Eric Holder Should Be Careful of What He Wishes For
Barack Obama offered us the promise of a post-racial presidency. So far it is not panning out as advertised. Attorney General Eric Holder’s “cowards” speech didn’t go over well with commentators at either end of the political spectrum. Bill Kristol on Fox News Sunday had this to say:
Eric Holder is the attorney general of the United States. This was a speech given in his official capacity at the Justice Department. It is a total disgrace — a total disgrace — for the attorney general of the United States to stand up there and say in his formal prepared remarks that this is a nation of cowards. What could he be thinking?
I mean, he really should be forced to apologize. He, in fact, has gotten a total walk. Phil Gramm was denounced. John McCain had to say, “Oh, my God, my informal adviser said we were whining too much.”
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Maureen Dowd was equally critical:
Eric Holder, who showed precious little bravery in standing up to Clinton on a pardon for the scoundrel Marc Rich, is wrong. We have just inaugurated a black president who installed a black attorney general.
In the middle of all the Heimlich maneuvers required now — for the economy, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, health care, the environment, and education — we don’t need a Jackson/Sharpton-style lecture on race. Barack Obama’s election was supposed to get us past that.
It remains a bit of a mystery as to what type of discussion Holder wants us to have. Does he really want whites and African Americans arguing in coffee shops and loading docks as to why the rate of out-of-wedlock birth rates for African Americans is so high? Does he intend to have college admissions officers candidly discuss the degree to which they employ race-based preferences at elite universities? Probably not.
There is more to quibble with than the specifics of Holder’s language, however. It is apparent from even a cursory review of racial politics in the last few decades that the premise of the speech — that we have not spent enough time or energy dealing with race in this country — is seriously flawed. Indeed, in the name of accounting for our past racial sins and correcting ongoing inequality we have become a country immersed in racial discussion and are awash in race-based preferences in employment, university admissions, and government contracting.
Nowhere is this phenomenon more evident than in the private sector workplace, where this issue is often subsumed under the buzz word of “diversity.” Most Fortune 500 companies have policies, personnel, and resources devoted to instructing and cajoling employees to promote and hire racial minorities. But this goes far beyond merely prohibiting illegal discrimination.
Roger Clegg, president of the Center for Equal Opportunity, in testimony before the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission in 2006 (updated in 2007), observed that the obsession with trying to rebalance the racial composition of American workplaces has consumed private entities for years. He reported:
There is a significant amount of discrimination taking place now in the name of diversity. Eight out of ten business executives said that affirmative-action programs had resulted in them giving jobs and promotions to applicants who were less qualified than others. … HR Magazine reported in 1998 that “executive recruiters confirm that more and more companies are placing orders specifically for females and ethnic minorities.” The Center for Equal Opportunity, too, has found that frequently recruiters brag about their ability to find diversity hires for companies.
We are not talking about perfectly legal and appropriate efforts simply to recruit broadly, prevent bias in the workplace, or root out illegal discrimination. What is at issue here is the institutionalization of efforts – in the name of diversity — to recruit, hire, and promote minority employees who are less qualified than their peers in order to boost numbers of minorities in the workplace. In many large and medium-sized companies, executives are judged and compensated specifically on fulfilling diversity goals, which are thinly disguised quotas based on illegal racial and ethnic preferences. Clegg documents that this is par for the course at major employers including Wal-Mart, Kodak, Cisco Systems, BellSouth, Bank of America, and NBC. These are just a few of the country’s employers which reward and penalize managers based on how they rate in hiring and promoting minorities.
Oh my gosh-I actually agree with something said by Maureen Dowd!
Is it also cowardly to speak truth of leftists?
Angela Davis and a Curious Twilght Zone
There are only two workable explanations for what’s been going on in our country lately, and I am not speaking of the election as president of Barack Hussein Obama but rather what has happened since November 4th.
One is the Alice-interpretation, that things are getting curiouser and curiouser because we’ve evidently entered Alice’s Wonderland, with a twist: We haven’t fallen down a rabbit hole but a rathole and the denizens down below aren’t quite as cute as caterpillars and mock turtles; they’re more like vermin and reptiles. That’s just one explanation for the state of the nation.
The other is even more sinister and more filled with foreboding, namely that we’ve entered a Twilight Zone of sorts and what we’re witnessing are the final, gasping death throes of a once-great country, a once-shining light on a hill being snuffed out with apparent intention.
How else to explain the Washington chaos masked as super-confident leadership in which cabinet and other high level nominees are repeatedly caught as tax cheats with their fiscal trousers down and one even slithering through and becoming Secretary of the Treasury? How else do we explain the passage of the most humungous spending bill in the history of the planet with nary a senator having deigned to read the damned thing? How else do we explain a tax hike planned at the same time we are told we may be entering the Second Great Depression?
Curiouser and curiouser, or national suicide? Only time will tell and time has a way of telling unpleasant truths in a very gradual manner.
Only the latest of curious happenings in the United States is the celebration, the lauding, of “one of America’s most notable” African Americans, a person who had been involved in a murder of a judge, involved in promoting the violent overththrow of our government, involved with the Communist Party, among other unseemly and seditious associations.
And, no, I’m not referring to Bill Ayers, political advisor and confidante of our new president as well as the probable author of Obama’s “autobiography/memoir.” Bill, like the Reverend (God Damn America!) Wright, is patiently awaiting Americans’ short memories to kick in. Besides, Ayers is not African American.
Rather, I refer to one, Ms. Angela Davis.
The ever-objective Wikipedia describes Angela Davis as “an American political activist” then goes on to mention the groups with which she carried on her activities: the “Black Panther Party for Self Defense,” the “Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee,” (SNCC), the American Communist Party, and Jim Jones’ People’s Temple, among others.
Organizational names, especially those established to overthrow constitutionally elected government, can be very deceiving.
The American Communist Party, of course, speaks for itself and, fortunately, for few others in this country; Davis was its vice presidential candidate in 1980.
The Black Panthers may be described as a political activists as well, if we overlook their association with the Black Muslims and their multiple crimes detailed here: http://caosblog.com/5738. Co-founded by Bobby Seale and Huey Newton, after Seale was court martialed and thrown out of the Air Force with a bad conduct discharge, the Black Muslims and that pair of admirable citizens pair went on to commit murder and wreak mayhem.
(In an odd commentary as introduction to a documentary on Huey, PBS indicated he was “originally born in a small town in Louisiana,” so where his subsequent births occurred is difficult to pin down: http://www.pbs.org/hueypnewton/)
Then there’s SNCC and its most renouned agitator, Stokely Carmichael, …
(Read the rest of this article at http://genelalor.com/)
We ARE a nation of cowards. Otherwise, how do you explain the New York Post apology for printing a cartoon?
Bravo, Jennifer. And thanks for fleshing out these ideas with some hard data about the real damage caused by unfair hiring and promotion practices and the warped and self-serving legal thinking that makes it possible.
This is the second quote from Dowd I’ve heard in as many weeks repudiating the Obama administration. There are probably more which I haven’t heard. She better be careful A Conservative is a Liberal who got mugged yesterday. Is she feeling mugged these days?
You never know…maybe he *intended* for what he said to be taken the way you interpreted it. After all, it was the anti-Communist Nixon who opened things up with China. Well, maybe…
http://www.caribvoice.org/Features/holder.html
Read the first 4 paragraphs and you realize this man might be more unstable in office than the people that put him there.
And we thought Janet Reno had problems?
Cowardice…?
Get real!
Eric Holder is simply the latest public figure in a lifetime of Obama choosing individuals and philosophies that embrace hatred of white people, Jews and America.
I confess. If I spoke the truth about race in this country, I would lose my job. I am a coward. Notice that I did not put my full name to this post as is my common practice.
The truth about Holder is that we have an “affirmative action” attorney general – a man who holds a job far beyond his ability and his character in order to fill a racial quota.
We do not have open and honest discussion of race in this country because men like Holder will not allow it. By all means, “let a hundred flowers blossom.” Then watch the Holders of the world cut them down.
All Eric Holder wants us White Americans to do is confront our base, prejudiced, racist selves in front of Black People as the Jim Crow lynching White American racists all of us really are. Then after admitting just how perverse and badly we White Americans have all behaved towards Black People all our lives and in every way possible manner, then we may promise to learn from our mistakes, promise to change, and state plainly that we now understand just why Black People despise White Americans and that they are entirely justified for feeling such loathing towards us.
And you Jennifer, especially as I believe that you, like me, are Jewish, then above all Eric Holder wants that you admit to being even more despicable and scurrilous than your average White Christian American bigot since after all, you aren’t just guilty of racism and the oppression of Black People, but you are also guilty of killing Christ and of being pretty much the source of all evil in the world, as well as responsible for the oppression of everybody who is, well, oppressed.
I am sure that if you try your best to make these points personally to every Black person you can find which is what Attorney Holder really wants, then even the esteemed Eric Holder will be happy to agree that you are indeed a walking piece of diseased garbage but withal perhaps even worthy of scrubbing public toilets in Black neighborhoods.
Don’t forget that Holder was Reno’s attack dog and certainly check out HR 45.
First I get angry.
Then I get scared.
Then I get angry again.
These people (….just dawned on me how “these people” could sound…you know what? I’m not changing it)…these people are worse than I feared they would be.
They are more racist.
They are more foolish.
They are more arrogant.
They are more dangerous.
And like poster 1, I’m really freaked out that I agree with something Maureen Dowd said…..or should we take another tack, and rejoice that Maureen is agrees with what WE think? (Imagine where that leaves her self image)
I think it also involves the ability to control those you reign over.
President Hopenchange doesn’t want a strong personality telling him what he should do.
Look at Joe Biden, Bambi has already thrown him under the bus.
Reminds me of all the ‘yes’ men Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon put around themselves.
Nixon’s finally had to appear in court and testify against him.
I’m out of patience with the perpetual victim hood and lower standards.
When a group of people is hard pressed to even complete a free k-12 education, turn its own neighborhoods into small scale war zones, be fathers to their own children and then turn around and blame it all on someone else and expect to be given things because they are ‘owed’. What a crock!
There’s really little to say about people who refuse to accept responsibility and stand on their own two feet without some sort of crutch. The liberals that enable and promote this dysfunction are even more contemptible.
Holder can go take a long walk off a short pier.
The “talk” about race will be the lead-up to the imposition of reparations to blacks. Just watch. It is also to fuel up the division between people, classic divide and conquer.
We have an “affirmative action” AG and an “affirmative action” President. Does anyone really believe Obama would have been elected in spite of his non-existent experience and his disgusting associations if he was white?
We ARE a nation of cowards regarding race. We’re afraid to tell the truth.
Over 20 years ago as a college student I applied for a summer job in my city. I interviewed twice and had an overall positive experience. However, I was subsequently informed that my hire was being delayed because the job in question was earmarked for an “affirmative action” candidate. Ultimately, there were no “affirmative action candidates” that minimally met the job qualifications. I got the job but could not start work until July, whereas I could have otherwise have been a productive employee for several weeks.
Since that time I have been militantly opposed to any racial preferance consideration in employment whether under the rubric of “affirmative action” or set-asides or what-have-you. A minority has just achieved the highest office in the land. “Affirmative action” is obsolete and should be killed off mercilessly.
Good article…but I fear that the whole nation is turning into another Detroit/Chicago with thugs in charge, the media compliant and falling over themselves to show how sensitive they are to endless grievances of non whites.
Don’t expect to see any so called minority member getting on a plane and returning to live in their beloved motherland, however. There aren’t enough guilty white taxpayers to support them in those blighted countries.
Holder’s right, whites are a bunch of cowards, in that we put up with this abuse in the name of race.
Ms, Rubin:
“…we don’t need a Jackson/Sharpton-style lecture on race. Barack Obama’s election was supposed to get us past that.”-Maureen Dowd
Hahaha! Just over a month into the Obamadminstration, and here she done went and blabbed the true agenda of the White Guilt Leftist voters.
They don’t want to hear THAT sh*t anymore.
When the unwritten future histories are unwritten, that will be pointed to as the reason for the Left’s uncritical embrace of the fellow who claims to have been born in Hawaii.
Good ole Maureen, I KNEW we could count on her and her big mouth…
2. redmund sum wrote:
…how do you explain the New York Post apology for printing a cartoon?
Peter writes: I have to agree with that. The Post should not have apologized. Maybe written an editorial to explain what was actually meant using small words so those with narrow minds who immediately think of black people when they see a chimpanzee in a cartoon, but not apologize.
Being critical of Holder is not enough – not nearly enough. The only reasonable response to that insane, nasty, stupid speech that Holder gave as Attorney General is to come to the conclusion that he is not fit for that job, exhibits some very scary and chilling attitudes about what task of the AG is (and Justice, in general) and must be taken out of the position.
HOLDER MUST RESIGN, NOW! Period. HOLDER MUST RESIGN!
Well, our affirmative action activities for the past couple of decades have come home to roost.
You see, these incompetent people who were hired and retained above their ability levels to stave off lawsuits do not know they are incompetent. Pres. O is going to do more damage to minority rights by his sheer incompetence than any skin head could ever do. Holder is another example.
These guys have been given free passes only because they are minorities.
What is such a shame is that we have so many truly competent, intelligent and honorable minority people in our nation. The proactive decision to reward incompetence is biting us every time we look at the stock market.
Will we learn our lesson?
Best regards,
Gail S
i have worked all of my life..since i was 12..i am now 51…i have paid taxes, helped the poor, etc..etc…now at a time in my life where i can’t temporarily work and have lost my health benefits..i reach out to get welfare insurance…just the health care..i don’t want cash or food stamps…i was told point blank NO…i was told i didn’t qualify…..all code words for me not being black….i am close to being homeless….i just want my prescriptions so i can enjoy life and GO BACK TO WORK…..i know..this sounds like a pity party..it isn’t…i will live under a tree if i have to…..i know i am not owed anything..i played the game real hard…i raised 3 kids…they are super adults today….i am penalized for my color..white…f**k these people…
Eric is just trying to keep a spot at the trough for all the race hustlers like Jesse and Al. If we really did move into that post racial society the President talked about during the campaign the hustlers would have to get real jobs. And the Democrats need that 90% black vote to keep their own snouts in said trough.
This is great. The country need a steady hand of leadership and are we’re getting is the daily drumbeat of how terrible things are and how awful we are.
Holder calling us cowards is the pot calling the kettle…oops.
I am too afraid to say it.
I have a question for Mr. Holder about race: how come, in almost every city in America, people of all colors pay an extraordinary amount of money to live in neighborhoods that have the lowest proportion of blacks, and, increasingly, hispanics? This is true of every city I have lived in, and I have lived in 10 of them. If people are willing to pay 4 and 5 times more to live as far away from predominately black neighborhoods as possible, even people who tow the leftist line on race in every respect, it seems to suggest that there might be something wrong with those neighborhoods and the people who live in them. Are all those people simply being unreasonable or irrational? Los Angeles has some amazing deals on houses in convenient locations near work and downtown, but nobody with any money seems very interested. Curious. Are those people cowards? Is that their problem?
Holder holds all the cards. What are you going to do, take him up on his challenge to speak honestly and openly about race – that is to say frankly state that the hollowing out of once great American cities is the direct result of white flight from massive black crime – and face a reign of terror that will start with your being called a racist and end with your loss of livelihood? Of course not. And he knows it, the hypocritical SOB.
Obama, Holder, and the liberal plutocracy,are setting the stage for a governmentled cold race war;they’ll use high taxes,affimative action,subsidies,the ACORN rent-a-mob stormtroopers,and illegal immigration,in an attempt,to impoverish, politically nullify,and oppress Euroamericans. The impending assault on talk radio and the internet,are just the visible tip of a totalitarian iceberg. It’s up to us to recognize this threat,and organize to defeat it.
Once again an office holder, who, as with all of them, is so far removed from the people he does not know that we “races” are working and playing together every day. I am tired of hearing these people say they know what the People want, they don’t know the people, they don’t livewith us. Oh,by the way Holder, does this racial reconciliation include the africans that took their black brothers and sisters from their homes and sold them to the white man in west africa.
The cost to Holder for saying what he said publicly is zero. The cost to an individual who speaks out about double standards in the workplace or at a school can extend to their jobs or their degree. I am not sure if Holder is uninformed or disingenuous, but the conversation is not going to happen. I’m not going to be lectured by a moron, nor berated for telling the truth.
My retort: Holder’s a coward because he won’t fight me with his hands tied behind his back.
Mark D. Right On! brother! Euro Americans need to speak out, act up,and put this marxoid erace baiter in his place!
#27 degeullo . . . Don’t be so paranoid. We don’t want to do all that stuff to everybody. We only want to do it to you.
They make things worse: President Obama says we face disaster, or at least a grave crisis. And now here comes his new Attorney General to call us cowards.
Never mind that Roosevelt, our sainted leader in the depths of the Great Depression, claimed we had nothing to fear but fear itself. But then, what did he know? He was a rich white guy.
Uh, oh. I’ve stumbled again into the briar patch of our black and white world.
Holder’s incompetence reminds one of Lincoln’s admonition: “‘Tis better to be thought the fool than to speak and remove all doubt.”
There is a larger point. It is none of the government business what what we may hold. His job is to enforce the law, not enforce his opinions about what he considers PC or “proper”.
I’m sorry, what did Holder say . . . I can’t remember . . . i don’t recall . . .. i have no recollection . . . I can’t remember . . . perhaps if you could remind me.
Why does Holder still have his job? This is a bitter, weak, and bias individual who holds an office to protect Americans. Jeez what a stupid Administration choice.
Wild Bill @ 34:
“one of your own” seems more than willing to volunteer as Lincoln’s “fool”. Millions of others are proving to be fools by voting for Obama.
Now can we talk about desegregating the Congressional Black Caucus AND the final sixteen teams at both the mens’ and womens’ NCAA next month?
#13 Fear Obama:
Obama didn’t just toss Biden under the bus, he “honored” him by putting him in charge of the “stimulus” spending. That way, when it all crashes and burns, it can be Biden’s fault. It’s the same reason he put Pelosi et al in charge of writing it — well, that and it freed him up to go out with Michelle and be the celebrity he REALLY wanted to be.
You watch: Obama’s slicker than Willie and will find ways to blame every catastrophe in his administration on someone else. That’s the real reason for nutty appointments like Holder.
Sorry, but my impression is that the “discussion” in America is more likely to be about race than about anything useful. No matter what we talk about, race is always in the back of peoples’ minds and eventually someone raises the usual questions about whether XYZ is a racial issue or how something or other effects minorities or how this or that discriminates against some group. It’s a cultural obsession with us – not something we avoid.
What I want to know is, on the weekend when he’s at home, does Holder check his BBQ guest list to make sure it is filled with a qualifying number of diverse races, making sure there are at least as many whites, asians and hispanics as there are blacks? Or does he simply swig back a cold one with friends who share similar interests and backgrounds like many of us do?
Because he better be holding his own PC picnic before he demands I do the same.
I work for a government agency, so I am unable to express most of my political and social opinions to my co-workers as they could file a complaint against me for creating a “hostile work environment”. No matter. I retire very soon. I am going to relocate to a small town in the Mountain states. I have found a state and area that has essentially no black people. I simply refuse to inhabit their universe anymore. It’s sad that 40 years after the civil rights movement, I feel the need to completely separate myself from American blacks due to their social pathologies and incessant whining about everything being the fault of everyone except themselves.
Sadly, I work with many good black people who are good workers and good family people. But any time you live in an city or a state where they reach critical mass, the dysfunction takes over. Even now, black co-workers with graduate degrees making over $100,000 a year complain of the “institutional racism” at work, and the “endless racism” they endure from everyone. Strangely, I also work with South Asians, East Asians, Hispanics, immigrants from everywhere, and I never hear this from them.
At this point in my life, and given the political climate of the nation, I have made the choice to isolate myself from those who would belittle me and my culture. Too bad, but that’s the way it’s going to be.
I don’t think we can talk about race anymore. Rupert Murdoch just apologized about the NY Post cartoon. Now everyone can go back to pretending that racism is a one way street and the best news of all is that Al Sharpton has a job!
#37 Why does Holder still have his job? It’s called nepotism and is not grounds for dismissal. Accusations of racism without proof are grounds for dismissal as Al Sharpton and the NAACP will inform you.
@43. Scott:
For the GOP fan, facing criticism would be too much to bear.
Peace.
DS
Like a broken clock that gets it right twice a day and gets it wrong 1438 times a day, Maureen Dowd is right on with her comments, and for that brief flash of insight and good judgment, I give her credit. As far as I’m concerned with Holder and Sharpton, and Obama, etc., I’m past the point of getting tired of the excuses. If you can’t cut it in the greatest country on the face of the earth, then the reason for your failure is staring right at you in the mirror. If black people are complaining about inferior public schools in their neighborhood, go talk to the head honcho in Washington. Oh, I forgot, he sends his children to a private school.
OOYO:#27 Only me? Has liberalism finally discovered the individual? I thought you folks worked only by force feeding entire ethnic groups into categories for purposes of social engineering. Best, Deguello
Afraid to talk about race. Leave it to Holder to cast a blind eye north as to what happens to
people who gore current sacred cows.
Holder, Obama, and the rest of that ilk are a blight upon planet earth.
#45 For the GOP fan, facing criticism would be too much to bear.
Especially from you, it’s so empty without substance. Some might say a waste of time. Without intending to insult bears, it is unbearable.
Sorry bears.
Peace
LS
I miss Ronald Reagan more and more everyday as I am fed a vision by the current administration of this country as racist, as soulless, as selfish and greedy.
One reason I love Reagan is because he saw that this nation is overwhelming NOT these things. We are charitable, selfless, and independent.
It’s time to help our Republicans in Congress remember Reagan Conservatism and stand up for it. They must denounce this hate-mongering of the American people.
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/we-demand-true-conservative-leadership.html
No. 23–I actually know an African American mn who retired from the large metropolitan public agency that I work for who retired to Vermont for exactly the reasons you mentioned.
I’d be interested in having a conversation of what percentage of people over their heads on their mortgages and not paying are minorities.
Nowhere is this phenomenon more evident than in the private sector workplace,>>
Good article but was Ms Rubin thinking when she made this statement?
The Federal government is so disproportionaely “black” that when you start with the usurpor foreign national sitting as POTUS and look at the Federal government personnel one would think that this was South Africa and not the U.S.A.
He’s right…we won’t do anything about it. If this was said about the black race they’d be marching on Washington and rioting in the streets. We are to busy working to help pay for their “victim” mentality.
After reading J-Rub for a few mometns, one does have to realize that gender-based preferences at conservative websites can be really annoying….
“The truth about Holder is that we have an “affirmative action” attorney general – a man who holds a job far beyond his ability and his character in order to fill a racial quota.”
Isn’t that interesting – that’s exactly what KKK types like yourself say about Obama – that’s he’s a stupid negro in way over his head… Go burn a cross…
“We have an “affirmative action” AG and an “affirmative action” President. Does anyone really believe Obama would have been elected in spite of his non-existent experience and his disgusting associations if he was white?”
Go burn a cross…
The comments on this thread do more to prove Holder right than any “discussion” could ever prove. Every sterortypical aspect of red-necked know-nothings is clearly on display…
Holder’s remarks were ridiculous. In the meantime, real people just have moved on. Just as the pundits made fools of themselves, falling all over themselves to proclaim that every vote against Obama was a vote for racism, they are doing it again.
The rest of us have just gone on about our lives and are, obviously, not perturbed by race.
My neighborhood is now thoroughly mixed. I connect with those whose values I share. I don’t with those whose values I dislike.
Simple.
My neighbor watched on the stoop as her child played outside. This year, the oversight is loosening up. I agree with my neighbor on the age of lightening up parental supervision.
We’re different racially. We agree on mothering.
I have another neighbor who wanders around asking people if they have medication for her “headache.” Clearly, she’s a pain-pill addict.
She’s my race. I don’t have anything in common with her.
It’s not about race.
It’s about values.
#59: Good post.
I have never seen such a bunch of posturing idiots as this current crop of Obama appointees. But I suppose that’s to be expected.
And Fred, calling us “red-necked know-nothings” does not change the fact that our new AG’s response to us electing our first black President (something that no European country has ever done, for instance) is to call us all cowards and imply we’re racists. Clearly he doesn’t feel we’ve done enough. I think we’re being set up for talk about reparations. They won’t use that word, of course, it’s too politically loaded. But clearly (to them!) we owe black people something.
My own family came here as immigrants in the 1920s, and you’d be hard-pressed to figure out how we benefited from racism, segregation or anything else. Why I should have to pay anything for what happened here in the 1800s I have no idea. Because of my skin color? Excuse me? These are people calling ME a racist?
Why is it many blacks feel the requirement for the “black” identity? For instance, the need to refer to oneself as African-American? Isn’t the real requirement for universal and equal rights, and not the simple fact of being recognized as being black?
I refuse to use the term ‘African-American’ unless it is in the context of quoting someone. Not only do I think it a tacit request for power, but more importantly I actually find it demeaning to what is a supposed to be blended harmony of race, creed and color; an unmentioned cause of division and form of pandering that I would personally find patronizing if the shoe on the other foot.
What’s ironic is I find myself agreeing with Holder, but I imagine my reasons being quite different in the way I arrived at my conclusion.
Great post. Most pro-diversity race hustlers argue that the reason it’s necessary is because companies, universities, etc., automatically favor white men – that white men are the largest default affirmative action group-and diversity policies temper that and force companies to hire equally qualified non-white people. The irony of course, is that because of affirmative action policies in schools and universities, and the dumbing down of our standards, there are less qualified non-white people to choose from in a colorblind hiring process. If we got rid of every affirmative action and diveristy program, it would force people to work hard and raise the bar again. And I don’t think, this day and age, companies are so ignorant to only hire white men if given the choice. We have made progress in our society and we should be given credit for it.
And another thing – every time I hear comments like this from Holder, Sharpton, et. al, I wonder, have they ever set foot outside the United States? If they really want to heal race relations, they might start by giving white Americans a little credit – they are probably some of the least racist people in the entire world. And they wonder why white Americans can’t stand to hear these lectures…it’s like lecturing Barry Goldwater or William F. Buckley for not expressing their conservativism enough.
Let’s play “what if” for a minute…
What if BHO were white – he would not be the POTUS but a pathetic Sociology non-tenured professor at a community college.
What if Eric Holder were white – he would be a vagrant living in a refrigator box under an overpass.
What if David S pulled his head out of his arse – he would have a real job, a nice family, and be conservative, and he would never use the lame “peace” as his signoff.
I live in a mixed neighborhood in a mixed town. I work in a mixed office. Do we really need to talk about race? We all want a better future for our children just as our parents wanted for us. I can’t say that political or religious beliefs are based on race where I live. Many of my backdoor neighbors are transplants from New Orleans, of course they had Obama signs in their yards. When I would go for walks and walk past the signs I knew it was because they wanted change. That is their right as an American. I just wished that they knew how bad the change was going to be.
Fred doesn’t offer any constructive criticism, only the usual retaliatory, finger-pointing accusations. Any reason or logic to offer, Fred, or are you just PM’s token “victim of the day”?
Every time I hear Sharpton, I know he’s running out of money. Now every time the NAACP demands someone be fired, I assume the accused is innocent, but will more than likely be fired, or an apology will be forthcoming. Too many people rely on racism for their livihood now.
Holder, the pardoning jackass creep, is an arrogant spineless snob who looks down his nose on just about everybody. In this sense, he’s an equal opportunity hater.
Really, I couldn’t care less what he says about me, though I don’t cotton to him calling U.S. troops in harms way cowards. That’s the danger when this neanderthan paints American with such a broad brush.
But I’d also like to talk about another danger to America.
The one that rears its ugly dumbo ears and head when the Democrats create a trillion dollar wastefulness bill that’s 15% job stimulation and 85% pig.
Even more wrongheaded, they used a shotgun approach in their make believe economy fix when what’s needed is a rifle bullet approach.
The shotgun approach appealed to deadbeat, slacker voters, who wouldn’t know how to pay a mortgage on time if their life depended on it. It gives them a zillion ways to make money on the cool trillion.
It’s especially frustrating when some simle, sensible ideas would have fixed this subprime/housing mess.
What I’m suggesting are real economic fix , ones that would greatly benefit you and me.
Either of these two ideas, in tandem or alone, would have righted our economic ship of state. The reason Obama wouldn’t do it? These ideas wouldn’t buy him slacker votes.
Here’s my thoughts:
Either, offer all present homeowners a 4% mortgage.
Or have the feds pay $100,000 toward the principal of all homes.
Either of these in point of fact would serve as the silver bullet to fix the housing crisis and by so doing the whole economy.
But Omama likes all the slacker, deadbeat, “you mean I’m supposed to pay a mortage on time and every month” votes.
He always thought the economy would just naturally correct itself, but through his stimulus machinations, he could take credit for the turnaround. That was the plan. And all those creep, slacker, deadbeat voters who would see the government as their personal sugar daddy would then all vote for Obama.
And don’t forget, the impetus for this crisis was born of pure Democratic chicanary when the Dems forced Frannie and Freddie to make a country’s worth of huge loans to hugely deadbeat cretins to whom the concept of timely monthly payments was as alien as American independence.
As for Holder, the attorney boy blunder, I can think of nothing more appropriate for him than to spend the rest of his worthless, useless life in the witless protection program.
Have a nice day,
Rachel
57. Fred wrote in response to:
“We have an “affirmative action” AG and an “affirmative action” President. Does anyone really believe Obama would have been elected in spite of his non-existent experience and his disgusting associations if he was white?”
Go burn a cross…
Peter writes: Hey Fred, why don’t you tell Geraldine Ferraro (D) to go burn a cross too? She said exactly the same thing during the primaries.
I think I know how Scott feels. There were few blacks in my profession, but five out of the six that I encountered were not worth the grief. While they universally rated themselves extremely high on the self assessment at evaluation times their actual work product tended to be average to subpar. In an atmosphere of often brutal performance critiques from all directions in which department heads could, in effect, get fired by subordinates if upward reviews showed no improvement, these blacks were quick to label any feedback other than fulsome praise as racist. And talk about creating a hostile work environment. Try to keep other professional employees from grousing about double standards when the only black on staff keeps the mandatory 50 hour work week down to the last second while the rest of the office toils 70 and more to keep the project on track. During the exit interview the blacks would tend to complain their peer group didn’t support them. I tried to explain that it’s hard to win the respect of ones peers by chirping about last night’s American Idol at the coffee pot when everyone else worked until midnight, but it didn’t seem to sink in.
This was at a firm that had more than its share of women partners and had fast tracked several recent Hispanic, Chinese and Indian immigrants to partner status. We also had many highly competent black paraprofessionals and support staff. The chip on the shoulder attitude was confined to the college graduates on the professional staff. I suspect a combination of white professors giving out high grades that weren’t earned and way too many black studies programs.
Peace through superior firepower
NC Mountain Girl
While it must be downright insulting to Americans when African American leaders start moralising to be it is just irritating they are allowed to be so cavalier with the truth.
While Mr holder talks of a slave trade that was abolished by America and the European trading nations 150 years ago an internastional court case in October 2008 found the West African nation of Niger guilty of human rights violations for failing to act to end slavery.
Landmark court case gives hope to thousands held in slavery
Is it another case of one law for the developed nations, another for the dark skinned races. Yes slavery was wromg but the African tribes were as deeply involved as Britain, Holland, Spain, France, Portugal and America. The Africans have been trading in human beings since the dawn of civilisation. Unfortunately they are still doing it.
“My own family came here as immigrants in the 1920s, and you’d be hard-pressed to figure out how we benefited from racism, segregation or anything else.”
Interesting assertion – your family arrived as immigrants and automatically had more rights than many blacks living in this country for generations – assuming that your family was white. Do you deny it? For hundreds of years – and until very recently, blacks were denied the wealth building tools that whites take for granted (like you) – this would include home ownership, education at good institutions, an officer’s career in the military, government work – and so on. And yet, one generation freed – and white people now put the burden of racism on BLACK PEOPLE – hey, you’ve been free for 40 years – what’s the matter neegrow? Think back – imagine what your family would be like today if the best your father and grandfather could do was shine shoes or sweep and mop floors – or if your mother could only aspire to doing the laundry for white people. And next time, some schmuck like J-Rub wants to talk about racial preferences, ask her how many black bosses or black professors or black peers SHE’s ever known…
want to bet it ain’t too many? Don’t believe me – go look at the management structure of YOUR place of employment. Tell me how many blacks you see at the top…
This was safe place for holder to make his speech. He was assured he would get no negative feed back
I have no idea if any of you have ever worked for the federal government but one does not talk about race in fact one goes out of their way to be extra nice to blacks. All a black has to do is to file an EEO complaint. It does not matter if there are no facts to support it or it is a performance issue. It will be investigated to the fullest. The person the complaint is made against stands guilty until they prove their innocence.
The example of performance cited NC Mountain Girl would surely lead to a wide ranging investigation if it had occurred in the fed gov.
I have a few comments that I would like to add. I did a little nonscientific study concerning crime rates. I looked up the 10 most dangerous cities in the U.S. and compared the demographics using the Wikipedia entry for said cities. I did the same for least dangerous cities. The findings:
Safest:
1: Mission Viejo, CA: 83.15% white 1.15% black
2: Clarkstown, NY: 79.97% white 7.87% black
3: Brick, NJ: 95.81% white 0.99% black
4: Amherst, NJ: 89.28% white 3.90% black
5: Sugar Land, TX: 56% white 5.20% black (33.80% asian)
6: Colonie, NY: 90.55% white 3.90% black
7: Thousand Oaks, CA: 85.09% white 1.06% black
8: Newton, MA: 88.07% white 1.97% black
9: Toms River, NJ: 93.57% white 1.75% black
10: Lake Forest, CA: 76.02% white 1.83% black (9.70% asian)
Most dangerous:
1: Detroit, MI: 81.6% black 12.3% white
2: St. Louis, MO: 51.20% black 43.85% white
3: Flint, MI: 53.27 % black 41.39% white
4: Oakland, CA: 35.66% black 23.52% white (21.19% hispanic)
5: Cmaden, NJ: 53.35% black 16.84% white (38.82% Hispanic)
6: Birmingham, AL: 73.46% black 24.07% white
7: North Charleston, SC: 49.41% black 44.76% white
8: Memphis, TN: 61.41% black 34.41% white
9: Richmond, CA: 36.06% black 21.36% white (26.53% hispanic)
10: Cleveland, OH: 50.99% black 41.49% white
Anybody see any patterns?
Let’s look at the averages.
Safest: 83.75% white 2.96% black
Most dangerous: 54.6% black 30.4% white.
I suppose the conclusion that can be gained from the data above must be: Cities that are predominantly white are a tremendous amount more safe than cities that are predominantly black.
I’m not a coward!
regards
Note that Fred (who posted again at #73) totally ignores when members of his own party (Geraldine Ferraro [D]) say that Obama would not be where he is if he had a different color skin.
74. joe wrote:
I have no idea if any of you have ever worked for the federal government but one does not talk about race in fact one goes out of their way to be extra nice to blacks. All a black has to do is to file an EEO complaint.
Peter writes: I have worked for the Federal government in the form of the US Navy. While most of the people I worked with were color-blind, there were a couple of people (of the African-American persuasion) who tried to use the race card on a couple of occasions. They were basically told we were not black, white, yellow or any other color except (Navy) blue and to get back to work. It usually stopped there.
Hey Fred – I’m really curious to know what you can tell me about the advancement of nations and it’s people in Africa.
TO: All
RE: It’s Self-Evident….
…that the Attorney-General is a ‘Jackass’, i.e., Democrat.
What more can anyone expect of him?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out. And some jackasses are not going to appreicate it.....]
Peter the military is totally different as it realates to this topic. There is more focus on performance.
Equally the civilian workforce with DOD is a lot different than other agencies within the fed gov. Here again the focus is on performance. What you find are the underperformers quickly leave once they determine the race card does not work quite as easily as they thought.
chris in Toronto
too late. Reparations for slavery are on the UN Durban II agenda. No objecions that I have read coming from the US delegation. They sat there mute while the most obnoxious statements ever were made.
It’s cocktail hour again, so let me say this before I have one more double shot of Tennessee sipping whiskey on the rocks. Why is it that a large percentage of our black fellow citizens demand to be held to lower standards (affirmative action) than Asian Americans and White Americans? In my dealings with people, I try to follow the “Golden Rule”: “Do unto others as you would have done unto you.” But if a person wants to be treated like a helpless ward of the state because he or she can’t compete with the rest of us, what am I supposed to do? – pat him or her on the head. I’m sorry, but I won’t do that. But there are plenty of Democrats who will.
Dear Mr. Holder,
Your boss is eager to promote “economic justice” and “social justice”. Last I looked, you are already the head of the Justice Department. Neat thought huh?
So imagine my surprise when I went to race.usdoj.gov and learned that that there was no race discussion at that web address. Nada for http://www.usdoj.gov/race as well.
You could start the discussion that you so courageously suggest, did you know that? You already have a big web site that lots of people visit. You have a choice, you know. You can do this.
If you go to http://www.usdoj.gov and search on ‘race’, you have a good beginning. Click on the third link down on the search returns. That page says that 95% of black homicide victims have a black attacker. That is definitely not social justice.
We could start the conversation there, don’t you think?
Kindest Regards,
A. Citizen
“”"”"”"In many large and medium-sized companies, executives are judged and compensated specifically on fulfilling diversity goals, which are thinly disguised quotas based on illegal racial and ethnic preferences.”"”"”"”"
Wasn’t that — in effect — what our current First Lady was doing in her exhorbitantly-compensated job for a Chicago hospital?
Was her husband made Editor in Chief of the Harvard Law Review on merit, or on the basis of race?
We all know the answers to both of those, and we all know that our “diversity chickens” have come home to roost because of the outcome of this election. A toast to our crass stupidity, and to our real example of national cowardice.
Fred do you really think that new immigrants in the early part of the 20th century had “home ownership, education at good institutions, an officer’s career in the military, government work – and so on”? Because my family on both my parents’ sides came as immigrants from the shtetls of Russia. Perhaps, you will be uninterested in our story because we are Jews but it is the story of most immigrant families.
My maternal great grandfather and his brother were born into the poverty of the Russian shtetl. Jews were not allowed to own land or live with Christians – ergo, the shtetl – the Russian version of the ghetto. The word “ghetto”, in fact, originally referred to to the area of Venice in which Jews – and only Jews – lived and worked in Renaissance Italy. But I digress.
So, my great-grandfather and his brother homesteaded on the prairies and spent the first year living in a tent – ever tented in the Canadian winter?
My great-grandfather was a pedlar – he pulled a cart from town to town – no horse – too poor – but he married and though his six children were only able to complete elementary school before they had to go to work in the factories, some of their children were able to attend university on scholarships. Of course, while they were at university they worked as well – waiting tables, as porters on the trains, chambermaiding – whatever would bring in a little money to buy text books.
As for the rest, they worked hard, bought little houses, cherished their children and valued education over anything else. When WWII came around, the men in my family fought bravely – and none of them were officers.
As Jews in the 40s,50s, and 60s, my parents and my aunts and uncles faced quotas in the universities, were refused the right to live in certain neighbourhoods, and were forced to accept the fact that many, many Canadian businesses refused to hire Jews.
But our parents worked hard, made sure their children went to school, had close, warm families – and above all, believed in the value of education. My cousins, my siblings and I are all third generation Canadians. All of us have university educations. And all of us owe the lives we live today, to our great-grandfather; an illiterate pedlar who dreamed of making a better life for his descendants.
Ultimately, everyone wins with these kinds of values. Nobody wins with affirmative action.
#58 Fred:
“Every sterortypical aspect of red-necked know-nothings is clearly on display…”
Well…that’s exactly what Holder said he wanted, isn’t it? A frank discussion, warts n’ all.
For the record, I think he’s wrong.
Having even MORE dullards sitting around obsessing over the amount of melanin in their skin and the different amounts among us would be beneficial to us all exactly how?
It wouldn’t be good for the nation, but it would be good at energizing one of the Democrats’ core constituencies.
Fred, this is the racially-based version of the alleged Hawaiian’s “catastrophe” economic scare-mongering.
It’s even got your dander up, and from your writings, you haven’t struck me as a Paul Robeson-type fulminating on injustice 24/7/365.
What a lot of these folks are saying comes from their subjective view of the “olliphant”, as is your own.
It might be totally alien to what you know of it, but is no less a valid viewpoint.
You went on to say in #73:
” And next time, some schmuck like J-Rub wants to talk about racial preferences, ask her how many black bosses or black professors or black peers SHE’s ever known…”
Can’t speak for her, but I’ve had my share, some were great to work for, some were idiots, most were just okay.
But I’d like to point something out about the informal racial preference system that may not be as obvious.
If, as an employer, I can hire a less-qualified person of color to do a job, then I don’t have to seek another more qualified person of color for that position.
Hey…from the employers’ POV, he’s GOT his Afr-Am, and can keep him at a lower rate of pay than he’d otherwise have to compensate the more qualified fellow.
The lower-qualled employee will certainly be made aware that any number of better applicants of equally dusky skin-tone are in the pile at HR. right?
You and your better quals can hit the bricks, the Company already has fulfilled its’ quota.
#69 Rachel Peepers, With each post you write, I’m strongly becoming a fan… do you have a blog?
Dear Fred, OOYO, and DavidS:
Why are you guys here? Why do you read this stuff if it upsets you so much? Why do you engage the folks in these threads with arguments that you will never, ever win? By win, I mean: win over. You aren’t going to change anyone’s minds in here at PJ, or Townhall or American Thinker, just to name a few.
So, in light of what I said above, let me tell you a quickie: my 8th grade daughter came home crying one day. A girl was picking on her, calling her “stupid” and “Amazon” (she is very tall), “ugly,” “dummy,” and a few other choice names.
I called the school. Got the counselor. Told her the girl’s name and asked for some kind of intervention, as I believe this is called “bullying.” She said she would talk to my daughter first, then, if needed, she would talk to the other girl.
So my daughter talked to the counselor. She was told to not make such a big deal out of it. The other girl was never called in to talk to the counselor.
Fast forward a couple of years: I’m reading an article in the local paper about several black families who were involved in an on-going suit against the school district for discrimination. And lo! What do I see? I see that very girl’s name mentioned in the article! Her family was suing the school district for discrimination! My goodness.
So now YOU tell me: who was being discriminated against when she was being bullied and NOTHING at all was done about it by the school? That counselor had an opportunity to have “a discussion” and she “cowered” away from it due to the pending lawsuit. What a bunch of hooey.
Oh, I’ve got a “racist” question: JEWS DON’T NEED ANY AFFIRMATIVE ACTION… WHY?
Jews have the longest history of persecution of all the peoples still living on Earth, but still manage to succeed without affirmative action.
Is THAT the reason African Americans are often SO anti-Semitic? Because Jews prove that the problem is not “out there”, but inside one’s head? Because in 60 years you can build the real western civilization, in the desert, surrounded by people willing to kill you off, while some minorities turn their neighbourhoods into no-go areas and then cry: “discrimination”?
And let’s not speak about Liberia…
Wow! I can’t believe I’ve spoken it out… I’m a “racist” now. At least not a coward.
I used to work for FedEx in a corporate function and it was an open secret among non-black employees that the headcount was higher than required because of the affirmative action hires we had to make in the name of “diversity”. My face turns red every time I hear anyone say “diversity is our strength”. Really? Physical differences are a source of strength? I thought diversity of ideas was key.
My new employer is even more ridiculous with managers getting scored for the number of diversity events we attend.
The unfortunate downside is that minorities that are actually qualified are assumed to be diversity hires and thus suffer the consequences.
rdkng07,
Thanks for the nice words, 07.
I have no blog, and my political writing plans at this point are up in the air.
Frankly, nobody’s banging my door down either, asking me to join them, though I get a few nibbles here and there.
Did a lot of videos for Bush in ’04 that appeared all over the internet, but became a persona non grata when the Bush team discovered I was tied to Paul Hoffman and the Swifties.
These days I kind of see myself as an unpaid dentist trying to drill down on every exposed main Dem nerve I can uncover. Eric is an easy target. But B. Hussein (DemBO, I call him) is always weaving, bobbing and dancing, like a Joe Frazier doll.
Dembo’s stimulus bill was just political cover to spend our tax money like drunken congressman, and, in the process, see how many slacker votes the scalawags can bank for the next election.
The mainstream media are his Moes, Larrys and Curleys. Ernie Pyle is spitting bullets in his grave.
Incidentally, I talked to a CPA yesterday who told me that if you’re a homeowner who pays your bills, mortgage included, and has a good credit rating, there’s not a dime in the stimulus bill for you.
Dembo (barack) wants his deadbeat base to think of the government as its own personal sugar daddy. And who wouldn’t vote for their sugar daddy?
On “24″, some members of the government have been compromised. In real life, we’re faced with an entire administration ready to sell their souls to whichever socialist puke has the deepest pockets.
Later.
Rachel
The Giant Zero needs chaos. Chaos in race relations. Chaos in the stock market. Chaos in every aspect of our lives. The chaos will be so intense and will last so long that the people will accept his socialist/marxist remaking of the country.
@65. donttreadonme:
You would do all of us a favor by keeping such racist sentiments to yourself.
Peace.
DS
PS – What do you think Bush would have been if he were a minority?
One poster put it succinctly. The differences are about values not race.
People that have race on the brain are problem students, professors, employees, judges or doctors. I know blacks I would trust with my life, and whites I wouldn’t trust with my laundry.
Unfortunately, for almost 50 years, politicians and professors that should know better have insisted that it was unfair to demand the same perforance from some as for the rest.
The predictable effect–seen as far back as Jamestown –was that some worked less, tried less and felt the rules did not apply to them.
At Jamestown they finally did away with freeloading: since 1965 its been encouraged.
What a result: Kids that think studying is “acting white.” Teachers that avoid pushing some students for fear of a lost career. Students that see all this and form their own opinions. Employees to whom tough criticism is racist, and play the race card, assuring that they and hundreds of others in that company will be marginalized for years until we know “he’s ok.”
What a great result Mr. Holder. And you want to perpetuate this?
For undermining the ethic of 2 generations, Holder and others with his belief will have much to answer for in the history books. Just as the people that sought to perpetuate Jim Crow have been savaged by history, Holder’s turn will come.
In an age when Obama’s race mattered less than JFK’s religion, Holder is stuck in the past. Holder doesn’t know it, but blacks will reject his silly views in his lifetime.
David S -You’re a fascist……
If Bush were a minority he would have been exactly like that character played so brilliantly by Dave Chappel, “Black Bush”. One of my favorite comedy routines of all time. “Iraq? Iraq? It ain’t about Iraq, it’s about Mars, bitches, Mars. M-A-R-S, Mars!” Classic.
I peace on you.
Last word for the good guys!!!!!!!!!!!!
I apologize for such a long post, but the arguments that Mr. Holder raised need honest, scientifically and rationally reasoned debate.
“You Samoans are all the same. You have no faith in the essential decency of the white man’s culture.” Hunter S. Thompson.
The golden age of “melting pot” America is long passed. Very few “melt” anymore.
The Mexicans come here and bring their “culture”, language, and ideals with them. Most don’t assimilate and become Americans. They don’t even have the wherewithal to learn English and therefore they automatically force themselves into the underclass. They’re much more likely to be criminals according to our justice code.
The black folks create their own culture here. I tend to think of it as “lack culture” (just remove the “b”.) I suppose “white english” isn’t good enough for the black folks, so they create “ebonics.” A fairly good portion of the whole ebonics idiom comes from the book, “Huckleberry Finn.” (If you haven’t read it lately, then you’re past due!)
If one will just look at the cultures and environments which races different from whites have evolved within, I believe that one can make sweeping generalizations about the genetic nature of the differences in the races. I’m not an evolutionary biologist. I’m not a racist either. But I make observations that have been learned from experience.
To truly come face to face with what white America is dealing with, we need to explore the issue with a firm hand on science and a firm grip on statistics and with an eye on pop culture. Furthermore, we must not exclude any of the relevant “prejudices” that we, as humans, have come to realize as fact. Let’s face it: a prejudice is held when a person has either experienced or been told of a wrong done by someone else of a different race or culture or even of a different class.
Let us take the continent of Africa as an example. This continent is the poorest and most violent in the entire world. Wars have raged there from the beginning of humanity and will always rage there regardless of government or civilization. It’s not for any reason other than the warlike attitudes of black men, in general. A country in Africa, Liberia, was formed from freed slaves from America in 1847. The capital is Monrovia (named after James Monroe.) (Look at the wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberia.) Even though a “Western” system of government was placed in power, many wars have been waged since the founding of Liberia. President Charles Taylor wreaked havoc on the entire country with civil wars for over a decade.
Black women are much more likely than white women to have a child without being married to the father of the child (about 70% to about 25% in America). The reason for this is genetic. In Africa, children are more expendable than in most other cultures and are much less likely to survive to adulthood and pass their genetic material on. Therefore, black men have a great genetic impetus to have as many children as they can with as many women as they can because of the low survivability of each child. If one considers the main reasons for child mortality in Africa (famine, disease, and war) one can more fully understand the reasons behind precocious black sexuality. Have a look for yourself at rap or hip hop videos today as proof that black culture has not evolved since the preindustrial age. Seemingly, all of the videos are sex-based. Most seem denigrate the position of women in society. Most seem to be rebellious. Most seem to concern lawbreaking behavior and the promotion thereof. These videos are a modern-day affirmation of the fact that blacks have been genetically predetermined to be more violent, have more illegitimate babies, and seem to desire anarchy more than their white counterparts.
With consideration to the climate of northern Europe where white people evolved, one can see many differences concerning the value of children and of the value of violence. In these Northern communities, fewer children were more of a blessing than a curse. Fatherhood was greatly encouraged by the fact that all environmental pressures were much tougher. The fathers that raised their children to adulthood were much more likely to pass their genetics on through their offspring in such a trying climate than they were if they cast their seed randomly and abandoned the mother and the child. With the much harsher winters and shorter growing seasons, much less produce could be stored for the harsher months. An extra mouth to feed in the winter was a far more difficult proposition when compared to the warmer environment of Africa. In Europe, intelligence was greatly valued because it led to survivability. In Africa, physical size and the ability to defeat opponents for mating was the greater impetus.
I mean no offense to anyone, but just looking at our nearest relatives (great apes) and having an eye directed toward evolutionary biology would serve us all well in a discussion about racial differences. I’m not comparing black folks to apes, by the way! I’m comparing all human societies to the societies that the great apes have.
regards
95. silversurfer: I peace on you.
Excellent! It’s like the old thing that the Muslims say to each other: “Piss be upon you.”
Be quiet, Honest John! Otherwise David S is gonna call you a RAY-SIST!
Wonderful use of statistics, BTW. The 0bama drone contingent here can whine and moan, but they can’t refute the math.
Fred
learn how to spell. learning how to think is clearly above your pay grade.
Honest John: you can’t be serious, so you either have to be a troll provoking people or–I guess if you are serious–in need of some help. Put down those pork rinds and hear me out:
We are lucky to have mexican immigrants who work hard, have kids (since whites seem to want to hold at that 1.2 or less level), serve in the armed forces and are all around good people. The fact that we let in too many and haven’t asimilated them as well as before is due to welfare benefits etc that are available now and weren’t before the 60′s. Its our fault not their fault they’re hanging on to the old ways longer.
But count your blessings: we could have the immigration problems of France or Britain. Be grateful we have Mexico and Canada on the borders. Who supported a proposal to teach english to kids with full immersion and no waiting? In LA 70% of the hispanic families did–opposing the “better view” of the LA Times and the “professional educators”.
Blacks in the US are about the best minority a country could have: in WWII, despite conditions, they tried to enlist in great numbers; when prevented from fighting they complained–they complained–until they got into some units. They drove the red ball trucks to supply forward armies in such numbers and around the clock that even the Germans were trying to figure our how the US did it. Like citizens trying to become part of Rome, they pushed for more rights inside the system: you won’t find many- if any- black traitors to the US.
The smoothering views of liberal whites and blacks that endorse a victim mentality is not the future and it wasn’t the past until sociologists, legislators and professors insisted that we disregard common sense and “compensate” for the past by suspending common rules. (And let’s be fair-that view found fertile soil because of a bunch of southern whites in sheets that lived too long and contaminated the 20th century for the rest of us).
In the process we undermined all US blacks that played by the rules, just as the mortgage bailout threatens to reward a lot of poor judgment and penalize diligence. Before liberal welfare rules helped to decimate the black family (as noted as early as 1965), the black family was stable, its parents employed and even more socially conservative than now.
Your piece is frankly, either a joke or the kind of thing that makes other hhites realize that blacks aren’t making it up when they say there are still racists around.
I think you give AG Holder too much credit.
Your conclusion, that his comments might provoke a genuine discussion about the real discrimination demonstrated in the name of diversity, would be anathema to Holder and others of his ilk.
When I have discussed this with the few minority friends and colleagues with whom I feel comfortable with such discussions, they rally don’t mind that diversity, AA, and other efforts might result in reverse discrimination.
They’ll first offer objections to that characterization, of course, and only grudgingly accept that when some gets preferential treatment, others are discriminated against.
But always, they end up the discussion with a shrug, and suggest that we’d need many generations of that kind of discrimination to make up for what minorities used to suffer.
Call it Reparation by Discrimination. And beneficiaries like Obama and Holder know how the game is played.
#93 DAVID S(Stalinist):”keep your racist comments to yourself” . “Where’s the peace,love and tolerance you so hypocritically profess Dave? Both Holder and the big O, are mediocre,race baiting thugs,promoted way above their competence;in the case of Obama(Hugo Chavez wannabee),nothing more than a laundered,Al Sharpton,after a Watkins diet,with an affirmative action,Ivy school degree.Holder was the Clinton’s administration’s “boy”, eagerly doing the dirty bidding of the Clinton’s by pardoning terrorists, tax cheats,and drug dealers who could be useful to them.In other posts, you support the reimposition of the fairness doctrine, no wonder!Self righteously bleeting “racism”,everytime you disagree with someone,has become stale stale and ineffective. BTW,if Bush had been born Black, he may have turned out a homeless,alcoholic vagrant,which is still far better than A Marxoid messiah,and his thuggish henchman. Excrement
The best solution is to discriminate against white people where ever possible. If we can discriminate against whites with the same intensity that was applied to blacks in housing, education, jobs, contracts, elected office, etc, for another 150 years, then we might get close to things being equal. Nothing we say or do to discontinue discriminating against blacks can undo 400 years of terrorism and oppression. A lot of evil was practiced in this country to get to where we are today. It’s bad enough when whites claim reverse discrimination, it’s even worse when they avoid admitting that blacks were unfairly and systematically removed from mainstream American for centuries, and that something has to be done to even the playing field and right those past injustices. So yes, Holder was right, America needs to talk more about this. Your piece didn’t offer any solutions, only complaints, that’s usually the case with racists.
JackT…cling to that victimhood. It will sever you well.
BTW there really are not any solutions until you as a race decide just what your values are. It is obvious you reject those of white America.
“It is obvious you reject those of white America.”
There is no such thing as “white America.” Only the United States of America. And if you look at our history objectively, yuo can see a lot of racism. Holder is right in that we are a nation of cowards in not confronting this in ourselves, regardless of race.
Oh please Jack T: with Obama in the white house, the air is out of that balloon. You sound like an ex-wife that wants more alimony and won’t get a job.
I’ll make sure to tell the next boatload of Asians that don’t speak english, the chinese that were treated rather roughly in the US, amputees from WWII and the mexican kids in LA studying day and night how tough you have it. The solution? Stop complaining and get to work. The decades of mau-mauing the whites is over.
103. JackT wrote:
Nothing we say or do to discontinue discriminating against blacks can undo 400 years of terrorism and oppression.
Peter writes: Sorry, but neither I nor any member of MY family have either terrorized or oppressed anyone, so don’t come looking to me to solve anyone’s continued and unnecessary feelings of persecution.
#103 JackT:
“Nothing we say or do to discontinue discriminating against blacks can undo 400 years of terrorism and oppression.”
Really? Okay.
So why should we even try?
You know where the door is…don;t let it hit you in the behind on your way out…
You know that your kind of attitude is holding us all back, right?
Too bad for you that it’s holding back some more than others.
#103 JackT:
“Nothing we say or do to discontinue discriminating against blacks can undo 400 years of terrorism and oppression.”
Hell–I had no idea that there were still people around who were 400 years old.
Claiming that you are oppressed because of what was done to your long dead ancestors is as bogus as holding somebody responsible for the crimes of their father.
Why don’t we try putting this into practice and start rounding up everyone whose father or grandfather committed a felony (black, white, or whatever) and hang every one of them?
Barbaric and stupid? You bet. Now run the same analysis over the institution known as affirmative action—-
The one time I brought up race with a black colleague, trying to have a conversation about better communication, I got written up and sanctioned for it. Seems that in corporate America, even NOTICING that someone is black can result in a white employee being punished. You can bet that I will never have a discussion about race with anyone in my company again, except for the private conversations I have with my coworker-friends when we complain about the performance of the “diversity” hires. Bring it up with the company? Not in this lifetime.
Why are Fred, OOYO, DavidS & Jack T here? They are the NeoLeft, the Library Socialist/Mole become Activist, the Thought Minders, the foot soldiers of a New Utopia, the Useful Tools called forth for the final battle. This New Red infiltration of all free modes of discussion were recruited during the runup to the 2008 elections and have been redeployed as disrupters of all the remaining avenues of disention and free discussion.
The Holden comment is an intended to inflame the discussion of race….perfect Alinsky move….we must awake ourselves and our fellow patriots to this insidious process.
They make things worse: President Obama says we face disaster, or at least a grave crisis. And now here comes his new Attorney General to call us cowards.
Never mind that Roosevelt, our sainted leader in the depths of the Great Depression, claimed we had nothing to fear but fear itself. But then, what did he know? He was a rich white guy.
Uh, oh. I’ve stumbled again into the briar patch of our black and white world. Writing about race, even if in jest, can get you in hot water in no time flat.
Jack T Your post demonstrates, that one does not have to have tertiary syphillis,to write as if they had.You are a walking demonstration of what a lifetime of attendance to the liberal school of resentment can do to the human mind.Remember: another word for victim is “LOSER”.
Who is the clown posting as “Fred”? The Fred that usually posts here is thoughtful and intelligent. This new “Fred” appears to be somewhat of an idiot.
Fred No 2, are you one of the regular trolls pretending to be Fred No 1? If so, are you so dense to think you are fooling anyone?
#114 Little Banana:Fred is really Jack T.(#103) same manure,different sack.
Pretty soon, the real meaning of “diversity” will surface:
Line up white males against a wall and machine-gun them.
Hi, All! Have been enjoying reading the discussion up until Jack T. and his wannabe-sinister-comment. I’ve lived in rural Georgia for thirty years where I associate only with those who have overcome the infectious poison you and your kind spew . . .We don’t play your (attempt at) fear-injecting games and you would be surprised, NO DOUBT, at how many of the blacks here are ashamed of attitudes like yours. In the deep south, where the worst is assumed! A (black) friend told me in December that there were many in her circle who admitted to voting solely on race for YourOne and were, LESS THAN A MONTH LATER, bitterly sorry, and felt as if they were coming out of a stupor.(?) Another (black) friend told me two weeks ago how sickened he is by YourOne’s performance, Jack T., and obvious socialist/marxist/commie/backward anti-American agenda. He went on a tirade against those who farm out their children’s identity info b/c the gov’t only allows them to claim two for welfare benefits. He is especially disgusted with one female who brags that she claims two, her boyfriend claims two and someone else, whom SHE PAYS with STOLEN TAX MONEY, claims the other two. That’s six children, learning to work the system b/c of WHAT??? LOW-DOWN SORRINESS!!! I do not respect you, nor anyone like you, as qualified to think yet, Jack T. Quit griping and do something worthwhile.
Here’s a link to a respectable website that will enlighten you, Fred, OOYO, and your other little friends who need facts that aren’t revised editions. The site has essays written by Elizabeth Wright, Thomas Sowell, and others who take pride in THEIR PERSONAL abilities and contributions.
http://www.issues-views.com/index.php/sect/1006/article/1091
btw, they also address affirmative action, reparations and other disgraces, but the above link takes you to an article about blacks who were slaveowners (in the US, not the ones who sold the slaves to be brought here). . .since you seem to have a long-worn-out issue there. Affirmative action was NOT intended to be guided by quotas but, like gov’t programs do, they get out of hand, out-of-context and the non-thinkers bully in. As far as reparations, that’s the most insane robbery ever suggested. Someone told me about 15 years ago that the US would be in another civil war and I thought it was not-quite-preposterous-but-almost?? YourOne may indeed be the one to facilitate such a hostile environment. . .
And a story about Davy Crockett’s address to Congress on matters of largesse: http://www.theadvocates.org/library/christian-crockett.html
This is really disconcerting. . .but y’all are very entertaining and intelligent! Thank you for making my first visit so valuable.
My Mama gave me a plaque when I was a youngster with this simple phrase:
“God gives every bird its food but does not throw it into the nest.” She would be proud for it to be my signature!
@75. Honest Jon:
Nope. At least you admit your “study” is not scientific. Try correcting that data based on income levels and educational achievement – you might be surprised that poverty is a better fit than race when you look at crime stats.
Maybe not, but you are clearly afraid to look at the actual causes of crime.
Peace.
DS
118. David S:
The statistics don’t lie. The underlying reasons, no doubt are poverty and lack of education. So, if you were going to start up a business, would you pick a safer area or a more dangerous one to do so? Note: high crime rates are, in general, bad for business. So business owners generally won’t start a business in high-crime neighborhoods. Can you blame them?
50% of all blacks drop out of high school-no education leads to a life of poverty/crime.
70% of all black kids are born without the mother and father being married-single parenthood leads to poverty.
58% of all murders are committed by blacks. Can you explain this? 12 percent of the population responsible for 58% of all murders?
regards
David; Go live in an inner city project.Rid us of your stupidity.Reality.
it is time for ALL AMERICANS TO get on THE AMERICAN SHIP NO MATTER WHERE THEIR ANCESTORS CAME FROM! America is broke, people (some of all of us) are out of work; we have president who lied to us about shovel ready jobs so he could get his stimulus bill passed and it is not even to help the 14 million Americans out of work! Eric Holder just took everyone a step backwards when we did not need it!