Comments on: Honoring Abstinence vs. Honor Killings http://pjmedia.com/blog/honoring-abstinence-vs-honor-killings/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:33:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: The Scott http://pjmedia.com/blog/honoring-abstinence-vs-honor-killings/#comment-192445 The Scott Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:27:07 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/honoring-abstinence-vs-honor-killings/#comment-192445 Challenging youth to wait until they are an adult is one thing. Scaring the heck out of them, and telling them a condom is a provision for sin is irresponsible. Did you know the Lovers in the Song of Solomon have sex in Chapter 2, but don't get married until Chapter 3? The kind of ignorance Church leaders have about this sort of in-your-face premarital sex in the Bible has gone on too long. If you want to know more, go to my website. It's cheaper than a Purity Ring and a lot more fun than abstinence. -The Scott Challenging youth to wait until they are an adult is one thing. Scaring the heck out of them, and telling them a condom is a provision for sin is irresponsible. Did you know the Lovers in the Song of Solomon have sex in Chapter 2, but don’t get married until Chapter 3? The kind of ignorance Church leaders have about this sort of in-your-face premarital sex in the Bible has gone on too long. If you want to know more, go to my website. It’s cheaper than a Purity Ring and a lot more fun than abstinence.

-The Scott

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]]> By: trangbang68 http://pjmedia.com/blog/honoring-abstinence-vs-honor-killings/#comment-92576 trangbang68 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:08:52 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/honoring-abstinence-vs-honor-killings/#comment-92576 Mary Jackson and the dimwit Warner are typical ideologues. Daughters and sons aren't integral parts of families that love them and want the best for them in the future. Instead they are part of the almighty State and objects of social engineering and morally bankrupt philosophies that have poisoned the well of Western Civilization since degenerates like Kinsey and Margaret Sanger crawled out of the gutter long e nough to get an audience. Somebody mentioned it already but its interesting that Jackson wants to vomit and Warner is creeped out ,etc. because they see the daughter's relationship with her father in anatomical and salacious terms. That's the inner skank speaking Mary. We love our daughters and don't want them rutting with some little Lothario. I remember a number of years ago speaking out against a totally inappropriate sex-ed cirriculum in Tucson. The opponents of the classes were almost unanimously parents. The proponents were homosexual activists, deluded sociologists and probably a few pedophiles thrown in for good measure. Mary, a theologian you're not (probably why the Muslims are taking over dear old England) Jesus' teachings about public displays of moralizing didn't refer to fathers' advocating chastity for their daughters. It more referred to nauseating self righteous clowns like yourself. I wonder how many of those manly blokes are down at the pub getting toasted while their daughters are out running the streets getting shagged by the riffraff. Real men stand for virtue and integrity. Any fool can be led around by ...well you know. Mary Jackson and the dimwit Warner are typical ideologues. Daughters and sons aren’t integral parts of families that love them and want the best for them in the future. Instead they are part of the almighty State and objects of social engineering and morally bankrupt philosophies that have poisoned the well of Western Civilization since degenerates like Kinsey and Margaret Sanger crawled out of the gutter long e nough to get an audience.
Somebody mentioned it already but its interesting that Jackson wants to vomit and Warner is creeped out ,etc. because they see the daughter’s relationship with her father in anatomical and salacious terms. That’s the inner skank speaking Mary. We love our daughters and don’t want them rutting with some little Lothario.
I remember a number of years ago speaking out against a totally inappropriate sex-ed cirriculum in Tucson. The opponents of the classes were almost unanimously parents. The proponents were homosexual activists, deluded sociologists and probably a few pedophiles thrown in for good measure.
Mary, a theologian you’re not (probably why the Muslims are taking over dear old England) Jesus’ teachings about public displays of moralizing didn’t refer to fathers’ advocating chastity for their daughters. It more referred to nauseating self righteous clowns like yourself.
I wonder how many of those manly blokes are down at the pub getting toasted while their daughters are out running the streets getting shagged by the riffraff. Real men stand for virtue and integrity. Any fool can be led around by …well you know.

]]> By: Lisa http://pjmedia.com/blog/honoring-abstinence-vs-honor-killings/#comment-63606 Lisa Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:11:24 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/honoring-abstinence-vs-honor-killings/#comment-63606 It is without a question the responsibility of any parent to protect his or her children and that should include the imposition of restrictions.. especially with regards to something like immature sexual activity which has such steep consequences. I do agree with posters that unfortunately the virginity of young males is not valued while the virginity of young females is excessively valued. A girl does not become 'unpure' because she has had sex; frankly, I find that term disturbing. And yes, I find the bizarre public ritual of a father 'covering' his daughter with his protection (wasn't covering used as a euphemism for sex at one point?) creepy and disturbing as if his love for his daughter is solely dependent upon her 'purity'. There are many many better ways of keeping a child from doing something which can have lifelong consequences. While it is a damn shame that some Christians and some Muslims feel that their daughters only worth is in their 'purity', I cannot think of a single Christian girl killed for losing her virginity. It is without a question the responsibility of any parent to protect his or her children and that should include the imposition of restrictions.. especially with regards to something like immature sexual activity which has such steep consequences.

I do agree with posters that unfortunately the virginity of young males is not valued while the virginity of young females is excessively valued. A girl does not become ‘unpure’ because she has had sex; frankly, I find that term disturbing. And yes, I find the bizarre public ritual of a father ‘covering’ his daughter with his protection (wasn’t covering used as a euphemism for sex at one point?) creepy and disturbing as if his love for his daughter is solely dependent upon her ‘purity’.

There are many many better ways of keeping a child from doing something which can have lifelong consequences. While it is a damn shame that some Christians and some Muslims feel that their daughters only worth is in their ‘purity’, I cannot think of a single Christian girl killed for losing her virginity.

]]> By: Ed Wallis http://pjmedia.com/blog/honoring-abstinence-vs-honor-killings/#comment-63279 Ed Wallis Sat, 21 Jun 2008 22:10:58 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/honoring-abstinence-vs-honor-killings/#comment-63279 Gee, Mary, that's a <b>snappy answer</B>...especially after offering up so many <I>one-dimensionally ideological repsonses</I> here. YOUR THINKING is what is "unisex toilet feminist" oriented...try re-reading my post, fool. Gee, Mary, that’s a snappy answer…especially after offering up so many one-dimensionally ideological repsonses here. YOUR THINKING is what is “unisex toilet feminist” oriented…try re-reading my post, fool.

]]> By: Darin http://pjmedia.com/blog/honoring-abstinence-vs-honor-killings/#comment-62711 Darin Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:01:17 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/honoring-abstinence-vs-honor-killings/#comment-62711 I think Judith Warner needs to find something better to do with her time than compare this with that. We all know that there is not one right way to raise children. Thankfully, there are many right ways. I think Judith Warner needs to find something better to do with her time than compare this with that. We all know that there is not one right way to raise children. Thankfully, there are many right ways.

]]> By: Mary Jackson http://pjmedia.com/blog/honoring-abstinence-vs-honor-killings/#comment-62619 Mary Jackson Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:45:23 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/honoring-abstinence-vs-honor-killings/#comment-62619 "Unisex toilet?" No way. Men would mess it up. “Unisex toilet?” No way. Men would mess it up.

]]> By: Mary Jackson http://pjmedia.com/blog/honoring-abstinence-vs-honor-killings/#comment-62618 Mary Jackson Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:44:00 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/honoring-abstinence-vs-honor-killings/#comment-62618 Actually the point of the article, which I admit I've strayed from somewhat, was about false equivalence. Fritzl is a psychopath, so any comparison with over-protective Christian fathers is way out of line. A closer comparison of Fritzl might be with honour killings and Muslim treatment of women. If a Muslim girl loses her virginity, even if it is through rape, she is often killed. In fact she can be killed even for talking to a man. And it is not psychopaths that do this but "normal" Muslims, insofar as anyone brainwashed into believing in Islam is normal. Judith Warner attacks Christianity rather than Islam because it is an easier target, and Christians will not respond with violence. Father-Daughter Purity Balls are absolutely not in the same league as honour killings and Fritzl-type behaviour. But I think they are weird, creepy, and demonstrate a very un-Christian smugness and ostentation. They are also evidence of a double standard, which is not part of Christianity itself, but is a common failing. Actually the point of the article, which I admit I’ve strayed from somewhat, was about false equivalence. Fritzl is a psychopath, so any comparison with over-protective Christian fathers is way out of line. A closer comparison of Fritzl might be with honour killings and Muslim treatment of women. If a Muslim girl loses her virginity, even if it is through rape, she is often killed. In fact she can be killed even for talking to a man. And it is not psychopaths that do this but “normal” Muslims, insofar as anyone brainwashed into believing in Islam is normal.

Judith Warner attacks Christianity rather than Islam because it is an easier target, and Christians will not respond with violence.

Father-Daughter Purity Balls are absolutely not in the same league as honour killings and Fritzl-type behaviour. But I think they are weird, creepy, and demonstrate a very un-Christian smugness and ostentation. They are also evidence of a double standard, which is not part of Christianity itself, but is a common failing.

]]> By: Ed Wallis http://pjmedia.com/blog/honoring-abstinence-vs-honor-killings/#comment-62614 Ed Wallis Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:29:01 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/honoring-abstinence-vs-honor-killings/#comment-62614 "NB," good points, but you're trying incorrectly to use reason with "Mad Saint Mary of Eternal Sanctimony." She is the one-dimensional, 1970's, UNISEX TOILET feminist thinker. “NB,” good points, but you’re trying incorrectly to use reason with “Mad Saint Mary of Eternal Sanctimony.”

She is the one-dimensional, 1970′s, UNISEX TOILET feminist thinker.

]]> By: NB http://pjmedia.com/blog/honoring-abstinence-vs-honor-killings/#comment-62601 NB Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:19:06 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/honoring-abstinence-vs-honor-killings/#comment-62601 Mary, As has been pointed out numerous times by other comments, you're assuming what works for girls will work for boys. Where are the purity balls for sons? How 'bout groups of Christian fathers and sons on camping trips discussing these issues. How 'bout the wave of literature and church programs denouncing "dating" as it stands today and promoting courtship. How 'bout all the single men's groups that gather in churches all over the country. How 'bout father son retreats. The idea of a "ball" is a uniquely feminine activity that simply wouldn't work for young men. Let's not forget, this article was about fathers and daughters, not fathers and sons or mothers and sons or, in point of fact, mothers and daughters. By your logic I might very well ask you, why aren't mothers showing an interest in the well-being and emotional and sexual development of their daughters, but I know they are, this article is simply not about that. Mary,

As has been pointed out numerous times by other comments, you’re assuming what works for girls will work for boys. Where are the purity balls for sons? How ’bout groups of Christian fathers and sons on camping trips discussing these issues. How ’bout the wave of literature and church programs denouncing “dating” as it stands today and promoting courtship. How ’bout all the single men’s groups that gather in churches all over the country. How ’bout father son retreats. The idea of a “ball” is a uniquely feminine activity that simply wouldn’t work for young men.

Let’s not forget, this article was about fathers and daughters, not fathers and sons or mothers and sons or, in point of fact, mothers and daughters. By your logic I might very well ask you, why aren’t mothers showing an interest in the well-being and emotional and sexual development of their daughters, but I know they are, this article is simply not about that.

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