How Do You Solve a Problem Like Hillary?
But does Obama want a potential rival helping guide his legislation through the Senate? If Obama has a first term as disastrous as some people fear, there’s another way Clinton could prove to be the next Ted Kennedy — by making a primary run against a sitting Democratic president, just like Teddy did to Jimmy Carter in 1980. It’s daring enough when a rival senator makes a run at a sitting president. It’s quite a bit more daring when a loyal, or at least seemingly loyal, cabinet member tries to do so.
The other good news for Obama is that, almost at will, he can send Clinton not just out of town, but out of the entire country. You can’t do that with an annoying sitting senator. The bad news is, Bill might go with her, hat in hand for the Clinton Global Initiative. Or is that such bad news? When you have a rival in your own party, nagging questions of impropriety could rob her of the outsize influence a secretary of state usually enjoys.
And purely as a consumer of news, I’m gladdened by the idea of Bill and Hill back in Washington together. Sure, there’s the ever-present threat/treat of new bimbo eruptions — although I rather doubt it. But the gossip should be juicy nonetheless. Just today we’ve got MSNBC’s Chris “Tingle Me Leg” Matthews caught dishing on Clinton. Reportedly, he bellowed:
Why would he pick her? I thought we were done with the Clintons. She’ll just use it to build her power base. It’s Machiavellian. And then we’ll have Bill Clinton, too. I thought Obama didn’t want drama. He’s already got [chief of staff Rahm] Emanuel and [transition team leader John] Podesta. He’ll have even more drama with her.
And as a paid commenter on the news, I’m way past gladdened and well into excitement over the prospect of virtually guaranteed employment for the next four years.
It also seems certain that Obama has at least considered that SecStates tend to get “captured” by the bureaucracy at Foggy Bottom. A Colin Powell, a Condoleeza Rice, or even a George Schultz walks in to State … and out walks a Warren Christopher, almost every time. State has a way of taking gray old men (or women), and turning them into even grayer, older men (or women). They each take the job hoping the make the world a better, safer place, and they all leave the job seemingly glad to still have whatever is left of their hides and their pride.
Which brings us to Quickie Trivia Time: Name the last former secretary of state to go on to even greater things. No Googling, please.
Bzzzt, time is up, thanks for playing. No Turtle Wax or Rice-A-Roni for you.
And other than an effective secretary of state, that’s got to be what Obama is hoping for.
Something doesn’t sound right. Is Barack Obama perhaps blackmailing Hillary Clinton into accepting the job of secretary of state? The odds are about 50/50 Obama hinted that Bill was going to be indicted unless she allowed herself to be immediately marginalized. Do I sound a bit paranoid? I don’t think so.
Brilliant move by BHO if it works. The HillBillies are counting on an Obama fumble in the 2nd quarter but as Secretary of State. she will be unable to recover the ball and run with it to score and win the final half (of the 8 years he wants to rule). BHO’s people are nothing if not strategic and expedient. They shut Hill down once and this job could shut her down for good. Team Obama 8, Team Hillbillie 0!
I’ve got absolutely no evidence for this, but I keep wondering if the consideration of Hillary for SecState is primarily to appease her followers for NOT considering her for VP. Under this theory, she would need to be seen as taking herself out of the running — if he just passes her over, it just aggravates the situation.
Based on what I have seen of Obama to date, I suspect that women in positions of leadership and authority are going to be in short supply in his administration.
If he appoints Hillary, he can point to her as his “shining example”. Now the rest of us will point out that she is just another female Secretary of State – third in 4 SofS. The media – who have consistently missed the obvious – will help him spin it as some great stride forward for women everywhere. The leaders of the traditional feminist movement, who are still on their knees from the first two Clinton administration (Obama’s administration shaping up as the third), won’t have anything but praise for him regardless of what he does or does not do.
If Hillary accepts she will be ending her political career. She will have to sink or swim with BHO, unless she can engineer an incident that will allow her to quit in a highly righteous manner (tough to arrange) and take a “I’m a democrat, but not THIS kind of democrat” stand. If BHO can pull this off it is brilliant, it neutralises his biggest threat on the left side of the spectrum and forces Hillary to play by his rules or be cast as a disloyal subordinate.
This should be like gas fumes in a room full of sparks. Heck we are stuck with BHO and the Clinton Cronies, we might as well get some entertainment value out of it, plus maybe they will be too busy slitting each others throats to “accomplish” anything.
Will Huckabee become Obama’s food taster ?
As SecState can Hillary run for POTUS in 2012 ?
B.O could be following LBJ’s dictum about political enemies. He’d rather have them inside the tent pi**ing out than outside the tent pi**ing in.
The unanswered question is why Hillary would choose to give up her Senate seat for SecState.
Hillary will never take the job.
She could never serve under the thumb of Bambi.
She is a liberated pantsuit woman.
‘President Elect’ Obama!
Please make Bill Clinton Ambassador to Somalia.
He is the only white man that could save us from the open sea Somalian pirates.
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@fear Obama, Heck Yes! Old Bill could show them a for more profitable line of work by setting up a Fannie May style Somali Loan Agency and then bundling mortgage backed securities (maybe we could send Barney Frank as an advisor).
To quote “Yes, Minister”: “Elevation, Approbation & Castration.”
I do wonder what Obama is thinking. I don’t think he actually believes she would be a good SofS. Either he is hoping she will turn it down, or he intends to be his own SofS.
The hate and misogyny is still alive and well. Hillary hating is so strong that reason goes out the window.
12.click212:
The hate and misogyny is still alive and well. Hillary hating is so strong that reason goes out the window.
Nov 19, 2008 – 7:17 am
You misunderstand!
I don’t hate Hillary.
If I had to choose between her and Bambi,
Guess who I would have chosen?
I think it is time that matthews and olberman are thrown out of MSNBC. They are old news. Maybe matthews blue pills don’t work any more. And while at it wonder where Adrianna over at HUFFPUFF gets all that venom from about the Clintons. Is it because Bill didn’t invite her on one of his little tyrsts and she decided to take it out on Hillary.
The evolving state of the Obamanation appears to be the Clinton Adminstration part two, complete with all the scandalous players from the 90′s. Please. America deserves better than this, and it is certainly not what the people who voted for Obama were lead to beleive…..How is this change? Is it Obama’s hope that no one will notice he has no agenda, no leadership skills or no idea of what he is doing? He is planning the party of the century that will probably bankrupt DC — very appropriate in these times, don’t you think? If he was truly a leader for today and tomorrow, he would demonstrate his concern for our economy by electing to hold a private swearing in ceremony with close friends and family, sending a strong message to all of us who have lost our jobs, homes and life savings, that he is about change. But, too much to hope for, this hubris empty suit continues to fumble his way to the White House and spend money like there is no tomorrow. God help us all.
THE “GLOBAL WARMING” SCAM
Humans will never control climate on planet earth. Why Obama and others promise they will is examined at this link:
http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2008/11/chasing-ghost-of-climate-change.html
The notion that Hillary would inherit Ted kennedy’s status in the Senate is just laughable. Kennedy has decades. Hillary a few years; kennedy is beloved in his party, Hillary loathed. Whatever Obama’s reasons for wanting this power-mad harpy in his Cabinet, fear of her in the Senate is not one of them.
The Wizard writes:
“The evolving state of the Obamanation appears to be the Clinton Adminstration part two, complete with all the scandalous players from the 90’s.”
Wiz, one wonders how this is going to play with all of BO’s far-left backers, the folks who cracked their wallets and busted their asses getting him elected?
Bet it doesn’t go down easy — especially when one considers the hatchet job BO’s lapdog MSM cronies did on the former darlings of the Democrat party. Oh well, those clowns all asked for it.
Hope and change, my ass!
I agree with Stephen Green that the next four years will be entertaining , if nothing else, as the Obamanovice fills his cabinet and staff with Clinton retreads, cronies from the Chicago political machine and other assorted leftist dimwits. Hollywood could never have created a parody to match this projected re-run of the Carter years. So, fill the popcorn bowl and kick back the recliner, as we will indeed have a doozer on our hands.
#20 Saltherring…Might I add that one should hide their cash and guns before kicking back in the proverbial recliner? Pass the popcorn….
With the possibility of Ms. Clinton roaming the WH halls again do you thnk she’ll cough up Vince Foster’s ‘missing’ bullet?
Bill must be wetting his pants with excitement! Remember when Vince Foster carried Iraqi oil voucher money to Bill’s secret Swiss accounts? Vince had second thoughts and died. Imagine Hillie waltzing around the world with diplomatic immunity and the power of the US Department of State. She can move stolen money out of the country and illegal foreign contributions in without a care. No more shopping bags of Chinese money, it’ll come in in diplomatic pouches. Sweet!
I always thought she would make a good secretary.
Frankly, I can’t help wondering if BHO’s notoriously invasive and detailed paperwork requirements for those he’s considering for Cabinet positions wasn’t specifically designed to bar him from naming Hillary.
Think about it. The final question in the 7-page questionnaire specifically asks about conflicts of interest or possible sources of embarrassment for BHO’s administration — including by the applicant’s spouse.
And, as we’ve seen in the news cycles recently, Bill’s interests most definitely conflict with his wife acting as SecState.
Which means BHO can look magnanimous for having considered her, while protecting himself by citing her answers as justification for not naming her to the position.
First get rid of the fake. Next watch his face when he faces the Supreme Court about his fake birth certificate on Dec. 1st. Then finally, watch all the uninformed kids that voted for him say, “I can’t afford the heavy
taxes you put on me. You idiot, you promised 5,000,000 new jobs, where are they?
Obama proving he was just another inside the Beltway pol. Bill’s been miserable not being part of the White House circle for eight years, and he’s strong-armed his way back in.
Demonstrates also the trite argument about “experience.” If you know how to speak English and you don’t wet yourself when you talk into the microphone, you’ve got enough experience to be anything — Cabinet post, Senator, President. Obama with a couple years senatorial experience, Hillary being the Pres’ spouse, Bill running Arkansas and improving its education from 49th in the nation to 48th…. Great experience, eh? Anyone reading this column could do as well a job as these mealy-mouth say-nothing career politicians, if given the chance. And that’s the point. There are bright people out there, Barack! Why are you going back to the polluted well?
Can’t blame any of them for chasing his coat-tails. Like everyone else, they’re each in it for themselves. But I thought Obama would have had the balls to say, “It’s my ship now, and I don’t need another back-room dealing political prostitute to mar my message of change.” But again, I forget he’s one as well.
A pity; the cyclical economy would have buoyed him into eight years as commander in chief and he could have done it without all the aging D.C. hacks.
Now brace yourself for the apologists who wouldn’t know real change if it bit them in the ass.
Hillary in the Senate – dangerous. Hillary as Sec State forced to resign in discrace for her and/or Bill’s financial trickery renders her powerless.
Obama is surrounding himself with Clinton people. Why, because Bill Clinton is the only president in our history to ever do the job right. So, should I say it out loud we should have voted for Hillary. I did, I just wish the rest of America was as observant during the election. Bill Clinton is responsible for many changes for the good in Washington. Obama is being smart by walking in his coat-tails. His choices for Clinton people have made me more comfortable with our economic crisis and if he continues to follow the Clinton path America will be able to financially recover.
Reading many of these comments makes me sick. Obama, who was elected by THE PEOPLE by a decisive margin, hasn’t even started yet and already he’s being pronounced a failure.
People voted for Obama because they’re sick of the Republican way of the last eight years, which has been and still seems to be to criticize, attack, complain, destroy character and tell lies.
No one is going to like everything Obama does – and that includes me. But we could at least wait to weigh in until he gets in and we see what he does.
When, oh, when will we ever be rid of, “The Clintons”? Hasn’t the Country had enough already? They’re kinda like a bad penny or unwelcomed relatives whom never seem to go away & God knows, we’ve had far & more enough of the both of them.
change and then bring on the Clintons a 2 for one deal please spare us.Bill Clinton with the help of a little viagra will bring the obama presidency into a sinkhole of scandal and filth do we really need this again after the Clinton ad nauseum of Paula jones, anita broderick, jennifer flowers, kathleen wylie and monica lewnsky need I say more.
Is this the change people wanted and supported? A bunch of Washington insiders from the ranks of King Bill and Queen Hillary are now thrust back on America. For those who worship them, all is well, for the rest of us all I can say is god help us all. My prediction is the Obama crew will make a flurry of changes back to the days of Clinton then bog down in what he will describe as 8 years of failed government and his lack of progress will be because of his predecessor, oh and the Republicans on capital hill. Even know the Democrats still control both houses. Hold on this ride is going to be interesting.
Gee I wonder…Probably if you gave her an important position…you could have another out-of-control puppet who will continue in destroying our Constitution.
Maybe it’s just my imagination, but it seems like the Clintons are going to hope they will be at the cemter of Obama’s cabinet. They just don’t go away. Ever since she lost this nomination.
He still comes on the scene acting arrogant and like he’s God’s gift to everyone.
Now, if this was a republican, that was being vetted for S.of State, and they were married to someone who’s accepted donations from who Clinton has, they’d be all over this story, like a cat on a mouse.
Look how the dems vetted Gov. Palin, and McCain. Sending all those reporters up to Alaska, to dig up whatever dirt they could (make up) on Palin.
Too bad they didn’t vet their own candidate in the same, scrutenous, way~~they might have actually put out some honest info about him, to the constituents.
He’ll end up with 95% of his cabinet, being from the Clinton yrs, and don’t tell me that’s change. Don’t tell me, the Clintons aren’t expecting to be key in what happens, in this White House. They are.
Yes, we’ve heard, forver the Clinton yrs were good.
Let’s get a list together of what he did.
1)welfare reform (vetoed it twice, and then signed it under pressure). This was legislature designed by the GOP, who never got credit for any of it.
2) went into about 5 or 6 places, like Bosnia, w/troops, and never finished anything. Never got the ok to take troops in, as nothing was declared. Never pulled the troops back out. Some of the areas he went into, there are troops still there.
3)missed a chance of getting Bin Laden, THREE times.
4)12+ American embassies were bombed by terrorists~~he did not go after Bin Laden.
5) The first WTC bombing~~he didn’t go after Bin Laden then, either.
6) The boming of the Cole~~nope, didn’t go after Bin Laden again.
Yes, the economy, thanks to Reagan, was great.
Yes, the budget got balanced 3 yrs in a row~~first time in congressional U.S.history. (The GOP was in charge).
Yes, we had a surplus (projected), and it came from Clinton raising our taxes twice, and S.S. once.
Yeap, we are in for a ride. Obama, just another Clinton administration.
Let’s hope he doesn’t have a thing for the women, like Bill did.
WITH HILLARY RODHAM IN THE CABINET SHE
WILL ON STAGE 24/7. THAT MEANS THAT SHE CAN NOT MOVE WITHOUT THE WORLD KNOWING. HER EVERY WORD WILL BE RECORDED IN LIGHT OF WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL POLICY.
All this posturing and fist pounding about Change…and then he ends up hiring the same cronies that rode shotgun for Bill and hillary and their “model of corruption” administration. Throw in a couple of new crooks from Chicago, and that’s all the “change” “Madison Ave Obama” could muster??.
And just to keep things interesting, we will at some point discover the obvious, that Obama’s birth certificate is missing a few vital items..like “Born in the USA”.
He is a manufactured empty suit that fooled a majority of the nation, and the Carter administration will seem like a well orchestrated ballet compared to the Obama disaster on the horizon.
Change? Change?! April K, your lack of political insight is dismaying. The changes in Washington that Clinton undertook?! You haven’t a clue what is at the root of the current financial epidemic. You remind me of those that long for the Reagan years as well. Credit spending and (in spite of his small-government rhetoric) higher government spending! Cyclical economic upturns/downturns have afflicted every president; it’s all about timing….
Bill’s first two years were a disaster. Then the Dems lost the Congress. (They blamed him, by the way). Kerri Tang is correct that Bill was dragged kicking and screaming, and forced to sign the Repubs’ budget. Either by that action, or by luck, the economy trended upward again.
Bush II came to town and he spent like a drunken sailor (as did all the rest before him) — and not just on the war. After the economic slowdown in his first year or so, the middle years of Bush II saw even better economic metrics than most of the 90′s. All along, however, he was botching the ill-begotten war (the one the Dems signed up for too), and the Repubs went along for the ride, also spending like the corrupt drunken sailors that they and the entire Congress are…
The current model of “fiat money” and the broken economies of the globe made for the perfect storm. So here we are. But things will improve; it’s just that the next upturn will somewhat longer. But it will come. And government will get bigger and more intrusive, as it always has, and you can go on arguing for or against your leader, depending if he has an R or a D in front of his/her name.
There’s never a discussion of the core issue — what is the nature and role of government in a free society?
Although I believe leftist economic intrusion is not in the long term interest of humanity, Obama nevertheless had the chance to try “his way” (or whatever he said was “his way”). He won. He could shake the career politicians who never held a real job in their lives, and embrace a new model. Demonstrate that he was about “change.”
But alas, the “change” that folks wanted isn’t “change” at all. It’s a return to corporatism of the 80′s when the cardboard economy was on the upturn, similar to the corporatism of the 90′s when the cardboard economy was on the upturn, similar to the corporatism of the mid-00′s when the cardboard economy was on the upturn:
“The ex-Pres’ wife is Secretary of State? What of it? So long as I gotta job, I don’t care if a turnip is flying around the globe and chit-chatting with other world leader bozos.”
That is the extent of decision-making for who votes for whom.
And, Leolars, Obama deserves the criticism, and has indeed disappointed before he even walks to the inauguration podium. He’s already appointing the same old government hacks. So it goes, decade in and decade out. And when the Repubs get back in, maybe in four or eight or twelve years, (earlier if the upturn doesn’t occur soon, later if the upturn occurs shortly) then they’ll haul in their old hacks as well.
Change, my ass.
Poor O! Has anyone noticed how he’s been surrouned by strong women all his life? White mother, white grandmother, powerful wife and OMG, his mother in law is moving in to the WH too!Is that allowed? Hillary as Sec of St., Poor guy , Talk about being hen pecked.
Oh, I forgot two daughters too. I wonder if the puppy will be female?
Everybody was afraid of a third Bush term or a second Carter term. What we will get is a third and maybe fourth Clinton term (and George Soros) with the people sitting in different chairs.
Hope and change, I hope when Obama leaves office I have more than the change in my pockets.
Also Obama is surrounding himself with Clinton people because he does not have enough experience to know enough people to have his own people to choose from. Would you want Ayers, Dohrn Wright, Rezco, etc in prominent positions?
*******Google “Senate Resolution 511″ and you will see why Obama is reaching out to Clinton. Read it carefullly who put together the resolution and why.********
fear Obama:
12.click212:
The hate and misogyny is still alive and well. Hillary hating is so strong that reason goes out the window.
“Nov 19, 2008 – 7:17 am
You misunderstand!
I don’t hate Hillary.
If I had to choose between her and Bambi,
Guess who I would have chosen?”
Ron Paul?
“How Do You Solve a Problem Like Hillary?”
Strychnine would be advantageous.
“Name the last former secretary of state to go on to even greater things. No Googling, please.”
John Quincy Adams? (President.)
Somalia has their pirates. We have our pirates their names are Frank, Dodd, Schumer, Reed, Pelosi, Paulson, Wall Street etc etc
..at the rate Obama’s nascent “President-Elect-ency” is going, it is beginning to appear as though it will be DOA on 20 January next..
..or, would that be “still born”? Perhaps it will just be left in a linen closet to breathe its last breaths over the next four years.
Is Madeline Half-bright available? I hear the Koreans want to cut another deal.
thegr8_1:
It’s nice to see that your bitterness in losing the election hasn’t hindered your ability to make bizarrely stupid arguments.
Regards,
Someone(75)
Smart move locking up the feminist vote for 2012
75 is that your IQ?
Re: Food Taster
Besides the fact that I don’t think Obama is interested in hiring any Republican as a food taster, what good would it do? We’ve never had a President poisoned before. All four Presidents who have died by assassination were shot, as was Reagan who survived an assassination attempt.
As for Secretary of State Hillary, Hillary isn’t stupid enough to run for President in 2012. She’d have to out flank a sitting President in the Primaries and defeat a populist Republican in the general election (assuming we aren’t completely stupid again). And not just a populist, but one that is either 1. Familiar with the ins and outs of her political machine and how to beat it, 2. A woman who is much more palatable than her, or 3. A young, minority governor who has turned around an incompetent state. Furthermore, not only are the Republicans likely to nominate either Huckabee, Palin, or Jindal in 2012, but another of them is likely going to be the VP nominee. Finally, if Hillary loses a 2012 Presidential bid, she loses her Senate seat as well.
if Hillary becomes the Sec. State, hopefully she will not be excessively distracted by outside drama or personal career plans, etc.
I’m just not sure this is going to happen. I also am not sure why Obama chose her. She was every kind of rude to him during the campaign. He has a good heart because I wouldn’t have but I guess if he serves her the “humble pie” she deserves all will be well….we hope. Not trusting the Clintons I wouldn’t have thought of that appointment for sure.
Tony Soprano not available for the job? Credibility is key. When Clinton FBI Director Louis J. Freeh wrote, “The problem was with Bill Clinton, the scandals and rumored scandals, the incubating ones and the dying ones never ended. Whatever moral compass the president was consulting [Hillary] was leading him in the wrong direction. His closets were full of skeletons just waiting to burst out,” Mr. Freeh wasn’t joking. I don’t know the exact date the Clintons flushed their respective compasses, but those skeletons are still rattling around. And, just because I didn’t get my usual 8 to 10 harassing phone calls from Hillary for the past 3 days doesn’t mean Hillary has changed her tune. It only means she wants something. Perhaps irony truly is the guiding principle of history: http://theseedsof9-11.com
thegr8_1:
Very original. Nice comeback.
I find that it’s very easy for cretins to spew nonsense, but very difficult for them to engage in discourse. Once again, you show yourself as you truly are.
Regards,
Someone(75)