How Bad Was Bush for the World, Really? (Part 1)
Latin America
Two years ago, Latin America was on the precipice of a neo-Marxist revolution. From Venezuela, to Nicaragua, to Bolivia, to the old guard in Cuba, leftist autocrats like Hugo Chavez postured and thumped their chests with full-blown anti-American communist braggadocio. Today, collapsing oil prices have exposed the likes of Chavez as a two-bit punk desperate for the foreign cash that comes with “evil” Western globalization.
Colombia has gone from an unstable and untrustworthy neutral to arguably our greatest ally outside Israel, Australia, and the United Kingdom. Whereas the Clinton administration provided the framework to a “peace process” that gave narco-terrorist groups like FARC a 16,000-acre safe haven south of the Colombian capital — which allowed FARC to reorganize and rearm — President Bush instead aligned with the Bogotá government fully, effectively destroying the FARC insurgency.
President Uribe was the beneficiary of Bush’s Andean Regional Initiative and Andean Counterdrug Initiative, which were two programs designed not just to prevent the drug trade but to defeat the narco-rebels themselves. As the recipient of U.S. military assistance and training, Colombia happily used this partnership to strive towards the total decimation of FARC and its leadership. This once-unforeseen U.S.-Colombia alliance resulted in one of the most successful hostage rescue attempts in world history: the 2008 Colombian military operation which freed former Colombian presidential candidate Ingrid Betancourt, eleven Colombian innocents, and three American prisoners who had been held by FARC guerrillas for five years.
The operation was a total triumph — Hollywood couldn’t have written a better script — and it could not have been done without U.S. military training and technology. Other Colombian raids and incursions have exposed Venezuela’s ties, as well as those of nearly 30 other countries, to FARC killers.
Before 2001, Colombia was a failed or failing state with a distrusted military. But these successes, coupled with Bush’s $600-million-per-year Colombia economic aid plan, have brought Colombia in from the cold, solidified Colombia as a prospering free market democracy, and rolled back the Venezuelan-Bolivian-Cuban-Nicaraguan socialist axis in Latin America.
Asia
In 2002, al-Qaeda offshoot groups like Abu Sayyaf and Jemaah Islamiyah were terrorizing, kidnapping, and bombing people all across Southeast Asia, specifically the Philippines and Indonesia. Today, those terror networks have suffered from the not-so-tender mercies of a vigilant Bush administration. In others words, President Obama will not have to deal with the likes of Hambali.
During the Clinton administration, India was considered a third-world bonanza, something of a “rogue state lite,” which was to have sanctions placed on it for behavior deemed unacceptable. President Bush, on the other hand, saw India more as a stranded castaway looking for a rescue boat. For Bush, India was a natural ally of the United States: the world’s largest, multiethnic democracy, struggling to find its way into the future. The India of the 2000s — industrializing, liberalizing, and developing rapidly — reminded this administration of Teddy Roosevelt’s America, a powerful nation still searching for itself. That India is home to the world’s largest Muslim minority also convinced Bush that Islam could be compatible with freedom.
Bush signed an important civilian nuclear deal with Mumbai — the U.S.-India Nuclear Cooperation Approval and Nonproliferation Enhancement Act — and while it remains controversial for those who distrust the Indians, the joint agreement effectively cemented an all-time height in American-Indian relations. As he leaves office, Bush is immensely popular in India, and for good reason. India has catapulted from obscurity to international power in a relatively quick period of time.
No more is India merely the “crown jewel” of the old British Empire — it is now the principal South Asian powerhouse. While most of the credit should go to Indians themselves, Bush’s geostrategic and geopolitical decisions propelled this process immeasurably. Today over one billion Indians have a middle class because of a single man, retired at home on his Texas ranch. Democracy, peace, and national greatness are in India’s future, and in large part, India has George Bush to thank for that.
India was also the home turf for the Bush administration’s most important diplomatic success: avoiding full-scale war between Pakistan and India, two nuclear powers, when Pakistani terrorists attacked the Indian parliament on December 13, 2001 — and in the ensuing seven-plus years, as well.
China is a less successful story than India, but when analyzing the possibilities, still one worth hanging a hat on. Before 9/11, the U.S. defense community was organized around the theory of “China: 2025″ — essentially, Red China was perceived as the Soviet Union-to-be. After the 2001 EP-3 spy plane incident, this theory seemed to be accurate. But since then, U.S.-Sino relations have been healthy and far from adversarial.
If Beijing continues to violate human rights, align itself with tyrannies across the world, and govern as a de facto dictatorship, the Chinese will surely cause greater geopolitical mischief in the not-too-distant future. But was the early caricature of George Bush ever accurate? Did Bush inflame any passions from the Chinese or grandstand them whenever he had a chance? The answer is no, he did not.
The Sino-Taiwanese standoff was handled delicately for eight years and did not break precedent. When Bush assumed office, China watchers feared for the worst. Today, the Chinese still gladly hold our debt. There was never much to sweat or fret about.
President Bush had many foreign policy failures, as stated. This much is certain; they were diligently cataloged his entire presidency. But the man also had many triumphs — humanitarian ones, at that — and we would be doing ourselves a disservice if we did not acknowledge them, or at least debate their significance. Bush the image, the perception, the cartoon, was never quite the reality. He was not a uniformed unilateralist who hated working with allies.
The former administration handled Europe, Latin America, and Asia perhaps unconventionally at times, but still as dutifully as any of its predecessors.
To be continued in part two: the Middle East and Africa.






Stop being so bloody defensive. Bush liberated 60 million Muslims. He defeated Al Qaeda in Iraq, and turned Iraq from a terrorist supporting country into one which fought Al Qaeda as it struggled to become a democracy.
He tore down the Clinton/Gorelick terrorist protection wall and kept America safe for 7.5 years. He presided over a robust economy with an unemployment rate under 5% until 2008 when the CRA finally took its toll. Unlike his predecessor, he did not sully his office and he did not let dangers gather in order to win the support of the ostrich-like elites of his country. He dealt with them.
And he did all of this in the face of the most vicious, vile, dishonest and insane criticism imaginable. And he was gracious throughout.
I miss Bush.
There, I said it. I miss him. Hell, I’m starting to miss Clinton. Neither of them bad-mouthed America while talked to foreign television stations. Not even in the second weeks of their presidencies!
THANK YOU for debunking the lie that “everyone hates us because of Bush.” Even I believed it for a while, until I really took a look around.
Europe, Eastern Europe, Australia, North America and most of Asia LOVE the United States and worked very well with Bush, particularly in his second term.
But the tyranical states that don’t like America anyway? Yeah, they hated Bush. Um…so do those Americans who don’t really like America as it is, or Americans as they are, either. You know, the petty-tyrants who can only “love” America when their guy is in office and promising to “remake” her.
I am so happy to see good writers speaking up and starting to explain all the good that Bush did. I really don’t think Mr. Guariglia is being defensive Terry, I think it is more just explaining to all the people with out there with “Bush Derangement Syndrome” exactly how much the world has benefited by us having George W as our president for 8 years. Only in my nightmares could I imagine a world that didn’t have Bush at the helm after 9/11. Do the Bush haters actually think that we would have been kept safe for 7 plus years had a man like Clinton or Obama been in the White House? I am looking foward to the second half of this article when Mr. Guariglia, especially when Mr. Guariglia writes about the mid east.
And remember the nuclear war between Pakistan and India shortly after he took office? Oh yeah, right, he was able to “talk” them out of that. Secretary Powell was the perfect envoy, and no doubt saved millions of lives. In the past, people got Nobel Peace Prizes for such things, back when it meant something.
OK, you want to make your people believe that the US are a country of “well intentionned angels” and that, the Europeans, especially France, wanted to stop or to harm their CHARITY entreprise, the reality is that you don’t want to wake up from your skillfully displayed dream of the genuine AMERICANISM (a neo-con’s well mediatised drama), that is, in reality, arms business controlled.
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174925
Actually, your asking yourself why your country is economically in trouble, BECAUSE priority has been given to the arms business, thus the convenient alliances with Nato countries,with third world countries, with oil countries, with muslim countries… the ” arms lobby” interest was/is to make sure that conflicts still are on somwhere, the US employment and economy depended on them,(precisely Eisenhower saw the premises of these aftermaths, he made a discourse to warn the people before he left the office, that ain’t good to keep such lobies around), though, in the meanwhile these “widely” and “charitily” world opened smart enlighteneds let down your inner and skillfull labour force and enterprises, or make dislocate them, because of the new capitalist idol, “mondialisation”. Now if your country wanted to renew with the”savoir-faire”, it’ll take you at least a decade, cuz the people who knew how to properly work are retired or dead.
“How easily we forget that it was under President Clinton that we militarily intervened on European soil to prevent genocide — and didn’t appeal to Congress, or the UN, or European sensitivities beforehand.”
how easily the History is rewritten in one’s “bright” side !!!
Madeleine Albright and the Clintonites were akin to show these “childish” Europeans how
Uncle Sam can solve briefly their “stoopid” quarrels : the result is that they privileged the path to a future great Mafiosi muslim Albania, while bombing the Serbs and had a blind eye on the arms traffic of the muslims, via Iran ; how comes they didn’t know ????
see who were redrawing the maps :
before the military operation in Srebrenica, Alexander Vershbow, Special Assistant to President Clinton stated that “America should encourage the Bosnians to think in terms of territories with greater territorial coherence and compactness.
http://www.srebrenica-report.com/index.htm
The Clinton administration will face renewed heat on Capitol Hill following revelations that it learnt of, and chose to turn a blind eye to, shipments of arms from Iran and other Islamic countries to Bosnia; not in the spring of 1994 as it has now admitted, but almost from the moment it took office in January 1993.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19960514/ai_n14053484
The RESULTS of the US policy :
The real Srebrenica Genocide not reported by the corrupt, racist pro-Islamist-Nazi Western corporate-controlled media, was the brutal mass murder – using axes, knives, daggers, sledgehammers, iron bars, flamethrowers and explosives – of 3,870 Serbian elderly men, women and young children in and around the town of Srebrenica and its adjoining towns and villages(Bratunac,Skelani,Milici, et al) as well as the town of Gorazde.
http://4international.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/the-real-srebrenica-genocide-the-mass-murder-of-serbs-
Now, finally your article still isn’t on Mr Bush, but how, we the Europeans are the “useful idiots” for demonstrating that they hate America, in Reality, we don’t recognize America anymore, that one that came in the fourties !!!! funny that France always comes at the first place, ah, may-be cuz she is still the only one that dared/dare to tell the things to the big “stoopid Americans”
!!!!
now check who was and what Chirac really felt for America :
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/feb/17/france.jonhenley
Most of the people in Europe could fill the Guardian article
I look forward to the second part. A wonderful article that most on the left will dismiss without realizing it’s reality. Thanks.
The “world,” for our globetrotting media, academic, entertainment, political and even corporate elites means–them. They love Obama because he reflects back to them perfectly their own narcissism, their contempt for the lower orders and their own shallow provincialism. The story of the Obama presidency will be the story of how long these elites (who control much of the world’s public discourse amd imagery) can sustain the bubble that is Obama and their own simulated reality.
If you want to take a peek into how history will review Bush, read this article. You will never see it in the main stream media or hear it from the Hollywood crowd.
Marie Claude, you actually read that entire article and came away with the conclusion that it was all about how Americans want to be seen an angels and that we see Europeans as useful idiots? Seriously? That’s what you got out of the article?
BUSH IS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN US HISTORY.
IGNORED MEMOS ABOUT PENDING 9/11 ATTACKS, TRASHED THE US CONSTITUTION, Politicized Justice dept., wire taped Americans, no bid contracts – KBR & halituran (cheney ‘s jaun) , deregulated anything he could, killed 4500 Americans, Gonalez, Rummy, Katrina, stripped money from FDA, Fema, let Oil lobby write energy policy, let Pearle and Paul Wolfowitz write LACK OF IRAQ RECONSTRUCTION COST $10 bILLION A WEEK, RIGGED ELECTIONS, EXPANDED THE EXECUTIVE Branch, Cheney – obstructed and continues to obstruct justice, Rove – politics and lies cause Gov Siegalman to go to jail due to lies and shenanigans…..
COULD GO ON ALL DAY……
BUSH IS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN US HISTORY.
BUSH IS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN US HISTORY.
BUSH IS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN US HISTORY.
BUSH IS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN US HISTORY.
BUSH IS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN US HISTORY.
BUSH IS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN US HISTORY.
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A good reference piece..
..and this article is getting clipped and saved in my wallet so I can whip it out (so to speak) and show those who think/thought is/was the messiah and rescued us from BusHitler’s failed policies.
Bi-partisan bail-out plan, my ass.
COULD GO ON ALL DAY…… without a fair minded or coherent thought.
bruce,
Did you study to be so eloquent or were you born that way?
Very true. No need to explain. When the FACTUAL history books are penned, he’ll be top 10, just like Truman.
Notice Bruce’s reaction: name calling, emotional rants, in all caps, of course. Cliche, cliche, etc.
Like the little children most “liberals” are.
“killed 4500 Americans”
Moronic, truly.
I suppose Lincoln killed 600,000, Wilson at least 125,000, FDR and Truman 450,000 plus the Japanese, JFK/LBJ/RMn about 60k, etc.
Read a book, Bruce. Stop your hatred for all that is good and ignorance toward evil-doers.
@16. AJ: - Like the little children most “liberals” are.
That’s a far more accurate statement than anyone likely suspects, I suspect.
He lied to Congress and the American people in order to gain support for a war in Iraq that has:
1. Killed over 5,000 American soldiers
2. Killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis
3. Cost us trillions of dollars
4. Resulted in the highest recorded rate of military suicide rate in our nation’s history
5. Further strengthened Iran’s control over Iraq
6. Created more terrorists
7. Still not resulted in any WMDs being found or pre-9/11 links between Sadaam and Al Qaeda.
Yeah, I’d say that’s pretty bad. And I didn’t even mention torture.
Bruce, go back to playing Fallout3, you are disturbing the grown-ups with your noise.
Steve P, Bruce is free for an on-line game.
oh lookit, Steve P trots out his handy-dandy retread list.
Same Bat Time Same Bat Channel
Actually Bush may just be that ‘unsung hero’….. If one takes a good look at Iraq today, it is far better off than it ever was under the leadership of the tyrant Saddam Hussein and his two evil sons. Let us see…. there was 9/11 under him with Bin Laden….but now fewer people are dying and bin Laden is in hiding….terrorism is nowhere near what it was…. voting will soon be taking place in Iraq… American GIs are teaching and playing football and baseball with young Iraqis … and altogether life is a lot better than,
but people will always complain. George Bush is a likeable person and much like the ‘boy next door’. So let us say goodbye George, we’ll miss you and Good Luck.
Steve P,
Brilliant! Except:
1. False
Steve P,
Brilliant! Except:
1. False
2. False
3. False
4. False
5. False
6. False
7. False
See, how easy it is to completely rebut your thoroughly documented accusations.
Bruce, Steve P,
Buch has done alot that most people have made out to be bad…mainly liberals. But, you have no idea how much your military truely respects President Buch. He has done a lot for the military and the country.
If we want to talk bad about a president then we should start looking at our current one! I support the commander and chief; but lets be realistic about his associations. Lets start to look at his beliefs( which come from his racist church\pastor) He was married there had his kids baptisied there and they teach racism\anti-semetic\and marxism…and I don’t know about you, but I hate dictatorships.
I guess, Bruce, Steven, and the like, that all I’m saying is that Buch did the best he could with the tool and information he was given. He is more American and American proud then the man in office today!!
Just remember one thing guys, its “and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands: one Nation under GOD” -not- and to the socialist for which it stand: one Nation under man- which the liberals want you to belive!!
Be safe, all of you fine Americans, and God bless all of you…even the Atheists.
Actually Bush may just be that ‘unsung hero’….. If one takes a good look at Iraq today, it is far better off than it ever was under the leadership of the tyrant Saddam Hussein and his two evil sons. Let us see…. there was 9/11 under him with Bin Laden….but now fewer people are dying and bin Laden is in hiding….terrorism is nowhere near what it was…. voting will soon be taking place in Iraq… American GIs are teaching and playing football and baseball with young Iraqis … and altogether life is a lot better
but people will always complain. George Bush is a likeable person and much like the ‘boy next door’. So let us say goodbye George, we’ll miss you and Good Luck.
As a veteran, we had Iraq contained. I realize Saddam murdered, but Islamic countries, even so called secular Islamic countries are third world. I wish we had not gone in, and I feel it was to be a defacto member of OPEC. That is how I feel. Afganistan I understand why we are there 100%.
We have been at war with Iran for 30 years. Iran, with the help of Europe softies may just get/have the bomb. Big worry.
Our United States continue to allow Muslims into this country. Why? Anyone with a brain knows Islam is not peaceful.How many examples do we need?
We have lost millions of jobs to third would countries for cheap labor. A global New World Order. Along with millions of illegal aliens costing us in health care, jails, low wages, and anchor babies, etc…
Bush realized the housing bubble due to low income, or no income families getting a house. Bush also knew China was playing games with their money, helping to cause this economy we now have.
I like Mr. Bush better the Kerry. However, I believe we have been sold out to the New World Order, and will become a first rate third world country because of it.
I realize most of you folks here are good people, and care about our country. I too care about our once great nation. We are now faced with secular humanism, and BLT destroying what is left of that our Grandparents gave us. The now POTUS spent 20 years inside a so called BLT church.
Am I the only one who can see the writing on the wall?
To the knee-jerk Bush-haters here – The article didn’t cover the Middle-east yet. Save your rants for part 2. None of your criticisms, except Marie Claude’s, dealt with Europe, Asia, or South America.
Marie Claude – I hear a lot of anger. Okay. However, the article was about Bush’s effect on the world, not Clinton’s. As for the arms business, that’s not nearly the industry it was, as far as I know. All the bad guys seem to be using Kalashnikovs. Iran is getting Russian Air Defense systems (as was Hussein), not American.
Furthermore, wasn’t France a big arms seller to countries like Iraq? I believe that Farnce and Russia opposed the Iraq war, because they owed you two about $600M for loans to buy your weapons. Be honest about Bush. He hasn’t been the big purveyor of arms, has he?
24. aramkr:
Steve P,
Brilliant! Except:
1. False
2. False
3. False
4. False
5. False
6. False
7. False
See, how easy it is to completely rebut your thoroughly documented accusations.
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Golly! That was easy. Now how about explaining why these accusations are false.
I would like to correct Terry Gain who made the first post: not all 60 (I would say about 50) million of them are Muslims, there are non-Muslim peoples and minorities among those liberated by Bush.
You might as well forego part 2 if you’re trying to claim the merits of his Presidency–oh, and don’t bother on discussing his domestic successes, err excesses, either.
“Now how about explaining why these accusations are false”.
Nope. He who avers must prove.
“He lied to Congress and the American people in order to gain support for a war in Iraq”
Then I guess President Clinton, Mrs. Clinton, Sen. Kennedy, Sen. Kerry, Sec. Albright, Britain, France, Israel, Spain, Australia, Canada and every democrat from 1998 on also “lied” about WMD in Iraq.
Grow up. Learn to distinguish between a lie (like, “no lobbyists will be appointed to my administration) and simply getting bad intel.
None of the presidents in the last 100 years are worth the powder to blow them to hell. Our present problems are all planned to get us into the New World Order. They have been planning this for years. Don’t expect this markist to get us out of this. He is also part of the plan. Things are going to get much worse and then they will bring in the New World Order uless God has other plans.
I am saddened to this day at what the MSM and Hollywood has done to this man.
I pray for him every day.
God Bless GW Bush.
all of that aside: terrorists of 9/11 accomplished everything they meant to do, kill our people and brainwash the foolish msm and Hollywood to hater our great President.
Thank you msm, thank you Olbermann, Maddow, et al thank you for trashing our country
Marc, I don’t feel like anger, but rather sadness !!!
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and, of course, I don’t mean that France is better, proportionally discussing ! though the arms lobby isn’t our first industry that creates reachnesses and employement, but a part of it, don’t know yet which percentage (I’ll have a look, if necessary
What I ment in my post, is that the US pocicy is the same, whatever government is in place, I bet that O will use it too, it’s unavoidable ! (since Eisenhower’s discourse) ;
Now, I responded to :
How easily we forget that it was under President Clinton that we militarily intervened on European soil to prevent genocide — and didn’t appeal to Congress, or the UN, or European sensitivities beforehand. It was also under Clinton that the Europeans coined the United States a “hyper-power” to be thwarted
OK, I wasn’t on Bush, but on what has been said on us because of Chirac’s decision of not following the herd.
though, while I am responding to you, I will also for this :
The two most anti-American statesmen of that era — Jacques Chirac of France and Gerhard Schroeder of Germany — are now gone, their corrupt financial ties to Saddam’s regime exposed for all to see. They were replaced by staunchly pro-American leaders like Nicolas Sarkozy and Angela Merkel.
got to laugh, cuz, actually Ms Merkel is full of smiles and good words towards any of your administrations, and guess, the german business hasn’t been better with Putin or Iran LMAO ; so it seems that, you, good people, want to hear nice talks about you !!!!
here we go again, links that I have already posted on that board, please, take your time to read them !!!
According to the WMEAT publication, the top ten arms exporters in 1996 controlled 94 percent of the world trade. The top ten are:
Country BillionsUS$ Percent of Total
United State 23.50 55
United Kingdom 6.10 14
Russia 3.30 8
France 3.20 8
Sweden 1.20 3
Germany .83 2
Israel .68 2
China .60 1
Canada .46 1
Netherlands .34 <1
http://www.cdi.org/weekly/1999/issue05.html
http://encyclopedia.farlex.com/arms+trade
http://www.answers.com/topic/arms-industry-1
http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2003/10/05/poland_admits_error_on_missiles/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/may/03/20040503-123158-1229r/?page=2
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/040.html
ok, got a “spam” catcher on my IP, can’t post my response, anyway, it’ll be there
http://bokedou-an-hanv.blogspot.com/2009/01/marc-i-dont-feel-like-anger-but-rather.html
I’ve always been a bit weirded out by the supposedly rational logical and intelligent people who just go into foaming at the mouth incoherence at the mention of Bush’s name. I don’t think it has to do much with the man, or even specific policies (including the ones #18 Steve P. or #6 Marie Claude mentioned. For one thing, Marie Claude seems more upset with Clinton than Bush, but never mind. Instead, I believe it to be a convergence of factors that have been exaggerated repeatedly in the last couple of decades, and are now coming to a head.
First, conservatism, and its core beliefs, are now under siege as they’ve never been before. For the last 20 years, the popular entertainment media has been almost unswerving in depicting conservatives as evil. Liberals, by comparison, are sometimes portrayed as incompetent and hapless, but you’ll never see a serious, coherent, intelligent environmental terrorist on TV, unless someone does a documentary on the Unabomber. Further, these days we have four or five talk show monologues, the Daily Show and the Colbert Report, and so forth, relentlessly ridiculing President Bush and everyone else in the Republican Party save Colin Powell. In the next decade, one of two things is going to happen: either the public is going to wise up (unlikely given the ignorance of the public in general) or Republicans are going to cease to exist, except as gadflies that pick at the permanent majority party of the Democrats, who will cruise forward with corruption and mismanagement without any doubts about their rectitude. The fact that the tinfoil hat brigade who believe President Bush was behind 9/11 is so large is just further proof: we’re doomed, and there’s little we can do about it. I would bet that Bruce couldn’t name the other presidents who are thought to be incompetent throughout our history, without checking first with Wikipedia or something. He just knows Bush was terrible, and Al Gore would have solved our problems by waving his magic wand. After all, Al invented the internet, what else couldn’t he have done. Obama has healed the nation’s racial animosity (single-handedly) and will now proceed to repair our image in the world, repair the economy (think how bad things would be *without* the stimulus package, supporters will say), and save the world.
Iraq, no new 9/11s, anti missiles for Poles and Czechs all good but Bush’s policy with China was not good. 2025 is a big worry and he was too cozy with Putin vis a vis Iran but felt compelled to show his bona fides re: multilateralism. He was great against Arafat but missed badly getting Rice to force Israel out of the Philadelphi corridor in Gaza and taking Abbas at face value.
Overall Obama will be lucky to be half as good. Meanwhile Hollywood ought to do a movie about the Columbia hostage rescue; instead we get that disgusting romantic portrayal of the murderer Che. But not all is lost; Bill Roggio of Long War Journal was on Wisconsin Public Radio hosted by its most “progressive” talk show host. Keep communicating; the country is bound to get back its senses as the Israelis did last month after 8 years of missile attacks on civilians.
Who hates America? Islamo-fascists, socialist snobs, Soviet thugs, drug lords, far-left fanatics, and communists. Who cares what they think? I don’t want to count such people among my friends.
Marc, DavidN… I don’t feel like anger, it’s my rough way of being serious
though if I had to feel something, it’s rather sadness !!! and, of course, I don’t mean that France is better, proportionally discussing ! though the arms lobby isn’t our first industry that creates reachnesses and employement, but a part of it, don’t know yet which percentage (I’ll have a look, if necessary
)
What I ment in my post, is that the US pocicy is the same, whatever government is in place, I bet that O will use it too, it’s unavoidable ! (since Eisenhower’s discourse) ;
Now, I responded to : How easily we forget that it was under President Clinton that we militarily intervened on European soil to prevent genocide — and didn’t appeal to Congress, or the UN, or European sensitivities beforehand. It was also under Clinton that the Europeans coined the United States a “hyper-power” to be thwarted
OK, I wasn’t on Bush, but on what has been said on us because of Chirac’s decision of not following the herd.
though, while I am responding to you, I will also for this :
The two most anti-American statesmen of that era — Jacques Chirac of France and Gerhard Schroeder of Germany — are now gone, their corrupt financial ties to Saddam’s regime exposed for all to see. They were replaced by staunchly pro-American leaders like Nicolas Sarkozy and Angela Merkel.
got to laugh, cuz, actually Ms Merkel is full of smiles and good words towards any of your administrations, and guess, the german business hasn’t been better with Putin or Iran LMAO ; so it seems that, you, good people, want to hear nice talks about you !!!!
here we go again, links that I have already posted on that board, please, take your time to read them !!!
According to the WMEAT publication, the top ten arms exporters in 1996 controlled 94 percent of the world trade. The top ten are:
Country BillionsUS$ Percent of TotalUnited State 23.50 55United Kingdom 6.10 14Russia 3.30 8France 3.20 8Sweden 1.20 3Germany .83 2Israel .68 2China .60 1Canada .46 1Netherlands .34
link above for sources
40. Marie Claude:
Well we wouldn’t worry about Europe if we didn’t care, and we wouldn’t care if we didn’t like you. Heck, France gets an extra point for getting rid of worthless royalty.
We don’t quite appreciate the fact that many Europeans feel the need to ‘thwart’ us. Quite often it feels adversarial just to be adversarial or maybe just to inflate your self importance.
As for the arms exports stats I would like to see how that breaks down. The US, UK and France all have pretty high tech exports that have a high unit cost compared to Russia and China. So one Air Refueler or fighter jet costs the same as hundreds of rockets and missiles. Something to think about.
God bless G.W.B.
He had to deal with what I hope [PRAY] NO president EVER has to deal with again regarding 9/11. He kept us SAFE and regardless of the nayer-baters he DID have OUR collective best interest at heart.
After George & Laura getting rudely booed at the Obama usurp-er-inauguration, this warmed my, cold, black, conservative heart:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/yahoolatestnews/stories/012909dnspobuwomenpres.1261b240.html?npc
Wow. What are you smoking, Nick?
Europeans have been largely opposed to Bush policies. Those “sturdy” economic ties mean that Europe will suffer severe fallout from our current financial crisis. Russia has been on the move in Georgia and Iran while choking natural gas supplies to their neighbors. US-Europe relations were damaged, though not beyond repair. Bush will be remembered for rendition and torture.
Latin Americans also are largely opposed to Bush. We have attempted to continue colonialism by other means, using military aid in the “drug war” to help repressive governments put down resistance. Iran-Contra comes to mind. Your mention of an “axis” is an awful echo – in truth, the socialist revolutions in these countries are popular and likely to be enduring if they can continue to improve conditions. Bush will be remembered for funding political violence.
Asians can see that we pander to the Chinese and the Indians because we respect their economic might. Our nuclear dalliance with India only further inflames our strained relations with fragile Pakistan, which is also a nuclear power. Our codependent relationship with China is a large drain on us and on them, and a source of building tension. Bush will be remembered for collapsing the world economy.
Most of the world did not want the things Bush offered. They are glad to see him go. You can argue all day long that the “damage was limited”. The fact is that the damage was significant and widespread, and has not yet been fully revealed. The GWB legacy will take time to be sorted out, but mostly that’s because so much was kept officially secret that uncovering the truth will be an ongoing process. Sure, we can imagine ways that Bush could have done worse. If that is our standard, however, I don’t want to play.
Peace.
DS
Additional info, at least with respect to arms and Iraq.
“at least with respect to arms and Iraq”
who didn’t ? umm it isn’t complete
Who armed Saddam?
From Lev Lafayette, 26 July 2002
1. The British Foreign Office’s Report on Strategic Export Controls (released last night) shows that:
a. Arms sales to Indonesia increased from #2m to #15.5m. Licences include all-wheel vehicles, components for aircraft cannon, combat aircraft and military aero-engines. This to a country that committed state-sponsored terror in East Timor.
b. Arms sales to Pakistan increased from #6m to #14m. This to a military dictatorship that created the Taliban.
2. In light of these figures, and the rhetoric of war against Iraq, some points need to be made. Given that Saddam is often described as a man who is willing to kill his own people by using chemical weapons, it’s worth examining who armed him in the first place.
3. In the 1970s, Saddam approached the USSR, until then his conventional weapons supplier, to buy a plant to manufacture chemical weapons, but his request was refused. Saddam then began courting the West, and received a much more favourable response.
4. An American company, Pfaulder Corporation of Rochester, New York, supplied the Iraqis with a blueprint in 1975, enabling them to construct their first chemical warfare plant. The plant was purchased in sections from Italy, West Germany and East Germany and assembled in Iraq. It was located at Akhashat in north-western Iraq, and the cost was around $50 million for the plant and $30 million for the safety equipment.
5. British, French and German multinationals turned the request down on moral grounds or because the Iraqi delivery schedule couldn’t be met—not because their governments objected.
6. The United States took other steps to ensure that Saddam’s rule was strengthened. Mobile phone systems were mainly in the military domain at the time, but the United States government approved the 1975 sale by the Karkar Corporation of San Francisco of a complete mobile telephone system. The system was to be used by the Ba’ath Party loyalists to protect the regime against any attempts to overthrow it.
7. The United States also supplied Saddam with satellite pictures of Iranian positions during the Iran-Iraq war.
8. France provided Saddam with extended-range Super Etendard aircraft capable of hitting Iranian oil facilities in the lower Gulf.
9. While Britain’s Margaret Thatcher mouthed platitudes about not supplying either Iran or Iraq with lethal weapons, Britain’s Plessey Electronics supplied Saddam with an electronic command center.
10. Iraq was also able to buy French-built Mirage-1 aircraft and Gazelle and Lynx helicopters from the British company Westland.
11. In 1976, while on a visit to France, Saddam concluded the purchase of a uranium reactor. Jacques Chirac, then the Prime Minister and now the President, approved the deal. The supplier was Commissart l’Energie Atomique (CEA) and the plutonium reactor was called Rhapsodie. France also signed a Nuclear Cooperation Treaty with France, providing for the transfer of expertise and personnel.
12. In 1978, the Italian firm Snia Technit, a subsidiary of Fiat, signed an agreement with Iraq to sell nuclear laboratories and equipment.
13. Whenever the declared policies of the Western countries stood in the way of an arms deal, Western governments used two methods to get around their own rules and thereby manage public opinion.
a. The first method was the well-established use of the ‘front’. Thus, Western governments supplied Saddam through the pro-West countries of Jordan and Egypt, which acted as a front for Iraq. This was done to overcome Congressional, parliamentary and press hurdles, even when it was obvious to military experts that Jordan and Egypt had no use for the weapons in question. Saddam also set up his own weapons buying offices in the West, with the knowledge of the host governments. For example, Matrix Churchill was a weapons purchasing company set up in Britain.
b. The second method was to extend Saddam massive credits which he could then use for military purposes. Thus, the Banco di Lavoro in the United States gave Saddam US$4 billion worth of credits, ostensibly to buy food, but which was diverted to buy weapons with the knowledge of everyone involved. Britain’s Export Credit Guarantee department kept increasing his credit and much of the money went to the direct purchase of arms. The French government guaranteed US$6 billion worth of loans to French arms makers to sell Saddam whenever he wanted. Whenever the declared policies of the Western countries stood in the way of an arms deal.
14. When Saddam did in fact use chemical weapons against his own people, he did so on the afternoon of 17 March 1988, against the Kurdish city of Halabja. The United States provided diplomatic cover by initially blaming Iran for the attack. The Reagan Administration tried to prevent criticism of the atrocity. The Bush (senior) administration authorised new loans to Saddam in order to achieve the goal of increasing US exports and put us in a better position to deal with Iraq regarding its human rights record.
15. The US Department of Commerce licensed the export of biological materials—including a range of pathogenic agents—as well as plans for chemical and biological warfare production facilities and chemical-warhead filling equipment—to Iraq until December 1989, 20 months after the Halabja atrocity.
Sources:
Saod K. Aburish, Saddam Hussein, The Politics of Revenge, New York, 2000.
Mark Phythian, Arming Iraq, Boston, 1997.
Geoff Simons, Iraq from Sumer to Saddam, London, 1996.
Kenneth R. Timmermann, The Death Lobby, How the West Armed Iraq, London, 1994.
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/040.html
Well written, Nick. Its commendable to see someone write about what so few people are willing to admit or even try to acknowledge. People are always quick to talk and judge, and doing so becomes much easier when one is on the sidelines. Suffice to say, it will be interesting to see how Americans react or what their comments will consist of in the next few months when their so called “change” comes into play- or the lack there of.
#40 Marie Claude – #42 e: essayed a valid question; one that I was going to raise. The U.S. has huge arms sale, it is true. Ours are mostly big-ticket to legal buyers. (Yeah, I know some get “diverted”.) NATO buys stuff from us. The Saudis, our nominal ally buys their fighters from us. Israel buys stuff. Iraq. Columbia. So it goes. We have military commitments to 45(?) countries of the world. We are a superpower. We have many allies, and we arm them. We have to. Those arms sales are not evil. They are not even a big portion of our country’s economy. They may seem large to France, but it’s chump change here. The U.S. is rich beyond understanding (but going broke).
Contrast that with Russia. All the butchers of the world use Kalashnikovs and RPG’s. You don’t see them using M16a2′s, a better weapon, do you. Weapons sales in Russia is what is helping them stay at all afloat. They sell to anyone.
This is a fine article, thank you very much, Nicholas Guariglia. I look forward to your second portion.
Marc,
yeah, those bloody Russians !!!!
Navyman2000 writes: Buch has done alot that most people have made out to be bad…mainly liberals. But, you have no idea how much your military truely respects President Buch. He has done a lot for the military and the country.
Yeah, buddy, American soldiers are killing themselves in record numbers to show their support for Bush.
Jbl writes: Then I guess President Clinton, Mrs. Clinton, Sen. Kennedy, Sen. Kerry, Sec. Albright, Britain, France, Israel, Spain, Australia, Canada and every democrat from 1998 on also “lied” about WMD in Iraq.
You’re retarded if you think that they got to see the exact same intelligence that Bush did.
Jbl writes: Grow up. Learn to distinguish between a lie (like, “no lobbyists will be appointed to my administration) and simply getting bad intel.
Naive idiot. Learn to distinguish between receiving bad intel and specifically asking your advisors and the CIA to provide you with bad intel that supports your case for war.
Sylvie says: Actually Bush may just be that ‘unsung hero’….. If one takes a good look at Iraq today, it is far better off than it ever was under the leadership of the tyrant Saddam Hussein and his two evil sons. Let us see…. there was 9/11 under him with Bin Laden….but now fewer people are dying and bin Laden is in hiding….terrorism is nowhere near what it was…. voting will soon be taking place in Iraq… American GIs are teaching and playing football and baseball with young Iraqis … and altogether life is a lot better but people will always complain. George Bush is a likeable person and much like the ‘boy next door’. So let us say goodbye George, we’ll miss you and Good Luck.
Iraq is better? No. Most of the Iraqis who would have been able to rebuild, i.e., engineers, doctors, architects, scientists, have already fled or were killed during the invasion, and are not coming back. The only people who have not fled are those who were either too poor, or those who saw that they could gain from the chaos. Most reports are saying now that the number of civilians killed under our occupation exceeds the number killed under Hussein’s regime. What remains now is an essentially lawless, violent country with no infrastructure, where most families do not have running water or electricity and can barely feed themselves because the economy is nonexistent. Add to that a new ruling class of Iranian Islamist thugs (the kind of thugs that Saddam contained), and you basically have created a gestating terrorist nation that in a decade or two will be filled with angry people who distinctly remember having their entire country decimated by us, led by Iranian leaders who will not have to work very hard to brainwash them into becoming terrorists.
Bush is a monkey.
If Bush is a monkey, what does that make you.
Say what you want about Bush, but the man has class, style and empathy. My business prospered during the years of Bush. I felt safe and I felt proud that Bush did not allow the World to “trash” America. My gosh, how many “attacks” can a man take and still get up everyday with a smile on his face. Obamaweenie is in office 1 week and he is already “whining” and “attacking” conservatives such as Rush Limbaugh. No class, no style.. that is what I see in Obama. When the chips are down I do not feel Obama will act anything like a “man” when it comes to making the right decisions for the health, welfare and safety of our Country.
President Bush is a hero to many people and THAT is what makes the liberals so damn mad. They know that people will always love Bush because he understood and believed that our Great Country was founded on FREEDOM, not SOCIALISM.
Many of us will dearly miss President Bush and his wonderful wife, Laura.
President Bush, “please take care of yourself and your family.. and THANK YOU for a wonderful Presidency.”
@54 Bob,
Past-President Bush may be a hero to you – but what for?
Because of something he believed?
What about all the things that he did?
If you consider this to have been a wonderful Presidency, I shudder to imagine what an awful one would look like.
Peace.
DS
“If you consider this to have been a wonderful Presidency, I shudder to imagine what an awful one would look like.”
Hmmm….now if we could just hope it remained only in your imagination….
@ Steve P you are deluded and polluted believing only what suits you. When were you in Iraq? what did you see there first hand? Take Aljezira off your bookmarks and read Michael Yon’s book Moment of Truth in Iraq before you open your mouth about that which you know not of. Freedom is what was brought to Iraq nothing less than freedom just ask a Kurd.
@ Dave II
We’ve had 10 days of very mediocre and it’s slipping toward awful pretty fast. I do so love the look on the koolaid drinkers faces as Husain tosses another promise under the bus though.
WOW…How come the main stream media doesn’t say all these things? Nick has certainly done his research. It is amazing how people have been totally taken over and pretty much “blindsided” by the media. Bush absolutely kept us safe but lots more than that as Mr Guariglia has already stated in part 1. Looking foward to part 2 (hopefully on the mideast?). I wonder if anyone out there would have taken a bet on 9/12/01 that we would be electing a guy like Obama. Amazing how the media slants things and people actually buy into it. I would suggest some of you who still have “Bush Derangement Syndrome” do some real research, some good reading about the facts, look into some mid east history and philosophy and then come back to your senses. Hopefully the GOP can one day regroup. At the present moment with Obama defunding defense, closing GITMO, deciding NOT to call this a “War on Terror” and moving this country towards socialism, I am extremely concerned about the next 4 years. IF WE GET THOUGH THEM AT ALL.
Bush is a lightweight – always has been always will be. I’m surprised that isn’t painfully obvious now.
p.s 911 happened under Bush.
Hey Marie Claude, how about some comments on the youth riots in France? How about your thoughts on France’s unemployment rate and the state of the economy? Let’s hear the great things that France is doing to help citizens in other countries and of the times France has stepped up to stop injustices and genocide.
You, gentlemen, are out of your minds.
Good Lord, just take a look at the condition of our economy. Iraq was and is an utter disaster.
Bush was the worst President ever. Ever.
And you bozos are lobbying for more tax cuts. How’s that worked out the past eight years?
Ok, this article has accrued a good sized amount of liberal hatred and some support for it. However, lets look at one of the greatest Presidents this country has ever had: Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
FDR was elected for promising to get the US out of the Depression. Did he succeed? That is highly debatable as it is more generally credited to the war. He and the people working for him were warned well in advance about the Pearl Harbor bombing. If he had been willing to he had a good chance of making peace with Japan before the first bomb fell on Hawaii, this was when Konoye was in power in Japan not Tojo. He provoked Hitler, much the same way Bush has been provoking Islamic Fundamentalists. His government imprisoned Japanese-Americans in Internment Camps for the majority of the war, something that did not happen to either German- or Italian-Americans. A number of the policies he implemented in the New Deal are no longer needed but still used like the TVA.
Despite all this FDR is viewed as one of the greatest men to ever serve as President. He and his administration were some of the greatest men in the history of the nation but that does not condone the fact that they were responsible for not trying to avoid a war with Japan to their utmost or a war with Hitler. FDR at least wanted a war with Hitler, the German Dictator would never have abided the Lend-Lease Act as anything less than what it was, a way to keep Britain going.
So both FDR did things that at the time most Americans didn’t approve of. Give it fifty years and we’ll see what public opinion is of Bush.
Boy, write something nice about President Bush and the deranged crazies come crawling out of the sewer.
He was a great man and a great President. I just never got why all the liberals got so darned crazy. I guess mental illness is more prevalent than I thought.
The man was a good president and yes, he made mistakes but he always had the best interest of Americans and the best interests of our allies at heart. He has done more for MILLIONS of people all over the world than any other president in the history of the United states.
(Besides Roosevelt and Truman who were presidents during WWII and helped liberate Europe, China etc.)
“So both FDR did things that at the time most Americans didn’t approve of. Give it fifty years and we’ll see what public opinion is of Bush.”
Try that one at the office.
You are out of your mind.
Give everyone fifty years to catch up on their mortgage while you’re at it.
@63 Chris:
FDR took four years of worsening economic conditions and turned things around. After Hoover, there was a lot of ground to make up, so it took a few years. The war certainly helped in achieving full employment, but the USA was well on the road to recovery after FDR’s first term.
There has been much debate about how much FDR knew of the plan for Pearl Harbor, and whether peace could have been maintained. Certainly the USA could have worked harder to remain neutral in WW2, but in truth we supported military preparations on both sides for our own economic benefit, and would have been attacked eventually regardless.
A number of FDR’s policies may be outdated, but in reality, most are well appreciated to this day. FDR worked to create a social safety net, put millions to work, fund massive infrastructure improvements, and electrify, pave and plumb the nation. FDR got more heat from bug business than from your average American. The coup attempt is well documented.
FDR may have done things that most Americans didn’t approve of, but he brought improvements to their lives that led to his unprecedented 4 terms. That was because after each four years, Americans were better off. Under Bush, Americans have been worse off. It is not likely that history will be kind to him.
Peace.
DS
Something happened in the US after the 50s. War Presidents became unpopular. We lost in Vietnam — technically we withdrew. However, ask the Europeans how they would have like living under Nazi oversight for the last 50 years. Ask the South Koreans, if they would have like the communist system to the north. How soon we forget NY/911!!!
I am encouraged to see the truth emerge in regards to President Bush. He is a good man who has done great things. I guess he is content with not touting himself. A traight the left might look in to. If you want to Thank him,do so. Here’s a place you can. http://www.thankw.com
FDR took four years of worsening economic conditions and turned things around. After Hoover, there was a lot of ground to make up, so it took a few years. The war certainly helped in achieving full employment, but the USA was well on the road to recovery after FDR’s first term.
You obviously know zilch about zero about America’s economic history. Truth is that unemployment remained very high during both of Roosevelt’s terms adbn that there was a second depression in 1937-38 in whivh it raised to nearly the peaks of 1932. Also while driving America in a colision course with Germany and Japan he let Germany pass it technologically and American Armed Forces wither on the wine. That is how in 1942 American pilots on Buffalos and Devastators were slaughtered by the Zeros and P40s bested by Messerchmitts and Focke Wuld. Add that America had no decent radar before the British lent it the magnetron technology and the thousands of American tankers burned alive when their pitiful Shermans met German Tigers and Panthers they had no way to destroy. These are only some of the effects of Roosevelt’s “masterful” handling of the Greate Depression and his defence cuts.
Marie Claude asks the question? Who armedx Saddam and then refers us to a document we must take at face value. However I am a quantitative man, I apply teh “Vatican, how many divsions?” and the data about Saddam era Irak imports. And we find that teh Lion’s share of Saddam weapons came from… Russia, followed by China, followed by… France with if my memory does not fail me about 15% of Irak’s imports. The US and UK accounted for less than 1% puty together. Let’s also not forget that Jacques Chirac publicaly said that he was all for Saddam having the nuke (that was in 1974-1976) when he sold him a nuclear plant. So Miss Marie Claude has taken the money and the jobs from France’s arms sales to Saddam and now comes lecturing about decency.
From the article: And, of course, it was under Clinton that Europe’s cherished Kyoto Protocol climate treaty was rejected unanimously 95-0 by the U.S. Senate.”
Since there are 100 senators and 95 voted against Kyoto, did Obambi just vote ‘present’ again?
@69. JFM:
Unemployment improved during each of FDR’s terms. FDR helped take an isolationist country and make it a world superpower. Sure, he wasn’t perfect, but in the opinion of most credible historians, he did a damn fine job, and got it done. He faced an unprecedented crisis, and took action to repair the nation’s economy. Yes, he made mistakes, but on the whole he made things better.
We were way behind the Germans before FDR took the oath of office, and we maintained a capitalist economy, unlike the Germans who went with Fascism to maximize their military potential. It’s amazing how much FDR got done under the circumstances.
You’re still not on topic, however. The point is that Bush was much worse – and that’s not really up for debate. If you want to burnish Bush’s reputation, FDR is not the comparison to make.
Peace.
DS
Mr David
I reiterate that you haven’t looked at the economic data. It is true that in 1936 America had partially recovered but it was nothing to write home but it plunged again in 1937-38 and for the improvement in 1940 by then war had already started and America was selling like mad to the French (until June), British and Canadians. Also “practically the whole New Deal was extrapolated from programs that Hoover started.” (a quote from New Dealer Rexford Tugwell).
Also you know nothing about European history. When Roosevelt took his oath Gerrany had a 100,000 men Reischwehr, had no heavy artillery, had zero tanks and zero planes. She only had a tiny Navy without any capital ship and zero submarines.
So in addition to his failure in prepare America militarily (did I mention torpedoes who didn’t explode?) he was (rightly IMHO) heading into we can remember how organized crime grew under his guard (and how he got the Democratic nomination under his guard), how he alienated De Gaulle and made France a neare ennemy for decaxdes to come, how he handled half Europe to Stalin and how under its watch that American administration was inflitrated by hundreds if not thousands of Soviet agents only a tiny part of which (under 200 over 700 sources that the FBI was aware from the small part of Soviet radio traffic it could unencrypt) was purged during McCarthyism.
That is for your great man FDR.
Post 73 debugged
Mr David
I reiterate that you haven’t looked at the economic data. It is true that in 1936 America had partially recovered but it was nothing to write home and it plunged again in 1937-38. For the improvement in 1940 by then war had already started and America was selling like mad to the French (until June), British and Canadians. Also “practically the whole New Deal was extrapolated from programs that Hoover started.” (a quote from New Dealer Rexford Tugwell).
Also you know nothing about European history. when Roosevelt took his oath Germany had a 100,000 men Reichswehr, had no heavy artillery, had zero tanks and zero planes. She only had a tiny Navy without any capital ship and zero submarines.
So in addition to his failure in preparing America militarily (did I mention torpedoes who didn’t explode?) for the war he was (rightly IMHO) heading into, we can remember how organized crime grew under his guard (and how he got the Democratic nomination thanks to gangster support), how he alienated De Gaulle and made France a near enemy for decades to come, how he handled half Europe to Stalin and how it was under his watch that American administration was inflitrated by hundreds if not thousands of Soviet agents only a tiny part of which (under 200 over 700 sources that the FBI was aware from the small part of Soviet radio traffic it could unencrypt) was purged during McCarthyism.
That is for your great man FDR.
I notice that no one bothers to defend FDR’s treatment of the Japanese-Americans. You’ll hop up to defend his economic and military plans but for the domestic issue of an entire ethnic section of the country not one voice.
The main difference between Bush and Roosevelt is in their abilities to project to the people. FDR was a master, Bush was not. That does not detract from the fact that they both did things that were bad. I doubt the Japanese-Americans were very happy about having their houses and businesses confiscated just because of how they were born. If you think about it has there been a forced movement of Americans of the Muslim faith anywhere in the US by the government?
Another problem is that FDR died in office so we cannot say whether the man wanted his economic policies to live past his Presidency. A number of them are hurting the economy at the moment, like the TVA and SS. Unemployment did improve but is it really an improvement when inflation is going up and all jobs are payed through tax revenue? Every job created by the government is payed for through tax revenue, which makes me fearful of Obama’s promise of more government jobs, this takes money from the private sector without stimulating it.
In terms of Japan there was a real chance of peace with the country before the first bomb fell if the Roosevelt Administration had been willing to make some concessions to Japan and from there, according to sources in Japan at the time there was a real chance for a negotiated peace between China and Japan. This disappeared as the US was unwilling to talk with the Konoye government in power before Pearl Harbor.
@73
Look at the world before FDR.
Look at the world after FDR.
Most folks think he did a good job.
Look at the world before Bush.
Look at the world after Bush.
Most folks think he did a bad job.
You are entitled to your opinion, and certainly both men made mistakes and had successes. I have no doubt about how Bush will be received by history.
Peace.
DS
Disillusionment will inevitably set in, as nations realize that Barack Obama is the president of the United States only. He’s not president of the world. It is America’s problems he will be consumed with, and America’s interests he will be upholding
yeah, what are your sources ? apart the “propaganda” against France launched conveniently in your partisan medias !!!!
um chirac never intended to give the nuclear bomb to Irak, but nuclear civil, and if you’d known a bit more of the “objective truth” about civil nuclear, then you woun’t say BS !!! it’s imposible to transform an uranium stick that has been dedicated for civil service into a bomb, it would need such a complicated process, that a man in a hurry like Saddam couldn’t afford as technology and as time !!!
But he could have made it with natural uranium that is used by american standards, Candu, Pakistan did it, then why not Saddam, the Iranians, …
sorry if my sources are authentic and don’t make you look so nice
maryo: get a life, try a bit some “new” news, and you’ll see that our situation is much better than yours LMAO
have a nice night or day, I don’t care
At David
I did. I saw Stalin poised to take over the world thenks to FDR’s complacency (Thank God he died and Truman changing course. But it was not a second too soon). I see the seeds of evil growing in Saudi Arabia, the seeds FDR had watered and whose poisonous fruit would blow in America’s face on 9/11 forcing Bush to spend his presidency cleaning FDRs mess.
Oh, Dubya. I think you’re getting a bad rap. (Not the music kind, and not the pita kind – you know the rap with a W – but the reputation kind). I think you did a wonderful job. The fundamentals of the economy are strong. We’re safer now. We have the respect of the world community. I feel safe now. I don’t think I have anything to worry about. I’m proud to be an American, where at least I know I’m free. (Wait, that sounds familiar.) So, don’t you and Laura worry none about what you left behind. You set us up for certain victory on all fronts – political, economic, military, social. Thank you, thank you, thank you. What I want to know is how could this idiot Obama have screwed up all that good work in just two weeks. Man, that guy is stupid. Can I get an “Amen!”
JFM, my bad, wrong quotation, (uh, I’m getting busy tonight !!! but right response for your rant
@79. JFM:
FDR played his cards pretty well. He took a backwater, broke and hungry US and made it the powerhouse of the world. He kept the Germans, Russians and Japanese at bay, and laid a foundation that served us well for almost seventy years, until we decided we knew better and started to tear it apart.
Bush & Co have been in bed with the Saudis since the beginning. GWB got his start, and several restarts, with help from the Bin Laden family. GHWB owes the trajectory of his career to the Saudis as well.
FDR died just 2 months after shaking hands with the Saudis. To accuse him of being the sole cause of the troubles GWB faced is dishonest in the extreme. GWB, of all people, was well aware of Osama bin Laden and his activities – they were like cousins.
Peace.
DS
Sorry but it is difficult to argeue with someone who doesn’t want to see the facts.
IN 1932 USA was not only the first power in world but also the first technological one by 1940 it was no longer the leader in technology. He took a hungry country and eight years after when the war started it was as hungry as it was in 1932. In eight fricking years he had been unable to make more than token progress (are you going ever to look at the number of unemployed or are you much in fear that they will shatter your dream?) before the war pilled his chestnuts from the fire.
He mismananged Germany and Japan being unable to do the 101 in Politics: adequate your military to your foreign policy and viceversa. Tens of thosands of Ameriacsn, millions of chinese and filipino would die because by 1941 American forces were equiped with crap. Also he allowed the Japanese Navy to surpass the US Navy: despite Midawy it was not before mid 1943 that America reached parity in carriers with the IJN.
He put the red carpet for Stalin, gave him half of Europe to murder, rape and oppress. He allowed thousands of commuinist agents to infiltrate the administration. His grotesque plans of recomposing Europe’s map have mùade that even today the French are resentful of America’s role in WWII. Through too much reading of Pearl S Buck he beacme infatuated with corrupt Tchang Kai Check and played right into the hands of Mao. And last but not lesst, he helped the Seud to say in power preventing the more moderate Hashemites of taking back Mecca: the Hashemites as direct descendants of Mahoma had no need to play more islamic than thou in order to gain legitimacy (in fact they weren’t opposed to a jewish preence).
The more I look at FDR’s action the least esteem I have fir him. At this point I place him under Johnson. Force me to investigate him a bit more and I will end wondering if he wasn’t a traitor.
@83. JFM:
I would love to know where you did your research on FDR. Why not post a link to any of the information you cite? What would you have done in FDR’s place?
As far as I can tell, America was doing much better after eight years with FDR, and the Navy was rebuilt after Pearl Harbor to be the strongest in the world. Stalin made it possible to stop the Germans – FDR wasn’t dumb enough to take him on with force.
In the meantime, I notice you still have nothing to say for Bush.
Peace.
DS
Mr David
The info is in any history book centered about economics. Also a number of economists (admittedly from the free market über alles school, notice that economy is not an exact science) assert that it was precisely and Roosevelt’s and Hoovert’s interventionist policies who made a depression from a recession, that economy was already on a recovery path by 1930 when first anti-recession measures, notably protectionist measures everywhere (not only in the US) made it into a big depression. And Roosevelt followed basically the same basic policies. Look in Thomas Solwell page for a discussion (that BTW I find not entirely convincing). If you can’t find it tell me and I will dig further.
About the US Navy, of course that it became the more powerful in world. But I reiterate that my problem is its strength in 1941. Roosevelt was right in wanting to stop Germany in Japan but he should have prepared for it. And the fact is that America entered war with:
Lexington
Saratoga
Enterprise
Hornet
Wasp
That makes five carriers. Langley, Ranger and Long Island were unusable for combat and were to be used as plane transports or for training.
The Japanses had
Akagi
Kaga
Soryu
Hiryu
Shokaku
Zuikako
that makes six large carriers plus a number of smaller carriers who added the equivalent of two or three large carriers to IJN’s carrier strength. And the IJN didn’t need to divide her attention between Pacific and Atlantic. Also the Buffalo fighter was no match for the Zero (neither was the Wildcat until the Thatch Weave tactic used first time at Midway, by a single American unit). and the Devastator torpedo bomber was flying crap. Finally the Japanese had best torpedoes in the world and the Americans the worst ones (slower, much shorter range, easier to spot, and 95% of times they didnt explode: in the period between Pearl Harbor and Midway, wit the US Navy on the ropes, American submariners had several occasions to sink or damage a Japanese carrier or battleship. But they didn’t explode.
So fewer carriers, worse planes, untested ordnance (smells of budget cuts) and you set your diplomacy to force Japan to war?
About saying something for Bush: my daughters are alive. 9/12 I wouldn’t have believed they would be eight years later. Also 9/11 was prepared under Clinton and wouldn’t have happened if Clinton had not thrown into the paper basket Sudan’s offer to handle him bin Laden. Too busy getting BJs in the Oval Office I suppose.
“wouldn’t have happened if Clinton had not thrown into the paper basket Sudan’s offer to handle him bin Laden.”
Completely false. And you know it.
You are nothing but a right wing hack.
911 happened on George Bush’s watch. After he ignored the warnings and went on vacation.
Funny thing what Bush did to the Republican party, huh? Sad thing what he did to our country.
Completely right and you know it. Plus 9/11 was prepared under Clinton and if bin Laden believed he could get with it, it was according to his own words because Clinton”s withdrawal from Somalia had persuaded him America would withdraw afte the first soldier killed and he could get with it.
Also, Islam’s only hope is and ever was the backstaberr at home. The same one who handled victory North Vietnam and the Khmer Rouge this causing millions of deaths. The people who thought Saddam’s capture was a catastrophe, the people who invented war crimes and massacres, the people who cheered at each of America’s setbacks, at each soldier dead (who, for you are untermenschen). Islam’s hope is that your lies and calumnias would desorient the Americacn people until it would elect a Chamberlain or a Quisling. Taht is what you are you left wing hack, worthy sucessor of Pöl Pot Fonda.
JFM,
Thank God the likes of you and your party were voted out of office and now have little if any influence.
Get yourself some help. You are delusional.
jharp…… Mr. G is far from delusional. Nick G is completely accurate. Read some will you? Do some (REAL)research and stop reading the NY Times. You have no clue if you think what Mr. Guariglia wrote is wrong or inaccurate. He is dead on in 100% of his facts. (ALL CHECKED BY THE WAY)It is possible that you are one of the masses. I have always said that “the masses are a.ses” and I guess your infantile statement proves me right. It is in fact delusional to believe the MSM like NY Times and MSNBC and think that what they are feeding you is the truth. Read the real information like Mr. Guariglia has privy to and then maybe you will get over your BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome). Let us see what happens with Obama at the helm in the next year or two. Oh I see it all going down already. Amazing that people have been so duped.
Robert,
Link please.
I am an educated man. Don’t read the New York Times. And don’t have much trouble discerning the truth form fiction. That Clinton was offered bin Laden is ridiculous. And it is only the uneducated knuckledragging GOP troglodytes who still try to sell that one.
It is you who has no clue. Witness the condition of our country now.
Please. Share with me again how George Bush left the Republican party in such good condition.
jahrp… I totally assure you that I am seeing the condition of our country. Much of what is presently going on (and it is appaling) is due to a democratic congress and guys like Franks and Dodd who were warned of this upcoming economic crisis years ago but chose to do nothing but keep on drinking at the trough and pushing for subprime loans. I realize however that that is an argument for another forum. (If you are unsure how the mess really started I can provide more links) As far as the GOP is concerned, I do agree that it is now in total disarray but that is mainly because of Bush’s lack of communication and what he has allowed the media to do to not only him but the party. I never defended Bush’s ability to communicate or defend himself. He obviously was NOT Ronald Reagan. Now please…I can not believe that you, as educated as you apparently are or say you are, are unaware that Clinton was indeed offered Bin Laden. I at first thought you were teasing when you said that but then by the tenure of your words I realized you were actually being serious. jharp, maybe I can teach an educated man something?? This is history…not fiction. Ridiculous? Google it. It is easy. I don’t need to send a smart man like you any links do I? Well… maybe I do. Maybe I should help you out here judging by your response above. I am sure I could get my troglodyte knuckles off the floor now and find some links for you to take a look at.
Oh look. I just googled Bin Laden Clinton and there are 21,700,000 links that came up. Amazing. Now, as I look at them I see that many of them are extremely reputable sites including many “liberal democratic” news sites. Knuckledraggers? I’m going to help you out jahrp and at the end of this comment give you just 4 links for you to peruse. one more thing that puzzles me. I really do wonder however why you don’t read the NY Times. Interesting for an educated man especially a liberal thinking fella like yourself. I am a conservative and still read the NY Times (as bias and far left as it is) because I am open minded and like to see both sides of all the issues we face as a country. I must admit that I read it mostly on line because I don’t like paying for editorial lies, but still…I do read it. Do the liberals do that? I have often felt that it would be extremely interesting to have all people take a geopolitical, foreign policy and domestic affairs test before being able to vote. I could guarantee the GOP knuckledragging troglodytes would well outscore most of you “educated” libs.
Here’s the links.
http://clintoncrimes.tripod.com/ClintonsBinLadenGateMotherofallScandals/id4.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/535793/posts
http://www.nationalreview.com/interrogatory/interrogatory091103b.asp
http://www.roanoke.com/roatimes/news/story123493.html
I didn’t want to spend all night clicking links jharp. You can take a look at the other 21,699,998 when you have a few months to kill. These were just 4 out of over 21 million that show that Clinton messed up. If he hadn’t, do you think it is possible that 9/11 wouldn’t have even happened?
Oh and by the way, just in case you are wondering..I checked most of Guariglia’s claims concerning all that he said in both part 1 and part 2 of this article. Guess what jharp… he is dead on right. You have no argument except a possible unexplained dislike for Bush. Facts are facts. History can’t be changed and someday I hope that when the Bush administration is finally vindicated, “educated” people like you claim to be will be able to humble yourselves enough to finally admit that most of your ire was way way over the top and founded on an extremely slanted media. Robert AKA “Righty”
jharp
An educated man?
Ah yes. Reminds me in Rabelais “Pantagruel” the distinction between a well-made head and a well-filled one. Specially when it is filled with the crap who passes as an education in liberal circles like gender studies, Ward Churchill’s mental diarrhea and similar soft science.
While we are at it, the strong does not harp on his education. That is for weaklings.
jhapr…2 things you are right about back in post 65. 1 – that 50 years will more than vindicate GWB. Wish we could fast foward to see if it was correct to get rid of Saddam and help spread democracy. 2 – I also agree that it is incredibly sad about the current mortgage crisis. Try really hard (it’s not really that hard, if you’d like some links let me know) to think about how this mortgage crisis started. Oh do you need some schoolin. Ever hear of sub prime and do you know who pushed for all them? The Dems. Now… what about all this debt that Obama is pushing. How about the Pelosi Reid team trying to push a bill that is loaded with pork and earmarks to pay off some constituants and increase some “social agendas” that have zero to do with stimulating the economy? You want to talk about spending and where we will be in 50 years? What the heck is an intelligent person like you reading anyway? I laughed out loud when I saw someone who thinks like you actually claim that conservatives are “delusional”.
Robert,
You are ridiculous. National Review? Free Republic? Clinton Crimes? You must be a dittohead as no one, no one, takes any of them seriously. They lie and anyone with any sense knows as well.
Try this official report that directly contradicts the liars.
page 3 of the 911 commission report
http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/staff_statement_5.pdf
“that is mainly because of Bush’s lack of communication”
Try that one at the office.
Yeah right. All of the problems are because Bush was a poor communicator. And even if that was the case, which it’s not, what difference does it make?
Ok, according to the document Sudan did not propose to extrade Bin Laden. However the document does not precisely show a vigorous commitment from the Clinton administration in getting him/learning abolut his future plans.
Note also that at one point the Clinton administration questioned about asking the extradition but then they tell “hpw we would indict him?” and at anothr point they fail to even ask his extradition telling “Sudan will not extradite him” and don’t even try. Too much paperwork? Fear of getting a headache thinbking about how to pressure Sudan? Fear of straining a finger while typing the demand?
Bush was great for the sign industry;he had a sign on his butt saying: “Kick me, slap me,I’m a bitch and I don’t fight back!”Problem was the minute he put it on, it would get knocked off so quicly you couldn’t see it!
Stop labeling yourself a liberal or conservative! Think for yourself. You got to look at the facts plainly, without Rush or liberal slants. Bush was horrible plain and simple. Beyond the fact that let his politics get in the way of what was best for the country, he was so damn proud and stubborn. I mean, the best person realizes mistakes and takes accountability for them. We were in a budget surplus before he bankrupted the country. Hiring guys like Rumsfeld and Cheney is almost criminal. Judge your leaders by their actions and results. Obama has only been on the job a couple of months and the conservative base is praying for him and the country to fail. That’s not what I’ve liked about the Republican view in the past. I want my President to be that…Presidential. He needs to be able to influence…and it’s so obvious that Bush wasn’t respected at home or abroad. If you look at Bush’s life, you’ll see he’s bankrupted every company he’s ever run. Texas Rangers..check…oil company…check. Sad…really.