both with soldiers and arms. They took all Finnish kids sent to them as ‘war orphans’. Finland was under Swedish rule for hundreds of years, and those ties were never broken as much as the Finns hate the Swedes and the Swedes hate the Finns.
It’s going to be the Sisu that will end this nightmare in Finland, Sweden and especially Norway one day. Norwegians will not tale the Muslim crap forever, and they, unlike the Swedes, posses plenty of guns. It’s not going to be pleasant, but the Muslims are begging for it.
James, you have said all that needs to be said. Its us or them. Those who believe in assimilation are only fooling themselves.
Mohamed himself decreed that Muslims should fight until the whole world is under Islam; Muslims continue to tell us that such is their goal, yet our “elites” refuse to listen and continue to speak the nonsense of “assimilation”. The choices you list are obvious to anyone who looks at the situation honestly. Let the deportations begin.
Absolutely right. Its time to expose the Muslims for who they really are.
this historic Israel National Radio interview exposes Islam (and Arabs) as the blood descendants of Baal worshipers who retained their “religious practices” but under the guise of a monotheistic religion. Fascinating.
http://www.marcrubin.com/judean-eve.ivnu
Well said, Ive said this fora long time now. They are visciuos violent manipulative and radica. They will not stop until they will overtake each country.
The socialist left is the great indoor danger for it welcomes these lot with open arms. War will come, one day. Because the cultures and people are beginning to wake up
It’s been extremely frustrating to stand by witness the stunning naivete and even willful blindness of the Scandinavian governments. Most especially the Swedes with their insane suicidal immigration policies.
Scandinavian governments have long been drunk on utopian wishful thinking and extremely arrogant in their imposition of it upon their peoples. It appears that the people are finally waking up to the fact that their way of life is in danger. More and more people are speaking out in blogs on the internet. Increasingly, people are resisting government efforts to censor and persecute free speech. More and more and supporting opposition political parties which, very much like the Tea Party, have been smeared by an agenda driven media a racists and Nazi and whatever derogatory means possible.
Let’s hope that the scales have finally fallen off Scandinavian eyes! And lets stand with them on this front against Islamic encroachment on Western civilization.
The latest multicultural fun in Malmö, Sweden:
“A Swedish Celebration of Diversity”
“Police are not sure what triggered the tensions, but hope that the violence is a temporary break in last year’s trend of increased stability, less vandalism, fewer confrontations, fires and attacks”
dhimmitude at work.
Norway is done!
The fact that they’re still importing more Muslim invaders after all the crap the Muslims are causing in the once-beautiful nation is beyond comprehension.
Like I posted yesterday, they can’t even decide whether or not to ban a Muslim terrorist organization – Hizb ut-Tahrir – spreading in Norway [ http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10021314 ]. Nor are they able to deport their Muslim terrorists – the mullah Krekar POS comes to mind. [ http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10029067 ]
Imagine, 100 % of rapes in Oslo are committed by “foreigners.”
All the gangs are Muslim … the A gang, the B gang …
Oslo will be majority Muslim in a few years, and Gronland already is a Muslim-only zone.
Hvordan sier man “stupid people” på norsk?
It’s not over until it’s over.
The surrender monkeys posting here are an embarrassment.
In that case, it’s OVER!
Karl XII went all the way to Turkey to quash these vermin many centuries ago. Now they have invited them into their living rooms with PC/MC verve for the last 50 years. DONE!
The fact is that the current breeding rate and continuing import of criminal Muslims will do the trick. Oslo will be Muslim majority in 15 years. How about that?
The police is unable to control the Muslim drug business, not to mention prevent rape of native Norwegian women and girls.
Tim: You have no idea what you are talking about. The main perps of drug business are the russians and the kosovos, with pure lilly-white Hells Angels/Bandidos acting as couriers. Same with prostitution. The pakistani gangs are mostly into Cocain and soft drugs, as well as loansharking and so on.
The numbers of rapes and violence in Norway is laughably small compared to the US, even though we all have acess to guns. Go figure.
Ackerman, do you like lying? Oslo is about 8% muslim at the moment, and is quite steady in that number. The number one and two drug-problems in Oslo are the russians and the kosovars, with Hells Angels in 3d. The numbers for rapes and violence per person is laughably small compared to the US.
You see, if you only read other peoples lies and halftruths, you end up looking like a bigoted fool. Come on over and see for yourself.
I’ve actually lived there, both in Ås and Haugesund. In addition, I read the main Norwegian online papers daily in Norwegian.
As to the rapes in Norway, it does not matter how low the number is – I was talking about the rate.
As to drugs, prior to current Russian mafia (or the biker gangs), who run the whole business?
Please do not change your handle so often, I’m getting dizzy.
As to the last gay parade you participated in, care too elaborate why the parade went through Grønland ? Tell us more about the Muslim morality ‘police’ patrolling the streets of Grønland.
http://www.newsinenglish.no/2009/01/13/outcry-over-oslos-ownmuslim-morality-police/
And this is Aftenposten!
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article3456633.ece
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article3457289.ece
It’s pretty rich accusing someone of lying while lying yourself. Oslo is absolutely not only 8% muslim. The official number of non-western immigrants living in Oslo is 20%, the vast majority of these are muslim.
The number is not steady either, it’s increasing.
“You see, if you only read other peoples lies and halftruths, you end up looking like a bigoted fool. Come on over and see for yourself.”
Well, I live here, hence your fallacious argument technique does not apply to me. No?
Gronland a muslim-only zone? Damn, I live 500 meters away from there and im 190, blond, and aryan as they come. The gay parade went through there this year without incident, a lot of my white poor friends live there. Why do you write direct untruths, Ackerman?
Amen.
Ms. Storhaug:
I admire your bravery in fighting these Islamists, but….
So long as the Norwegian elite focus their hatred on Israel and Jews – and there is no doubt that your leftist parties and your news media, dominated by the left, think of Jews as the real enemy, they will do nothing to stop the Islamists. In fact, they will see these radicals as friends and allies against the real enemy – the evil Zionist Jooooooos.
The Scandinavians (and Finland) are not importing Muslim because they hate the evil Joooos. The population does not want them; the few politicians do, mostly due to asinine EU treaties.
Tim,
Whether the people want Islamic immigration in Europe or not is irrelevant, because Europe is run by a left-wing elitist oligarchy. In effect, they are the new fedual lords, and the average European is the serf.
Europe may have democracy in form, but not in substance. There is no challenging the politically correct, Marxist, Multi-culti agenda of the European elites. If you challenge it, you are charged with hate speech and jailed.
Having said that, polls show that Norwegians, like most Europeans, have completely drunken the Marxo-Islamist kool-aid when it comes to Israel and wish her dead. Quisling would be right at home in today’s Norway.
The left will continue to press for understanding, outreach, and accommodation, looking askance at the gathering storm, until they wake up one day and find the knife at their own throats.
Snake Pliskin?
I heard you were dead.
Rumors of my demise are greatly exaggerated.
The appeal of Sharia to the young lies in its clear set of rules, its demand that adherents obey those rules and the harsh punishments that follow disobedience. These conditions create a climate of trust. The fact that it is cruel, misogynist and irrational is beside the point. It gives the young something they really need – safety within a clearly defined group and hence an identity.
Readers of Nicholas Wade’s “The Faith Instinct” will recall that it is homogeneous societies that prosper because of the trust that ensues from a common set of values. Prosperity requires low transaction costs. Heavy transaction costs caused by lying, cheating and fraud are the reason for the Fannie Mae, Freddy Mac melt down and the reason trillions of dollars are sitting on the sidelines. The trust has gone.
Multicultural societies assume that the members of the composite cultures share common values. Nothing could be further from the truth. The verbal civil war raging in the US even among people of the same ethnic background is evidence of this.
Since all countries now are multi-ethnic, the old homogeneity grounded in common ancestry and religion is no longer possible. Western countries do not accept ethnic cleansing as a solution. That means that countries which wish to survive must develop a set of secular values, such as embodied in the US constitution, that all are required to support. These values must carry penalties when they are abrogated.
In effect, the west must build countries of the willing. The days of being able to free ride on a society merely because you are a citizen are coming to an end. In the market states of the twenty-first century, individuals will be given opportunities which they must earn with loyalty, truthfulness and industry.
This is one of the most perceptive statements I have read in a long time. If you have written anything else, I would like to read it.
Well said. It always comes down to values, doesn’t it?
But it’s not only necessary for a society to have cohesive values, it must have right values. A society which uniformly values lying, murder, etc., will not only not prosper, it will not long survive.
Hmmm. Did I just hear a libertarian muttering something about not being able to legislate morality?
In truth, as our Founders recognized, a free and prosperous society is dependent on morality.
I sincerely hope it’s not too late for Norway to defeat the threat of Islam. However, to do so will require a huge awakening in the populace that will move them to throw off the shackles of political correctness and faux “tolerance”.
There is no virtue in tolerating evil.
Wanting Muslims to become Norwegians isn’t tolerating their diversity. Not that Norway should tolerate it, but I believe it is the official position.
I suppose it’s disappointing that Muslims in Norway can’t become full post-modernist, atheistic EUropeans. Oh, wait. No it’s not. Why would they or anyone aspire to such a horrible goal?
If Norway’s Muslims are more than a minor threat, then Norwegians must decide what they believe in and act accordingly. They can’t believe in “Norway.” That would be fascistic nationalism. They can’t believe in Christianity. That’d be… so medieval. I hope they can’t believe in atheistic socialism (all hail the Norwegian SSR!). Is anything Left?
“Is there anything left”
Only cultural suicide.
Is anything left? Yup, multicultural humanism, freedom of religion and freedom from persecution. Social democracy and a functioning welfare state. That wasnt so hard, was it?
Freedom isn’t free.
Those Islamist groups in question are using those very freedoms you list to topple our way of life. And more of the same (more tolerance, more funds, more bending of the rules for special pops) isn’t going to cut it any longer.
What’s the plan to keep the freedoms you value? Because doing nothing ends in destruction.
Norweigian: With the native Euopean birth dearth, it is only a matter of time before all of the following disappears along with the Europeans: multicultural humanism, freedom of religion and freedom from persecution, social democracy and a functioning welfare state. The number of Muslim states that approach that ideal can be counted on the fingers of no hands.
Sure, that’s what the Muslims want. Keep telling yourself that and ignore all evidence to the contrary.
I will laugh and think of your comments as Sharia Law is implemented.
Good luck in the Caliphate.
Well, Norwegian, it’s your country. You know it better than we, so maybe your not whistling past the graveyard. Perhaps Norway will be the exception to the generic islamic refusal to integrate their beliefs into their new countries traditional society.
I’ve been to Norway. Nice place. Nice people. But that was long ago – over 25 years ago. Just before the cold war with communism ended, and just before the new cultural war with Islam really kicked off.
I hope that your country does buck the trend painlessly and peacefully.
But that’s not the way things seem to generally be playing out in the western democracies. The more socialist the country, the more trouble they seem to be having with it.
Kumbaya is not a word in the barbarian lexigon. So if the barbarians do come over the walls there, (or more accurately given what you say is happening in Norway, out of the woodwork within the walls), an appeal to multicultural humanism, freedom of religion and freedom from persecution won’t count for much. The way things are going, many if not most of the western democracies will likely be beset themselves. And those that have already won the cultural war with Islam on their own soil may also be of the mood that since you let the invader in without resistance, you can reap what you’ve sown. Last one the list for liberation anyway.
Yup, multicultural humanism, freedom of religion and freedom from persecution. Social democracy and a functioning welfare state.
LOL. You will have none of that under Shari’a law. You will lose whatever freedon you have left, most likely along with your life. History is my witness and your comeuppance.
We’ll see where that gets you in the long run.
My guess? Speaking Arabic and bowing towards Mecca inside of 20 or 30 years. Max.
Oh, and were it not for revenues (mostly oil) from outside your country, you’d be bankrupt like the other socialist countries. You are having a free ride – for now – on other people’s money.
LOL, Norwegian; you forgot to add unicorns.
Yes, it was hard on the last inhabitants of the paradise you describe: the USSR.
I don’t want to be a Muslim. I don’t want Sharia law. I feel sorry for the Muslim women but if they can’t fight for their own freedom, they wouldn’t accept it if it were given to them. You have to earn your freedom and fight to protect it. The Muslim men are programed from birth. The type of mind control that they are under has to be reinforced and strengthened 5 times a day. The men are not free and in my opinion in a worse condition than the women.
Their desire for freedom has been killed and can’t be resurrected.
For years western Europeans, especially the Scandinavians, thought if they only appeased Muslims, especially the Islamists, everything would be just fine. After all, its what multiculturalists do. Embrace multiculturalism and everything will be just fine, right?
Even after the Muhammed cartoons, which Denmark is still paying a price for, the Scandinavians thought the best way against radical Islam was to embrace its followers in hopes that they would assimilate into western culture. Wrong. Their appeasement did nothing and, if anything, radical Islam is getting worse all over Europe. What the western Europeans thought would be a “fad” among Muslims has now taken root and is a direct threat to their very way of life. Sort of like thinking Nazism was just a “fad” and if they just ignored it the Germans would just “go away.” Funny how people, especially Europeans, never seem to learn from past experiences.
Interesting that you raise the issue of Denmark. I read something a week ago which pointed out that speaking provable facts about scurrilous Muslim practices is no defence to charges of racism. That is to say, even if you can demonstrate with objective evidence that what you said is true, you can still be fined or imprisoned under Danish law for making comments which paint Muslims in a bad light – even if you can prove that what you said is objectively true. The truth is no longer a valid legal defence in Denmark, at least in this instance.
There’s a society which is teetering on the brink of collapse, if you ask me.
http://volokh.com/2011/01/13/danish-member-of-parliament-jesper-langballe-guilty-of-insulting-or-denigrating-muslims/
The truth is no longer a valid legal defence in Denmark, at least in this instance.
Trust is not a legal defense anywhere in Western Europe. The only thing that matters is if the feelings of the Muslims were hurt.
Just yesterday the Danish papers wrote about the Kurt Westergaard axe-attack trial. The Danish-Somali Muslim attacker’s defense is that Westergaard looked ‘happy’; thus, the attack – he claims he just wanted to frighten the artist – was justified.
You know this will not end well for them.
There’s a word that needs to be brought back into the discussion: sedition. Those who incite or act to replace the existing cultural or political order with Islam should be charged, jailed, and deported.
Just one small change, please. ‘Charged, jailed and executed’.
Sedition, treason, execution. That would certainly thin out the armies of Islam in our midst. That, along with ending Muslim immigration, would go a long way toward “dealing” with the threat Islam poses to Western civilization.
Remember this: As long as our ruling elite invite unassimilable peoples to our shores, the people will increasingly balkanize and be at each other’s throats, enabling the ruling elite to go about their business of destroying our republic. The last thing they want is a relatively homogenous populace that can coalesce to combat ever deepening statism.
It is also true that in the USA the biggest support for Sharia law and Moslem dominance comes from the American universities. Most American professors are active in their support for Islam or are indifferent to the imposition of Sharia law on the USA. To the American universitystudents and teachers the biggest threat to their comfortable lives is not Sharia law and Islamic dhimmitude but Sarah Palin because that is what they are taught day in and day out in their classrooms. Next to the universities the American media is eager for Islamic triumph; Couric, Mathews, O’Donnell, Maher, Moore, et al are supportive of the Islamic conquest of the former USA.
Not true about Maher, watch Bill Maher on Islam on YouTube. It’s quite good. I generally don’t tolerate liberals well, but on this one he was quite apt.
As Mark Steyn has said, “You can’t fight something with nothing”. Unless Europe somehow rediscovers its Christian faith there will be no way stop Islamic domination short of expelling every Muslim who evinces the slightest seriousness about his faith. Even this would only slow Europe’s demise, not stop it.
I have a friend from Tromsoe…she say’s it is nearly un-bearable to be Christian in her own country. Most of these towns are small, isolated, and have a long history of hatred for Jews and Christians. It’s the Norwegian Stain…a deep cultural stain. My friend tells me there will be skirmishes soon between the cultures, shooting skirmishes. It is too late in Norway. A terrible price will be paid to remove the invaders. They might just roll over instead of fight. That is a strong possibility.
Then your friend is pretty crazy. SHooting skirmishes in Tromsø? Between who, the sami-mafya and the tamil fish-gutters? lol.
http://www.dagsavisen.no/innenriks/article395215.ece
Jødiske barn får ikke leke ute
Jewish children are not allowed to play outdoors. in Oslo, Norway.
For the past four weeks, the 28 children had to stay indoors at the kindergarten, which is located next to the synagogue in Oslo. The decision was made in consultation between the synagogue’s security personnel, the Police Security Service (PST), the kindergarten’s management and the parents.
The kids play behind bullet proof windows and everything is monitored by CC cameras. Parents pick up and drop kids off in different schedules. In addition to the kindergarten’s own security force, Norwegian cops patrol the area.
When the kids go for a trip, they cannot wear anything that indicates they’re Jewish, like vests of t-shirts that say Jewish Kindergarten.
Imagine that!
This was due threats from the Muslims.
jjkrn’s friend is crazy? Why are you using the old ad hom attack?
Nej! Dom ledarer du talar om gav upp länge sen. För sent, bror.
It is over..I suggest you move to Finland
Finland is no better regarding the Muslim invasion. Last year the chief of the Finnish security police (SuPo) gave the country 3 years to come up with a solution. 2 and counting …
Det är alltid mörkast framför soluppgången!
Kapitulera inte!
it is always darkest before sunrise…i pray you wont capitulate..your fellow countrymen are however….your government is worse than Quisling….I have a small amount of hope…but it is small..Peace to you my Norwegian friends..
Drømmer eller realist? Tro om igjen!
They dream….arctic, Viking dream of old glory. Meanwhile the country has been usurped. The wake up comes years too late…It will take brute force. They are not willing.
Hva med løgner?
There is no integration of Muslims into the Western societies and Judeo-Christian values. This is a false assumption. Remember it was Ergodan of Turkey who said “Islam is Islam”. The sooner the Western societies wake up to this fact, the better off they will be, for they ignore this at their peril.
Me, I’m willing to pay for one way tickets back to their hell-holes.
Mixed feelings. I have a few Norwegian friends and, although I feel for them, their country and much of Europe has not been exactly friendly to its Jews. Today, European newspapers are filled with the most hateful cartoons and rhetoric that degrade not just Jews and Israel, but American and Western historic values and principles. Universities, governments, private institutions and associations all rail against us and cast us as the enemy of world peace.
When they kicked out the Jews and now continue in that hideous tradition, I say good riddance to Europe. That continent is virtually dead to me. They’ve sown the wind and now they’re going to reap the whirlwind.
You got it right J.J
As disturbing as those polls are, they could be understating the problem. Some of those being polled might be following takiyya (deception in the interest of furthering Islam) by concealing their Islamism.
I suspect Dr. Sowell would be appalled to find someone calling himself a “disciple”.
He’s my favorite columnist (bar NONE), and I have huge respect for him, but “disciple“?
It is precisely the Norwegian hatred for Jews and Christians which has brought this evil upon them. If you hate the True and Living God, you bring death upon yourself. It is written: “All who hate Me love death.”
Is Islam not cultural death?
I agree with you, Constitutionalist. Into the vacuum created by secular nothingness, as secularism is merely a polite term for nihilism, rushes all manner of evil. Europeans have been happy to cast off their Christian heritage and are about to trade in their statist system for Sharia. At least their ancestors, still ardent Christians, fought back against the Muslims invasions (1683 Battle of Vienna, for example). But these modern Europeans, fed a diet of multiculturalism which they lapped up as a cat takes to milk, believe in nothing; and no one fights for nothing.
The notion that Muslim women must be freed (from the burka or niqab) is incredibly naive. Muslim women like being covered. They enjoy walking about (and driving about) in disguise. If we think they’re clamoring to be “free”, we’re going to get an unpleasant surprise.
perhaps they like the anonymity, but i wonder if they like the genital mutilation, the forced sex, (other cultures call it rape), the beatings or even stoning if they dont comply with their masters demands. i suspect that given a little freedom, muslim women would abandon islam entirely. that would be why muslim men make sure the women never get even a little freedom.
Maybe Norway (and Finland, and Britain, and Sweden, and …) was so busy hating Israel and taking the side of the Fascist Pals, that they didn’t have time to watch and see what was happening at home. Serves them right…
You let them attack us and decided to support muslim hitlerism in the middle east. Now the chickens are coming home to roost. I shed not a single tear for Norway. You are getting exactly what you deserve.
http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2011/01/20/norway-to-recognise-palestine-if-peace-talks-fail/
…that Western Civilization died out as the seed of its own destruction, liberalism, grew and flurished.
Just take a look as to who’s sitting in the Oval Office, at the White House, in Washington DC, of the United States: the son of an arab Kenyan muslim.
Norwegians gave him a Nobel Prize.
I shed no tears for either Norway, or any other formerly “Western” setting. Deep down, islam didn’t do it to us, we did it to ourselves.
There is an excellent recent book titled “Modern Day Trojan Horse – The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration” by Sam Solomon and E Al Maqdisi. Well worth the read for anyone concerned about the long-term survival of western civilzation.
As #24 points out, it isn’t what THEY did (which of course was to take advantage of the dying civilization, as the vultures they are, through immigration and the demographic bomb) but rather what WE have done to Western Civilization and have allowed others to do to us.
We need to stop blaming others, and look in the mirror.
Identify the ideological foundations of Muslim religious communities. Those that are also political should be treated politically and should thus not receive government support. (In Norway, religious institutions are funded by the state.)
Had Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Mussolini, Pol Pot or Fidel Castro declared themselves “prophets”, institutions trying to replace Norwegian values with those of their reigns of tyranny would also be funded by the state in Norway. The problem here, and everywhere in the civilized Western world, lies in regarding islam as a religion, when it is nothing but a totalitarian political ideology masquerading as such.
Is it too late for Europe? Even Britain isn’t immune to the creeping demographic disaster and wholesale loss of political will that is accompanying it.
Whether we like it or not, the next line of defense is at our Atlantic coast.
Well, no, not really…have you not looked at the Red/Blue State maps of the US lately? The US coasts are gone. The last line of defense is either the Appalachians or the Mason-Dixon line, depending how you look at it.
I have no sympathy for the Norwegians. Norway is the most anti-Israeli country in the Western world. Norway was the only Western country that stayed during the notorious Ahmadinejad’s speech at the UN, and then had the audacity to patronize critics about the superior Norwegian diplomatic ways. This is the country that in 2009 celebrated 150th birthday of Knut Hamsun who in 1943 sent his Nobel Prize medal to Joseph Goebels and in 1945 wrote a eulogy for Adolf Hitler in which he called him “a warrior for mankind, and a prophet of the gospel of justice for all nations”. They are even more anti-Semitic than Spain. They didn’t like the Jews, they hate Israel. But now they got something much better! Guys, enjoy it! You are reaping what you sow.
Please, note the dot at the end of this post. – This is the world’s smallest violin playing the world’s saddest song for the poor, poor Norwegians.
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Please don’t believe that what you hear from norwegian newspapers, ngos and politicians is representative for the common man. All the newspapers have falling circulations, the only reason they survive is because of government aid. The ngos have been high jacked, almost without exception, by the left side. And surprise surprise, they receive a lot of money from the government.
As for the election of so many stupid politicians, I really have no good answer. I guess we Norwegians are not very good at thinking independently…
It’s interesting you say that, Muumi…I feel the same way living in Minnesota as a person of Norwegian ancestry. There’s something in the blood about not wanting to disrupt the “social order” (or whatever the hell they want to call it). You can’t criticize anyone because you don’t know “what they’re going through” or some other left-wing victimization bull.
It reminds me of pols/media here who constantly refer back to “The Minnesota Miracle”, a 40 year old cover of Time Magazine that extols the virtues of our Scandinavian-based welfare state. The idea that we can return to such a thing is patently absurd. The state has changed dramatically over this time and so has the stigma of being on public assistance. My father used to tell me that being on welfare was an embarrassing thing (I’m 37). Now, it’s common to see welfare EBT cards from MN being used in other states, even Hawaii.
Bottom line — you can’t compare a country like Norway, Sweden or Denmark, all of which have populations of <10MM people, to a country like the US, with more than 300M+ people. It just isn't the same.
Of course the obvious question is that if they love Sharia so much, why did they leave the countries where it is practiced? The only rational conclusion is to spread it around the world. Forget that “we didn’t like it” nonsense, obviously they do or this wouldn’t be going on. Not only that, but that “silent majority” that doesn’t want Sharia would be speaking up more loudly against it.
The reason is because even though they believe that Sharia is the best system for the whole world, it clearly impedes human development and makes their countries miserable places to live. Thus they come to non-Islamic countries where freedom, critical thinking, R&D in something other quranic “sciences,” and gender/racial/religious equality have created a level of prosperity unthinkable in their own countries.
Thus they want to enjoy the fruits of our societies while promoting the “virtues” of theirs.
The flaw in the logic here is the assumption that things will continue in the same direction, constantly worsening. Eventually, as European history proves and proves again, there will be a reaction, and it will be horrible.
Muslims cannot (I should say: will not) win a stand-up fight, and are out-numbered anyway. The European ruling elites will show them the same ruthlessness as they are currently directing to their own people, while the people themselves will be worse.
It doesn’t matter what they appear to be now, anymore than it mattered what the Russians appeared to be in 1913, the Germans in 1931, Serbs and Bosnians in 1985, et al. At a certain point, enough will be enough, and that will be it for the Muslims who won’t assimilate, and considering the (ongoing) history of the Jews in Europe, maybe not just them.
One feature of European history is a cycle of ruling class decadence, worsening conditions, then a seemingly passive, defeated populace going mad with violence.
Tomorrow they die, but till the wheel turns and rolls over them, the Sharia fools will have their dance.
Good…Then we can establish a European Goldstone Report…how dare you defend yourselves!!
The biggest tragedy is that even such a peaceful, violence hating humanist like myself no longer believs that there is any PEACEFUL or HUMANE solution to the above described problem.
The longer we wait with the application of any politically courageous decision to stop the islamisation ot the Western world the biggest the possibility of the backlash of the most violent and BARBARIC kind against Moslems and of course, their “SOCIAL-DEMOCRATIC” SPONSORS.
The greates irony, perhaps, lies in the possibility of Sarah Palin winnig American Presidency.
She is THE ONLY political figure in the US who has enough courage and convition to turn the things around.
Only when she ascends the Presidential office the other parts of the still “free world” will follow.
Until then, forget it…
And yet, when she indeed manages to win, she shall be forced to apply the “PINOCHET OPTION”, and it is a positive variant, to save America from the abyss.
The amount of brutality she SHALL HAVE TO USE to stave off the invasion of TOTALITARIAN COLLECTIVISM that is also sponsoring the ISLAMO-FASCISM is mind boggling.
Let’s don’t delude ourselves; It is NO LONGER possible to survive without applying the most unimaginable methods of self-defence.
After all the Western Europe and her denender, the US, has always been ready to use NUKES to stave off the potential invasion by SOVIET UNION.
It breaks my heart when I think about that but it is A MUST!
It is even more heart-breaking to think that Sarah Palin that beautiful angel shall be the one to do this.
Burt she calls her a MAMMA GRIZZLY, isn’t she?
The biggest tragedy is that even such a peaceful, violence hating humanist like myself no longer believs that there is any PEACEFUL or HUMANE solution to the above described problem.
The longer we wait with the application of any politically courageous decision to stop the islamisation ot the Western world the biggest the possibility of the backlash of the most violent and BARBARIC kind against Moslems and of course, their “SOCIAL-DEMOCRATIC” SPONSORS.
The greates irony, perhaps, lies in the possibility of Sarah Palin winnig American Presidency.
She is THE ONLY political figure in the US who has enough courage and convition to turn the things around.
Only when she ascends the Presidential office the other parts of the still “free world” will follow.
Until then, forget it…
And yet, when she indeed manages to win, she shall be forced to apply the “PINOCHET OPTION”, and it is a positive variant, to save America from the abyss.
The amount of brutality she SHALL HAVE TO USE to stave off the invasion of TOTALITARIAN COLLECTIVISM that is also sponsoring the ISLAMO-FASCISM is mind boggling.
Let’s don’t delude ourselves; It is NO LONGER possible to survive without applying the most unimaginable methods of self-defence.
After all the Western Europe and her denender, the US, has always been ready to use NUKES to stave off the potential invasion by SOVIET UNION.
It breaks my heart when I think about that but it is A MUST!
It is even more heart-breaking to think that Sarah Palin that beautiful angel shall be the one to do this.
Burt she calls herself MAMMA GRIZZLY, isn’t she?
I wouldn’t get too worried, Norway is only 1.5% Muslim. There’s not likely to be a takeover any time soon.
Sorry for double post. It was purely accidental.
Hege Storhaug,
Secular Hedonism isnt going to stand against Islam and its agents inside your country…they will keep importing more Muslims and insisting that, that is in accordance with your little list here…
“sexual equality, equality of all individuals regardless of ethnic, religious, social, tribal, clan, or caste background, religious freedom (including the right to renounce a religion), and the freedom that is the very foundation of our free society, namely freedom of expression.”
You are going to have to re-embrace your Christian values and assert them. Else you will be fighting a war you cannot win. Secular Hedonists will negotiate for less and less freedom, to enjoy the time they have left on Earth, and leave their children to do the best as they can. There is nothing worth dying for, for them…because their is nothing after this world.
I dont hold out much hope for that.
Cultural and Moral Relativism that is at the core of your Tolerance and Freedom values, isnt a position that can stand against Islam.
A Christian Church in Mecca and Medina, Saudi Arabia?
The most sacred place in Islam is the Ka’ba in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. The Ka’ba is a mosque (built by Abraham according to Muslim tradition) built around a black stone. The Prophet Muhammad designated Mecca as the holy city of Islam and the direction (qibla) in which all Muslims should offer their prayers. There is a small building two blocks up the street from the Ka’ba that would be a perfect size to start a Christian Church in.
The second most sacred place in Islam is Medina. Medina is a city in the Hejaz region of western Saudi Arabia, and serves as the capital of the Al Madinah Province. It is the second holiest city in Islam, and the burial place of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad and it is historically significant for being his home after the Hijrah. Believe it or not, two blocks up the street there is a small building that would be a perfect size to start a Christian Church in.
Who would I contact in Saudi Arabia to find out about coming over to Mecca and then Medina to start the Christian Churches there? Our parish is looking forward to spreading the “Word” in Saudi Arabia. God bless. P.S. Say, you don’t think we will run into any problems, do you?
Wow, wasn’t there just an article called “Muslims Behaving Badly”?
And another article called “Islam Expert Not Shocked by Disappearance of ‘Draw Muhammad’ Cartoonist”?
And another called “Christians Warn Against Double Standard in Wake of Quran Burning Row”?
And another “Koran Burning: How Dare the Muslim World Lecture America on Religious Tolerance”?
And another “Muslims Resume Building on Christian Graveyard in Pakistan”?
And another “NYC Mosque Rhetoric May Harm Persecuted Christians”?
And another “Controversial Jesus TV Show Canceled in Lebanon”?
And another “Pakistani Court Acquits Christian Woman of ‘Blasphemy”?
And another “Prospects of Religious Freedom Appear Grim in Islamic Maldives”?
And another “Poll: 3 in 5 New Yorkers Oppose Ground Zero Mosque”?
And another “Muslim Protesters Surround Worshippers in Indonesia”?
Gee, for so few radicals out there in the world, they sure get around, don’t they? But, they told us their religion was peaceful? You mean they lied to us? And we Socialist Progessive’s (I mean Democrat American’s) believed them? I guess I should stop watching the Main, I mean Lame-Stream Media? Oh my God, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, and PBS and David (Fidel) Letterman have all become Pravda America?
Islam Tax Dollars for Muslims
by Connie Hair
The Obama Administration reportedly held a special workshop this week to help leaders of controversial Muslim groups acquire “direct access” to taxpayer funding for their activities.
The event’s main organizer, the Coordinating Council of Muslim Organizations (CCMO) has long-established ties to Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood, which fostered many Islamist terror groups. Some of CCMO’s member groups were unindicted co-conspirators in the successfully prosecuted terrorist funding trial against the Holy Land Foundation (HLF). Event organizers said they would dedicate themselves to “cutting through red tape” to provide “direct access” to U.S. taxpayer funding for these terrorist funding-related groups.
An email announcement was sent out August 27 by the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), a group long associated with Muslim Brotherhood and an unindicted co-conspirator in the HLF trial. The ISNA email said: “The Workshop: So what exactly is this workshop, you may ask. Leaders from Muslim organizations around the nation, particularly social service organizations, are invited to a workshop with representatives from the DOA, Faith Based and Neighborhood Partnerships, Health and Human Services, the White House, Department of Education, the Department of Homeland Security, and more. Twenty-five to thirty Muslim leaders representing 20 Muslim organizations are expected to attend the workshop. “According to a representative of CCMO, this workshop is designed to clarify how Muslim nonprofits, mosques, Islamic centers, and social service organizations can strengthen their communities through more direct access to opportunities provided to social service agencies at the federal level. ‘It will hopefully help cut through some of the red tape and shine light on the many opportunities for funding, government assistance, and resources that we just don’t know about at the local level,’ said Elsanousi.”
The Obama Administration has not disclosed which CCMO groups attended the “direct access” to taxpayer funding workshop. The Department of Agriculture (DOA) referenced in the email as a sponsoring group did not respond to requests for information on the event.
Christine Brim on the website Big Peace has provided in-depth research into the CCMO and member groups. As Brim notes in her piece, the CCMO website has been scrubbed of a great deal of information on its Muslim Brotherhood ties, yet the Wayback Machine offers prior versions of the group’s website (2004-2008) that include more information on the groups ties to Muslim Brotherhood.
One such member list found on the CCMO’s 2007 website reads like a who’s who of Muslim Brotherhood organizations.
Brim compiles background information on several unindicted co-conspirator groups (information from the Investigative Project on Terrorism) listed among the CCMO member organizations and terror-funding linked organizations advertising on the CCMO website:
• The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation terrorism finance trial, and the source of Friday’s email promoting this CCMO/Department of Agriculture Event.
• The Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) , shunned by the FBI, several of its leaders indicted or convicted for terrorism, a possible violator of the Foreign Agents Registration Act, sued for fraud by Muslim, Hispanic and African-American families, named as an unindicted co-conspirator (CAIR fundraiser advertised at the CCMO site) in HLF trial.
• The International Institute of Islamic Thought (IIIT), the “think tank” of the Muslim Brotherhood according to The Grand Jihad author and former prosecutor Andrew McCarthy. One of the current and longest-serving officers of CCMO is Imam Johari Abdul-Malik, founder of the educational arm of IIIT, the Fairfax Institute and the director of outreach for the Dar-ul Hijrah “Terror” Mosque.
• The Muslim Public Affairs Committee (MPAC), exposed in IPT report for their defense of terrorists and terrorist financers. MPAC advertised here at the CCMO site for an event co-sponsored by Islamic Free Market Institute, the latter described in Paul Sperry’s book Infiltration)
• The Dar al Hijrah Mosque (known as the “Terror Mosque” in Northern Virginia for its links to imprisoned, indicted or wanted terrorists as vividly described by Frank Gaffney), advertised here at the CCMO site.
• The Muslim American Society “Freedom Foundation” (MASFF) run by three-time felon Mahdi Bray (MASFF fundraiser advertised at the CCMO site). The Muslim American Society was originally founded as the U.S. branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. MAS leader Mahdi Bray was elected on September 7, 2003 to the Executive Committee by over 40 CCMO member organizations.
The justice presiding over the HLF trial, U.S. District Judge Jorge A. Solis, was so concerned about the significance of the ongoing threat to America and that so many unindicted co-conspirators remained to be prosecuted, he ordered the documents submitted as evidence be put on the uscourts.gov web site.
For a broad offering of documents submitted in this trial, see the court documentation on the NEFA Foundation website.
When a party is designated as an unindicted co-conspirator in a trial it essentially means that the government could have indicted and prosecuted that party with the same evidence they are using to prosecute the conspirators actually indicted.
The sheer volume of Muslim groups listed as part of the terrorist funding schemes deterred simultaneous prosecutions so they were compiled in an unindicted co-conspirator list.
Two of the groups, ISNA and the North American Islamic Trust (NAIT), unsuccessfully petitioned to have their names removed from the HLF unindicted co-conspirator list. The prosecution blocked the groups’ removal through a filing in federal court in Dallas stating: “During last year’s trial, numerous exhibits were entered into evidence establishing both ISNA’s and NAIT’s intimate relationship with the Muslim Brotherhood, the Palestine Committee, and the defendants in this case,” the prosecutors wrote. “They were intimately connected with the HLF and its assigned task of providing financial support to HAMAS…. That ISNA and NAIT appeared in these documents and share a common history with these defendants is a reflection of the evidence, not any attempt to ‘disparage’ or ‘vilify.’”
Politico’s Josh Gerstein this week reported ISNA and NAIT are again attempting to have their names removed from the HLF list. In a highly controversial move, the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals has sealed all of the filings and moved the proceedings behind closed doors.
Gee, just when the lame-stream media convinced you that Barry Hussein is a Christian?
Under this admin. and their socialist idealogy, many Americans are fed up with a President who continously chastises America for its greed, its wealth, defined by capitolism and its success which has been carried on by a Constitution which by the way has worked for over 200 years? Now you might ask how in the hail did we manage to elect a man who had no experience, no foreign policy expertise, a Jr Senator from Ill. with no plausable record, but only that of a Harvard graduate with minority status who graduated under the wing of some of the most radical leftwing ideaology one can find. No particular religous influence unless you count the Rev. Jer. Wright who preached “Politics” of the left instead of relying on Divine Guidance’ from A God he claims to know? Yet all evidence so far would suggest Barry Hussein O is far from claiming any one or any person while relying on his own self directed projections. So here we are. One if not the most critical time in Amerian history. We are being threatend to be annihilated by Iran and madman Armdj. and his Russian supported Nuclear scientists who not only hate America but Israel as well. Now we are under seige by the Lefties radicals who have subdued the Democratic party into whipped submission of Mao and Che lovers! Now that the November election has spoken, the radical Progressives of this Administration (before any vestiage of the America we all know and want back to disappear) will try to gobble up our liberties even quicker by a President who never met an Arab or Muslim he didn’t like.
Points well made.
It’s life and death simple. Islam is committed to its advance in Europe, much as when Ummayad armies moved north, in 732, before running into Charles Martel at Tours. This is a deadly serious challenge to Europe’s existence and the attitude of Europeans seems uncertain, even ho-hum, in response. You have no Charles the Hammer today, except the United States. Sharia Law, the irreducible core of Islam, is utterly incompatible with Western Civilization. Europeans of the Middle Ages and Renaissance understood this. A decadent Europe in denial today does not.
Current numbers don’t matter, in fact they only tend to lull Europe into doing nothing–the worst possible thing to do now. It is energy and intent that matter, and in these Muslims are deadly serious. Yet you do not see this.
America saved Europe three times from the consequences of its folly or weakness in the 20th Century. I’m tired of the responsibility, the expense, and the sapping of our own strength by political emulation of yet another round of Europe’s failing ideas. If you make a mess of the Islamic challenge, I think Russia is your best hope this time. I see no evidence that Europe has the Will to resist without someone else taking the lead.
you are referring to the america that sent its air power to bosnia to assist with islamic ethnic cleansing? that america? one of numerous suicidal nations that is importing islamics and giving them welfare benefits to enable them to outbreed the non-islamic population? is that the america that will save the world from islam? if you dont want to live in an islamic helhole, you better get rid of muslims in your own country. noone is going to save anyone else, when it is doubtful they have the will to save themselves.
Indeed, http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Sorry Europe, you had/have your chance to do something NOW. The USA will have its hands full with China and the narco-terrorists in mexico (Mexico also had a chance in years past to end the drug lords, but looked the other way while they grew monstrous)… When the SHTF, Im afraid France will have to bring out their white flag from mothballs and start waving it, and don’t even think about asking for help.. 3rd strike.. you are out.
Where the true God has been rejected by a society, be it Norway, Britain, France, Germany or the U.S., Satan will attack such a spiritual vacuum in force. And make no mistake, The god of Islam is the Devil himself.
Most of us have a little place in our heart to help the needs of others.
We have given liberalism and multi culturalism a place as we believe we are all created by the same Creator. Doing good is part of our calling.
Unfortunatley, Islam have taken advantage of liberalism and multi-culturism to imposed on us the Sharia life style. I have worked in so called secular countries in Asia for the last 30 years, spending many years in each country and have seen how islamisation and & sharia removal of the liberal way of life of the population. As a small group, Islamist profess that they are peace loving however, as the number increase, it is a political religious movement in the name of Allah to create a muslim state.
As someone living in the West, we need to be able to differntiate between what is multiculturalism and what is Islamisation and the Muslim’s desire to expand their Umma or Caliphate state. We must not be naive to Islamist call, in the name of democracy or Freedom. ( check out if there is any democratic freedom in Saudi Arabia – a ultimate muslim state )
So brothers & sisters, Watch out, the signs are over the place, time to take action to get rid of the the Islamist & return them to where they belong, before they burn down our homes & change our lives.
In the Koran, the prophet Mohamad have sanction, Takiyah, which mean it is perfectly alright to decive any non muslim if it further the cause of Islam.
I can agree that “integration” is not going well in Norway. I can speak as one who has live there. But it must also be understood that it’s a tricky thing to compare U.S. notions of conservativism with the European variety. In the U.S. it has very, very little to do with ethnic roots and very, very much to do with an idea of liberty. A Eurpoean must sever thier heartstrings a bit when they talk about their homeland in a way that an American has been brought up to understand. This is a fundamental and often overlooked difference. I do feel that we Americans miss out on a feeling of camradery that Europeans enjoy which also enhances their experience, but when the $#it hits the fan at least we’re wearing a rain coat. In response to the person calling themself “Norwegian”: I’ve been to Grønland. You’ll probably be okay parading through there for an afternoon expressing your “progressive” views, just like you’d be okay being an Army recruiter in Berkely for an afternoon… just don’t try to settle there. Or did you forget about this?
“Homosexuals should not hold hands in Grønland”
http://translate.google.com/translate?langpair=auto|en&u=http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article3222827.ece
http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/08/19/nyheter/innenriks/vold/hatkriminalitet/7723180/
“Homosexual chased from kiosk”
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/oslo/article3247220.ece
“Grønland divided on gay parade”
http://www.dagsavisen.no/innenriks/article491879.ece
“I dont like homosexuals”
http://debatt.sol.no/content/jeg-liker-ikke-homofile
“Split thoughts on gay parade in Grønland”
http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/norge/1.7186426
If you cant read it, try Google Translate and you’ll get my drift. In any case, bad news for you pal. It’s a big $#it sandwich and you gotta take a bite.
Lets have a look at what Ackerman said first: He said that 100% of the rapes commited in Oslo are done by foreigners. This is obviously ridicolous, although there IS a higher precentage of 1.gen refugees in the rape-statistics. To corelate this with Islam is however to overlook that most of these rapists are traumatized refugees from war-zones. Wich is another debate. The 100% number is a flat lie.
Also, never said that Storhaug is a nazi or a white power fighter, only that she sees no trouble in associating with people who work with them. If associating with someone who does not condemn Hamas makes you a terrorist sympathiser, then this must surely run both ways, no?
As for the famous Grønland “Moral police”, its generally true that most muslims dont look kindly on homosexuality, much like moany muscular christians. There is no law against that. However, the only example of actual violence reported was a couple who got a couple of kicks in the ass while walking hand in hand late one night. Surely no fun, but not exactly a horrible crime compared to the militant rights tradition of gaybashing, no? The “Moral Police” was not aimed at norwegians at all, but was an expression used to describe the internal problems within the muslim diaspora here. After the articles came, it got discussed in many congregations, with plenty of women participating and so on. Theres actually quite a vibrant gay community in Grønland and Gamlebyen, and one of Norways oldest saunas ( a place where gay men come to have sex) is located smack in the middle of Kebab City, a part of the centre where the businesses are almost all immigrant owned. (The sauna is just by the Jewish museum, btw, wich have not been vandalized at any time).
ANd as for muslims taking over Europe in 2030: Umm, what planet are you folks living on? Are there lots of dark helicopters buzzing overhead there? As someone pointed out above, in Norway there is about 1.3% muslims. Almost all norwegians have acess to arms. How in gods name would they stage such a revolution? With the help of the Pakistani Navy? Whut? You folks, including Storhaug, are living in a bubble of terror, just like Osama bin Laden wants. Al Quaedas stated goal is to cause a civilizational conflict between islam and the “crusader states” (us). Go read Michael Totten on this same space for a sane version of islam critique.
So to put it bluntly: Sure there are problems concerning cultural differences between the muslim diaspora and the norwegian society. But the way Hege Storhaug frames it is batshit crazy. Its funny, when she writes in Norwegiuan she is *much* less moderate and less hysterical.
As a gay American man who also happens to be libertarian/conservative, I can tell you this — the idea that there are roaming crowds of right wingers in the US targeting gays is completely absurd. Are there nutcases? Sure. But the %age of Christians who are that extreme is very, very, very small. As I constantly point out to my left of center friends, I have received far more contempt/discrimination/call it whatever you want in gay circles for being conservative, then I ever have in conservative circles for being gay.
And if I’m not mistaken, this was an article that was originally published in Norwegian that was translated by Mr. Bauer, who ironically, has written two very good books about this very subject.
I thank God everyday that my great-grandparents left Norway and came to this country. And let’s be realistic, if it weren’t for oil, Norway would be screwed.
ok. not 100% of norwegian rapes are committed by muslims. what percentage of rapes by muslims to you consider to be acceptable? lets say that norwegian is right that there are only 8% muslims in oslo (which i doubt). that would mean allah’s fair share would be 8% of the rapes in oslo. however, muslim women do not report rape, because they will be severely punished. so every rape actually reported is a rape of an infidel. if you are going to quibble over statistics, try reporting the number of islamic women raped by infidels. it isnt reported, but probably is zero. then report the number of islamic women raped by allah’s martyrs. you cant, because it isnt reported, but generally thought to be a very large number. then report the number of rapes of infidels by allah’s soldiers, and while you are at it, lets hear how many of those rapes are actually hate crimes, religiously motivated. how many religious hate-related rapes does it take to be significant?
PS: Bogdan from Australia: You hereby have officially won the loon of the week award. You think Palin is going to nuke the world from Marocco to Indonesia?
What are you guys smoking?
right you are, norwegian. palin will never be elected, but if she were, she would do what republicans always do when they go to washington: behave like democrats.
Lets have a look at what Ackerman said first: He said that 100% of the rapes commited in Oslo are done by foreigners. This is obviously ridicolous, although there IS a higher precentage of 1.gen refugees in the rape-statistics. To corelate this with Islam is however to overlook that most of these rapists are traumatized refugees from war-zones. Wich is another debate. The 100% number is a flat lie.
http://www.eutimes.net/2009/04/immigrants-committed-100-of-rapes-in-oslo-in-2008/
Immigrants committed 100% of rapes in Oslo in 2008
Police in Oslo investigated 41 rapes last year. 100% were committed by immigrants, mostly Africans and Kurds.
Even in 2001, according to the commie Aftenposten:
Oslo rape statistics shock
The study is the first where the crime statistics have been analyzed according to ethnic origin. Of the 111 charged with rape in Oslo last year, 72 were of non-western ethnic origin, 25 are classified as Norwegian [includes Muslims with Norwegian citizenship] or western and 14 are listed as unknown.Rape charges in the capital are spiraling upwards, 40 percent higher from 1999 to 2000 …
Q.E.D.
Wanna something to wipe that egg off of your face?
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article190268.ece
Ackerman: I can not take seriously a paper called “EU news” who does not supply any sourcing. The only comment below it is telling enough.Hege Storhaugs organization HRS herself in an article puts the number of rapes in Oslo attributed to immigrants in 2000 at 65% and in 2004 at 50%, wich created a huge debate.
http://www.rights.no/publisher/publisher.asp?id=46&tekstid=1546
You may be referring to the fact that in 2008 we had a string of street-rapes caused by a group of sick immigrant teens wich at one point represented about 100% of the assault-rape charges in Oslo. In addition to this, however, comes all the rape-charges delivered from various crisis centers about domestic rapes and rapes wich occured at parties/social gatherings. Nobody is saying that there isnt a serious problem with regards to single young male immigrants, but to A) claim that this has something to do with Islam, or that B) Only immigrants rape is just wrong.
Norwegian, the EU Times does include a source, it’s the hyperlink within the word “source”, and if you follow it, there’s a link to the ultimate source, but that link is dead, so i found the new link at the same source: http://www.norwaypost.no/news/immigrants-behind-most-cases-of-aggravated-sexual-assault.html
Omar will not be surprised.
Norwegian – I agree with you that “immigrants”(code word) and those with “immigrant” back ground are not responsible for 100% of rapes, but I have seen a very solid statistic out of one area, not sure which, that indicated that 100% of violent/assault rapes were committed by this group. I’ll look around for it.
One point of concern that has arisen in connection with events like these are certain statements that have been made by islamic leaders within some of these communities. In Australian, for example, after a series of assault type rapes involving muslims, Sheik Hilali, the foremost islamic scholar in the country, proclaimed in mosque that,
“If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it … whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred.”
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/muslim-leader-blames-women-for-sex-attacks/story-e6frg6nf-1111112419114
And here is a report pertaining to a series of “grooming rapes” in the UK – all involving muslim men and underaged non-muslim girls:
http://undhimmi.com/2011/01/11/muslims-also-targeting-hindu-and-sikh-girls-in-sexual-grooming-cases/
There is a persistent pattern of harassment and assaults against uncovered, non-muslim women by muslim men and it is almost certainly rooted in islamic law. According to the Quran, there are only two classes of women who are permissible sexually to muslim men: 1). One’s wives (not to exceed 4); and 2). Those women from kuffar communities that have refused to submit to islamic law and who have been taken in the course of conflict, i.e. “right hand possessions.” Once the “uncreated word” of your alleged god has said that you make take non-muslim women forcibly and use them as sexual slaves, the possibilities for abuse are literally endless (the mass enslavement by the islamist government of Sudan are a recent example).
Norwegian:
On the issue of “right hand possessions,” here is a recent fatwa that you may find interesting, especially towards the end:
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/33597
Anyone with normal powers of observation should be able to see that allowing ANY Muslim immigrants in ANY Western country is flat-out INSANE.
This doesn’t take insight, it just takes eyesight. The results are ALWAYS the same.
Why did it take Norwegians so long to figure this out?
I recall one Norwegian cop telling me some twenty years ago, while I was visiting and training in Oslo, that approximately 70 % of the security prison’s inmates were Pakistanis.
The people of Norway have known this for a long time. It’s the commie government that forces the population to swallow the Islamic POSs. I’ve no doubt that Norway will be the first country in Scandinavia to get rid of her Mussulmans ins Allah(POS).
If you believe what “Norwegian” tries to tell you, you’re welcome to join the socialist left party of Norway as a true cadre. These mindless leftists ruin Norway because they refuse to see what is really going on. People in Norway are weary of muslim immigration because they see what has happened in Sweden: suicide bombing, riots in Rosengård Malmö, antisemitism, and a non willing attitude to adapt to the swedish society.
The welfare state is in danger of breaking down because most of immigrants from muslim countries end up living on benefits (somali, pakistani). Among somali women there is a “trend” that they get a formal divorce (although they stay married as muslim) and they get a lot of support for being single mothers. This is a problem not limited to muslims, but it seems they have a harder time adapting compared with i.e. people from Sri Lanka, Vietnam etc.
The Muslims don’t have “trouble” adapting. They refuse to adapt and play the system of their host country. Welfare is a way to drain the state, while they refuse to assimilate and continue to overpopulate. The lack of any but Koranic education makes them totally unfit to add in a meaningful way to society. To the extremists, this is a long-term plan to eventually take over.
“I wouldn’t get too worried, Norway is only 1.5% Muslim. There’s not likely to be a takeover any time soon.”———-dave surls
phew. thanks. now i am not worried. so tell me. when should i get worried? when they are 5%? 25%? when they get out the scimitar to slice off my head? about our children, or grandchildren. do you suppose they will be happy to accept the yoke of islamic slavery that we are accepting in their name because the takeover wont be “any time soon”? when is the right time to descend into islamic slavery? what do you think our descendants (if the muslims dont kill them all) will have to say about their ancestors, who could so easily have expelled muslims from their countries, but instead invited them in, and paid them to breed at public expense, in the name of feeling good and to promote political correctness? i submit that our descendants will spit when they speak our names, and curse the generation of vile cowards that delivered their very homelands to the religion of “peace”.
To all those replies that feel that this article attacks Muslims in a sweeping generalization, I disagree. I am a Muslim, (by birth) and I do not find anything she wrote about even slightly offensive, racist or generalizing. The truth is that she has pointed out the exact things that make people like me abhor and condemn the behavior of the majority of Muslims all around the world, it is easy to label an article like this racist, but if you read a little deeply you will understand that it is providing a service Muslims have refused themselves for centuries; seeking out the freedom to be individuals. The ‘organism’ or ‘sheep’ mentality of most Muslims is itself responsible for most of the Muslim world’s human rights violations and the conversion of Islam into a political time-bomb of an ideology – The fact is that Muslims around me and in most situations are taught at a very young age to tie Islam and its teachings to their egos and the fear of incurring God’s wrath. I myself have experienced it. And very few people can unlearn that relationship. It is hence absolutely necessary to limit Islamic education/practices/rituals only to one’s person and home, one Muslim should not have the smallest ounce of power or say into how another Muslim, including his/her family members, live their lives. Only then, and just maybe, will the political ideology that Islam has become will seize to exist in the west. As for Pakistan, where I live, change might be decades away. Sadly.
Make Buddhist, Jainist and Gandhian philosophy compulsory reading in schools so that the youth values non violence. Not many in the West know but study of saint Ramakrishna paramahamsa and his sayings will enormously contribute towards inter-religious peace. (Even when Indians were not aware of the saint, it is said, Leo Tolstoy used to read about Saint Ramakrishna’s sayings) I am not saying read only about saints of Indian origin. Whoever lived anywhere in the world preaching high ideals their thoughts should be inducted into school curriculum so that we need not worry what is the religious background of the persons who is ruling us because he would have enough coaching about non violence by the time he leaves the school
Thanks for every other wonderful article. Where else may just anybody get that type of info in such an ideal way of writing? I have a presentation next week, and I’m at the search for such information.
It is very sad to know that there is so much hatred for Muslims. I do not blame Non-Muslims for this. It is created by Muslims themselves. I am born Muslim and proud to be Muslim but not proud to be linked with the behavior of Muslims. Islam means peace and never preaches to kill Innocent people, on the contrary Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said “Killing of one human being (he didn’t say Muslim) is like killing of whole humanity.” Those who preach to kill, are not Muslims according to all the Islamic Scholars. Pakistan who is a Muslim country has been under suicide Bomb attacks and killing of innocent people for years. The behavior of Muslims does not reflect the teachings of Islam. As a Muslim lying, cheating, hurting ones feelings, stealing and the list goes on are major sins which are highly punishable. I live in England and can see that all of these are present in Muslims of today and Muslims should be shameful of these acts. But I would like to point out the fact that please don’t hate Islam, hate the people who do bad things, either they Muslim or Christian or Hindu or Jew or whatever their religion is.
Islam has never spread on force, even now a lot of Non-Muslims are coming to Islam in UK and America. Nobody has forced them to accept Islam. Youtube is full of such people videos. There are good Muslims and bad, we as a community need to work together to eliminate evil from the community either it comes from Muslims or somebody else.
I myself have suffered from racism from nobody other than non-Muslims. I bought a house close to workplace in a complete non-Muslim area. People threw things on my house, threw stones on the front door and back yard. Swore at me and my wife passing racial comments, but what did I do to hurt them. I am just living my life and would like to live peacefully and let others live peacefully. Now I don’t stereotype in saying all the non-Muslims are bad because I know they are not, I have great non-Muslim friends, some are Hindu, some Christians and others are atheist. My advice to all is that please do not come to a conclusion very quickly, do your research and then decide for yourself what is right and what is wrong.