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		<title>By: arthritis pain relief &#124; foods to lower cholesterol</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/hillarys-done-but-universal-health-care-proposals-live-on/#comment-105452</link>
		<dc:creator>arthritis pain relief &#124; foods to lower cholesterol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 03:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but there&#039;s free medicine in US right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but there&#8217;s free medicine in US right?</p>
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		<title>By: ProgMeister</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProgMeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;To see how unwieldy, inefficient, and problematic socialized medicine can be — just look north to Canada.&lt;/b&gt;

And to see how unwieldy, inefficient, and problematic non-competitive medicine IS — just look out your back door.  In an efficient economy 95-98% of the population can and does pay for necessities like medicine and education out of pocket and as-you-go ... we are nowhere close to that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>To see how unwieldy, inefficient, and problematic socialized medicine can be — just look north to Canada.</b></p>
<p>And to see how unwieldy, inefficient, and problematic non-competitive medicine IS — just look out your back door.  In an efficient economy 95-98% of the population can and does pay for necessities like medicine and education out of pocket and as-you-go &#8230; we are nowhere close to that</p>
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		<title>By: Judy, NYC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy, NYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 03:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>while congress voted themselves free medical coverage, dental, too (only because they need it for close ups on meet the press), it will probably make them as miserable as the canadians and the french. as for the rest of us, we won&#039;t have to pay more taxes to the government, we can just continue to pay it directly to the insurance companies. happily, they do a heck of a job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>while congress voted themselves free medical coverage, dental, too (only because they need it for close ups on meet the press), it will probably make them as miserable as the canadians and the french. as for the rest of us, we won&#8217;t have to pay more taxes to the government, we can just continue to pay it directly to the insurance companies. happily, they do a heck of a job.</p>
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		<title>By: cjg of eroticalee</title>
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		<dc:creator>cjg of eroticalee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 00:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another interesting little piece of info on our wonderful system up here.Some where between 5 and 6 million Canadians no longer have access to a family doctor.I&#039;m hoping a hell of a lot more Canadian doctors would come back Mr Rosenberg.My own doctor struggles with a caseload of over a 1000.I believe I read not long ago we could use around 25,000 new doctors across this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another interesting little piece of info on our wonderful system up here.Some where between 5 and 6 million Canadians no longer have access to a family doctor.I&#8217;m hoping a hell of a lot more Canadian doctors would come back Mr Rosenberg.My own doctor struggles with a caseload of over a 1000.I believe I read not long ago we could use around 25,000 new doctors across this country.</p>
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		<title>By: goy</title>
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		<dc:creator>goy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jim. And I&#039;m sorry, I hope I didn&#039;t leave the impression that I was questioning the veracity of your account. The system in France has seemed onerous from what I&#039;ve heard, but I&#039;ve never heard of anything as outrageous as someone being effectively imprisoned in their own home by their own government. 

And yes, this - and much more - seems like precisely the sort of thing we can look forward to once the federal government has been &quot;elected&quot; to control our access to health care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jim. And I&#8217;m sorry, I hope I didn&#8217;t leave the impression that I was questioning the veracity of your account. The system in France has seemed onerous from what I&#8217;ve heard, but I&#8217;ve never heard of anything as outrageous as someone being effectively imprisoned in their own home by their own government. </p>
<p>And yes, this &#8211; and much more &#8211; seems like precisely the sort of thing we can look forward to once the federal government has been &#8220;elected&#8221; to control our access to health care.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim, Saratoga Calif</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim, Saratoga Calif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 06:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goy, the story is true in every detail, and the restrictions placed on my friend are as he explained them to me. I wrote this piece because, like you, I found such a loss of freedom unbelievable and I wanted to show how restrictive, and controlling a socialized system can be. I need to also say that I was shocked at his acceptance of his loss of freedom.  

To your questions.

I have no knowledge of any other French national being in that particular circumstance, so I can&#039;t speak to how often it happens. He spoke to me about the restrictions as matter of fact, so I must assume it&#039;s pretty standard. 

As to justification, I also assume, although I did not ask, that the government is trying to control fraudulent claims. From many previous visits to his home, I have gotten an insight into the French attitude of getting the most from the government. On several occasions he had work done in his home by someone who was on unemployment but working &quot;in the black&quot; to use my friends term. Fraud in unemployment is rampant and I guess it&#039;s the same with medical disabilities.

To my knowledge, he was on this &quot;house arrest&quot; for several months. At least until the Social Security (same term we use) was satisfied he wasn&#039;t faking his condition. The whole situation was not something I felt was polite of me to keep bringing up, so I didn&#039;t. He didn&#039;t tell me about his restriction until I arrived and wanted him to come with me to visit the Normandy beaches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goy, the story is true in every detail, and the restrictions placed on my friend are as he explained them to me. I wrote this piece because, like you, I found such a loss of freedom unbelievable and I wanted to show how restrictive, and controlling a socialized system can be. I need to also say that I was shocked at his acceptance of his loss of freedom.  </p>
<p>To your questions.</p>
<p>I have no knowledge of any other French national being in that particular circumstance, so I can&#8217;t speak to how often it happens. He spoke to me about the restrictions as matter of fact, so I must assume it&#8217;s pretty standard. </p>
<p>As to justification, I also assume, although I did not ask, that the government is trying to control fraudulent claims. From many previous visits to his home, I have gotten an insight into the French attitude of getting the most from the government. On several occasions he had work done in his home by someone who was on unemployment but working &#8220;in the black&#8221; to use my friends term. Fraud in unemployment is rampant and I guess it&#8217;s the same with medical disabilities.</p>
<p>To my knowledge, he was on this &#8220;house arrest&#8221; for several months. At least until the Social Security (same term we use) was satisfied he wasn&#8217;t faking his condition. The whole situation was not something I felt was polite of me to keep bringing up, so I didn&#8217;t. He didn&#8217;t tell me about his restriction until I arrived and wanted him to come with me to visit the Normandy beaches.</p>
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		<title>By: goy</title>
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		<dc:creator>goy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 02:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, I can really hardly believe this story. How often does this sort of thing happen, and is it still the policy? What exactly was the government&#039;s justification for keeping him locked up at home? And how long did this go on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, I can really hardly believe this story. How often does this sort of thing happen, and is it still the policy? What exactly was the government&#8217;s justification for keeping him locked up at home? And how long did this go on?</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Canuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have &quot;universal Healthcare&quot; in Canada and people complain meekly because coverage is &quot;free&quot; (paid thru taxes). But 43% of all gov&#039;t expenditures are going to health care and the system is demanding 10% more money every single year. It is unsustainable. People quietly put up with ridiculous wait times first to see specialists, then wait for the surgery for many more months and months. Only basic basic medical is covered now for individual Canadians. More and more medical is quietly becoming user -pay as you go. Blood tests, physio, drugs, eye tests etc etc. We are so programmed about our perfect health system by the paranoid socialist doctrine that we&#039;ve all been fed over the years, that we are paralyzed to change it for fear of the dreaded for-profit takeover. Despite Canada being ranked 30th in most categories by the World Health Org WHO Canadian politicians still tell us that we have the Best Medical system in the world. It would be funny if it were not so sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have &#8220;universal Healthcare&#8221; in Canada and people complain meekly because coverage is &#8220;free&#8221; (paid thru taxes). But 43% of all gov&#8217;t expenditures are going to health care and the system is demanding 10% more money every single year. It is unsustainable. People quietly put up with ridiculous wait times first to see specialists, then wait for the surgery for many more months and months. Only basic basic medical is covered now for individual Canadians. More and more medical is quietly becoming user -pay as you go. Blood tests, physio, drugs, eye tests etc etc. We are so programmed about our perfect health system by the paranoid socialist doctrine that we&#8217;ve all been fed over the years, that we are paralyzed to change it for fear of the dreaded for-profit takeover. Despite Canada being ranked 30th in most categories by the World Health Org WHO Canadian politicians still tell us that we have the Best Medical system in the world. It would be funny if it were not so sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim, Saratoga Calif</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim, Saratoga Calif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an excellent, on the money discussion by Rebecca, goy and everyone. I have what I think is a unique story, in that most Americans don&#039;t see an up close and personal experience with the much vaunted French system, that I&#039;d like to share that makes me fear socialized medicine.
 
I have a French friend who is, &quot;was&quot; since he can&#039;t practice anymore, a well respected dentist in Boulogne sur mer France. He had a vascular blockage in his left leg that required surgery. The surgery was botched, and required an additional surgery to repair the damage. He was unable to work for several months and was on some sort of full disability. 

I visited him during this time and was shocked to learn he was restricted to his home for 20 hours a day by the government. He could go out for two hours in the morning (10:00 to 12:00) and in the afternoon (2:00 to 4:00). A prisoner the rest of the time. I asked him how did &quot;they&quot; check on him, and evidently it&#039;s first a phone call and If you don&#039;t answer &quot;they&quot; can come directly to your home. The consequences if you&#039;re not home? &quot;I would loose ALL my benefits!&quot; That meant his supplemental income as well as his health care.

I had planned to visit the WWll beaches at Normandy and the only way for him to join me, since it was an overnight trip, was to get a permission document from his doctor. We then had to take the permission to the Social Security office to get permission from that agency. As a recreational trip was not justifiable to the government, he fabricated some reason for going other than joining a friend from the States on a holiday. As I sat waiting in his car, literally hiding from any official that might raise questions about a foreigner visiting him, he visited each of the necessary offices. It was probably our intended destination, and thoughts WWll, that brought the Gestapo to mind. What a circle of events that I was just a few hours away from the place that represented the beginning of the freeing of France, and here, in 2005, this Frenchman literally lost his freedom in order to maintain his healthcare benefits. 

Such draconian measures clearly show how far wrong social systems can go. As goy so accurately points out, &quot;Hillary, et al., know that once the People put the state in control of their health care, everything else will fall into line - at least from the standpoint of a government which seeks ever more control over the People it purports to serve.&quot;

Oh, by the way, don&#039;t forget the actual name of the Nazi party. &quot;National Socialist German Worker&#039;s Party&quot;. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an excellent, on the money discussion by Rebecca, goy and everyone. I have what I think is a unique story, in that most Americans don&#8217;t see an up close and personal experience with the much vaunted French system, that I&#8217;d like to share that makes me fear socialized medicine.</p>
<p>I have a French friend who is, &#8220;was&#8221; since he can&#8217;t practice anymore, a well respected dentist in Boulogne sur mer France. He had a vascular blockage in his left leg that required surgery. The surgery was botched, and required an additional surgery to repair the damage. He was unable to work for several months and was on some sort of full disability. </p>
<p>I visited him during this time and was shocked to learn he was restricted to his home for 20 hours a day by the government. He could go out for two hours in the morning (10:00 to 12:00) and in the afternoon (2:00 to 4:00). A prisoner the rest of the time. I asked him how did &#8220;they&#8221; check on him, and evidently it&#8217;s first a phone call and If you don&#8217;t answer &#8220;they&#8221; can come directly to your home. The consequences if you&#8217;re not home? &#8220;I would loose ALL my benefits!&#8221; That meant his supplemental income as well as his health care.</p>
<p>I had planned to visit the WWll beaches at Normandy and the only way for him to join me, since it was an overnight trip, was to get a permission document from his doctor. We then had to take the permission to the Social Security office to get permission from that agency. As a recreational trip was not justifiable to the government, he fabricated some reason for going other than joining a friend from the States on a holiday. As I sat waiting in his car, literally hiding from any official that might raise questions about a foreigner visiting him, he visited each of the necessary offices. It was probably our intended destination, and thoughts WWll, that brought the Gestapo to mind. What a circle of events that I was just a few hours away from the place that represented the beginning of the freeing of France, and here, in 2005, this Frenchman literally lost his freedom in order to maintain his healthcare benefits. </p>
<p>Such draconian measures clearly show how far wrong social systems can go. As goy so accurately points out, &#8220;Hillary, et al., know that once the People put the state in control of their health care, everything else will fall into line &#8211; at least from the standpoint of a government which seeks ever more control over the People it purports to serve.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, by the way, don&#8217;t forget the actual name of the Nazi party. &#8220;National Socialist German Worker&#8217;s Party&#8221;.<br />
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		<title>By: Larry J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much would our car insurance cost if it covered every automotive expense such as fill-ups, tune-ups, paint jobs, etc.? Clearly, this is absurd but so is the notion that health insurance has to cover just about every imaginable medical expense. There is little or no incentive for private individuals to lower medical expenses because with insurance, &quot;someone else&quot; is paying the bills. And then people complain that health insurance is so expensive.

I lived under government ran health care when I was in the military. If at all possible, I don&#039;t want to go there again. The Democrats keep saying that over 40 million Americans lack health insurance (an inflated number). So, if that&#039;s the case, why no write legislation that addresses those who are uninsured instead of trying to drag everyone into a government ran program? They&#039;ve done a lousy job with Medicare and Medicaid but somehow think they&#039;re capable of handling the health care of over 300 million people? Absurd. Tell you what - make Medicare and Medicaid examples of shining efficiency and quality care. Make them so good that people will look forward to being insured by the government. Once you&#039;ve done that, we can discuss letting you manage health care for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much would our car insurance cost if it covered every automotive expense such as fill-ups, tune-ups, paint jobs, etc.? Clearly, this is absurd but so is the notion that health insurance has to cover just about every imaginable medical expense. There is little or no incentive for private individuals to lower medical expenses because with insurance, &#8220;someone else&#8221; is paying the bills. And then people complain that health insurance is so expensive.</p>
<p>I lived under government ran health care when I was in the military. If at all possible, I don&#8217;t want to go there again. The Democrats keep saying that over 40 million Americans lack health insurance (an inflated number). So, if that&#8217;s the case, why no write legislation that addresses those who are uninsured instead of trying to drag everyone into a government ran program? They&#8217;ve done a lousy job with Medicare and Medicaid but somehow think they&#8217;re capable of handling the health care of over 300 million people? Absurd. Tell you what &#8211; make Medicare and Medicaid examples of shining efficiency and quality care. Make them so good that people will look forward to being insured by the government. Once you&#8217;ve done that, we can discuss letting you manage health care for everyone.</p>
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