If ObamaCare Passes, Will You Ever Be Able to Trust Your Doctor?
If and when ObamaCoup passes, one-sixth of the economy will belong to the feds. The American Medical Association (AMA) and all the other medical unions (that’s what AMA comes down to) will go to D.C. to get their money, against fierce competition from the psychologists and social workers, who are also trying to get their share of the loot.
You and I will no longer be the main clients for our medical doctors. We won’t be in the loop. Your money will be forcibly extracted from your taxes, and when we get sick we will be passive recipients of the kindness of strangers — like Barney Frank and Harry Reid. And Nurse Ratched. It’s not your doctor anymore; it will be the state’s doctor.
I would not trust my doctor under socialism. Right now I think he is on my side. If I get some dread disease I think he will try to cure me. Why? Because we have the same incentive: my health and well-being. That’s not true anymore in Britain, where the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) decides how much money the state can spend on you.
If you have a statistical twenty years to live, you get one-third as much as a teenager who has sixty years to live. It’s tax money per year of expected life. The old and sick are likely to die sooner, so they get less care — not more, as we do today — because we are much more compassionate than Dr. Obama will ever be. For him, “compassion” is just a rhetorical sledgehammer to get money out of the middle class.
That’s how they do it in Europe. The ruling class has its own high-quality medical system, just as the U.S. Congress has the best medical insurance today. It’s just like an Agatha Christie murder mystery, where the old lady is always afraid of being poisoned by her heirs, who will get the loot when she dies. It’s the biggest theme in British murder mysteries, because when Christie was writing murder stories, upper-class families were totally dependent on the family fortune, which was controlled by the oldest family members.
The younger ones received stipends, or they just had to go earn a living. So fantasies about giving rat poison to Auntie were part of everyday life. People speculated on when their parents or uncles and aunts would die and they would finally get all that money. The incentive was always there for the heirs to kill off their elders. Under socialism, the state will do it for them.
The best doctors will become accessed only through a parallel system which not surprisingly will be cheaper and of significantly greater quality…at least until the socialists move to regulate it.
Cheaper because there is not cost shift to compensate for government underfunding and marked reduction in liability as arbitration agreements will be necessary to access this system. No end of life care, no Emergency Room, no EMTALA, no HIV, no JCAHO, no threats from government bureaucrats or politicians. This adds up to 40% savings over current charges.
Understand the government will encourage this with declining access and quality. Why? Because these patients continue to pay tax for service they don’t utilize. Government will have a vested interest in pushing these citizens out of the system to self-payment…but count on them to tax the good care too.
The United States of America differs from the imperial family histories of Rome, Ottoman Turkey, the Saudi kingdom and the rest of what is written in the Bible in that our nation was built upon and survived by true belief in and living by the Commandments of God. Except for the USA the history of mankind has been a succession of (citizens and rulers) defying God; which is why they crashed and burned.
However, if you do not share that view take a trip back into the hills of Kentucky, Tennessee or West Virginia, steal someone’s lunch bag and see how far you can run before they run you down. At 100 yards there isn’t a stump jumper alive that doesn’t own your rear end; if you do something downright dumb.
ObamaCare is not only dumb, it is plumb stupid; a beast; a monstrous fraud and ripoff that, if passed into law will immediately set into motion the time honored Yankee doctrine called Reciprocal Pain, Revenge and Justice ( RPRJ ) which simply means you mess with or hurt me, my family, my friends or my dog and I unconditionally guarantee that it will be the worst day of your life.
No doctor is going to let the rules of the state override the fear of being struck by lightning; otherwise known as the American people royally pissed off because they were forced into doing anything that they know is evil at it’s core.
Yeah, I know all about those doctors who would ultimately for the government.. When my mental health care was mismanaged to the point I was “this close” to not being here back in 2001, my “GovCare” doctor got right in my face to very aggressively tell me…….
My Life was not her responsibility.
Please, guys, try to track down the Atlanta Journal Constitution’s A Hidden Shame series of articles.. Was online until no more than two weeks ago.. One can only wonder “why” it has suddenly disappeared after years of being offered as a community service to the state of Georgia..
That “A Hidden Shame” series is the exact system of care I was in only my care was through their local clinics, just like what would happen across the country under nationalized health care.. The stories depicted in A Hidden Shame were replicated in very similar ways in the outpatient clinics across our state.. There is no way we will ever know how many Lives so far, i.e. to this very second, have been ultimately lost to that particular government health care system’s ineptitude..
As an update to things locally, I met someone in open, visible crisis who was trying to get in to see anyone professional who would help them.. To date, that person was basically blown off and given no humanity, no alternatives in the meantime based on what I was told by that person.. It was taking three weeks for them to get health care when basically they were experiencing a heart attack of the Mind..
People like Obama know this pre-existing crap is already there and that it has not been fixed yet they are worming every which way they can to shove, shove, cram still more of the same………. down our throats.. There can be only one reason why they continue to do so without fixing the other FIRST:
Wanna destroy a country from the inside out..? Take over its health care system..
Six months, meh, twelve, done deal. Starts with the one Life you destroy and reverberates immediately throughout the community in a ripple effect without end..
Be afraid.
Warmest from Talking Rock.
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Not a pretty picture. Then add fiscal constraints 10 times more severe than originally estimated. In 1966, the Ways and Means Committee projected that Medicare costs, then at $3 billion, would rise to $12 billion in 1990. This was said to be an inflation-adjusted, conservative projection. The actual 1990 Medicare cost – $107 Billion.
Is fiscal malfeasance an impeachable offense?
Let me be clear – We the People aren’t choosing socialized medicine. We have rejected it time and time again including in its current incarnation. The ones that want socialized medicine are the arrogant, ivy-league, elitist technocrats who believe they are better capable of organizing and managing society and the lives of 300 million individuals better than We the People are ourselves. There are a lot of people like myself who reject socialism in totality and will fight, in reality and not just rhetorically, to prevent it. Obama and much of the Democrat leadership are not Democrats but are in fact true fascists. (Look up the word and see if it doesn’t fit the Obama administration)
The imposition of socialism in the name of “fairness”, “social justice”, or wealth redistribution turns the middle class into a dependent class who also become indentured servants to the state. We become a dependent class because we’re never quite able to earn enough to escape the shackles of the need for subsidies we will need to overcome the punitive taxation we’ll be subject to. we become indentured servants because we’re the ones who work to have our income confiscated and redistributed to Democrat constituencies. I won’t allow that to be my fate.
Much has been made of Obama’s promise that under Obama care “We won’t pull the plug on grandma.” But that’s a half-truth. Under Obama care, a bureaucrat will look up grandma’s age/condition on a chart and if she’s too old, she won’t be admitted to the hospital in the first place, hence no plug to pull.
It is curious that those who want Obama care are the same people who always say we aren’t spending enough – on AIDS research, education, the environment, public works, infrastructure, etc. But with health care reform it’s all about controlling costs. Healthy people don’t cost anything to treat or insure. The only way to save money on health care is to deny/ration treatment to sick people.
Finally, most health professionals will tell you it is a myth that prevention saves money by keeping people out of emergency rooms. Prevention, i.e., giving millions of people who turn 50 a colonoscopy, heart screenings, or annual mammograms for women over 40 will be extrememly expensive.
Having lived under socialized care, I have several tips for surviving the free care (as we said then: you get what you pay for):
* cultivate friends who are doctors
* use your doctor friends to get referrals to other doctors; bribes for care are easy to give when the recipient knows that the source can be trusted
* since everything “free” will have to be paid for under the table, try to have lots of cash for unforeseen illnesses
In the Soviet Union, good doctor care for life-threatening conditions was mostly (not always) a matter of getting it through connections. That’s how Soviet people got to be very friendly with one another: reciprocity is a great community organizing method.
The goal of Obamacare is to bring physicians under direct rigid control. ‘Guidelines’ provide the mechanism. Any deviation from the guidlines will require justification. The phsyician thus is transformed into an advocate, relying upon his judgement to argue his patients case. Very, very tedious. And most physicians will elect to meekly accede to the wishes of the ober-doctor; go along to get along (to be paid that is). Rather than being treated as an individual, you will be regarded as a statistical entity. Good luck with that.
Nice to know the Canadian system treats their politicans as poorly as everyone else. Labrador Premier Danny Williams is having heart surgery in the U.S. this week.
I hate to point this out, but when the American people allowed government to seize control of children’s education, and to pay for it by levying taxes, and staff the schools with leftist teachers, they set the pattern for doing the same exact thing with health care.
If the pattern holds true, when we allow government to similarly provide our health care, where will it leave conservatives?
Some of the largest unions in the US are those of teachers. They almost exclusively support leftist politicians. Their power has made it almost impossible for any voucher plan to pass anywhere in the country. The sobering lesson is that in the UK, the largest unions are those of health care workers who all work for the National Health Service.
Notice how conservatives respond to public education: they can only propose to run the failed, and horribly expensive, system better than the liberals can. Conservatives have no response to the power of teacher’s unions. They have no way to effectively counter when the NEA pushes the homosexual agendas, nor when the NEA, as it now does, recommends that students should read books written by Bill Ayers, nor that the schools are now used to recruit student volunteers for leftist causes.
People of principle must realize how dangerous it is when we allow government to perform and control functions that previously had been a private matter. What my children learn is a very private matter. We have allowed bureaucrats, and people who the bureaucrat has befriended such as leftist activists, to come between us and our children. What will life be like when we allow bureaucrats and their friends to come between us and those who provide our health care? We are enslaving ourselves and there will be no escape for those who come after us. We will have allowed liberty to slip from our fingers. We will have failed in guarding the precious thing that our parents entrusted us to pass on to the future.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/danny-williams-travels-to-us-for-heart-surgery/article1452524/
the above link is Canada’s health care system. it doesn’t give the details but there aren’t many things it would be.
if the USA adopts a similar system there will be no place to go for treatment denied or delayed
As it stands these issues exist with Medicare. Medical care for retirees is deeply compromised now by state intrusion into the doctor-patient relationship. It will only get worse if socialized medicine passes.
Stock up on single-malt Scotch. If Medicare reimbursements are cut further, you’ll have to express your appreciation to the doctors who take care of grandma for less than cost.
Why didn’t the Republicans do something about pre-existing conditions or tort reform or interstate insurance when they had control of the Congress and the White House?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/in-province-heart-surgery-was-never-an-option-for-danny-williams/article1453075/
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9. Old Soldier:
Nice to know the Canadian system treats their politicans as poorly as everyone else. Labrador Premier Danny Williams is having heart surgery in the U.S. this week.
I doubt the regular citizens have the same option. sure some will know how to game the system. but what kind of system do you need to game ?
Charles R
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Several attempts were made for tort reform and the Democrats filibustered every one of them. The Republicans never had the votes to break a Democrat filibuster. Remember how the Democrats used to go sheeziks about the Republicans using the nuclear option to pass legislation? We needed bi-partisanship and health care reform and all that other good Democrat crap. Health care reform was 10th on the list of the nation’s priorities when Obama made it the Democrats highest priority. Health care has always been a non-issue without the Socialist wing of the Democrat party to push it. Our country basically made a mistake and elected a Socialist, who masqueraded as a centrist, president. He had lots of experience as a community organizer and therefore we should have known better. We will correct our mistake as soon as we get the chance.
To be honest, once third-party payors are involved, the patient ceases to be the customer. Since Managed Care, CMS, etc pays the bill, they become the customer and there has been an inherent conflict of interest for quite some time. ObamaCare just takes this concept to the logical extreme of reductio ad absurdam. Want to restore the doctor-patient relationship? Eliminate third party payors.
The medical people I know all expect to retire or get into other fields. No one is happy about this. I have a niece that is already moving on to Doctors Without Borders. How can a doctor take the hypocratic oath and then refuse care to at risk youngsters, the disabled, and the elderly, who after all won’t be “contributing members”. I hate what the O-blame-a leftists democrats are doing to our country. 300 million of us love the insurance we already have. So we throw it away for the 30 million who are without? They are attaching an amnesty for illegals that they say will give the democrats 8 million new votes. It is not about health care–it is all politics–all the time.
Right now I can trust my local hospital to charge patients with illness about two grand a day for medical treatment. They pay about a grand a month for insurance so at least ..most .. of their care is covered until they get cancelled for making a claim upon their release. So the answer is yes…you cant trust your health care system now, but you will be able to after we passe health care reform. And the insurance companies will not like it at all. Let em eat cake.
Poor Citizen,
Who are these patients you know about? How is that the insurance company’s greed if the hospital charges, as you say, two grand a day?
If your health care costs are reduced your health care services will also be reduced. How do you expect government is going to reduce your health care costs? As I have said before, I think you don’t care what kind of health care you receive as long as someone else has to pay for it. Where did you get the idea that you are entitled anything that other people have to pay for?
The whole record keeping aspect will be a mess. According to what I am reading, the medical records will be merged with IRS records. Probably throw your voter registration in for good measure. I wince at the idea of a Democrat doctor giving me a prostate exam…
The poor Canadian Premier has no place to go for his heart surgery, but to Cuba which, according to our leftist elites, has the best health care system in this hemisphere.
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The poor Canadian Premier has no place to go for his heart surgery, but to Cuba which, according to our leftist elites, has the best health care system in this hemisphere.
Canadians know better then to Cuba for medical reasons (that is a leftist impression only held by Americans. Canadians go to the USA.
the premier probably thought it would hurt his chances for re-election to jump the cue and/or the procedure isn’t even available in Canada or it was detrimental to his health to use the Canadian system.
It was a man maid virass from Texass.
Oh, Richard A.. Said something of similar thought myself on here ages ago.. If people think there will not somewhere be calculated, organized retaliation against someone behind closed doors when all this merging of (electronic health?) records and voter registration, et al(l) goes on, PUH-HUH-HUH.
Reminds me of the Jerry Seinfeld sitcom episode, “The Package”, where doctors organize against, ban Elaine from receiving care after she tried to see what was on her health chart..
And don’t get me started on patient blacklists, including one site that was “alleged” to have existed in early 2000′s.. Every once in a while I still stumble upon references to the legal activity that surrounded that website……..
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Of course you will be able to trust your ‘health care provider’. Possible a highschool graduate, but I wouldn’t count on that. Highschool graduates nows populate the IRS and the Social Security bureuacracy. The dynamics of the human condition will mandate that they embrace the LED policy. That will help keep costs down. And might retard man made global warming. Diminsh CO2 emissions. Save the polar bears. LED? Seniors, that stands for Let Em Die. The most expeditious route to health care (rationing) reform. So sorry. Please be consoled that 20,000,000 illegals will bless you after you’ve exited.
What do the doctors have to say?
http://DoctorsVote.com
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“Why didn’t the Republicans do something about pre-existing conditions or tort reform or interstate insurance when they had control of the Congress and the White House?”
The Republicans didn’t have sufficient numbers to act unilaterally, the way the Democrats have gotten this far.
The scaremongers have always been with us:
“It is socialism. It moves the country in a direction which is not good for anyone, whether they be young or old. It charts a course from which there will be no turning back.”
—Senator Carl Curtis (R-NE), in 1965, opposing Medicare
“The doctor begins to lose freedoms; it’s like telling a lie, and one leads to another. First you decide that the doctor can have so many patients. They are equally divided among the various doctors by the government. But then the doctors aren’t equally divided geographically, so a doctor decides he wants to practice in one town and the government has to say to him you can’t live in that town, they already have enough doctors. You have to go someplace else. And from here it is only a short step to dictating where he will go.”
—Ronald Reagan, in 1961, arguing against the creation of Medicare
And Joseph, what was your actual opinion on this subject? A fourth grader can cut and paste and think himself to be expressing something profound. You should read that entire speech by Ronald Reagan. You would find it to be illuminating.
It was a man-maid virass from Texass. They are out to kill us and somes it up.
See title line.
3. Medical and nursing schools are open to all. Why don’t you go to one of them and become part of the solution instead of whining about it ?
19. Poor Citzen- I see the Democratic party is still paying you to stalk the blogs. If the Canadian system is so wonderful, why are their own politicians coming here for their health care ? According to you , our system is horrible. Apparently the rest of the world doesn’t think so. If you like the idea of government run healthcare, check out the VA system- I cannot begin to tell you how many of their patients we see in the private sector and how incredibly poorly they treat their own patients ( or NOT treat them would be more accurate).
“Why didn’t the Republicans do something about pre-existing conditions or tort reform or interstate insurance when they had control of the Congress and the White House?”
Nice to know that these are the real areas of concern and a public option is not necessary.
Ms. Causey, thank you for an education.
“That’s how they do it in Europe. The ruling class has its own high-quality medical system, just as the U.S. Congress has the best medical insurance today.”
That’s sort of what we have in the US now:
the ruling class still have their private care (and always will)
the middle class struggle to make payments on insurance they try not to use
the poor have nothing but the emergency room which we end up paying for anyway
yea we got a great system.
p.s. I remembered that I should never go on PM without my foil hat. Damn, now I’ve got a pre-existing condition.
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