Impounds and Illegals
Anyone surprised by this hasn’t been paying attention.
Los Angeles Police Department officers manning sobriety checkpoints will no longer, as a matter of department policy, impound cars driven by unlicensed drivers. That is unless the unlicensed driver is a United States citizen or lawful resident, in which case he can say adios to his car for 30 days, as authorized by California law.
I can see you out there shaking your heads and saying, “Wait a minute . . . .” Yes, you read it correctly: Two drivers are stopped at a sobriety checkpoint in Los Angeles and both are found to be sober, but lacking a driver’s license. The first, a U.S. citizen, receives a citation and stands by and watches as his car is towed away to the impound yard, where it will remain for a month so as to impress upon him that driving is a privilege, not a right, and that the people of the state of California extend that privilege only to those who have demonstrated some minimal level of proficiency as signified by possession of a driver’s license.
The second unlicensed driver, an illegal immigrant from, let’s just say Mexico, is also issued a citation, but he is given a “reasonable period of time” to give custody of his car to a licensed driver, who will presumably drive it to the unlicensed driver’s home — or just around the corner and out of the cops’ view — where the unlicensed driver will be free to jump back behind the wheel and ply the roadways until he has the misfortune of running into another one of those bothersome sobriety checkpoints, where the process can begin anew. Lather, rinse, repeat.
The change in policy was announced last week by LAPD Chief Charlie Beck, who called it a question of “fairness.” “I’m tired of casting the net so wide,” Beck told reporters. “This is the right thing to do. There is a fairness issue here … and we’re trying to balance the needs of all segments of our community and keep the roads safe.”
Yes, we must balance the needs of all segments of our community, including those that rightfully ought to be segments of some other community in some other country.
And it got worse. From a Los Angeles Times story that ran on March 12:
The new rules, Beck said, were an attempt to mitigate somewhat “the current reality, which is that for a vast number of people, who are a valuable asset to our community and who have very limited resources, their ability to live and work in L.A. is severely limited by their immigration status.”
Do you see? The chief thinks that illegal immigrants’ ability to live and work in Los Angeles is too “severely limited,” so he now enlists his officers in the cause of easing those limitations. Thus illegal immigrants in Los Angeles have achieved through Chief Beck’s sense of “fairness” what they could not through legislation. Almost six years ago I reported, over at National Review Online, on the efforts by then-California State Senator Gil Cedillo to grant driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants and to exempt them — and only them — from the provisions of the California Vehicle Code that authorize police officers to impound cars driven by unlicensed drivers. Cedillo failed to see his signature legislation enacted, but he must be pleased to see one of his goals realized through Beck’s policy decision. (Cedillo was term-limited out of the state senate last year but, displaying the tenacity unique to Democrat politicians, continues to pursue his immigrant-friendly agenda from a seat in the state assembly.)
Is there a lawyer in the house? Screw “fairness”; this seems downright illegal.
Chief Beck of LA, is clearly guilty of ethnic bias, with his policy of allowing unlicensed illegal aliens, to make arrangements for their car to be driven to their home, while the USA citizen’s car is impounded per California law for thirty days. This is outrageous, Chief Beck needs to be charged for ignoring California law by allowing a unlicensed,illegal alien,and probably probably uninsured person to continue driving,thereby putting other drivers lives in danger He is the type of law official that gives good Law Enforcement a bad name. He will be praised by our US Justice Department for taking care of illegal alien lawbreakers. Stick it to USA citizens, and give all others a pass seems to be the new motto these days.
But the Law does NOT say, these vehicles MUST be impounded. It only says, police officers MAY impound.
So there is still room to do the right thing here.
This is what Chief Beck is suggesting to his police officers, do the right thing.
The right thing in this case is to deport the illegals, not to treat them as a class superior to the native-born and legal immigrants.
The right thing to do is to treat them as we would treat ourselves. We are a Christian nation, built on Christian values and the Golden Rule applies, regardless of the bad apples.
Christian nation does not mean turning a blind eye to the law. If you’re going to bring religion into it, Christ lead by example, and Christ submitted himself to the will of the government, and to the law. Give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s. No one is above the law, whether it be a heavenly law, or a man made law. The law is the law.
Christina:
Christ said; “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s…” (Matt. 22:21). It’s okay to expect people to obey our laws when the laws themselves are not immoral.
He also said, “LOVE thy neighbors”.
The right thing to do is to treat them as we would treat ourselves.
You seem to have missed the blindingly obvious, but the way we treat ourselves is to impound the cars of those of us found driving without a license. If we’re going to treat the illegals as we treat ourselves, an outcome I strongly favor, then we’re going to have to start treating them as badly as we treat Americans.
I agree with you 100%
This is silly and amoral. If there is anything supporting a civilization, it must be laws and customs.
This is the antithesis of civilization.
It is not racist to protect property and enforce laws. It racist to make exceptions based on race or “circumstances.”
We are fools to cede our big cities to this nonsense of multicultural lawlessness. If you break the law, go to jail. If you sell drugs, go to jail. If you beat up another, go to jail.
Chief Beck is making his own immigration law. Is anyone expecting Holder to file suit against L.A.?
Impound: NOT a MUST, but MAY impound. Which means Police officers can use discretion in these matters.
The law may be discretionary but, when the Chief gives an order, that is not discretionary. Thus, this is a clear equal protection violation and hopefully a citizen adversely impacted by this discrimination will sue the heck out of the LAPD.
This policy is very specific. Police still use own discretion.
Haven’t we learned that police officers these days are completely incapable of being trusted with anything remotely resembling discretion?
Simple as this. Give them online access from their vehicles to the drivers license database. I know I lost my license when I was a teenager(10+ years ago) and when I went to the DMV they just made me a new one without taking a new picture(same expiration date as before). So the data is certainly there and should be easily searchable. If you lose your wallet they just take your name and SSN and they can find you on the system, maybe give you a warning and you be on your way. If you don’t have a license AT ALL, they impound your vehicle and arrest you. PERIOD. No brain activity allowed.
Many people in California, and to a lesser extent America, are eagerly racing towards suicide and collapse.
Every month it seems that more and more liberals have simply lost their minds. They can not grasp facts and logic that even young school children can immediately master.
What is next? Will it be deemed a “hate crime” for a police officer to arrest an illegal who was just witnessed and videotaped commiting a murder?
You can’t arrest witnesses, sir.
Ah, but one can. All participants in a crime are not only felonious co-conspirators, but are also witnesses to the crime. This includes those the officer has probable cause to believe may be participants. A good cop
will always run wants and warrants on everybody he talks to: victims, suspects, witnesses, possible witnesses, etc. Lots of Bad Guys get caught that way. And, while the bad Guys are locked up, you, your sweet wife, your darling kids, your wallet, car and Tv are a lot safer, too!
Yep, the lunatics are running the asylum.
Better put a fence around that place.
The chief thinks that illegal immigrants’ ability to live and work in Los Angeles is too “severely limited,”
i am with you
“I’m not about to turn a carload of children out on the street when their parent seems to be an otherwise law-abiding ILLEGAL immigrant.” Do you also release a burgular because he has not killed anyone. To hear conversations about ILLEGAL immigrants, as having the rights of a citizen leave me puzzled. What part of ILLEGAL do you not understand??? Why should we expect anyone from a foreign country respect our laws,…we don’t respect them ourselves.
Thank you for saying what I was thinking.
Having the rights of a citizen, Hell! They’ve been given more rights.
Can you get out of the impound by renouncing your citizenship on the spot? What good is it?
I need to leave my wallet at home and learn more Spanish.
How pleasing to hear a voice that reflects fact and reason. Unfortunately, this approach does not seem to register in the mind of a liberal. After years of trying to decipher the liberal mindset I
have concluded that it is a waste of time to debate with someone whose view of the world is so abstract. Although some of them may have good intentions, history has shown time and again that the their thought process and the policies which they support have been tried and failed miserably (I.e. socialism, social engineering).
You bet. And with Eric Holder as Attorney General, I will bet you that any city or state that actually dared to arrest an illegal alien driving a car without a proper license and registration would probably get sued by this administration. Don’t believe me? Well, just ask the people in Arizona how “open-minded” this administration is about protecting the American public against illegal aliens breaking the law. I’m sure they could tell you a thing or two about it.
Look…..my take? 9mm’s, 380′s 45′s and shotguns. Mossberg preferred.
The US of A…has to know that we are in a war. And when will we exercise our rights to fight back against the illiterate, scum that are killing us?
Ya know….against La Raza, Cair and the MB…Wasp’s don’t look too bad.
You sissies…you “progressives”…you f@ggot” taco eaters…..FU!!!!!
Liberty ship, you have made a statement which is clear, concise, and logical. This may be considered “unfair”-shame on you!
Once again we see that “some animals are more equal than others”.
In this case what you win for the privilege of being of U.S. citizen is the costly impounding of your car. If you had just been lucky enough to be a citizen here illegally you could keep the car during the period of the impound and you also aren’t out the impound fees.
If the driver of the car is here illegally what sort of auto insurance is he going to have?
That’s right. NONE.
So here we have police officers to let uninsured illegals to continue to operate a vehicle without the proper permit to operate said vehicle.
This isn’t the inmates running the asylum. It’s the inmates being armed by the asylum staff and turned loose on the street, literally. Even a Smart car is more weapon than any firearm up to and including the .50 BMG.
If we aren’t going to put up a wall between the U.S. and Mexico then how about one to keep Californians from infecting the rest of the nation?
I consider this rule to be a treasonous move by the police administration. My problem is with the administration who made this politically motivated and unconstitutional move. Dear California lawmen, if you believe that the Constitution is the law of the land, escape California and work elsewhere.
We need those who will actually uphold the Constitution. You won’t be doing that in California.
Illegal aliens who are not self-employed have Social Security and Medicare taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks. Since undocumented workers have only fake numbers, they’ll never be able to collect the benefits these taxes are meant to pay for. Last year, the revenues from these fake numbers — that the Social Security administration stashes in the “earnings suspense file” — added up to 10 percent of the Social Security surplus. The file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year.
Logical Jane said
Illegal aliens who are not self-employed have Social Security and Medicare taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks. Since undocumented workers have only fake numbers, they’ll never be able to collect the benefits these taxes are meant to pay for. Last year, the revenues from these fake numbers — that the Social Security administration stashes in the “earnings suspense file” — added up to 10 percent of the Social Security surplus. The file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year. And I say so…..is this what the Liberals are really about????CONDONING THE RIPPING-OFF OF DECENT, HONEST CITIZEN’S SOCIAL SECURITY #S….TO JUSTIFY THE HARBORING OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS BECAUSE IT HELPS THE SOCIAL SECURITY REVENUE?? You people are God-awfully unbelieveable!!!!!!Anything to further your dishonest agendas…….By the way…don’t mention to anyone the billions of greenbacks that these vermin take from the LEGAL citizens in welfare, Access, hospital and doctor care that the legal citizens fund for them….not to mention the billions of dollars that they send back to Mexico either!!!!!Did anyone mention to you that the majority of them DON’T WANT TO BE CITIZENS OF THE U.S.A.? They only want to work and send money home….and not to pay taxes!!! TAXES…thats the thing that citizens are stuck with paying….remember????
There’s liberal “logic” for you: out-right fraud, identity theft, perjury – all okay because ONE part of the government comes out ahead of the game (supposedly). They literally hve no values, no morals. They will justify absolutely anything if it gets them what they want. The unionists in WI are now talking about “getting bloody”. It’s no mere expression; they’re serious. (And what happened to toning down the “violent rhetoric”? Ha!) This self-deceived woman really believes she was in some way using logic to make an argument. Beyond belief!
So what? How many actually have taxes withheld vs. being paid under the table?
And who cares? Their presence in the US without following US immigration law is a crime.
It’s not a crime, it’s just part of human migration. How did you parents get here? Were the Afro-Americans criminals too, I’m sure they didn’t “follow” immigration rules or how about the American Indians from Siberia, no immigration rules then too. Arbitrary. Not like Murder or Robbery.
Search 8 U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code – Section 1325: Improper entry by alien
(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
You say it’s not a crime? Wonder why they’re called “ILLEGAL” Aliens then. Sheesh.
My parents where both born in Canada. The ancestors on one side came over to Nova Scotia in the late 1700′s at the behest and the authority of the British Government. On the other side they came over during the potato famines in Ireland, again at the behest and authority of the British government. In 1988 I sponsored two of my cousins to come from Kilnkarney Ireland to “LEGALLY” imigrate to the country.
And talking about the Asian migration across the Bering land bridge 10,000 years ago is a real streach. I’m pretty sure there were no governments in place in order to have an immigration policy. But of course liberals have never had a grasp on history before Woodstock, so I wouldn’t expect much more from you.
What? This is your argument? You are really going to attempt to legitimize “ILLEGAL” immigration by suggesting that it is an all American movement that is on the same level as “LEGAL” immigration? Who are these people? Are they terrorists, felons, gang members, drug dealers etc.? Are they psychologically unstable? Do they have a disease which has been eradicated in this country. Not to mention the strain that has been placed on our economy, schools, legal system, and healthcare industry. Are you serious?
That may or may not be, but earned income tax credits and child tax credits are paid to families in Mexico.
Ironically, the Californians rebuked the Oklahoman, “Okies”, refugees when they tried escaping the dust bowl in the mid 1930′s.
There’s your Socialist union machine at work, pal. Why do you act so shocked and offended when you’re part of it? You said in your last article that you’re perfectly willing to break the law when it serves YOUR interests (sick-outs). So: Beck is doing more of the same. BTW: many of those citizens who “don’t have driver’s licenses” DO have them: they just forgot them at home. For which offense their car is stolen by the government without trial, appeal, warrant or compensation. Yeah, you’re all-over conservative. Glad to have you on the team.
There is a difference between having a license and leaving it at home, and not having one at all. The police know the difference because they can look at the database from the computers in their vehicles and see if you have one on record. Simple as that! They can even tell if it’s been suspended, if there are restrictions, etc. So, nice try anyway!
The phrase “driving without a license” can refer either to someone who has no license at all or to someone who does not have their license with them. As I said.
Civilizations die of suicide.
Is it time that our police were required by law to enforce the law . . .?
Just another entry in the long list of reasons why people despise cops and all they stand for.
As long as the public service unions, including the police and firemen unions, continue to funnel huge amounts of campaign cash to democrat party candidates at all levels of government, insane marxist policies which take away US Citizens basic liberties and reward law breaking illegal aliens will continue to proliferate at all levels of California society.
Why the surprise and indignation Mr. Dunphy, your union is part of this corrupt political system. Sounds like Chief Beck is a exactly what you get for a police chief under this system. “To Protect and Serve” – Just not the US Citizens.
Article 67 of Mexico’s Population Law says, “Authorities, whether federal, state or municipal… are required to demand that foreigners prove their legal presence in the country, before attending to any issues.”
That sounds “fair” to me.
In the past we sought to dismantle the inequality of privilege and class, remove barriers based on artificial differences, and make all equal before the eyes of the law. Today, we seem bent on creating new privileged classes, Balkanizing people into tribes and applying the law based upon the individual standing before the law.
In its Orwellian formulation, special pleading and grievance group privilege are the new fairness.
You should see their hate crimes prosecution unit. I interviewed the head about 12 years ago, and she was literally dripping with contempt.
Finally, someone talks about this!
I read that the chief actually said that only legal residents would have their cars impounded:
“The chief said unlicensed U.S. citizens and legal residents stopped at checkpoints will still see their cars impounded, because unlike undocumented immigrants they have the choice to get a license.”
http://www.scpr.org/news/2011/03/15/lapd-eases-impound-policy-illegal-immigrants/
I couldn’t believe this, so I went searching for more sources, but was able to find only one other source mentioning his comment:
“Interestingly, police will seize and impound cars of citizens and legal residents who also don’t have a driver’s license because they, unlike the illegal immigrants, have the option of applying for one.”
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2011/03/police-stop-seizing-illegal-immigrants-cars-in-la/1
Aside from those two, all the other sources I found simply said, “Illegal residents will not see their cars impounded,” leaving it ambiguous as to what happens to the cars of legal residents.
My guess was that the chief had stopped stating so clearly that only legal residents would be punished with impounding.
So my question is, is it true that only illegal aliens get this break?
Your piece – and your position as an officer – seem to indicate that yes, this is indeed as Chief Beck originally said it was.
How can they legally have a law or policy that applies only to one group and not another?
Not only that, how can they have a law or policy that punishes legal residents, while letting illegals off for the same offense, on the basis that the illegals committed another offense prior(being illegal in the first place)?
This seems to me a lot like the joke about the guy who kills his parents, then pleads for leniency from the courts because he’s an orphan.
“This seems to me a lot like the joke about the guy who kills his parents, then pleads for leniency from the courts because he’s an orphan.”
No joke Alana: look up the Menendez trial. That’s just about exactly what they did. Unfortunately for them they didn’t get away from it: they were here legally.
So now we follow Seattle in policing and hassling only those with money and something to lose, under the guise of “fairness”. Criminal activity by some is no longer of interest to police and politicians.
Seems to me Jim Crow is alive and well…it’s the people subjected to unequal status before the law who have changed.
Discrimination by race and economic means is the result, no more, no less valid than discrimination by race and economic means 60 years ago.
Idiots like Beck don’t seem to understand how this undermines all laws – why should I obey any law under this analysis? Most laws in some way restrict how I live. Tax laws have a severe impact on how I can live. He deserves a city of sofflaws and uncooperative citizens.
When police become progressives, where can we turn for law and order?
The Second Amendment and a .308 rifle.
You got that right. But those of you in calif. better start stocking up because your going to need plenty to defend your selves. Good luck
There is this little thing called a Ballot Box. Every couple of years we get to use it. Try getting to know a good candidate and backing him or for during one of our election cycles. It’s worked pretty well for a couple hundred years. Stop watching The View for your “news” read a little history, find out about the issues and get involved.
him or her
It seems that most of the sane people have the People’s Democratic Republic of Kalifornia.
How do they know if they are legal or illegal without the license? Profiling?
“I rigorously enforce the law,” the chief said.
Well, except that pesky illegal immigration law.
Yes! If my license has expired, I should leave it at home and adopt a Spanish accent.
Um, isn’t this policy a violation of the Fourth Amendment “equal protection” clause?
You aren’t going to impound one person’s car because he’s violating another law, but you are going to impound another’s because he isn’t violating any other laws. When did I fall through the rabbit hole?
how long before the north side of the usa mexico border looks the same.
the south side looks like sh!t.
This guy is trying to out-Villar, Villar. I remember when he was appointed. A cops cop. Cop background. Cop kids. All that good cop stuff. And here he is just another tool of an ueber liberal city government mayor who at his greatest said ‘we clean their toilets’. But what do you expect when to get through the interview you have to say the right things. But who think that he want to compete upon retirement with Villar as the head of La Raza.
When I heard the press conference and he used the word ‘fair’, I knew we were screwed.
It’s an effin’ shame, cuz now this white guy will have to make sure I always carry my license.
Why do the taxpayers of Los Angeles allow this man to keep his job??
I don’t know if this is just one of those questions of the rhetorical type. But if it isn’t, I might suggest that I would think at least 80 pct of the city agree with him. All this change both nationally and here locally just isn’t working out.
LA is WAY overdue for an earthquake. We can only hope that SOCAL breaks off and floats away. It must be possible ask Congressman Hank Johnson from Georgia.
And you wonder why the honest, hard working, tax paying citizens are leaving the state? Just one more reason not to wonder.
Viva l’revolucion! I’m getting mighty damn tired of us being treated like second-class citizens in our own country. This regime must be removed before it turns us into a third-world nation. This regime is clearly at war with the AMERICAN PEOPLE. This has never happened here before and must be handled in a way that hasn’t been used since 1776.
When the rule of law breaks down, revolution is not far behind.
If I were an LA cop I would either refuse to impound any vehicle, or, if I found an unlicensed driver I wouldn’t ask about their immigration status at all. Impound the vehicle and claim you assumed they were legal.
Works for me! “Innocent until proven guilty!”, right?
Throw “fairness” right back in Beck’s face!
Why should I not renounce my citizenship? I can still run for president. Remind again me what good is a US citizenship?
For anyone outraged by this, I’d ask, WHICH outrages you: 1) That citizens are getting their cars swiped for not having the permission of politicians to drive, or 2) That “illegals” are NOT getting their cars swiped? If you’re outraged at the latter, you pretty much deserve the police state this country is becoming. If your proposed solution to such injustices is to oppress others more than they are now, where do you think that will lead? And calling aggression “law” doesn’t make it right. The Third Reich had lots of “laws.” Did that make them civilized? Here’s a thought: how about you run your own life, and let everyone else run his? (I realize that saying that probably qualifies me as a terrorist in modern America.)
How about simply that drunk illegal invaders are being treated better than drunk citizens? I’m not as worried about the punishment as I am about the inequity. When law is applied disproportionately, it can only lead to anarchy.
Demanding that the law apply to everyone will keep abuse in check.
Mr. Dunphy,
Do tell, what is a ‘law abiding illegal immigrant’?
Man, the ONLY thing I get from the LAT’s is ‘blah blah blah, social justice, economic justice, racial justice, gender justice, wet, lather & rinse’.
What’s fascinating is those who ‘live in the shadows’ or ‘have limited resources’ or ‘limitations of their immigration status’ sure love their Section 8 Housing, welfare/food stamps/’free’ clinics/’free public education’/'free school provided lunches/ESL teachers/lowered standards and/or waivers for graduating high school, entering university/abusing the 14th Amendment ad infinitum.
L.A. County alone STEALS ~$625 million annually from Joe and Joan Taxpayer for welfare payments to children of illegal aliens. Attached is the proof from uber-liberal LAT’s..
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/05/local/la-me-illegal-welfare-20100906
Viva la ‘progressivismo’, right Californians?
Between California’s debt, ranking 48th nationally regarding public education scores, having some of the highest taxes nationwide, sanctuary cities outnumbering immigration enforcement cities and Moonbat back in Sacramento – I’d say doomsday came earlier than the 2012 expectation..
But these same “illegals” are putting in $50 Billion a year in your Social Security and Medicare. So I guess we owe them, huh?
How long before there is a movement by pandering Democratic politicians to provide SS payments to any illegal alien who signs an affidavit that they paid taxes under a false SS number?
They’ve already passed out billions to black “farmers” who don’t know which end of a mule swats flies.
‘Fairness’ never seemed so lopsided.. in favor of lawbreakers!
“he [or she] is given a “reasonable period of time” to give custody of his [her] car to a licensed driver, who will presumably drive it to the unlicensed driver’s home”
As a patrol officer, I’ve done this countless times before, legal or illegal, white or brown, naturalized or birth citizens. This is up to the individual officer’s discretion, the officer doesn’t have to impound. Usually, if they can get a friend or relative to drive said vehicle, then there’s no reason to impound.
Police impounds are making bank-have any of you visited Police impounds? Unless these Police tow & impound lots start paying it forward, I’m not going to give them business just for the sake of giving them business. If I can cut a good person some break, I would rather do this.
We give breaks all the time, folks. A brother of a cop, is DUI, gives his brother’s number, we (officers) go out of our way to help the fellow cop’s family (brother picks up DUI brother). A PSR’s mentally retarded son goes missing and we send extra (more than usually allowed) to search. We extend this same courtesy to the public. We give people breaks, folks.
You guys are politicizing just for the sake of politicizing. Chief Beck is a solid Chief, he’s got a son and a beautiful daughter in the force. They’re good people, so are most cops in LAPD. Please don’t make this an issue. There are more important issues to write about.
Anytime a double standard is applied in this way, it’s an important issue worthy of discussion. This is a display (among many others) of PC run amok. We badly need leaders who have the guts to set forth the necessary steps to bring it all to a screeching halt. There is just no good reason to have this type of approach. None!
Policing is an art. If you treat everything as if it were Black and White, then you undermine your purpose.
Spirit of the Law always supercede the literal interpretation, especially in cases like these. You MAY impound, not you MUST impound. Police discretion.
I understand the matter of police discretion and how that applies to this issue & others as well. This is a bit beside the point, which is the fact that this approach to illegal immigrants is so completely inappropriate.
You always treat career criminals better than one-time offenders? That’s what this policy does — it treats career criminal illegals better than a legal resident who screwed up once.
I don’t give a rip about your “discretion”, because that’s frankly more license for corruption. What I care about is what you’re being told to do.
If they are real criminals, I’m sure the cops will take proper measures. If it’s just Ramon from down the street with 3 kids to feed, why force him to a life of crime, when he’s more than willing to work and claw his way towards his American dream?
We are not talking about violent criminals here.
Your an idiot. I hated supervising boneheads like you.
Ofcr. Hanif, are you a Muslim LAPD officer? and are you Afro-American? You sound foreign.
What does it matter?!!!!!!
I agree, the Chief’s daughter is super HOT! H-O-T!
Thank you for your service, Ofcr. Hanif. There should be more understanding officers like you.
Hanif O. is a tool. Hollywood station is filled with ass kissing left leaning wanna-be Captain adjutants. I don’t impound cars because I’m busy fighting crime. Real crime. Ohhhh….I LOVE the Chief….he has such a beautiful daughter?!? Please never, ever, ever dare to speak for LAPD officers again.
This is not “discretion”, this is properly called, corruption.
corruption: the abuse of public power, office, or resources by government officials or employees for personal gain.
holding the spirit of the law over the letter of the law is not corruption, sir. it’s good policing.
What’s described above is called nepotism. Look it up. The cop’s family member receives the personal gain of avoiding a criminal charge and the costs, penalties and social stigma that go along with it. Meanwhile, the public is put in danger because a whole group of people feel entitled to break the law at will. It’s both corrupt and ILLEGAL. As is the policy which is the subject of this article. Stop defending it. You’re only making a fool of yourselves by defending it. The smallest child could see through this garbage.
I commend you and other officers like you, Ofcr. Hanif. Keep up the good work. And be safe out there.
Me and my husband, Ramon, know well that driving without a license is against the law but it’s just because of need that we do it – to take our kids, Mario and Lupita, to and from elementary school, to go to and from the market to buy milk and bread. It’s just too hard to take the bus.
What if you couldn’t drive? Think about it. We are people too. I think the Chief is smart to do this. I know there are many good police officers and they have relatives who have no papers but are still trying to make an honest living.
Too bad Consuelo, if that is your real name. The laws of America, apply to everyone in the USA. That is- {Except to our elite politicians}. If you are here illegally, then why did you come,was it to take the jobs from US citizens, or the entitlements. You had to know that illegal entry is against the law, and yet you feel its your right to do so– Why? Your children attend schools, paid for by US taxpayers,illegals receive many benefits, provided again by the same USA taxpayers,while our children and teachers to contend with overcrowded classrooms. No other country in the world allows this to occur, including Mexico,where anyone crossing their border illegally,soon meets with a Mexican jail. Why is that Consuelo? Immigration to the USA is acceptable only when people follow the law and come here legally. There are many people following the law to come here,why should they be pushed to the end of the line, for those break our laws???
We pay taxes too, Joan. Most ‘illegal’ immigrants or ‘out of status’ immigrants, go out of their way to taxes. Google it, there are plenty of articles about ‘illegals’ paying taxes in the US. You can get a special number, just to file taxes, if you’re an ‘illegal’. Learn something new every day, huh?
Thank you for paying into our Social Security and Medicare, even though you will never see any of it. I will have this when I am old, thanks. Gracias!
Dream on, Tim. If it’s even still there, the illegals will be getting it.
You’re a sock puppet, but you should be deported just for the hell of it.
This reads like the ingredients on a label of “Moron”.
Why can’t you get a drivers’ license? Oh. It’s because you are criminals. You are stealing from honest Americans. You are stealing their employment opportunities. Your children are criminals as well. They are are stealing tax money that is intended to educate US Citizens.
Do you use public health services? Are you stealing that from me too?
This from the Huffington Post:
“In a surprising show of growth, Hispanics accounted for more than half of the U.S. population increase over the last decade, exceeding estimates in most states.”
NO! REALLY? Who the hell saw that coming? I’m scurrying around like a cockroach when someone turns the lights on in confusion!
“Racial and ethnic minorities are expected to make up an unprecedented 90 percent of the total U.S. growth since 2000, due to immigration and higher birth rates for Latinos.”
OH MY GOD! NO!!! I never could have imagined such a thing! Why didn’t we have early warning systems beyond the Crab Nebula to prevent this! Why didn’t someone mention this or talk about it to me!
“…among U.S. children, Hispanics are roughly 1 in 4.”
OH LORD ALMIGHTY! When did this happen? Am I Rip Van Winkle? SOMEBODY TELL ME I’M DREAMING! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!
If you watch the Disney Channel, look at the faces of the kids? If Disney can adjust and appreciate the new market demographics, why can’t you?
Sarcasm, anyone?
Hmmmmmmmmm. Let’s see. What could the answer be?
Could it be cuz they don’t care about the future of this country cuz they’re making a zillion frickin’ dollars and live on remote asteroid estates where the only Latino they see is on a close circuit being tasered by their ex-football linebacker private army while trying to grab their Red Bull for recycling?
I know Chief Beck and his family, they are very good and fair people. They are only doing what is good and fair.
“Good and fair”?
Good and fair would be to treat illegal Mexicans the way Mexico treats illegals.
That’s Un-American.
It’s perfectly North-American.
“I’ll admit that on occasion I’ve stopped an unlicensed driver and let him go without impounding his car. I’m not about to turn a carload of children out on the street when their parent seems to be an otherwise law-abiding illegal immigrant.
But there is a difference between a cop on the beat cutting someone a break and the city’s police chief coming out and saying that state law is too great an imposition on illegal immigrants, then directing his officers to ignore it.”
There is no difference, if it’s a good thing to do and there are good people involved, then we do it because it is the right thing to do. Politics and policy should NOT even be part of this. Do the right thing.
Are you Afro-American?
For me, Illegal is just a term. It defines an act.
If a person just came for better opportunities and
there is no criminal intent, not illegal.
So you have to ask yourselves:
1. What’s a crime?
2. Who gets to define it?
Because we are talking about people, not criminals.
Why impound, if it isn’t mandatory according to the law?
I am one of the people who stole this country from the Indians fair and square. So, I get to define a crime.
See my post above. That is a crime. We are demographically wrecking America towards no purpose since their are already plenty of Hispanic cultures south of the border.
We are going to make a Detroit out of America – unfortunately without the attendant decrease in population unless Canada is next after America is a steaming wreck in 100 years.
Once Europe, Australia and North America are wrecked then at least I’ll have the satisfaction from the beyond of knowing that sneaky and unproductive people with a disdain for law, which is I guess your ‘family unit’, will sit and have to stare in the mirror without even a fiddle to play cuz there’ll be nothing else left to wreck.
Have a nice day America – it was a great idea while it lasted.
FEAR the ‘Others’. Watch Glenn Beck, we’re under attack!!! OOOOOOOOOOOhhhh, I’m so scared.
Quit selling FEAR, it’s old. Everything’s OK.
Ostriches are not known for their wisdom.
So which FEAR plan do you want?
I have, $9.99, $14.99, $19.99 and there’s the all the FEAR you can eat plan which consists of actually going outside and seeing what’s happening.
For an extra one thousand dollars, I can arrange for a no-expenses paid ‘tourist’ ride atop box cars from near the Guatemalan border all the way to America.
Unless they wandered across the border accidentally, they had intent to violate our immigration laws.
They are criminals.
Because they are unlicensed, ie don’t know how to drive safely and legally, are uninsured, and don’t belong here. The legislature makes the laws, stupid, and a crime is committed when a law is broken. You don’t happen to be here illegally, do you?
39. You say Illegals, I see People w/ Families
For me, Illegal is just a term. It defines an act.
If a person just came for better opportunities and
there is no criminal intent, not illegal.
So you have to ask yourselves:
1. What’s a crime?
2. Who gets to define it?
Because we are talking about people, not criminals.
Why impound, if it isn’t mandatory according to the law?
Yes….I also see families….the families of the Legal citizens of this country…and how all of them suffer a little more than usual for the sins of the lawbreakers…the usurpers who come here AGAINST THER LAWS OF THIS LAND to find a better place than where they came from. Did you ever think just how MOST of them got here? I’ll tell you. The majority of them paid a “Coyote” 3000-5000 dollars american to smuggle them across the border. Just to live and work here illegally….not to become a citizen of this country. They couldn’t send as much money back to their home country if they had to do like a citizen does…PAY TAXES! Oh…incidentally, it would cost them about that much in greenbacks to hire a legitimate Immigration attorney in Nogales to bring them into the U.S.A. legally as a citizen!!! Like the outdoors??? Think that our environment needs saving?? Just google “desert trail outside of Tuscon”…the illegals love our desert too!!!They drop all of their trash, bottles, soiled baby diapers,etc. ALL OVER THE TRAIL OUT OF MEXICO. Its a bloody mess….and think about this. If its ok for illegal people to come into our country unrestricted by your leave, then its ok to leave your doors and windows OPEN all night and anyone that wants to can come on in and make themselves at home!!!It seems right to me if thats what you want for the U.S.A.
Meanwhile, may I relate a story that just happened to ME last week right here in Los Angeles. I am an American born tax paying citizen of this country, BTW.
Late year I paid my registration but apparently failed to also obtain and mail the “Smog Certificate”, a bi-annual requirement by the State of Califormia to pay shakedown money to the Environmental slush fund in exchange for a worthless piece of paper. For the record, I own a late model BMW in perfect working order. Anyway, it typically takes the DMV about 1-2 days to process and cash your payment, and anywhere from several weeks to several months to do all the mysterious paperwork and complicated processes to mail out your “tags”. As of this writing, I still have not even received the notice that my registration application was incomplete due to the smog cert.
Anyway, last week, thinking nothing of the delay, and ignorant of the fact that I’d overlooked the smog certificate, and since such DMV delays have happened almost every year of my 20+ years in LA, I drove my car to the LAX airport where I parked it for several days. Upon returning, I learned that it had been impounded, learned the reason why was the smog infraction, and learned that inaddition to all the fees and charges to get the car back, that tickets were also added both at the parking structure itself, but also at the impound center.
Long story short, it cost me $1,065 dollars to pay all the newly minted “outstanding” fines and “fees” and other towing charges, and another $120 in taxi rides to resolve each aspect of this clusterf#ck to get my vehicle back.
Basically, I take responsibility for failing to notice the smog requirement, but due to a State failure to supply me with any timely feedback about the deficiency, and in a State which will allow illegal invaders to drive freely without any risk to their property or freedoms, my car was basically stolen and held hostage until I paid a staggering penalty of $1065+$120 to get my property back.
The current behavior by the politicians and State bureaucracies seems to sanction grievous lawbreaking such as illegal invasion of America, fraudulent driving by criminals under God knows what kinds of scams, while the State steals OUR property, and punishes we LEGAL citizens over the most minor of infractions to obtain their ransom money.
PS – if my American born nieces and nephews wished to attend California State universities, they’d be hit with staggering “out-of-state” tuition. Fair enough, since the local state taxpayer subsidize these institutions for the benefit of local citizens. But if you criminally cross our border and reside in California under fraudulent pretext, and remain for years without documentation or legal status, California has mandated that such lawbreakers get rewarded with in state tuition rates.
It is fair to infer that such scofflaws who arrive hear and actively conducypt fraud to obtain jobs and apply for ID under false pretenses often must also flout our income tax laws, etc. These criminals get rewarded with generous in-state tuition rates, but what is as bad or worse, this illegal scum is also eligible for other generous minority set-asides and handouts stipends due to their status as “minority” students under the affirmative action admission rules.
IT. IS. INSANE.
IT. MUST. STOP.
It is not “insane” to the politicians who are convinced they earn these people’s votes through these unreasonable policies. It won’t “stop” until enough people exercise the appropriate judgement not to pull the lever for these fools election after election. Bottom line, our politicians are a reflection of us.
So you’re blaming ‘illegals’ because your car was impounded? Very smart.
Nasreen – I doubt you’re as dumb as you’re attempting to appear, but you still need things to be super simple — so here is the dumbed down version:
I am a natural born legal citizen. I got my car impounded because of a trivial paperwork oversight, and the State of California impounded my car and then charged me more than $1000 to get it back….
Compare to:
The same State of California catches illegals, (who moat likely obtained their ID through fraud, which is also illegal) all of it far worse than any paperwork oversight, yet the illegal criminal not only does not get his car impounded, he pays no penalty whatsoever.
If you can’t comprehend the obscene wrongness and injustice of that, then you don’t belong in America.
Don’t blame “illegals” because your car got towed and your kids aren’t college material.
Even if you can’t improve your reading and comprehension skills, you obviously come from a failed civilization which was so bad you chose to flee. It might be smart to display an iota of grace and humility when addressing people from that superior civilization to which you fled. After all, none of us want you to turn your new home into the same bung hole you came from… We might begin to think of you as a huge liability. Oh wait! That’s already happening…
If you can’t argue intelligently about this issue, then you have no cause, sir. You are just a hate monger.
@White Lightning: Old worn-out words like “hate” and “racism” no longer bother me. There is plenty worth hating about the corrupt Turd World toilet the Democratic Party seems intent on establishing on our shores. A very high price for their treason will be paid in full one day.
Right Morton. So lets walk through it briefly.
Your 4th Amendment rights were violated: “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and EFFECTS, against unreasonable searches and SEIZURES….. and no WARRANTS SHALL ISSUE but upon probable cause, SUPPORTED BY OATH…” My guess: NONE of that was done. Most certainly you were never served with any such warrant.
Your 5th Amendment rights were violated: “No person shall be…. deprived of life, liberty OR PROPERTY without DUE PROCESS OF LAW”. I.e.: a trial. See below.
Your 6th and 7th Amendment rights were violated. For the sake of brevity I’ll take the 7th only: “In suits at common law where the value in controversy shall exceed TWENTY DOLLARS, the right of a trial by jury shall be preserved…” No jury trial for you. No trial at all.
Your 8th Amendment rights were violated: “Excessive…. fines [shall not] be imposed…” Such fines are absurd by any reasonable standard given the offense.
They were able to get away with this because they already had your car held hostage (had already stolen it) and the (unconstitutional, extra-judicial) fines were increasing every day. Half of your Bill of Rights protections violated just like that. And we’ve got two cops here, Jack and Hanif @34 who think they’re friggin’ saints if they “give someone a break” every once in awhile. They have the right to issue a bail citation AND THAT’S IT. Everything else should be decided IN COURT not extra-judicially on the street. That’s called CONSTITUTIONAL LAW. But they don’t really give a crap about that. There too full of themselves and their saintly professions to look at their behavior and see it for what it really is. For this they’ll be able to retire at 55 and get paid nearly a full salary for the rest of their lives. And we wonder why none of us even recognize this country anymore, especially after watching some good old-fashioned show like Bonanza or Gunsmoke. And we wonder why we’re going bankrupt.
Ofcr. Hanif O., Maria Consuelo, You Say Illegals.. –
For every honest, hard working, non-welfare using/abusing illegal alien you prop, I can provide 3 fold the sex offenders/involvement in the sex trade, obtain more federal/welfare money than disabled American vets, drug dealers, gang members/recruiters, non-assimilating, shipping tens of billions of AMERICAN EARNED dollars South of the border benefiting their extended family and country of origin’s economy, ad infinitum.
Not to mention I can provide 3 fold of unemployed Americans with FAR more education, responsibilities who would do about ANY kind of work in this economy.
Ms. Consuelo, why is it ‘too hard’ to take the bus? I live in the D.C. area and I as well as HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of us take the train, bus, subway everyday for work, social gatherings, grocery shopping, theater, etc., Total nonsense.
I lived in SoCal, the BLATANT overlooking of illegals in car accidents, DUI’s, ‘illegals on probation’ (?) and a myriad of other offenses is downright disgusting. My wife and I are one of the THOUSANDS who left YOUR utopia because, call me crazy, I like my paycheck to go towards MY family.
The look the other way/favoritism on display in this country for the illegal citizenry is one of the very reasons why the U.S. is slipping worldwide competitively, with respect to both personal and business finances, education, personal health, morally etc.,
As Jack Nicholson says in the movie, ‘As Good as it Gets’, “Go sell crazy somewhere else, were all full here”.
DC public transport vs. LA public transport is like comparing apples and oranges.
Can you provide references for your “statistical” claims?
Illegals are criminals, every last one.
Erin Valdez,
#1 – L.A. County paying in excess of $600 million annually to children of illegal aliens: http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/05/local/la-me-illegal-welfare-20100906
#2 – ‘Waivers’ for ESL students bypassing high school equivalency exams for graduation from the, ahem, ‘#1 State in high school graduates, Maryland: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/18/AR2008121802672.html
#3 – Oklahoma, which possesses some of the stronger stances on anti-ILLEGAL immigration STILL incurring problems: http://www.newsok.com/article/3536655#
I recommend driving through the Asian section of Norwalk into the Hispanic section of Long Beach, where MANY illegal aliens live in/around. Frightening stuff.
As well as Oxnard, Santa Maria, Lompoc (affectionately nicknamed ‘Lompton’), Guadalupe etc., Read about the gangs, police officers inundating elementary (!), junior high and high schools through these areas as well instead of patrolling, keeping those cities safe.
How 911 calls from Spanish-only callers have to be routed to a Sacramento call center/translator and a 3-way conversation is the norm..
Don’t feign ignorance on the subject, Erin.
Sorry Erin, I didn’t attach more stats to my claims.
- Aliens receiving more care than disabled vets. Though this information is ~6 years old, let’s ‘assume’ it’s gotten more abused: http://www.newswithviews.com/Cosman/madeleine11.htm
- Alien sex offenders, sex traffickers from a 2007 article. Though you can read about the current goings-on as well in the Washington Examiner, Washington Post, respectively: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53683 P.S. – Study up on the illegal Oaxacans in the U.S. when you get a chance.
-Illegal alien gang members from a 2007 article from CNN: http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/06/05/dobbs.illegal/index.html
-2005 article regarding remittance to Mexico, stats at bottom of article.
-USAToday article where the U.S. is ‘legalizing apartheid’: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-08-11-illegal-immigrant-childrenl_N.htm
Lastly, Arizona ranks 50th nationally with respect to public education scores.. since 2006. Hmph. I ‘wonder’ why Arizona’s LEGAL citizenry passed SB 1070..
I recommend, if you have a chance to see where Arizona, Nevada and California, ground zero so to speak for the illegal alien debacle rank nationally in public education scores, respectively.
What troubles me the most
I’d guess
is no one contemplating the ethics of illegal entry to the USA as an asset to a community
that’s like saying drug dealers contribute to the economy by spending money on prostitutes who can then pay their taxes
I’m curious, does LA County have a bicycle drive to donate unwanted bicycles to unlicensed illegal aliens so they can avoid getting busted for being unlicensed drivers and to better get to work now that LA can no longer afford to hand out free bus tickets for rapid transit?
Remember most LAPD officers are either immigrants or come from immigrant families, so they know “illegals”. LAPD officers are better at empathizing with the population of Los Angeles. These are people folks, not criminals. Let’s not paint with broad brushes.
“These are people folks, not criminals. Let’s not paint with broad brushes.”
Fine. Let’s just do away with all our immigration laws & eliminate the term “immigration” altogether. Just let them all pour into the country with absolutely no regard to what impact this is going to have on jobs, resources, tax revenue, etc.
Sounds like a real plan to me!
Those people chose to be criminals. They should be treated the way they chose.
Every single illegal alien is indeed a despicable criminal and a thief, stealing jobs and government services from law abiding citizens. Build the wall NOW and chuck them all back over.
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Oh, isn’t that cute.
Do you remember what ‘outside’ looks like or do you just make a bum’s rush for Eloi at night?
I will spend some time at your site when I am so old that all I can eat is Hormel spam and not even know I’m eating it or why I exist.
“Us pale fatties,” as you so affectionally refer to us fed-up, victimized citizens, can’t “appreciate the new market demographics” because we’re not a bunch of deluded, lip-syncing, computer-generated, cartoon air-heads like yourselves. ZIP-A-DEE-DOO-DA!!!
Where does it refer to you as “pale fatties”? You conservatives are so racist, it’s amazing!
If cops are already exercising good judgement by not calling impound, that’s all I really want.
I have no problem with officers using judgment case by case, often situations don’t fit into tidy categories.
Here we have an administrator deciding not to implement a law which was presumably duly passed by representatives of the public.
We don’t like it when Øbama does it, we don’t like it when anybody does it. It is dangerous and antithetical to the basic premises of the republic.
And who do the Liberals/Progressives/Radicals/Latinos/Blacks/Whites/Illegals/ [?] call RACIST???
Seriously???
Liberal/Progressive/Radical – Judges, Police Chiefs, ACLU, PRESIDENT, Governors, No Laws – No Constitution???
The Train Wreck of a Country we now live in is where LIBERALISM/PROGRESSIVES/RADICALS/ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION/SOCIAL JUSTICE/ ENFORCING LAWS ON SOME, BUT NOT OTHERS, has taken us. FAIRNESS???
When is America going to WAKE UP??? This is a Sick, Sick, Sick, Country with Sick, Sick People running it. Again I ask – When is America going to WAKE UP??
Funny, the last time I checked, most criminals are people. Manson, Bundy, Hitler… Yep. All people.
Let’s see now, that runaway train that killed a bunch of people in San Bernardino some years back… Nope, not a criminal. Why? Because it’s not a person. That mountain lion that killed a hiker? Nope, not a criminal. Why? Because it’s not a person.
As for the illegal immigrant kind of people, yes they ARE criminals.
They are here in willful violation of our laws. That is a crime. They are criminals.
They are arbitrary immigration laws, ie there were no immigration laws when the pilgrims and vikings came.
These are not criminals in the sense like rape, robbery, mayhem, murder and burglary. Or white collar crimes perpetrated by wall street in the trillions–which should be much worst.
You don’t like the immigration laws? Lobby to have them changed.
Until then, they should be enforced equally.
de facto vs. de jure.
>”They are arbitrary immigration laws”
All laws are “arbitrary”. Try telling the cop and the judge when you get pulled over for speeding that the 45MPH speed limit you violated was “arbitrary” and see where it gets you.
Gee, do Chiefs of Police get to decide what laws to enforce these days? I’d think that was a bit above their authority, myself.
People,
It is not a ‘shall’ or ‘must’ impound, it is a ‘may’. There’s room for police officers to apply their own judgement here.
Cops give movie stars, politicians, other cops and CEOs this courtesy all the time.
What’s the difference when cops give the down-and-out folks a break.
Is it so wrong?
Check your moral compass, folks. It may be pointing to Hell.
Typical Democrat thinking. Special privileges for the liberal elites at the top and the downtrodden pet minorities at the bottom. Hassles, taxes and fines for those awful Big Mac-eating rednecks who make up the 80% in between.
And we’re not bring taken over ?? Are we a bunch of fool’s ??
So all I have to do is hide my I.D., mumble some Esperanto and I’m home free?
Yeeeeeeeesss!
It’d be cheaper to just disband the police force but I’ll take it.
I can see a new “C.H.I.P.S.” series on TV right now. It won’t be as exciting since it’ll mostly consist of 2 guys sitting behind a billboard reading beer bottle labels and shopping for exotic hair sprays.
By the way, have they changed the law about assassinating police chiefs or are they going to keep that one?
Immigrants aren’t flocking to the United States to mooch off the government. According to a study by the Urban Institute, the 1996 welfare reform effort dramatically reduced the use of welfare by undocumented immigrant households, exactly as intended. And another vital thing happened in 1996: the Internal Revenue Service began issuing identification numbers to enable illegal immigrants who don’t have Social Security numbers to file taxes.
One might have imagined that those fearing deportation or confronting the prospect of paying for their safety net through their own meager wages would take a pass on the IRS’ scheme. Not so. Close to 8 million of the 12 million or so illegal aliens in the country today file personal income taxes using these numbers, contributing billions to federal coffers. No doubt they hope that this will one day help them acquire legal status — a plaintive expression of their desire to play by the rules and come out of the shadows.
What’s more, aliens who are not self-employed have Social Security and Medicare taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks. Since undocumented workers have only fake numbers, they’ll never be able to collect the benefits these taxes are meant to pay for. Last year, the revenues from these fake numbers — that the Social Security administration stashes in the “earnings suspense file” — added up to 10 percent of the Social Security surplus. The file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year.
I had no idea, illegal immigrants actually contribute to our Social Security and in taxes. This should be talked about more. Thank you for posting this. I will google the rest.
$50 Billion a year? WOW! Thank you “Illegals”!
This is a joke, right? You cannot be serious.
Then, again, you are a lawyer which means you made that Faustian deal with the devil in order to practice.
So what! I don’t want America transformed into Mexico. Ya got that!
There already IS a Mexico and let me tell ya something, no ones knocking down the doors to sneak into Mexico. You know why? It sucks!
What about the legal residents and citizens who are unemployed because a criminal will pay another criminal to work for less than minimum wage?
What about the fact that we have laws, and purposefully exempting a group from the enforcement of those laws is immoral and itself an illegal act?
“Since undocumented workers have only fake numbers, they’ll never be able to collect the benefits these taxes are meant to pay for.”
You’re wrong. It is federal government policy to give these people their social security payments when they retire. Yes, that sounds crazy. That’s the federal government for you.
This is a Tempest in a Tea Cup.
Realistically,
Cars driven by “illegals” are only around $500 bucks.
Impound it and the impounds ask for close to the car’s values in fees.
They know this, no one’s going to pay the impounds.
All the “illegals” do, is buy another humdinger and life goes on.
Back to square one.
The only folks who stand to profit are the impound/tow companies,
which employ “illegals”.
The cycle of life. One step forward, two steps back.
As an Angeleno, I’m more concerned with the Black population in L.A.
Several things need addressing here:
1) With the possible exception of a one-time proficiency test when you first learn to drive, a driver license is nothing more than a source of revenue for the state. A failure to renew a license then provides a revenue source for the city, county, or state “law enforcement” agent who manages to catch you without said renewal.
2) There is no evidence to support any allegation that having a driver license makes one a better driver. Again, it all about revenue.
3) Impounding a vehicle is nothing more than legalized theft of property, whether or not you allege you are a citizen of the United States.
“Several things need addressing here:”
1) With the possible exception of a one-time proficiency test when you first learn to read, a tax return is nothing more than a source of revenue for the state. Failure to fill out a tax return then denies a revenue source for the city, county, or state “law enforcement” agent who could care less about enforcing immigration law.
2) There is no evidence to support any allegation that paying taxes makes one a better driver. Again, it’s all about revenue and ripping off Peter to pay Paul–or Susie to pay Maria.
3) Impounding a vehicle or domicile for failure to pay taxes to provide welfare subsidies to Jose the gardner and George Sorros the billionaire is nothing more than legalized theft of property, especially if you are a citizen of the United States.
Tragically, this horrific double-standard held near and dear by the “Boobs in Blue” has occured for two reasons:
1.) The LAPD knows there’s NO MONEY to be made off infractions committed by illegal aliens– whose fake I.D.s, six names and NO permenant address render them untraceable. Plus, the cops HATE maxing out their impound garages w/ abandoned junkers that smell like dirty diapers.
2.) Special Order 40, spawned by the White Liberal Guilt that lurked deep within the recesses of Darryl Gates has now (thanks to former gang-banger and La Raza rep. Tony Villar as well as the other corrupt leftist Mexican politicians) been allowed to degenerate to the point where ALL illegal aliens as well as their tax-payer-funded anchor babies, are bequeathed with “Protected Class” status. Disgusting…..
You need Alfonzo, a young strapping Mexican gardener/cabana boy, who’s 3/8′s black on his mother’s side. *wink*wink*
I think this is the true reason why we hate them so much. We secretly believe they are making love to our wives and daughters.
Ah, so a drunken pig gets a break while your employers are sent to jail. The Blue Gang gets the service, but it is a courtesy when you do your duty to the public.
This is why people hate cops.
Police Unions need to be made illegal, police numbers and salaries cut, and cops be made to serrve the public.
Better yet, abolish them entirely. All we need is some meter maids to take reports after American citizens begin enforcing American laws in the same fashion as our noble ancestors would have.
My conservative brothers,
Although I am also concerned with this Hispanic invasion, I am more worried about the Gay & Lesbian invasion in Los Angeles.
If you’ve been to the Silverlake, Echo Park, Westlake, Downtown L.A. areas, you see them beautifying the crap out of everything.
How do we impound their vehicles? We should be impounding their vehicles, because they can pay the high impound fees.
Are you censoring comments, and labeling them SPAM? That’s not cool.
Why are you spamming the comments under multiple identities?
Doesn’t this violate the equal protection clause?
I know in my heart, that these people you have heartlessly labeled inhuman and illegal, which you’ve criminalized, are good, productive, tax paying people in our beautiful nation–land of the brave, home of the free.
Sock puppet.
Let them go be tax-paying people in whatever Third World toilet they came from.
As a resident of Los Angeles, I agree with Chief Beck and LAPD’s policy. There is no reason punishing these people, for something they cannot do anything about.
Here in L.A. you have to drive, you have to period, if you take the bus you’ll get there 2 days after, which is too long. No one should have to take the bus.
They could do something about it. They could go home.
They could have NOT BROKEN THE LAW IN THE FIRST PLACE.
They could take the bus back home, to the country where they have citizenship.
Seems like a more moral solution than continuing to be criminals.
I support Chief Beck and the LAPD in this matter. If you’re not from LA, you should just shut it.
If you’re not from the US, you should just shut it.
Close to 8 million of the 12 million or so illegal aliens in the country today file personal income taxes using these numbers, contributing billions to federal coffers. No doubt they hope that this will one day help them acquire legal status — a plaintive expression of their desire to play by the rules and come out of the shadows.
Bull. Think about it, the bottom 50% of incomes pay less than 4% of the income taxes. How many illegal aliens do you think are in the top 50%?
Illegals contribute little or nothing in income taxes. If they DO file, using a stolen SSN, most do so to get “earned income tax credits.”
Same old talking point.
Who cares if they pay taxes? They’re criminals.
Al “Scarface” Capone never paid taxes, he was a criminal. Bernie Madoff, Leona Helmsley’s “Only the little people pay taxes”, etc. See the distinction?
People, people, let’s stay clear minded and get back on track!
This police policy amounts to the following: having two sets of laws – one for groups that liberals like, and a tougher set of laws for everyone else. This simply can not be allowed, not even a little!
If we allow the police, politicians and judges to keep screwing around with the law like this, then in very short order we will have no law.
All the rest of the observations above (while many are true), are either less important than this foundational fact, or else irrelevant to it.
In most states, the original laws passed by the legislature regarding motor vehicles apply only to chauffeurs, truck drivers, and others for hire- transporting passengers or goods. The statutes summarize the original laws, but leave out the above. “A Citizen of one of the Several States, does have the absolute right to travel, this is unquestioned. But, an alien be it a Citizen of Japan, Germany, or the District of Columbia, does not have this right, for them it is a privilege to travel, as they are outside the scope of intent of the Original State and Federal Constitutions. This the Supreme Court has ruled upon numerous times. ” (see http://www.state-citizen.org/rjmarticles.html)
So amateur constitutional scholars who travel freely as of right by private car without insurance, registration, and license plates will have their cars impounded while foreigners in the process of committing federal crimes are ignored?
At least the right to travel crowd is familiar with such things as suing the tow truck company for theft and lawsuits against bad cops, which the public ends up paying for.
I’m from DC!!! What are you saying about me?
Relax, all you Chicken Littles. The world is not coming to an end.
Impounds aren’t mandatory for unlicensed drivers, especially when there’s a licensed driver available to drive the car.
We are not talking about violent crimes or white collar crimes that rob millions. It’s just unlicensed drivers and impounding, which isn’t mandatory according to CA law.
If they don’t have a license, they are not insured.
Impound the damn vehicle.
You are right NOT Chicken Little’ The sky is doin’ just fine.
We’re talking about the explicit establishment of two classes, with favors being given to the one that routinely breaks the law.
You don’t see the problem there?
You’re blowing it out of proportion, Rob. It’s just for specific operations. That’s all. Cool down, breathe.
“Calm down-breath” to someone who is neither hysterical nor inaccurate is just another way of saying “I’m too gutless to actually address the double standard”.
Your side needs better trolls-”calm down-breath” is just you putting your head in the sand and ignoring reality.
The rest of us aren’t as stupid as you seem to be.
I wonder if Mr. Dunphy could canvass the peculiar and trollish posts in this thread which mostly either have Hispanic sounding or Muslim sounding nicknames, and determine for PJM readership how many of these names are actually from the same email address. The monotony of the words utilized, the sameness of the silly themes of support for illegals which have been forwarded, and the strange and consistent distortion of comments in order to create straw man lies is striking. I suspect we have one or maybe two dull trolls attempting to make it seem that there is a groundswell of support for LAPD lawlessness and illegal insurrection…
I agree with Morton. I smell a La Raza rat.
There are two laws that are broken and forgiven, at great risk to the responsible driver: if a driver has no license, he has no insurance. Surprise, we are giving the illegal alien permission to drive without insurance; consequently, we must now carry uninsured drivers insurance to pick up the slack. They estimate that as many as 20% of drivers in CA are unlicensed and uninsured. Yes, it is the right thing to do alright, yea right. I have a Mercedes that was wrecked by a drunk illegal with no license and no insurance. I will sell it to any of you for what it was worth before the drunk drove his uninsured truck into my car and you can see what it feels like to be on the wrong end of Liberalism. I have a nice car that is wrecked and he buys another bucket of rust and gets drunk once again, what a great system.
You should’ve bought a Ferrari SX.
And your rates go up, too.
Take the bus!
Nothing new here.
Several years ago I was hit by an unlicensed, uninsured illegal alien from Mexico who professed to “No hablo ingleis”.
The idiot was driving in reverse at a high rate of speed and lost control and struck my parked car.
CHP did not want to respond, but I forced them to. They originally said just to get his license and insurance carrier and have the insurance companies handle it. I said he didn’t even speak English, and had no license or insurance and since the call was being recorded I asked the dispatcher, “Are you refusing to respond to an accident scene where a possible felony has been committed?”
The dispatcher became extremely hostile.
The other driver attempted to flee the scene but he was stopped by witnesses.
The female CHP officer came out, handed me a piece of paper, told me this was the report number, pick it up at the CHP office the next day and forward it on to the insurance company.
She let the other driver walk away, and told him to have someone with a license pick up the car.
When I protested saying if I had been the one who was involved in a hit and run, I would have been arrested. Why wasn’t the illegal being arrested and I demanded to speak with her supervisor.
She threatened me with arrest for “obstruction”.
Good for her, she should’ve arrested you for being racist and wasting their time.
Sock puppeting A-hole.
I have to ask: do you really think you are reflecting WELL on your side by ignoring the disparate treatment?
Or are you just “keepin it real”? Which in your case is REAL STUPID.
I’m really curious as to which you are…
I hate to agree with anyone named “Shaqeela” but I think you made this story up. I believe the CHP was hostile, the rest of the story is probably a fabrication.
Yeah, but you were Shaq’s biggest fan when he was still here.
One more example of the cops refusing to do their sworn duty.
I’ve been told by Illinois State Troopers I work with, that they are directed that, if they encounter suspected Criminal Aliens in arrestable traffic violations, they are to let them go. It costs too much to arrest them.
You and I won’t get that courtesy.
This is a lie. Did you file a complaint? What was the result?
If there was Hit & Run, leaving the scene of an accident, this is a misdemeanor. At the very least they are suppose to arrest them, process them, and finger print them, conviction is another matter. All LEOs know this, and won’t risk their careers not following this through. Why would they risk their careers.
I HIGHLY recommend you do a ‘ride along’ with an officer or a ‘sit along’ in Dispatch. You pay their salaries. It’s eye opening.
If you can, your library should have PJM contributor Victor Davis Hanson’s, ‘Mexifornia: A State of Becoming’ as well.
Viva la civilization suicide!
THIS (IF TRUE) IS INSANE. WHAT IS CHIEF BECK THINKING OF? THIS SMACKS OF NANCY P. PHILOSOPHY OF OPENING ALL OUR BORDERS. WHY ARE THE NEWS PAPERS SILENT ON THIS ISSUE? THIS IS JUST PART OF A LARGER PROBLEM. THE FAR LEFT “LIBERALIM” IS SURE TAKING OVER OUR COUNTRY SLOWLY BUT FOR SURE. A NATION THAT CAN NOT CONTROL IT’S BORDERS WILL CEASE TO BE A NATION OVER THE “LONG HAUL”. MAY GOD HELP OUR COUNTRY. DR.JACK LAGUARDIA
Thank you for that inspiring speech, Jack LaGuardia Airport.
What’s the big fuss over this. It’s for sobriety checkpoints. All checkpoints are conducted midway on the block, so as to give citizens the right to make a detour. These are temporary operations conducted by Traffic units. If the Chief says, stop all checkpoints, because they are a waste of time, this is his discretion as Chief.
If you guys want to be Chiefs work your way up the ranks. Otherwise, move aside.
You Tea Baggers, are some trifflin’ mofos, I swear, you are the most trifflin’ folks I ever seen yet.
WTF kind of a name is “LaShinqua”?
If it was up to me, the cops wouldn’t be allowed to set up random checkpoints in the first place.
Wanna detain me? Wanna search me?
Get a warrant.
Chief Beck is completely WRONG!!!! The laws should apply to EVERYBODY !!! Not “special” laws created for illegals ~~ for that is exactly what they are ~~ ILLEGALS!!! As far as I’m concerned, the illegals HAVE NO RIGHTS!!!!!! That is not to say that they should be treated poorly, just treated as any other lawbreaker. They are here ILLEGALLY, they do do not pay taxes or social security, yet, they receive benefits for food stamps and health care, etc. Why should immigrant status be a concern ??? Why should we feel sorry for them ?? Many illegals live with other families and pool their money together to live cheap, working for less pay and taking jobs away from LEGAL American citizens. That is their choice and for some, part of their culture. As part of AMERICAN culture, we mostly choose to have the American dream ~~ a home of our own ~~ not shared with multiple families. I am so tired of hearing “press 1 for Spanish” and reading signs printed in Spanish with MY taxpayer dollars. I was born and raised here in America, 3rd generation. I pay my taxes, adhere to every law wether I agree with the laws or not. But to have special laws for lawbreakers ???? Cheif Beck ~~ maybe you have illegal family members or friends that YOU are trying to protect ??? I have seen the damage first hand that illegals, given “special” privilages do. Most AMERICANS do NOT want illegals here !!!!! Would Mexico or some other country give illegal Americans “special” laws???? I think NOT !!! I’m tired of being friendly towards illegals ~~~ get OUT !!!!!!!!!!!!
Next we’re going to have a candidate running for office representing “illegal immigrants” ! It’s so simple..enforcing the law is just too much for this chief to handle..he is overwhelmed. Time to go. When a law enforcement officer says it’s “only fair” to treat illegal immigrants differently because they don’t have the same opportunities that we legal citizens do, it is clear that he has lost the grasp of what his job responsibilities were to begin with, and has become politically corrupt and down-right lazy. He has totally lost perspective of what the constitution is for. ILLEGAL immigrants need to be kicked out of our country without taxpayer funded representation, not given a break BECAUSE they are illegal. Why do we even bother to have immigration laws anymore? Can anyone tell me?
Sodomy is also illegal in 39 states. While sex w/ a 14 yr old is legal in 3 states. Laws are arbitrary, they can be changed and adjusted.
What about “equal justice under the law?” The liberal politicians think only the groups they favor deserve “fairness”, which is their word for “preference.” This is nothing more than political pandering for Hispanic votes. Some conservative group needs to challenge this miscarriage of justice
Hold employees we hire to protect us accountable for ignoring our laws and yank their pensions.
Thank you Officer Hanif, I’m glad there are police officers like you.
Not me. He has admitted allowing drunk drivers to escape arrest if they have police connections. I want him fired, I want him to lose his pension, and if his union objects I want it abolished. This kind of corruption is worthy of Mexico but a disgrace to us.
The liberal and illegal apologists here are great. Consider that the whole point of this is that instead of leaving it up to police discretion, the chief has stated a policy that favors illegals. I want you to consider any other group in society in the place of illegals – “White drivers will not have their car impounded.” or “Christians will not have their car impounded.” Any of those would be obvious discrimination and a clear-cut equal protection violation, so why is it okay to give illegals an exemption?
I support deportation for illegals who engage in further criminal activity, and I also don’t see how that it a problem.
ONLY in check points. If the Chief wanted to, he can do away w/ check points.
Police impounds and tow companies love these check points because of the spike in their business, many tow companies who work for LAPD are owned by former cops.
Maybe the Police tow companies pissed off the Chief, hence this new policy.
Maybe this isn’t about the immigration problem, but just business, not personal.
Two drivers are stopped at a sobriety checkpoint in Los Angeles and both are found to be sober, but lacking a driver’s license. The first, a U.S. citizen, receives a citation …
I’m intrigued. How do they determine if the driver without a license is a US citizen or not?
Because one the arguments trotted out for why we can never, ever deport the illegals is that it’s just too darn difficult to figure out who’s an illegal and who isn’t.
What kind of a country have we become that we have different laws now for different races?
This is similar to Jim Crow, except that now, black and white citizens both are discriminated against officially while brown-skinned illegal aliens receive preferential treatment.
Absolutely disgraceful.
Everyone should get U.S. passports and carry their state driver’s or ID card on their persons everywhere they go.
When officers ask for license, registration, they should also ask for U.S. passport or the passport card.
I like Mexicans.
So Jack, where does your beloved union come in on the issue? If they wanted to, they are powerful and could come down on the side of what is right for the city of Los Angeles and force a change. But, they’re not really all that interested in that sort of legailty thing, are they? Money money money. Me me me. That’s it.
I can’t believe all this activity / comments of backwood lawyers, pussy footing wanna be cops and of all things preachers bringing religion. REALLY! Vote the basterds out that made the laws, be as vocal to THEM as you re here in chat or just leave the dame state because you will be over run and forgot as soon as the illegals get to vote and wait for it, wait for it. That won’t be very long…..
If we had more Mennonites in America, than rabid Glenn Beck watching Tea Baggers, this country would be a better place.
Have you visited Circus Circus in Las Vegas lately?
I used to stay at Circus Circus in the 1970s as a kid, last week I brought my children and guess what? All Mexicans.
We are getting over-run, Circus Circus is like America, it used to be beautiful and wonderful and clean, now it looks like Mexico.
The LA policy change does not give non-citizens a benefit over citizens. Rather, all drivers (both citizens and non-citizens) are still subject to having the car impounded if they cannot find a licensed driver to drive the car within 20 minutes. It just isn’t an automatic impound any more – for anyone. The driver still gets a citation. The police don’t make a determination whether the person stopped is a citizen or not. Everyone is actually treated the same. I for one don’t want to have the police setting up “citizen checkpoints.”. They tried that in Germany.
The crash data is not clear whether the preponderance of unlicensed drivers involved in fatal accidents are non-citizens or citizens who have lost their license for prior infractions, but the experts think it is probably the latter since those citizens have already proven they’re dangerous by doing something serious enough to result in losing their license.
Another example of wrong-wing distortion designed to stir up racism and prejudice.
If Glenn Beck says we need these Citizen Checkpoints and U.S. Customs officers to be part of these LAPD “sobriety” checkpoints, it should be done.
Also, is it true that police officers let other police officers drive drunk? Because I thought friends don’t let friends drive drunk.
The Tea Party is here, and we’re gonna git Medieval up on this.
I work with Mexicans. Know what I wish? I wish we treated illegal Mexicans in America EXACTLY the same as Mexicans treat American lawbreakers in Mexico. That would be fair, wouldn’t it?
Do a little investigation into how the Mexicans treat illegals from Guatemala. You’ll need a strong stomach. Rape, murder and robbery are regular occurrences, done by official Mexican law enforcement officers and approved by their government. They think we’re a bunch of soft fools to have let them get away with so much for so long. Of course, their government rules Mexico for Mexicans. The American government is for sale to the highest bidder.
This isn’t going to end well. I see a military coup in our future.
ain’t ya ever heard that “two wrongs don’t make a right”?
How do the police verify that the illegal alien is indeed in the country illegally, to know that the driver may keep his car? Why not claim illegal status when stopped by the police while visiting CA?
You guys know who is for Police, Corrections and Fire Unions?
Yup, that lesbian from MSNBC. She’s a Rhodes scholar you know, so she must be right.
It seems to me that my country has gone to heqq in a handbasket. Or maybe even a trash basket. Who the devil is making these stupid laws?
I am an irate Legal Citizens whose grandparents came to this country legally and obeyed the laws, got jobs, and were proud to be Americans!
I can’t be any more moderate than my 1st statement.
Learn how to spell or do a spell check before you comment, please.
Dang chief, a little reverse discrimination there huh? You belong in Berkley of San Fran. What is it chief? Afraid to lose your job BY DOING IT? Glad I was a chippie. The boys in blue must really love you. Bonehead!
You’re actually glad that all you did was traffic?
You’ve never handled DVs that went sideways or staked out on gangbangers. But you get to call yourself law enforcement? Give me a break.
This really doesn’t surprise me. Just look at Attorney General Holder’s Policies.
The world is complex, dumbing down is not the answer, individuals and organisations have to learn faster than their environment is changing to survive and profit. Einstein’s maxim that “everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler” in this context means that we need to understand the bounds of the system we are operating in.
This needs particular thought in terms of modern community based policing, as, at the tactical level, the system’s boundaries are different to previous forms of policing; energy and material is input in different forms which need to be understood.
In terms of the entropy, the disorder & lack of information, we have to recalculate the formula as in many ways it has become much more of a cognitive problem; the higher up the management structure the larger the system bounds are made to encompass the disorder and lack of information. Hence, it is at the tactical level that success will, or won’t, be achieved.
This means that we cannot ignore complexity, quite the opposite, what it means is that we need to understand that the face of community policing is not mass analysis, which creates information and, yes, even the skill called knowledge; it is about understanding that delivers wisdom, and that rare capability the wisdom to perceive.
sarge, i know you mission bubbas are smart, but all that just went over and off the top of my ged beat head. dumb it down for us regular coppers, sarge.
Another form of double dipping and milking of gov’t/taxpayers’ funds is when Police and Fire men, when near their retirement, somehow miraculously develop disabilities or fake injuries. Garnering disabilities benefits on top of their fat pensions.
More shenanigans brought to you by those who “protect and serve” us.
The City of LA is broke–no more dinero. And we are paying traffic ofcrs $2 million, because they don’t want to write traffic tickets?!!! Are you kidding me?
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-ticket-quotas-20110412,0,2790462.story
LAPD officers who complained about ticket quotas are awarded $2 million. The veteran motorcycle officers alleged in a lawsuit that they were punished with bogus performance reviews, threats of reassignment and other forms of harassment after objecting to demands from commanding officers that they write a certain number of tickets each day.
The case goes back to late 2006, when command of the traffic division was handed over to Capt. Nancy Lauer. Chan and Benioff alleged in their lawsuit that Lauer and her sergeants and lieutenants made it clear to officers that they were expected to write at least 18 tickets each day. The number of tickets an officer wrote was recorded on their performance evaluation, the suit alleged.
This is utter none sense. This is my money they are giving to these lazy policemen. This is taxpayers’ $2 Million dollars. Stop, this has all got to STOP!!! Stop wasting taxpayers’ money.
You could definitely see your enthusiasm in the work you write. The world hopes for even more passionate writers such as you who are not afraid to say how they believe. At all times follow your heart.