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		<title>By: TSA&#8217;s &#8216;Insult The Messenger&#8217; Approach Backfires &#187; The Aviation Nation</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/homeland-security-meets-the-sopranos/#comment-94152</link>
		<dc:creator>TSA&#8217;s &#8216;Insult The Messenger&#8217; Approach Backfires &#187; The Aviation Nation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] had Assistant Secretary for Policy at DHS, Stewart Baker, write a lengthy denial (in response to an earlier piece I wrote) saying that Drew Griffin was just plain paranoid:  &quot;So why does Griffin think [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] had Assistant Secretary for Policy at DHS, Stewart Baker, write a lengthy denial (in response to an earlier piece I wrote) saying that Drew Griffin was just plain paranoid:  &quot;So why does Griffin think [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pajamas Media » Setting the Record Straight On Terror Watch Lists</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pajamas Media » Setting the Record Straight On Terror Watch Lists</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 07:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a government agency really punish a reporter by watch-listing him, as recently claimed?   August 6, 2008 - by Stewart [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a government agency really punish a reporter by watch-listing him, as recently claimed?   August 6, 2008 &#8211; by Stewart [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Annie Jacobsen</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/homeland-security-meets-the-sopranos/#comment-84135</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie Jacobsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, the airlines can not put individuals on the watch list. Only federal agencies can. Getting angry at the airlines over the DHS mess is silly. 

Helen of Troy writes &quot;the [watch list] list is reviewed and scrubbed daily.&quot; 

Not only is this wrong, it is hilarious! It took a recent Act of Congress to get Nelson Mandela off the watch list.

&quot;WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former South African President Nelson Mandela is to be removed from a U.S. terrorism watch list under a bill President Bush signed Tuesday. Mandela and other members of the African National Congress have been on the list because of their fight against South Africa&#039;s apartheid regime, which gave way to majority rule in 1994.&quot; 

The Bill is H.R. 5690.

Annie Jacobsen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, the airlines can not put individuals on the watch list. Only federal agencies can. Getting angry at the airlines over the DHS mess is silly. </p>
<p>Helen of Troy writes &#8220;the [watch list] list is reviewed and scrubbed daily.&#8221; </p>
<p>Not only is this wrong, it is hilarious! It took a recent Act of Congress to get Nelson Mandela off the watch list.</p>
<p>&#8220;WASHINGTON (CNN) &#8212; Former South African President Nelson Mandela is to be removed from a U.S. terrorism watch list under a bill President Bush signed Tuesday. Mandela and other members of the African National Congress have been on the list because of their fight against South Africa&#8217;s apartheid regime, which gave way to majority rule in 1994.&#8221; </p>
<p>The Bill is H.R. 5690.</p>
<p>Annie Jacobsen</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Pelto</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/homeland-security-meets-the-sopranos/#comment-84074</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO: Aztec
RE: The Threat Is REAL

&quot;In my heart of hearts, the Department of Homeland Security is one perceived threat away from becoming BIG BROTHER. Kudos to Ms Jacobsen for single-handedly protecting our rights and Constitution.&quot; -- Aztec

Unfortunately...most people didn&#039;t begin to perceive it until the Oklahoma City Bomb. It is a curious fact that at the very same time, there was a proposed Omnibus Anti-Terrorism law put before Congress. Well...actually....it was introduced a bit ahead of the bombing.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[I believe in coincidence. I just don&#039;t trust it. -- Garrick, Cardasian Tinker/Tailor/Soldier/Spy, Star Trek: Deep Space 9]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO: Aztec<br />
RE: The Threat Is REAL</p>
<p>&#8220;In my heart of hearts, the Department of Homeland Security is one perceived threat away from becoming BIG BROTHER. Kudos to Ms Jacobsen for single-handedly protecting our rights and Constitution.&#8221; &#8212; Aztec</p>
<p>Unfortunately&#8230;most people didn&#8217;t begin to perceive it until the Oklahoma City Bomb. It is a curious fact that at the very same time, there was a proposed Omnibus Anti-Terrorism law put before Congress. Well&#8230;actually&#8230;.it was introduced a bit ahead of the bombing.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Chuck(le)<br />
[I believe in coincidence. I just don't trust it. -- Garrick, Cardasian Tinker/Tailor/Soldier/Spy, Star Trek: Deep Space 9]</p>
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		<title>By: warren trout</title>
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		<dc:creator>warren trout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an airline employee, you are not hearing 1% of the BS.  If the public really knew what was going on, heads would fly.  The TSA keeps everyone hush, hush or will arrest you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an airline employee, you are not hearing 1% of the BS.  If the public really knew what was going on, heads would fly.  The TSA keeps everyone hush, hush or will arrest you.</p>
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		<title>By: Aztec</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/homeland-security-meets-the-sopranos/#comment-83678</link>
		<dc:creator>Aztec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my heart of hearts, the Department of Homeland Security is one perceived threat away from becoming BIG BROTHER.  Kudos to Ms Jacobsen for single-handedly protecting our rights and Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my heart of hearts, the Department of Homeland Security is one perceived threat away from becoming BIG BROTHER.  Kudos to Ms Jacobsen for single-handedly protecting our rights and Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Gevalt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Gevalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK. In order: OmegaPaladin - since I don&#039;t know you (or your age, political party, or anything else) re: your comment about me being a &quot;peacenick,&quot; I guess all I can do is say if I am,  I&#039;ve earned the right to be one honestly, as a Vietnam Vet. When I returned to &quot;the world&quot; in 1968, some hippies at the SeaTac airport spat on me, calling me a &#039;baby killer.&quot; So I guess in the world of the prejudiced, I&#039;ve come full circle. Goodie for me. Huh? (Lesson - take it from a 62 year old war veteran that it&#039;s frequently a lot easier and more cost effective to impose some brains and judgement on your trigger finger than to try to stuff the bullet back down the barrel later.) If you&#039;re wrong, and you really need to shoot &#039;em, you can do it tomorrow. (Bush and Cheney never learned that one, and I&#039;m disappointed that Colin Powell was so easily compromised.) If I cared enough about educating the locals (remember, I&#039;m from Massachusetts.....my bumper sticker would simply say &quot;War is Sometimes the Answer.&quot;  So much for the peacenick.

Javelin: For your benefit, I&#039;m spending a bunch of hard earned dough to try to get TSA to behave. Contrary to your stereotype, I did vote against the Iraq war. Problem was my congressman (Ed Markey D. Massachusetts) is more interested in getting re-elected than doing what&#039;s right, and I guess my sales pitch wasn&#039;t any more convincing than it was for Javelin, so he didn&#039;t listen. But please meet at least one person who isn&#039;t inconsistent by your measure. My guess is I&#039;m not alone.

Helen of Troy:

Why don&#039;t you (and everyone else for that matter) come out from behind the bushes and identify yourself. If you know some stuff that the rest of us don&#039;t about the formation of the watchlist, we&#039;d like to interview you.

Fred Gevalt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. In order: OmegaPaladin &#8211; since I don&#8217;t know you (or your age, political party, or anything else) re: your comment about me being a &#8220;peacenick,&#8221; I guess all I can do is say if I am,  I&#8217;ve earned the right to be one honestly, as a Vietnam Vet. When I returned to &#8220;the world&#8221; in 1968, some hippies at the SeaTac airport spat on me, calling me a &#8216;baby killer.&#8221; So I guess in the world of the prejudiced, I&#8217;ve come full circle. Goodie for me. Huh? (Lesson &#8211; take it from a 62 year old war veteran that it&#8217;s frequently a lot easier and more cost effective to impose some brains and judgement on your trigger finger than to try to stuff the bullet back down the barrel later.) If you&#8217;re wrong, and you really need to shoot &#8216;em, you can do it tomorrow. (Bush and Cheney never learned that one, and I&#8217;m disappointed that Colin Powell was so easily compromised.) If I cared enough about educating the locals (remember, I&#8217;m from Massachusetts&#8230;..my bumper sticker would simply say &#8220;War is Sometimes the Answer.&#8221;  So much for the peacenick.</p>
<p>Javelin: For your benefit, I&#8217;m spending a bunch of hard earned dough to try to get TSA to behave. Contrary to your stereotype, I did vote against the Iraq war. Problem was my congressman (Ed Markey D. Massachusetts) is more interested in getting re-elected than doing what&#8217;s right, and I guess my sales pitch wasn&#8217;t any more convincing than it was for Javelin, so he didn&#8217;t listen. But please meet at least one person who isn&#8217;t inconsistent by your measure. My guess is I&#8217;m not alone.</p>
<p>Helen of Troy:</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you (and everyone else for that matter) come out from behind the bushes and identify yourself. If you know some stuff that the rest of us don&#8217;t about the formation of the watchlist, we&#8217;d like to interview you.</p>
<p>Fred Gevalt</p>
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		<title>By: Helen of Troy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen of Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the tin foil hast people were on Kos and DU&#039;ers.  Once again, CNN is more interested in getting people to tune in than the truth and you guys are buying into it.

Getting someone on a watchlist is not as easy as calling in the name of a reporter when he writes a bad story about you. An agency nominates someone who is a known threat to airplanes - a terrorist - to get on the no-fly list.  That alone doesn&#039;t get you on the list - there&#039;s a thorough review but other security agencies before it&#039;s approved, and the list is reviewed and scrubbed daily.  Drew Griffin, the CNN reporter, is not a known threat and is not on the No Fly list.  He&#039;s just like those guys on 60 Minutes whose name is misidentified with someone who&#039;s really on the list.  Odds are he knows that but likes getting his mug on tv so he keeps up his false reporting.

Drew Griffin and anyone else who is told &quot;you&#039;re on a watchlist&quot; can point their finger directly at the airlines.  Airlines do the watchlist matching right now - they have the No Fly list and match pasengers&#039; names against it. They look at similar names and determine who will get hassled because of misidentification. Airlines know that people will be furious with TSA for the inconvenience - not them - and it costs them money to come up with a system to clear people who aren&#039;t really on the list, so there&#039;s no real carrot or stick to cause them to reduce passenger&#039;s hassle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the tin foil hast people were on Kos and DU&#8217;ers.  Once again, CNN is more interested in getting people to tune in than the truth and you guys are buying into it.</p>
<p>Getting someone on a watchlist is not as easy as calling in the name of a reporter when he writes a bad story about you. An agency nominates someone who is a known threat to airplanes &#8211; a terrorist &#8211; to get on the no-fly list.  That alone doesn&#8217;t get you on the list &#8211; there&#8217;s a thorough review but other security agencies before it&#8217;s approved, and the list is reviewed and scrubbed daily.  Drew Griffin, the CNN reporter, is not a known threat and is not on the No Fly list.  He&#8217;s just like those guys on 60 Minutes whose name is misidentified with someone who&#8217;s really on the list.  Odds are he knows that but likes getting his mug on tv so he keeps up his false reporting.</p>
<p>Drew Griffin and anyone else who is told &#8220;you&#8217;re on a watchlist&#8221; can point their finger directly at the airlines.  Airlines do the watchlist matching right now &#8211; they have the No Fly list and match pasengers&#8217; names against it. They look at similar names and determine who will get hassled because of misidentification. Airlines know that people will be furious with TSA for the inconvenience &#8211; not them &#8211; and it costs them money to come up with a system to clear people who aren&#8217;t really on the list, so there&#8217;s no real carrot or stick to cause them to reduce passenger&#8217;s hassle.</p>
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		<title>By: WAR-PARTY</title>
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		<dc:creator>WAR-PARTY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The TSA makes the Postal Service and the IRS look good. Fast tracking these boobs to carry a weapon, is the very last thing we need in busy packed terminal. I&#039;ll take the bus! TYVM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The TSA makes the Postal Service and the IRS look good. Fast tracking these boobs to carry a weapon, is the very last thing we need in busy packed terminal. I&#8217;ll take the bus! TYVM</p>
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		<title>By: Jaime</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/homeland-security-meets-the-sopranos/#comment-83112</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They do use mob tactics.  People are routinely beaten and humiliated at the airport. The airport police at Reagan National Airport beat a young woman and let police officers beat up passengers and keep their jobs.  Fly through Reagan National Airport at your own risk!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPNmxZwhMag</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They do use mob tactics.  People are routinely beaten and humiliated at the airport. The airport police at Reagan National Airport beat a young woman and let police officers beat up passengers and keep their jobs.  Fly through Reagan National Airport at your own risk!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPNmxZwhMag" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPNmxZwhMag</a></p>
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