Homeland Security: You’re All ‘Militia Extremists’ Now
Going back to the Bush administration, these “lexicons” have seemingly had a singular purpose: purging the use of “Islam,” “jihad,” and “Muslim” from any official discussion of terrorism. No one should be surprised that none of those terms can be found in the current DHS “lexicon,” despite the fact that even by the most generous estimates, more than 40 percent of domestic terrorism has come from within the Muslim community, which accounts for less than one percent of the population. In its place, federal bureaucrats have invented and promoted a patently meaningless and undefinable category, “violent extremism.”
The roots of this go back to the end of the Bush administration and a March 2008 “lexicon” published by the National Counterterrorism Center. Titled “Words that Work and Words that Don’t: A Guide for Counterterrorism Communication,” it began the effort to purge the usage of the terms “Islam,” “Muslim,” and “jihad” from the vocabulary of government officials.
The Obama administration has taken those efforts even further, removing those terms from the 2009 National Intelligence Strategy, the Quadrennial Homeland Security Review, the Quadrennial Defense Review, the FBI Counterterrorism Analytical Lexicon, and the DOD Fort Hood report.
And as seen with the criticism of the previous version of the “lexicon,” this is hardly the first time that the DHS Office for Intelligence and Analysis has come under fire for targeting citizens with no connection whatsoever to terrorism.
In 2009, DHS came under fire for a 10-page report, “Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment,” which classified returning war veterans as potential threats. When government watchdogs submitted FOIAs for the sources used in preparing the report, they found that conspiracy websites and far-left outfits had been used, including the Southern Poverty Law Center, which branded the American Legion veterans organization as a “hate group.” Information also surfaced that the report had been rushed out over the objections of civil liberties officials. DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano was forced to apologize to veterans groups and withdraw the report.
Nor is this the first time that homeland security agencies have pushed the boundaries on defining “militia extremists.”
Just a few weeks prior to DHS coming under fire for that “right-wing” report, the Missouri Information Analysis Center, funded by DHS grants, issued a report titled “The Modern Militia Movement,” which branded pro-life groups and those opposed to illegal immigration as potential domestic terrorists. Indicators identified in the report included support for third-party candidates. Political signs and bumper stickers were also suspect, with the Revolutionary War-era “Gadsden flag” specifically called out as a “militia symbol.” The Missouri fusion center later announced it would stop publishing reports altogether.
In light of the recent publication of the DHS “lexicon” that violates their own guidelines, it seems clear that under Secretary Napolitano, DHS officials are intent on continuing to target innocent citizens merely exercising their constitutional rights.
Meanwhile, groups and individuals that federal prosecutors and even federal judges have identified as supporting foreign terrorist groups are actively courted and legitimized by the Obama administration. Leaders from these terror-tied organizations are even being used to help write the DHS department guidelines on “countering violent extremism.”
Is it any wonder then that just last week it was revealed that a DHS-funded study likened terrorism to “ordinary crime” while omitting any reference to the radicalizing effects of Islamic extremist ideology?
Until Congress pushes back on this malfeasance by DHS and holds Secretary Napolitano accountable, it is likely to continue.
Don’t ask Romney whether he supports this. It shall not be asked of him and he will not answer honestly if someone has the temerity to ask anyway. We in the tea parties are considered traitors by Progressive Republicans and Democrats. They would send us to Gulags or concentration camps if they could. The 2nd Amendment is what these statists fear most.
I am a patriot (according to the founder’s vision for America, not Ginsberg’s version)and a rifleman (I routinely pass the AQT at Appleseed events). I guess that makes me one of those extremists, doesn’t it?
But why mince words? Allow me to be a little more explicit: Enemy of the State – An Extremist Manifesto
This is a ridiculous response to an article critical of the Homeland Security Department and, by association, President Obama. So here is an Obama troll jumping in to be the first to try to smear Mitt Romney in order to give cover to the Communist who has installed this totalitarian policy. He has no evidence to support his assertions, but he knows if he repeats them often enough, a few stupid people will believe them. How much does Obama pay you to do this crap every day, Ceteris?
Obama, Napolitano, and Holder should be impeached and removed from office. Of course, with the current Senate, removal won’t happen. As to Romney, he has said that he is a Progressive, he governed in a manner consistent with Progressivism (including 2nd Amendment positions), and his current statements indicate Progressive leanings. For example, he wants to index the minimum wage and he wants to retain a progressive tax system. I voted for Nixon, Ford, Reagan 2x, Bush 1 2x, Dole, Bush 2 2x, and McCain. With the exception of Reagan, I consider all of them to have Progressive leanings. Thanks to Glenn Beck’s former Fox show, I learned about the evilness of Progressivism. This is why I oppose Romney. My comment above reflects my frustration with the lack of detail the has emerged about Romney’s current positions. Does Romney now support the original intent of the 2nd Amendment?
BTW: if I have made any assertions that are untrue here or in other posts, please point them out and I will endeavor to correct them.
Ceteris,
Romney is clearly showing that his claimed conservative principals are tainted at best and downright lies at worst….
I looked at his index idea today in my blog….his progressive concept of indexing minimum wage….you find it a good read.
http://devereauxdailydose.blogspot.com/
…..devereaux
Thanks for the link. It was a good read.
IF MIN. WAGE GOES UP .JOBS GO DOWN THAT’S A FACT. PLAIN N SIMPLE.ECO 101
romney is just another snake in the grass. a vote for him is like voting for obama.
U R FUCKING NUTS
U R NUTS ROMNEY WOULD BE BETTER!
I don’t see it being critical of DHS. It’s leaking DHS’s own material.
Well…I thought his comment was valid and very applicable to the subject. He was merely pointing out that no one will bother to ask Mitt Romney what he thinks of this, and because of that, a LOT of “stupid” people will vote for him without knowing what they are really voting for. I’m not saying that Mitt Romney supports this…just saying that we’ll have to find out the hard way – when it’s too late – as always.
That’s how we’ve ended up here, and it’s time more people start paying attention, and pointing these things out or it will continue.
IF U VOTE FOR OBAMA YOUR NUTS, IF U VOTED FOR HIM BEFORE IT SHOWS HOW STUPID U ARE . HE SAID HE WAS GONNA CHANGE THIS COUNTRY FUNDAMENTALLY, THEN THAT MEANS HE IS GOING AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION AND OUR FOUNDING FATHERS JUST REMEMBER WHEN AN CANDIDATE SAYS HE IS CHANGING THINGS JUST REMEMBER HE HAS TO GO THROUGH CONGRESS FIST AND U CAN’T CHANGE CONGRESS
Dude, your CAPS lock is stuck on.
Jim,
I don’t see where you get the basis for your attack. Romney is a progressive, so is gingrich and santorum. He is right, ask any of these three if they support the DHS report and all three will say yes and agree that if you disagree off to the gulags without due process. Watch for the lies, exactly the lies that led the Jews to death camps. There is a great little book called’ How Do you kill 11 million people?” Lie to them. First lie the Germans told was the Barbed wire is for your protection, second lie was taking bribes for a better living condition, third and final lie was the Russians are coming, get your families on these trains to move to a safer camp where you will have better living conditions. The Jews followed almost without question.
AND I GUESS THEY STILL DO CAUSE THEY VOTED FOR OBAMA P.S. U CANT BE A REPUBLICAN AND BE A PROGRESSIVE THAT’S LIKE BEING ALMOST PREGNANT!
Google
Romney supported assault weapons ban
then vote Ron Paul.
This is funny is a sick and twisted way. Now it seems that everyone who supports the 2nd Amendment is a suspected domestic threat… Well, having served in Iraq twice, I was already in that boat. I’m glad to know I now have friends.
More friends than you know!
American gun owners comprise the largest armed force in the world bar none. By joining groups of like minded organizations we forge a united front. NOBAMA in 2012 amen.
I’ll second that claim.
It is estimated that there are 80 million firearm owners in the United States, having in their possession some 300 million firearms.
We are, indeed, the largest armed body on the planet.
That is the primary reason that we are not yet the abject slaves of this state and this corrupt government.
It has been said that the Japanese never seriously contemplated an invasion of the US mainland in part because private citizens of this Republic even then constituted the largest armed body in the world.
The Japanese were right to fear us. We were then and we are now a sleeping giant.
Progressive (read small “c” communists and liberal fascists) political types who long to rule here as they rule in Europe should also fear us.
The DHS apparatus is absolutely alien to the American way. Perhaps, when Congress passed the bill that allowed it to become law, the intent was benign, but as with all such creations of a state eager to accumulate power at the cost of individual liberty, DHS has quickly devolved into an upscale version of the old Soviet secret police forces. Time for DHS to go to the dustbin of leftist history, along with the rest of their failed ideas.
I’ll second that as well. The trick is to do it without drawing to much undesired attention to yourself, which seems more difficult with each lexicon and bill passed in this country. Most people are so willing to trade off liberties for the illusion of security.
Well Chase, I being 64 and feel I have lived my life with not a great many years left have absolutely no qualms with walking point when and if time comes we must reforge a government by necessary means under our current Original Constitution absolving all Ammendments and a fresh beginning. I hope it never has to come to this but if so I stand without the fears so many did in our youth for us in the military and/or Naval services during the mid 60s thru early 70s, those of the Serb war, those of both Mid East Wars and possibly stretching it a little before my time to the Korean Conflict likely will form the necessary means to cover and protect the Constitution of the United States and Republic for which we innherit. !946 thru 1965 USN disabled Vet
Alot more friends than you know. It is exactly their fear of us that they are worried about. Watch for a move on the 2nd Amendment very soon. DO NOT GIVE UP YOUR FIREARMS!!!!
I have seen little evidence that Romney supports this policy, so your comment sounds a little paranoid to me. I do agree it is worth repeatedly asking the Romney campaign about it though, just in case he does support it. And better yet, if he does not support it, he might be induced to come out with a press release against it. I do agree though that if Romney does support this policy, it would be a big black mark against him.
Title 10 United States Code, Chapter 13, Section 311, Paragraph (a).
http://tinyurl.com/74hvafo
“The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.”
These so-called “milita” organizations, as much as I may sympathize with them, are not properly operating under the umbrella of the United States militia. All the same, they don’t deserve to be considered terrorists.
The article had nothing to do with whether “militias” met the federal code definition of the term, but DHS branding citizens as “militia extremists” for perfectly legitimate and peaceful behavior. And you don’t actually have to belong to a militia to fall under that definition.
Did you even bother to read the article?
Neither were the state militias of the 18th and mid 19th century. All the same, that didn’t matter. The states and private groups have a legal right to organize their own militia forces.
The State groups of the 18th and 19th centuries absolutely were operating under the applicable laws of the time. Those laws were simply changed to establish the National Guard and the “unorganized” militia in the 20th century.
The private militias, which do not follow the regulations established by Congress are the ones outside the law.
There is a federal militia system and one for each state. Each state is free to permit whatever it wants. Obviously, states like Montana have no quarrel with their private militias. Therefore they are not outside the law in their states. You seem to believe that if the militia doesn’t operate under federal authority, it’s outside the law. That is as ignorant as your suggestion that the National Guard has anything to do with a militia. It’s a military organization, not a militia, and operates as an auxiliary of the Department of Defense with nominal state control. Their units are no more militia than the regular Army’s are militia.
Oh really, the laws changed? I didn’t hear about that Constitutional Amendment.
I heard of this one though which states if it ain’t in the constitution, it ain’t law.
The Tenth Amendment states the Constitution’s principle of federalism by providing that powers not granted to the federal government nor prohibited to the States by the Constitution are reserved to the States or the people.
The Fed Gov has been in violation of common law since The Fed was born in 1913. They’re a massive rip off scam now. Even considering defending this criminal government is DEADLY. I urge you to reconsider this undulating crap your spewing that’s murdering people’s babies RIGHT NOW, as massively families are being relegated to homelessness, cops are molesting children, the banksters stole everybodies home equity with criminal instruments called ADJUSTABLE rate mortgage, which is not possibly a legal CONTRACT as contracts MUST be FINALIZED, not OPEN to ADJUSTMENT. These are new criminal instruments these banks used to perform PREDATORY FINANCE on The People of the USA. You want to protect criminals. Go for it. You’ll die screaming and your own family will piss on your grave.
Militia’s are bonafide under state laws! My entire family past and present is retired and current active military! For the last 235 years! We stand for this United States Constituition!
As the definition says, if you read further, pretty much everyone belongs to the “unorganized militia,” as defined in Sec 311. There are provisions for recalling them in an emergency. The CMP exists to provide training and weapons.
Therefore, the militia is “well-regulated” by Federal law and any reasonable definition.
Otherwise, you’d be identifying “owning a gun” as a member of an “illegal” militia, which the referenced letter is dangerously close to doing.
Actually, reading the federal regulations, the “unorganized militia” is supposed to do nothing except register.
If they actually get together and engage in paramilitary training with some private organization, particularly one with other overt anti-government views, and are not following the UCMJ and various requirements for equipment and training as set by Congress, then they are not “well-regulated”, and are very much violating the Constitution.
“Paramilitary training”. Would that include the firearms training required for a CHL?
Tools like you, Sam, are what tyrants have relied on since the beginning.
No, paramilitary training is running assault drills in camoflage suits, using high explosives, and the like.
Fools like you, SDN, incapable and unwilling to distinguish between that and simple firearms practice, are what the Islamist terrorists running training camps in the U.S. are relying on to excuse and conceal their activities.
I imagine that under DHS rules, shootouts at the paintball range are considered paramilitary training.
The unorganized militia doesn’t have to register. You are part of it if you satisfy Title 10, Section 311 requirements. I would support modifying the law to permit women to be part of the unorganized militia. Rather a few women are better at militia skills than I would be.
The exception noted gives unorganized militia membership to those who previously served as an officer in the active armed forces to the age of 64. That would suggest that prior service non-commissioned, commissioned and warrant officers, or naval petty officers. Note the term Naval Militia, which would support unorganized militia serving as privateers under Letters of Marque and Reprisal. I will quietly suggest that a ship with cannon is a crew served weapon, so private ownership of crew served weapons would be a federal constitution right that can not be taken away by the states.
Training can be many things. Legal firearms training, going to ‘Gunsite’ or other training locations, legal study and use of high explosives are all permitted, unless in violation of specific laws, just as letting cider ferment, then concentrating it by freezing in a jug on the front porch is not in violation of laws that forbid distillation.
The unorganized militia does have to register now because of the Selective Service Act.
Women are allowed to register, which I would expect makes them de facto members of the unorganized militia.
The problem with letters of marque is a treaty, whose name I forget, that the U.S. is a not a signatory to, by which the European powers agreed to end privateering.
It is not binding on us, but it would make actually issuing letters of marque a problem with our international relationships.
You are quite correct about what constitutes training; I checked it extensively years ago to see if it could be construed to cover martial arts training as we use “uniforms” and have a “rank structure”.
The unorganized militia is perfectly free to practice with their firearms, engage in regular exercise, study woodmanship, or even practice jumping out of airplanes.
They just cannot train as an open and explicit military force and claim they are Constitutionally justified.
The meaning of the phrase “well-regulated” in the 2nd amendment
From: Brian T. Halonen
http://constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm
The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:
1709: “If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations.”
1714: “The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world.”
1812: “The equation of time … is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial.”
1848: “A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor.”
1862: “It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding.”
1894: “The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city.”
The phrase “well-regulated” was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people’s arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.
The US Government Creates laws that are repugnant to the US Constitution. Just because they create some law about militias doesn’t mean it is valid. There should be a memo put out about the government out of paranoia are stripping people of their rights in attempt to keep them from exercising their lawful duty to keep the governments power in check. That’s all this is about is keeping the people from exercising their authority over the government and abolishing their jobs. That is what they are really afraid of. They are attempting to strip the rights of the people and put out a memo to watch out for the people who are aware of it and to do whatever they can to stop them from asserting their authority. Plain and Simple, the Federal Government has very limited authority, and if the people don’t crack down on the government when they overstep that authority, they will continue to assert they have authority over us when in fact we have the authority over them. Until you realize this people, they will continue their tyranny while hiding under a viel of calling the people terrorists.
Except of course the Constitution explicitly gives the power to regulate the militia to Congress.
Of course this is not actually a militia regulation issue, so disparaging the militia regulation laws will not do anything to solve the problem.
Name the regulation passed by congress that you would suggest a member of the unorganized militia would violate if they trained.
Ya got nothing bub.
There are no repugnant laws. Law is what a jury will convict you of if you’re aware of the law and speak their language. The constitution guarantees us right to jury trial by COMMON LAW. The totality of common law is encroach on no man nor his property AND meet your agreements. Jury nullification is when juries find against the instructions of a judge based on conscience due unjust law. It’s the juries duty to evaluate not merely the “facts of the alleged crime” but the fairness of the law. It is the responsibility of a jury to evaluate the fairness of the law and find not guilty where the law is unjust. What the government is playing criminal murderous games with is called STATUTE. That’s what they write and attempt to enforce, but is not necessarily supported by juries. Most of their statute has NIL support of The People and is thus NOT LAW, but in actuality an abuse of people. A big one they’re trying to put on people right now to fill their for profit jails is copyright. The Constitution says ONLY Inventors and Writers who write USEFUL arts get copyright protection. NOT corporate lawyers, not entertainers, not people who write balderdash and idiocy, none of those people have copyright protection according to the constitution. The constitution also says if it’s not written in the constitution it’s not a power of the fed gov, it’s left to the States of The People to decide 10th Amendment. So all this nonsense they came up with since the constitution that has no wide support, doesn’t make sense, isn’t defensible to a jury of good conscience, is STATUTE, NOT LAW. If they try to do crime on you by their federal statute, you demand a jury trial, in front of the jury seek nullification of the federal statute due injustice and unconstitutionality.
The Code is specific “all able-bodied males”. That means that when this was written each and every male was meant to come to the aid of his country when called. It doesn’t mean that he becomes part of the Armed Forces.
” I ask you sir, what is the Militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.” George Mason
The Militia is in fact according to our founding fathers, ALL men ages 17 to 45. The Militia is the people, not the military, and that includes the national guard. The people are responsible for the security of this country. I support the militia, but yes like everything else, there are some bad apples, but to label the millions of law abiding citizens as Militia Extremists, is wrong. Wasnt there a court case where they said profiling is wrong. WELL THATS PROFILING
Lyle just hit the nail on the head and it doesnt matter what anyone’s personal opinion is on this subject!! The 2nd amendment belongs to the PEOPLE not the federal government!! There is nothing hard to understand about this one sentence called 2A!! A WELL REGULATED MILITIA BEING NECCESSARY TO THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE, THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!A militia is NECCESSARY to the SECURITY OF YOUR FREE STATE!!! The reason Arms are garrantteed is because a Militia cannot defend Liberty and freedom if it is not armed!! This is why it’s every breathing Americans right and is listed in the bill of rights!!Some in here need to google the Dict Act of 1913! It clearly defines the miltia in 3 parts!! The Military, The state Guard And the PEOPLES citizens militia!!
National Militia Standards, Article.1:
It is the duty of the citizen’s militia to protect and defend the unalienable Rights of all members of the community. Under no circumstances will the militia tolerate those who advocate acts of criminal violence, terrorism, racism or a change away from our republican form of government; nor will it support any specific political party or candidate, nor espouse any particular religious denomination or doctrine. All members must understand the duties and obligation of both citizens and government under the Constitution.
There!! Ya all have a proper education now!! Way to go Lyle,, well said!!
Ooooh, beasty women sending out memos again without one mention of who we are at war with.
Sun Tzu would be laughing his arse off if alive today.
Good thing the President can now detain “terrorists” indefinitely, huh? All of those that complained were crazy Paul followers.
No worries, Obama is “well-meaning.”
Sarc on – “Those who dare question the raving idiocy of “the bringers of hopey change” must be burned at the stake as punishment for heresy”. sarc off.
Disband the Dept of Security Theature, the Touching Scrotums Agency and the fascist Obama Administration.
Remember – a republic IF you can keep it.
Oh how many Republicans supported the infinate detention without trial provisions of NDAA. You would think the experience of third world police states and the ex Soviet Union would have put the brakes on that gross violation of common law. I mean was only a provision in the Magna Carta after all…
NOT SURE WHATS SCARIER… THE FACT THAT GOVT NOW, DEMANDS.. WE STAY IN DENIAL… [OR ELSE] OF WHAT THEY ARE, IN FACT GUILTY OF DOING TO AMERICANS.. OR, WHERE THESE CRAZED LOON CONTROLFREAKS… ACTUALLY GET THEIR IDEAS FROM!! >>> http://www.hp-lexicon.org/
It would come as little surprise to me, as an Englishman, if they got such ideas from our side of the pond. As will be known to most Americans, gun ownership laws in the UK went far beyond the sensible suggestions of the Cullen Report into the Dunblane Massacre, and it was a Labour government that bowed to the unholy alliance of civilian concern and the rantings of a grubby tabloid newspaper whose main selling point is the acreage of bare female flesh on one of its inside pages.
Since then anti-gun sentiment is continually fanned by a self-styled “Gun Control Network”, whose chief spokeswoman, a Mrs Gill Marshall-Andrews, does not hesitate to engage in distortiion and even demands that border on the tyrannous. If you think this a gross exaggeration see http://guncontrolnetwork.blogspot.com/ In her book, if you own a gun you’re a dangerous criminal who must be locked up.
Eleven years ago last November I had the privilege of spending a fortnight in southern Texas. The amazing thing was that I actually felt safer in downtown San Antonio than I would in many British cities! I hear that there is an average of five or six guns per household in that state—which would make life dangerous for any intending burglar—and that after training and certification you can carry a concealed handgun! But of course they also have the death penalty for murder(which they are not afraid of using). Another factor is the widespread freedom to run Christian schools and to engage in Christian broadcasting. If the general output is another matter these last two do are like salt acting as a preservative in the body politic.
So in classing all believers in the right to own guns for self-defence the DHS had better watch its language; its words might come back to haunt them one day!
serious
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ditto
Perhaps singing this may help:
There’s no place like home, Obama is well-meaning, there’s no place like home, Obama is well-meaning, there’s no place like home………
‘Love the Constitution? Hate government regulations? New DHS “lexicon” brands you a “militia extremist.”‘
Yeah, if you use violence against the government, like it says in the first line of their definition.
I think that’s pretty accurate.
As far as blowing off religious based extremism (which I don’t see mentioned in their definitions), which is what the big problem currently is in this country, that’s pretty silly.
“The Fort Hood shooting was a mass shooting that took place on November 5, 2009, at Fort Hood, the most populous U.S. military installation in the world, located just outside Killeen, Texas.[1] In the course of the shooting, a single gunman killed 13 people and wounded 29 others.[1] It is the worst shooting ever to take place on an American military base.[2]”
“The sole suspect is Nidal Malik Hasan, a U.S. Army Major serving as a psychiatrist. He was shot and taken into custody by Department of the Army Civilian Police officers,[3] and is now paralyzed from the chest down.[4] Hasan has been charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted murder under the Uniform Code of Military Justice; he may face additional charges at court-martial. If he is convicted, there is a chance he could be given the death penalty.[5][6]”
“Hasan is an American Muslim of Palestinian descent. Internal Army reports indicate officers within the Army had discussed what they characterized as Hasan’s tendencies toward radical Islam since 2005…”
It is happening. It’s pretty much the source of all serious terrorism at the moment, and trying to pretend that these guys aren’t motivated by religious fanaticism is just plain nuts.
They need to quit playing p.c. games and add “religious extremists” to their definitions. Playing ostrich ain’t going to cut it.
“They need to quit playing p.c. games and add “religious extremists” to their definitions. Playing ostrich ain’t going to cut it.
Absolutely right, Dave. But “they”, the Obama team, aren’t going to take your advice, and neither are the Dems and RINOs in Congress. We need more conservatives in office who will use their brains rather than their hearts to defend the country.
Unfortunately, they will define “religious extremists” as “Christians who don’t want to fund other people’s abortions” and continue to ignore jihad.
Love the Constitution, ditrust GOVERNMENT! History has shown us that government, all governments, trend to corruption.
Corruption? We should only be so lucky. The folks running the show aren’t merely robber barons and they aren’t moral busybodies either.
Deftly done sir. I use that same C.S. Lewis quote as my sig…
And authoritarianism.
Napolitano and her boss the god president have also militarized the local police and sheriffs office. A large chunk of the stimulus money that the god president poured on the American land consisted of money for military updates for local police; this includes the buying of tanks, armored cars and body armor. They have also outfitted them with military grade assault weapons. Just witness the new power of local law enforcement ; they have the right to break into citizens houses; shot their dogs and terrorize their children often doing this at a wrong address so they claim. The dogs of war are loosed;and this is the purpose of the new American police state presided over by the god presdident and his gestapo goons. It is also interesting to note how the media has gone along to support this; producing a multitude of tv series about law enforcement and their noble right to kill and maim the so called baddies. The tv writers also target anyone who does not bow to the new American State and his powers as peope who should be destroyed. Christians are the biggest target of the new government controlled hollywood/new york media axis. We live in dangerous times. The American barbarians are running the land.
This predates Obama. It goes back at least to Bush Sr. Take the binders off.
Don’t get me wrong – BHO is bad news, but his are not new policies, only a different tone.
The USA has one dominant party with two factions – Reb vs Dem. Both factions first impulse when responding to the crisis of the day is to expand the scope and size of the federal government.
The supreme irony of this situation is that, when President Bush announced the formation of the Department of Homeland Security, he was cheered (though not unanimously) across the length and breadth of this nation. Washington’s finally doing something to protect us! rose the cry. Then came the formation of the (now dreaded) Transportation Security Agency, and all that came with it. Nervous Americans, especially those who must fly frequently, were fulsome in their approbation. Scanner wands? Gropes? Who cares! At least the plane won’t be hijacked!
Those who applauded these developments forgot one of the most important rules of practical politics:
Before awarding government a new power, try to imagine how it would be used in the hands of your worst enemy.
Perhaps we’ll remember that now…for a few years, at least.
Good advice, Francis.
Seconded.
GREAT advice Francis.
Once again the left uses Orwell’s 1984 as a manual rather than a warning.
@J.T. Thank you for making this point. For 80 years, the term “Orwellian” was used and abused to the point where we’ve trivialized the concept. Now, it is really truly happening…the deliberate bastardization of the language in order to obscure truth. It’s one thing when PC-speak starts to chill public discourse (a very bad thing) – quite another when it shapes policy and law enforcement (utter disaster). On another front, if you look at the “federal government can insist that Catholic hospitals offer abortions because they take federal $” argument, as Joe Scarborough pointed out this morning, that can cut two ways…a GOP admin could then say hospitals that take federal $ may NOT offer abortions (progressives are fine with totalitarian measures as long as they agree with them). Plus, since the federal government has siphoned off about 30% of the total economy at this point, and disperses funds to virtually everyone (read that something like 80% of the $ spent by New York State are from federal grants), the “federal $ argument” at this point can be applied to practically everything. Yes, the founding fathers are rolling over in their graves, as is Junius who said “the citizen who is truly loyal to the chief magistrate shall neither advise nor consent to arbitrary measures”. The last vestiges of the Republic are on life support now.
“So what drives militia extremism according to DHS now is “belief that the government deliberately is stripping Americans of their freedoms.”
I believe that the government is deliberately stripping our freedoms away and I’m not a member of any militia group. I believe the government is doing it through the use of our money, which in the long run could not only strip our freedoms away, but it could also take down this country. I don’t want our government bailing out car companies using my money, I don’t want our government bailing out insurance comapanies (like AIG) with our money, I don’t want our governemnt to force me to buy a product, like insurance, I don’t want our government to use our money to subsidize “green” energy companies like Solyndra, I don’t want the government using my money to help “stimulate” an economy when, in fact, all it’s doing is paying off a lot of union hacks so that they’ll vote democratic in the next election, I don’t want the government to use our money to pay for abortions, and the list goes on and on. Notice that whenever the government gets more power and does more things it’s by taking more money away from us. And that needs to stop before we not only lose all our money, but all our freedoms as well.
It’s funny, really, how the national socialists will come right out and say what they’re doing and that to oppose it is somehow a reason to be labeled. This, the “party of no labels” has, for decades and especially the last three years, heavily labeled everyone.
And, come right out and say what they fear of you the most.
The extremists are all on the left. There are no “right-wing” extremists that I have ever known of. Too many of their operatives have gotten into government and are now setting the tone, if not the actual laws, that to be against them will result in some as yet persecution. In their ultimate goal, elimination of people like me is paramount.
Statists have always been a problem and will continue to be. There once was a time though in this nation when such people would never get any traction because it was recognized that everything they said and did was garbage. But then the 60′s came along and the greatest generation fostered a new generation of spoiled little sh*ts who thought they were smarter than everybody else.
I still contend that that is a major root of the problem. Many of THEIR kids will hopefully rebel in the other direction and choose church, clean-living and decency as opposed to the “if it feels good, do it” mentality of their parents and grandparents.
Somehow I managed to escape the BS that the 60′s was selling. I wasn’t buying it and I never will. But remember, for leftists to have a voice, there has to be a listener.
“Is it any wonder then that just last week it was revealed that a DHS-funded study likened terrorism to “ordinary crime” while omitting any reference to the radicalizing effects of Islamic extremist ideology?”
To answer the question (yes, I know it’s rhetorical) the only “wonder” is that it took them so long.
Simply put, Napolitano and, by extension, Obama are simply publicly stating what they have always believed. Namely, that their definition of “friends” and “enemies” is fundamentally different from ours.
And that those who wish us ill are those they regard as “friends”, because of their own steadfast belief that everything those enemies wish to do with us, or to us, is no more than just retribution for own own past sins. By the same token, they believe that it is we, the American people, who constitute a danger, not just to America but to the world as a whole.
And they, being enlightened, post-modern, post-national citizens of the world, are going to make us pay. Because it’s The Right Thing To Do. (As John Ringo says, they tend to think in capital letters.)
Once you understand the belief system underlying their actions and rhetoric, those behaviors become comprehensible. And their belief system is an absolute one, which they have absolute faith is correct.
Of course, as Heinlein said, “Stupid is stupid; faith doesn’t make it smart”.
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Something’s gone wrong in America. Were he alive today, Thomas Jefferson would likely be DHS’s public enemy number one.
For proof of that, consider how Ron Paul is treated. Thomas Jefferson’s foreign policy program was virtually identical to Paul’s at a time when the major European powers had the military strength to devastate the East Coast in conventional warfare. Even around 1860, the Royal Navy was four times larger than the US Navy and capable of utterly annihilating the Union blockade if the British had intervened. Yet Jefferson still pursued a policy of avoiding foreign entanglement. Where he alive today, it’s a sure bet that Jefferson would absolutely be loathed by mainstream conservatives and liberals alike.
Baloney! “….to the shores of Tripoli”. Where do you think that part of the opening phrase in the Marine Anthem comes from? Your history is about as misguided as Dr.Paul’s foreign policy views.
The only baloney is your Obama/RINO stupidity. Ron Paul is for a strong military geared to fighting and winning against enemies like the Chinese and Russians who can BEAT us. When we are pouring money down a rat hole chasing 9th century throwbacks around a dust bowl, what is happening to our big battalions? The next generation of fighters? Artillery? You idiot, they are not being built. The current systems degrade. All for what?
Your neo-con warmongering is a fatal flaw. I suggest educating yourself not to be a tool of the police state.
Thomas Jefferson was so interested in fighting the European powers (NOT) that he taught himself Arabic. His personal copy of the Quran was used to swear in a US representative recently.
Educate yourself. “The Savage Wars of Peace” by Max Boot
Like our liberal friends, it is not that the Ronulans are stupid, it is just that they know so much that isn’t so.
His personal copy of the Koran had his own handwritten footnotes and observations of the savagery and illogical false god/false prophet-ness of the demon Mohammad. He taught himself arabic and obtained a Koran out of his curiosity to comprehend what motivated these savage and dis-honorable pirates.
As an enlightened, intelligent man, he was duly horrified by what he read in “their scripture” and made many notes in the margins attesting to that revelation.
Using his “personal copy” of the Koran to SWEAR IN A MUSLIM AS A UNITED STATES OFFICIAL it the pinnacle of irony.
Sad, tragic, pathetic Irony
Very easy to look up:
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/to-the-shores-of-tripoli
“After marching 500 miles from Egypt, U.S. agent William Eaton leads a small force of U.S. Marines and Berber mercenaries against the Tripolitan port city of Derna. The Marines and Berbers were on a mission to depose Yusuf Karamanli, the ruling pasha of Tripoli, who had seized power from his brother, Hamet Karamanli, a pasha who was sympathetic to the United States.
The First Barbary War had begun four years earlier, when U.S. President Thomas Jefferson ordered U.S. Navy vessels to the Mediterranean Sea in protest of continuing raids against U.S. ships by pirates from the Barbary states–Morocco, Algeria, Tunis, and Tripolitania. American sailors were often abducted along with the captured booty and ransomed back to the United States at an exorbitant price. After two years of minor confrontations, sustained action began in June 1803, when a small U.S. expeditionary force attacked Tripoli harbor in present-day Libya.
In April 1805, a major American victory came during the Derna campaign, which was undertaken by U.S. land forces in North Africa. Supported by the heavy guns of the USS Argus and the USS Hornet, Marines and Arab mercenaries under William Eaton captured Derna and deposed Yusuf Karamanli. Lieutenant Presley O’ Bannon, commanding the Marines, performed so heroically in the battle that Hamet Karamanli presented him with an elaborately designed sword that now serves as the pattern for the swords carried by Marine officers. The phrase “to the shores of Tripoli,” from the official song of the U.S. Marine Corps, also has its origins in the Derna campaign.”
That’s a good point. In fact, all the founding fathers facilitated or engaged in violence (the Revolutionary War, remember? Not to mention pre-revolutionary acts of violence such as the original Tea Party) and of course they also valued their rights and liberties as well as — later on after it was written and adopted — the US Constitution. You can’t even fix the definition by adding “facilitating or engaged in violence **against the government**”, because at the time of the Revolutionary War the King of England and Parliament were the government of what was to become the United States of America. I bet in the long run it’s as bad as trying to define pornography and, like the Supreme Court in its famous definition of pornography, you end up having to say you know it when you see it.
LS46@12,
It’s much worse. They’ve not been overtly taxing US to pay for our enslavement. They’ve been borrowing near endless amounts of the money needed to enslave US, using our further-to-be-enslaved children and theirs as collateral. Now $16 TRILLION deficit annually and over $120 TRILLION in total debt.
and over $120 TRILLION in total debt.
I don’t want to veer off-topic but those Social Security and Medicare “liabilities” aren’t debt because the unborn can’t agree to be bound by a contract. Those “liabilities” aren’t even good faith promises anymore, they’re lies. In the very near future AARP will become the largest terrorist group in the Country when members stage protests to demand their “benefits”. Planned Parenthood will be renamed “Planned Personhood” as “late stage abortions” become the solution in the next “Great Leap Forward”.
You call it contract, the government calls it taxes.
Congress what are you doing? http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2012/02/sure-why-not-congress-calls-for.html
“House-Senate conference report this week called on the Administration to accelerate the use of civilian unmanned aerial systems (UAS), or “drones,” in U.S. airspace.
The pending authorization bill for the Federal Aviation Administration directs the Secretary of Transporation to develop within nine months “a comprehensive plan to safely accelerate the integration of civil unmanned aircraft systems into the national airspace system.”
Perhaps they will be used to defend the border.
Remember, if you complain about the government taking your freedoms, you hate freedom.
“Thomas Jefferson would likely be DHS’s public enemy number one.”
I don’t know about the DHS, but I bet the DOJ would have something to say about that whole slavery thing.
I don’t see the point in deliberately missing the point.
I didn’t miss your point, which is clearly stated, I just don’t happen to agree with it.
That’s ok, Americans are free to be wrong, as long as Obama doesn’t get another term and give us more “hope and CHANGE”.
You do understand the concept of EX POST FACTO right ??????
“Groups or individuals who facilitate or engage in acts of violence directed at federal, state, or local government officials or infrastructure in response to their belief that the government deliberately is stripping Americans of their freedoms and is attempting to establish a totalitarian regime.”
This is a fairly accurate description of the union activity in Wisconsin since Feb 2011. The active assaults and threats to state government officials are well documented and organized by the union activists, with the cry that Walker is a dictator, stripping Americans of their rights and attempting to set up a totalitarian regime.
I doubt the DHS will put the SEIU on any watch list any time soon.
You’re absolutely correct. The union activity in Wisconsin amounted to a coup attempt, aimed at taking down a legitimately elected government. And they’re still trying, with their recall attempts. It’s going to get nasty this year.
Sure it is, but it’s only a “coup” if you disapprove.
Remember when Obama tried to pressure Honduras to reinstate a Marxist dictator after he was ousted by a military “coup” ordred by the country’s Supreme Court?
Welcome to the New and Improved America 2.0, the Police State perfected.
You are interpreting this out of context. The definition begins with the crucial words “Groups or individuals who facilitate or engage in acts of violence directed at federal, state, or local government officials or infrastructure” and then proceeds to explain the cause behind the violence.
Your distortion is no better than that of the MSM. You lost me.
I agree with you David.
“Groups or individuals who facilitate or engage in acts of violence” is clearly the primary criteria and the rest of the definition is just philology. That is consistent with First Amendment standards for law enforcement officers who have to deal with groups that have an ideological orientation – no scrutiny of beliefs unless there is a nexus with violence or illegal activity.
The document from Scribd wont load for whatever reason but I bet that other violent groups like animal rights terrorists or environmental terrorists are described the same way – (1) a person who engages in violence (2) based on a belief minks should roam free or that the Earth should fight back, or whatever.
I have to wonder whether Patrick somehow missed this, or if he just intentionally misread it in order to drive up web hits.
“You are interpreting this out of context. The definition begins with the crucial words ‘Groups or individuals who facilitate or engage in acts of violence directed at federal, state, or local government officials or infrastructure’ and then proceeds to explain the cause behind the violence.”
They left “facilitate” undefined. Technically, one can “facilitate” an illegal act by any number of acts that are themselves perfectly legal, including the act of doing nothing. The intent is to demonize anyone who disagrees with the SCOAMF as a “militia extremist.” Also, the use of FOUO classification makes it clear that they were attempting to hide this material from public scrutiny.
The security classification system is intended to keep national security information from reaching this nation’s enemies. Keeping this material from the public amounts to defining the American public as the enemy of the American government.
They didn’t leave it undefined, it’s just not in the article.
From the lexicon:
“Facilitators – Groups or individuals who knowingly provide one or more of a wide array of services to other operatives that enable the execution of terrorist plots, training, travel, or financing. Such activity might include setting up bank accounts, acquiring or producing false identification or travel documentation, aiding travel, disbursing funds, procuring materials, or enabling communications via electronic means or couriers. A facilitator who participates in a conspiracy without knowing the final object of the conspiracy, or even knowing that a conspiracy exists, should be referred to as an unwitting co-optee.”
Any typos are mine.
I agree with you about the misuse of FOUO classification although this is hardly a new problem, the government has been using classification to keep embarassing things secret for decades.
Joe Blow has it right though, almost every description of Racist Skinhead Extremists, Environmental Rights Extremists, Black Supremacist Extremists etc. starts with the same phrase “Groups or individuals who facilitate or engage in acts of violence ….”
I wonder what catagory Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn fall into under the Lexicon? Just “some folks who happen to live in the neighborhood”, I suppose.
they are heroes and freedom fighters
Would someone please supply me with the “snitch line” so I can turn myself in?
First the Jews were demonized by gov’t agencies.
Then a large army of internal police was staffed up and armed (consider to the growth in weaponry procured for local police and the growth in militarized ‘agencies’).
And they compiled lists, and trained gangs of young enforcers to demonize the “others”. The media went along and the schools retrained the young to depart from western liberal thought and replace it with new progressive ideas (that somehow require internal enemies).
History is full of examples of what this regime is preparing. Once institutionalized throughout the beauracracy- These things cannot be stopped. We all know what is coming.
I think we have to acknowledge though that we are reaching the culmination of a generations-long process – one that has been rolling along for the last hundred years now, with occasional pauses. Democrats in general and Obama in particular are the biggest fans/enablers, but really, the trendline seems to inexorably move in this direction irrespective of who is in the Oval Office. The real culprits are us… the American public, who are willing trading freedom for physical comfort, “freedom from speech that offends us”, economic security (we’ll see about that) and “safety”.
One of history’s great unlearned lessons:
Will we learn before it is too late?
Well, let’s not forget that our government is in the business of trying to placate everyone at the expense of practicality, security and common sense. This is, of course, patently impossible, so logically, you placate the largest groups at the expense of the smaller. But they try.
We also have an administration in place now, which sees little to nothing wrong with things like Islamic expansionism. Just saying.
Militia Extremists: “These individuals consequently oppose many federal and state authorities’ laws and regulations, (particularly those related to firearms ownership), and often belong to armed paramilitary groups.”
At least in the excerpt provided, it doesn’t state all conditions must exist (violence + opposition + armed paramilitary group) to meet the definition of extremist. The wording seems to include anyone who speaks out against laws and regulations (98% of PJM commenters), particularly those who advocate for the right to bear arms (many PJM commenters).
Hmmmn. Watch list, anyone?
I do not dispute your point, but that is going to be one hell of big list. The majority or the adult populations of almost all of the southern states, plus most of the midwest, and large portions of the western states excluding California, Oregon and Washington. Like those spooky hackers, we constitution-loving, 2nd amendment advocates are legion.
HA HA! Brilliant deduction! It is like a Harry Potter film term-Lexicon!! thats some funnt sh%t We should limit the Tv & Movie time, these people have. They;re grand plans for us, are straight out of Harry Potter, or, Disney cartoons! Are the interns running our government?
This country was founded by “militia extremists”
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.–Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.”
However:
“AFTER an unequivocal experience of the inefficacy of the subsisting federal government, you are called upon to deliberate on a new Constitution for the United States of America. The subject speaks its own importance; comprehending in its consequences nothing less than the existence of the UNION, the safety and welfare of the parts of which it is composed, the fate of an empire in many respects the most interesting in the world. It has been frequently remarked that it seems to have been reserved to the people of this country, by their conduct and example, to decide the important question, whether societies of men are really capable or not of establishing good government from reflection and choice, or whether they are forever destined to depend for their political constitutions on accident and force. If there be any truth in the remark, the crisis at which we are arrived may with propriety be regarded as the era in which that decision is to be made; and a wrong election of the part we shall act may, in this view, deserve to be considered as the general misfortune of mankind.”
The country has endured because of a choice to trade “militia extremists” for reasoned statesmen.
Of course that does not mean we are not suffering from a distinct lack of reasoned statesmen at this time. It merely means those erstwhile “militia extremists” made a conscious choice to trade it in for reasoned statesmenship.
Founding a country is not running a country; just ask down at your local OWS encampment about the difference.
Of course, Sam neglects to mention that they explicitly maintained the right to resume their previous status when needed.
Obviously SDN didn’t bother to read that passage.
Some people just want to see the world burn and all that.
So in other words, in order to prevent people thinking our government is in the process of establishing a totalitarian police state, we have to establish a totalitarian police state…
‘Homeland Security Lexicon: You’re All ‘Militia Extremists’ Now’
That statement is not correct, because I’m not facilitating or engaging in violence against the governments of the United States.
If I was, then i reckon their definition really would apply, and I would be a militia extremist (or at least some kind of extremist).
In fact I do believe that government is stripping us of our rights, and I do oppose many state and federal laws, and I oppose ALL gun control laws that attempt to interfere with the right of the people (those that aren’t robbers or killers, that is) to keep and bear arms, but since I’m not getting violent about it, I don’t fit their definition, and I doubt if the DHS is going to be too interested in me.
At least, I hope not.
And you probably think you are not a racist.
LMFAO State your real name Coward… Because I disagree with Government policy I Am a Racist ??? PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW ???? Can you ?????
According to DHS/Napolitano/Obama “logic” any opposition to Obama is by definition violence against the government and an attempt to overthrow the government.
Expect that to soon be expanded to claiming anyone daring to run against Obama or his cronies to be an enemy of the State.
Hitler said it best:
“It is convenient to have a set of laws where everyone is a criminal”
Much like obama’s first “National Security Adviser” Raun Emanuel stated that crisis as a means is too useful an instrument of tyranny to waste.
Not surprising, obama, Emanuel, Napalatino, O’Rielly, Ayers, Dorn, Alynski, Davis, and a slue of obama dictatorship administration officials all have deep roots in radical communist/ruling elitist Chicago.
This is the real threat, the real radical terrorist elements today in our great nation.
It is the great tell of the Marxists/ruling class to point at easy to scapegoat targets in order to turn eyes from their own intrinsic treason and tyranny.
it would be quite telling how romney, gingrich, and santorum respond to this or if they even do respond
linking this with fast and furious (of which most americans, again, have no clue) and the very reason for a second amendment in the first place – then, explaining how our rights are inalienable, connecting the trashing of the (catholic) church…
this is a chance to make some headway in my opinion
as the marxists, and the rest of us along with them, accelerate down through the toilet bowl their motives and desperation become crystal clear
Santorum and Gingrich could use you as a political consultant. Your advice is better than any other they could receive. What do they have to lose?
Hey, I love the Constitution, fear nd loathe encroaching laws and regulations (particularly those related to firearms ownership) and for years was a reserve member of an “armed paramilitary group.” (We called it a “police department.”)
“…facilitate or engage in acts of violence…”
This part is the key, not the belief bit. Are you engaging in acts of violence in response to your beliefs, or going to the voting booth? Voting? Ok, so you aren’t an extremist, and no, the government isn’t going to round you up.
So long as the government gets to define ‘facilitate’, my life and liberty are dependent on the good will of Federal prosecutors and other bureaucrats. This is the classic definition of tyranny: arbitrary exercise of power. They will end up creating the rebellion they seek to prevent, as people like me arm ourselves in self defense.
“If this be treason, make the most of it.”
Why is this so hard for some to understand? The truth is often uncomfortable, so why go there I guess.
Commend all to go and read deeply at:
http://mountainguerrilla.blogspot.com/
Really.
With all due respect, everybody here seems to be oblivious to the fact that this definition begins with “Groups or individuals who facilitate or engage in acts of violence directed at federal, state, or local government officials or infrastructure….” While it could be argued that this applies to Occupiers, it doesn’t to Tea Partiers.
Given the past reading comprehension skills of the federal judiciary, are you sure this will not be interpreted to mean whatever the fascist WANT it to mean at any particular time? Your definition if “is” may not be the same as theirs.
The thing that creeps people out is the Orwellian use of terminology, particularly in this administration. DHS can and will use the terminology as they see fit, not in a manner that makes common sense to most of us. The plain meaning of words is not the meaning the leftists assign them.
…by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)…
This despicable department can’t be abolished fast enough, and the people running it ostracized from society for the rest of their miserable lives.
I’m still creeped out by the first memo. It talked about single issue voters, religiously devout people, military veterans, and people who support third party candidates.
That memo described literally every single person I know, except one. who was a democratic party activist, and all around creepy human being- a draft-dodging atheist who couldn’t be bothered to marry his porn-star erotic writings girlfriend and go have kids.. They got the president of the PTA, my kids school-teachers- who are all sunday school teachers- every mother in the playgroup I attended, my neighbors up and down the street– everyone. They got the coaches on the kids sports teams. Every last single decent American citizen I knew.
I have as much respect for my government as it has for me.
Yeah , I suppose by their definition we are extremists . We don’t see eye to eye with their attempts to set up their Communist inspired Dictatorship . Sorry Barry , this is America and it was not set up to be a communist nation . If that is what you want then perhaps you should have run for office in Kenya . You obviously slept through American History Class at collage . You have made a mockery of Our Constitution , the Declaration of Independence and yes, even the Bible .
True Americans , will oppose you every step of the way rather than see the country they love fall to the “Scheme’s of Your Father”
“Groups or individuals who facilitate or engage in acts of violence directed at federal, state, or local government officials or infrastructure in response to their belief that the government deliberately is stripping Americans of their freedoms and is attempting to establish a totalitarian regime. These individuals consequently oppose many federal and state authorities’ laws and regulations, (particularly those related to firearms ownership)…”
What if it is true that Federal government, like King George III in 1776, is stripping American citizens of their God-given rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness?
What if it is true that elements of our Federal government is attempting to gradually establish a totalitarian regime?
If this is true then aren’t American citizens duty bound to oppose many federal and state authorities’ laws and regulations, particularly those related to firearms ownership?
Our Founding Fathers answered the last question.
“Whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends (equal unalienable rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness), it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.” Declaration of Independence
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html
King George III did not approve of the ideas and the language of our Declaration of Independence – no tyrant would.
The operative clause in the definition of military extremist is as follows:
“facilitate or engage in acts of violence directed at federal, state, or local government officials or infrastructure”
The part you highlighted is just the justification for them that most concern this administration. There are enough real reasons to dismantle the programs to “manage” our liberty without fabricating more.
This and other factors lately prompted the wife and me to self-censor our daily telephone conversations which often include negative commentary on BHO and this administration. That is all.
Actually, we are seeing the results and the strengths of freedom of expression: we are truly these the groups who believe such things as they truly are and better, they cannot claim persecution of discrimination.
Many times before, groups discredit themselves by their actions. Prohibition, gun control and a lot of other things died in that way. It will be the same here.
More fun, we might have a majority decide that our country cannot exist with such views. Twice that has happened: first the Revolution then the Civil War.
Be not concerned, if later, the solution will be much more thorough.
No matter what group you choose to belong to….The NRA or American Freedom Fighters….Or if you only own a firearm….You are targeted by the Government as being an extremist…..If you carry a copy of the US Constitution in your pocket you are an extremist…..If you have a copy of the Bill of Rights hangin in your office you are an extremist…..If you stock pile Food you are an extremist (beware Mormons)…..If you stock pile Ammunition you are an extremist…..If you hand load ammunition you are an extremist….If you own a B-B Gun you are an extremist…..If you have a copy of the Bible at your Bed Side you are consisdered an Extremist….If you are writing your comments on this Blog as I am doing you and I are considered to be an extremist…..Now No Thanks to John McCains National Defense Authorization Act as signed into Law by B. Obama an “Extemist” can be considered as a “Terrorist” and Imprisoned without Trial…..You can be Tortured and or forced by Rendition to more extreme measures of Torture in a Foreign Country (they get paid by our Government to do this), and or you can be Assassinated (murdered) by Leon Panetta and his Government Goons as signed off by his co-Conspirator B. Obama…..Doesn’t that make you feel oh so Good that as an American you have no Rights whatsoever any more to defend Freedom and or to pursue the American Dream of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness!….Shades of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Benito Musollini, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, and other world reknown like minded Dictators!….The American People are now considered to be Rair Game to be labeled as “Terrorist”….”When will They ever Learn”?….Peter, Paul and Mary.
In short, anyone who is not a Communist is now an extremist. A sad state of affairs.
Your article is misleading. You intentionally create a false impression that the government considers any citizen who is merely concerned about Second Amendment rights and government encroachment as a “militia extremist”. Yet the text you quote to substantiate your allegation clearly states in the beginning that the term applies to “Groups or individuals who facilitate or engage in acts of violence…”
The Founders are to us heroes, but the government against which they rebelled at the time considered them traitors. British soldiers considered Washington’s troops the enemy. If one engages in violence against the government and meets the remaining criteria in the definition it would be strange indeed if the government did not consider such people as militia extremists, rebels, insurrectionists, etc.
It was a good thing that the Continental army captured a good number of British soldiers, so that hanging was not the result of being captured. As it was, Continental soldiers and privateers captured by the British were routinely confined to prison ships, floating hulks where disease was rampant, and food provided was poor. The death rate was very high.
By contrast, Washington recognized the value of prisoners, and routinely exchanged them, and the superior treatment of British soldiers captured was a key part of the English recognition that their cause (English taxation of non-English posessions) was not just.
The key word is ‘facilitate’. Facilitate could mean write articles that are unfriendly, makes a blog post, passes on information, contributes financially to an unpopular cause, joins a group the present administration deems politically incorrect…
DonM is right. Criminal facilitation has long been justification for criminal liability in many jurisdictions, and AFAIK, no one has been successfully prosecuted by it after they just “write articles that are unfriendly, makes a blog post, passes on information, contributes financially to an unpopular cause, joins a group the present administration deems politically incorrect”. If you think otherwise, post examples. This article is kook bait.
“These individuals consequently oppose many federal and state authorities’ laws and regulations, (particularly those related to firearms ownership)…”
What if certain federal and state laws and regulations violate the individual’s God-given rights to life, liberty and fruit of labor in pursuit of happiness? What would you call such laws and regulations?
“Law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual.” Thomas Jefferson
http://faculty.cua.edu/pennington/law508/JeffersonRights.htm
I’m a radical?
Oh my God! I want a balanced budget, spending within our means, my rights to be respected, innocent until proven guilty reinstated properly, property rights, and the government to stay the hell out of my business and body.
How dare I!
It’s starting to look like the government is fulfilling the role of the domestic part of “enemies foreign and domestic”.
And I did take an oath.
It sounds like Big Bro-socialist is saying to me that unless I adhere/love the government regulations I am an extremist/commie/less than worthy to be an American citizen.
I can live with it because the socialist/communists in the White House, and OB’s puppet appointments including a communist as an advisor are losing control of their “agenda” and the people now have woke up to their lies. (That also includes Occupy puppets also. God bless America!
jensad
just a side note, i think if you dig a little bit you will find much of that “lexicon” originates with the “southern poverty law center”, which has been peddling the same line of equine waste droppings for years to gullible government and law enforcement agencies.
Mr. Poole, you conveniently by-passed the opening phrase of the DHS “definition” – “Groups or individuals who facilitate or engage in acts of violence directed at federal, state, or local government officials or infrastructure”. I think most would agree that any group or individual who facilitates or engages in acts of violence towards the government are extremists. Conducting training in order to be able to be able to accomplish this violence and even overthrow of the Government further underscores this definition.
I’m amazed by how many of you read those descriptions and see yourself being described.
‘I’m amazed…’ – is that the view of the Thurston Howells of the Yacht Club?
Or perhaps a visiting Eurocratist human-sheep?
No doubt you all imagine the American Revolution was to enable a different group of ‘blue bloods’ to ‘ascend’ to hereditary power…
So, this describes OWS, Right?
RE: “Groups or individuals who facilitate or engage in acts of violence directed at federal, state, or local government officials or infrastructure in response to their belief that the government deliberately is stripping Americans of their freedoms and is attempting to establish a totalitarian regime.”
New Hampshire is one of several states to include the Right of Revolution in the State’s Constitution: “Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.”
Our Constitution provides for peaceful replacement of government officials through elections, and replacement of human-rights-destroying Federal (or Constitutional) law through amendment. States are also empowered to nullify un-Constitutional Federal law (but not Constitution-compliant Federal law) due to their inherent supra-Federal authority when acting in concert (but not when acting singly).
“The course & scope of the reasoning [1798 Virginia Resolution] requires that by the rightful authority to interpose in the cases & for the purposes referred to, was meant, not the authority of the States singly & separately, but their authority as the parties to the Constitution., the authority which, in fact, made the Constitution; the authority which being paramount to the Constitution was paramount to the authorities constituted by it, to the Judiciary as well as the other authorities [Congress and President]. The resolution derives the asserted right of interposition for arresting the progress of usurpations by the Federal Government from the fact that its powers were limited to the grant made by the States [Constitution]… The mode of their interposition, in extraordinary cases, is left by the Resolution to the parties [States] themselves…in the event of usurpations of power not remediable under the forms and by the means provided by the Constitution [Article V Amendment]… It is sometimes asked in what mode the States could interpose in their collective character as parties to the Constitution against usurped power. It was not necessary for the object & reasoning of the resolutions & report that the mode should be pointed out. It was sufficient to shew that the authority to interpose existed, and was a resort beyond that of the Supreme Court of the U. S. or any authority derived from the Constitution [Congress and President].” James Madison – 1834 Notes on Nullification
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/mjmtext:@field(DOCID+@lit(jm090163))
http://www.constitution.org/cons/virg1798.htm
So, we have peaceful means to oppose domestic Federal tyranny. Violence is not needed or warranted unless peaceful methods of opposing Federal tyranny (violation of the people’s God-given unalienable rights to life, liberty and fruit of labor in pursuit of happiness) are met with Federal violence. Violence in defense of unalienable human rights is not the same as violence destructive of unalienable human rights. Our Founding fathers used violence in the first instance (liberating strife) while King George III used violence in the latter instance (tyrannical violence).
This is an interesting profile or narrative that DHS is trying to create.
Too bad for DHS that I don’t fit the profile.
While I actually do believe that the government is deliberately stripping Americans of their constitutional rights in an attempt to establish a totalitarian regime, I don’t belong to any militia, nor do I own a firearm, or advocate any type of armed resisitance whatsoever.
You see, I believe that the pen is mightier than the sword and the truth will out eventually, if we have the courage to tell it.
Hear! Hear! Excellent reply.
Funny, Chamberlain thought the same way about the pen when he sat down with Hitler in Munich, 1938. Pay more attention in history class people, ffs.
The government bureaucracy is “supposed” to be apolitical in its implementation of regulation and law. Under the Obama administration it has become hyper political. Even more disturbing was the emasculation of DHS under Bush when Islamists were legitimately targeted. What’s the point in having guidelines which are usless in identifying the real threats? This is simply part of the Leftist disinformation campaign to render the country ineffective at defending itself. Even Napolitano is not so stupid to believe that this is reasonable policy.
“Groups or individuals who provide support to terrorism without knowing that their actions are contributing to terrorism. Such individuals may suspect that they are being used. Not all unwitting co-optees are engaging in criminal behavior.”
Would this be like using the gun dealers to smuggle weapons to the drug cartels, and terrorist groups like Hezbollah? It was this government that did that. Projecting again. Just like the shooting of the judge and Gabrielle Gifford. Orchestrating it themselves and blaming Sarah Palin and the Tea Party? These people need to be charged as the criminals they are. They know they’re targeting United States citizens, while the government is committing the crimes.
So, how closely are we following the Venezuelan plan? Do we remember the way that al-’Bama was greeted by Hugo?
Do we remember the way that the administration went after Honduras for cutting Zelaya’s comparable take over attempt?
Venezuela was turned from a republic to a dictatorship in the same manner as Rome. Are we on track here?
Well, if you support our consitution, it does say, anyone with weapons needs to be trained in their usage, if you support our constitution, it says illegal immigration is illegal, and they should be kicked out as has been done twice before in our history, if you want to say I am a violent terrorists by not supporting illegal immigration, fine, pay me for my ideas and I will go to a society that believes in capitalism. I have been abused in this country for a very large portion of my life.
NO American will be safe. I don’t care if you are the purest Church Lady, the cutest dimple-cheeked Child, or the most decorated Policeman.
Some “miffed” bureaucrat or underling. Some neighbor who covets your wife, or dislikes your Christmas light display could have “dropped a line” describing you as a “terrorist”, and the next time you are pulled over for a traffic stop, you are whisked away to never be heard from again.
NOW, the Government thinks it is just going to start arresting People and ignoring their RIGHTS, and “revoking” the IRREVOCABLE CITIZENSHIP of AMERICANS, just like the NAZI thugs that they are.
I pondered that a bit and just off the top of my head thought of these points. PLEASE add your thoughts.
(1) Police Officers will be shot because they pull over a car for a traffic offense, and the occupant, fearing INDEFINITE DETENTION, comes out shooting.
(2) Police Officers will respond by having to turn every traffic stop into a multi-car armored STAGE SHOW.
(3) Police Officers will over react and shoot innocent Citizens.
(4) Police Officers will be shunned and ostracized. Ambushes of police will occur.
(5) Turnabout — People will “spot” where Federal Families live. When some Citizen “disappears”,
a Federal Family member may well “disappear” in retaliation.
(6) Someone’s Family member disappears, they go lay along the road with a deer rifle until the first COP drives by ………..
(7) People stage “accidents” and when the government workers show up …. They become HOSTAGES.
(8) Government work areas will become ‘free fire zones”. How will anyone work with bullets flying around?
(9) America will devolve into chaos and collapse. Police will not be able to maintain order.
(10) CALTROPS dropped through holes in car floors, or tossed off bridges, turn “rush hour” into nightmares.
BE AFRAID ……………. BE VERY AFRAID
I enjoy reading the commenters that defend what is indefensible. The first 10 amendments, the Bill of Rights, shall not be abridged. But you have what maybe started with sobriety checkpoints, then the TSA at airports, then the TSA at interstate checkpoints. Think of how many times your 4th and 5th amendment rights are violated? And think of who anyone associates with and they could instantly call that a group? Two is a group and you have Janet, the system worked, Incompetano and her ilk destroying this country.
The key phrase in the very first sentence is “facilitate or engage in acts of violence directed at federal, state, or local government officials or infrastructure”. Everything else is context. You have to actually ignore this key phrase in order to believe that the lexicon targets as ‘militia extremists’ all those who oppose government regulation and overreach.
Sure there are other kinds of violent criminals – but any group, including Second Amendment advocates, includes some idiots and some villains, and this paragraph clearly refers to those villains. Niven’s law: no cause is so noble that it won’t attract fuggheads.
OK, Let’s play a little game called “Terrorist or Patriot?…
Kevin William Harpham…planted a pipe bomb on the route of a MLK day parade.
Terrorist, or Patriot?
Jim David Adkisson opens fire on the congregation of a Unitarian Church in Knoxville, Tennessee, killing two people and seriously wounding six…”I’d like to encourage other like-minded people to do what I’ve done,” Adkisson wrote. “If life ain’t worth living anymore don’t just kill yourself. Do something for your country. Go kill liberals.”
Terrorist, or Patriot?
Daniel Cowart and Paul Schlesselman; convicted of planning a murder spree targeting blacks and start a race war.
terrorists, or Patriots?
James Cummings, shot to death by his wife after years of abuse. Police search his home, find materials and plans for a “dirty bomb.” Cummings was reportedly “very upset” over the election of President Obama.
Terrorist, or Patriot?
Shawna Forde, the leader of Minuteman American Defense leads a home invasion kills a Hispanic man and his 9 year old daughter.
Terrorist, or Patriot?
William Krar, arrested in Texas with an arsenal of automatic weapons, pipe bombs, anti-government literature and all the material to build a cyanide bomb capable of killing thousands…only caught because he sent details of his plan to the wrong address…whoever he was communicating with is still out there.
Terrorist, or Patriot?
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Not everyone who owns a gun or dislikes the current administration is a terrorist, but there are more than few seriously dangerous people out there who fit the DHS description. Do you really think it’s a good idea to ignore people like William Krar?
I am sure that no one here is suggesting that people the nut-cases you cite should be ignored. I certainly am not. What alarms me is that Big Brother may be overlooking those nut-cases and others like them in his zeal to target law-abiding gun owners.
You do realize, you have a better chance of being killed by bee sting or a bear, than being killed by a terrorist, right? You do realize that tough guy? Maybe we should war on bees. Or how bout we regress to 35,000 years ago and war on megafauna? Fireworks are more dangerous than terrorists. Seriously. War on fireworks? More than half the plots the FBI foiled in recent years were concocted by entrapment where the FBI paid agent provocateurs 6 figures per sting to infiltrate mosques and recruit unsuspecting, naive, low educated, unemployed, empathetic of war victims gents to first propagandize toward extremism then convince to carry out “terror” plots that were the design of the agent provocateur in conspiracy with the feds to criminally entrap the guys they then proclaim terror suspects. Every bit of the weaponry the people had in these plots was provided to them by the feds through the agent provocateurs. MORE THAN HALF THE TERROR ARRESTS by the FBI followed this mode of operation which is a crime committed by the FBI, the big cash grabbing agent provocateur AND the federal judges who have allowed these grossly criminal transgressions against US citizens. The other side of the equation, the less than half that cook up their own terror plots, probably some of them are agents doing false flag terrorism and the others could be fully dissuaded from doing that nonsense merely by the US Federal government living within the confines of the Constitution, not doing criminal war in foreign lands against nations that didn’t attack the US and against common people, by these wars massively murdering civilians, 10s of thousands in Afghanistan and 1m in Iraq, while the Gov profits off these criminal wars of aggression. If the government stopped doing it’s criminality, the people who are attempting these terror attacks against the US government and representatives wouldn’t even consider doing what they did. More criminality that would have to be stopped is that the Fed Gov is murdering The People of the USA by finance and failing healthcare, Fukushima nuclear melt down got in the ground and is screaming toward the mantle which is probably going to cause a super volcano. Last I heard it was 230 TONS of nuke blob 100s of feet under the plant constantly growing and spewing radioactive steam as ground water falls on it, contaminating the Pacific and the atmosphere and the land and food GLOBALLY especially falling out heavily everywhere the JETSTREAM is flying over. The governments response was to increase X100,000 the “permissible levels” of certain radioactive isotopes that are DEADLY at that level. 14,000 MORE people have died since it started in the USA, especially in the north west. If the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT wasn’t so murderous, people wouldn’t be trying to find ways to act against them. 9/11 was an inside job OBVIOUSLY, reference WTC 7 that housed the FBI’s case files and fell mysteriously exactly like a controlled demolition. Oklahoma city was an inside job reference Brigadier General Benton K. Partin’s report on the forensics of the demolition. It couldn’t possibly have been a fertilizer bomb in a truck outside the building that caused the blast, #1 because fertilizer bombs spread ammonium nitrate far and wide 90% of the material in the bomb is not burnt during the blast of an ammonium nitrate bomb. PLUS the blast evidence shows the blast occurred inside the building on the back of the columns which were sheared and shattered while the front of the columns were mostly intact. The blast killed babies mostly and no ATF agents. Obviously it was a psychological warfare operation. It’s claimed McVeigh was not in the Army when a photographer took a video of him in a tank on a military base. Obviously he was working for the government and probably still is. Obviously they have the power to rig an execution to seem real. There aren’t so many sharp witnesses that they couldn’t buy everybody in the room and carry out a mock execution for the camera. Anyhow, your rolling out this propaganda nonsense trying to say the DHS is ok to target Constitutionally protected activities because terrorists MIGHT catch up to bees and sharks and bears and fireworks as a death toll in the US is poppycock, undulating crap, total bullshit propaganda psyop psychological warfare nonsense criminality to be for hire spreading fear on the internet in the USA employed by agencies of the federal government criminal corporate cronies of Rothschild.
I think I’m having trouble posting my comment to you because it’s too long. So I’m going to post it to several replies below as the reply on your comment will disappear after I post 1 comment in reply to you.
You do realize, you have a better chance of being killed by bee sting or a bear, than being killed by a terrorist, right? You do realize that tough guy? Maybe we should war on bees. Or how bout we regress to 35,000 years ago and war on megafauna? Fireworks are more dangerous than terrorists. Seriously. War on fireworks? More than half the plots the FBI foiled in recent years were concocted by entrapment where the FBI paid agent provocateurs 6 figures per sting to infiltrate mosques and recruit unsuspecting, naive, low educated, unemployed, empathetic of war victims gents to first propagandize toward extremism then convince to carry out “terror” plots that were the design of the agent provocateur in conspiracy with the feds to criminally entrap the guys they then proclaim terror suspects. Every bit of the weaponry the people had in these plots was provided to them by the feds through the agent provocateurs. MORE THAN HALF THE TERROR ARRESTS by the FBI followed this mode of operation which is a crime committed by the FBI, the big cash grabbing agent provocateur AND the federal judges who have allowed these grossly criminal transgressions against US citizens. The other side of the equation, the less than half that cook up their own terror plots, probably some of them are agents doing false flag terrorism and the others could be fully dissuaded from doing that nonsense merely by the US Federal government living within the confines of the Constitution, not doing criminal war in foreign lands against nations that didn’t attack the US and against common people, by these wars massively murdering civilians, 10s of thousands in Afghanistan and 1m in Iraq, while the Gov profits off these criminal wars of aggression. If the government stopped doing it’s criminality, the people who are attempting these terror attacks against the US government and representatives wouldn’t even consider doing what they did. More criminality that would have to be stopped is that the Fed Gov is murdering The People of the USA by finance and failing healthcare, Fukushima nuclear melt down got in the ground and is screaming toward the mantle which is probably going to cause a super volcano. Last I heard it was 230 TONS of nuke blob 100s of feet under the plant constantly growing and spewing radioactive steam as ground water falls on it, contaminating the Pacific and the atmosphere and the land and food GLOBALLY especially falling out heavily everywhere the JETSTREAM is flying over. The governments response was to increase X100,000 the “permissible levels” of certain radioactive isotopes that are DEADLY at that level. 14,000 MORE people have died since it started in the USA, especially in the north west. If the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT wasn’t so murderous, people wouldn’t be trying to find ways to act against them.
“in response to their belief that the government deliberately is stripping Americans of their freedoms and is attempting to establish a totalitarian regime.”
It is not a belief, it is a verifiable fact. This is simply an attempt by tyrants to “outlaw” resistance to criminal activity. It didn’t work in 1770′s it won’t work now.
@A Hermit – Sorry to use your comment Drutch to reply to A Hermit, but this comment system only lets you post 1 reply to a comment and my comment in response to A Hermit is longer than would fit in 1 comment.
9/11 was an inside job OBVIOUSLY, reference WTC 7 that housed the FBI’s case files and fell mysteriously exactly like a controlled demolition. Oklahoma city was an inside job reference Brigadier General Benton K. Partin’s report on the forensics of the demolition. It couldn’t possibly have been a fertilizer bomb in a truck outside the building that caused the blast, #1 because fertilizer bombs spread ammonium nitrate far and wide 90% of the material in the bomb is not burnt during the blast of an ammonium nitrate bomb. PLUS the blast evidence shows the blast occurred inside the building on the back of the columns which were sheared and shattered while the front of the columns were mostly intact. The blast killed babies mostly and no ATF agents. Obviously it was a psychological warfare operation. It’s claimed McVeigh was not in the Army when a photographer took a video of him in a tank on a military base. Obviously he was working for the government and probably still is. Obviously they have the power to rig an execution to seem real. There aren’t so many sharp witnesses that they couldn’t buy everybody in the room and carry out a mock execution for the camera.
@A Hermit
Anyhow, your rolling out this propaganda nonsense trying to say the DHS is ok to target Constitutionally protected activities because terrorists MIGHT catch up to bees and sharks and bears and fireworks as a death toll in the US is poppycock, undulating crap, total bullshit propaganda psyop psychological warfare nonsense criminality to be for hire spreading fear on the internet in the USA employed by agencies of the federal government criminal corporate cronies of Rothschild.
PPL LIKE U SHOULD GO LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE U HAVN’T A CLUE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WAS COMPLETLY BLOWN OFF . i GUESS YOUR LIKE ROSIE SAYING Steel DON’T MELT. HOW DO U THINK IT’S Made ! u are dumb man i mean it.!!
So, according to the definition, all returning military vets are considered “militia extremists” based on their basic training by THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.
And this means that the Commander in Chief of these “militia extremists” is none other than Barrack Hussein Obama himself.
But, we all know that the Liberal operation manual requires “them” to invoke the “No I’m not; You are” defense. That trumps the Constitution every time, and absolves the Liberal of all offenses.
Our Founding Fathers could never have imagined that America would be administered by the most incompetent, petulant, juveniles to ever inhabit our borders.
We have seen the enemy and he is us … me …I …we … them …you
I will give up my gun when they pry my cold dead fingers from around it !
Guess that make me their (DHS) enemy huh ?
Subcommittee Hearing: DHS Monitoring of Social Networking and Media: Enhancing Intelligence Gathering and Ensuring Privacy http://homeland.house.gov/hearing/subcommittee-hearing-dhs-monitoring-social-networking-and-media-enhancing-intelligence
It’s amazing the utterly parnoid nonsense that passes for political analysis these days.
Paranoia is irrational belief; belief in something that is not true. Suspicious paranoia is belief in something that is not really there. Blind paranoia is belief that something does not exist, when in fact it does. It is clear that blind fools – those suffering from blind paranoia – will address those able to see truth with an accusation of paranoia.
“…in response to their belief that the government deliberately is stripping Americans of their freedoms and is attempting to establish a totalitarian regime. These individuals consequently oppose many federal and state authorities’ laws and regulations, (particularly those related to firearms ownership), and often belong to armed paramilitary groups.”
Napolitano left off “and the Catholic Church”
so if you like to hunt and fish and do out door things in bear country then wearing a side arm means you are against the gov…..the nataoal riflemens acc..was first made for hunters not malitas so if belonging to the N.R.A.means what?????????? what is the right to bear arms what is the deffantion of this…the right to bear arms is this not fire arms lets not call hunters that have guns weapons lets caLL IT FIRE ARMS OK GET THIS STRIGHT BEFORE YOU GET IT OUT OF HAND…..WHY DONT THE GOV..ASK ALL THE PEOPLE IF THEY HUNT OR LIKE TO HUNT BEFORE THEY SAY THAT HUNTERS ARE MALATENTS …THAT WILL SURE WASTE A LOT OF TAX PAYERS MONEY…..TELL YOU WHAT LOOK AT HOW MUCH MONEY HUNTING BRINGSW IN I WOULD THINK TWICE ABOUT STERIO YTYPING ALL PEOPLE THAT WANT THE 2 AMENDMENT THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS …..
wait a dam minute. wasn’t this homeland security bunch started to fight terrorism after 9-11?
terrorism (webster online): the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coersion.
would that be like systematically selling thousands of guns to murdering drug dealers to kill hundreds and terrorize millions of Americans along the border, so as to be able to use the expanding numbers of deaths to coerse (compel) Americans to give up their rights? hmmmm.
guess they need to go after extremists instead or else redefine terrorism.
If Obama gets in for a second term because of inept Republican candidates who shoot themselves and each other in their feet or some other unforeseen catastrophe, in little time we WILL see a growth of militia extremists and I can guarantee they will include an overwhelming percentage of enlisted men and law enforcement men and women who are becoming increasingly incensed with everything initiated in the White House. I’m an octogenarian and I don’t own a gun but I’m ready to join a militia if they’ll have me.
Im willing to teach an old dog new tricks Andy .
Just saying…If I still have that right…The approval rate of our government is well below 50%. Just maybe it could be because of their actions, I’m just guessing. Could be because of their actions that they have generated the dissent that they are referring too. I don’t know just speculating. Could be that their in fear of losing their authority. Simple math tells me with the approval rating well below 50% that they are sorely out numbered. Throughout history when you lose support of the masses, the only way to maintain power is though fear, intimation, and force. Usually in the long run it doesn’t work out well for that form of government. Just saying…IF I STILL HAVE THAT RIGHT…
Your point is well taken. Just speculating but, for better response, use your spell checker next time.
I don’t see any HOPE, but I sure see a lot of CHANGE…Anyone that supports this administration better like kissing their rights away. Better get ready for a crash diet…
“Urban Area Fusion Center?”
Obama claims that is his forte. They are so confused.
Patrick,
In the U.S. sworn officers have to follow the law, and legislation and regulations are inferior to the Constitution. The liability for failing to understand this is on the individual attempting to enforce an unconstitutional regulation, and both SCOTUS precedents going back to the beginnings of this republic and current federal civil rights law warns all officers that if they violate the protected rights of citizens they could find themselves charged with a federal crime which they would have to defend in court with their own money. Never be afraid when the Constitution is on your side and a federal officer commits crimes under color of law.
As long as the DHS, TSA, FBI, and the White House and congress refuse to say outloud who did the attacks of 9-11-2001, the TSA is nothing but molesters led by Janet the molester. They have had ten years to come clean and all we get is more and more murdering of innocent people and some whack version of Christianity which misses the point altogether to complement open sexually driven molestation of children and adults, as well as personally embarassing elderly people with sick demands.
I have hours of video evidence on Janet being a molester of children as well as adults by proxy through the TSA, more evidence than all the agencies above will be able to gather on every justifiably fed up American. TSA, go to Hell. You don’t know angry.
November 10th 2011. The Marine Corp Birthday.
I wonder if the Bull Dike hates those who love their country, Constitution, and Bill of Rights too? It sure seems like the New Age where there are only crimes against the State, and USMC bumper stickers make an individual as an extremist.
Does anyone think the Bull Dike,(a flag holder of the global government), has her one good eye on this web site?
“It’s amazing the utterly parnoid nonsense that passes for political analysis these days.”
Only a fool wouldn’t be paranoid given the history of the Democrat Party over the last hundred and fifty years.
And, the more power they get, the more paranoid folks ought to be.
And why would the government worry that people would suspect that a totalitarian regime was in the works if they were not trying to make one? Honestly, is politics entirely filled with C students?
Is the gov’t arguing that they are stripping freedoms unwittingly rather than deliberately? Why put in such language?
“Well, yes, we’re doing that – okay. But, ummm, not on purpose so, umm, heh-heh, don’t be angry. We’re on top of the situation. Okay yeah it’d be different if we were doing that on purpose, but no – uh-uh, it’s an accident. So, nothing to see here so go back to your ranch or enclave or whatever.”
All the “extremism” is coming from the guberment and all its agencies. It must be disappointing for them to see average human beings react in a way unexceptionable to their fascists ideals. But this is nothing and our gubers and gomers leading our nation know it. They are masters of intimidation, deception and manipulation against their enemies. And now, THEY have made US their enemy. They can’t contain us all and when they try….we will be the ones doing the containing.
There is a book titled “Unintended Consequences” by John Ross(I think). It is a bit dated, but worth the read. It tells a story of the people pushing back against the government.
The discusion of the 2nd Amendment is null and void. We are now living in a post Constitutional Era. There are no areas of the Constitution that are not being violated. The 230+ year experiment in self government is failing fast. Its just a matter of time when we will experience a crash due to economic, social, or world events.. The thing is we will all go down together.
If the lovers of the constitution and the Republic are extremists/terrorists, what are the occupiers, who rape, murder, defecate on the flag and streets and alters…??? What planet am I living on???
“what are the occupiers, who rape, murder, defecate on the flag and streets and alters…???”
i’m sure you already know the answer to this
these vermin are victims of the koch brothers and HALLIBURTON
Did you all miss the part that reads “Groups or individuals who facilitate or engage in acts of violence directed at federal, state, or local government officials or infrastructure”? “Facilitate or engage in ***acts of violence***”!!!
They are including paramilitary groups and traning. I would like to know what they are doing about the “muslim brotherhood” paramilitary camps and training that is going on in our country?
Proud to be a “Militia Extremeist”
Welcome to the Revolution
EPIC v. Department of Homeland Security: Media Monitoring Seeking Disclosure of Records Detailing the Department of Homeland Security’s Media Monitoring Activities.
In February 2011, the Department of Homeland Security announced that the agency planned to implement a program that would monitor media content, including social media data. The proposed initiatives would gather information from “online forums, blogs, public websites, and messages boards” and disseminate information to “federal, state, local, and foreign government and private sector partners.” The program would be executed, in part, by individuals who established fictitious usernames and passwords to create covert social media profiles to spy on other users. The agency stated it would store personal information for up to five years. http://epic.org/foia/epic-v-dhs-media-monitoring/
To be fair, I think its important to consider the first part of the memo: “Groups or individuals who facilitate or engage in acts of violence directed at federal, state, or local government officials or infrastructure in response to their belief that the government deliberately is stripping Americans of their freedoms and is attempting to establish a totalitarian regime.”
I f you do acts of violence against local,state or federal government,than I think the title “extremist” is fair. We have not come to the point(yet)of considering that kind of action and I pray we never do because then all we will have is anarchy.
OMG!!! IF I READ THIS CORRECTLY = I could be one of “them” – I have been sharing and posting a lot things that support Ron Paul. I’m 74 – am battling cancer. If I should disappear I hope someone raises a real ruckus. But think I will continue to post and share til’ they take me away. RON PAUL 2012!!!
I am proud to one of the Right wing Extremest as defined by this lexicon. I support the constitution and all the amendments including the 2nd. Put my name at the top of your list Janet!!
Brett has summed up my sentiments exactly. I am proud to be a Constitutionalist, so Janet, you can put me at the top of your list too!
Don’t breathe outside under the Jetstream “militia extremist” folks. Fukushima is still a raging nuclear melt down. They lost the core into the ground last year and still haven’t halted the meltdown. We should be seeing a super volcano when it hits the mantle, I’m guessing that’ll be December to fulfil the Mayan prophecy. Earth’s crust is pretty thin there at the shore line on the ring of fire. So you might need a way to dig and drill out of your bunker and even better an ecosystem like a fish tank with the appropriate bacteria to break down poo and algae to eat that fertilizer to feed the fish. About 2 ft square of algae is enough for 1 person, so you might need a couple 55 gallon fish tanks if you have a family. I’m going to have an extensive tunnel network dug before I come up for air.
All this time I thought that I was just paranoid dillusional, they really are out to get me.
I’m sorry, but I think I just blew a ragged hole in your ideas. I am a Socialist who is in a militia, go to college, own a gun, has a job, and believes in the Constitution.
In order to fan off the internet backdraft, let me give a brief explanation.
Socialist: One who believes in Socialism. Socialism is when the workers, those who perform the actual work, control the means of production by which labor is used in a society in order to provide goods and services.
Militia: Armed group of private citizens concerned for the community.
College: A really expensive sleepaway version of high school where one can earn advanced degrees and qualifications for high end jobs.
Gun: A firearm- a weapon; the things protected by the second amendment.
Job: The means by which I make my own income to pay for some of my own expenses.
Constitution: The supreme law of the land. It gives the Congress and the President and the Courts their structures, powers, roles, and limitations. It also contains provisions which allow for change and it also features amendments which add more things on to the end which were not vital to the core document itself. The Constitution can be changed through the proper amendment process and it is meant to be interpreted with the times.
“Socialism is when the workers, those who perform the actual work, control the means of production…”
Fair enough, but I define it slightly differently.
If what you describe is done privately (and voluntarily), then it’s capitalism, and you’re just shareholders in a joint stock company arrangement.
Socialism is when the government controls.
“b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state”
When I say socialism, that’s the definition I use. Except, ownership is a meaningless legal fiction, and control is all important.
This is the early wave of attacking the second amendment and taking our right to bear arms away. They are going to try and tie the Regulated militia and peoples right to bear arms together. I have said this long ago to friends that be careful what you wish for, because as they “give”(saying this tongue in cheek) you your right to muster a militia, then they also grab their right (in their deluded minds)to “regulate”, (read register, control, dicdate etc) firearms of the militia. if you claim to be a part of the militia then they get to name the form and method of “well regulated”
Their main problem has always been “How do we take their guns away without a blood bath?” Make no mistake, they are coming for our last defense against a totalitarian government.
When do the t-shirts come out?
Come on now, let’s not go overboard here. The notice clearly right up front reads: “Groups or individuals who facilitate or engage in acts of violence…” as a pivotal part of the definition of extremist.
I get your point, we all do. But let’s not go overboard and fail to realize that some people out there are indeed “extremists” who agree philosophically with many things that all true Conservatives believe in…
Well then, if it is tyranny they desire so badly they have classified me, an American who never broke a law, obeyed the rules, and paid my taxes, then lets see how these ruling idiots like it when they have to live without the protections of the US Constitution.
Because this tyranny is meant to replace democracy, when it does I still get to vote. But it ain’t gonna be by ballot box, it is gonna be by cartridge box. And those protections? They work both ways, or not at all.
I ain’t having none of this dictator crap. Adolph Hitler said it best that “it is convenient to have a set of laws where everyone is a criminal”
You know what? He was right, when your a dictator.
Except this is America by God…
“Groups or individuals who facilitate or engage in acts of violence directed at federal, state, or local government officials or infrastructure in response to their belief that the government deliberately is stripping Americans of their freedoms and is attempting to establish a totalitarian regime.” If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck and quacks like a duck… it’s a duck.
In a following story, Reuters has an update to extremist meaning.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/07/us-usa-fbi-extremists-idUSTRE81600V20120207
Hope this link will work.
If this were 1774 these whoosey government dooshes would be at the bottom of the Boston Harbor, so they should consider themselves lucky they are trying this crap now.
I find it amusing that each person commenting so far , almost without exception is using this article to support his own personal candidate and , slam those they do not support without any tangible or creditable proof . What they produce is mere opinions or facts twisted in support of their own views . Well I can not change any of that as you are each entitled to your own opinion . And opinions being like butt holes (everybody has one) I will only point out that the cheap wanna be dictator in office has pushed his agenda and his gang of trolls , Holder , Harry reid , Nancy Pelosi , Maxine Waters and Hillery Clinton and others have been carrying it out with gusto .
As David above pointed out , if this were 1774 , those government morons would be floating in Boston Harbor . And in reality , they should count themselves lucky if they get a single vote come re-election time . It is time for a wakeup call America , and no matter who your personal choice for Republican candidate is , you must all stand behind the party choice like him or not . None of those now seeking nomination are ideal , some are less than ideal , but if we allow Obama to play on our personal dissatisfactions , we will surely see another 4years of him and the destruction of America . He is eating this infighting up because it will allow his agenda to be carried out . Focus on the real problem and hold the one we elect to campaign promises , kick out the dead wood in Congress and the senate , and send Obama and the drones packing .
Washington is not about insiders people , it is about America and the people of America . For to long we have been in steady decline , those who have tried to correct this decline have had to battle obstructionists in either Congress or the Senate . The two party system works and has worked in past . But one party is now a leftist Socialist group of elites and the other is a bunch of confused idealists . If we look to our founding fathers , a group of pretty smart men , we will find the answers and ways to correct our decay .
A question for all you 2nd Amendment-loving patriots: where does a newbie go to learn to handle firearms properly and also just to find like-minded folks? My sister and I live in West LA and the Beverly Hills Gun Club no longer exists. I don’t know a soul here who owns a gun. Does the NRA have local chapters in places like West LA? I think if we lived in Texas this would be easier!
Barry Sotoro’s people lied last Monday when the New York Times asked them if they knew the Cardova Brothers from Chicago who had made a $200,000 contibutiion to Barry’s campaign. Barry’s Boy’s said they did not know these bundlers. The same day Barry’s boys returned the $200,00. If the “Times” had not mentioned this. . . Would Barry have returned the cash. . These brothers have a brother . . Peppi Cardova . . in Mexico who was indicted for check fraud and drug dealings in Iowa. . in 1994. The Cordova brothers have asked the Govenor of Iowa to dismiss the charges so Peppi can again reside in the USA. Peppi has contributed 1.3 million to political campaigns in northern Mexico, and has been accused of gangland activities in northern Mexico. Now we can start to understand why this administration thought it was a good idea to allow guns to be bought and carried into Mexico “Fast and Furious” . . Barry and his right hand girl, Hillary wants to take the guns away from the citizens of this country and put them in the hands of the illegals. . .God Help Us if Barry is reelected
the government must complete the fast and furious investigation and stop inventing other agendas to cloud the problems created by HOLDER.
Does this mean that DHS is going to buy another 450,000,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition?
They do not care “O” is making up his own rules and printing up money where he sees fit because—> that’s what he has been doing for quite sometime since he started changing our country — he tried, doing, and continue to do so for the worse. An they call us “Militia Extremists”. At least we are not ruining the America that our fore fathers fought, bleed, and died for in the revolutionary war or even trying to change it! Be a man vote for what your heart tells you and what “O” has done since he has been in Office by using your brain and your head (besides just as a hat rack) and not just because the color of a mans’ skin color. I wouldn’t care if they are black, white, yellow, or even green as long as they do the country right and leave the US Constitution alone and leave state issues to the state. It’s nothing to do about race, its seems to be thrown up (the race card) every time something doesn’t go the way a black person wants it to go. Well before some one tries saying I am a racist- I am native Indian, English, and African American — yes I said black. Even African American people are pissed. But I am a Educated American and can and will make up my own decisions w/o basing it just on a mans skin color or deceiving a group of people by making them believe that they can vote using a blue ink pen… blue ink doesn’t register in the voting machines – only black ink registers. That was tried on a lot of white people in many counties in both New York and SC as well as many others. I on the other hand was not stupid, I worked for the government and knew this from the get go so I took my own black ink pen after hearing people complained about they were given blue pens instead of black ink pens. So VOTERS BEWARE OF THE TRICKERY that goes on even at the voting stations – even threats and people were being accompanied by hate groups to vote for “O”. But when it was mentioned on the news, it was quickly taken off air and reported as miss information. Just be careful and vote what your heart desires and your brain that God gave you to vote with.
‘Political signs and bumper stickers were also suspect, with the Revolutionary War-era “Gadsden flag” specifically called out as a “militia symbol.”‘
The only violence in modern times I know of associated with the Gadsden Flag was when SEIU thugs attacked a guy who was selling such items near a St. Louis-area “town hall” meeting maybe two years ago. (The victim was black, & they barked like the racists the Left reflexively claims *we* are.)
By labeling people like us potential terrorists, government functionaries (who likely forget for whom they are supposed to work) identify themselves as potential or active *fascists*. This should help prepare us for treating them accordingly–should it become necessary.