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How American Muslims Radicalize

Mosques become a state within a state, except for the welfare assistance.

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Karen Lugo

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May 2, 2013 - 12:00 am
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It is a safe bet that the ISB mosque founders did not disclose to redevelopment planners the intent to establish a hotbed of extremism when they negotiated a government grant of the land at more than a 50% discount to recorded value (Saudi sponsors donated at least $1 million to the project). Yet by 2010 this extraordinary generosity was completely forgotten when an ungrateful ISB and political relations sponsor, the Muslim American Society, presented Governor Deval Patrick with a manifesto declaring that Muslims are a “victimized and besieged minority.” As the governor assented to the seven-point statement he also accepted $50,000 seed money for select law enforcement Islamic sensitivity training.

The isolation and alienation of the Muslim community is by design. Muslim mosque-goers are often ambivalent as to the outcome of the culture clash, and they certainly share responsibility for the outcome. However, there isn’t time to wait for them to overcome clerical, familial, tribal, and other coercive controls.

Local governments have also played a disappointing role. Planning and advisory bodies are stymied by religious land use law constraints and concerns about Department of Justice intervention on behalf of Muslim groups. Yet rather than use the conditional use permit process to introduce the mosque-building plan to the community in phases while assessing the conformity of the actual use to promises made during the application phase, some local officials instead have rolled out the red carpet by assenting to variances and exceptions that are not offered to other religious organizations.

Also, it is important that everyday citizens step into the role of radicalization monitors. Mosque-building permit and expansion hearings are an opportunity to calmly and factually cite the cases where Islamic clerics have promised to bring positive diversity and social support to the community but have instead delivered conflict, hostility, and an apartheid-like existence for the mosque-goers.

It is not unreasonable for residents to notify mosque organizers during permit hearings that the community will hold Islamic leadership accountable to the pledges of good citizenship. Imams will often agree at such hearings to the idea of opening the mosque for public relations purposes. Community leaders should agree and schedule dates. This is a good time to evaluate speakers hosted by the mosque and to discuss literature available for distribution. Local pastors also have an interest in knowing mosque leadership’s position on the Islamist persecution of Christians and Jews worldwide. This is not a time for platitudes, but for direct repudiation of conduct that conflicts with both constitutional standards and American ideals.

As former Prime Minister Tony Blair said in a recent interview, we battle a toxic cocktail of religion, politics, ethnicity, and tribalism. We cannot afford to be squeamish about declaring that our communities are no-go zones for fomenting explosive radicalism.

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Karen Lugo is Co-director for the Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence.

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So, we have to learn how to live with having our public places under constant threat of being blown up? We have to accept that if we want to go our in public as women, that we must cover up our hair with scarves or face being treated as prostitutes by muslim men? We must accept that if someone says or does something that could even remotely be construed as critical of Islam in any way, shape or form that person must henceforth hire armed guards and face being chased out of their own non-muslim neighborhoods buy their non-muslim neighbors because those people fear for their own safety?

All of those things are daily realities in European countries who have accepted the things you list. Is that really how you want to live?
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How about we stop letting people from muslim countries in for any reason. Student, tourist, immigrant, whatever, no one from a muslim country unless they are wearing a crucifix and eating a bag of pork rinds.
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I posted this in McCarthy's article but it applies here too.

Dar-al-Islam IS at war with Dar-al-Harb. When are McCarthy and other conservative writers, politicians, etc. going to wise up and stop being part of the problem? The Turkish priminister spelled it out for you when he said "There is no moderate Islam, there is no radical Islam, there is only Islam."

Islamic doctine is to conquer the world, force others to convert, and enslave the "People of the Book" who are unwilling to convert. If you want an example of what that means look at the Coptic Christians in Egypt.

That "nice Muslim family" down the street is probably not plotting to harm you and your kids, this is true, however they are probably giving money to the mosque which then sends it on to terrorist organizations. There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. Not by our difinition nor by theirs, it is a myth and a useful deception for Islam. A true "moderate" Muslim would be like a C & E Catholic, however this person would be considered an apostate by other Muslims and be under a death sentance.

We need more people educated about Islam, to understand that the peaceful stuff in the beginning of the Koran is superceeded by the later passages. That Mohammed is the "Perfect Muslim" and what the exact example he set is. People also need to understand the concept of Taqiyya and how it relates to organizations like CAIR. We also need to understand what dhimmitude is and how this relates to our political leadership who are cozy with Muslim organizations.

We need to wake up and start acting like we are at war, because admit it or not we are, and at this point it looks like we're losing.
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So here's my question: I can certainly understand why muslim women would want to come to the west, in hopes of a better, more equal life.
But why do the men bother to come, if they plan to remain within the confines of their stone-aged society? I don't get it. They're taking a huge risk in exposing their women to liberty. They ought to stay put.
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Yeah, LBJ, what circle of hell are you in again? On yeah, the 9th - where "those who betray a scared trust" go.

Thanks again for giving away the nation to the dross of the 3rd world...
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No!we aren't being delusional&don't plan on blaming anybody .At the same time weve got an administration who won't say;Its my fault&change the way things get done..Obama is so chidish when things don't go as he wants everything .How'd he get through life in years past,if not taking responsibility for any mistakes?LIz
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Whether the Boston Bombers attended the mosque or not is a moot point.
We citizens of the United States have a Constitution and all of our society is based on this document along with our Declaration of Independence.
These Muslims are now in our country to the tune of some 7 million plus and they have brought their Shariah Laws with them and they are refusing to follow our Constitution even though they claim to be Citizens in order to get all of the benifits of our Civilized Republic before they turn into terrorists and wreak havoc on us.
Am I wrong or delusional? Are we complete fools to allow these barbaric backward Islamic Jihadists to immigrate to our wonderful country so they can one day rise up against us as dictated by their Koran and murder each and everyone of us? For this is exactly what is written in the Koran and dictated by Shariah Law. Read it for yourself, the Muslim does not need to be radicalized, their Koran and Shariah is Radical from its roots and all they have to do is obey the basic precepts of the ideology and they are a Radical in Jihad Mode.
All of Europe has went down this road and every country in Europe is fighting the Muslim Islamic ideology on a daily basis with riots in the streets, no go zones and huge welfare problems with the non working Muslims.
Is this what we really want in our future, because this is exactly what we are going to get.
Is it time to throw in the towel and give up on this experimnet in social mixing before we get into the same mess that Europe is in?
Is it time to revoke some citizenship and send them all back where they came from?
I think we all know that the answer is Yes, this immigration model is a farce on its face and we must take back our country before the Muslim population becomes more than we can control... Obama will not be happy, but he can always immigrate to the Middle East to listen to the call to prayer.
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"Read it for yourself, the Muslim does not need to be radicalized, their Koran and Shariah is Radical from its roots."

For some reason liberals prefer not to "read it for themselves". I guess so they can continue to claim that all religions are the same. By refusing to read the Koran they give it the same stature as they give the Bible which they also refuse to read.


ALL Islam is radical. Only someone who wants to ignore the facts, someone who is hopelessly delusional or a complete moron could not see this about Islam. Islam is sharia; sharia is Islam. It is and always be incompatible with the U.S. constitution.

It really, REALLY is that simple and plain for any one to see.

It rea
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"....refusing to follow our Constitution..."

I thinks theres plenty of natural born citizens who don't follow our constitution and follow all our statutory laws. Heck, most immigrant citizens know more about and respect our constitution than the averagre natural born citizen.
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Zekje, are you serious? Always moral equivalence.
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It's simply called failure. One can't escape it, but one can be taught to blame.
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If you want to live as a dhimmi (submissive slave) under Islam, then do nothing about the invasion of muslims into our country. Their goal is to dominate our country, throw out constitutional law and our way of life and rule as kings. This is their plan for the rest of the world, by the way. If they can control America, then the rest of the world is an easy target. The solution is to rid our country of these vermin.
1 year ago
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"...throw out constitutional law and our way of life and rule as kings."

And they're getting a lot of help from domestic 'american' political activists movements in this very regard.
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"Whether the Tsarnaev brothers attended to the degree that the mosque was a key part of their radicalization is unknown, but it could not have been a mitigating influence in their conversion to terrorism."

We have a toxic sludge of poisonous Islam mixed with the western Left that hates western (e.g. Enlightenment) culture. We don't know how much the marathon bombing brothers were influenced by imams, but I'm sure they were much more receptive to that anti-American rhetoric when the whole town of Boston is filled with anti-American spewing professors (Noam Chomsky is at MIT) and politicians (Barney Frank and Elizabeth Warren.)

They were as much influenced by intolerant, bigoted Progressives as they were by Islam.
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It is 48 years after 1965 and Mosques are now a permanent part of the American (actually, North-American) landscape. American demography is shifting very quickly now, and at the federal level the Left will prevail for the forseeable future.

This means that Americans will have to learn how to live with Mosques and Islam in peace, as much as they will have to accept the reality of the new demography -- as they elected baby-boomer politicians in the past who implemented policies that caused this changed demography and cultural milieu.

So perhaps the way forward is the accept that parts of the landscape will be different -- it will be a Mosque, or a region where westernized shariah law is used officially in some legal cases, or where polygamy and other diverse cultural practices are in use.

This is the new America, created by the baby boomers and their love for diversity. It cannot be reversed, and so the best will have to be made about what it still has to offer.
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In our more modern times, until the 90s there wasn't any significant problems with Isalm in the Western world. Actions vs. reactions! Nobody cares what happend and why, to effect a change. Nobody in our superior intellegent society of today, cares that if you don't understand the cause of a problem, justifiable or not, you can't address the problem and fix it appropriately.
1 year ago
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That mindset is mirrored in the statement in the article that German law enforcement authorities "complain" about sharia replacing German law. How about they stop complaining and tell the Muslims to get the hell out of the country if they don't want to abide by the law of the land.
James Burnham in his book "Suicide of the West" feared the west surrendering to communism. He just got the enemy wrong.
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I understand what you are trying to say, but that is neither here nor there. Large numbers of (brown) Muslims in (formerly) white countries is now a fact of life. In Britain, one third of babies are now "of foreign descent".

There are consequences to this demographic inversion ... Muslim and other minority Americans are going to participate in politics, and their numbers mean that politicians will listen up. There is nothing that can be done about it. If there are eventually a million people (through immigration and conversions) who are of the Muslim faith in a Western city (say London), and they want shariah in the courts and prayers in schools, then that is what they will get. Who will deny them that?

After the massive immigration over the last 50 years, organised by Western politicians, there is a new social reality. It cannot be wished away. It is permanent, and "integration" is going to be slow -- Europe could not integrate the Roma in a 1000 years, Americans could not integrate blacks in 200 years.

That means the integration of the large numbers of minorities arriving will be very very slow. There are also many more potential migrants where they come from and they will also migrate to the West in large numbers. It cannot be stopped because their are so many voters who wants them to come and because the diversity meme is strongly ingrained in the minds and politics of Westerners.

So my point remains -- there is a New America (and West). It is not white anymore, it is not Christian anymore (even in the Bible belt most people are at best formerly Christian, in Europe almost no-one is a Christian). These social and demographic outcomes were a choice by white Christians themselves. They explicitly voted for large scale immigration, and for a draconian implementation of separation of church and state.

So the result is a rising Muslim demography in a declining (formerly) Christian West, and it is not hard to see what the result will be in 20 years. It is too late to turn this boat around.

So that is the reality you will have to live with, and you have no choice about it. You can go and yell at Teddy Kennedy in his grave, but that will not change anything. So like other peoples who found themselves in a demographic inversion (Christians in Egypt, Rhodesians, whites in South Africa, etc), you will have to learn to create your own living spaces, to cede power and to live away from it, never imposing yourself, working only for your own preservation and living never to offend the sensibilities of the New America.

America as a cultural and political extension of Europe exists no more.
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Why do you bring up 'color'? That is not the issue here. It's stone-age islamic culture vs. Western liberty at stake. Nobody cares about their race except the leftists, and then only as a tool to divide and conquer.
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How much are you paid to be a treasonous surrender monkey?
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So, we have to learn how to live with having our public places under constant threat of being blown up? We have to accept that if we want to go our in public as women, that we must cover up our hair with scarves or face being treated as prostitutes by muslim men? We must accept that if someone says or does something that could even remotely be construed as critical of Islam in any way, shape or form that person must henceforth hire armed guards and face being chased out of their own non-muslim neighborhoods buy their non-muslim neighbors because those people fear for their own safety?

All of those things are daily realities in European countries who have accepted the things you list. Is that really how you want to live?
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You have a cute cat, if he is the one in the picture.

Sorry, I did not mean that. People will have to create their own living spaces, and if you want to lounge around in a bikini, then perhaps you will not be able to do it with impunity anymore -- there was anyway a time, before the baby-booming sex revolution, when bikini's were scandalous. We just forgot about that.

Bit to get back to the point. I was only pointing out that the change in demography (that includes the death of Christianity and the appearance of Mosques etc in N-America) is permanent. It cannot be reversed. One may blame Ted Kennedy for the 1965 immigration bill etc, but that will not reverse the present.

So the obvious (logical) conclusion is that this is the new reality -- the New America, if you wish. This is where you have to live, and you might as well make the best of it, given the new set of constraints (many of which you mention).

No-one can turn that around, and the changing demography will even cause more of this, as politicians adopts positions and policies to gather votes in the rising demography. It is impossibly to stop immigration from "non-traditional sources" because there are so many voters from those sources. (Actually, these non-traditional sources ARE now the traditional sources).

This may not be how you want to live, but this is how you are going to live. Other peoples, eg Rhodesians, were forced to accept change far more drastic than this BY WESTERN POLICIANS, and they had no choice but to accept the outcome. This is more or less what will be happening as time marches on.
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" ... there was anyway a time, before the baby-booming sex revolution, when bikini's were scandalous. We just forgot about that."

The "bikini" was introduced in the early '50s when the oldest "baby boomers were just starting grade school. Obviously, sex had been discovered before the boomers came along or there wouldn't have been a baby boom, but the pill, which led to the so-called sexual revolution was invented in the mid-fifties when the oldest boomers were also still in grade school. The immigration changes in '65 came under LBJ and the only boomers who could possibly have voted for him were those in KY and GA, the only states with the 18 year-old vote in '64. Likewise, Ted Kennedy was the architect of the immigration changes under Reagan, but he wasn't a Boomer either. There's plenty to blame us for, personal computers, cellphones, most modern communication, the longest period of prosperity in human history, but letting in the Muslims and their mosques is on "the greatest generation."
1 year ago
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Enjoy your Euclidean logic while you can, take comfort
in your belief in the absolute, irreversible power of Law;
"Silent enim leges inter arma." - Cicero
1 year ago
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Christianity isn't dying - it's under attack. Bring it!
1 year ago
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Really, with 80% of people professing to be Christians and a miniscule percent of Muslims it really is a flawed argument.
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The hell it can't.
1 year ago
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How about we stop letting people from muslim countries in for any reason. Student, tourist, immigrant, whatever, no one from a muslim country unless they are wearing a crucifix and eating a bag of pork rinds.
1 year ago
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I posted this in McCarthy's article but it applies here too.

Dar-al-Islam IS at war with Dar-al-Harb. When are McCarthy and other conservative writers, politicians, etc. going to wise up and stop being part of the problem? The Turkish priminister spelled it out for you when he said "There is no moderate Islam, there is no radical Islam, there is only Islam."

Islamic doctine is to conquer the world, force others to convert, and enslave the "People of the Book" who are unwilling to convert. If you want an example of what that means look at the Coptic Christians in Egypt.

That "nice Muslim family" down the street is probably not plotting to harm you and your kids, this is true, however they are probably giving money to the mosque which then sends it on to terrorist organizations. There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. Not by our difinition nor by theirs, it is a myth and a useful deception for Islam. A true "moderate" Muslim would be like a C & E Catholic, however this person would be considered an apostate by other Muslims and be under a death sentance.

We need more people educated about Islam, to understand that the peaceful stuff in the beginning of the Koran is superceeded by the later passages. That Mohammed is the "Perfect Muslim" and what the exact example he set is. People also need to understand the concept of Taqiyya and how it relates to organizations like CAIR. We also need to understand what dhimmitude is and how this relates to our political leadership who are cozy with Muslim organizations.

We need to wake up and start acting like we are at war, because admit it or not we are, and at this point it looks like we're losing.
1 year ago
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Well said. I would also point to Sura 4:34, the one that sanctions "wife spanking/beating". Ask a pious Muslim to refute it and they won't...they can't. It's part of Sharia and of the ancient tribal culture from which Islam was born. Have a lefty feminist present when you ask the question though - watching both contort themselves to explain how this passage squares with women's rights is interesting.
1 year ago
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The government ought to ban immigration from the 'Stans, the Arabian peninsula, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Jordan,Pakistan, Egypt, Libya,Somalia, Sudan and any other Muslim s**thole on earth. Step two, start sending current immigrants from those places back.
1 year ago
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trangbang,
You have the correct solution, no more Muslims, no more immigrants from islamic countries, and start deporting.
When the population of Islam reaches 5% we will be in Civilization Jihad and then we will see how we like a steady diet of terror on all fronts...
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Which is a shame, because right now the west still has the strength to kick muslim behind. We just don't have the will.
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That's because we're "civilized" now. We don't destroy our enemies like Rome did to Carthage. In all honesty though there is no good solution avaliable to a moral individual or people. Everything I've come up with has its own flaws, morally, logistically, and/or practically.

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Like Rome destroyed Israel in 70AD. Which gave rise to the civilizing of Arabi by the excaping Jews and Christians over the next 500 years before Mohammad.
History always gives us the answers.... We just have to read..
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