How Iran Is Killing U.S. Troops in Iraq
American and Iraqi military forces have repeatedly claimed to have uncovered evidence that Iran is supplying both Sunni and Shia insurgent groups in Iraq with various munitions. Operations in Basra and Baghdad’s Sadr City slum in recent weeks have allegedly uncovered Iranian weapons manufactured as recently as this year, which would seem to preclude Iranian weapons having been obtained on the black market. Instead, it suggests the direct supply of belligerents inside Iraq with Iranian weaponry by the Iranian military with the knowledge of the Iranian government.
Among the deadliest of munitions thought to be exported by Iran to Iraqi insurgents are explosively formed penetrators, or EFPs. EFPs are not new to warfare, having been used with varying success since World War II. The basic EFP found in Iraq consists of a short length of closed tube roughly the size of a coffee can, an explosive charge, a detonator, and a concave copper disk. When the detonator triggers the explosive charge, the closed tube focuses the blast in such a way as to turn the copper disk into a high-velocity copper dart that can punch through thick armor.
A consistent shape of the copper disk contributes to the uniformity and lethality of the projectile. Rudimentary machine shops can turn out crude EFPs that work on lightly armored vehicles, but it takes advanced machine shops to turn out disks with the precision needed to form a copper dart that will penetrate the advanced armor used by U.S. forces. It is argued that Iraqi insurgents do not have the machine shops needed to manufacture such weapons, but that Iran’s military industry does. The kind of machinery used in the construction of the EFP’s copper disk leaves signature tool marks that can — along with a metallurgical analysis of the copper alloy used — provide evidence of an EFP’s origin as incriminating as a finger print, and experts claim that finger points to Tehran.
Why are EFPs a weapon favored by insurgents in Iraq? It is a matter of lethality and portability. PJ Media has obtained relatively rare photos of American vehicles targeted with EFPs and IEDs in Iraq, showing why these weapons are such a threat to American forces.
Early in the war, artillery shells were the primary explosives used to create IEDs. The larger artillery shell-based IEDs are still among the most deadly of weapons used by insurgent forces, and are capable of destroying most coalition vehicles if directly hit. Below are the remains of an American vehicle that was destroyed by an IED made from a large high-explosive artillery shell:
This pile of scrap metal was at one point an up-armored M114 Humvee before it was destroyed by a large artillery shell IED.
While brutally effective on even the largest American armored vehicles, IEDs made from large artillery shells are long and heavy, making them difficult both to transport and conceal. This kind of weapon is also a non-directional proximity weapon, meaning it must be placed very close to its target to have the desired effect. Hence, it needs to be buried in the road, or immediately off the side of the road, just feet from its target, to have its best effect. If the road is under observation by Iraqi or American security forces, there is a significant chance that those planting the IED may be killed or captured instead of successfully carrying out their attack.
EFPs do not have limitations as severe as other IEDs.
EFPs are much smaller and lighter than a conventional IED capable of piercing armor, and because they fire a projectile they can be placed further away and aimed at a target, often with devastating results.
This is an M114 up-armored Humvee hit with an EFP in the passenger-side front door:
Note that the high-velocity copper dart fired from an angle slightly below and behind the vehicle entered the passenger compartment through the door and exited through the hood in front of the passenger-side windscreen:
An interior view of the passenger side door shows how the copper projectile ripped violently through the door, fragmenting the interior door armor and causing significant damage before exiting though the dashboard:
A close-up of the passenger-side door where the EFP entered the passenger compartment:
EFPs are favored by anti-coalition forces in Iraq due to their light weight, concealability, and lethality. It is the particular effectiveness in defeating advanced modern armor that may indicate that Iran is responsible for manufacturing and distributing weapons that have killed and wounded American soldiers.
It remains to be seen if the American government will continue to allow the Iranian plants manufacturing these weapons to exist.
Bob Owens blogs at Confederate Yankee.










What are we waiting for? If Bush doesn’t do something it won’t get done… even when the war moves to our soil.
Seriously, we should get some of our Shia friends in Baghdad to return the favor.
http://www.bothinonetrench.com
I agree with drbob, let’s do something now. Oh but we are busy worrying about polar bears right now.
This story isn’t a news flash: For at least several months there have been weapons from Iran found in vehicles and stockpiles in Iraq. Something interesting and the basis of my thinking that nothing will be done is this: In the beginning push toward Baghdad a number of Syrian and Iranian soldiers were the sole participants in ambushs on Marine convoys and were killed with their passports on them as proof and I don’t remember being told that then.
I doubt that Bush will do anything, his usefullness dried up two years ago.
If anything, Israel will do something and we will reward them by replacing some weapons. What a courageous government we have!!
Politics. It’s all a matter of timimg.
If President Bush was to give the go ahead today, that would start a clock ticking. The Military would have 60 days to fight before having to give a report to Congress, then Congress would have 30 days to study that report and decide if the fighting should continue.
It is May 16, 2008. So the first report would be due July 15th. The Cut and run crowd would go ballistic. Letters and E-mail would pour into Congressional offices. Impeachment proceedings would start about the 6th of June, dpending on what happened in the primaries. ALL funds would be cut off. ALL FUNDS. Not a dime would come out of Congress.
Congress would study the report they got on July the 15th for about 10 minutes, then Order all US troops out of Iraq AND Afghanistan. Immediately as in it’s a long walk if you miss the plane. President Bush would either order the troops home or be impeached within the week. Normal impeachment proceeding take about 6 months, but that is just because the Congress critters like watching Presidents squirm. No reason it can’t be done in a day if that is what the Congressional leadership wants. Any Republican that tried a filibuster would be committing professional suicide.
On the other hand, if President Bush waits until October, the timing works for him. An October start date means the 60 day report is due in Dec, rigth AFTER the Holiday recess of Congress. That means they can’t act on that report until mid Jaburary, or a week before the next President is sworn in.
The other good thing about an October start date is that it will be time for the Congress critters standing for re-election to go home to their voters and explain why they are voting for Iran instead of America. Not something any Congress critter wants to do.
So the timing is good anytime after about the middle of August, best in October and real bad before the End of July.
Remember how the moonbats feel about this. It’s not impossible that bombing Iran could start a civil war here in America. Very unlikly, but NOT impossible.
On a positive note, the Demonrats will have one bloody convention this summer. It will be a real hoot watching Code Pink in street battles against ANSWER, or the Sierra Club in a cage match against PETA. Ratings will be thru the roof. I can see the networks wanting to do it very year as a ‘reality show’. God knows nobody watches anything else on TV.
A US attack on Iran would force al-Maliki’s government to choose between its American occupiers and its Iranian backers. Al-Maliki is already stalling, demanding proof of Iranian interference or weapons shipments, which the US has so far been unable to produce. If he’s smart, he’s also double-crossing us and making back-channel alliances with al-Sadr.
This promises to be interesting, no matter how it plays. But we definitely need a new war, if only for the economic boost and to distract attention from out spectacular failures in Afghanistan and Iraq, our incipient misadventure in Somalia and our general inability to be taken seriously by any nation larger than Grenada.
I am neither a soldier nor a doctor, but — as the father of a soldier injured in Afghanistan — I HAVE spent some time at Walter Reed and Brooke Army Medical Center. During that time, I have met a fairly good number of injured/wounded troops. I have gotten to the point where in some cases — without any conversation — I can look at a wounded soldier and be able to tell by the pattern and nature of the scars/wounds that he was the victim of an EFP attack. If you can imagine someone standing beneath a large bucket of molten steel from which drops and dollops of liquid metal are dripping, you can probably get an idea of the kind of scars that EFPs leave — dark red circles on the body where the blobs of molten copper from the EFP projectile enters — and often stays inside — the body. When I saw these wounds — and realized that these were the work of the Iranians — and realized that our Government was doing precisely NOTHING to Iran for this, it did NOT fill me with confidence in our leaders — civilian or military. It DID make me angry that tho plants where these devices are being produced are still standing.
Iran is a major exporter of metallic copper and copper ore. It’s products end up strewn all over the region, including Iraq. Iraq’s government regularly has its stall set out at international trade fairs boasting Iraqi companies have exactly the kind of heavy machining equipment that the US military says they don’t have. At least two companies, in Singapore and New Zealand, have a major business in importing exactly that kind of equipment into Iraq.
That EFPs are anything more than home-made menaces is still to be proven.
“That EFPs are anything more than home-made menaces is still to be proven.”
If Ahmadinejad announced to the world that he personally built EFPs with his own little hands, you wouldn’t believe it.
I wish people would just be honest and say, “No matter what Bush and the U.S. military allege, I will always reject it.”
Iran must not be allowed to have nuclear weapons. Any US president who passively allows the apocalyptic revolutionary islamist government of Iran to go nuclear deserves no respect nor protection.
“A US attack on Iran would force al-Maliki’s government to choose between its American occupiers and its Iranian backers. Al-Maliki is already stalling, demanding proof of Iranian interference or weapons shipments, which the US has so far been unable to produce.”
Clueless. If you hurry, you might be able to catch up with the turnip truck. JAM is finished. They have surrendered amd turned in their weapons. Quds force is running for their lives. Any still in Iraq by the end of May will be in Jail.
Iraq is a done deal. The Iranians will set off a few more bombs, but that won’t change anything.
The elections in October WILL go forward.
The Evidence on the Iranian IED’s is strong enough to get a conviction in an American court of law.
By this time next year, the Mad Dog Mullahs will be in their graves or in hiding.
“That EFPs are anything more than home-made menaces is still to be proven.”
The fact that they are going off in Iraq and ALL your remarks prove they are “homemade in Iran” is as much evidence as anyone needs. Your own words prove you a liar.
“Iraq is a done deal.”
I wholeheartedly agree. All thinking, feeling people owe our troops a huge debt of gratitude for their unimaginable bravery in bringing about this victory.
As for the damage Iranian EFPs do, everyone should check out Bill Ardolino’s slide show “In Pictures: From Rusafa to Sadr City” on The Long War Journal.
http://tinyurl.com/3m9wkz
Go to Picture 12. Here’s the caption:
“A soldier wears ‘Gunner’s Pants’ while manning the turret of a Humvee. The garment is designed to hold all of the pieces of shredded legs in place after an individual is hit with an explosively formed penetrator roadside bomb. Maintaining the pieces in the pants gives surgeons a chance to repair and reattach the severed legs.”
Think about it: Our troops volunteer to go on missions for which they must wear special pants to keep the pieces of their legs in one general location so that doctors can try to fit them back together.
Have you ever heard of such courage in your life?
And who provides the EFPs that make these pants necessary? Why, the wonderful, peace-loving, honorable Persians! The people Obama wants to talk to without preconditions.
We should talk to them only after the precondition of bombing the living hell out of them. Destroy their offensive military capabilities first. I’ll gladly pay $6 a gallon for gas for a month, if it means we put an end to the mullahs’ reign of terror once and for all.
The Army quietly announced last week, after performing tests and investigations that the munition devidces described in Iraq were not manufactured in Iran. This was intentionally not widely reported.
A Tale of Two Countries
It has been said that the measure of a people is the compassion they show the least fortunate amongst them. This paraphrase of what the Prince of Peace or the Buddha might have said is just as relevant today as it was 2,000 years ago.
United States. August, 2005
Hurricane Katrina struck and virtually wiped out large swaths of the Gulf coast of Louisiana, especially New Orleans, and ravaged the coast of Mississippi and flooded parts of Florida as well. It displaced nearly a million people, some 100,000 for a year or more. Tens of thousands of these refugees were re-settled permanently in other states. Much of these services came from private aid groups, including donations from dozens of countries, including Venezuela, which the US to this day demonizes.
Cuba, having a large, well-trained medical corps and extensive hurricane disaster relief expertise, offered with no strings attached, to send immediate help. They were arrogantly rebuffed by the US – as usual.
What did the US Executive Branch do? What did the head of FEMA do during that dark, terrifying first week? Not much. He wasted time trying to convince others that the situation was no big deal, rather than take action and show leadership. Neither came. FEMA director Michael Brown didn’t lose any sleep, and neither did anyone else in the federal government, other than possibly the oceanographic and weather bureau. Cuba was far more on the ball and proactive about what was about to hit the US than the US itself was.
Michael Brown, whose prior experience consisted of being fired from the group that organizes Arabia show-horse events, stayed in Washington DC, while bodies floated down St. Charles and Canal Streets and elsewhere. He sat on his ass, while old people and children were packed into the Superdome – to be robbed, raped, and killed by armed monsters. The innocents were left with no protection. Brutalized, hungry, lacking even the most basic medical treatment, many died in the Stadium, which became a living Hell. Bodies, including that of a 7 year old girl that had been brutally gang-raped in a restroom by eight men, then stabbed to death, were left out in front like garbage to be hauled away. Bush played golf. Cheney was either in his secret bunker, or pheasant hunting somewhere. In either event, he was MIA, intentionally avoiding a word to the press, or to the public during one of its most difficult times.
Roaming bands of armed thugs terrorized neighborhoods. They broke into hospitals and pharmacies to steal drugs. They broke into homes to steal weapons and in many cases, killed any occupants they encountered as they entered. Snipers positioned themselves in buildings near the Superdome to fire on aid workers. Many thugs ran from building to building, setting them on fire. Parts of The city burned. Some neighborhoods turned into armed strongholds to take-on bands of armed looters looking for their next victims.
As this was happening, the mass exodus and chaos spread. Police deserted their posts to join in with the looters. There was no military presence for weeks. In some cases, the private mercenaries hired by wealthy homeowners, fired on civilians who posed no danger (ie, thrill killings in the fog of chaos).
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China, May 2008.
By comparison, what did China do this month, when faced with a powerful earthquake in a densely populated region?
No looting – people banded together to form close-knit support teams, fully cooperating with each other and their local services.
The prime minister of China was on a plane to the epicenter within hours to do his best to show compassion, to give emotional support, and to assess the degree of suffering and determine the level of need. Initial search and rescue and aid teams poured into the area within hours.
Within two days, the 130 thousand troops that the prime minister had dispatched to assist in rescue and relief operations had arrived.
The prime minister immediately laid out specific plans of action and matched them with specific measures for financial assistance.
In spite of massive destruction and loss of life, relief and rescue operations were arefully and efficiently coordinated at all levels of the cities, counties, provinces and the Chinese national government.
I used to wonder why the people of China have done so well the past 30 years, and why their country’s economy and future are so bright. Now I know.
And in contrast, I look at the barbarism lurking under the surface of the American psyche, and how prone to hate and violence we are.
We can express rage, and employ devastation far better and faster than any other people on this planet. We have truly perfected the method of death, and in bringing destruction down on those who have a different skin color or political belief or religion, or who possess resources we are lacking. What happened in the aftermath of Katrina truly provides a mirror of what we are. For Americans our God is Greed and Greed has been good. Greed always has been good and perhaps always will be.
But then, when Greed no longer works, who will be the ones to come to our rescue, to save us from ourselves?
Turret 205:
You forgot to mention the widespread cannibalism in New Orleans during Katrina, and the fact that the Chinese dictators, oops, I mean benevolent leaders, went to the earthquake epicenter, rolled up their sleeves, and personally dug out victims using their own mouths as bucket excavators.
When American Greed no longer works, I fully expect the Red Chinese to come to our rescue.
I for one will welcome our new overlords. I look forward to living in a land of poisonous toys and medicine, shower thongs that burn your feet, enforced abortions, rampant infanticide, political prisons, censorship of the press, involuntary organ harvesting, collapsing buildings, and environmental catastrophe.
It will be… utopia.
Please let us go home.
We are needed at our own neighborhood.
We have a lot of work to do at home. What are we doing in Iraq, 7000 miles away from home?
We have killed a lot of people in the Middle East and paid a price for our invasion of the land. The price is being paid by people in our great Armed Forces and our children who have to pay for the cost of our adventurisms.
Don’t believe it for a minute that we are in the Middle East to give them democracy. Let us do that in our own backyard, our own hemisphere. Please travel to Mexico, our nearest neighbor. Let us spend some of our money and expertise to better the life for these people. Really if we want to do something right, spend the money and manpower in Africa among the neediest people in the world. Feed them and educate them.
We can’t even fool ourselves anymore. Middle East will do best without us; they have done it for over 4000 years.
Please let us go home.
Please let us go home. We are needed at our own neighborhood.
We have a lot of work to do at home. What are we doing in Iraq, 7000 miles away from home?
We have killed a lot of people in the Middle East and paid a price for our invasion of the land. The price is being paid by people in our great Armed Forces and our children who have to pay for the cost of our adventurisms.
Don’t believe it for a minute that we are in the Middle East to give them democracy. Let us do that in our own backyard, our own hemisphere. Please travel to Mexico, our nearest neighbor. Let us spend some of our money and expertise to better the life for these people. Really if we want to do something right, spend the money and manpower in Africa among the neediest people in the world. Feed them and educate them.
We can’t even fool ourselves anymore. Middle East will do best without us; they have done it for over 4000 years.
Please let us go home.
At least make a better argument. US made weapons are all around the world. AlQade used US made Boeing. Does that make US complicit? They just want to point the gun at Iran, just do it, you don’t need to reason.
I am not sure how this will be received here. I am an Iranian and I am seriously worried that if Mc Cain gets elected we will get the same as what Iraq got. It doesn’t make good folks. The world is NOT just one push away of becoming a nice place. Iraq proved it. A sanction-weakened country that was supposed to be taken over in a week and have a democracy in a month shows that we are not one or two strike away from making this world a heaven. If you are interested, and if you don’t think this is the same as Hamas’s endorsement, I have made a clip about your presidential campaign. I don’t mean to interfere in it, it is just our perspective as people whom your elections are a matter of life and death for us: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuVYlGZmtYg
How about Iranians get some backbone and overthrow your disgusting, terrorism-sponsoring dictators?
The Romanians did it. They rose up with no weapons, and they took on the government, the army, and the police. Yes, lots of Romanians were killed, but they willingly made the sacrifice in the name of freedom.
If you don’t rein in your leaders, we will.
That’ll be a tragedy for Iranians, but we have to think about our troops first.
Your leaders’ actions are a matter of life and death for us, too.
Overthrow them, or face the consequences.
Are the photos of battle damage really necessary to make the point?
generally speaking, showing photos of battle damage is doing BDA for the enemy, and is typically avoided unless it’s considered an already known quantity. Since you mentioned that “Thanks to confidential sources inside Iraq, I have relatively rare photos of an EFP strike”, it would seem that the pentagon would deem these photos an opsec violation. Unless you’ve got some kind of permission or can make a good arguement why it’s necessary, I think the photos should be removed from the post.
Otherwise, I appreciate the work you’re doing and the message you’re trying to get out.
Stop trying to blame your failures on Iran. Grow your backbone and overthrow your AIPAC Israeli bosses that have corrupted and controlled your foreign policy. Your leaders make a tradition out of swearing fealty to Israel, a foreign government. More than half of your foreign aid goes to Israel, right out of your pockets.
You should be ashamed.
To TOM:
1- Ahmadinjeda re-election is in one year. If you can keep your hunger for blood.
2-You have to come out of your fantasies. I told you that the world is not one or two strikes away from being a nice place. Get the lesson of Iraq. Come to reality.
3-As we do, you also have pretty disgusting leaders. The difference is that you have a quite selfish and arrogant belief on superiority of American blood versus anybody else’s. Blood is blood my friend, whether it is Iraqis’, Americans’, Iranians’, or Israeli’s.
Then you are blind to all the bloods we have shed and are giving to reform our politics. You are ignoring the prohibitive role of your disgusting government in meddling with Iran’s democratic movements in recent history. I seriously doubt other than war mongering you know anything of history. So read carefully. Iran should have obtained its democratic government in 1953. Your government and Britain overthrow our young democracy just for oil (read more here: http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-cia-index.html).
Iran-Iraq war ended (after your disgusting navy hit an Iranian passenger aircraft while the ship was in our waters, a fact that your journalists later discovered, and your disgusting government ignored, and gave a medal of honor to that fucking ships’ commander). We continued our fought for democracy; we elected a man whom you can now probably understand how different he was compared to others in Iranian politics. The fact that your disgusting government didn’t realize at that time and right after we pushed our allies in Afghanestan to take over Kabul and overthrow our enemies Taliban, your disgusting president labeled us as the axes of evil. How wrong that was, because after that, our suppression sped up, and the country knew your disgusting government just wants to attack us. And you don’t need to reason my friend for that. Just attack. Just attack OK, you don’t need to reason. The country got militarized after being branded as the axis of evil. Khatami’s efforts to reduce the tension were mocked and someone was elected that his rhetorics better matched the rhetorics of your president.
Now my friend, you are pushing your country in the same direction as before. The way to stop that bloodshed you are talking about in Iraq, the way to really care about your soldiers’ blood in Iraq is to get out of Iraq. Iraq has been a leader in Arab world, I have had a war with them, and I know they are very smart people, and at the same time patriotic. You are occupying their land. And those IEDs are placed not by Iranian soldiers, but by IRAQI patriotic men and women. You have to realize that fact my friend. You are patriotic I assume, so you should feel how an Iraqi youth feels when an American hummer patrols in his neighborhood.
Come to reality. Attacks and strikes do nothing but adding to the problems.
we all know the american government is targeting iran for other reasons. Lots of countries have similar problems, but why is it that they target the two countries that have a lot of oil resources?
Invading somebody else’s country for empty reasons and destroying and killing countless lives is just unacceptable.
The US should be held accountable for what they did. I STILL can’t believe some american citzens actually believe bush invaded bc of ‘wod’ and to stop terrorism. Yah right.
IMO, some americans are too patriotic and gullible for their own good.
“The way to stop that bloodshed you are talking about in Iraq, the way to really care about your soldiers’ blood in Iraq is to get out of Iraq.”
Actually, my Iranian “friend,” the legitimate, democratically elected government of Iraq has asked my soldiers to remain in that country in order to protect it against interference from the peace-loving citizens of Iran and the Sunni Arab Gulf states.
The story in Iraq is very simple: Our troops remain there in order to protect the only Arab democracy from terrorists who are trying to destroy it.
I don’t expect you to understand, because you are too primitive. All you can see is “foreigners,” “infidels,” and “occupiers.” Your mind can’t grasp the modern concepts of self-determination, post-tribalism, and freedom.
It doesn’t matter, because the U.S. and Iraq are defeating your terrorists. In the end, the great Persian warriors are no match for American technology and Iraqi bravery.
Free people will always defeat the forces of oppression.
To Tom:
RE.KARISSA:THE REASON THAT THE USA ONLY TARGETS ” THE TWO COUNTRIES WITH A LOT OIL RESERVES “, IS THAT THOSE ARE THE SAME COUNTRIES THAT USE THEIR PETRO-DOLLARS FOR INTRENATIONAL TERRORISM.THE OTHER
” COUNTRIES THAT HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM ” DO NOT HAVE THE FINANCES TO SUPPORT TERRORISM ON SUCH A LARGE SCALE. ( ALTHOUGH VENEZELLA IS IS CLOSE, AND WILL UNDOUBTEDLY BE THE NEXT ON OUR LIST.
So Osama Bin Laden, that Saudi guy with running business in Saudi Arabia, got his money from Iran and Iraq. Is that what you are saying?
Come on, you know better than that.
How many times do stories like yours have to be debunked?
Petraeus ‘not aware’ of al Qaeda-Iran link.
IRAQ: The elusive Iranian weapons
NYT Falls for Bogus Iran Weapons Charges
Completely Implausible Numbers are Thrown Around
Repeat of Judy Miller Scandal
Phew. What’s that terrible smell?
Hmmmmm… I started here at the top, counting the errors in logic, inconsistencies, irrelevant and immaterial statements. I had to give up before I got halfway – so many they would make my own websites’ “blog” far too long. I suggest everyone go to the one of the Internet’s logic pages, in order to re-consider. Then, too, why is it that people who know so little about a subject feel free to pontificate concering it? I’m reminded of Kevin James, the nitwit who got egg on his face recently on the “Hardball” progam when he was shown to know so little about what he was railing about. No wonder a program called “smarter than your fifth-grader” has located so many people like the woman who thought Europe was a country and that they speak French in Budapest. Come on, folks – political viewpoint is not how you decide things like what to do in Iraq (now that the kind of thinking in evidence here has gotten us into that particular mess).
erm america america who appointed it as the world police hmmm?and why are you protecting the so-called jews country you no what america can do is stay in on saturdays because you no what it is a dangerous world out their.NOONE CARES FOR YOU YOU ARE FORCING YOU NONSENSE DOWN OUR THROUGHS ENGLISH ETC..
Thanks for the lecture.
“erm america america who appointed it as the world police hmmm?and why are you protecting the so-called jews country you no what america can do is stay in on saturdays because you no what it is a dangerous world out their.NOONE CARES FOR YOU YOU ARE FORCING YOU NONSENSE DOWN OUR THROUGHS ENGLISH ETC..”
Please provide a translation for those of us who don’t speak gibberish.
Wake up my friends, Tom, and his alikes.
Saudi Arabia has been giving money to Taliban in 1990-1998. US has been supporting Al-Qaede in 1980-1990 in the Saudi backed war of Afghanestan and Soviets. Saudis’ still donate to Pakistani Madrassahs. But US has no problem with that. Bin Laden has running business in Saudi Arabia that is so big the government of Saudi Arabia cannot do anything about it. And US has no problem with that.
Take care of yourselves. Iran is target because Israel wants so. And Saudi Arabia is not a target because Israel dosn’t want so. Wake up. Who are paying your taxes to?
“Iran is target because Israel wants so.”
Iran is a target because Iranian terrorists and Iranian-backed terrorists are causing trouble all over the middle east in an effort to create a Persian empire, just like thousands of years ago.
Unfortunately for Iran the U.S., Israel, and the Sunni Arab Gulf states aren’t going to let this go on forever.
The Iranian population has decided that they will accept the oppression of the mullahs in exchange for the mullahs’ nuclear-weapons program. You think that having nuclear weapons will make you big and important.
Iranians are obsessed with two things: Prestige and Jews.
These obsessions will lead you to disaster. If the U.S. and Israel decide to attack Iran, it won’t be a small Bill Clinton style strike. It will be a massive aerial and naval bombardment that will destroy your offensive military capabilities and cripple your economy so that Iraq, Lebanon, and Israel can live in peace.
President Bush said in Israel that Iran requires a radical solution that will benefit the entire middle east.
What do you think that means?
I wouldn’t want to be in your shoes. I truly am sorry that we’re going to destroy much of your country, but your leaders have created this situation. Your leaders have been attacking us for thirty years, and soon we will fight back.
And nobody will help you. Not China, Russia, Germany, France, or the UN. Iran is all alone, and it’s the fault of your leaders.
Overthrow your leaders before it’s too late.
Tom, you remind me of our revolutionary guards. They say in the name of Allah, you say in the name of freedom and both kill innocent people. Ahmadinejad is good fit for you to talk to. You too will understand your logic. I can’t.
Dare and attack Iran. Remember those 15 British soldiers. Remember Israel’s attack to Lebonan. Your country is crippled with mortgage crisis and oil price and corruption and health and huge deficit. And don’t think the remaining part of Middle East is of no worth that China, Russia, India, let you do whatever you want. Thanks to your invasion of Iraq, you are in no position of attacking anywhere.
phew, there is a bad smell Tom.
“Tom, you remind me of our revolutionary guards. They say in the name of Allah, you say in the name of freedom and both kill innocent people.”
You’re the one who said that Iraqi “patriots” are planting roadside bombs in Iraq–killing thousands of Iraqi soldiers, police officers, and innocent civilians. That’s your logic. You support them, so don’t lecture me about your morality. You have none.
I take no pleasure in the fact that the U.S. must attack Iran. However, it must be done in order to protect the Iraqis, the Lebanese, the Israelis, and the Coalition troops in Iraq, who are there at the request of the legitimate Iraqi government.
You can bluster about Iran’s military strength, but in 1988 we destroyed about half your navy in one afternoon. Iran also wasn’t able to defeat Iraq, which had the worst military in the middle east.
Recently Israel proved that the Russian air-defense systems of Syria and Iran are worthless. You have no protection against our aircraft. In 2006, Hezbollah fired about 700 Russian Kornet antitank missiles, and they destroyed a total of two Israeli tanks. Also, most of your ground forces use ancient equipment that you haven’t upgraded in thirty years.
You have no idea about the full power of the armed forces of Israel and the U.S., because we haven’t unleashed it on you.
Again, I’m sorry we must do this to you, but your leaders refuse to stop. So we must stop them.
Rise up and overthrow the mullahs. It’s your only chance to save your country. Be brave, like the Romanians and the Peruvians. Put down your cell phones and your drugs, and be real men.
Fight for your freedom, the way the Iraqis are. Join the civilized world.
It’s nice out here, among the human beings.
Who will rid us of our foul leaders Ahmadinejad and the crazed mullahs? They do nothing but send terror through the middle east and other muslim lands. Shame on Iran, on us, for not erasing this blot upon our honor. All of Iran will have to pay for the failure to deal with a few bad and perverted men who grabbed power.
“Who will rid us of our foul leaders Ahmadinejad and the crazed mullahs?”
You.
http://www.phoenixcommand.com/hell4.htm
“It was, however, the [Romanian] Securitate’s repression which triggered the revolution. On December 15, 1989, Protestant pastor Laszlo Tokes who had criticized the Ceausescu regime for mistreatment of his fellow ethnic Hungarians was ordered deported. The following day, a crowd gathered near Tokes’ home in Timisoara to prevent the implementation of the deportation order. The Securitate Special Assignment Brigade allowed the protests to continue for a day before moving in with tanks and helicopter gunships and opening fire on the crowds. Several hundred casualties were reported in this first clash. Within days, demonstrations had spread to other towns and cities.”
You must be willing to make the same sacrifice that the Romanian people made.
It will be hard and bloody, but you can do it.
Rise up. Overthrow the mullahs before it’s too late. Reclaim your dignity and self-determination.
Iran has had by far too many blood for obtaining its democracy. If only US has not overthrown our first democracy in 1953. Enough of garbage Tom.
“Enough of garbage Tom.”
I agree. Withdraw the Qods Force from Iraq; stop killing Coalition troops; stop killing moderate Iraqi politicians and clerics; stop funding, training, and arming Shi’ite terrorists in Iraq; stop funding the terrorist organization Hezbollah; stop threatening Israel; stop funding and arming the Taliban; and stop developing nuclear weapons.
And stop blaming your current problems on the U.S. It’s the year 2008. You need to live in the present, not the past. Stop the mullahs from leading your country into disaster.
Your women are fleeing Iran and becoming prostitutes all over the middle east. Your birth rate is dropping. You have a terrible drug problem. Your economy is shrinking. Gay people are hanged. Young girls are hanged in public, like in the medieval period. You have no freedom to dress the way you want or read the books you want or watch the movies you want.
Is this any way to live? No!
Come join us in the civilized world. Overthrow the mullahs. We’ll help you.
Most Iraqis refused to fight for Saddam in 2003. Only a few Ba’athists and Sunni fanatics fought. The Iraqis knew we weren’t there to conquer them, so they refused to fight and die for Saddam. And today, the Sunnis are on our side, because they know we aren’t occupiers.
If we have to attack Iran, it will be to destroy the mullahs and the Revolutionary Guards. We recently put special racks on the B-2 bomber, so that each airplane holds 80 500-pound JDAM bombs. Thaat means only one of our bombers can destroy an entire city. You have absolutely no way to defend against this technology.
We have B-1 bombers, submarines full of cruise missiles, aircraft-carrier battle groups that can destroy an entire country. We have special operations forces who are already going into Iran to get information on targets.
Our regular troops have been fighting terrorists since 2001. We are now the best, most experienced soldiers in the world. When was the last time the Iranian army fought? It was twenty years ago!
The Israelis, Sunni Arab Gulf States, and the American military also have very sophisticated anti-missile technology. Hezbollah’s rockets were no deterrent at all to Israel, but if Iran decides to fire off thousands of Shahab missiles, Israel will respond with nuclear weapons. Israel is preparing for this possibility. Are you preparing to be nuked?
Your leaders are crazy. You must stop them while you still have the chance.
Israel will not be destroyed. It will destroy Iran first.
You can prevent this tragedy by overthrowing your leaders.
Show some courage!
Tom, you again change your claims. You said Iranian people had not given blood. I told you we’ve had and your country is also a complicit that our bloods had been wasted partly till now. You have two apologies to make. For intervening in Iran’s politics again and again even today, and for insulting Iranian people as people who don’t have courage.
Your bullies about military power are being respond by Ahmadinejad. For that sort of thing talk to him. I elected him when your president branded me as the Axis of Evil. I will change him if you change the direction of your country. Period.
Iran is part of an Axis of Evil. Your country is the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism.
Once again you blame the U.S. for your own failed nation. All of Iran’s problems are the result of the terrible, incompetent leadership of the mullahs.
You say you support Ahmadinejad and his policies, as a response to the actions of the U.S.
Well, then you will suffer the consequences.
I’m sorry.
For “anony”:
“Iranians Would Welcome Airstrikes, Sources Say.”
http://tinyurl.com/5kjf2r
“As Barack Obama and John McCain thrash it out over how they would deal with Iran, voices from inside Iran are weighing in with an unusual message: If the United States strikes hard and fast, we will support you.
“Emissaries from inside Iran have been meeting with Iranian exiles in Europe, the United States, and elsewhere in recent weeks to deliver this provocative message, which they claim comes from pro-U.S. dissidents at the upper-most levels of the regime.
“‘U.S. airstrikes must be powerful and sustained enough to break the myth of the regime’s absolute power and reveal the weakness of the leadership,’ a former official who traveled outside of Iran recently said.
Live in your delusions. newsmax is a fallacy source. Everyone knows that. Get to Tehran to see who welcomes strikes and what will happen.
Your language is bullies. Persians say there will be no rain in response to tears of black cat (considered for bringing bad luck).
You are people like you, and a certain Iranian opposition close to Iran’s previous Shah and MEK, are so hated in Iran.
A war monger like you doesn’t need reasons to invade another country. Where is UN? Where were they when your country invaded Iraq? You don’t need to reason to advocate war. Or at least learn to reason.
“You don’t need to reason to advocate war.”
The only reason I advocate war with Iran is because Iran has been fighting my country for thirty years. Iran is killing American troops in Iraq and threatening our ally, Israel.
Now, the U.S. may finally fight back.
It’s a tragedy, but the only thing the mullahs understand and respect is violence. So be it.
Unfortunately for them, the U.S. is capable of an almost unimaginable level of violence.
We will target only the mullahs and the Revolutionary Guards. After we destroy them, the rest of Iran can live in freedom.
Someday you will thank the U.S.
I wish guided missiles could distinguish between a revolutionary guard and a child. Iraq proved that it cannot. At some point I thought to myself boy US had made a good move, they removed Taliban which I really hated and now they are removing Saddam. How good Afghanis’ are going to rebuild their country.
I have been proven to be wrong about Iraq and Afghanistan was a ruined country to begin with. Iran’s case would be a catasrophe if a fool attacks it. No reason can justify such a mistake.
Iran’s solution is from inside. There is an opening in Iranian democracy. It needs a tension reduction policy from US and others which will remove the stick Ahmadinejad and Khamenei are leaning to. If there is no serious threat from outside and the economy gets a bit better that populists like Ahmadinejad can’t utilize false populistic economic slogans and people begin to get relieved from their daily bread problem and think about higher issues like freedom, the bottom up pressure will move the country towards the goal of a democratic state which is a friend of the world. Much like soviet union.
“Iran’s solution is from inside.”
So, the rest of the world must continue to suffer Iranian terrorism, while you people reform yourselves slowly, over a period of decades?
Sorry. That’s not acceptable.
The only reason Iran faces a threat from the outside is because of Iran’s behavior. If Iran wasn’t a state sponsor of terrorism, nobody would bother you.
There’s a very simple solution: Either you stop the terrorism and give up your nuclear-weapons program, or face the consequences.
The patience of the U.S. and Israel is running out. We will not let you continue killing our people, while you slowly, slowly, slowly change and gradually become democratic.
Overthrow the mullahs and change your country before it’s too late for you.
You are an impatient war monger.
War makes your goal more distant.
FOX NEWS: “Iranians are better sell their kidneys because sooner or later we will kill them all”.
http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=s28tio&s=3
FOX NEWS: “Iranians are better sell their kidneys because sooner or later we will kill them all.”
All your base are belong to us.
This is a very difficult situation. In such cases, the solution is usually never simple. There are multiple complicating factors that we have to deal with. We could simply attack. The potential complications associated with such an action are many fold and could serve to seriously limit our options later. Political fallout here at home from liberal society and from the international community could isolate us and weaken our ability to act in the future. It is doubtless that Iran and our other enemies would use the situation as a public relations boon and to strengthen their positions worldwide in the public eye. Allowing these people to appear as victims is something that could prove disastrous diplomatically and force the US to back down.
The chances are also high that Iran would use such a strike as a pretext to start a much larger regional conflict that could quickly escalate beyond our ability to control. Militarily at the moment, Iran poses a very small threat. In the future, their strategic threat will likely grow immensely as they acquire longer-range ballistic missiles, which could threaten Israel, and Europe. At this point in time, the Iranian military has very limited capabilities and cannot successfully defend against a US military assault. Iran’s air defense assets though many are antiquated and based upon inferior Russian technology.
Iranian infrastructure is extremely vulnerable to US airpower. Within the time of a short-duration conflict, US land and naval air assets in the region could cause catastrophic damage to Iran’s infrastructure. In the first hours of such a conflict, Iran’s power production and communication infrastructure would be destroyed, followed by their military and governmental command and control structure preventing them from coordinating a defensive response thus isolating and cutting off their military from their leadership. Simultaneously, in coordination with these strikes, Iran’s air defense network, including their air force would be neutralized. At this point in the conflict, US airpower would begin targeting the Iranian military and military industrial complex, which would be the primary objective of such a US assault. All this, including the initial “decapitation” strike could be accomplished in as little as 48 hours.
The only cause for concern in such a conflict would come from small Iranian military formations such as those of the Revolutionary Guard. Small concealed craft could deploy anti-shipping mines into the straits off the Iranian coast through which passes the largest portion of the worlds oil supply. This would have the potential of creating a world economic disaster. US forces both in Iraq and in Afghanistan would be extremely vulnerable to small unit attacks from across the Iranian border. While large formation of Iranian ground forces would be easily destroyed, small units of elite troops would almost certainly penetrate into Iraq and Afghanistan and cause significant damage and disruptions. The key in such a conflict would be to quickly gain the diplomatic submission of Iran’s government and force them to accept their losses and conclude the conflict before any further damage in inflicted to their infrastructure and industrial base.
Before initiating such a conflict, the US would need to be fully prepared diplomatically, and domestically to justify its actions in order to avoid excessive complications. The strike would have to be lightening quick and completely decisive, delivering the knockout blow that would force Iran into a quick diplomatic resolution. A mistake or mishap involving heavy Iranian civilian casualties, large US military losses or the mining of the Straits of Hormuz could have serious domestic or international repercussions.
This is an extremely simple breakdown of such a conflict and the potential risk factors involved. Our leaders and policy makers have to consider a huge number of things before they take action. Even a small mistake in such an undertaking could have dire and worldwide consequences. Do we need to take action against Iran? Certainly. The real question, is how do we do it. Generally such actions are taken only when other options have exhausted themselves or when the danger posed by not acting become to great to accept. Right now Americans are being killed in Iraq by Iranian weapons under the full knowledge of the Iranian government. At this point in time those loses are deemed acceptable in light of other options. It sucks, but what we might gain versus what we might lose keeps us from taking action. At the moment, the greater good is served by not acting, but THAT could change at any moment, and we might find ourselves at war with Iran at any time.
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Where did my comment go?
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07/07/080707fa_fact_hersh
Trying again because I just spent quite some time writing a comment and it didn’t show up!
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/proof-israeli-effort-to-destabilize-iran-via-twitter/
Well is Tom G. gone? Wow what an arrogant ignorant person he is. I am an American and I am more in tune with anony than Tom. He is a disgrace to this American. Please know that all Americans do not think like Tom (thank God…seriously!@)
America needs a new foreign policy starting with doing away with all aid to the racist apartheid state of Israel. Israel is not our friend! They are bloodsuckers. They use America and Americans esp. ill informed Christian and Jewish Zionists to further their evil agenda.
http://whtt.org/
Check out war is a racket:
http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm
Lastly I am disgusted at the US policy of money being spent on destabilizing Iran including the recent election debacle. Israel is in on the destabilizing game as well. Some Americans like Tom might buy into the propaganda bs but alot of concerned citizens are waking up to these evil plots all around us.
“Right-wing Israeli interests are engaged in an all out Twitter attack with hopes of delegitimizing the Iranian election and causing political instability within Iran.”
“These operations, for which the President sought up to four hundred million dollars, were described in a Presidential Finding signed by Bush, and are designed to destabilize the country’s religious leadership. The covert activities involve support of the minority Ahwazi Arab and Baluchi groups and other dissident organizations. They also include gathering intelligence about Iran’s suspected nuclear-weapons program.”