And polls-a wide variety of them-now show abortion support at less than 50% of Americans. They’re waking up to what it really is.

Thank you for stating the crux of the anti-choice argument so succinctly.

Most Americans would disagree with your statement, which is the fundamental reason Roe has stood for 36 years and Griswold has stood for 44 years without being seriously challenged despite the Court having had many opportunities to re-visit the issues. Americans like to be the only ones who decide when and how they have children.

Let me put this another way: if Roe were overturned and the Court were to declare that the government is free to regulate the most intimate activities of our personal lives, there would be nothing stopping states from legislating the number of children you are allowed to have, or forcing the abortion of children with birth defects, or children of the wrong gender. You could have been “momof2″ or “momof1″ if it were up to somebody else to decide how many children you were allowed to have. Is that what you want? Because that would be quite possible.

What a person’s really saying, when they say they’d choose to raise the kid they’ve already given birth to, is that they love their firstborn the most, and each following child a little less. Enough less, in fact, that the mom would kill that child rather than not be around to raise the preceeding child. Strange. Just stop having kids, if that’s the case.

Also, a mother crocodile will die fighting to defend her nest. Eggs-not hatched yet even. Shouldn’t we strive to be a little better than reptiles in our parenting? Protecting one’s offspring is written in the genes-the term mother grizzly didn’t get famous for ferocity for nothing!

Anyone who thinks they have any privacy anyway is seriously misled. If you use a cell or cordless phone, the details of your life are all out there for anyone who cares to listen. Ditto the internet.

Lynn, I’m glad we’re closer on the issue than I thought. Thank you. I’ve never (other my own personal opinion for myself) said a woman who literally has to abort or die should have to die legally. I merely think it’s absurd to keep holding up a woman’s health as a reason to allow abortion in general, when it’s such an impossibly small segment of the abortions done.

I also don’t really understand the whole putting-the-kids-you-already-birthed-first thing. I can’t imagine that knowing mommy killed my little brother to save her life would be good for a kid. It would lead to “what if I’d threatened her life” questions. I think knowing mom puts her kids first is better. But, I also think people should have a plan of what will happen to the kids if they die thought out BEFORE they breed. Had I died with the last pregnancy, DH would have made sure they grew up knowing mommy would have given her life to save you if needed, just like she would for your siblings.

My mom counsels at a crisis pregnancy center. The key to saving the baby (they do have to present abortion as an unbiased option) is to make it all about the mom. How is she doing, how can they help her. If you make it baby focused, you’ll lose the baby.

http://www.guttmacher.org/statecenter/spibs/spib_OAL.pdf

Interesting use of the word government ‘children’.

I was trying to counter Blarts statement that the state had no interest in the pre-viable human life.

Please note that I didn’t say the state has NO interest; it does. The Court simply found that, before the fetus can live on its own outside the womb, the state’s interest does not outweigh the mother’s right to privacy – the right to control her own body. It is the state’s legitimate interest in the fetus that allows it to regulate abortion AFTER viability.

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And where is this right again in the Constitution? Oh, that’s right, SCOTUS made it up out of whole cloth.

The right of privacy was first officially established in Griswold v. Connecticut, although Justice Brandeis had written influentially on the topic a century before. Ironically, although it is decried by modern “conservatives,” recognition of the right of privacy limits the power of government to intrude in our personal lives. That’s why true Goldwater-style conservatives (to the extent they still exist) tend to keep their opinions on Roe to themselves, while their big-government children scream for the government to have more intrusive power over the most intimate areas of our lives.