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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/how_about_the_conservatives_le/#comment-21990</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 04:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m voting this November, but the president part will be left blank.  Which in Florida is a vote algore I believe.........
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m voting this November, but the president part will be left blank.  Which in Florida is a vote algore I believe&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: chiefpayne</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/how_about_the_conservatives_le/#comment-21989</link>
		<dc:creator>chiefpayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bovine Excrement!  I have seen LITTLE to cause me to vote for John McCain and a LOT to prevent me from doing so.  And for you McCainites out there, if you think McCain will win without the conservative base, you are sadly mistaken.



Frankly, I hope Ron Paul runs on the Constitutional party ticket.  I think he&#039;d get a LOT more votes than you think he would.



After all, if all you have to vote for is a liberal in each party, why bother to vote at all?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bovine Excrement!  I have seen LITTLE to cause me to vote for John McCain and a LOT to prevent me from doing so.  And for you McCainites out there, if you think McCain will win without the conservative base, you are sadly mistaken.</p>
<p>Frankly, I hope Ron Paul runs on the Constitutional party ticket.  I think he&#8217;d get a LOT more votes than you think he would.</p>
<p>After all, if all you have to vote for is a liberal in each party, why bother to vote at all?</p>
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		<title>By: John the Dennis Miller Libertarian</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/how_about_the_conservatives_le/#comment-21988</link>
		<dc:creator>John the Dennis Miller Libertarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Stewart,

to call McCain an enemy and a Benedict Arnold is disingenuous hyperbole.  It tells people to dismiss you because you&#039;re not a serious person.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Stewart,</p>
<p>to call McCain an enemy and a Benedict Arnold is disingenuous hyperbole.  It tells people to dismiss you because you&#8217;re not a serious person.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 01:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who would sacrifice liberty to gain a little security deserve neither liberty nor security.

READ:

1. BCRA (McCain-Feingold)
2. Amnesty for Illegals

McCain a defender of America? Hardly.

He&#039;s an enemy.

He violates his oath of office.

The Democrats will fight al Qaeda, too, though not as well.

I will not vote for a socialist RINO because I am supposed to be scared silly of barbaric religious freaks in the funny farm of the Middle East. AQ is disturbing, but so is the bankrupting of America by vote-buying socialism and the trampling of the Constitution by career incumbents afraid of a free press.

As far as McCain&#039;s service in the Navy, I remind people, only after McCain attacked our Constitution with the BCRA, that Benedict Arnold had an outstanding service record as well, prior to his betrayal of our fledging America.

You should have paid attention in November 2006. My guess is they&#039;ll be dancing the Macarena next January.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who would sacrifice liberty to gain a little security deserve neither liberty nor security.</p>
<p>READ:</p>
<p>1. BCRA (McCain-Feingold)<br />
2. Amnesty for Illegals</p>
<p>McCain a defender of America? Hardly.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s an enemy.</p>
<p>He violates his oath of office.</p>
<p>The Democrats will fight al Qaeda, too, though not as well.</p>
<p>I will not vote for a socialist RINO because I am supposed to be scared silly of barbaric religious freaks in the funny farm of the Middle East. AQ is disturbing, but so is the bankrupting of America by vote-buying socialism and the trampling of the Constitution by career incumbents afraid of a free press.</p>
<p>As far as McCain&#8217;s service in the Navy, I remind people, only after McCain attacked our Constitution with the BCRA, that Benedict Arnold had an outstanding service record as well, prior to his betrayal of our fledging America.</p>
<p>You should have paid attention in November 2006. My guess is they&#8217;ll be dancing the Macarena next January.</p>
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		<title>By: marinetbryant</title>
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		<dc:creator>marinetbryant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 01:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what&#039;s wrong with this picture. Each time a Republican or conservative abandoned their principles to keep the power for themselves and away from the Dems they lost those principles forever. Kinda like a temporary tax you vote for it now but guess what, you&#039;ll never get that tax back.

Tom
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what&#8217;s wrong with this picture. Each time a Republican or conservative abandoned their principles to keep the power for themselves and away from the Dems they lost those principles forever. Kinda like a temporary tax you vote for it now but guess what, you&#8217;ll never get that tax back.</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: John the Dennis Miller Libertarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>John the Dennis Miller Libertarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a former Thompson supporter, whoops, Romney supporter, whoops, hey, I really liked Coburn&#039;s CPAC speech.  Sent enjoyable willies down my principled backbone.

The primaries are precisely the time for all of this rancor.  It&#039;s the time in the process for our voices to be heard.  Today we move to the next phase.

Romney made a selfless, impressive and classy move today.  By giving the Republicans a healthy head start in the general, he demonstrated his business acumen for recognizing a strong tactical advantage.  Now look at the Democrats.  Do you really think Hillary will concede in so timely and graceful a manner?  Perhaps the Democrats are destined to be the party of the brokered, fractured kingmaker convention.  I&#039;ll take that advantage any day.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a former Thompson supporter, whoops, Romney supporter, whoops, hey, I really liked Coburn&#8217;s CPAC speech.  Sent enjoyable willies down my principled backbone.</p>
<p>The primaries are precisely the time for all of this rancor.  It&#8217;s the time in the process for our voices to be heard.  Today we move to the next phase.</p>
<p>Romney made a selfless, impressive and classy move today.  By giving the Republicans a healthy head start in the general, he demonstrated his business acumen for recognizing a strong tactical advantage.  Now look at the Democrats.  Do you really think Hillary will concede in so timely and graceful a manner?  Perhaps the Democrats are destined to be the party of the brokered, fractured kingmaker convention.  I&#8217;ll take that advantage any day.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a moderate Democrat--an extreme centrist, if you will. I still lean somewhat towards Hillary, but that could change. Though if--as I prognosticate--Obama will be the nominee, then I&#039;d *certainly* vote for McCain over him.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a moderate Democrat&#8211;an extreme centrist, if you will. I still lean somewhat towards Hillary, but that could change. Though if&#8211;as I prognosticate&#8211;Obama will be the nominee, then I&#8217;d *certainly* vote for McCain over him.</p>
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		<title>By: John Lynch</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dougf,

Thanks for the discourse.

I&#039;m thinking rebuilding the grand coalition isn&#039;t that important.  It&#039;s a source of votes, but it has led to so many compromises and poor candidates and muddy policy that objective observers can say it hasn&#039;t helped conservatives much over the past 15 years or so.

Just keeping track of the needs of libertarians and lawyers in the same issue gives most a headache.  Never mind all of the other groups that coalesced around the vague label of conservative.

If anyone has a vision that can reunite them toward some common goal, great - let&#039;s go.  If not, then let them splinter and some other coalition of 70M voters can take over.  I think the point is that coalitions are hard to maintain, especially if the leaders of the party don&#039;t care.

Conservatives have their positions.  They are quite willing to compromise, as they have for longer than you&#039;ve been politically active.  But, I doubt they&#039;re going to give up on their convictions because you think they somehow owe you.

Almost all of them will vote Republican this time around, as they always have.  I just don&#039;t expect them to be excited, and therefore turnout will be on the low end.  Some will give up, some will protest.

You can p-off with threats of being out in the wilderness; we&#039;ve been there for years.

Purity?! pah.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dougf,</p>
<p>Thanks for the discourse.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking rebuilding the grand coalition isn&#8217;t that important.  It&#8217;s a source of votes, but it has led to so many compromises and poor candidates and muddy policy that objective observers can say it hasn&#8217;t helped conservatives much over the past 15 years or so.</p>
<p>Just keeping track of the needs of libertarians and lawyers in the same issue gives most a headache.  Never mind all of the other groups that coalesced around the vague label of conservative.</p>
<p>If anyone has a vision that can reunite them toward some common goal, great &#8211; let&#8217;s go.  If not, then let them splinter and some other coalition of 70M voters can take over.  I think the point is that coalitions are hard to maintain, especially if the leaders of the party don&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>Conservatives have their positions.  They are quite willing to compromise, as they have for longer than you&#8217;ve been politically active.  But, I doubt they&#8217;re going to give up on their convictions because you think they somehow owe you.</p>
<p>Almost all of them will vote Republican this time around, as they always have.  I just don&#8217;t expect them to be excited, and therefore turnout will be on the low end.  Some will give up, some will protest.</p>
<p>You can p-off with threats of being out in the wilderness; we&#8217;ve been there for years.</p>
<p>Purity?! pah.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Roger makes a lot of sense. I also think that a lot of people on the  right are acting like whiney cry babies threatening to take their marbles and go home.

So McCarthy thinks McCain would support liberal judges? Not only is that nonsense, it begs the question: What kind of judges would Obama or Hillary support. In fact last night on Fox I saw Ted Olson talking about the gang of 14 was a good thing that got conservatives judges confirmed. Ted has been a darling of the right for years, but I guess now that he has said something good about McCain and judges they will have to say nasty things about him and come up with some juvenile play on his name,  and insult his integrity. They are after all spoiled children.

For the last three years the right has had a fit every couple of weeks over something. They have worked with Democrats to undermine Bush, because he was not good enough for them and now it seems many of them are willing to work with and for the Democrats to undermine McCain.

With friends like Rush and Laura etc, the GOP does not need enemies.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Roger makes a lot of sense. I also think that a lot of people on the  right are acting like whiney cry babies threatening to take their marbles and go home.</p>
<p>So McCarthy thinks McCain would support liberal judges? Not only is that nonsense, it begs the question: What kind of judges would Obama or Hillary support. In fact last night on Fox I saw Ted Olson talking about the gang of 14 was a good thing that got conservatives judges confirmed. Ted has been a darling of the right for years, but I guess now that he has said something good about McCain and judges they will have to say nasty things about him and come up with some juvenile play on his name,  and insult his integrity. They are after all spoiled children.</p>
<p>For the last three years the right has had a fit every couple of weeks over something. They have worked with Democrats to undermine Bush, because he was not good enough for them and now it seems many of them are willing to work with and for the Democrats to undermine McCain.</p>
<p>With friends like Rush and Laura etc, the GOP does not need enemies.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This arguing is enlightening, though otherwise moot.

McCain will be crushed this Fall, regardless of whether conservatives fall into line or not.

What benefit is there to conservatives, then? Let McCain get crushed, and let the moderates, RINO&#039;s, &quot;independents&quot;, and Neo-cons take the rightful blame.

Because any way about it, ready or not, the troops will be home in 2009 - and you will have McCain to thank for that.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This arguing is enlightening, though otherwise moot.</p>
<p>McCain will be crushed this Fall, regardless of whether conservatives fall into line or not.</p>
<p>What benefit is there to conservatives, then? Let McCain get crushed, and let the moderates, RINO&#8217;s, &#8220;independents&#8221;, and Neo-cons take the rightful blame.</p>
<p>Because any way about it, ready or not, the troops will be home in 2009 &#8211; and you will have McCain to thank for that.</p>
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